psyker-class

[obtuse moth]

i would take unyielding perk and then anything else is fine for the most part besides crit damage

[brave fiber]

bro wtf that voidstrike is nasty

[azure karma]

why unyielding

[brave fiber]

only need to replace the perks

[obtuse moth]

because everything else either dies to flame or doesn't, and bosses actually take good damage from flame staff but will still take time

25% more boss damage is highly significant

[dapper flax]

The vstrike wouldn't be terrible if you replaced sprint with flak , and transfer peril with warp nexus

though that is just what I have and I think it's pretty sexy after running through a couple damnations

I do not use surge staff enough to know if it's worth using

[obtuse moth]

buy the second one not for the staff but for the warp nexus perk if you don't already have it

[dapper flax]

or what perks would be good for it tbh

[obtuse moth]

warp nexus + surge blessing combo is meta rn

[dapper flax]

huh , good to know

what's the surge blessing ?? I've been a vstrike / purgatus player for a while

[clear heath]

the only reason i'd consider getting that surge staff is to unlock warp nexus for it. damage looks pretty low on that one

[obtuse moth]

otherwise don't buy things from melk unless its god tier base weapon or has a t4 blessing you want

when you crit you shoot twice instead of once

[lyric burrow]

One taps crushers that way

[viscid matrix]

Surge is a blanced staff, unlike void which is really overtuned, especially with surge blessing

[dapper flax]

oh no yeah it's definitely a good staff , I just don't know enough about it to comment on it

[viscid matrix]

throwing that currency away for random curios is how i got my health curios

[teal needle]

Arco may or may not be lying but there's also no way assail has 100 or even 150 base damage. There just aren't enough warp damage multipliers in the game to get it to the damage numbers it puts out just testing in the psykanium

[dapper flax]

Might try it out though to expand my psyker horizons

[obtuse moth]

so it makes it basically so when you crit you do 4x damage, 2x cleave (idk if cleave is affected by crit?) and 4x stagger, between the rough doubling of damage and the doubling of projectiles

[teal needle]

250 honestly feels about right

[clear heath]

surge staff is a good staff if you pretend voidstrike just doesn't exist

[viscid matrix]

def do, its a good staff, Trauma is also balanced ,purga is a little undertuned but also viable

[lyric burrow]

Surge is good just worse than void atm

Probably worse than trauma too

[viscid matrix]

Surge and Trauma are both pretty balanced, trauma has more damage, but surge has nicer aiming of secondary

[obtuse moth]

@near wyvern does critting affect cleave/hit mass?

[spice veldt]

no

[obtuse moth]

thanks, good to know

[spice veldt]

is very sad

at least we got some proper crit stuff nowadays

[dapper flax]

Trauma and surge are more fun to use imo
though headshotting a bunch of normal enemies with the vstrike feels so good

[obtuse moth]

i still really like surge. it could do more damage but its a v balanced staff atm

[viscid matrix]

i hate trauma, cause looking into a sky to target enemies further away annoys me

[obtuse moth]

dont look into sky to target them, sprint slide into them instead :D

[teal needle]

I love trauma because it turns navelgazing into a powerful defensive tool

[lament sonnet]

swap sprint for 25% to boss and barrage for nexus ?

[obtuse moth]

i dont like how you have zero awareness when using trauma defensively like that

[dapper flax]

Barrage to nexus yes

[clear heath]

I like telling myself that my surge staff is doing good 3 shotting crushers and bulwarks while pretending i don't see that voidstrike staff one shotting them instead

[obtuse moth]

ye i would say so, you can always change from unyielding to something else if you don't end up liking it

[lament sonnet]

maybe carapace

[obtuse moth]

no

purge is terrible against carapace

[tender terrace]

anyone got a video of real pwner using scrier? looking for motivation lol

[obtuse moth]

25% more of almost zero damage is still almost zero damage

[teal needle]

Yeah going from .00001 to .00002 damage on carapace not worth a perk

[lament sonnet]

well damn

[obtuse moth]

its not a great talent unfortunately, will be hard to find. good luck on your search!

[tender terrace]

thank you for your helpful reply!

[ornate hamlet]

the gains from scrier arent really that noticeable

[crisp yacht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXr6cIKd-Q

ive tried it in heresy its pretty fun

[viscid matrix]

i had jsut found that video 😄

was about to paste it into the chat

[proud lynx]

What tier can Focused Channeling go ?

[lyric burrow]

I does do some good stuff with Vraks mk3 thats all ive seen of it

[lyric burrow]

Its only one tier

So tier 4 iirc

[viscid matrix]

Scriers is better for melee psyker than gunker

[teal needle]

Is vraks 7 the vraks everyone likes

[viscid matrix]

Vraks 3

its the battle rifle

triple burst

[lyric burrow]

7 is the single shot

I actually like vraks 7 a lot maniac damage is a little sad tho

[obtuse moth]

think its tier 2

[lyric burrow]

Ok my b

But yeah there is no t3 and 4 if its t2

[obtuse moth]

when you crit on mk3 you get 3 crits, synergises well with crit blessings

[lyric burrow]

Is that the only burst fire gun

[obtuse moth]

makes deadly accurate much stronger too (100% more crit damage)

[lyric burrow]

I swear theres another one

Agripinna mk 9?

Might just be going crazy

[obtuse moth]

theres are more burst guns i think but thats what makes mk3 better than mk7

[lyric burrow]

Oh yeah the burst is nutty

Weve all seen the angrycrab video

[sacred pier]

how much damage does soulblaze do and is it worth taking on a brain rupture build?

[feral verge]

alot

worth

[sacred pier]

also, does kinetic flayer have a 15 sec cooldown per enemy, or 15 sec cooldown before it can proc again period.

[feral verge]

15 sec cooldown before it can proc again period

[sacred pier]

ok, ty

[feral verge]

yw

[elder rain]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[feral verge]

voidstrike can struggle against fast moving enemies, unless you have god aim/prediction abilities

so, brain burst/rupture

would be my pick

[obtuse moth]

it does a lot of damage the more stacks you have, but starts up slow. 4 stacks doesnt kill much of anything and 6 stacks can kill a horde, continue up and you can kill alot of elites and specials and bosses

[pearl cove]

Are there any good psyker leveling builds? that don't require many weapon talents?

[obtuse moth]

spam assail and profit

[kind jay]

i use a soulblaze build and generally top the chart

it's very good

[obtuse moth]

wildfire isn't great or even very good but the other two soulblaze applying talents are

[spice veldt]

soulblaze doesn't do much single-target damage, but most soulblaze application methods spread it in an AoE

[ripe yacht]

How do we feel about manifest disrupt destiny?

[kind jay]

the concept is great but the execution is dogshit

[spice veldt]

it's bugged in a way that defeats the purpose of the blessing, since marked enemies occasionally do not glow

[obtuse moth]

oh lmao

i also havent been able to get it to work at all in the meat grinder

[pearl cove]

What are the best ways to apply soulblaze?

[spice veldt]

it doesn't mark enemies for whatever reason if invisibility is on

it also only marks human-sized non-specialist enemies that aren't groaners/poxwalkers

[kind jay]

purge or shriek with the node

perilous combustion is great

i think that was the name

[pearl cove]

Are they talents?

[kind jay]

purge is a staff

perilous is a talent node

shriek is too

both on the left side

[pearl cove]

Ohh I'm using that staff, is it left click or right click to apply soulblaze really good?

