psyker-class

[still hearth]

Flamers are crazy rn

[fluid knot]

Legit

[acoustic spade]

I never had the wall stun ragers ever :<

[untold vault]

The problem with flamers is that when they shoot I get flashbanged as a ball of fire takes up 80% of my screen.

And I cant see shit

[still hearth]

10% isn't that often

[harsh urchin]

mutants, flamers, bombers prob the most dangerous lol

[austere burrow]

might be throwing it too late

Mutants are specialists so it's a guaranteed stun

[fluid knot]

Thats one thing i ADORE about the new Zealot kit.. Throwing knives shut down flamers in an instant an its so nice having what is effectively a hard counter to them

[acoustic spade]

nah its definitely been up way before the rager shows up

[untold vault]

For some reason the walls can stucklock crusher packs

[austere burrow]

Oh raget

Yeah they're not specialists

Don't expect the stun lol

[woeful patio]

That’s actually such a good roll wtf

[olive ember]

Ragers are elites

Different from specialists

[acoustic spade]

Oh, I always thought ragers were specialists

[woeful patio]

But yeah swap unarmored to flak

[untold vault]

Specialists are for disabling/ aoe

[remote raptor]

[untold vault]

Elites are dmg dealers

[austere burrow]

Specialists are in their own group in psykanium

[olive ember]

Ragers maulers gunners shot gunners ogryns are all considered elites iirc

[austere burrow]

The sniper pack is all the specialists

[remote raptor]

I got pretty luck on blessings

[acoustic spade]

I thought Ragers were Specialists cause they are opposite of Maulers in Psykahnium

[untold vault]

For some reason the crusher ai fucks up real bad if you sandwitch em between an actual wall and your psyker wall

[austere burrow]

I can believe it

The wall does funny stuff to the ai

[acoustic spade]

you might want to check out what the Crusher AI does if they end up in a corner and you throw a veteran smoke grenade near it then

[untold vault]

Also Im not sure if Im seeing it but sometimes the dome wall has the ability to just make enemies stand around

[austere burrow]

If you dome a ranged enemy they get confused

Yup

[weak galleon]

damn, just realized you can't use BB and mind in motion.

that sucks.

[teal needle]

Is mkiv the busted dueling sword rn?

[austere burrow]

Yes

[acoustic spade]

I managed to use the wall to block a Beast of Nurgle's vomit yesterday, felt like a big brain with the timing I did it with

[austere burrow]

I think this happens because they want to use their ranged attacks, but they know they shouldn't because they don't work

[acoustic spade]

even though its supposed to be "normal"

[olive ember]

Eh mind in motion is a QoL trait anyways

But yeah psykers tree specifically locks you out of stuff

[austere burrow]

So they just stand there

[olive ember]

Depending on which ability you go

[ornate hamlet]

THis is too much power for one psyker, what do I do with it?

[austere burrow]

Replace the blessings

Lol

[olive ember]

LMAO

[ornate hamlet]

what? The surge?

[olive ember]

Oh wait were you being unironic

[austere burrow]

Both

[olive ember]

Both blessings are useless on trauma

[ornate hamlet]

Why surge?

[olive ember]

Surge is only good on voidstrike

[acoustic spade]

Does the Surge even work on RMB?

[austere burrow]

It only affects the left click

[olive ember]

It doesn’t do anything for RMB on trauma

[near wyvern]

Dome and stun shield are instantly reset of you have even 1 warp charge when you use them. Note, this will not work for stun shield if you take the 2 stack upgrade.

Empower makes smite free making it infinite as long as you don't get hit.

Assail is not bugged per day but way over tuned. Take empowered Assail and you can spam it way too much and kill everything in sight.

Voidstrike staff is ridiculously overtuned. Take Battle Meditation, Warp Siphon Keystone with peril reduction and battery, True Aim and Perfect Timing as well as improved quelling speed. Have flurry and surge blessings on it and aim for heads. You can also stagger ALL monstrosities by hitting their Weakspot and if you are accurate with your shots, you can chain stagger them infinitely.

[torn bison]

Anyone have a good BB build they'd like to DM me? I have tried a few things but haven't found that special sauce that makes me love it yet

[ornate hamlet]

sad.

[olive ember]

Perks are decent

But yeah both blessing swap

[fluid knot]

Patch in a week sorting out those issues though with any luck

[olive ember]

Either warp flurry and rending shockwave or

Blazing crit

[near wyvern]

BB is undertuned. There is no way to make BB as a primary worth it at the moment.

[zinc phoenix]

Warp charge dome bb is pretty funny

[olive ember]

Basically warp nexus + blazing spirit trauma

[fluid knot]

Assail should have one major purpose, an thats wiping scab and dreg shooter walls

[weak galleon]

but a huge QoL for me, when 90% of my damage comes from Void atm.
And since void is kinda op right now, I don't need Assail.

[teal needle]

So uh. This is literally the first sword I bought off brunt and got enchanted by hadron

[zinc phoenix]

Warp charges make dome recharge faster and dome spam makes bb launch faster

[teal needle]

Blessed by the machine spirits

[torn bison]

yeah I've been running that with the increased charge and peril reduction for T5 weakened monstrosities runs

[olive ember]

Staff quelling is like rly quick

[torn bison]

I feel like my main issue may be staff/weapon picks

[acoustic spade]

Can you even trigger Rampage on the Dueling Sword?

[olive ember]

Just dodge slide while quelling and you won’t rly notice unless you are like quelling to 0 every time

[weak galleon]

hm

[teal needle]

I'd hope so, cleave is a stat on this thing

[still hearth]

Barely.

[zinc phoenix]

Trauma and burgertus pair well with the soul flame perks between BB and dome

[weak galleon]

btw, what's the blessings to look for on dueling sword?

[torn bison]

Is it worth running soulblaze with BB builds? I currently don't because I feel like SB is weak

[olive ember]

Well trauma only if blazing spirit

[weak galleon]

the survivability/mobility ones.
Staff does the dmg work anyway.

[still hearth]

BB is the weak part here not soulblaze

[zinc phoenix]

Do people run trauma other ways?

[still hearth]

[olive ember]

Flurry rending

[zinc phoenix]

Solid point

[near wyvern]

Yes, you push and then push attack or light, staggered enemies have lesser hit mass now.

[stable leaf]

I still don’t got blazing spirit blessing for my trauma

[olive ember]

It’s complete rng

[echo turtle]

Turns out I have two untouched deimos kicking around with uncanny 3 already

[near wyvern]

Nah man, you either go spirit nexus of flurry rending

[zinc phoenix]

Skill issue, simply receive it from Hardon

[echo turtle]

So I will give it a go

[olive ember]

Oh lmao I said flurry nexus?

I meant flurry rending lmao

[stable leaf]

[echo turtle]

Seems like riposte would be better than Executor though?

[zinc phoenix]

It’s what I read 🤷‍♀️

Brain replace word for all

[olive ember]

LMAO

[echo turtle]

Or does it push through a breakpoint?

[fluid knot]

Its free damage for playing how you would usually play, free is free even if its not super strong

[echo turtle]

Weak spot damage also seems good on it? Over unyielding

For the deimos

[still hearth]

No

Weakspot damage is always bad

[cyan portal]

hype

[acoustic spade]

I was thinking more that the attack patterns of dueling swords I've seen havent been really conducive to hitting multiple enemies

Even the Combat Knife seems to hit more enemies per 1 slash than the dueling sword I tested

[torn bison]

I feel like BB would be the best pick on t5 heavy monstrosity runs no?

[still hearth]

No

It's not great DPS on bosses

[fluid knot]

Its not a bad pick, but its not amazing

[still hearth]

It's better to take something to deal with things that aren't the boss tbh

[fluid knot]

You can poke a few bosses to death with Deimos if you really have to

[still hearth]

Like shards to kill specials and elites that spawn

[autumn smelt]

if you have a BB build, id say its still one of the better things to take if youre trying to be the one to kill the bosses

but you should leave that to the other classes though

[still hearth]

It's only good because its safe

That's about it

[fluid knot]

To be fair, BB can do that too

[still hearth]

The DPS is pretty low

[fluid knot]

Not quickly, but often quickly enough

[still hearth]

I haven't played much BB lately but it still felt really slow. Probably because it requires so much focus per target.

