psyker-class

[glad meadow]

but is this good for cc?

wait psycher get cleaver too?

[woven pumice]

claw sword i mean

[olive ember]

Those are both useless blessings on trauma

You want either warp flurry + rending shockwave or warp nexus + blazing spirit

[royal falcon]

how do you ADS with a staff is a better question

[narrow crane]

terrifying barrage is probably the worst blessing in the game, right next to hipfire lmao

Warp Flurry and Rending Shockwave is my choice because it drastically amplifies your team's damage on armoured enemies, but warp nexus + blaze is also good

[weary bramble]

does assail count towards my weekly ranged contracts?

[empty onyx]

Maybe in combination with the new Powder burn, but even then I think Powder Burn might work that magic by itself.

[summer prairie]

terrifying barrage was fixed

[woven pumice]

what does suppress actually do in practice

just make things run away?

[empty onyx]

Makes enemis cower and not shoot back.

[woven pumice]

I mean more for enemies that would actually be in melee range

maybe i misread terrifying barrage

[empty onyx]

Makes enemis cower and not attack back.

[woven pumice]

is it in an aoe around yourself on close range kill or around the target

[summer prairie]

the target

[woven pumice]

ig that sounds better

"close range" seems to not actually be that close

[lethal folio]

close range is 8m

[royal falcon]

terrifying barrage's usefulness depends on the staff right

[languid osprey]

siblings i need help i cannot decide if switching 2 perks or switching transfer peril for surge or something

[lethal folio]

terrifying barrage is a 12m explosion of 30 suppression

[empty onyx]

Transfer Peril on Voidstrike is pretty dope.

If you hit the horde right it basically refunds your attack, and then some possibly.

[languid osprey]

it is my last one had it but idk about double explosion on crit

Maybe is overkill

[weary bramble]

do the stats roll higher with higher item rating?

[weak smelt]

Question, how do you get gear with such good base stats. Is it level dependant or completely rng. I ask as I'm lvl 16 for my psyker

[empty onyx]

Opposite. The Item Rating is based on the value of the stats.

[weary bramble]

oh

[empty onyx]

The base rating is literally just the stats added up.

[languid osprey]

Im lvl 30 and been rolling gray staffs for like 500000k gold

[weary bramble]

so the ranges of damage, quell speed...etc is entirely rng?

[languid osprey]

Yup

[weary bramble]

oh thats fun

[languid osprey]

wait to get a good roll and getting rnged on the perks

[weak smelt]

Jesus, why so much gold lol

[languid osprey]

i like machine slots lmao

[drifting shore]

Of the 4 staves we get, which ones are good and which ones are shit

[languid osprey]

everyone shines in something

purg is fun and clears like crazy surge great cc etc etc

try all

void is broken right now

[empty onyx]

They all got their niche.

[drifting shore]

how is void broken?

[languid osprey]

dmg

is like super easy to play imo

[weak smelt]

So basically i need to start rolling for gear at 30 and not now

[unreal tapir]

im about to go drop a bunch of gold on rolling white void staves too. the one i have is complete junk with sub 60 damage and charge rate but it already 2 hits everything. almost feels unneccesary but i want that monstrosity damage

[languid osprey]

is better to wait to lvl 30 or atleast it was when the game released if a remember correctly right now just play try stuff and have fun

that way youll have more stuff when u hit 30

[empty onyx]

Void is probably the most versatile and the only staff with long range (with charged attacks, that is).
Purgatus is Flamethrower, so horde clear but lack of range.
Trauma is pretty good damage both for single targets and groups, but also limited in range.
Surge...not sure what the new Surge does exactly tbh. I think it's a lot of damage to a small number of targets.

[narrow crane]

Yes, just get gear good enough for you to run through Malice missions and start grinding gear at 30

[unreal tapir]

nice only 200k gold in

[languid osprey]

new surge is a great crit machine with good cc i think

[narrow crane]

save as many mats as possible, you'll burn through plasteel like water

[unreal tapir]

pray i hit at least mediocre perks or blessings on upgrading

[empty onyx]

Water doesn't burn!

[weak smelt]

Any suggestions as to a good power level to settle on for malice? I mostly play with randoms

[narrow crane]

not with that attitude

[languid osprey]

i think the dump stat is quell but it does look clean

ill switch perks on mine transfer peril works well

[weary bramble]

should I save all my mats till I hit like 500 item level than go all out on trying to get BiS?

[tropic geyser]

getting a tier 4 "transfer peril" on my trauma staff but not my voidstrike 😢

[narrow crane]

I would definitely stop rolling gear at like, level 15? Honestly the meta answer is to stop rolling gear when you unlock Assail and just use that 😭

[wind hill]

If I want to go for a psyker Melee build
Should I get "Warp Siphon" or "Disrupt Destiny" ?

[scenic pike]

yo any psyker gamer can help me with something

[weak smelt]

Lol so I'm already there

[languid osprey]

Dont really rush things hoard and then waste on the weapon u like rn almost every weapon is great

[languid osprey]

what?

