psyker-class

[gritty tapir]

Also my Psyker loves staring at the camera in almost every loading screen.

Some The Office shit right there.

[safe monolith]

so do it

I*

[boreal crag]

Psykers are aware of the 4th wall

[safe monolith]

psyker named Jim Halpert

[gritty tapir]

They LIVE in the 4th wall.

[safe monolith]

psyker named Deadpool

[gritty tapir]

Named mine Eisenhorn. Woulda been Dave otherwise.

Dave the Psyker.

[safe monolith]

funny i immediately thought of the "meet dave" movie

[gritty tapir]

Vet is Gaunt, Zealot is Kaldor.

Ogryn is Chonk, obviously.

[safe monolith]

with a bunch of tiny people driving a robot that looked like a person

very on brand for a psyker

[gritty tapir]

I'm glad I chose the mad german voice for mine.

The Beloved one would get on my nerves.

[fallow falcon]

What should I do to improve this thing? Change both perks or one perk and blessing?

[safe monolith]

i chose the jamaican voice

but im white

[dim parrot]

same

the other voices were 2 high imo

[safe monolith]

he seems the most stable (relatively)

theres a female voice that is also pretty sane

my psyker and that one had an almost normal conversation

[gritty tapir]

Why would you want a sane Psyker?

[safe monolith]

because a sane psyker is the clearest proof that something is wrong with them

on a fundamental level

if you can see the horrors of the warp and not go insane, im scared of you

[gritty tapir]

I think mine went insane, then sane, then insane again in a big loop.

[dim parrot]

the calm ones are usually the most scary

[safe monolith]

^

[ornate hamlet]

Loner > all

He knows what's up

[gritty tapir]

Beloved is the worst though.

[safe monolith]

^

[gritty tapir]

Cadian Vet is the best vet.

Sah! is the best Ogryn.

[safe monolith]

like bro, stop being MORE schizophrenic than most

[gritty tapir]

Blood for the golden throne is best Zealot.

[safe monolith]

yeah thats mine

my zealot has that voice

[gritty tapir]

Initially I made the old dude from Tekken, but then I swapped to Kaldor.

They had to have known what people would do with THAT haircut.

[safe monolith]

playing lego star wars 3, the clone wars while having this conversation

[austere burrow]

I've seen like 5 heihachis

[gritty tapir]

Yeah.

I haven't seen any other Eisenhorn's yet.

[patent steeple]

I run Beloved Psyker because I made the mistake of picking it during character selection and I am too lazy to make a new psyker...

[gritty tapir]

Let's be real though.

Ogryn's have the best naming sense.

Pretty much all of them GET it.

They read the assignment, then ate it.

[untold veldt]

I do wish Male Veteran had more options than just Bri'ish.

[safe monolith]

a friend of mine said he got a voice line for ogryn, the ogryn apologized after a veteran made a comment about him eating grenades

[untold veldt]

That's my only gripe about the Vet voices -- they're great otherwise (in fact all of the voice options for most of the classes are great)

[olive ember]

I mean loose cannon ain’t British

Professional is great

Cadian is annoying

Loose cannon is eh

[gritty tapir]

I liked Cadian, but he's a prick to Ogryns, which is a negative.

Then again, he's a prick to everyone. That's kinda Cadians in a nutshell.

[crisp yacht]

Maniac and flak are usually good on most melee weapons. Crit chance perk also good.

Not sure what the meta blessings are but riposte is good. Too bad it's tier one.

With only being able to change 2 things I'd probably change perks to maniac/crit. But take it with a grain of salt I've only been back on the game again for the past week.

[olive ember]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1hV9Lt8Qb4i4qz/d1337fwrwY2i?invite=cr-MSw0ekwsMTkwNTkwNTA4LA

[gritty tapir]

Pretty much.

I kinda enjoy how much of a shithead he is. Sometimes.

[untold veldt]

It sounds like Northern england to me -- but maybe I'm wrong?

[gritty tapir]

Got mine to 30 on release.

[fallow falcon]

Uncanny Strike is extremely good on the weapons that can roll it atm

[boreal crag]

What is Scrier’s Gaze good for btw?
I’ve tried it but it seems to just build up Peril way too quickly and not get any benefit, especially since I have to spent most of it venting

[patent steeple]

gun psyker, I guess

[boreal crag]

I didn’t think gun Psyker would be a thing if melee isn’t

[limber heath]

gun psyker is just a normal psyker with a gun for specific targets, its not a psyker that only uses a gun.

[woeful patio]

^

Scrier with revolver works okay

[boreal crag]

So you use it with Assail?

[untold veldt]

I found it pretty good with Assail

and with a dueling sword

[limber heath]

assail is probably the least dangerous. smite deals no damage and builds way too fast and BB probably won't get any meaningful breakpoints with it

[gritty tapir]

I think you can use it at 100% peril for the 10 second buff, but then you have to vent before you can make use of it kinda.

At least Smite can't make you explode.

[limber heath]

as mentioned though you can just not use warp abilities when its active and its fine.

[lofty temple]

It can

I've done it...

[untold veldt]

You can just vent the peril though and keep it on

It's not too hard to stay on top of IMO

ESP if you take the node that reduces peril generation

[limber heath]

does smite stay active while you vent... 😕

haven't really used smite much i only touch BB and assail aside from trying it first so maybe i'm missing something

[untold veldt]

I don't think Scrier is really usable with smite tbh

smite just generates too much peril too fast

I'll have to test it though

[boreal crag]

Would Gaze be good on a melee focused play-style?

I only seem to like gun focused builds on Ogryn lol

[lofty temple]

You need to reach Inner Tranquility if you wish to Smite your foes efficiently

[untold veldt]

I've been liking Smite with venting shriek and all the fire talents

w/ a surge staff and w/e for melee

[boreal crag]

Soul Blaze has been my go too build
I’m just also looking to make a melee build work too

[slow raven]

it's not a good combo, but it has a slight benefit of smite being the only warp attack that wont kill you, which makes it a lot safer to use during scriers gaze

but overall i wouldnt use those together

[untold veldt]

Yeah, but I think if you reach 100% in scrier's anyways you don't explode

[long wharf]

Smite+SG is like upgrading from throwing marshmallows to throwing stale marshmallows

[untold veldt]

I mean Smite is there to CC stuff, not kill (although IMO it should be there to kill stuff and surge staff should have remained a CC option)

[untold veldt]

I think maybe SG with the dodge talents, Assail, a Force Sword of your favorite variety

Honestly pretty much run down the right side of the tree

I'd reccomend a FS so you can vent and stay in SG as long as possible

and definitely take the talent to regen toughness on peril generation and vent

since you'll be constantly doing both

[errant eagle]

Dumb question for ya'll. Do my equipped weapons effect the damage of skills like Smite?

[limber heath]

shouldn't affect smite because its channeled but iirc assail projectiles are affected if you swap after throwing

[tacit urchin]

Can I actually fire charged voidstrike shots in salvos?

[untold veldt]

I don't believe directly, but I believe the blessings can affect

[limber heath]

sustained fire is bad. not sure if they count for salvos but that doesn't really matter cause its just bad

[tacit urchin]

I'm still leveling and it's what I got

[limber heath]

its totally fine while you're levelling cuz you don't really want to be wasting plasteel and whatnot rerolling stuff etc, so leave it as is.

keep all your dockets and shit for once you hit 30

[tacit urchin]

message received, spend all dockets on clothes

[limber heath]

yea cosmetics are fine

since they don't improve once you hit 30

[crisp yacht]

Gotcha. Whatever concession you make I'm sure it'll be a great pokey boi.