[autumn smelt]

honestly with kinetic barrage, you can actually kill a weakened one pretty fast

just a few bb and theyre down

[fluid knot]

Its a very generalist thing tho

It can do a lot of different targets with relative impunity

[still hearth]

It's just sad that Assail generalizes better

Assail should just do no damage to flak lets go

[near wyvern]

+Weakspot damage and +critical damage are not as good as they spund. They only increase the extra portion, or that's at least how it used to be. Haven't tested if they changed that.

So at least previously, if your attack did 100 on body and 150 on weakspot, with +10% weakspot damage you would deal 100 + 50 * 1.1 = 155 damage instead of 150 * 1.1 = 165 damage.

[fluid knot]

Well.. I would rather have BB on Scab Melee modifier, Assail does at least suck giga ass vs a few targets including monsters

[still hearth]

Idk if it sucks any more giga ass than BB against bosses but maybe

[autumn smelt]

the shards are pretty sharp tho idk
theyd feel kinda goofy if they didnt

[still hearth]

Though Scab Melee is the one time I run Smite as a primary choice

[summer prairie]

you throw your knives and then switch to something else

[echo turtle]

I'll have to test it, so much gas changed

[near wyvern]

Yup. Best boss DPS at the moment is void, bleeding or soulblaze stacking with purgatus + ult.

[fluid knot]

It deffo does for sure, Whilst in a normal game its rabidly OP, in Monster modifier or Scab melee, it falls off super sharply to the point you're basically deadweight if you bring it

[autumn smelt]

when running voidstrike i honestly run bb, having a handy "fuck you" button for a dog or trapper thats running away and is about to round a corner out of sight is always nice

[torn bison]

yeah I've been using BB + reduced cast and peril with bubble in missions with lots of monsters and carapace+flak and I feel like it gets more value than Assail, but not as much as Staves or infinite lightning CC so it feels like it doesn't do anything super well.

[still hearth]

I Vraks 3 too

[near wyvern]

Let me know how it went. Make sure to test without any talents to avoid interference.

[still hearth]

[raven scarab]

got these 2 for sale, are these worth getting?

[echo turtle]

I am considering riposte/uncanny with crit chance + maniac,

Seems like it could be pretty deadly

Also considering running that with the boss deleting vraks

Wty?

[fluid knot]

That should ideally be the tradeoff, something thats good as a generalist pick shouldnt be super effective against anything, but merely good enough vs the majority

[autumn smelt]

wait since when did illisi get bloodthirsty

[still hearth]

They all have that

[autumn smelt]

ive literally never seen that

wth

[still hearth]

I think all the force swords share their blessing.

[winged agate]

So does Creeping Flames (the fire shriek) need the other soulblaze talents to be solid? I wanna see how far I can mash the cooldown to constantly be shouting at hordes

[acoustic spade]

tbf I found Assail both under and overwhelming yesterday when playing with it for the first time, It was great at dealing with Houndpacks, but then sometimes it wouldnt even one-shot a singel trashmob that had the Flak armor headband on

[winged agate]

and i'm looking where I can shave off talent points

[autumn smelt]

they do, but ive never known/seen it

[still hearth]

It's not meant to one-shot things

[fluid knot]

Perilous Combustion is a good pick with it, but thats a good pick regardless tbh

[autumn smelt]

its really good on its own, but just better with other blaze talents

[still hearth]

You have 10 for a reason

[north cradle]

tfw your Auric team's Veteran is bringing a lasgun and a chainsword so you know you're in good hands

[winged agate]

I see, gotcha

I was mostly curious if yall think I could ditch wildfire

[torn bison]

Agreed, just feels bad when you can just take a stave or infinite lightning cc or assail to do any part of BB job better than BB. I feel like if there was a perk to give near instant cast on 1 BB after scoring like a critical would make it feel a lot more powerful in it's identity. Sometimes just using a quick bb to stagger a ogryn can be huge, and they take 2 pops in T5 anyways.

[autumn smelt]

personal preference
i personally like it, but some dont

[acoustic spade]

yeah but when I use it with the RIght-Click and there's just one mob I target with it, I would expect it to kill it. But then othertimes just a single tap of LMB slaughters entire packs of mobs during a Horde

[north cradle]

Brain Burst was fine pre-patch honestly

[still hearth]

It does the same damage with the RMB and LMB so

[winged agate]

Gotcha

[autumn smelt]

the only difference between rmb and lmb is how far it can go

[still hearth]

It basically does the same thing for both actions, just that the RMB is better aimed and faster I think

[fluid knot]

Well, Smite relies on your team killing things, an Assail isnt good vs heavily armoued stuffs, so BB is still very valuable. The node that decreases charge time can be very good in some situations, and BB has ridiculously good reach an can get stuff miles out

[autumn smelt]

and the speed but that doesnt matter too much

[torn bison]

My assail melee build can 1 tap most unarmored specials in t5

[harsh urchin]

it's pretty dogshit, try testing it in meat grinder and see for yourself lol

[acoustic spade]

well, RMB uses up more Peril

[still hearth]

Yeah idk why

[naive imp]

thoughts?

[fluid knot]

It was better with old WnR legit :/

[naive imp]

is the quell speed important?

[autumn smelt]

yeah im always kinda baffled when people say bb is dogshit now
its better than its ever been

[acoustic spade]

And I have the scaling-with-Peril dmg talent

[fluid knot]

I miss my unlimted stack cap

[torn bison]

its so you can ramp peril for perks

[still hearth]

I don't know what that means.

[still hearth]

Spamming ramps it up faster though

RMB is mostly good to pace shots and to try to aim at snipers from what I have used it

[teal needle]

Bb can one shot gunners and shotties and most non mutie specials on damnation now. It's certainly better than it was

[fluid knot]

Thats purely because of the 75% reduction in cast time talent though lets be honest, its realitively the same in power level as it was before, but thats certainly tipped the scales in its favour. Another issue with people saying its weak though is related directly to Assail being so fuckin broken

[torn bison]

sometimes you don't have a target and you want to build peril before a fight, but mostly agreed you can just spam for faster results. As for the assail comment, the perk that scales warp damage to +20% on 5 melee kills for 8 seconds along with a few other perks means in Tier 5 I can kill any unarmored special with 1 assail. It's very strong if used on the correct targets.

[still hearth]

Sure tbf if you have all buffs up with Destiny and Scrier's you can also one-shot a bunch of elites

[torn bison]

yeah but I don't take either of those, just base blue perks can ramp assail up to 1 shot potential

[autumn smelt]

i always had kinetic barrage on beforehand though, so it doesnt feel too different, but now you can have a bunch of other stuff paired with it like EP to boost that further, or warp charges/quicken to keep kinetic barrage up way more

[still hearth]

Yeah but the primary concern about Assail isn't one-shotting things since you can just spam it

[fluid knot]

Oh yeah for sure, there is much better supporting kit behind it now

[still hearth]

So even if you don't 1-shot it doesn't matter when you have 9 more shards

[torn bison]

it does when you are playing modifiers with a ton of specials, assails balance comes from when you spam you can't use it for a period

[still hearth]

10 shards is definitely enough to kill a ton of specials

And you already recharged like 3 of them by that time

And probably run EP too so you might have free ones

[autumn smelt]

so after using it so long with the old feats and thinking "wow this shit actually slaps tf" and then getting these new ones, im wondering what the hell people were doing beforehand if they think bb is bad now

[fluid knot]

Not using BB a lot of the time in all honesty

[torn bison]

idk I've had modifiers where there are muties and dogs running at us in packs. I'd rather 1 tap a mutie than have to throw 2 assails for 1 mutie when there are 8 of them and 10 dogs at one time

[fluid knot]

Old BB with KB/WnR was cracked an people slept on it right up until this patch dropped

[autumn smelt]

WnR i personally didnt like

[naive imp]

Brain burst 1 target for less than or equal to damage as an assail hitting 3-6…zero aiming involved.

[still hearth]

You don't one-tap muties with assail though?

[olive ember]

I mean it doesn’t do

Only like 300 damage per knife

[still hearth]

Up to 475 weakspot damage

[olive ember]

You just are able to spam 10 of em at a time

[torn bison]

that's what I'm saying you can if you take the right blue perks. I can send build if you want

[olive ember]

Pretty sure it’s 300

[still hearth]

Which goes up to 600+ on critical weakspots

[autumn smelt]

youre comparing it to something thats about to be hard nerfed

[still hearth]

Nope

I checked

[olive ember]

I’ll run it back again when I get back home

[still hearth]

I literally did it earlier because someone asked

[autumn smelt]

plus you still have to have line of sight

[still hearth]

I think it was between 188-475 weakspot damage

[naive imp]

That’s baseline assail? Or all the buffs too?