[unreal tapir]

hmm is blazing spirit any good? definitely going to reroll run n gun into crit and sprint efficiency into more damage

[narrow crane]

Yeah the reality of gear rn is that it can take hundreds of hours to roll a T4 blessing because Melk's shop sucks ass, plasteel is incredibly sparse even when grinding Damnation, and best chance of T4 blessing rolls are on base stat weapons of 360+

[scenic pike]

im trying out new psyker builds but i just cant do anything without venting shriek, i just keep dying

[narrow crane]

so it's a nightmare either way

[languid osprey]

honestly is something to do while u fail malestorms

[scenic pike]

sometimes i hit 100% peril and insta die, sometimes i can stay on 100% for like 5 secs no problem i just dont get it

im too used to having an ult that just saves me from nuking myself

[narrow crane]

you want Surge +Warp Nexus right now, anything else is kinda meh

[unreal tapir]

makes sense, ill just keep sprint eff on it then

[tropic geyser]

Blazing spirit is ok if you are going the soulblaze build in the talent tree. I dont use that for my crit build, so transfer peril and warp nexus are necessary for me. I can maintain +80% peril for the crit chance, and head shots keep it from overheating

[wind hill]

?

[languid osprey]

well venting ult is the best so dont stress to much

[narrow crane]

Warp Siphon imho, I haven't touched Disrupt Destiny much at all, seems tedious

[empty onyx]

Warp Siphon is probably the more safe and consistent option, with +24% Damage and the 30% Toughness Regen.
Disrupt Destiny is more speedy and has a higher damage output (15% Damage, 30% Crit Damage, 37.5% Weakspot Damage, up to 30% Damage, 60% Crit Damage and 75% Weakspot Damage, if you can keep the stacks up, but I like the extra stack timer more), but you lack the Toughness Regen. I compensated that through Inspiring Barrage.

[languid osprey]

maybe u have a perk that perils a bit and thats why u dont die sometimes

[scenic pike]

sciers just looks so broken in terms of damage but i just keep dying to myself. or stuck trying to get rid of peril instead of doing something useful

[long wharf]

Disrupt Destiny is also... wonky

it's not reliable

[empty onyx]

Eh, fairly reliable, if you know what you're looking for.

[tropic geyser]

bubble shield is just too useful, especially with the +50% toughness damage reduction, I use it on most any build personally

[languid osprey]

is the only skill i have not tried so idk i just find the auto vent so goof for stress situations

[long wharf]

I really wish using the shield didn't use a warp charge

[narrow crane]

it's really not optimal for staves, way too finicky and there's no "panic button" when you're at critical peril. It's really meant for gun psykers

[languid osprey]

the bubble is amazing too

[long wharf]

make that a node or something

[languid osprey]

+1

[olive ember]

I mean the CDR gives you constant shields

[viscid matrix]

its bugged for that

[scenic pike]

gun psykers

[olive ember]

Yes but shhhh

[viscid matrix]

the term is gunkers

[scenic pike]

but i want staff and sciers

[long wharf]

the term is lunatics

[scenic pike]

but its just trash

[languid osprey]

i wish bubble did something once the trash mobs enter like slow them or something

[viscid matrix]

Scriers is actually best for a melee build

[viscid matrix]

dont get dome 😄

[scenic pike]

i mean purgatus with sciers is just massive crazy damage when u get it out but then u need time to recover

[empty onyx]

Very amusing with Mutant Gauntlets

[languid osprey]

oh i wish i had read the skill before asking lmao

[keen pawn]

this counts for force staff right? but does it count for assail and bio lightning?

[viscid matrix]

yes

[narrow crane]

Me too, but tbh Warp Nexus makes it irrelevant anyway—psyker isn't desperate for crit chance on staves, there's so much built in already

[keen pawn]

thanks

[tropic geyser]

anything not melee generally

[viscid matrix]

swap out Flurry for Surge

[narrow crane]

yeah

[narrow crane]

Flurry for Surge and honesty crit damage isnt needed

[tropic geyser]

That is good, but I find it hard to maintain DPS without transfer peril as a perk along with warp nexus

[keen pawn]

oh shit

is that new

I don't have flurry

[viscid matrix]

Warp Flurry blessing

[keen pawn]

what should I swap on crit damage

[long wharf]

carapace

or maniac

[viscid matrix]

Carapace, Flak or Maniac

[scenic pike]

sry whats warp nexus again

[naive imp]

i'm conflicted on getting shield or venting

feel like venting keeps you offensive af

[viscid matrix]

Warp nexus is Crit Chance per peril

more peril = more crit

[narrow crane]

crit chance scales with peril

[scenic pike]

ah

[narrow crane]

T4 gets you up to 20% I think

[keen pawn]

it does, but battle meditation from the skill tree is already great

[scenic pike]

thats a blessing right

[narrow crane]

yes

[viscid matrix]

yep, if you scroll up you can see a t4 blessing of it

[empty onyx]

The other upside with Disrupt Destiny is that the highlight seems to prefer special enemies (Specialists, Elite, Gunners), so it's like a spider sense that something dangerous is getting close.

[viscid matrix]

it only does those 3 types
it ignores everything else

[empty onyx]

And regular shooters.

Basically anything the Volleyfire with the "Also highlight Shooters" would highlight.

[scenic pike]

i kinda thought sciers was made for assail

[viscid matrix]

you did say gunners

[viscid matrix]

nah its made for melee and guns

[keen pawn]

what's the best passive for bio lightning, empowered psionics for infinite cast?