[next heart]

What perks do I want on voidstrike

I know Crit chance is top prio for funny interactions

But what other one do I want

[kind jay]

maniac basically. or unyielding if you wanna do funny boss things

[wet belfry]

Challenge: Play psyker without any bugs Difficulty: IMPOSSIBLE.

[sterile saddle]

wut?

psyker has functional immortality

illisi w/deflector and the defense perk

[wet belfry]

Nah im making a joke at that so many talent trees rn have some bug related to them.

[sterile saddle]

ooo

my n

[sacred pier]

which keystone do you recommend for a brain rupture build? I was gonna go with Empowered psyonics and just delete elites and specialists, but idk if warp siphon would be better for more shouts.

[sterile saddle]

my bad, i thought you were saying that psyker was hotdog without a bug

if you're using warp siphon the largest benefit is the passive dmg from 6 charges (my opinion) the shout recharge can just get passively regen with the cooldown aura

shout is more of a 'get out of jail free card' or 'go ham sandwitch' for 30-40 seconds

[errant eagle]

Can Smite crit?

[ionic sorrel]

Not from what I've seen.

[errant eagle]

Ah beans.

[sacred pier]

wouldn't it be bad to have to save shout? Since shouting gives us the super brain rupture charge speed stuff.

[edgy finch]

what current BiS for void staff and surge staff?

[limber heath]

do any of psyker's keystones work correctly EP is bugged with smite, disrupt is either bugged or just terribly designed with the marks hopping around, and warp charges fully reset anything other than venting with 1 charge

[lofty temple]

I can't play Telekine shield with warp charges since I get infinite shields if I do

[limber heath]

took me like half a game of using shield + warp charges to realize my ult was just... not having a cooldown

[frank moat]

I don't think Warp Charges are bugged with the wall shield, just the dome

Another win for bubble gang

[lofty temple]

It's with the wall shield as well.

[frank moat]

Oh is it?

[limber heath]

its with wall shield unless you have the x2 talent for wall shield i've4 heard

[frank moat]

Coulda sworn I tested that

[limber heath]

but i haven't used wall shield outside of one game, i just feel bubble is better for the toughness buff

[frank moat]

Ohh, if that's the case that would explain it, I only tried with x2

[limber heath]

i feel like anyone using walla shield will have the x2 node so its not entirely unreasonable to say it's not bugged

[lofty temple]

it is bugged

Also being able to press F and stop any specials coming from one direction is pretty powerful

Don't diss the kino shield.

[kind jay]

void: crit/maniac nexus/surge
surge: flak/maniac/cara nexus/flurry

[lofty temple]

Surge: Crit Chance

[edgy finch]

so crit stacking with surge is the new meta now eh for void

[kind jay]

it's absurdly powerful rn

for now

crit chance is ok on surge staff too though i personally rather have the frontloaded damage

either works

[edgy finch]

i rolled a nexus 3 flurry 4 surge so i can put whatever perks on. would flak/maniac or flak/cara make more sense?

[dim grotto]

Meta shmeta, I’m using my shredder pistol with gaze and going crazy

[kind jay]

preference really. pick whichever one you hate the enemies more

cara on surge makes those "10 crushers showed up" moments turn into "they all dead and no one got hurt" moments

but maniac will get you more 1 shots without crits

or you can do those and drop flak. it already destroys flak

options!

[edgy finch]

interesting. well thanks for the info 👊

[tacit urchin]

I saw a parade of 6 bursters, didn't know the game did that

[still hearth]

That's just a small squad

[sharp kraken]

Go all left

[ornate hamlet]

Wildfire is just too good to pass up

[raw drift]

I use the barrier with the double charge modifier thingy on it as my combat ability on my brain burst build specifically so that I have two charges lying around to buff my brain burst

Venting shriek is nice and all, but it's not that hard to manage peril with brain burst, I mean so long as you don't have 100% peril when you started, you won't explode

[lament topaz]

Dueling sword is goated, yeah?

[raw drift]

Yeah, it's fun. I like all of it's moves. It's a shame you can't quell peril with it out, but it's very fun, and I use it on a brain burst build that's entirely focused on the small chance to cause a brain burst on any attack

[lament topaz]

Which dueling sword is the better one?

[plucky flax]

35 mins of hell. Guess the weapons. Xd

[sterile saddle]

assail?

[plucky flax]

No I don't exploit op stuff. 😮

[sterile saddle]

surge?

[plucky flax]

Aye surge is op.

Illisi surge smite.

[steel flame]

Rn Mk4 is the strongest

It's heavys one shot mutants

And dogs

And specials

And gunners

And shotguns

The special knocks ragers out of combo for easy headshots with no risk

[near wyvern]

Why Illisi with smite?

[plucky flax]

To generate perils for ascendant blaze.

Why smite take forever to kill as well.

[near wyvern]

But you can do that with smite

[plucky flax]

No I use unlimited power.

[steel flame]

I mean. You could just use smite for that xP

[near wyvern]

https://youtu.be/XLXpJMyRQdg

[steel flame]

Speaking of which I need to make a scrier build with fire illi just for memes

[plucky flax]

Yeah but that's warp charges.

[near wyvern]

It's meh, I tried

[plucky flax]

I use unlimited power as mentioned.

[steel flame]

I figured

Unlimited power gonna go poof here pretty soon

[near wyvern]

And then you claim you don't use op/bugged shit lmao

[steel flame]

I don't recommend getting attached to it

[plucky flax]

It's not when pugs don't even hit elites.

When they are dancing.

[near wyvern]

Why do smite forever when you can take that warp siphon route with creeping flames and be done with the horde as soon as you hit 100% peril the second time

[flat shadow]

assail psykers on maelstrom really need to learn to use their primaries

or their other abilities

[limber heath]

starting to think the time i spend checking brunts shop would be better spent just queueing another mission genuinely not sure if i own a single weapon that started from him.

[flat shadow]

we jsut lost a game because i picked up a psyker mid horde and instead of whipping out a sword or using venting shriek or spraying them with a gun he ran away and started spamming assail

and then he couldnt kill the dog jumping at him

[plucky flax]

That's me pls no flame.

[flat shadow]

no flaming

i just need them to realize that they have other tools at their disposal

assail psykers seem to only use assail

[ornate hamlet]

wish i got a higher role for mobility but this was lucky

[plucky flax]

That's actually me. I use assail 90% of the map.

[ornate hamlet]

living up to your name

[near wyvern]

All the new Assail Psykers

[raw drift]

I did that with brain burst before the talent update. I do that with my blitz on psyker in general

[plucky flax]

[ornate hamlet]

you caught me

[untold veldt]

I like Assail when I want to watch something but still want to grind out some stuff.

[ornate hamlet]

listening to warhammer audiobook while playing >

[near wyvern]

The only reasonable justification to run it at the moment

[ornate hamlet]

im serious btw

[strong gulch]

Last night I had assail... but I completely forgot I had it and didn't use it. 🙃

[untold veldt]

I prefer running Smite + Surge when actually playing so I can cackle and alternate shouting "Unlimited power!" and "Witness your doom!" to my friends

[plucky flax]

Best build.

All the lightning.

[lethal kite]

is the combat knife good on psyker?

i just got one

[untold veldt]

It's decent on everyone in my experience.

[lethal kite]

and is the purgatos staff worth bringing, or nah

[flat shadow]

i just got hit by a plague ogryn and ran to get my toughness back and a random bruiser removed almost a flat 100 health from me in one hit while i ran to cover

wailing

[misty oak]

cant wait to get the 2 handed force sword to go with the psyker 😍

[outer wren]

Can anyone explain Kinetic Flayer (Brain Rupture Augment) to me?