I swear my smite does barely any aoe dmg

[kind jay]

don't have an exact answer to that. probably right click with a crit build

[pearl cove]

ahh i need crit I guess

[spice veldt]

right-click has faster soulblaze application than LMB

[kind jay]

crit applies two dots so you want it

[spice veldt]

tru tru thx for posting these hard fax

[kind jay]

or 2 stacks rather

[tender osprey]

i gotchu big homie

[proven stirrup]

Feeling needlessly overpowered being the only way to have one's fun is sus

Fun is subjective but using that reasoning to justify your feedback being so obviously shortsighted is hilarious to me

[fierce crest]

it can be fine

but i dont think thats why darktide is fun

but like, Warframe? i live to be overpowered

[proven stirrup]

Warframe is a husk of a game, I'd not really use that as an example

Its just one massive timegate chain that gets very annoying very fast.

Assail is good at what it does. But it's so good at that one thing it sort of steps on many other classes toes in the process.

All they have to do is solve that problem with it. However they manage to

[ornate hamlet]

whats lmb

[ripe yacht]

I feel like just… hitting the damage takes care of it.

[ornate hamlet]

oh nvm thats pc tlk

[ripe yacht]

I don't know if this has scaling like League does, but if this were league I'd say hit the base damage and keep the scaling. So if you want to go hard into damage amps, it's still really good.

[proven stirrup]

It has a lot of stagger potential on fodder

And it can just take them out

[rich pike]

Anyone willing to help me get my “malleus monstronum” penance done? I don’t have a squad to play a private game

[proven stirrup]

The stagger is what I'd say needs toning down, not the damage

[fierce crest]

PENES

[proven stirrup]

Smite is the CC tool we've been given and it's VERY good at it

[frank moat]

Honestly I’ve been having a lot more luck with Smite than Assail lately, any class can horde clear but if I’m running my space knives and a pack of crushers ganks me there’s only so much I can do

[spice veldt]

as a quickswap weapon, I'm fine with it retaining its damage/stagger
I'd just nerf the ammo

[rich pike]

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT

[fierce crest]

PEENS

[crisp yacht]

just rolled this bad boy up from green. What are ideal blessing and perks on mk 5 blaze swords? or what would you change to it?

[rich pike]

DONT MAKE FUN OF MY SAUSAGE FINGERS

[fierce crest]

uncanny is good, helps with big stuff

[proven stirrup]

But assail being able to clear well isn't the issue, it's being able to stop a hoard of trash in its tracks while it does so

[ripe yacht]

Noticed that… My gut reaction looking at it is that it seems good (30% damage amp on… everything? Plus other benefits? Why not? That sounds amazing) but it feels pretty underwhelming. Seems really hard to maintain stacks, and it seems hard to have more than, like, 10 stacks at any time too.

[spice veldt]

yeah, the 30s node is essentially mandatory

[kind jay]

i bet you're a mesa main

[spice veldt]

and you're never always going to have your marked targets consistently line up in a way that you can just continuously get stacks

[fierce crest]

oberon actually

[spice veldt]

i think marked targets glowing properly would alleviate it

[fierce crest]

i love radiation

[spice veldt]

but as somebody whose part-time job is being a loot goblin, DD is also kind of bad for me

[ripe yacht]

In what way?

[spice veldt]

cuz my stacks will decay as I'm going for plasteel

[kind jay]

great choice tbh

[spice veldt]

dropped like hot potatoes

[proven stirrup]

I do need to go hard and farm up some mats

But it's such a crapshoot anywhere past malice it's hard to commit to it lmao

[rich pike]

Plz halp?

[fierce crest]

:)

[ripe yacht]

Ah.

I just do it anyway 😄

[brazen warren]

Players are always going to gravitate towards the strongest option, regardless of what you do. Assail generally is the strongest option currently between blitz choices, which is to say it is easy to use and effective in a wider range of cases than "nonlethal hard CC or monstrosity/sniper burst". After using all three, I prefer smite but admit assail would be better at hoard management, and brain burst is weaker than every staff option and gun due to opportunity cost associated with its use (charge time and being interrupted by taking damage). Buff smite and BB, but leave assail as is for now.

[proven stirrup]

Yeah screw micromanaging buffs

That shit's exhausting

[spice veldt]

i would like DD if I were not a loot goblin even if it worked properly

[spice veldt]

nah, nerf Assail

[proven stirrup]

Did you even fucking read what he said?

[spice veldt]

it shouldn't have 2.0s regen by default (1.4s with Ethereal Shards)

[fierce crest]

half ammo, double cooldown

[spice veldt]

or 10 max ammo to burst through

[fierce crest]

nope

kill the ammo

[spice veldt]

the very nature of its ammo economy does not encourage you to swap off to your other weapon

[fierce crest]

maybe buff the armor damage a bit

[spice veldt]

because the optimal way of using Assail is quite literally to just spam it

you need to create an incentive to use other weapons, and nerfing the ammo is the straight way of doing that

[crisp yacht]

sweet. just did some googling. should i wait until i can get slaughterer from another weapon and just change one of the perks?

[ripe yacht]

What if you tied ammo recovery to Peril quelling?

[spice veldt]

it'd be interesting, but it's on the gunker tree so I don't want any interplay with peril in that regard

I think peril + ammo is enough management for it

[fierce crest]

forced to block things to get enough peril to get more assail

[spice veldt]

and with the bonuses that you get at high peril

[rich pike]

Please help? 🙃

[ripe yacht]

I mean you could cut the Peril generation entirely and just generate ammo when you quell (which would then encourage you to use other parts of your kit).

[shrewd comet]

i'd rather assail cast two at a time

[fierce crest]

that penes is lame, i want no part of it

[rich pike]

Please, I have no friends for the penes

[ripe yacht]

If you're playing gunker you're probably taking Scrier's Gaze anyway (Btw, how do we feel about Scrier's Gaze?), which means you're generating Peril passively.

[spice veldt]

though that forces you to use a staff

[fierce crest]

or sword

[spice veldt]

scrier's gaze is generally just quite bad--bad to use and bad in feeling

it does provide a net benefit, but that's at the opportunity cost of the other ults

[brazen warren]

I found that using the ammo regen perk actively hurt my gameplay because it limited my flexibility, so I dont take the perk and limit my use of it to 3 shots at a time

[ripe yacht]

Hmm… That lines up with my experience.

[spice veldt]

it's the only ult in the game with a straight up detriment to you

[fierce crest]

based

[ripe yacht]

It seems like it should be good, but also it just feels so risky.

[spice veldt]

yeah

[proven stirrup]

Gaze could stand to be buffed a bit

[spice veldt]

even on Gunker builds, you're probably taking Assail which also uses peril

[ripe yacht]

"Do you want to be better by stabbing yourself?"

Absolutely.

[spice veldt]

so with Scrier's Gaze, it's not like you can just focus on shooting

[slate oasis]

you could make a post in one of the lfg channels and see if anyone bites

[spice veldt]

you have to focus on shooting + managing your peril with the added difficulty of Scrier's

[rich pike]

I’m trying to figure out how to use it now lol thank you

[proven stirrup]

Using it as a buff cooldown is more how it's supposed to work

[gray swift]

anyone have a smite build they really like that doesn't utilize the empowered exploit?

[ripe yacht]

It seems like it should just be amazing… if you can manage your Peril.

But also. Uh.

[proven stirrup]

You don't have to quell to make a point to extend it, you just use the time you get from killing/passive quelling extention

[ripe yacht]

It's so easy to just die.