[empty onyx]

I meant the hotshots specifically there.

[viscid matrix]

until they patch that yes, otherwise anthing is fine

[empty onyx]

And shotguns.

[austere burrow]

Alright nvm purg kinda ass

Not being able to handle gunners is a major weakness

[narrow crane]

it's made for everything really, but the risk of using it with Peril based weapons is much, much higher. blowing up as a psyker happens, but it's really something you should avoid at all costs.

[viscid matrix]

its a good weapon, it works well and if you get all the soulburn nodes on talent tree, it will work well

but every other staff is better

[austere burrow]

The way it controls mixed hordes is good

[viscid matrix]

Assail/Brain Rupture cover the weakness of Purga staff

[austere burrow]

But you can't kill priority stuff very fast

[woven pumice]

purg m1 stagger is very nice

[scenic pike]

idk the only way i dont blow myself up constantly is shriek tbh, all other ults seem pretty counteractive for the peril mechanic

[viscid matrix]

yes, you want to get brittle and nexus on it

[empty onyx]

Or Nexus and Blazing

[narrow crane]

Ehhhhh if you have nothing else its fine but damage could be better

[keen pawn]

does this stack with the auto-dodge on crit on the left

[viscid matrix]

yes

[woven pumice]

not really had any trouble, I've only used it with brain burst to cover longer ranges

[keen pawn]

my man

[viscid matrix]

grab either of these and Warp Nexus for Trauma staff

[unborn prawn]

Am i the only one having problems with some nodes taking my perk point and sounding like I'm filling it out, but the line not filling out and the points resetting after I leave the perk tree screen?

[narrow crane]

yeah that's why I only use shriek tbh,

[narrow crane]

its bugged

[empty onyx]

How does the auto dodge even work? Is it just Ghost on Crit with the addition of triggering dodge talents?

[austere burrow]

Yeah brain burst def feels like a must

[narrow crane]

it's worth getting for rolling T4 perks alone!

[viscid matrix]

its a bug, it actually does change it, just leave the inventory screen and go back in again

[scenic pike]

brittleness is armor pen yes

[naive imp]

anyone playing smite + void staff?

[unborn prawn]

thanks

[viscid matrix]

it reduces enemies armour for everyone

[scenic pike]

they changed it too appearently it works on anything now, inncreasing your damage

[narrow crane]

Brittleness applies to ALL armors afaik

[empty onyx]

Brittleness reduces armor for all. Armor pen just for you is Rending.

[austere burrow]

Maybe I should run bubble instead of yell

[narrow crane]

not optimal

[weary bramble]

what build should I use for higher difficulties?

[lethal folio]

Brittleness is rending.

[viscid matrix]

Shriek is a very good way to spread Soulburn around, and vent if you make a mistake and are going to explode
also good at clearing an area

Shield is better but you lose that 50% peril dump

[narrow crane]

Soulblaze really relies on crit chance, you wanna have Warp Nexus for that and be playing at high peril

[keen pawn]

wait, how am I getting double shields sometimes

[woven pumice]

warp charges

[keen pawn]

ohhhh

[lethal folio]

bugs

[viscid matrix]

Warp Charges is bugged

instead of 7.5% per warp charge like it is for Vent, its 100% for Dome and 0% for Scriers

[keen pawn]

ugh

there's so many bugs that i'm gonna get used to them

[urban dove]

for dome sheild specifically

btw

[austere burrow]

Peril hasn't felt particularly bad on purg

[narrow crane]

Yeah once again take everyone's recommendations with a grain of salt cus who knows what the fuck is working as intended LOL

[woven pumice]

someone said it's regular shield too unless you have 2 charges node

[keen pawn]

I hope they buff the other staffs before they nerf voidstrike...

[urban dove]

always prefer buffs over nerfs

[woven pumice]

buff trauma to make it ragdoll monstrosities too

[viscid matrix]

Void is op right now 😄 its definetly gonna lose a bit of power

[woven pumice]

[keen pawn]

definitely

[urban dove]

nothing is OP if everything is OP

[west robin]

just bring the power level of the others up

[keen pawn]

they need to

because they're worthless atm

[narrow crane]

bruh

[empty onyx]

The issue with buffs over nerfs is that you risk power creep.

[viscid matrix]

Void is way overtuned, it trivialises the heavily armoured enemies
Assail is the opposite but still overtuned where it trivialises hordes

[narrow crane]

cant wait til people figure out how busted Ogryn is

[austere burrow]

My issue with purg is probably just a playstyle thing honestly, I like being able to handle high priority stuff quickly and purg is the only staff that isn't super good at that

[viscid matrix]

the Ogryns are aware 😄

https://streamable.com/8m5o4g

[urban dove]

so its an optimal build ? and we are complaing about optimazation ?

[austere burrow]

Not being able to quickly interrupt flamers is kinda sad

[distant quartz]

Smite with psionic is so broken

[viscid matrix]

its BIS for a damage build
Smite is BIS for a support build

[woven pumice]

obviously people aren't complaining because it's too balanced

[viscid matrix]

its vastly more powerful than everything else at doing its job

[narrow crane]

every Ogryn I've played with since patch is clocking in 500k+ damage and 100k boss damage every run lmao

[keen pawn]

what gun is that

[viscid matrix]

the Void staff should not be capable of 1shoting mutiple crushers running at you

[stable silo]

i just spam assail and voidstrike while furiously listening to techno music and ignoring all audio ques

aaah damnation

[languid osprey]

compared to what? i feel every class has a build that deals as much dmg

[viscid matrix]

i believe that is a Stubba

[urban dove]

so what should we use to deal with Multiple crushers running at us ?