If I damage a bunch of enemies, does each one have a chance to brain burst separately? Or does one enemy get brain bursted, and no one else for 15 seconds?

[plucky flax]

The latter one.

[outer wren]

That doesnt seem great to me

[plucky flax]

Chance to rupture once every 15s.

[outer wren]

what am I missing

[languid osprey]

man i cant decide between illisi or duel mk4 for horde clearing and shit

[plucky flax]

No it's not that good unfortunately. It was an easy way to gain warp charp pre patch.

But now with elite kills= warp charges it's very meh.

[languid osprey]

i feel i like duel more maybe

[outer wren]

Im reading it as: you brain bursted a random fodder enemy! woo hoo!

[reef pecan]

If I play Smite psyker how badly do I need to worry about tanking my teamates framerates? Cause I heard there were issues with it for a lotta people

[languid osprey]

sometimes is really bad

[reef pecan]

Awh fuck but its so cool

[outer wren]

hey its your allies frames not yours lol

[reef pecan]

But my survival hinges on my allies

[outer wren]

using that logic every team would wipe when a horde spawns and everyones frames tank

[languid osprey]

if they cant play at 15fps they are NOT your allies

a true sibling would know that

[gentle rose]

Also by definition their frames tank but also every enemy on their screen is staggered so.... how much danger can they be in?

[reef pecan]

Based, We all knew what we were signing up for when we doenloaded Darktide

[next heart]

Does surge double peril on voidstrike?

Or just free second shot

[spice veldt]

freeeeeee

[languid osprey]

i mean we out here in this bitch suffering aneurysms and shit for them

is the least they can give back

[steel flame]

Free freee freee

[reef pecan]

Lol true

[languid osprey]

but really if you like smite is reason enought to play it

[reef pecan]

My head exploded for the safety of the team, what have you contributed today zealot

And yeah, I figured. I just didnt wanna drag down my teamates experience just cause I wanted to be palpatine

[languid osprey]

surge keeps working

[steel flame]

It used to be better when it was tied to warp charges

Bb would grant you warp charge on kill and flayer was free warp charge upkeep and some extra damage

[steel flame]

I just consider their frames as their protection fee

[still hearth]

It's (mostly) free

[plucky flax]

Just do it for the memes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fgebio7n_w

[still hearth]

But flayer is definitely way worse now

[steel flame]

it's still free damage

But it's not a must take

Which I appreciate

[reef pecan]

Holy shit the lockdown is so juicy. How'd you not build peril while holding it though?

[still hearth]

125 dps boost lets go

[plucky flax]

It's the secret sauce by picking empowered blitz.

[still hearth]

Actually it's probably more like 100 dps

[reef pecan]

Its that easy? Hellyeah

[plucky flax]

Lemme check my tree 1 sec.

[reef pecan]

Im still fairly new. I think my psyker is like level 9 so I havent done a lot with them yet

[spice veldt]

1275 damage every 15 seconds

[steel flame]

It's a bug with a capstone feat

[fringe garden]

They really need to fix that smite bug. I love smite, but infinite smite makes me feel dirty... And sometimes I can't resist the Unlimited Power

[plucky flax]

Level 9 you won't have enough points to do unlimited power.

[outer wren]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[plucky flax]

You need those.

[reef pecan]

I figured ai wouldnt be able to lol, and yeah it needs patched at some point. That much lockdown for almost free is nutty

Ah I see

[outer wren]

I still find it worrying how long it takes to kill all of those locked down enemies

[steel flame]

That's for your team to worry about

[languid osprey]

is this worth the materials?

[still hearth]

It's really not that powerful in most situations because you're better off just killing things

[reef pecan]

Yeha the damage kinda blows. But im here to hold them. The vet can pop heads

[outer wren]

More like fatshark

[fringe garden]

Smite, voidstrike, Illis, and telekine shield is such a fantastic and versatile setup

[plucky flax]

Fun fact. Your teammates won't touch them for some reason.

[steel flame]

Get higher damages

[languid osprey]

dont hurt me like that

IM TRYING

[plucky flax]

So you are left just holding smite until everything die which takes forever.

[steel flame]

Lol

[still hearth]

I've noticed this

For some reason everyone just leaves you holding smite

[fringe garden]

If I'm locking down multiple highly dangerous threats... You bet

[steel flame]

Honestly if you have the t4 rending you can dump penetration

[plucky flax]

Like I'm here pinging enemy here for my teammates begging them to come kill.

But idk what mates are doing.

[reef pecan]

If they wont kill the 16 guys I have locked down then they deserve to have me drop smite when they lass through the group and just letting them get mauled

[plucky flax]

Just dying off screen to random shits.

[small sinew]

is this worth doing something with:

[spice veldt]

pub teammates 😔

[reef pecan]

The singular pox walker around the corner sends his regards

[languid osprey]

hm good to know thx im trying to make a horde clearing thingy right now i dont feel safe with my illisi

[steel flame]

Hot dam I wish I had that

[small sinew]

so i roll flak and call it a day?

[steel flame]

Stick infernus 4 on there

And maniac

Wai

Crit chance

Sry

[small sinew]

aight ill give that whirl, thanks man

[steel flame]

Then you can do my super fun crit las build xP

I'm still hunting for dumdum 4

[plucky flax]

Using guns.

[small sinew]

yeah? you got a build for it?

[steel flame]

Sure do

[small sinew]

dm me it when you get a chance please

[languid osprey]

heresy behaviour

[outer wren]

If I care about spamming my ability, would Wall Shield or Bubble Shield be better?

[fresh reef]

hey quick question
am I insane or were blessings locked to the weapons they were retrieved from?

like, if you got Blazing Spirit from a Voidstrike you could only put it on another Voidstrike

[mild junco]

Honestly, Assail for light horde is fine.
It just is slow.

[mild junco]

All staves blessings are proper to their staves

Voidstrike goes on voidstrike
Surge on surge
Purga on purga
Trauma on trauma

Well, the trauma goes on you with that info but whatever

[fresh reef]

I ask because is this a staff exlcusive thing?

[mild junco]

I believe so

[fresh reef]

just ripped full bore off a Kantrael and was able to put it on an Agripina

[kind jay]

blessings for all weapons are locked to their family

[fringe garden]

Staves don't have different marks

[mild junco]

That's because kantrael and agripina are both combat shotgun

But for example, Surge is Surge Force Staff

Where Trauma is other kind of staff

[fresh reef]

ahh, okay, gotcha

[long wharf]

staves ought to be mark variants of a base force staff

but they aren't

[unique mist]

Yeah its about the latter part of the name

[mild junco]

Does the shovels share their blessings or not, speaking of ?

[fringe garden]

Well, it let's them have unique perks, I guess

[long wharf]

nope, every weapon shares perks

if you meant blessings, the staves share 80% of the same blessings anyways

[fresh reef]

so for example, both Power Swords share their blessing pool?

[unique mist]

Well theres 3 actually and yes I think so

[kind jay]

yes

[long wharf]

there's one base Power Sword archtype

each Force Staff is its own archtype

[olive ember]

Another form of psyker suppression

[long wharf]

violence inherent in the system, yes.

[frank moat]

Would be interesting to see if we ever do get alternate Mk variants for the staves

[outer wren]

What are the best 2 blessings for Purgatus?

[feral verge]

ik u on a diff server than me

but you ever play with uhh

hereticus delta

psyker

[frank moat]

Probably just Nexus and Flurry tbh

Not exactly a lot of good options available

[feral verge]

yes, warp nexus and warp flurry

[outer wren]

but idc about crit chance 😭

[feral verge]

cirt on purga means 2x burn stack application

[frank moat]

Crits give you two stacks of soulblaze

[outer wren]

how does crit work with a flamethrower staff?

like you crit for X seconds when you get a crit?