[shrewd comet]

@gray swift i dooo

wait smite...nvm

[proven stirrup]

The issue is that the "soft duration" it has isn't really doing enough in that time frame

The bonus it gives you should be a bit higher imo. Make it feel like that duration is impactful

[brazen warren]

it goes: SG>Assail/quell until 30 stacks>pull out your gun for 10 seconds to not generate peril

[spice veldt]

yeah it leads to the funny situation where you want to use Scrier's Gaze before engagements and not during

[shrewd comet]

i feel that other builds just do it more effectively without as much effort

[brazen warren]

gunker does not have a good option for dealing with crushers because getting and keeping warp charges is a massive pain in the ass now and BB is harder to utilize because of this too

feels like they wanted us to use DD, but that only seems to work on shooters, and not elites or trash mobs so throw that up time out the window

I guess you could compensate by using deimos force sword but I do not prefer it personally

[sharp shoal]

Rupture is much stronger than assail for aurics

[spice veldt]

depends on the auric

[sharp shoal]

i did a melee auric work scab

and in general i don't like assail

[spice veldt]

I still run Assail on melee maelstrom because I'd just run Trauma + MK4 Duelling Sword for it

because Assail frees up my ranged and melee slot to be the anti-armour options

and BB doesn't do that much DPS

[sharp shoal]

Actually wrong

[spice veldt]

actually true

[proven stirrup]

Here we go

[spice veldt]

BB never did that much DPS before this patch, and it doesn't do that much DPS in this patch

[sharp shoal]

lol

Its better than assail

[spice veldt]

in terms of the build options that the blitzes open up, Assail is better in that regard

[sharp shoal]

Assail will be nerfed soon anyways

[spice veldt]

sure

[sharp shoal]

which makes me happy

[spice veldt]

but at this current moment, Assail is what I would consider better

[sharp shoal]

Blaze rupture is much stronger

[proven stirrup]

I'll admit I have been hard avoiding assail to not get comfortable with it

[sharp shoal]

More cc to

[proven stirrup]

Can't stand playing stuff that isn't operating where it's supposed to. I'd rather adjust to something new I choose to adopt, not be forced to by the devs

[sharp shoal]

And people don't hate me cause I don't use assail

[brazen warren]

you can make BB work, it just feels a bit more restricted now because there are comparisons in the same slot

[lethal lagoon]

Meh, BB is too slow for today's pace, maybe when they release t6 or something.

[sharp shoal]

Bb has much better range than assail

[lethal lagoon]

This is coming as a guy who ran builds where I spent 90% of the time BBin pre-patch

I've never not be able to hit a sniper except on the train mission with assial

[ripe yacht]

What is EP?

[spice veldt]

yeah BB has range, but you're never going to use the full extent of BB's range in 90% of the map sections

[runic hornet]

how do I play Empowered Smite without wanting to fall asleep

[spice veldt]

Empowered Psionics

[ripe yacht]

Ah.

[runic hornet]

Yeah, but you can use it in the most important rooms aka the rooms that kill people because of pixel-sized snipers and the like

[sharp shoal]

Psionics is bugged atm

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/ydfsds

[sharp shoal]

With smite

[runic hornet]

it's not about the most common use case, but the use cases that fucking kill people

yeah that's medium distance

try from one end of the trainyard to the other

not the narrow way but the lengthwise way

[spice veldt]

i think 50m is a reasonable distance

true

BB beats assail on the largest map section

[runic hornet]

50m is "a good veteran can lasgun that without even thinking twice"

some other rooms where assail can't reach are

[spice veldt]

but we're remarking on "can it fill that role"

and "yes it can" is the answer

[runic hornet]

big double decker platform on sewer assassiation

[spice veldt]

it doesn't need to be exceptional about it

but if it can dink a sniper at 50m, then its job is done

[runic hornet]

the approach before the... L bend that leads to the drop?

[sharp shoal]

I don't like the smite bug

[runic hornet]

snipers can spawn on the upper-UPPER platform

and will be untouchable by assails

and most pubs won't even think to look up before they die

[lethal lagoon]

@runic hornet Run Smite-Surge, since smite bonuses hit surge.

I hope that's not a bug, but it sounds like one.

[brazen warren]

I agree that BB has a much greater range advantage than assail, and in that regard it is superior. The problem is that in practice I am consistently mobbed by hordes when snipers show up and cant target them reliably and safely to make use of BB's advantage in that engagement.

[spice veldt]

and unless I'm playing vent snipers, I don't care about needing to dink snipers because that situation is rare in both occurrence and whether assail's range will fail me

[runic hornet]

also, the powercell mid-point event in the desert commshack level

actually, the desert wide-open rooms in general

[runic hornet]

if they spawn snipers you can be in a fuckton of trouble if you went assail/purgatus

[spice veldt]

also, Shield ult

[runic hornet]

the thing is most psyker staffs can just LMB though

which is good enough

[proven stirrup]

Telekine Dome is the goat

[spice veldt]

ranged enemies (alone) straight up just are not a threat

[runic hornet]

just don't go assail/autopistol or assail/purgatus, sniper stand perfectly still to shoot and you can just throw staff LMB orbeez at them

at that point

[brazen warren]

purg cannot infinite channel anymore, correct? I was messing with it in the psykainium and it was only able to channel for 4 seconds or so

[runic hornet]

they'll die in one hit because of the reverse falloff snipers take

so again the range issue of assail isn't particularly pronounced unless you memed yourself on the loadout phase or have your head stuck up your ass and forget about LMB orbeez on your staff

which are so useful you should be throwing them period

even with assails

[brazen warren]

void strike staff is the goat this patch imo

[kind jay]

just tag stuff and let your team kill it

zzzz

[runic hornet]

even with assails, throwing a single LMB orb causes MASSIVE suppression and is the difference between losing half your HP to a shooter squad before the assails kill them all, or effectively stunning them at range

[brazen warren]

yep

[sharp obsidian]

Voidstrike is just broken

[runic hornet]

voidstrike should not have the absurd single target they gave it lul

that should be smite's role

but for some reason they decided to make it a nuclear bomb anyway

[sacred pier]

how do you view this?

[runic hornet]

modzzzzzzzzzzz

also I need 1K + 1K melee kills on psyker

what loadout should I take for this

[sharp obsidian]

Scoreboard mod

[runic hornet]

maybe I hsould try scier's gaze dueling sword

[spice veldt]

illisi + whatever

[runic hornet]

do wildfire kills with your melee weapon out count as melee?

[brazen warren]

illisi for horde management for sure. it does not rip and tear like before, but is still amazing at managing big groups of trash

[runic hornet]

let's find out

well, hrm

never mind, because the things I'm going to be killing with wildfire will just be poxwalkers, not dreg/scabs for quests

[spice veldt]

relevant info for assail

a particularly fun thing to note is that Empowered Psionics doubles the target limit of Assail

[odd siren]

can the purg staff crit?

[tough lake]

Yay or nay for psyker?

[proven stirrup]

Smite has too much CC potential for it to have good damage

It sure can have BETTER damage than it has now but if it excels at single target then it's just gonna be busted for no real reason.

Staves are just weird right now

[sharp shoal]

Charge speed trait with void is nice

[spice veldt]

prob make its LMB the damage portion

make it a targeted blast

and not whatever shitty ass single-target stun it is

[proven stirrup]

Yeah that's what the ability says it should be

[spice veldt]

I do not like how it's a continuous fire option mode

[proven stirrup]

But the lmb as of now is just a smaller, non-fps-hungry CC tool

[spice veldt]

should just be a short-ranged blast that you can quick-swap to

[proven stirrup]

I mean I don't think they're going to give us a pocket surge staff

[spice veldt]

limit the range of the LMB to something like 5m

or less

[proven stirrup]

Yeah nah, I'd rather it actually have range

I don't care about it needing to be channeled, it just isn't worth doing unless you need to pin down a horde of specials or something

[spice veldt]

though it's never going to have that much damage if it has range

i prefer it to be a high-damage short-ranged option that you can just pull out for whatever reason

[proven stirrup]

I don't care, I don't want it to have "that much damage" it just needs more than it has right now

[spice veldt]

it needs to have enough damage to incentivize you to use it in the first place

and enough damage to compete with the use case of its RMB

[proven stirrup]

I mean the use case of it's RMB is trading frames for hard mass CC

[spice veldt]

if it's longer-ranged but has mediocre damage, then I'm not really going to pull it out for much

[livid maple]

yo the dueling sabre is awesome

[spice veldt]

yes

[livid maple]

and i thought the force sword was good

[spice veldt]

but what about the LMB?