[narrow crane]

not with the safety that Void provides

[narrow crane]

Trauma or Void

[viscid matrix]

yes, it can 1shot unlimted crushers in a line if it has guarenteed crit

[stable silo]

shout at them to weaken their morale and shoot energy blobs from your staff after charging it up

[urban dove]

But hes saying void shouldnt be doing that and i disagree i feel like thats the entire point of the staff ?

[viscid matrix]

look at that damage
and think about Surge double hitting on a crit headshot

[languid osprey]

hm maybe but that really depends because with void u are really static

[stable silo]

oooh if only quel and damage were swapped

[stuck bridge]

my favorite part about the void staff is trying to talk about other staves and being told "just use void"

[narrow crane]

I think we're saying that it's fine that Void has the range that it has, but it should NOT be doing the damage that it is, especially when it has access to the Surge blessing

[urban dove]

I think if we are gonna nerf Void just take the Cleave away. but I think Void Should be the i wanna fucking one shot whatever is standing in front of me

[woven pumice]

or just make it's projectile less fat

[royal granite]

just make void the same as it was before the patch

it wasn't broken then

[viscid matrix]

then it should have a much higher peril cost

[runic hornet]

void was perfectly fine prepatch

[stable silo]

void is rail gun trauma is targeted explosion but void explosion at the point of contact is almost as big as trauma

[runic hornet]

I have no idea why they buffed it out of its mind

[narrow crane]

Hard disagree, I have insane mobility quickly switching off to my dueling sword to make distance and sending out Void shots with ease

[runic hornet]

now void staff is just a nuclear missile

[woven pumice]

don't remember people complaining this much about sienna's bolt staff and it's functionally the same as voidstrike just with a much thinner projectile

[royal granite]

i'm worried they'll over nerf void, it was always my favourite staff

[runic hornet]

because boltstaff headshots like a few stormvermin

voidstrike is "what if boltstaff also shot a fireball"

[woven pumice]

that's what I'm saying 😭

[keen pawn]

yeah fatshark has a sad history of over-nerfing things

to the point they are useless

[royal granite]

also everyone in vermintide has access to at least one kind of hitscan or near-hitscan headshot machine

[viscid matrix]

every other staff we have is viable in all content, and then we have Void which 1shots all armoured enemies or staggerlocks them so you can guarenteed keep hitting them

[narrow crane]

Sienna also doesn't have ASSAIL 😭😭😭😭 you have to evaluate the weapon in context of the entire kit

[royal granite]

the bolt staff does what a gun does in vermintide, but it has a charge time

[runic hornet]

that's... every staff except purgatus really

they all stun armor

[woven pumice]

that's assails problem

I'm not a fan of it

[narrow crane]

It's a Psyker problem currently

[viscid matrix]

Assail is overtuned too, it has far too much ammo

[runic hornet]

assail should have been like a volley you unleash that charges up

like the fantasy of "throw assail and it deletes an area" is basically a vet frag grenade in terms of timing and fantasy

the problem is that they decided to give you... 10 of them

constnatly recharging

[tired estuary]

Assail should be something that isn't intensely boring

[solid lake]

Sienna had assail back before they nerfed the lose heat on crit. You used to be able to hold left click and never overheat till you ran out of targets. (Bolt staff)

[naive imp]

assail is broken

period

[frank moat]

I want assail nerfed just so I don’t feel so bad for using it

I do find it hella fun on higher difficulties but it’s absolutely borked

[viscid matrix]

its damage is fine, it just needs it ammo regen reduced by at least half

[woven pumice]

sounds more fun than assail

[long wharf]

shame my psyker can't give this to my veteran

[olive ember]

Smh assail is perfectly balanced

[woven pumice]

bolt staff left click feels good, assail doesn't 😭

[naive imp]

i started playing on malice with it and top fragging consistently

[olive ember]

Stop nerfing my fun away

[urban dove]

Assain isnt Op ? bro. Yall need to stop looking at the entire kit and look at the individual. If you ran only assail and nothing else a crusher would walk up to you and one shot you at some point . Assail isnt any stronger than Purge Staff . they serve the same purpose which is Wave management

and you would die do literally any boss

[keen pawn]

plus if you're not paying attention, assail will blow you up.

[tired estuary]

Or you could learn to melee

[viscid matrix]

i play an Assail build, i just swap to this weapon to deal with crushers in 3 hits

[solid lake]

I think if assail was less good against carapace, it'd be fine. It shouldnt be able to kill maulers as well as it does, the horde clear is fine.

[urban dove]

Yeah but that means Psyker is OP not Assail specifically

[royal granite]

assail is dogwater against carapace

[keen pawn]

assail isn't good against carapace

[royal granite]

maulers only have carapace on the head

[viscid matrix]

and yet i can throw out 10 shards and kill carapace enemies due to crits
and be back to full ammo in 1minute

[runic hornet]

yeah, maulers are flak

[naive imp]

assail is like being in 3 places at once

[narrow crane]

art thou deadass

[frank moat]

I’ve got a Deimos for monstrosities, a revolver with stupid crit for Crushers and for giving assail rending. Assail kills everything else, including Maulers.