[blazing island]

does the sustained fire blessing work on spamming charged staff attacks? like with voidstrike if i fire off 3 or 4 charged shots will it buff the damage

[autumn smelt]

there is at least some aiming involved

[still hearth]

(Except crusher that is 13)

[fluid knot]

On the face of it, it wasnt very good, BUT it had a functionally unlimited stack cap that could be applied, so the higher up the difficulty chain you went, the move value it held. Burst 5 different things in close proximity during KB, literally everything you burst dies from burn if it wasnt one-shot an all their pals local dropped too. It was a fantastic force multiplier

[still hearth]

Base assail with no buffs at all

[north cradle]

Maybe I've just not found the right talent tree path for Brain Burst

[torn bison]

I'm about to load into psykanium because Ik you can

[still hearth]

Base weakspot for Assail:
Unyielding - 238
Carapace - 58
Infested - 358
Unarmored - 475
Flak - 357
Maniac - 475

This is with no buffs at all

[naive imp]

There are some pretty juicy buffs for it.

Empowered is 150 vs 100 base.

[autumn smelt]

my issue with it was, in situations where itd be useful, multiple elites nearby with lots of adds around, having bb out would be extremely dangerous, plus youd be gambling on it actually targeting the elites instead of random joe #382

[naive imp]

20% damage. 15% after crits

[still hearth]

It's because base damage is a lie

[acoustic spade]

I accept diamantine donations (plasteel is fine too)

[still hearth]

And doesn't really matter

Since you need to know armor damage numbers

[acoustic spade]

I have come to hate the Account bank now

[autumn smelt]

it felt too situational to use over the other options

[fluid knot]

Maybe i just used it so much i'd learned to work around those issues, but i got so much use out of it for months it was absolutely S+ tier for me

[acoustic spade]

It means both my Veteran and Zealot are poor when my Psyker is poor

[still hearth]

The upside is that your Vet and Zealot are rich when your Psyker gets rich

[teal needle]

Wildfire is poopy but blaze on elite kill is incredible value for one talent point

[autumn smelt]

yeah i just took the flat damage buff instead since that ended up having more of an impact over the course of the mission more consistently

[still hearth]

This is the truth

[tacit urchin]

is this description just really bad and it's saying all my damage increases by up to 20%

[still hearth]

Wildfire needs some overhaul to actually work

[acoustic spade]

I will never be rich is the problem

[autumn smelt]

yes

[still hearth]

That's actually one of the more clear descriptions

[ebon jolt]

I’m coming back to the game after a long break. I have an almost perfect voidstrike staff roll with +5% crit. I didn’t know you could roll both blessings. I thought it had to be one perk and one blessing. My staff is locked now. Is there any way for me to set the oerk I rolled back to the original so I can unlock and change the second blessing?

[autumn smelt]

it means all sources from you, ie melee, ranged, warp, blitz, soulblaze, etc

[tacit urchin]

"from all sources" can mean you take more damage, even though that would be stupid

there's a double spacebar in a passive description too and that makes me angry

[naive imp]

Base damage of 100 is getting turned into 475 in some cases. With buffs it would be 1k

Someone has said they have seen 1400.

[left cedar]

nope good luck on another vs staff

[olive ember]

Nope, and for the record it used to be one perk one blessing they changed it so you can choose 2 from the 4 a bit back

[austere burrow]

how tf did you run out of diamantine

[acoustic spade]

I didnt have much to begin with and I upgraded my stuff to Transcendent

[left cedar]

I did that too with my 379 TH on zealot

[acoustic spade]

Curios included

[autumn smelt]

probably by not having much to begin with

[olive ember]

Maybe malice only?

[autumn smelt]

you can tell how long someone has played based on the ratio between plasteel and diamantine

[austere burrow]

does malice drop less diamantine?

[royal falcon]

plasteel is more of a struggle for me to keep than diamantine

[ebon jolt]

😭 Thanks. I don’t have the resources to grind another one out. Maybe one day…

[left mirage]

let us convert diamantine to plasteel or ordo dockets

[vapid wagon]

can someone please tell me if the pollium verates set clips with the legs? does the 'cape' have propper collision with them or does it just get ignored

[mellow pendant]

does anyone have a decent build for smite? I've been trying it with soulblaze perks and it just feels meh. I don't want to have to use assailt o feel useful

[royal falcon]

uh

[lethal lagoon]

Nah, let us use diamantine for some sort of special feature, that's more interesting.

[left mirage]

enh smite perma stunlock + voidstrike

[left mirage]

yeah, literally anything will do tbh

they could even just remove the damn thing

[royal falcon]

soulblaze is mostly for the purgatus staff, no?

[left mirage]

and i wouldnt mind

[left cedar]

if u wanna main smite then u have to abuse EP smite

[acoustic spade]

Not only but I dont like playing Heresy with randos cause it ends up with me having to carry 3 players on my back most of the time, so my "casual" play is on Malice and only really play Heresy with 4 stacks

[left mirage]

also idk if this is the case but i noticed that soulblaze stops proccing once you smite things

you have to apply soulblaze* onto them again during the smite

[teal needle]

Smite build is literally just get smite and empower and then the rest of the build is whatever you want

[olive ember]

If you are carrying in heresy might as well play Damnation tbh

Either you get better teammates or you carry either way

[mellow pendant]

mostly, but I as thinking that smite might spread it pretty well, and you can skip purgatus staff if you use venting shriek to apply the initial effects

[olive ember]

And if you are the one getting carried meh

[keen harbor]

the step from malice to heresy is immense, but from heresy to damnation, it's not that difficult

[olive ember]

I carry like every other game I play with Damnation randos so

[proper rapids]

Is their a reason to charge smite then to just cast it? Like does charging increase damage?

[olive ember]

Nothing new

[left mirage]

im farming in heresy to get enough resources to get a proper setup going

[olive ember]

Left click is supposed to be single target damage (it doesn’t do damage)

[left mirage]

all of my shit is like green or blue

[teal needle]

Smite being called smite is weird though. 'Smite' sounds offensive

[royal falcon]

correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t soulblaze spread only occur if the enemy dies via soulblaze

[olive ember]

Right click is supposed to be AOE stun

[left cedar]

charge give u more initial targets

[autumn smelt]

just do it in damnation, the jump in mats is massive

[left mirage]

oh, ok

[autumn smelt]

even if you lose you still get a lot

[left cedar]

and more total target potential

[mellow pendant]

it applies to more enemies on the initial cast than taking a moment to ramp up the spread

[proper rapids]

Ok

[autumn smelt]

like failing a damnation halfway still nets you more mats than a completed malice

[austere burrow]

If you're carrying heresy, you should be able to get by on damnation

[left mirage]

what's the difference between damnation and heresy anyway

[austere burrow]

More hp and damage

[left mirage]

like change-wise

oh, that's it

[mellow pendant]

the description says dies while affected by soulblaze.

[left mirage]

i thought it dropped you to one wound or something

[austere burrow]

Maybe some spawn stuff idk

Yeah that too

[autumn smelt]

more hp and damage, and a more sadistic director

[royal falcon]

I like how smite is
-left click aoe stun
-right click literally better than left click in every way with only a short <1s startup needed

[left mirage]

heresy director is already sadistic sometimes

[autumn smelt]

nope, minimum is still 2 wounds

[keen harbor]

hi-int heresy seems bugged sometimes. It will spawn way more than hi-int damnation

[left mirage]

i dont feel comfortable spamming pubs unless im on thammer zeal to oneshot bosses

[left mirage]

yeah i've had some fucked moments in hi int heresy

[austere burrow]

Damnation director will put a daemonhost in a tight hallway and then summon a mutant horde

[left cedar]

they haven’t fix it yet?