[sharp shoal]

Mark 4 is one of the best

I sometimes use mark 2 tho

[tough agate]

Can anyone help me do Malleus Monstonum for the chest armor?

[proven stirrup]

The LMB just needs more damage than it has. If it could oneshot unarmored primary targets, I'd be ok with it.

[spice veldt]

yeah, that's the type of damage I'm talking about

[proven stirrup]

It doesn't need to be melee range for it to do that

But I don't often need the sheer breadth of control the RMB has MOST of the time

[spice veldt]

well it's a tradeoff

[proven stirrup]

The LMB can hold down smaller groups just fine on its own

[spice veldt]

and I'd rather a 5m attack with more damage than 25m-10m with less damage

[proven stirrup]

I'd rather it be a 10m attack with more damage.

I'm not concerned with balancing this shit that tightly

Make shit good

[spice veldt]

it generates a decent amount of peril, and the stunlock spreads rather slowly for the LMB

[proven stirrup]

We have auric maelstroms, we're not going to be overpowering that shit anytime soon

[spice veldt]

well, we kind of are

[lyric burrow]

idk theres been plenty of op stuff in this game

[spice veldt]

ogryn has their gunlugger stuff

[proven stirrup]

Maybe assail is

[spice veldt]

zealot has their one-shotting full hp plogryn stuff

[proven stirrup]

But this would not make Smite the new assail

It's got much more of a reasonable target limit

[lyric burrow]

you can not be assail and still be OP though

[proven stirrup]

Nice joke

We're talking about a hypothetical smite buff

[lyric burrow]

i know

[brazen warren]

honestly if they made the lmb only hit one target with longer range and make it stun the target faster, I would be fine if it dealt the same damage. right now there is no reason to use the lmb at all over the rmb

[proven stirrup]

I think I may have skipped over some context I have in my head

[lyric burrow]

im saying i think it is important to balance things tighter than they usually are

[proven stirrup]

I propose that the buff to smite's LMB damage not extend past the primary target

or at least have steep falloff per chain

[lyric burrow]

wouldnt that just make it free surge?

unless its less damage

[proven stirrup]

We aren't sharing numbers here

[spice veldt]

i'd just make it targeted

[proven stirrup]

The numbers are Fatshark's job

[spice veldt]

add some mechanical requirement to a blitz for once

i mean, we can discuss vague breakpoints

[lyric burrow]

i mean my issue with that is its either worse surge or better surge at which point something is invalidated

[spice veldt]

i don't get why you are so adamant about not even approaching it vaguely

[lyric burrow]

it would be awkward to dance around

because things can only play so many roles

[brazen warren]

buff surge, make the aoe cc the default mode for smite

[proven stirrup]

I guess I'm not academic enough for this topic then. I'll bow out

[lyric burrow]

i didnt say that

i was just voicing my opinion on that change

[proven stirrup]

No, I did.

[viscid matrix]

smite seconday has a 90dps so it can kill trash in about 4seconds

[proven stirrup]

I'm not about to get hung up on the numbers, that's how I lose my love for the game rapidly

[lyric burrow]

arcos idea of less range for faster use would give it different use case

[proven stirrup]

So I'll just back off. No sweat.

[lyric burrow]

alright

[spice veldt]

and instant stun

it should at least be able to frame 1 guardbreak bulwarks or something along those lines

hmmm

[lyric burrow]

yeah that would be really neat actually

[viscid matrix]

people asking for smite to get a damage increase, when its hands down the best CC tool in the game

[spice veldt]

i suppose if we lean into the stagger more

[lyric burrow]

you just need to do a lot with CC in this game to make it good

[spice veldt]

though we have to give the LMB a meaningful use case over the RMB

that's why my first idea was to give the LMB more damage

[lyric burrow]

so are we keeping RMB the same then

in this example

[spice veldt]

proll

y

might as well just fix it to be the same for now

[lyric burrow]

i dont even mind RMB

[potent echo]

Best cc tool in the game is zealot pulse, smite needs to be close to that

[lyric burrow]

just LMB being dumb

[spice veldt]

CDR shenanigans aside, it is on a cooldown

[viscid matrix]

LMB smite does 200 damage when you go from 0 to 100

[lyric burrow]

yeah that is literally

one assail shard

to more than one target ofc

[potent echo]

1 shard does more on headshot

[viscid matrix]

smite can lock down a tonne of enemies at once, assail doesnt compare

[lyric burrow]

but even for its CC that not enough on LMB cause i can kill it even with bad weapons

sure but assail kills them instead

CC in this game has always had issues shining aside from particular use cases not guarenteed to show up in every game

[potent echo]

The only valuable thing on smite is stunning a strike team of specials but wall does pretty much the same thing kind of

[lyric burrow]

because everything else kills it

[viscid matrix]

damage may be shit, but its a cone of nothing can move, that also boosts everyone elses damage

[spice veldt]

and not being fun if you just straight up lock enemies down

[lyric burrow]

Unless you have no form of CC and your doing melee only maelstrom it comes in handy

smite also relies on teammates

which shouldnt be a flaw on paper but is in practice

[potent echo]

It's always about the opportunity cost though, like you can be doing anything else

Like trauma, purge, void

[lyric burrow]

yeah i agree generally

[viscid matrix]

increasing the other 3 players damage by 10% against a monstrocity is very useful

[potent echo]

No.... You can contribute alot more yourself

[spice veldt]

if you're doing a setup, sure

and are in a premade with guaranteed boss damage

[potent echo]

And if you have a TH zealot, they don't need your help anyway

[viscid matrix]

10% increase base damage is actually a lot, especially with all the increases everyone adds to that

[potent echo]

Or a rumbler ogryn

[spice veldt]

though it's only while smite is active

[lyric burrow]

tbf with EP thats less of an issue atm

[spice veldt]

and it's even less than what Cerebral Lacerations used to be

[potent echo]

And if the boss is focusing you, good luck channeling smite

When the boss is focusing another person, your smite only helps 2 people

[lyric burrow]

like 10% damage is nice but you arent contributing damage and there has to be very little else goingon

[potent echo]

If at all

[viscid matrix]

Support Psyker, Dome Shield, Smite and Surge staff
locks down and kills a single target or everything in the room

[potent echo]

It's not a lab scenario where the boss doesn't move

[viscid matrix]

its not just 10% damage, its 10% base damage increase, that will add up to a lot

[spice veldt]

well yeah multiplicative +10% damage

but like I said

in pub games, whether you'll get teammates with good boss DPS is rather probablistic

and whether +10% multiplicative from your teammates will be worth the loss of your contribution

[brazen warren]

you know what is a cool tech with smite aoe? you can cancel the channel after about 1 sec to knock all the regular trash on their asses.

[spice veldt]

e.g., suppose that everyone does equal damage, outputting 400% to a boss
With smite, that drops down to 330%

[runic hornet]

it might be relevant on like... beast of nurgle when you don't have an angle

or are the one actively kiting

[spice veldt]

it's not very hard for other classes to overcome the boss DPS of psyker but I really am not going to bring Smite to a pub game for +10% damage to 3 teammates

[runic hornet]

but otherwise, nah

[viscid matrix]

usualy not everyone is focusing 100% on the boss, sometimes there is a mixed horde attacking at the same time

[brazen warren]

you see a sub optimal talent for pubs, I see a free talent point 🙂

[runic hornet]

yeah that's another downside

[brazen warren]

extra toughness go!