[runic hornet]

oh, yeah

rending assails

that's a thing.

[bright flame]

so whats a good psyker sword in the current update

[narrow crane]

new copypasta

[runic hornet]

some people aren't using rending assails

[frank moat]

Yea, and that ain’t getting fixed any time soon considering it’s been a thing since launch

[runic hornet]

they're missing out on the comedy

[feral verge]

illisi force sword for horde clear, deimos force sword for single target dps

[royal granite]

assail's damage against carapace isn't really the issue with it

[fossil lagoon]

MK IV duelling sword

[olive ember]

I mean that’s a bug with revolver’s blessing

[feral verge]

mk4 dueling sword for single target dps

[olive ember]

Not assail smh

[urban dove]

if yall think Assail is broken i want you to go ahead run a whole Mission Solo and only use Assail. no sword no staff

[austere burrow]

Rending assails...

[keen pawn]

dueling sword if you're a bad ass

[runic hornet]

it's funny

[bright flame]

NICE

[olive ember]

Assail is perfectly balanced yep yep

[royal granite]

the issue with assail is that it's a horde clear tool that also obliterates nearly every special

[austere burrow]

Someone did this already

[bright flame]

not only is chain axe good on vet now but the swag sword is meta

[olive ember]

It isn’t horde clear it’s supposed to be anti special imo

[urban dove]

so does purge staff ?

[royal granite]

purge staff isn't as efficient as assail

[naive imp]

1 assail psyker lowers difficulty by -1. two assails make the game so easy you have to try and lose

[fossil lagoon]

MK IV sword heavy attacks to the head do crazy dmg

vry good way to 1shot mutants

[olive ember]

It s got too good horde clear but I wouldn’t be using assail for pure hordes

[woven pumice]

isn't that what brain burst's job is supposed to be?

[narrow crane]

Saying Assail is basically like Purge staff has gotta be top 5 cognitive dissonance moments in this discord

[feral verge]

here are what good deimos'/illisi' look like

[olive ember]

BB is like super heavy targets like maulers+ I always though assail was meant to handle shotgunner packs etc

[bright flame]

i was in a damnation with 2 asail psykers and a smite psyker and i didnt get to play the game

[urban dove]

they both serve the same purpose and have the same TTK

[languid osprey]

while i fell some thing are a bit too much im having a hard time on auric when not counting things like perma smite so idk about big nerfs

[olive ember]

Were you the smite psyker

[bright flame]

ignore the 3 i cant type or count

[woven pumice]

ironically bb is worse for those targets than voidstrike 😭 it's so sad

[royal granite]

ALL THAT SAID
whenever i run auric damnation and i get 2 assail psykers constantly running around with they crystals, they almost always pop themselves because of peril mismanagement

[naive imp]

perma smite is nothing compared to assail. ima be honest

[languid osprey]

is not like the game is a cakewalk

[royal granite]

like 2-3 times in the first 10 minutes

[olive ember]

Voidstrike is overtuned as shit

So eh

[languid osprey]

or maybe im a ogryn in heart

[olive ember]

And BB is undertuned apparently

Apparently rn BB can’t even one shot shotgunners

[royal granite]

stellar

[naive imp]

i was playing ogryn and have immediately jumped to malice and damnation. or whatever. t3-t4

[olive ember]

BB needs buffs surge needs buffs

[woven pumice]

Pretty sure it can

[olive ember]

And yeah

[royal granite]

damnation is difficulty 5

[bright flame]

btw when i have a question about weapon stats should i ask in a chat with a char that has the weapon or general chat

[olive ember]

Damnation is easy anyways

[woven pumice]

BB should be able to oneshot crushers at least

[olive ember]

If you are balancing around Damnation then everything is op

[narrow crane]

I mean youre joking right? Like what the hell?

I can dip in and out of cover almost INFINITELY taking out elites/specials easier than ever before with Assail. Purge has NOWEHERE near the range, accuracy, and single target damage that assail does. This is a delusional equivalency.

[naive imp]

have you played a new character in a minute?

i'm telling you. assail trivializes the game

[royal granite]

you can go either way, class specific is best though imo since you can get class specific advice

[olive ember]

I mean at lower levels yeah assail is op, since all the enemy health is low as shit but

That’s a difficulty scaling issue honestly

[ornate hamlet]

It just occured to me that if you use brain burst with Empowered Psionics on Auric missions, and you have a horde of gunners/elites you can chain brainburst until they're gone at no cost to peril at +50% speed +50%dmg.

[naive imp]

what are you considering "lower levels"

[austere burrow]

Assail is still op in damn though

Lol

[olive ember]

Damnation and lower

[raw token]

assail is op end of

[ornate hamlet]

Assail is balanced on Auric Damnation.