[feral verge]

the staff crits alot

add nexus and other crit chacne stuff

it will crit a massive amount of the time

which, now you can build around crit

like crit = dodge feat

or feats that give toughness on crit

it is v powerful and slept on

[spice veldt]

yeah I play on the better server, and no I don't think so

[feral verge]

f u

[spice veldt]

or at least, I don't remember

[feral verge]

he blew up around 10 times

[spice veldt]

what's the ponderance for

tsk tsk tsk

[feral verge]

when i played with him the other day

[spice veldt]

I would only ever blow up 7 times

[feral verge]

level 250

[spice veldt]

embarassing

[feral verge]

pub teamates are very interesting creatures

it's fascinating

[spice veldt]

I cri

[feral verge]

sometimes i see brand new level 30's, with a low level border out play level 200+s

[ornate hamlet]

sounds like me

[spice veldt]

players who just stand at the back sontantlt

I had a zealot who kept on staying at the far back for some reason

presumably to pick up mats which is fine, but you should ta least be able to handle specials

he died to dogs two times by that

[ornate hamlet]

probably stealth zel

[feral verge]

i had one like that the other day

[spice veldt]

and only had 50k net damage by the end of the game

[feral verge]

it was like he was watching out for backspawning specials or something

but it was hampering the team

wish he just stayed infront, or atleast center of team

[limber grove]

Hello siblings of the warp. I’m just starting to play, and wondering what the best psychic power is to start with. The magic missile one seems good, but I feel a bit scummy using it

[feral verge]

hello

[mild junco]

Oi

[frank moat]

Howdy sibling

[feral verge]

use whatever one you like tbh. assail (magic missle) is very powerful atm

but the others are good/decent too

[spice veldt]

you could avoid taking the two upgrade nodes for assail to nerf yourself

still strong even w/o those though

[raw heath]

I chose the improved brain burst, whatever its called. Enjoyable not having to burst an elite 3 times

[mild junco]

Assail will probably be nerfed, so using only this one will said bad habits. Otherwise, either are fine

[idle bay]

Quick question: Antax MK V Combat axe with Brutal Momentum - still can work as anti-horde weapon?

[long wharf]

or, instead of nerfing yourself, enjoy playing on higher difficulty more easily

[mild junco]

Brain Rupture

[long wharf]

and force yourself to learn game mechanics in order to survive the higher difficulties

[still hearth]

Yeah but you'll have to weave in push attacks

[frank moat]

I think if I was starting out I’d be using the upgraded bog standard kit for a while just to grab some of the easy penances

[mild junco]

With the push attack, probably ?

[frank moat]

Fashion > everything else

[idle bay]

I was doing them on old version as well anyway. So nothing changed for me then 🙂

[long wharf]

did Limbsplitter change for axes?

[mild junco]

Also, there's BB, assail, and what's the last one called again ?

[long wharf]

that and brutal momentum used to be the go-to blessings for combat axes

[limber grove]

I’d really like brain rupture, but it just takes a while to ready up. It kinda makes me feel useless

[outer wren]

I need help deciding between which shield to use guys ;-;

I like double wall AND bubble

[feral verge]

smite

[outer wren]

I cant decide

[mild junco]

Ah, yes, fps consumer

Thanks

[feral verge]

smite is a bad name imo

[limber grove]

Bubble, it’s cool

[feral verge]

smite implies single target big damage hit

[mild junco]

You can take the feat that makes you charge way faster after ulting

[feral verge]

not multi target stun

[limber grove]

I think it should be force lightning

[limber grove]

Ulting?

[feral verge]

your F ability

[long wharf]

Smite definitely should be the single target lightning damage the Surge staff has

[mild junco]

Using your F ability

[worthy thicket]

Double wall blocks specials which makes it awesome for controlling the battlefield especially on specialist wave missions

[limber grove]

What’s that on Xbox

[mild junco]

And surge should go back the way it was

[feral verge]

i play PC

so idc

[mild junco]

Your venting stuff

[feral verge]

idk*

[limber grove]

Oh the yelling thingy

[mild junco]

Psyker on psyker communication right here

[long wharf]

agreed

[limber grove]

I like that one. I go SKREE after getting high peril, and people explode

[mild junco]

Uh ?

[limber grove]

The yelling one

It’s RB on Xbox, but it releases a blast wave, and damages people

[mild junco]

Oh, okay, that's the venting ultimate

[limber grove]

Gotcha

[long wharf]

Shriek, yes

[mild junco]

Because psykers yell pretty much... Always

[long wharf]

gotta scare those demons away somehow

[frank moat]

GRATIFYING

[limber grove]

When the voices get too loud

[glossy plaza]

New to this... and is it just me, or does this game (and the Psyker class) also give off some Neo Cron vibes? (Not saying it's a bad thing... but yeah xD )

[strong gulch]

I yell a lot for sure. Don't let a door open and a set of stairs sneak up on me. I'll have a fit about it.

[kind jay]

neocron is way harder than darktide

[mild junco]

But you got that Bill, there's a BB improvement node which makes you charge 50 or 75% faster for 10 seconds after your RB ability

[kind jay]

like 100x

[limber grove]

That’s awesome

[glossy plaza]

lol... well Neocron is different, but I still get APU vibes from the Psyker lol

[kind jay]

i agree tho

it does

[lyric burrow]

how important is cleave damage on devils claw? id imagine very but like is 68% mid or fine

idk if how hard the scaling drops off

[glossy plaza]

And reinstalling... but I don't think it's going fast enough xD

[lyric burrow]

nvm looks like its not a huge diff

like 5 damage

[fallow falcon]

Should I change both perks here or keep one and change the t1 blessing?

[limber heath]

hello what should i put on my illlisi

im using it on a bb soulblaze build but maybe i should swap to deimos for the carapace removal 🤔

[unique mist]

Change blessing and keep one perk

[unique mist]

I say switch to deimos

[mild junco]

Riposte + Blazing Spirit then for maximum soulblaze ?

But yeah, Deimos for Crushers is way better

[limber heath]

ight time to roll a deimos then, i assume just dump warp res

is riposte better than shred? i'm guessing just cause deimos won't be chaining much

[fringe garden]

It feels like soulblaze has been power crept on by the other options with this patch

[unique mist]

Soulblaze is still fun and very good

[fringe garden]

I mean to say, it just isn't as appealing to me as it was before

[limber heath]

probably yea, but assail is so fukin boring i'm looking for something else when i play psyker

[unique mist]

But I am the same way

[plucky flax]

Unlimited power is fun.

[fringe garden]

Smite all the way, for sure

[long wharf]

soulblaze DoT damage was never great

[glass plume]

Every time I play Smite, it takes my teammates a fuckin decade to actually kill things

[long wharf]

but at least the Purge staff now does good direct damage as well as apply soulblaze quickly

[mild junco]

I hate smite just because it hits my fps harder than the enemies

[reef pecan]

That feeling when you finally realize you hate the voice you picked and start creating another character of the same class to do a different voice

[limber heath]

uhh what do

[mild junco]

How does the purgatus deal soulblaze ? Base ?

[fringe garden]

I don't just run around exclusively using smite. I use it to create breathing room at critical moments

[limber heath]

ditch slught and block for something?

[fringe garden]

Otherwise I mainly spam voidstrike with a bit of illisi when needed

[limber heath]

slaught*

[plucky flax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fgebio7n_w

Brb stunning 10+ ragers and maulers and bulwarks.

[unique mist]

Really?

[mild junco]

Also, does anyone have a solution, maybe with mods, to lessen the fps impact of smite ?