[left mirage]

daemonhost gets aggroed, director insta spawns a plague oggy then a horde

[royal falcon]

ic

[austere burrow]

Evil director makes the game more fun honestly

Win or lose

[autumn smelt]

auric maelstroms though, they are always fucked moments, start to finish

[keen harbor]

only reason to play malice is to complete melk missions (books)

[autumn smelt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1141186951056203816/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.08.14_-_02.33.08.06_Trim.mp4?ex=652f39ab&is=651cc4ab&hm=9c37851cfd2495fe0d9620573971bbec4c3328a15951271532ebc2760f1c54ee&

[left cedar]

auric damnation with rando is fun

[left mirage]

i use the same setup and its pretty meh

better to bring VS and the shield

to deal with ranged

[acoustic spade]

I basically have a hardcore imposter syndrome on anything I do so I am not confident in going into Damnation even with a 4-stack

[austere burrow]

Dw about it

Just troll some runs until you learn

[tropic geyser]

what should I modify for a crit build?

[olive ember]

Almost Every random I play with on Damnation is trolling anyways

[austere burrow]

I got picked up like 5 times the other day because I kept blowing myself up

[olive ember]

What’s one more kekw

[tropic geyser]

the emperor provides

[left mirage]

perks probs, the blessings are already great

[austere burrow]

One day you'll pay it forward by being the one who has to deal with the suicidal psyker

[left mirage]

cc to 5% and whatever other perk

[still hearth]

Don't do this though

[buoyant geyser]

Can someone explain to me what this means? Does this mean im immune to ranged attacks?

[left mirage]

probably +unyielding or +carapace to deal with bulwarks or crushers faster

[tropic geyser]

for a crit build I would only thing to take the CC to 5%, I wasnt sure if there was a better blessing to go for. You think flak armor or carapice for the other perk?

[still hearth]

Yes

[buoyant geyser]

👍

[left mirage]

ye

[vapid wagon]

is there someone that owns the pollium verates bundle that can show me how it looks in motion?

[autumn smelt]

last night in qp damnation someone trash talked me and my friend for being dogshit, after dying to a single rager 2 times in the same minute

[still hearth]

Why didn't you help them

[naive imp]

where is the weekly contract person?

[autumn smelt]

oh we did

we killed the rager and rezzed them

[still hearth]

Right side of the center hallway

[autumn smelt]

and then it happened again

[still hearth]

@naive imp I'd strongly recommend getting mods to auto accept those

[autumn smelt]

we were already fighting 5 ragers on our own when they couldnt handle the one, both times

[still hearth]

Ragers are scary tbf

[olive ember]

what

Just kill em

Ez

[still hearth]

If you get hit you die

Instantly

Blrrr

[olive ember]

You can even afk block em if you need to

[naive imp]

how do you accept them?..

[still hearth]

Yeah but Vets don't have stamina

[austere burrow]

Just whip out the bees

[autumn smelt]

too hard, need teammates to do it for me and if they dont ill call them dogshit at the game

[still hearth]

If you check them they're accepted

[naive imp]

all i see is replace task

[austere burrow]

Oh as vet

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-sounds-like-skill-issue-monke-dancing-gif-22439519

[still hearth]

You don't accept them you just get them and can replace them

[austere burrow]

Idk if I can play a class that cares about stamina anymore

[steady lion]

does this buff stack until you take ranged dmg?

[royal falcon]

better hit the gym then

[olive ember]

TRUE

[autumn smelt]

me and my friend were both vets having 0 issue with ragers (dclaw for me, tac axe for him), and the person dying to 1 rager was a psyker with purg and illisi

[austere burrow]

The heck

[still hearth]

Damn that's the saddest thing

[austere burrow]

Just block and dodge as psyker

[still hearth]

Purgatus can literally stunlock ragers

[austere burrow]

Illisi has infinite dodges

[royal falcon]

all the force swords have infinite dodges don’t they

[austere burrow]

Ya

[autumn smelt]

honestly the sad thing is, we failed the mission shortly after, really bad spawns happened, we still had a bot and that terrible player who only had 1 wound left, and i got hit with a sniper which pushed me in the middle of 4 ragers which you just cant come back from tbh

so it was just downhill from there

[royal falcon]

wouldn’t have been me (lie)

[autumn smelt]

but, the icing on the cake from that guy is

we loaded into a lobby with him the next game

[fossil lagoon]

i have never failed a mission

[autumn smelt]

the 4th in the lobby said "trying out a new build, sorry if i suck"
and the shitter said "dont worry, i expect you to be, like me and friend here", then left the lobby

and then that mission i soloed 2 plague ogryns

[royal falcon]

cooperative game

[autumn smelt]

idk man i must be bad at the game, the guy who couldnt handle 1 rager said so

[olive ember]

Had a game with a toxic ahole but they were actually decent

[proper rapids]

Yall think theyre gonna nerf darts into uselessness?

[olive ember]

The other two were uh

[still hearth]

Probably not

[olive ember]

Dead weights

[royal falcon]

c’mon epic don’t you know ragers are the strongest monstrosity

[teal needle]

They'll probably just nerf darts so it's not infinite ammo

[autumn smelt]

the first toxic person i met in darktide was the dude who inspired me to get good at the game

[maiden prism]

hay all is the Warp Battery penance still kinda janky to get? or am I just wildly under estimating how long i have been able to keep max charges for

[olive ember]

I stg the toxic guy probably wanted to shit talk me because I was getting tilted and was like “bro it’s 1 second to get the net off me wtf are you doing”

[autumn smelt]

i kept dying in a normal damnation investigate, cuz i hadnt gotten a grasp on the general systems of the game, and this ogryn was carrying hard
at the end of the game, he called me out and said i was dogshit at the game, and told me to get good or kill myself
that dude was an inspiration to me

[olive ember]

But I was playing voidstrike assail psyker so the scoreboard probably said I was doing something

So instead he flew off the rail against the two dead weights

[royal falcon]

that was an OGRYN saying that?

[autumn smelt]

yeah

[olive ember]

I’ve had a couple bad ogryns yeah

[jade pollen]

Get good or give me your rations

[autumn smelt]

tbh tho, he was very justified in saying that

[olive ember]

Had a special one get mad at me for not following the team into a corner and dying to a plogryn

[autumn smelt]

i DIED died and had to be rescued 3 times at the final event of hab dreyko

[olive ember]

Nah when I’m toxic I’m always right

[autumn smelt]

thats how bad i was at that time

[olive ember]

When they are toxic they’re just bad and projecting

Clearly you haven’t gotten in the right mindset

[keen harbor]

3 deaths in damnation is pretty bad, yeah

[mellow pendant]

I feel like Kinetic Flayer would be a better talent if it didn't trigger on random infested. Both reinforce BB as an elite/specialist focus blitz and stop having it wasted on trash as they die anyway

[proper rapids]

I was in a lobby the other day with a psyker and ogryn. The psyker was named "girthwizard" and he offered the ogryn some girth

[olive ember]

Flayer is pretty bad rn

[royal falcon]

granted damnation was a bit of a jump if you had yet to get a grasp on the game systems that was kinda-

it’s weird, really, when people talk shit in this game they always say the most outta pocket stuff

[olive ember]

You used to take it cuz it was free warp charge upkeep/maintenance

[autumn smelt]

you better believe enduring that and also the ogryn saying that was a wake up call
i watched like an hours worth of videos on combat systems and mechanics after that

[olive ember]

But now warp charges aren’t even tied to BB so it’s kinda just

Shit

[autumn smelt]

and now im gaming

[olive ember]

You see I just know that I’m better than the average random

And I know I’m better

So therefore I am better

[keen harbor]

I'm still learning how to pickup downed players when I'm the last one standing, and they're being gunned down by a full patrol

[royal falcon]

step 1) don’t

[autumn smelt]

yeah
not too long ago during a maelstrom i fucked up, and someone called me a failure in voice after 0 text or voice communication from anyone prior and i was caught off guard

[royal falcon]

or just pop telekine if you got it

[keen harbor]

the amount of players still running off on their own when pack hounds spawn is beyond silly

[royal falcon]

mfs be out for blood if you do bad enough to get them talking 😭

[keen harbor]

or not using choke points when hordes spawn

[olive ember]

The more coop games you play the less faith you have in randoms

[mellow pendant]

it really is zero to 1000 with some folks. you die twice and they tell you your bloodline is weak

[olive ember]

And I’ve played a bunch

[austere burrow]

hab dreyko kinda hard at first honestly

[autumn smelt]

an invis zealot had just pulled a clutch out of their pocket, rescuing the 3 of us, and i almost immediately died because of a suprise rager from behind while i was throwing krak grenades at maulers and crushers, which i didnt hear or see anywhere in the hallway i had just cleared out, and i look at my team and see their nametags 10 miles away, they all just backpedaled so hard that they just didnt bother with getting me

[keen harbor]

Q: A horde + pack of hounds spawn, what is the best spot for the team to holdout on?