[naive imp]

i went from mainly sedition/uprsing to malice/heresy and the only thing i changed was swaping from smite to assail. lol

[woven pumice]

and if you have psionics and are at 100%, casting brain burst only pops you if it doesn't kill it's target

[bright flame]

well whats more important on the swag sword higher stat percentages and a good dump stat or better power ranking with lesser stats

[olive ember]

Here’s the thing

[royal granite]

assail is a little strong on auric damnation as well, but every other psyker i see run it uses it almost exclusively and gets they psykussy ate as a result

[spark parcel]

I have not played since they introduced Auric missions, do mobs in Auric Damnation have more hit points and armor than mobs in regular Damnation?

[ornate hamlet]

Venting scream as backup, but I was at 0% peril testing it just now.

[woven pumice]

not sure if that's only for specials

[olive ember]

I consider anything Damnation and below easy so

It’s like taking a recon las on sedition and mowing everything down and going wow recon is op

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[royal granite]

what is a swag sword

[narrow crane]

probably dueling sword lmao

[royal granite]

duelling sword is unique to psyker isn't it?

[olive ember]

Yes

[narrow crane]

uh yeah idk what theyre referring to im just joking

[raw token]

yes literally the only reason people might not quite see the power of assail is because psykers use it like a main weapon, when you use a staff and melee and sprinkle in assail its the most broken thing ever

[woven pumice]

I've been enjoying empowered brain burst a lot, especially with the bonus charge speed for 10s after ability, you can burst packs of gunners and snipers very well

[olive ember]

Auric Damnation Psyker who don’t know how to play psyker

[bright flame]

yea i worded it for the psyker but the questing is also a general one
is better stats > higher ranking

[olive ember]

Truly a yikes

[feral verge]

the stats contribute to the ranking

[narrow crane]

yes

thats why dump stats are a thing

[errant vessel]

I run the entire map with Assail, very rarely taking my beloved Dueling Sword. And still I have top damage. Although I adore Assail, it tear everyone apart even without 2 modifiers... except Crushers maybe.

[urban dove]

I CANNOT UNDERSTAND. you are describing exsactly how i play and Its NOT OP or broken its an Optimal build ? Like how is it broken. beacuse it works ? its how the game should be played

[olive ember]

The influx of new and returning players makes playing higher difficulties kinda hard

[frank moat]

By the by, does anyone know what the base crit chance of Assail is? And can Smite crit?

[olive ember]

Holy shit I’m scatter brained

[hushed glade]

Assail makes the game easy mode, it's like you aren't even playing a game, don't even need to aim

[royal granite]

yeah ranking is a derived thing, it doesn't do anything on its own

[olive ember]

Honestly every class is overtuned at the moment

It’s not just assail psykers

[raw token]

i play it like that and its almost impossible for me to go down unless we're losing that should never be a thing on the highest difficulty

[narrow crane]

some stats have worse diminishing returns, which is why you can god roll a weapon thats like ~ 350 base stats but if it's 80 in all the right stats it's a great weapon

[keen pawn]

are veterans overtuned?

[frank moat]

It’s not like I ever aimed with my Psyker pre-patch anyway lol

[woven pumice]

flashback to the time I was charging lmb brain burst on something and someone killed it last second and brain burst autolocked onto daemonhost 😭

[olive ember]

Probably the only class that isn’t actually tho they are still strong

[urban dove]

SO your good at the game and your using an optimal build ? how is this op ?

[viral solstice]

Those are

as a note

[royal granite]

works too well, makes other players feel unnecessary

[bright flame]

cries in not having a true capstone

[viral solstice]

the small 5% nodes add kind of like how the individual dr stacks of martyrdom add

but that's the exception

[lethal lagoon]

I knew it 😡 People always be lying to me.

[viral solstice]

but they're the only ones and are not noted to do such

[olive ember]

@viral solstice assail is perfectly balanced and needs no nerfs right?

[viral solstice]

which is weird

[raw token]

because assail keeps everything at bay on its own, when you combine that with the power of the rest of the psykers kit you realise that its way too good to be this spammable

[viral solstice]

assail more like

[olive ember]

RIGHT? 😄

[viral solstice]

ASS AIL because ur ass is dying

its ailing

[narrow crane]

The point is that it works too well! It has amazing range, great damage, great stagger, and the uptime on it is insane WITHOUT empowered psionics. It needs to be reigned in

[feral verge]

thanks for crab wisdom

[olive ember]

See crab thinks assail is weak

Therefore no nerf needed

[keen pawn]

is it possible to roll a tier IV blessing on a blue?

[bright flame]

how long you been holding on to that one

[feral verge]

yes

[urban dove]

BUt we are Crying that Assail needs to get nerfed not the entire kit of the Psyker

[keen pawn]

cuz i'm running out of mats again

[viral solstice]

i just have been saying "sick ass" out loud for 3 days

[raw token]

nope we also acknowledge how broken void and duelling swords just got and are expecting nerfs

[woven pumice]

it's literally just voidstrike, assail, smite bug and shield bug

[lethal lagoon]

Assail completely decimates the playability of lower tiers for lvling players, that's not good for the game's long term health.

So that needs to be fixed asap

[frank moat]

Just take Assail and make it a staff

[olive ember]

Duelling swords shouldn’t get nerfed

[narrow crane]

dueling swords are fine tbh

[olive ember]

If they are nerfed they become useless again

[lethal lagoon]

It's not that OP in t5 aurics, just increase the cooldown.