[unique mist]

soulblaze ticks 11 times at its current max stacks every 0.75s for 8.25s then decays stack by stack every 0.75s

[spice veldt]

though in terms of single-target DPS, it isn't that impressive

its advantage comes from the fact that most of its application methods spread it in an AoE

[unique mist]

like, by itself? Sure, not that impactful, but when you have multiple sources of it

[limber heath]

if i ignore soulblaze on deimos and skip blazing spirit what would the best blessings be since i'm just using it to slap crushers pretty much

[lyric burrow]

although it does pair well with rending

[limber heath]

i assume uncanny4 is fine for crushers.

[lyric burrow]

keep uncanny and swap block to carapace if your really leaning into crusher killing but tbh with uncanny might not even need it

which would leave room for maniac

[limber heath]

fine to replace slaughterer with deflector since i doubt i'll be stacking it?

[lyric burrow]

if you dont think youll use sure

slaught is good though

helps horde clear a bit better

[limber heath]

yea i have a purgatus so don't think i'll be using the deimos much for horde

[lyric burrow]

then yeah deflector would be fine

[limber heath]

ight ty. gonna see how it performs against specials in psyk then maybe put on maniac

[thin finch]

Depends what is your bane and how "good" you are under pressure

if gunner is your bane, bubble is bae, also you don't need much brain power to put it down, push the button ,get the bubble

Now the double wall require more "brain power" to be placed efficiently between your team and the wall of gun
BUT you can put 2 (equating more life ) and it can prevent mutie and some other elite to go trough ,really giving breathing room

[limber heath]

hmm yea i don't think carapace worth the effort since i don't see it ever 1tapping crushers

[glass plume]

rofl rip

[lyric burrow]

youd probably need unstable power for that

depending on how much you do with rending applied

[austere burrow]

what else would you put if not carapace

[thin finch]

where the fuck did the vet and the other dude went I'd assume they were thrown by a mutie but hell

[lyric burrow]

maniac is good

[plucky flax]

Don't ask me it always happen.

[lyric burrow]

im not sure if deimos can still one tap muties with new health buff

[plucky flax]

I smite, hold a bunch of elites, but teammates are... Xd

[austere burrow]

h2 should one tap with enough rending

[near wyvern]

Uncanny is the new Slaughterer but it's even naughtier if you have both as they stack multiplicatively

[lyric burrow]

ah

id keep slaught then

i knew uncanny was good but didnt realize it was built like that

[near wyvern]

Yes it can, especially with 6 warp charges

[lyric burrow]

i thought they removed warp charges doing damage

or is it an upgrade now

[near wyvern]

But if you have +power buffs or uncanny active that also works

[glass plume]

up to 6 charges with another perk

[near wyvern]

It's keystone upgrade, same as before, +4% per stack

[limber heath]

i can always put slaught back on, i like flak anyway

[lyric burrow]

ah ok i see

i thought they made it just CDR

my b you can def one tap then

[glass plume]

Warp charges are insane now

[austere burrow]

insanely point heavy :<

[near wyvern]

Just to note, you can also one tap with duelling sword MK4 now

[glass plume]

-36% peril gen and +24% all damage with nearly permanent uptime is cray

[lyric burrow]

this i did know cause ive been running mk4 duelling

[near wyvern]

Duelling sword MK4 stab does now about the same as Deimos H2.

The main difference is the blessing pool and that Deimos is a bit more defensive variant where as DS mk4 is a bit more offensive variant:

Deimos has the diagonal light which helps to keep trash around you at bay but DS has better attack speed for the big poke as it can just do heavy heavy heavy

And obviously Deimos has the force pushes and infinite dodges

[lyric burrow]

DS4 dodges are very nice i must admit

[limber heath]

man i wish deimos H1 was its h2

the poke is so much nicer

[near wyvern]

Yup. There is a cool interaction with Battle Meditation, Smite, the warp charges and creeping flames.

You can basically set things ablaze and tase them until they are gone, which contrary to the infinite smite bug happens surprisingly fast:

https://youtu.be/XLXpJMyRQdg

[spice veldt]

duelling swords are spood

being able to dodge a chaos spawn grab without needing to do any premature distancing is very nice

[thick carbon]

Hey, I just completed "going out with a bang" but I didn't get the armour

Any known bugs???

Could it just be a re-log issue?

[lyric burrow]

I find you can i frame it more reliably now too

[lyric burrow]

Try restarting but i have heard about this before

Not sure what the fix was

[spice veldt]

yeah they apparently tuned the timings on it

i still need to get used to the duelling sword dodge timings

[mild junco]

Friend.got the issue two days ago, exiting the game and getting back fixed that

[spice veldt]

force swords have decayed my brain into dust and ashes

i keep whiffing my dodges

[lyric burrow]

Think that was the crusher

[spice veldt]

and

getting oneshot by crushers

you know what

[lyric burrow]

Sorry i had to

[spice veldt]

i think you'll have a pleasant time at the bottom of a volcano

with a suspicious foot-sized imprint on the back of your shirt

[lyric burrow]

I swear i wont make the joke again for at least 24 hours

But you gave me a lay up

[long wharf]

compare it to burning damage

[spice veldt]

you bastard

at least this op ability is balanced by a 24-hour cooldown

i shall accept this for now

[lyric burrow]

Thank god we havent played together or you'd be fiending for me to get hit by a crusher

[spice veldt]

whaaaaaat

i would

never

[lyric burrow]

Uh huh

[long wharf]

I believe that's called a "freudian pause"

[raw oriole]

What weapons are you fine folks using to compliment Assail and why?

[steel flame]

I use laspistol, Mk4 saber and assail as part of my crit build

It's great for staggering, it's fast and compliments moving at high speeds

It's also nice for cycling with laspistol to conserve ammo and clean up trash mobs

[pseudo oar]

also, has anyone found a good way to get warp battery with the class changes?

[steel flame]

You can do it with 4 and just stay at 4 if you want

[teal needle]

Voidstrike or surge are popular compliments for dealing with carapace

[sick jasper]

Gentlemen

Does seers presence stack?

In game rn we are doing building

[steel flame]

Stack with what

[teal needle]

Itself i would assume

[sick jasper]

Like can two psykers stack it

[sick jasper]

Yes

No its the cooldown

[steel flame]

It stacks

[sick jasper]

All of them do I assume?

[steel flame]

Ya

Long as you are all in coherency

[mild junco]

Surge and Duelling Sword MK4.
Surge for bosses / Crushers / Urgent Special removal.
Duelling sword to OS wandering mobs, do light horde, and maybe kill a mauler or two

[strong gulch]

I finally did it. I got the golden fist.

[mild junco]

How do you get this one ?

[strong gulch]

No more hoping that repair and investigation is up

[strong gulch]

You have to complete "Mission Improbable". It's level 2 of doing x number of mission. 100 missions of every map type.

[atomic zephyr]

does surge really do that much damage to bosses?

[lethal folio]

surge boss damage is bad.

[mild junco]

I do have to test out compared to the voidstrike

But yeah, it's not great

[atomic zephyr]

yeah, voidstrike so far seems to do the biggest hits on staffs , haven;t really tested purg on bosses either

[mild junco]

My build's weakness is clearly monsters, but with Ogryns, Zealots and Rending Vets out there, not really an issue

Purg is not good certified

[teal needle]

Yeah there's no great option for monsters on psyker, even voidstrike is slow going

[steel flame]

I like laspistol and scrier on monsters

[untold veldt]

I just focus on everything else while my team deals with the monsters tbh

I keep the other stuff off their back, they're free to focus

[unique mist]

i have no idea what the burning damage is

[mild junco]

I think it's all the fire based effect so fire slugs, flamer, and talent on Ogryn's tree

[meager cliff]

Which one should I replace with Bloodthirsty

Deflector is really useful but I've heard Slaughterer+Bloodthirsty is a good combo

[untold veldt]

I wouldn't give up deflector for it personally.