[lyric burrow]

id honestly argue thats a point against it

[runic hornet]

usually bosses go like 1-2 people on boss and the other 2-3 are clearing

until any horde/specials are dead and it's only the boss

[brazen warren]

cant even stun a boss with smite, big L

[lyric burrow]

if you have one guy focusing and you stunning youd be way better off just helping in DPS

on either side

its nice for the guy fighting the boss

[runic hornet]

well the thing is empowered smite actually kills decently fast if you can get a massive number of poxwalker targets

like

empowered smite is unironically a good mixed horde killer.

because you deepfry literally everything

[lyric burrow]

but unless he can nuke it then the situation will get worse gradually

[runic hornet]

but yeah for actually burning the boss, hit it with literally anything

don't smite it for 10% debuff lol

[spice veldt]

smite does have a wide area coverage so if a teammate can't hold down a chokepoint to prevent adds during a boss fight

but without EP, this stun is very intermittent

and once again, relies on your teammates

why the fuck does deimos's l1 knock bursters to the forward-right

[lyric burrow]

im surprised it doesnt just kill them lol

[viscid matrix]

one of the reasons for going a build with smite, is to aim to support your allies

[spice veldt]

not op enough 😔

[spice veldt]

but i'd hope to achieve similar worth with other builds

[lyric burrow]

wait why you L1ing the poxburster anyway

[spice veldt]

memes

why should support builds be worse

[novel ginkgo]

Best weapons to use with scriers gaze?

[runic hornet]

light attacking bursters on their jump means you save stamina don't you

[lyric burrow]

vraks mk 3 is good

[spice veldt]

only problem is that the deimos l1 deals like 1000 damage on a headshot

so if someone's dealt 400-ish damage (cough cough missed trauma staff cough), you're going to blow yourself up

[lyric burrow]

illisi/mk4 DS are generally good although id run illisi with vraks 3 to help with hordes

[spice veldt]

it is one of the worse lights to use on bursters because of how much damage it does lamayo

[lyric burrow]

Auto pistol is also prob fine

[novel ginkgo]

uhmmm, never really tried vraks

[runic hornet]

it's a gun

shoot people

[lyric burrow]

i dont trust hitting poxbursters every time i do i have 20000 damage stacks up and explode

[spice veldt]

slap Headhunter + Deadly Accurate on it

[lyric burrow]

aim at heads

click on heads

profit

its a 3 round burst

[unique mist]

Is this a DAMMIT?

[spice veldt]

at least with Duelling Sword's special, it deals like 150 damage to bursters so it's reliable with them

[spice veldt]

at least 3/4 of the sword will be good

[lyric burrow]

if you swap blessings its servicable

[spice veldt]

unless you don't care about maniac

[unique mist]

I assume both blessings and flak are swaps

[spice veldt]

ye

[unique mist]

fuck

[spice veldt]

t1 uncanny strike isn't terrible because rending% is additive now

[viscid matrix]

thats really good, just swap both blessings for what you want

[spice veldt]

and you have an 80% penetration stat

[runic hornet]

maniac/flak perks are fine

maniacs are mutie dps and flak is flak

[unique mist]

blessings make most of the difference anyway

[spice veldt]

so, realistically, you're only losing ~15% damage (for all armour types, including carapace) from not having t4 uncanny strike

[novel ginkgo]

I'll try that setup

[spice veldt]

well 15% damage is a good amount actually

hmm

[viscid matrix]

Elites:

• Crushers - Carapace
• Bulwarks - Carapace arms and boots and shield, Unyielding everywhere else
• Reapers - Unyeilding, Flak Chest, carapace boots and glvoes
• Scab Gunners - Flack everything except thighs
• Dreg Armoured Gunners - Flak body and head, unarmoued arms and legs
• Dreg Unarmoued gunners - Unarmoured
• Dreg Shotgunners - Flak body, unarmoured head, arms and legs
• Scab Ragers - Flak
• Dreg Ragers - Maniac
• Scab Maulers - Carapace head, flak everything else

Specialists:

• Poxburster - Infested
• Scab Flamer - Maniac
• Dreg Flamer - Maniac
• Scab Bomber - Flak
• Scab Sniper - Unarmoured
• Scab Trapper - Maniac
• Mutants - Maniac
• Poxhounds - Infested

its actually a lot of things that are maniac and flak

[spice veldt]

yeah Flak is a lot of enemies, but at the same time I don't really care about flak enemies

you two-shot ragers anyways; scab shotgunners are whatever and I don't care about one-shotting them if that has an opportunity cost

[lyric burrow]

some stuff is only flak in some spots

actually

[spice veldt]

you one-shot scab bruisers anyways

[lyric burrow]

you listed them all

wait is bomber head maniac

[viscid matrix]

yep, you can see them all if you go to pins and scroll down

[lyric burrow]

i forget

[spice veldt]

bomber's head is flak

for some reason

[lyric burrow]

ok nvm

that feels weird to me actually

i feel like that would be maniac

[spice veldt]

ikr

head made out of metal

[unique mist]

so what you are saying is

swap flak and rampage

[spice veldt]

maaaaaybe

[lyric burrow]

your pick

depends what you value

[spice veldt]

but t4 uncanny strike is also a global +15% damage onto t1 uncanny (except to unarmoured/infested)

[unique mist]

or just swap both blessings

[spice veldt]

it ees what it ees

[unique mist]

i'll just swap both blessings when i can

want should i swap rampage to

i'm running a crit assail build with the dodge on crits and +50% dodge duration/+1 dodge

[spice veldt]

riposte/shred/precognition; my opinion is that riposte is the best among them except for melee maelstrom and monstrosity maelstrom

oh if you're doing assail spam, precog might be better

i think precog affects assail if it's up

lemme see

[unique mist]

i wouldn't say that

i'm just running assail

i'm only spamming when a horde is boutta wipe my team

[lyric burrow]

i also like riposte

[spice veldt]

o

then riposte if you're not assail gaming too hard

[lyric burrow]

destroys muties too

[unique mist]

otherwise voidstrike machine gunning with transfer peril or scriers gaze/melee memes

i am one of those rare few running scriers

[spice veldt]

deranged

[unique mist]

and guess what

i'm also running warp charges

absolutely unhinged

even though it's bugged with scriers

[spice veldt]

taking mind in motion 😔

no wait

you don't need that

i was thinking of venting shriek

[lyric burrow]

arco moment

idk what that means

[spice veldt]

very rude

[lyric burrow]

i tried scriers with melee and never ended up using it

[unique mist]

also what's the highest % max health roll for a curio blessing?

[lyric burrow]

might not be used to it

22?

[spice veldt]

age of drinking in the US (idk if it's the same in all states)

21%

[unique mist]

oh yeah well nyeahh i'm in australia and the age of drinking is 18 here

thanks

[lyric burrow]

its not

21 is like

way higher than most states iirc

[spice veldt]

damn

[silent bay]

is this a decent sword to get me started?

[spice veldt]

ye

mobility, cleave damage, and penetration are dump stats so that's a fine sword

[silent bay]

mobility/cleave are dump stats on the mk iv right?

awesome

what about desired perks and blessings?

[unique mist]

why is mob and pen dump stats?

[spice veldt]

Carapace/Unyielding/Maniac/+Crit Chance

crits do genuinely let you hit certain one-shot bps on all enemies

though the bonus is low in exchange for being generally applying

I'd prioritize Carapace because of the mauler/crusher patrols, unless you're running a voidstrike to kill them in which case it's whatever

Maniac is whatever since I don't find special waves to be challenging (assuming that you're running Assail)

[atomic zephyr]

is riposte or shred better for DSwords?

[spice veldt]

pick whatever suits your build

I'd say Riposte because it lasts 6 seconds nowadays

at least with shred, I do miss my attacks a fair bit

[runic hornet]

shred and dsimilar drop all the time because your teammates will kill enemies you're aiming for

[silent bay]

what are dump stats for the Mk VI surge force staff?