[raw token]

i dont think specifically the swords, but i would think theyd do something about finesse in general

[olive ember]

Lower capacity increase recharge tada assail is balanced

[plucky flax]

Assail not op only top 1 percent can properly use it

[ornate hamlet]

lower capacity increase recharge tada over-nerfed FTFY

[olive ember]

But with how much people want assail nerfed next patch the damn things gonna be doing like 10 damage a hit

[narrow crane]

Man I can't wait for Assail to get nerfed so we can move the fuck on lmao god damn

[royal granite]

the correct take. maybe a bit less damage to certain armour types so 3 empowered assails doesn't wipe out like 12 specials on their own

[lethal lagoon]

tbf watching a psyker spam assail and just have it flopp agaisnt a bulwark makes me cringe. And it happens way too often.

So it's not completely skilless lmao

[raw token]

yeah if they decrease damage rip

[ornate hamlet]

You must be new here. Unless you mean "move on" to the next thing to complain about for nerfs.

[bright flame]

i mean why not nerf it by making it have aim assist not auto aim?

[olive ember]

Psykers only want two things

[plucky flax]

Vet had bolter and autopistol for months. Let us meme.

[timid brook]

We need ways to increase the power of blitz abilities through a different set of items that way abilities wont feel too strong early game and wont feel too weak late game, because rn they have the same strength on both T3 and T5 but in T5 it doesn't feel good at all because it doesnt scale

[olive ember]

Nerfs and buffs

[woven pumice]

Buff what I like nerf what I don't

[royal granite]

i love assail, that's why i want it nerfed

[timid brook]

Blitz powers should be tied to psyker only equipment, idk why equipment is standardized across all classes

[royal granite]

i feel BAD using it right now

[frank moat]

Increase the base damage but make ammo only recharge when you run out, would keep it from massacring hordes but keeps it as a strong shooter management tool which Psyker usually lacks

[naive imp]

what is our best option for killing monstrosities? void staff?

[ornate hamlet]

Some people just wanna watch the world burn.

[naive imp]

purgatus?

[olive ember]

You see that’s the wrong mindset

[ornate hamlet]

Dueling sword.

[olive ember]

I like watching enemies blow up

Screw my teammates

[timid brook]

Void staff good for everything rn

[unreal tapir]

whats up with zealot killing bosses when they spawn? this guy got like 120k monstrosity damage and everyone else had sub 10k because he 1 hit both that spawned

[olive ember]

That’s right mindset kekw

[bright flame]

nerf everything by changing the fundimentals of how the game works
this is a farming sim now

[naive imp]

it still feels slow

[lethal lagoon]

Purgy and BB for monstrosities, but compared to other classes it's still mid.

[urban dove]

its like the entire power fantasy of the pysker that I shouldny have ammo and be abble to spam what ever i want ? I would rather they removed the Ammo cost of assail entirely and nerf the Peril cost (make it cost more )

[lethal lagoon]

So just void and go brr on everything else

[narrow crane]

was here since day 1, then left the discord after launch cus it was exhausting seeing people defend the game lmao

[olive ember]

Vraks 3 or dueling sword

[timid brook]

It is slow, ur not meant to solo stuff, you get a horde to line up in front of you, pop the void staff you just killed 300 specials in one shot

[olive ember]

Lmao

[raw token]

peril quells too fast to do that i think

[olive ember]

Vraks 3 gun psyker is prob highest dps for bosses

[ornate hamlet]

I bet you complained about Illisi back then huh? 😉

[woven pumice]

thank the emperor for our daily bread amen

[weary bramble]

what is critical bonus on weapons?

[orchid nest]

chainsword is the next best monstrosity dps after vraks but ds is ok

[olive ember]

@viral solstice pls give psyker vraks 3 clip

[royal granite]

illisi wasn't in at launch

[ornate hamlet]

You pass.

[narrow crane]

I wasn't even playing psyker at launch 💀

[lethal lagoon]

I don't remember a lot of illy complains, most people were trying to argue how deimos is actually better.

[royal granite]

easiest block of my fucking life

[olive ember]

I complained about how shit psyker was and how it needed buffs

[lethal lagoon]

No one was talking about nerfs.

[olive ember]

Got Reddit gold from it

[cinder wharf]

It was a nightmare

[urban dove]

Then make it so we have to charge Assails to throw them. they gain more bounces per second charged. but again remove the ammo cost

[plucky flax]

Power sword was better than illi at horde clear anyway.

[ornate hamlet]

MY name is because psyker was fine at launch, purgatus was strong and everyone said I was crazy.

[plucky flax]

3 charges attack op.

[olive ember]

Psyker at launch or pre launch

[royal granite]

power sword was out of control

[half root]

what would be the best ability to go with an assail spam build?

[olive ember]

Pre launch psyker was shittt

[ornate hamlet]

Unless you ran flame build.

[royal granite]

release veteran felt like psyker does now

[cinder wharf]

Psyker on launch was still shit

[olive ember]

Why was passive quelling faster than active quelling

[plucky flax]

Power cycler pre nerf. 7 attacks lul

[cinder wharf]

it was shit until class rework

[lethal lagoon]

I remember launch when if you didn't run surge in a t5 people kicked you.