[mild junco]

Deflector is nice, but I don't rely too much on it

[untold veldt]

The duality of man

[mild junco]

Like Burk said, I wouldn't put Bloodthirsty on the sword

[untold veldt]

Now uncanny maybe I'd consider

Bloodthirsty just ain't worth it imo

[mild junco]

Uncanny everyday

[long wharf]

Bloodthirsty was, once upon a time, the best blessing to have on a force sword

[meager cliff]

I mean I constantly charge up my force sword so having a 100% critical every time I do that would be really useful

[long wharf]

sadly, it is a pale shadow of its former glory

[meager cliff]

Is it still worth using tho

[long wharf]

meh, not really

[mild junco]

Yeah but that also means that if you do a single shitty attack for a stranded mob or something, crit is gone

[untold veldt]

Yeah it's not going to crit everything in the swing

Just the first mob hit

[unique mist]

so i'm keeping maniac and upgrading uncanny, should i swap out flak too? idk

[long wharf]

originally, Bloodthirsty was "On special kill, gain 100% crit chance for 5 seconds"

[mild junco]

On Deimos I would consider bloodthirsty tho

[meager cliff]

I figured that, but ideally it could 1 shot ragers and some other special enemies on like tier 2 or 3 dificulties. I'm guessing that's not the case anymore tho

[untold veldt]

I think on a Deimos force sword it's worth it

because that's built to kill specials

[unique mist]

if the +flak lets me oneshot the flak head armored fodder enemies (dunno names yet) i'll keep it

otherwise i was gonna go carapace perhaps

[mild junco]

You'll have to check that in the Psykhanium I think

[rose dagger]

does rampage even work on duelling sword, can it cleave enough lol

[untold veldt]

Wait just tier 2 or 3? Run whatever you want tbh.

[viscid matrix]

barely

[unique mist]

push attack activates it

[meager cliff]

It seems like enemy health was buffed across all dificulties recently, I might be wrong tho

[viscid matrix]

it was

[mild junco]

It has

[rose dagger]

i like duelling sword with trauma since trauma lacks the single target of voidstrike
and it allows you to poke knocked over bulwarks in the head and such

duelling sword has replaced deimos niche for me

[untold veldt]

I just like Dueling sword.

I wish I could get it on Vet and Zealot tbh

[mild junco]

I dislike trauma

[meager cliff]

I've tried using the Deimos but the slice with the Illisi is way too fucking satisfying

[teal needle]

Dueling sword is a little busted rn

[rose dagger]

illisi/voidstrike simply feels like the best combo rn

[teal needle]

300+ base heavy stab damage lol

[untold veldt]

I'm not a fan of the Illisi personally, but I don't really like Power Swords either (I understand they're good though, they just feel bleh)

[mild junco]

I do not use Illisi's special nearly enough to justify using it

[teal needle]

I do enjoy turning a wall of walkers into strawberry maggot jam

[meager cliff]

Something about blocking bullets with my hands and then slicing 5 heads off at once just makes me feel like a jedi so maybe I'm biased lol

[frail pewter]

fuck fuck fuck

[rose dagger]

one special with illisi can give multiple slaughterer stacks, and once its full stacks it feels like a power sword thats always on
bonus points if you use unstable power too

[meager cliff]

I was told combining slaughterer with bloodthirsty was the best combo you could have but I dunno if that's true anymore

[rose dagger]

uncanny strike is all the rage now

i dont have an uncanny/slaughterer one yet

[echo turtle]

I would think slaughterer/unstable/shred paired with uncanny would be the way to run it now

[meager cliff]

To think I concecrated so many force swords just to unlock bloodthirsty and when I finally get it people tell me it isn't good anymore

[echo turtle]

it hasnt been good for months

[hushed pike]

I SBRed my autogun

Don't sent the ATF after me.

[meager cliff]

I've been trying to get it since it was all the rage but the RNG didn't wanna give it to me until it sucked lol

[echo turtle]

same I upgraded over 20 swords to gold and never got it

now I have a riposte / uncanny mk4 duely with flak and manic

and thats all I use on the psyker

[meager cliff]

I still kinda wanna use it out of curiosity, I might give it a test drive on a different Illisi

[gritty tapir]

Do Staffs have a dump stat or do you need all of them as high as possible?

[echo turtle]

oh I lied i actually JUST got it

on an illisi

this week

it is very underwhelming

[formal glade]

What's a good boss killing loadout for psyker for the auric maelstroms that spawn a bunch of monstrosities?

[echo turtle]

oh wait, no I got it on an evist

[meager cliff]

Does it at least 1 shot specials, cuz that's the main reason I wanted it

Like mutants and ragers

[echo turtle]

special attacks dont crit

[meager cliff]

Wha

Thats

Thats the whole point tho

[echo turtle]

thats just it

there is no point

[meager cliff]

So it just lies in the description then lmao

[echo turtle]

unless something changed, force sword specials dont crit

[meager cliff]

"100% chance to crit with a special attack, except it doesn't actually crit with a special attack"

[echo turtle]

meaning you wont get a bonus to a special attack, only the followup normal attack

you get a 100% chance to crit

FOLLOWING a special attack kill

so you kill something with a charge attack, and your next attack is a crit

[meager cliff]

THATS WHAT IT FUCKING MEANS??

[echo turtle]

yes

[meager cliff]

That is so fucking dumb

[rose dagger]

yea thats trash compared to shred

[echo turtle]

yeah

it used to give you 5 seconds of 100% crit

[rose dagger]

shred is insane on zealot

[echo turtle]

thats when it was good

now, its a waste as the specials cannot themselves crit

[meager cliff]

Wait, what if my attack after the special is another special

Does it just not work

[echo turtle]

i believe that is the case

[meager cliff]

Fatshark can suck my fat nuts

[echo turtle]

yeah, its nothing special

you can get like 70% critchance with your skills tho\

so, I reccomend taking shred and uncanny if you want to go all into crits

[spice veldt]

the special can crit, but the crit multiplier on force sword specials are not that great compared to their normals

[echo turtle]

but, honestly I advise slaughterer instead as psyker doesnt have enough crit synergy imo to make that kind of build worth it

[meager cliff]

Yeah but like 90% of my attacks with the Illisi are charged attacks so there's no point

[echo turtle]

ahhhhhhhhhh thanks arki

[tropic vigil]

is psyker base crit chance still like 3%?

[echo turtle]

shred will probably proc more crits than bloodthirst at this stage of the game

[echo turtle]

5%

you can get another 9% from skills

20% from scriers

5% from a perk

then another 20% from shred

[tropic vigil]

i havent played since the patch where the acension riser was added so i have learning to do

[echo turtle]

its a whole new game

try telekin shield as a sphere, and the mk4 dueling sword with uncanny strike

welcome to godhood

[formal glade]

Is there* a good boss killing loadout for psyker for the auric maelstroms that spawn a bunch of monstrosities? :^)

[lethal lagoon]

I really hope they fix the shield glitch soon, I wanna use it without having to keep a mental count so I don't cheat with the bug.