1. Top of the stairs near the doorway
2. On the stairs
3. Bottom of the stairs, which is wide open and in the next zone, so it can spawn a wave of specials

[olive ember]

Man I remember I used to play this game where you basically were herding sheeple around

[thorn comet]

psyker smite bug fixed?

[olive ember]

Go here go there

Defend here

[distant quartz]

Is their a way to get shards to go where you aim them at?

[olive ember]

Fall back now

[distant quartz]

It misses a point blank target

[woeful patio]

Hold RMB

[paper fern]

Hold right click then throw

[olive ember]

And there was this kid like 16 and he used to be fairly cheerful

Saw him in game again the other day and wow he was so toxic lol

[paper fern]

2.5x more peril from aimed throws though

[ionic needle]

Maelstrom Damnation was really fun right now

[keen harbor]

1 is best choice, 2 is an okay choice, but 3 is what new players will choose

[olive ember]

What leading people in coop games do to people

[royal falcon]

don’t tell me don’t tell me I can do this
uhhhh
THREE

[distant quartz]

Left click is sheer RnG?

[ionic needle]

Scab only, melee heavy, void strike had to work hard for all those crusher kills, hahaha

[autumn smelt]

shards go where youre looking, look directly at them

[paper fern]

It'll fly at close enemies, but if nothing is in range it'll kinda just go wherever

[keen harbor]

and mind you, it's like 3 psykers, so they don't do well when surrounded

[royal falcon]

ok so

wouldn't common sense suggest--

actually lemme not say that

[keen harbor]

100% chance to select 3

[limber heath]

pick this up for the nexus?

[royal falcon]

generally ain't it best to be up against a wall when dealing with pox hound packs

or like, a corner

narrowing down where you'd have to look

[keen harbor]

No, you want to be at a choke point for pack dogs

[olive ember]

Choke point

[keen harbor]

so corner, or behind a doorway

[autumn smelt]

honestly even a wide choke point is managable for dogs

[sterile saddle]

i like to have a choke point or if none are avilable, some sort of pillar or post I can use to buy an extra block angle

[keen harbor]

having a wall to your back doesn't allow you any room to fall back when something else spawns

[autumn smelt]

just takes a bit more work and 1-2 might get through, but its not nearly as bad as being in the open

[rocky osprey]

Question, are the burn ticks from Wildfire/Purgatus capable of triggering this modifier? Not sure if I've seen it happen yet tho I've definitely triggered on direct flamethrowing

[royal falcon]

I don't think DoT counts as "attacks"

[sterile saddle]

purgatus staff triggers it, not sure if the dot or the constant channeling doesit

[keen harbor]

Kinetic Flayer won't proc when you also have the Warp charge skill with 10% from soul flame

[rocky osprey]

really? i've got both and seen it trigger

[olive ember]

No

[austere burrow]

Is there even a point in taking that anymore

[olive ember]

That shouldn’t be the case

[north cradle]

It's fun

[sterile saddle]

soulfire?

it does dmg

[austere burrow]

It used to be nice when you could get warp charges on zombies

[olive ember]

Lol no

Kinetic flayer is kinda

Not good

Rn

[royal falcon]

was there ever a point in kinetic flayer

[olive ember]

Warp charge upkeep

[autumn smelt]

yes

[ionic needle]

It was great on gunker build pre patch

[autumn smelt]

warp charges and gunpsyker using a high rate of fire weapon

[austere burrow]

It let you keep up warp charges without brain burst

[royal falcon]

I failed to see the point in it because of that other talent, the 4% chance of getting a warp charge when you or an ally in coherency kills

[olive ember]

10% chance didn’t mean much when you were slapping a horde

[ionic needle]

Not anymore

[autumn smelt]

could use it against bulwarks and crushers for a free instant bb

[austere burrow]

Which was nice back when you would lose all charges at once

[olive ember]

So it was basically a guaranteed warp charge every 15 sec

But now that warp charge isn’t tied to BB kinetic flayer is just kinda

Not that useful

[austere burrow]

That's what I'm thinking

[autumn smelt]

i still am certain it has a priority component though, cuz very often it would pop the elite in the crowd when i was using purgatus with it pre patch 13

[olive ember]

Not sure tbh cuz I didn’t use it with purge

Only rly used KF for surge and autopistol

[mellow gorge]

I'll keep taking it bc I like the sound it makes

[autumn smelt]

i used it with purge since i used kinetic barrage and not ascendant blaze, so it was my method of maintaining warp charges

[raw token]

yh not useful at all, except its some value if youre going full gunker

[autumn smelt]

but with gun psyker, assail kinda works better overall

[ionic needle]

You could game it as a gunker if you ran illisi with low warp res and kept stroking it to keep peril high

Then pull out gun and shoot elites to pop it

[autumn smelt]

it meshes better with the nodes youre already taking, and it saves ammo for you to use your guns on the priority targets

[raw token]

yeah i just mean full gunker, its the only one u can use without actually using your blitz, and lets you get the warp kills

[autumn smelt]

ah ok

[weak galleon]

yeah, it was always about "10% chance to refresh warp charge once per x seconds during melee/ranged", and never about actual damage

since actual damage part of it is completely unreliable.

not with that cooldown, at least.

[olive ember]

They’d have to completely rework it imo

[autumn smelt]

if its cooldown was lower though, it'd quickly get really really good

[summer prairie]

You only keep the base aura when picking the improved version, so no reason to go anything besides cdr until that's fixed

Unless you really want the nodes that require different paths

[raw token]

what so you cant use the crit or the elite damage one?

[olive ember]

I mean if the 10% elite damage hits BB breakpoints

That alone might be reason enough

[summer prairie]

They work fine but the cdr aura gives 7.5+10% cdr

[keen harbor]

10% elite damage isn't bad. It's certainly better than vet's 3% on everything

[autumn smelt]

wait really??

[olive ember]

Basically if you choose the 10% CDR one it gives both the base version of the aura and the upgraded version

So you get 17.5% CDR or something like that

[weak galleon]

oh

[olive ember]

If you choose to swap auras you just get that aura and not the base version

[raw token]

oh i see

id still rather crit tbh

[autumn smelt]

4% crit chance is reaaally small though

[olive ember]

So it’s really 10% elite damage vs 17.5% CDR vs 4% crit chance

[keen harbor]

IMO, crit aura is only worth it, if you are running a crit build

[autumn smelt]

that 17.5% is cdr for the whole team, and abilities are stronger than ever atm

[raw token]

yeah but all my builds rely on crits everything helps soooo much when you already have a high crit chance to begin with

[keen harbor]

CDR is way better for teamplay, however

[autumn smelt]

on psyker though, you already have an ensured method of crits via headshots, which is typically something youre already doing with most crit builds anyway

[autumn smelt]

yeah

[raw token]

yeah true but i want even more

[autumn smelt]

2 classes having straight up invis abilities is huge

plus vet can straight up have a free rez ability

and ogryn can have taunt which is pretty much the best cc ability in the game

and having all of those up much more is massive

[raw token]

yes cdr is definitely more meta except maybe with void but even then

[astral oracle]

ima be real

[autumn smelt]

i just cdr on every single build

[raw token]

i was just an elf player in vt2 and those ways dont just leave you

[autumn smelt]

even void

[astral oracle]

i haven't found a single illis force sword yet

[autumn smelt]

just buy one then lol

[astral oracle]

that

that's waht i mean

[thin finch]

you can buy grey one

[autumn smelt]

what

[astral oracle]

i don't wanna spend 5 million on brunts

[autumn smelt]

go to brunts armory

[astral oracle]

[thin finch]

Do it, money is meant to be spent

[autumn smelt]

i dont think ive spent 5 million dockets in general

and i have plenty of amazing guns

and swords, etc

[thin finch]

Spinn the wheel but at least you get to pick the color

[autumn smelt]

youd honestly be surprised how often he drops 360+ rolls

[thin finch]

(and not wait 10hours for brute man to feel good)

[keen harbor]

brunt gambling sucking up all my dockets

[pearl drift]

Trying to do some fun Crit void staff shennigans. Should I change anything on this?