[potent echo]

Riposte is more useful for the use case of dodging mutants then striking them

[silent bay]

figured its a good idea to get at least one decent weapon of each type in my inventory

[potent echo]

Dodging mutants actually procs riposte and other dodge talents

[potent echo]

Do you have an image? I don't have memory of the 5 stats

Damage, crit bonus, warp gen, quelling speed

I forgot the last one

[spice veldt]

tsk tsk tsk

charge rate

[silent bay]

sorry

[spice veldt]

i remember it because I particularly remembered the pre-patch surge staff for its horrible charge rate scaling (2.7s to 1.8s)

[silent bay]

here you go

[potent echo]

I think warp resist is dump

Quell speed semi dump

[silent bay]

i assume dmg/crit are the best stats

[potent echo]

Im like a few hp off killing scab gunners 1 shot with fully charge 80% damage surge

Need some help from warp power on crit

[silent bay]

do you guys ever use guns on your psykers?

[potent echo]

Or warpcharges or dd etc

I don't really, if I wanted guns I'll just use a vet or an ogin

[silent bay]

i know there are a lot of guns that are op specific, but i imagine theres some decent ones in the general pool right?

[potent echo]

MGXII kantrael lasgun you can't go wrong

Vraks3 headhunteris a nice gun

[molten schooner]

Anyone got a good brain burst skill tree for reference? Building one for taking out single targets and using surge staff + Dclaw

[potent echo]

Revovler is actually a very good pick

[silent bay]

so that surge staff i linked is meh then?

[potent echo]

Brainburst and surge actually competes since they are both single target

[runic hornet]

revolver applying its rending blessing to assails is apparently "meta" right now

in terms of making assails even stupider

[potent echo]

Preferably take a trauma/purge or use assail/surge

[runic hornet]

is it necessary? ...probably not

[potent echo]

If you have assail you probably don't need guns tho

[spice veldt]

yeeeee haaaaaaaaawwww

[molten schooner]

i thought it had a lil bit of aoe no?

[potent echo]

No surge hits like

2 things

[verbal bear]

wait hand cannon perk works on assails too?

[runic hornet]

surge hits 1 target for high damage and a second target for medium/low damage

[potent echo]

Like that's it

[molten schooner]

lmao

I see

[unreal osprey]

Does 2 of the same auras on a psyker stack? Like 2 psykers running crit chance?

[potent echo]

No

Unless?

[silent bay]

are either of these blessings good?

[potent echo]

I assume this is dueling sword?

[spice veldt]

both are fine

[silent bay]

yeah, its my old one

[potent echo]

And yes both are good

[molten schooner]

Thanks for the assistance, Gui. Will try it out

[silent bay]

i was gonna extract the blessing from it but wasnt sure which one to take

[molten schooner]

Any skill trees for reference on that regard?

[unreal osprey]

ty

[molten schooner]

Let me show mine:

[potent echo]

I actually don't like 10% peril quelled on 10% of kills

It screws up venting shriek

Sometimes I want to cast and shriek but oops now peril is below 80%

[spice veldt]

i'd just say shred

not that because I think it's better or anything, but to make you make a choice since it is a hard choose between them

[molten schooner]

Changed it for courage, you're right about this

[silent bay]

good enough for me, tyvm

[potent echo]

I also don't pick either brainburst talents

But I'm a little troll

If you are going full EP you probably still want the discount KB

But not the random mind flayer is kinda bad

Esp now it doesn't give you warp charges anymore

[molten schooner]

what does EP and KB mean? lol

[potent echo]

Empower psionics is bottom middle keystone

KB is top left brain burst talent

Faster brain burst after F

[spice veldt]

Kinetic Resonance nowadays 😔

[molten schooner]

I see, and the mind flayer one you mentioned is? I'm a bit lost with terminology because my game is in a different language

[spice veldt]

(why did they make these subtle name changes)

[potent echo]

The other brain burst talent

[primal plume]

Smite and Creeping flames feels like a nice combo

i like it

[potent echo]

That gives random chance to brainburst

Oh kinetic flayer now ok

[molten schooner]

Oh nice. Why is it bad? lol

[spice veldt]

nah it was always kinetic flayer

that one stayed

[potent echo]

It doesn't do anything

[spice veldt]

god bless kinetic flayer

so, the major problem is that it has a cooldown of 15 seconds

[potent echo]

Maybe if you get lucky it procs on a crusher

[spice veldt]

at least before the skill tree update, kinetic flayer used to help maintain warp charges back when Brain Rupture and Warp Charges were tied together as a mechanic

but since it's just for damage now, a 15 second cooldown turns out to be practically useless except for swag

[molten schooner]

Perfect. Thanks for the feedback guys

Will run it one more time to test it out

you're all based

[near wyvern]

It used to, now it definitely should since crits increase stagger and stagger decreases hit mass so even if it doesn't at least the next swing will have easier time to cleave.

[near wyvern]

That wasn't a problem before because it used to generate warp charges. Now that it's damage only, the 10% proc chance and 15 sec internal cooldown make it very underwhelming.

[spice veldt]

and no AP crusher one-shot memes

[near wyvern]

Yup

[viscid matrix]

just noticed, i think this should be 50% damage reduction, unless you tested and its actually 10%

[near wyvern]

The text "effective against carapace armour" under BB is a fucking joke.

[viscid matrix]

it still does like 1k damage

[unique mist]

it's really nice

[hushed pike]

Is this a bad laspistol?

for ordo dockets

[near wyvern]

Ahh my mistake, leftover from leaked stuff

[viscid matrix]

all good

[spark fractal]

massively increases the dps on brain rupture, but...overall i think psyker might still have the lowest boss dps

[near wyvern]

If a description doesn't match functionality I have a bullet point for it

[viscid matrix]

also should put 1 warp charge = 100% cooldown reduction instead of 7.5% bug for the shield

[spark fractal]

go for it, the cost is low, the only thing ordo dockets are good for is cosmetics after a certain point, because your crafting is limited by plasteel, you'll end up having millions of extra dockets and thousands of extra diamantine

[near wyvern]

Every 20 seconds or so...

[viscid matrix]

that pistol is a good holdover until you get a BIS one with mobility as a dump stat

[kind wren]

Im trying a Scrier build, but i dont know what weapons to use... any pointers?

[hushed pike]

stab doesn't seem that bad tbh on it, but yeah mob would be best dump.

[near wyvern]

Yeah I have still many things to add

[spark fractal]

it's a lot more effective than the other blitz options psyker has, so it's all relative

[unique mist]

but not as effective as voidstrike lol

why is voidstrike just so good

[viscid matrix]

it can 3hit a damnation crusher, maybe with all the buffs you can 2shot 😄

[viscid matrix]

it ignores all amour, and does like 1500 damage on a crit headshot

[spark fractal]

people are too obsessed with the "perfect" roll imo, you'll never notice a difference between 50% and 80% on most of the non-damage rolls, because the range on those is already very limited, like 50% might be 1.5 recoil and 80% might be 1.4 recoil, just to use made up numbers

[spice veldt]

mobility is sprint speed/dodge distance, which is whatever. It's nice to have, but not essential since you get straight up i-frames against ranged attacks and basically i-frames against melee attacks.