[echo turtle]

you can run some stupid stuff with a mk3 vraks and deal 5k damage per burst

but honestly, voidstrike/brainburst do OK

[tropic vigil]

trying to center a crit build around this, did voidstrike get like super buffed or something? i remember it being basically ineffective against crushers but now i can two tap them,

[echo turtle]

i hpe they fix it soon too

becuase I like charges and I like the shield

[lethal lagoon]

Same

[echo turtle]

yeah its insane now

take the auto crit on 5 weakspot hit skill and warp nexus for it

[formal glade]

Yea I've been using voidstrike and experimenting with the other staves but like, the max I can do on a monstrosity it seems is like 20-30k, and that's only the case when I'm playing with other people that seem to not really be dealing damage to them and it takes quite a bit

It's usually fine, but in the auric that spawns them a bunch, I really want to pump way more than that

[tropic vigil]

which ones auto crit?

[echo turtle]

i slap up a shield and turn into a turret with the voidstrike

its uh, pretty gross tbh

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, I straight up just ignore monsters and just go for everything else.

[echo turtle]

near disrupt destiny

"true aim"

you dont need it, but its cool

[tropic vigil]

oh i see it

[echo turtle]

yeah

[tropic vigil]

i have that one already so that makes sense

[echo turtle]

it procs a lot

[formal glade]

Yea I usually do something similar but when there's 2 monstrosities running everyone down, I just want to figure out how to pull the weight when need be. It's easy enough swapping to assail and just wiping a room with left click and then turning my attention back to bosses when need be

[tropic vigil]

i was wondering why i was critting so much more than i remember.

now maybe surge will be useful

[echo turtle]

persohally, I take brain burst and telekine shield with charges

and the voidstrike is still a nuclear warhead

there is also way more access to crit chance

the skill above true aim gives you another 5%

[tropic vigil]

any major changes to purgatus or still want crit for that too?

[echo turtle]

so, with warp nexus, that and the perk you have like, alomst 30% most of the time

then a bunch of extras from true aim

still want crit

[strong gulch]

Yeah still nexus and flurry

[echo turtle]

for void, nexus and surge is optimal I think

[rose dagger]

yep

[echo turtle]

flurry/quell on weakspot are good too

[summer dragon]

Why crit over fully stacking the options for Soul Blaze?

[echo turtle]

crit = soul blaze stacks

only soul blaze ability you really need is wildfire if you want to go that route

[strong gulch]

If any of you see me, Beans, running around, please tell me that Blitz exists.

I can't remember for some dange reason.

damg

dang

ahhh

[rose dagger]

wish there was a way to remove the quicken aspect of warp charge keystone

should be an optional node

[tropic vigil]

is obscurus sword still shit?

[rose dagger]

yea its obsolete

[tropic vigil]

ok

[rose dagger]

still worth using if its by far your best roll tho

[tropic vigil]

they cant all be winners

[summer dragon]

Are the force swords worth their special ability?

[ornate hamlet]

yes

[tropic vigil]

obscurus is my only "perfect" wep

[ornate hamlet]

for sure

theyre on par with the chainswords

[tropic vigil]

OH

[ornate hamlet]

well two of them are

[tropic vigil]

are chainswords good now?

[rose dagger]

best part about force swords is|| infinite dodge slide spam||

[tropic vigil]

i never used them on psyker just a few times on my zealot but they always ended up getting me killed

[ornate hamlet]

i dont know if they were ever bad, started playing a few days ago

the chain swords are really good

[tropic vigil]

on psyker i wouldnt see any reason to use them over force swords because animation lock

[ornate hamlet]

best one’s probably eviscerator

[rose dagger]

nah chainsword better

[ornate hamlet]

i use force swords for the ability and for the force block with the ability i can block bullets

heres the one i got earlier

[rose dagger]

das pretty good

havent been using deflector since patch
cause 🛡️

[summer dragon]

OH, right, I was trying to block bullets earlier and got shot to death, so I quickly learned that I was missing something, but couldn't remember what.
My previous force sword had that perk, but this one doesn't, so I guess that answers it.

[ornate hamlet]

yeah i tried it out in maelstrom auric, i was one shotting flaks with the heavy special ability to the head and the maniacs were the same or two shot

[strong gulch]

You can bully your way out of so many situations and crab around force swords.

[crisp yacht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEWoxanngwk&t=3000s

I found a better vidya

[rose dagger]

light->heavy, the double stab, can achieve similar results more safely

tho im sure we already know this... but just in case...

[waxen mortar]

What's the best build on a Psyker looking like rn ability points wise?

[steel flame]

Wdym?

[waxen mortar]

What's the meta build?

For the skill tree breakdown, what's the best point placement

[steel flame]

Oh. No clue. Ive been vibing with an ultra aggressive laspistol/assail/Mk4 crit build

[limber heath]

check the builds thread for ppls builds, best doesn't really exist when gameplay is heavily influenced by personal preference

[steel flame]

All depends on what weapons you like

[limber heath]

if you want to meta slave then just going assail + bubble + voidstrike staff is the easiest way. that's boring though depending on who you ask

[strong gulch]

Not sure about skill tree meta. There are common builds but they are for specific purposes or to complement your weapons.

Meta weapons are MK IV dueling sword and voidstrike right now.

[young meteor]

Assail is BiS for now. Rest is arguable

I guess middle bottom too

Is BiS

[autumn smelt]

playing with someone whos leveling, and im helping them via malice maelstroms for tons of xp, but someone aggroed the DH, got themselves killed, then it aggroed on me and i danced with it for 2 minutes and the team did not deal any damage to it

idk what to say at this point

[limber heath]

warp siphon and EP both perform nearly identically for assail IME, not to mention with the shield bug siphon is extra good

[fast wind]

Just cease to exist LOL

[ionic frost]

could always play thunder hammer zealot and solo the DH =)

[frank moat]

Begone, fanatic

[waxen mortar]

Dude FR, I end up with a group that somehow manages to pull it and wipes everyone.

Everytime

[limber heath]

feel like if its malice people should be able to stabilize even with 2 members wiped no? although i guess these are malice players we're talking about so low level/new to game.

[lethal lagoon]

I can repeatedly mark the DH, tell them to stay away, and they still run into it.

[atomic forum]

wait what, ok i didn't actually realize empowered assails hit more targets

[brisk nacelle]

Empowered Psionics seems the only good choice really.

[atomic forum]

i now feel even more vindicated in going empowered blitz for this build then, and that makes the 12.5% on kill sound a lot more enticing now than the elite kill one

sometimes you just get tons of specialists and it'd be nice to just have more empowers more often then

[limber heath]

for anything above malice you should probably be taking the charge on elite keystone, guaranteed charges when your assail is ripping through a pack of shotgunners, gunners, etc vs 5% higher chance for charges its usually better to have the guarantee. that being said assail is overtuned enough that both perform similarly.

in malice and below there just might not be enough elites to reliably proc it

i'll be honest tho, the warp siphon build i've used for assail also works well... EP is good but its not the only choice, and warp helps with peril maintenance, general damage for your other weapons, as well as buffing assail.