[raw token]

theres nothing else to do with the dockets so might as well

[autumn smelt]

plus i doubt youre gonna be buying 543 illisis

[raw token]

change warp flurry to surge and ranged elite damage to crit chance

[autumn smelt]

warp flurry to surge, crit damage to crit chance

[raw token]

oh wiat you already changed one

[autumn smelt]

yeah

[raw token]

then just flurry to surge

[pearl drift]

yeah it was sprint efficiency

[raw token]

and change crit damage to crit chance

[autumn smelt]

the crit chance is honestly gonna be more valuable though

[still hearth]

PSA: Don't take Weakspot or Crit damage

Unless you really know a BP you can reach

[keen harbor]

Crit build is only if you have Surge

[carmine agate]

when is the balance patch usually?

[still hearth]

Thursdays

[autumn smelt]

cuz it only increases the damage of the increase of the weakpoint/crit vs body/noncrit, not the total

[still hearth]

But it'll probably take 1-2 weeks between patches now

[keen harbor]

If you don't have Surge, then transfer peril is also a good choice

[still hearth]

Flurry and Nexus should be okay. Not great though

[autumn smelt]

but surge is ideal, the jump in power from nexus something else to nexus surge is massive

you will want it

[pearl drift]

ok, thank you!

Appreciate this a ton boyos

[keen harbor]

Surge is the Power Cycler 4 of psyker, isn't it

[autumn smelt]

ye

[keen harbor]

good luck rolling it!

[autumn smelt]

but previously it was niche

how the turn tables

[still hearth]

Staves not sharing blessings is

[acoustic spade]

I wish the Purgatus staff RMB lasted a bit longer than it does now, or would atleast have a blessing that increased the duration of it somehow

[keen harbor]

Yeah, I got my Surge voidstrike staff at the end of last patch

[meager tide]

First time checking in in a while here: Ppl are aware of Psykers numerous bugs right? (Infitie Dome with Warp charges, Infinite Smite with Emp psionics and overpowering souls (gaining emp stacks on elite/specialist kill) combined with brainburst also deciding to just not work randomly are the most prevelant ones). Thoughts/Feelings?

[still hearth]

Full charged it lasts like 5 seconds

[keen harbor]

didn't even bother using it outside of a test run

[acoustic spade]

I still havent seen a Surge blessing anywhere

[still hearth]

And with Flurry the charge is pretty fast

[raw token]

i literally tried this patch as soon as i saw how broken it was, bought one from brunt which was a godroll and then upgraded it and got surge and t4 warp nexus it was insane

[summer prairie]

There's not much point in full charging purg

[raw token]

isnt it more peril efficient

[still hearth]

Less downtime

I think

I haven't actually tested the difference between quick charging though

[summer prairie]

Not really

[still hearth]

Well

I like not charging it repeatedly then

It's more fun to keep it going

There we go

[summer prairie]

Yes

[still hearth]

That left one would have been perfect if it could swap to Surge

Well

Actually it'd want both blessings replaced I think

[raw token]

yh

[still hearth]

But the right one is still neat

[keen harbor]

They both have no issues in damnation

[still hearth]

Yeah

But

So does a gray one so

It's really just min maxing stuff anyway

A lot of things don't matter as much as it might be talked about tbh

[languid osprey]

hey siblings what was the best force sword for clearing hordes? i been playing with the mk4 dueling for hordes and want to swap it

[still hearth]

Illisi

[languid osprey]

got it

thx

wow that was fast lmao

[still hearth]

Some other good options are Chainswords and Antax with Brutal Momentum

Oh and Devil Claw is good now too

[keen harbor]

Illis

[languid osprey]

chaiswords sounds heavy for my weak old arms

[raw token]

what makes it good other than the parry?

[still hearth]

Its cleave was always good and now its damage is reasonable

[keen harbor]

Illis you charge it with special, and take a heavy swing into a horde. It'll usually lop off about 3~8 heads

[still hearth]

And its way faster than a power sword and has infinite dodges

[keen harbor]

downside is you will blow up if you push at 100% peril

[raw token]

wait the devil claw has infinite dodges?

[still hearth]

No no the Illisi

But Devil CLaw has like 5 dodges

[raw token]

the illisi is a powersword

[still hearth]

Which is basically infinte anyway

[maiden prism]

currently using a Deimos but I am looking for a Good Illisl to swap to

[stone totem]

Is brain rupture ass or do I need to get to the bottom of the tree for it to be usable?

[still hearth]

It is mid

[stone totem]

Indeed it is

[still hearth]

It works

[stone totem]

It definitely hits enemies

[still hearth]

Some people really like it

I think its not great

[keen harbor]

It's quite strong with EP

[stone totem]

I think it wouldn't be so obnoxious if it wasn't bugged to shit

[raw token]

yeah was gonna say, really good with EP

[stone totem]

Considering if you use your right click to charge up, you don't get the benefits of the combat ability upgrade

[still hearth]

Idk I still think its not great with EP

[stone totem]

And also the right click seems bugged

Just resets the charge

[jaunty gust]

I haven't played since before the last few updates.

TL:DR me, is gun psyker a meme yet and which staves are good now

[still hearth]

I want EP and Warp Charges

Why cant I have both the quick speed things

[keen harbor]

If you have EP, and use your ability, you can get off like 4~5 in quick succession, and does good damage

[raw token]

void is busted will get nerfed gunker is highest boss damage

[still hearth]

Assail is braindead and good

[jaunty gust]

👍

[still hearth]

Shield spam with warp charges is bugged. Infinite lightning with Empowered is bugged. Surge is good now.

[ornate hamlet]

How does assail work against nurgles blessing auric damnation on hi shock troop gauntlet with many monstrosities?

[still hearth]

Better than BB. Maybe not better than smite but smite doesn't work on nurgle blessing anyway

[stone totem]

I wish brain rupture was better considering how damn precise you have to be to use it in tense situations

And how much you actually have to think

Unlike the other blitzes

[still hearth]

BB needs to one-shot all non-bosses without boosts

Lets go

[ornate hamlet]

I'd actually use BB over assail for the setup I said.

[still hearth]

[raw token]

well it does prioritise elites and specials

[still hearth]

Well that's fine.

[still hearth]

It doesn't they're just taller

[stone totem]

I've noticed, but it does still tend to get stuck on non-specials at times

[still hearth]

Idk if it actually does or doesn't

[raw token]

it does

[ornate hamlet]

btw, what's BiS for stats, perks and blessings for a bleed knife?

[knotty river]

when i want to BB a special in a horde i just jump

[autumn smelt]

look at elite
click and hold
look away

[still hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/vtuber-foxplushy-vtuber-fox-anime-fox-vtuber-foxy-gif-25303116

[keen harbor]

I don't take BB/BR, because I want the skill on the right, and am too lazy to quell while side stepping like I am playing a halflife2 speedrun

[ornate hamlet]

@still hearth can i have a rundown on the bleed knife

[autumn smelt]

hate and prejudice

[still hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/grin-anime-evil-plan-happy-gif-16302288

[ebon jolt]

Has anyone tried gaze with an illisi sword with exorcist? I want to test it but I don’t have the blessing and the crafting system in this game hurts my soul.

[still hearth]

Scrier has a lot of issues outside of just upkeep I think

[stone totem]

It gets better when you realize the "click and hold part" is like five entire seconds where you're vulnerable, for what's not even a one shot on a lot of stuff

[still hearth]

Like some of the buffs don't activate until it goes on CD.

[autumn smelt]

not really with it

[paper fern]

What crafting system?

[autumn smelt]

dodges

which youd be doing regardless of what youre running

[ornate hamlet]

I actually ran this, you'd be better off using a mk IV as unless you are 100% on point with your swings on a horde, it wont be as effective as another blade.

[stone totem]

Okay Rick™ from hit series Rick and Morty™

[autumn smelt]

thats me

but in all seriousness, its not as bad as you think when you get used to it

[stone totem]

The point is it's doggy for the time you spend on it

[still hearth]

It probably isn't but there's something about just throwing 10 assail shards and drawing your other weapon

[ornate hamlet]

On paper, a deimos blade would be better as its faster at getting headshots, but when you're spamming lmb, you miss a lot. If you can counter that, deimos would be the best blade and might fare better than the illisi.