For Penetration, the existence of Uncanny Strike makes it mostly "a nice to have thing" but ultimately not essential to your damage output. With full uncanny strike stacks up, an 80% Penetration mk4 duelling sword will only deal 6.8% more damage to Carapace than a 0% penetration DS

[viscid matrix]

inspect a weapon, and mouse over the yellow bars of the modifiers, you will see exactly what it does

[viscid matrix]

i decided i didnt need carapace or warp nexus for my staff, and its working out well for me

[spice veldt]

there is a rather stringent breakpoint on two-shotting crushers (with one crit) w/o any other damage buffs at nearly 80/80/80 dmg/finesse/pen, but that's not something I'd invest resources into unless you're deranged

[spark fractal]

because it was the worst staff before, so they kind of over-corrected, still, it takes time to charge, and the aoe is small and not super damaging, so you can still lose using it, like it's not good when you're being attacked from 2-3 angles at once, and it's only okay vs shooter mobs

[spice veldt]

brain rupture 😔

[viscid matrix]

no buffs, and i did 1020 to crusher with the image above, those damage numbers might be slightly off

[kind wren]

Im thinking blaze sword for the primary but idk if its any good in higher missions

[spice veldt]

+10% elite aura

[spark fractal]

blazing spirit kind of a waste, very few situations where you'd crit something and have blazing spirit make a difference, 3 stacks is like, 25 hp a sec or something super low

[viscid matrix]

ahh i forgot about that 😄

[spice veldt]

same

[viscid matrix]

i have the 5 weakspot crit, so i crit pretty often

[spice veldt]

back when it was the only aura, that fucking +10% threw my calculations off when I forgot about it

[viscid matrix]

we should get that BR numbers pinned

[spice veldt]

prob have pygex write it into his guide or something

so many pins

and why are pins in this phone-sized menu god damn

[viscid matrix]

because some people like shit ux like that

[spice veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-gif-25651926

[dim grotto]

I can’t find a way to make a heavy las pistol feel good on tier 5 missions… even with full crit build it just feels so slow

[viscid matrix]

also the gurenteed crit is for all enemies hit with that projectile

[spark fractal]

i'm kind of disappointed at the support gunpsykers got through the talent tree, if we could get 50%+ rend (or even 25% would do) like vets, that would go a long way, but without it our guns fall behind very fast

[subtle flame]

how does one do pick n mix?

[keen harbor]

pick what? skills? weapon blessings and perks?

[spice veldt]

with Kinetic Resonance, Empowered Psionics, and crack cocaine

Commsplex is a map with guaranteed Gunner/Shotgunner spawns at the midevent that come from the back area where you drop down into

[subtle flame]

what is kinetic resonance?

[spice veldt]

oh wait

[potent echo]

The achievement/penance

[spice veldt]

can you use Brain Rupture for pick n' mix?

i've been hearing mixed news about that

[vale creek]

how u make big shield?

[potent echo]

Telekine shield > dome

[molten schooner]

It works

[potent echo]

Beek shield

[molten schooner]

Just completed my first auric maelstrom with the build

🙂

[vale creek]

o ok

[potent echo]

Nice

What build though exactly

[spark fractal]

do it on heresy, more things die to 1 shot from empowered brainburst there

[molten schooner]

the one i sent above and with your guys input

brain burst + trauma staff + psyker sword thingy whose name i forgot

[potent echo]

Force sword

[molten schooner]

force sword

[subtle flame]

are ragers elites?

[steel flame]

sure why not

[potent echo]

Yes they are

[steel flame]

no no you are supposed to play hard to get so they have to ask more questions

[molten schooner]

me when the gamers are turning the channels into a tinder simulator or something

[spice veldt]

don't go into zealot chat

[keen harbor]

literally couldn't talk about builds or ask questions in zealot chat, because it was drowned out by all the zealots singing.

[steel flame]

I'm very addicted to scrier/destiny right now

[keen harbor]

oh, is it working now?

[toxic forge]

Whats that armory website everyone uses to look at the armory

[spice veldt]

it's a browser extension that you'll have to install first

[steel flame]

I dunno something about being able to run around at 155% speed with a sword running people through the face is just the best and I don't even have to play zealot

[fierce crest]

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-boom-nuke-nuclear-bomb-gif-20734003

[spice veldt]

8 m/s with duelling sword

literally double your walking speed (4 m/s)

god damn pedestrians

[steel flame]

It's ridiculous

And destiny and crit speed boost is basically permanent with how easy it is to get both

[silent bay]

what are dump stats on this?

[steel flame]

Answer is none of the above

Probably quell now

[keen harbor]

quell speed can be overcome with that +30% quell speed skill on the left

[steel flame]

Used to be you kinda needed all of them

[silent bay]

how big of a jump is it going from malice to heresy?

[keen harbor]

training wheels come off, and mistakes are punished severely

[silent bay]

i take it mastering melee combat is probably best before making the jump

well maybe not mastering but being able to use it correctly

[spice veldt]

mmm you can probably ignore melee combat especially as a psyker

[keen harbor]

if you take almost no damage in malice, you are ready for damnation

[steel flame]

Then in damnation you fuck up you immediately find out

[spice veldt]

knowing how dodges would probably be the most important thing in my head so far

so, for ranged attacks, you get straight up i-frames on dodges, sliding, and sprinting perpendicularly to enemies

that's the Ranged Dodge that's lso referenced in the description of Empathic Evasion

[gilded radish]

most people in hersey dont know what they are doing, and in damnation you can get lucky and have good players on your team

[spice veldt]

against melee, dodges have a similar effect to i-frames except the game checks for how close you are to the enemy

so you can think of dodges as shortening the range of the melee attack

[keen harbor]

It also helps to know how much reach melee hits have

[spice veldt]

the degree to which this shortening occurs is on a per-attack basis (have fun memorizing this)

[keen harbor]

like you'd be surprised at how long those arms are, because server lag or something

like 5m long arms on everything

[spice veldt]

but if it's not a running attack or a rager/sword captain's 4-hit combo, the rule of thumb is that you can usually dodge melee attacks with proper timing

[silent bay]

oh my slide was unbound

[keen harbor]

does slide even work? I tried it and couldn't slide

[silent bay]

i thought it was just hitting ctrl after sprinting

didnt know there was a button in the keybind

[keen harbor]

I had to do the bind crouch and dodge to spacebar to slide

[spice veldt]

tbh the player character also has long arms

you can outrange the sword captain with most melee weapons

[fierce crest]

you cant make me

[wet belfry]

I think with a good build rn heresy should still be pretty easy.

[silent bay]

oh you can have space bar be both crouch and dodge?

and then just no jump?

[spice veldt]

p much, though imo that's kind of sketch

[keen harbor]

no, I rebound jump to ctrl

[spice veldt]

try it and see how it is

[keen harbor]

because throwing items onto ledges is a thing

[silent bay]

id rather keep jump space

[spice veldt]

well i suppose you're not crouching alone in games anyways

[silent bay]

but c is unused so maybe i can have that be slide

[spice veldt]

hmm

and you know about dodge-slides right

[keen harbor]

c to slide? but then how are you going to slide right?

[fierce crest]

i have jump on V

cuz thats where my thumb rests anyway

[silent bay]

guess i dont know about dodge-slide

more i-frames i presume?

[spice veldt]

dodge-sliding is just entering a slide from a dodge

[fierce crest]

crouch right after dodging

[silent bay]

ahh okay

[spice veldt]

yeah, dodge-slides have the best uptime on ranged i-frames

[keen harbor]

that's how everyone did it before this patch

[silent bay]

yeah i can see why space bar is nice for that

[spice veldt]

however, they come at the cost of counting twice towards your dodge limit

[fierce crest]

if you do it too early youll crouch during the dodge, if too late youll crouch after the dodge

do it right and you dont crouch, just slide

[silent bay]

and the benefit is more iframes and you go further i presume?