[atomic forum]

when i have purgatus staff i'll probably keep the on elite one on since i clear hordes with purgatus but, having more empowers for horde clear when im using surge staff would i think be more useful in some cases, but i'll have to see. i mean i play mostly on damnation so the elite kill one is very good, but there are some like, small cases where im not getting any value from it where i'd like the other one

[steel flame]

Man everyone be sleeping on destiny

[atomic forum]

i've tried warp charges too but, i just hate losing them

[spice veldt]

EP is the ultimate brain off

[limber heath]

i'm actually surprised the extra targets thing is unlisted in the talent

well its fatshark so i'm not really but

[atomic forum]

yeah like, hello that's a huge thing to not include. i mean yeah fatshark tooltip but lol

[spice veldt]

and the fact that it's a straight up 2x multiplier

[atomic forum]

that's a massive thing to leave out

[spice veldt]

so no charge is consumed nor peril is generated, in addition to hitting twice the targets

essentially, an EP charge is equal to two free shards (assuming that you can lock onto 6 targets)

seems balanced and appropriate to me

[limber heath]

even without EP assail still feels broken ngl

[atomic forum]

assail is so overtuned

[ornate hamlet]

yeah u checked the attack breakdown in the inspect, and tried that out in the training place, not only is it more safer and has longer range but its easier to hit weakspots and does twice as more damage than the other types of swings or attacks

[ornate hamlet]

only at low level

high level armoured enemies laugh at you when you use assail

[spice veldt]

(not including flak)

so only Maulers/Crushers/Bulwarks/Monstrosities

[steel flame]

That's why I mix it with laspistol

[ornate hamlet]

only things ive seen it do well against is dogs and poxwalkers but i play other classes and they kill them just as fast

with guns

[waxen mortar]

Yeah..... I've noticed that

[ornate hamlet]

im fr not including flak, it doesnt do well against them

[atomic forum]

i mean it still kills gunners and riflemen, which is the thing it's supposed to do

[spice veldt]

it does perfectly fine against Flak
75% armour mod is whatever, but that's in the realm of ok

[limber heath]

sometimes i swear people are playing a different game

[spice veldt]

in addition to Flak enemies having lower hp (besides ragers)

[atomic forum]

walking into a room, putting down a bubble (optional, you get so much toughness back and can be dodging ranged on crits lol), and just tapping m1 to clear every gunner in the room is definitely too strong

[waxen mortar]

You mean this isn't Hello Kitty Island Adventures discord?

[ornate hamlet]

theres fine and there’s inefficient, assail against flak is inefficient than a modicum of other means

[limber heath]

Outside of a scab maelstrom I've brought non-EP assail to a bunch of HI 5 / hi shock 5s and it still disintegrates everything

[ornate hamlet]

shooting with a gun with no perks kills them faster than assail does

[atomic forum]

lol

[spice veldt]

yeah, a gun is going to have more raw DPS

but shards can hit 3 targets and has auto-aim

unless have quite the experience in FPS shooters, you are not matching that against a group of spread out enemies

[limber heath]

on one target, not a group of enemies you barely have to point at and will auto aim headshot.

[still hearth]

At almost any range

[rose dagger]

assail just needs to be less mindless and spammable
tho thats bout all it is atm

[ornate hamlet]

its not auto aim by literal means, if you look up in the air they wont hit anything but i get what youre saying

[still hearth]

It can still be plenty mindless

[spice veldt]

fine

aim-assist

[steel flame]

Assail is great for maintaining ammo on a gun build. Perfect for quickly cleaning up trash

[spice veldt]

isn't that just better

[ornate hamlet]

it needs to be dropped down to 5 max with a longer cooldown

i think the damage is fine

[waxen mortar]

That's the best part about it. Absolute mob control

[rose dagger]

make assail work like pbm in DRG
i say half-seriously

[limber heath]

oh no i have to have my crosshair within 20 degrees of the enemy how will i recover

[spice veldt]

the damage output per shard is fine yeah

[steel flame]

Pls no I don't want cooldowns.

[echo turtle]

Shards do wild damage if you spend a bunch of points to power them up. The only problem is now you don't have all the cool down reduction for the most powerful ability in the game. The telekine shield

[spice veldt]

but being able to burst through 10 shards and have it come back every 1.4 seconds is quite ridiculous

[ornate hamlet]

too many people are using it as a crutch

[echo turtle]

Agreed, they regenerate too fast

[waxen mortar]

Just play as Palpatine and zap your way through levels.

And you'll love assail

[ornate hamlet]

the damage needs a buff imo, its good stun

[waxen mortar]

It's damage is so so bad

[rose dagger]

balancing assail to not be OP for low difficulty but not weak on auric will be a delicate matter

[ornate hamlet]

laughably

[signal jay]

Mod idea for y’all: replace brain burst sounds with “discombobulate” from that one sherlock movie with Downey Jr.

[waxen mortar]

I started playing a week ago. And went from Palps to Needle junkie and not looked back

[ornate hamlet]

its already meh on auric rn

[spice veldt]

at lower difficulties, it'll prob overkill anyways

[rose dagger]

exactly

[spice veldt]

depends on the maelstrom you're talking about

and assail opens up your ranged and melee weapon to be whatever to fill in it's weaknesses

[ornate hamlet]

honestly damnation and above it only eats unarmored and elites for breakfast

[spice veldt]

nah, not only Unarmored enemies

[ornate hamlet]

i should say some elites

[limber heath]

increased cooldown would basically cover that, it'll still be able to remove the priority group (whatever mess of shotgunners, maniacs, gunners, etc, and this won't differ much by difficulty ) but you'll actually have to switch to another weapon periodically.

[ornate hamlet]

[spice veldt]

hmm, so this is how the discourse will go

oh well

[limber heath]

flak is an armour type you know

[spice veldt]

I posted the damage table of Assail up there

you can go peruse it at your own time

[ornate hamlet]

im in a match

[waxen mortar]

Who needs armour when the emperor protects

[steel flame]

I appreciate the stagger as much as the damage. Even if its not a one shot on some of the armored stuff it sets them up for a quick kill with my laspistol

[lyric burrow]

Ngl id argue assail almost gets stronger with auric cause you just loop EP for all eternity unless its the melee only one

I wont say it does 100% cause it also shreds the lower health pools below damn

Without ep

[steel flame]

I use destiny in my builds and it performs perfectly in damnation without EP

[lyric burrow]

Destiny with assail im assuming

[limber heath]

assail is good enough not to need EP in damnation. In fact without EP it almost feels balanced... almost, until you look at your 10 charges.

[ebon jolt]

Voidstrike staff performs pretty well without EP too 🤭

[limber heath]

yea well hopefully assail isn't the only thing they bonk with the nerf bat

[lyric burrow]

Theres plenty of bonking to go around

[limber heath]

inb4 they somehow don't touch assail

FS: i think we're in need of some brain rupture nerfs

[ebon jolt]

Dev note: “the community has expressed their opinion that Psyker is too strong so we’ve nerfed brain burst.”

[strong gulch]

oh

[lyric burrow]

Yeah that checks out

[steel flame]

Yeah. Having so much speed is a game changer

[lyric burrow]

I am tempted to try that

Although i dont use assail

Not sure how it would work with BB

[steel flame]

This is the build i use

With a laspistol and Mk4 saber

You feel like a goddam ninja

And you can just charge gunners and shotguns with no issues since you can keep up empathic evasion indefinitely with laspistol

Still trying to get dumdum 4

[thorn cedar]

I wish Emphatic Evasion stacked twice

That's it that's all I got

[steel flame]

Lol

[steel flame]

You just want 2 seconds?

Understandable

[thorn cedar]

Yes but also more like a bankable crit

[steel flame]

?

[thorn cedar]

In that if I land two immediately before the 1s runs out

It just gives me an extra second

• time left

[steel flame]

It just refreshes

[thorn cedar]

Ye

[steel flame]

I mean that's what it does now

[thorn cedar]

It's just silly sometimes when I crit three times in a row and then I don't for the next three shots and I get shredded

Total niche use case I know

[steel flame]

Yeah that's why I like laspistol over recon

It crits consistently at just the right intervals

[lyric burrow]

Ive heard recon is actually half decent

Now

[steel flame]

Oh it is

[lyric burrow]

I need to see it to believe it though

I have trust issues

[steel flame]

I just don't like it with my crita

[north pike]

What is the dump stat on the dueling sword? And which is the good one xD

[lyric burrow]

Mk4

[north pike]

Cleave damage don't seem like the right dump, but you never know.

[lyric burrow]

Cleave damage might be dump but im not actually sure

Its not a horde clear weapon at all

So might not matter