[stone totem]

Maybe the glorious thunder hammer cocaine has spoiled me with both good wave management and instant special dispatching, but it really is not good 💀

[still hearth]

I mean its very good at what it does

But it doesn't kill most things very quickly, yeah.

[autumn smelt]

yeah, my point is that youre just not used to it
which is by no means me saying "get good", its a vey differently used tool

it can be greatly buffed with charge rate and nodes in the skill tree too

[ebon jolt]

My biggest issue with gaze is it doesn’t work with warp charges. Not sure if that’s a bug. If you could get the CDR you could basically have 100% uptime on the buffs.

[still hearth]

That's definitely a bug since that's literally the primary function of warp charges

[stone totem]

Maybe I could get used to it a little more, its quirks just make it feel so bad though. Like for example trying to take out one crusher at a time in a patrol of crushers is worthless because the one you hit falls backwards on his ass and gets enveloped by the other ten

[autumn smelt]

when assail gets gutted, itll be back in its spot of being the "fuck this guy " tool in the psyker kit

[stone totem]

I will continue leveling, maybe it feels better soon

[ebon jolt]

Thanks for the tip. I have no decent Deimos blade at the moment. On top of not having the blessing. So one day I’ll get a chance to try…

[autumn smelt]

cuz i mean come on
you can literally hit anyone in 1 hit from any range and you only need line of sight for 1 frame of it

[ebon jolt]

If assail gets nerfed and the bugs for dome shield and smite both get fixed I think Psyker is going to be in a rough spot.

[autumn smelt]

anytime that someones in a weird spot like a bomber or sniper in the rafters and no one can hit it, brain burst is always there for you

trapper or dog running? blow up their mind

[still hearth]

They'd have to nerf Trauma, Voidstrike, Vraks 3, smite in general, dome in general, warp charges

Before Psyker is in a bad spot

And also Purgatus

[autumn smelt]

dont nerf trauma

[raw token]

even then its not a bad spot

[still hearth]

I mean it depends on how much its nerfed

[cold oasis]

Jesus christ, not the purgatus too

[still hearth]

And also

Most melee weapons

[autumn moth]

next patch: power sword 2 electric boogaloo doesn't get infinite dodges anymore

[cold oasis]

"Purgatus: Now it heals enemies"

[autumn moth]

[autumn smelt]

yeah this one doesnt make any sense tho

its currently the weakest of the 4

great at horde clear, but not much else

[still hearth]

That's not even true

It's insane at horde clear and kills anything that isn't carapace in the same beam

[autumn smelt]

the other staves just overshadow it atm

[lethal folio]

Have you tried it since the buff?

[stone totem]

Nomanus my beloved

[main tulip]

I mean, purgatus has its uses, but to nerf it you would need to make it tickle enemies

[autumn smelt]

oh dont get me wrong, its not bad by any means

[still hearth]

It also has the best combo with Shriek and Wwarp Charges

[raw token]

every weapon you just listed that realistically should get nerfed can be fixed by just reworking finesse

[astral oracle]

this will work for now i guess.

until i find another illisi + get more blessings

[still hearth]

I'd say the competition is close enough

[autumn smelt]

its just that its in a good spot and i dont think it needs any nerfs

[tough stump]

what soul blaze?

[still hearth]

That aside from "this weapon is better at X"

[ionic needle]

blue fire

[still hearth]

I don't think any of the staves are much stronger than the other

[runic hornet]

applied by multiple talenst and also the purgatus staff

[runic hornet]

voidstrike exists bro

[still hearth]

And some other staves with blessings

[tough stump]

how do i do that

[still hearth]

It still doesn't horde clear as well as Trauma and Purgatus

[runic hornet]

the horizontally moving fireball doesn't horde clear as well

[still hearth]

It doesn't

[autumn smelt]

but its still REALLY good at it

[still hearth]

It only cleaves 10 poxwalkers

[main tulip]

purgatus is basically crowd control 101,

[still hearth]

Yeah its not bad

[autumn smelt]

clears faster than melee does

[still hearth]

It's just not S tier++

Which purgatus is

So that's whay I'm saying

[autumn smelt]

but it is in every other regard

[still hearth]

Purgatus is the best horde clear weapon

Except when Trauma is

Which is specific situations

[autumn smelt]

purgatus is the best at horde clearing, which is 1 aspect
void is the best at every aspect, but only good at 1

[gaunt wagon]

if you want to talk horde clear assail is right there

[still hearth]

Ehhh

[main tulip]

Trauma is only good if the enemies all funnel into a small area,

[still hearth]

Voidstrike is just the best at damage (and CCing bosses for some reason)

[main tulip]

Otherwise its basically useless,

[autumn smelt]

unless you have a crit soulblaze build

[narrow crane]

My hot take is that everyone would like brain burst more if the hand animations were more varied than just "constipation hands" while waiting for a head to pop 30m away.

like imagine if you did 👉👌 while waiting for a gunner's head to pop instead

[gaunt wagon]

void and assail is a nice combo for dealing with every enemy type in the game

[runic hornet]

eh, the trauma "external blast radius" CCs everything it doesn't kill

[main tulip]

Thats true ig

[keen harbor]

Assail becomes really good when you have 2 psykers doing it on the team. If it's just a single psyker, purg is better

[narrow crane]

horrible take

[autumn smelt]

and deals damage, which soulblaze crit still applies to

[still hearth]

I still think blaze Trauma is worse than Purgatus most of the time

[autumn smelt]

like 2 damage, but that still enough to count

[still hearth]

But its not bad

[autumn smelt]

trauma is well rounded in all aspects

[still hearth]

Yeah its pretty good rn

Voidstrike needs to either

[autumn smelt]

its never a bad choice in any situation

[still hearth]

Do less damage again

[main tulip]

To be fair, i gave it like 2 runs and then gave up on it, it just didnt have enough opportunities to show its good side,

[still hearth]

Or do no cleave

[narrow crane]

Once Void gets nerfed Trauma will be king

[still hearth]

And also not stun bosses

Nah

[narrow crane]

DO WHAT I DID AND RUN IT FOR TWO DAYS PLS

[still hearth]

Surge will hopefully be fine

[ornate hamlet]

I'm not being unironic, is this good?

[autumn smelt]

we love one shots we love one shots

[main tulip]

if they dunk on purgatus i will,

[gaunt wagon]

axe on psyker?

[main tulip]

I mean, only time i use melee on psyker is to pick off single higher HP enemies that assail doesnt 1 shot, so an axe is a good option imo

[autumn smelt]

thats 75% power from just swingin, and you can have many more buffs cuz literally psyker

[ornate hamlet]

Pair with scriers gaze?

[autumn smelt]

that shit wont be good at clearing hordes fast, but GOD DAMN will it hit hard
but its fine
youre literally psyker

[gaunt wagon]

i find a force sword with deflector to be better for the unlimited dashes and the ability to block bullets while running away

[main tulip]

psyker doesnt need any melee to clear hordes, lmao

[gaunt wagon]

the only staff without horde clear is surge

and surge aint that bad at it

[still hearth]

@lethal folio what did they do to Purgatus?

[autumn smelt]

they increased the damage of the initial hit against enemies

[ornate hamlet]

gonna test this axe out on some ogryns

[lethal folio]

It does a lot more damage if you hold the fire on a target, and more direct damage in general.

[still hearth]

Ahh. I thought I saw that

It absolutely wiped infested in psykarnum

But I was like "it always did that I think??"

[narrow crane]

wait Purg got buffed

what

[still hearth]

[gaunt wagon]

yes

[autumn smelt]

yeah, it went from like 10 damage on hit to 40ish for smaller enemies

[narrow crane]

in the hotfix???

💀

[autumn smelt]

the patch

13

[lethal folio]

Hold purgatus on a mauler, and then switch to zealot and try it with a flamer.

[narrow crane]

oh

[lethal folio]

you'll notice the difference.

[autumn smelt]

but only for the Hit not the burn

[lethal folio]

or easier, I can make a clip.

[still hearth]

Purgatus stronger??

[main tulip]

That would prolly be useful for chaos spawn on malice, which still manage to teamwipe on lvl 17.