[keen harbor]

game needs better control layout, for sure

[floral cape]

Surge + warp flurry
Surge + warp nexus

For VS which do yall prefer

[limber heath]

lowkey if you can dodge slide you're probably good for heresy

[fierce crest]

yeah, really nice vs stuff like muties, dogs, trappers

[silent bay]

i can chill in malice while i try to get used to the controls

play around with the keybinds

i nuke everything with the voidstaff but i imagine offense isnt the issue in higher difficulty

its staying alive

[keen harbor]

I want like a foot pedal for slide and crouch, so I can jump with spacebar

[fierce crest]

i mean

best defense and all that

[silent bay]

well i just mean with increased hp pools for the enemies not absolutely everything is getting one shot

[fierce crest]

true but a lot of stuff will stagger what it doesnt kill

esp the void staff

[spice veldt]

ye, dodge-slides give you slightly more distance on dodges
On Psyker, you don't really need it since our cooldown between consecutive dodges is short
It'll be more helpful on Vet who has a longer consecutive dodge interval if you need more distance on dodging away from a poxburster

[fierce crest]

oh yeah

[limber heath]

staying alive is the problem in higher difficulties but that's usually borne from sheer quantity rather than enemies not getting oneshot

[fierce crest]

poxbursters are the best thing to dodge slide

[silent bay]

sounds good, seems like just a general game sense skill to get comfortable doing

[fierce crest]

shove them and dodge slide back

[keen harbor]

The biggest issue in Heresy and Damnation is not being caught separated from team when something you can't deal with solo spawns

[fierce crest]

and you win

[spice veldt]

and bringing generalist loadouts

[fierce crest]

4 crushers my beloved

[spice veldt]

once you figure out the generalist loadouts, it should be smooth sailing for not dying to certain enemy compositions

[keen harbor]

4 muties and pack of hounds

[limber heath]

I've started just only bringing thammer on my zealot because I'm convinced any time I don't bring it I have 3 other people with no monster options.

[fierce crest]

multi muties are funny but i feel like they dont kill you as hard as other stuff

[spice veldt]

thammer hordeclear is fine nowadays right

(except against flak)

[limber heath]

yea, its entirely fine. cleave got buffed and i finally got slaughterer.

[fierce crest]

i mean

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

[fierce crest]

most melee arent bad vs monsters

[keen harbor]

rumbler ogryn makes most monsters trivial

[fierce crest]

feels like the average melee is much better than the average ranged

[spice veldt]

melee not being affected by suppression and not having as a high of a mechanical skill requirement also helps

as long as you can press button good, you're prob fine in melee

[fierce crest]

just get up in that slugs butt

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

[fierce crest]

slap its goo sack

[keen harbor]

You can stunlock slug with full charge voidstrike into its bum

[fierce crest]

youre under arrest

[keen harbor]

I wish the same could be said about voidstrike against chaos spawn or plague ogryn

[fierce crest]

thats what zealot yell is for

[keen harbor]

ogryn rumbler can do it too

vet...

there's also the ogryn shovel uppercut, but that only works against chaos spawn

[night marten]

what's up psykers, been a while. how's the class with the new update?

[keen harbor]

from dead last to 2nd strongest

[spice veldt]

we're the new autopistol vet

[night marten]

oh no kidding? hell yea, I thought we were solid before

[spice veldt]

only problem is that our boss DPS is very meh

[keen harbor]

voidstrike is cracked now
surge works differently

[spice veldt]

but it ees what it eees

[river dawn]

Guys which duelling sowrd is best paired with purgatus?

[keen harbor]

I got that in metal fab

[spice veldt]

the stagger strength of the ult scales on peril, and horde enemies in groups seem to have some stagger resistance

[keen harbor]

You can try a trauma staff

[spice veldt]

the MK4 is just straight up the best among them for now

its heavies deal noticeable more damage, and the others have no significant advantage over the MK4

[river dawn]

Oh sweet, thanks for the info! Gonna build myself a mk4!

[lavish forge]

has the curio meta changed? I used to run toughness on all of them and then Health,Toughness and Gunner resist.

[near wyvern]

Depends completely on the stat and the weapon. For example I can notice the difference of trauma 70% and 80% charge rate roll.

[limber heath]

still just personal preference regarding what you're comfortable with.

[spark fractal]

really? what's the difference between 70% and 80%? i'm not sure it's higher than most people's reaction time

i take 2 toughness + 1 wound, and then toughness + health 5% on each, another 45%+ toughness, 50% more wounds on damnation, and 15% health, it's a good haul

[spice veldt]

trauma is probably the weapon with the widest stat scaling in the game

well, I don't know about ogryn weapons or the weapons that had their stats changed with this update

[spark fractal]

so 10% charge speed is 0.15 charge speed?

[spice veldt]

ye

[spark fractal]

that's really, really hard to notice

though the difference between 50% and 80% would be, that's almost half a second

[spice veldt]

though quite a bit more noticeable than the other staffs

[chrome patrol]

if youre sourrounded by a ton of crushers it feels alot to me

[silent bay]

im sorry to ask again, but i can do the actual slide button in the keybinds doesnt need to be bound right?

[spice veldt]

doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme of things though

[silent bay]

you do the dodge slide using dodge+crouch right?

[spark fractal]

well half a second every charge attack does make a pretty big difference though

[cyan notch]

150ms is pretty noticable

[keen harbor]

yeah, I have slide unbound. It's a new addition in this patch.

[spice veldt]

o there's a slide input now?

[keen harbor]

I couldn't get it to work

[spice veldt]

hmm yeah

[keen harbor]

I bound "slide" to space, and then I couldn't dodge anything, because it didn't slide

[spice veldt]

it's not working for me either

not implemented yet i suppose

i guess that keybind is made specifically for people who want crouch/dodge on the same keybind

[keen harbor]

maybe it's a controller bind? IDK

[spice veldt]

ooh that's true

[spark fractal]

it might be for hardcore fps players lagwise, but on a charge attack that already takes a minimum of 1.3 seconds, and you need to react on top of that? the vast majority of people would not notice

450 ms, yes, 150 ms, difficult

[cyan notch]

its not a raw 150ms reaction time out of nowhere like max radius suddenly popping in the middle of your screen and you have to react

you can see the countdown every time and so ur reaction time will be quicker

[near wyvern]

It isn't when you do mid charge quell cancels

[kind wren]

What weapons would yall recommend to maximize the use of Scriers Gaze?

[limber heath]

yea its not really influenced by reaction time in the conventional sense, its something you can percieve and train your muscle memory for not something happening abruptly that you can't react to.

[near wyvern]

Think of it this way, let mid charge be 0.75 seconds for one staff, 0.6 seconds for the other. The difference is 150ms. Add on top 0.3s after cast when quell cancelled.

For one staff you have 1.05s total, for the other you have 0.9s total. Not big right?

But when you do multiple back to back, you have 1/1.05s = 0.95Hz for first, 1/0.9 = 1.11Hz for second, that's a 16-17% increase in frequency and that you can notice.

[small garden]

my siblingz

just spam assail all other classes will be eternally jealous until it gets patched

ur welcome

[wet belfry]

They will be jealous however the psyker reaches top damage.

[runic hornet]

which dueling sword do people recommend, again? the mk4 for the overhead lights?

[spice veldt]

mk4 cuz best heavies

overhead lights are nice i guess

[runic hornet]

blessings? riposte/rampage seems good

[cyan notch]

uncanny and something else

[runic hornet]

uncanny is finesse damage, right

[cyan notch]

no its rending

[runic hornet]

oh snap

[scarlet timber]

This makes no sense

There shouldn't be such a huge gap between them

[slim ridge]

haha hey guys anyone willing to help with pick n mix penance

[scarlet timber]

Thin is the numbers on mkv

I'm definitely sure are the same

I was doing the same overhead damage as pre patch

I have strong feeling they forgot to buff mkv and mk2

[odd siren]

purg staff + shield + Smite is busted

[runic hornet]

not at all

enjoy wiping to snipers

[odd siren]

thats what shield and teamates are for

[runic hornet]

shield won't save you from three dullard teammates

you absolutely do not need purgatus with smite

they completely overlap in role

[odd siren]

I disagree but thats ok

[runic hornet]

one empowered smite = you just hold smite for the entire encounter, why do you even need purgatus

[odd siren]

to actually do damage to the horde

smite for cc

[runic hornet]

empowered smite kills poxwalkers fast enough simply because of how many targets it hits

[knotty river]

Purg is CC