[still hearth]

[still hearth]

Yes please

[gaunt wagon]

malice?

[autumn smelt]

it deals 4x as much damage generally across the board if you dont include burns

[ornate hamlet]

At max stacks, this axe 3 shots armored ogryns

[autumn smelt]

but burns are where 75% of your damage comes from for stronger enemies, so its generally more noticable against hordes

[gaunt wagon]

if you want to deal with monstrosities use voidstrike

[olive ember]

So it can kill anything mauler or weaker even faster now

[main tulip]

malice diff, playing random teams is hit or miss, either i get teammates who decimate with 0 casualties, or somehow manage to die to 4 unarmored enemies

[autumn smelt]

yeah

which tbh is good

[olive ember]

Maybe i will run a purge dueling sword

Build

[gaunt wagon]

but psyker just aint that good at fighting monsters otherwise

[lethal folio]

a stron purg disadvantage was melee elites rushing through the flames

[narrow crane]

dueling sword goat

[gaunt wagon]

plus you find better randoms at higher difficulties

[acoustic spade]

friends wanted to do damnation "Nah we dont want to push forward for the objective, lets deal with this horde here"
horde doesnt stop
ragers spawn
"What do you mean you cant block ragers?"

[carmine agate]

stabby stab

[autumn smelt]

unless you have a dedicated build solely for that, like a scriers vraks3 build, which can kill a plague ogryn in 1 magazine

[north cradle]

How does this look as a Brain Burst build with a Deimos and Voidstrike

[olive ember]

I mean you can but in darktide it’s all dodging

Which is def weird since in VT you block ragers iirc

[gaunt wagon]

gun psyker?

[autumn smelt]

are you leaning more into bb or voidstrike?

[keen harbor]

I played malice once during this patch, so I could complete melk missions of "complete missions without any deaths" I thought it would be easy.
Malice players always finding new and interesting ways to commit seppuku

[north cradle]

Probably into Brain Burst, since Voidstrike is more for taking out chaff

[acoustic spade]

you "can" but all your toughness gets stripped everytime you block

[shell torrent]

Devil claw 1 shotting ragers is too good

[olive ember]

If you think the average Damnation player is bad

Take that skill level and make it worse

And tads malice players

[autumn smelt]

if youre using voidstrike more, id use disrupt destiny
and not taking perilous combustion is literally throwing tbh, you can take one of the stat nodes at the bottom and throw it on that up there

[olive ember]

Except malice is ez so it’s a lot more forgiving

[keen harbor]

the mobs don't even hit that hard in malice

[olive ember]

Eh? I can block ragers fine enough

With kinetic deflection kekw

[keen harbor]

and yet 3 headless chickens running around, getting killed somehow

[autumn smelt]

also take that middle EP node, it gives the toughness regen to your team too

[north cradle]

I'm happy to hear that the talent formerly known as Wrack and Ruin is now useful

[acoustic spade]

Yeah, not everyone is running a psyker tho

[tropic geyser]

what is a perfect, non + wound, curio? blessing and all 3 perks?

[olive ember]

Shhh

[autumn smelt]

ik im basically just telling you to change most of it, but not having some of these is missing out on free damage, like creeping flames and its previous node, which pairs nicely with kinetic barrage for reduced peril generation

[olive ember]

Just tell em to take all stam curios

(Please dont)

[acoustic spade]

I was just trying to keep everything smited but they didnt die fast enough even with the +10% dmg talent

[olive ember]

Smite damage is kinda mid

You will be relying on teammates to kill the shit you smite

[lethal folio]

It's low

[north cradle]

It's only two nodes, I think it'll be worth

[tropic geyser]

not with unlimited lightning right now with a psionic charge

[acoustic spade]

That was the idea

[olive ember]

Eh that’s a bug and it still takes ages

[north cradle]

I would not build around a bug, to be honest with you

[thorn cedar]

what are we demonstrating here i dont follow lol

[tropic geyser]

haha ya but its the only thing making it worthwhile lol once they patch that >_>

[keen harbor]

smite is useful when it's a 10 pack of crushers

[autumn smelt]

yeah, creeping flames, perilous combustion, the middle EP node are ones id add

[olive ember]

Not bad mauler damage did purge honestly

[lethal folio]

The mauler takes a lot more damage from the purgstream.

[acoustic spade]

I'm not running Empowered Psionics except on the Assail loadout I play when my smite-hating friend is around

[olive ember]

Comparable to surge staff kekw considering purge has infinite cleave

[thorn cedar]

Gotcha

[tropic geyser]

but anyone? if you could have your perfect curio? what would be the whole thing?

[autumn smelt]

you can sacrifice the stat nodes, and the left side nodes at the bottom (quell speed and coherency radius) to get them

[keen harbor]

smite also needs to not kill frame rates

[tropic geyser]

doesnt kill mine and its all i have been using

[keen harbor]

Well I am running crappier hardware

[autumn smelt]

it can kill other peoples frames though

[tropic geyser]

i have a 3070, nothing crazy

[north cradle]

okie

[keen harbor]

Yeah, I have a 1070Ti and 2050

[olive ember]

Oof

[keen harbor]

It's fine, until smite animation bugs out or something and dumps an infinite number of chained bolts

[royal granite]

not a big fan of infinite smite bug users for this reason

horde shows up and the game just immediately drops to 30fps

[keen harbor]

probably needs a cap on number of effects that gets animated

[north cradle]

Oh, what the hell, my loadouts all went away

[olive ember]

Smite users should prob get used to warp charges

Cuz that’s going to be what is meta for smite once the bug is fixed assuming it doesn’t get buffed

With the warp resist n all that

[acoustic spade]

Thats what I've been using since day1 of the patch :P

[olive ember]

New patch deleted loadouts

Kinda funny

[north cradle]

Wack

[keen harbor]

I can't remember any of the other loadouts I had. I probably am suffering from foggy brain right now

[ionic needle]

So what do I want on chainsword? Using it mostly to kill mutants and deal boss damage

[acoustic spade]

Apparently my friend gets the infinite Smite bug with weapon switching into smiting without Empowered Psionics

[ionic needle]

Got bloodletter and rampage with flak and unyielding on my current one

[keen harbor]

There are a bunch of animation bugs this patch

[acoustic spade]

Who was it that said that Wiping in Damnation gets more Diamantine than just running malice and completing the missions?

[olive ember]

More or less yeah

Well idk why you care about diamantine

It’s plasteel that’s the limiting resource if you play mostly Damnation

[keen harbor]

Like you can use an ability, it animates partially and either gets wasted, or doesn't go off

[acoustic spade]

Because I have none

[olive ember]

E

[ionic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/mother-of-god-gif-10218431

[olive ember]

Yeah I think diamantine is the limiting resource if you play lower difficulties

But when you move up to Damnation + it just gives you a bunch of diamantine and none of the plasteel

[keen harbor]

I have about 65k surplus of diamantine

[autumn smelt]

that was me i think

[fallow loom]

what perks should i look for in my curios?

[acoustic spade]

I only got like 100 diamantine after a 20 minute wipe

[autumn smelt]

youd get 50-70 in a malice mission

[acoustic spade]

where as a 30minute Malice gives like 200

[autumn smelt]

how are you getting 200 diamantine in malice

thats more than you can get in damnation

[tropic geyser]

i go for this

[ionic needle]

Sniper/Gunner resistance is really good

[keen harbor]

CAR doesn't do as much as your skills. You are better off with resistance

[tropic geyser]

with bubble shield i havent noticed i need it as much, depends what you run though

[acoustic spade]

Clear every little nook and cranny cause you have time to do it

[tropic geyser]

I use the bubble shield so its huge for me, saves so many situations

[north cradle]

And this here for Purgatus?

[ebon jolt]

I’m a sucker for stamina regeneration.

[slate oasis]

what are peoples opinions on the surge blessing? I've been using it on voidstrike with a crit build, but I legit can't tell if it's better to just use my staff with warp flurry to just shoot more quickly instead

[autumn smelt]

surge is top tier with warp nexus

[olive ember]

Top tier is

[keen harbor]

Stamina regen and Toughness regen on curios only works when you are in coherency of teammates

[tropic geyser]

looking for a surge to test this right now, as i currently use quell actually so I dont have to worry about peril

[keen harbor]

So they are extra useless

[olive ember]

I mean people for wte reason think surge is top tier which is

A take