[royal granite]

i'm just glad it's easier to access power outage now, love that modifier

[olive ember]

Nah psyker was strong when they got illisi

[ornate hamlet]

Huh. Interesting, because I was being told by everyone in this discord that if you didn't run Voidstrike you were garbage.

[urban dove]

HUH ? lmao couldnt be me i was a purge user and i was fine

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1x29RbMRM8ctmA/d133763XulT8?invite=cr-MSxnS00sMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[olive ember]

Basically pushed em to 2nd strongest class

[feral verge]

@viral solstice is disrupt destiny bugged in any way? i've noticed sometimes i get stacks when killing marked targets, and other times i don't.

[olive ember]

Premiere boss damage on psyker

[viral solstice]

its a bit wonky this patch certainly theres display bugs

[cinder wharf]

The only point in Psyker in high dif was Surge staff

[olive ember]

Lmao no

[feral verge]

buff icon display, or enemy mark display? or both?

[cinder wharf]

Now surge staff is useless and smite is bette

[plucky flax]

I prefer the old surge.

[olive ember]

Surge staff was considered the 3rd weakest staff

[long wharf]

the last two games today, dropping a bubble shield has taken all of my warp charges

[olive ember]

[ornate hamlet]

Not useless, still stronk.

[urban dove]

WOAHWWWW Assails op please nerf (how all of you sound)

[half root]

its supposed to

[olive ember]

Yeah that’s what’s supposed to happen

[long wharf]

what? no it's not

[olive ember]

But it also gives all your CD back

[lethal lagoon]

That was the orignal belief though people eventually realized it wasn't true.

[long wharf]

wait... it is?

[olive ember]

It is

[olive ember]

Yeahhh

Warp charges are

[long wharf]

ah god damn it

[olive ember]

Well they are a thing now

[jaunty schooner]

It's the best staff wdym

[long wharf]

that's default behavior now? ffs

[raw token]

we've all seen the clip, as i said i would expect a finesse damage nerf or change

[olive ember]

Yep :/

[frank moat]

Mandatory Quicken makes warp charges a total no-go for me

[ornate hamlet]

Warp charges are not bugged, only the abilities they have interactions with. Warp charges work just fine on venting scream. The programming language of Warp Siphon does not change per ability.

[cinder wharf]

It was true. Psyker brought nothing on release but high cc surge staff

Purg was good for horde clear

the other 2 were mid af

[royal granite]

void was decent

[lethal lagoon]

Nah, Trauma slaughtered, it was just hard to use so it took a while for people to discover it. It also sucked before higher base rating.

[half root]

any opinions on this psyker bois

[frank moat]

I miss the dumb Deflector revives

[lethal lagoon]

^

[royal granite]

same

[cinder wharf]

Main issue with is Psyker is Brain burst took four years to charge

[olive ember]

Shields or shriek

[cinder wharf]

and usually Vet/Zealot would delete that elite

[lethal lagoon]

I'm enjoying the dumb vet revives though. I'm surprised more vets don't run it.

[olive ember]

Wrong reply

[royal granite]

brain burst has always been mid as hell

[raw token]

trauma is still crazy

[cinder wharf]

I only run revive

[royal granite]

it's still not good

[frank moat]

None of the abilities really synergise with Assail in any significant way imo

Pick whatever you like

[cinder wharf]

Shriek for more spam

[olive ember]

Trauma is still strong purge is still kinda strong I think? Voidstrike is overtuned, surge needs buffs

[half root]

ok, i assume if you can get good at management, scryer would work well

[olive ember]

That’s my opinion

[cinder wharf]

Sheild of STG

[unreal tapir]

bubble op

[cinder wharf]

for*

Like they nerfed the fuck out of brain burst

and put Brain Rupture at old brain burst damage

and called it a new ability

[frank moat]

Peril isn’t the bottleneck for total Assail domination though, it’s the ammo regen

[raw token]

the only problem with surge is that DS mkiv does it better

[olive ember]

Eh scrier builds up peril too quickly imo, you end up spending a bunch of your time quelling, good for a transfer peril voidstrike I heard tho

[frank moat]

I just don’t see Shriek being all that necessary

[olive ember]

Only problem with surge is that it needs double damage

[half root]

ya this is what im finding

[olive ember]

3 charges to kill a mauler, 4 for a single crusher

[half root]

assail is fun as fuck but you gotta wait for it

[raw token]

exactly

[cinder wharf]

IMO Shriek is exetremely strong

[stable silo]

fear my deimos

[strange swallow]

Does anyone know what locking on with Assail does? It seems to cost double the peril and be slower, but not do any more damage?

[olive ember]

I love maxing out my peril to kill single crusher like what?

[half root]

im going with EP to try to get free casts

[frank moat]

Personally I just drop the bubble shield for the passive toughness regen

[naive imp]

does seer's presence stack?

[urban dove]

dome shield and the Empowered Psyonics

[ornate hamlet]

MOre accuracy at longer ranges.

[naive imp]

like 4 psykers, 10% from each?

[orchid nest]

I just want deimos charged attack to work like a mini thunder hammer with a multiplier for monstrosities (but not as strong)

[half root]

it locks onto a target

[stable silo]

@strange swallow u can throw it higher range and target

[lethal lagoon]

Nose too pointy. 3/10 sword at best.

[half root]

you can see it with the "brain burst glow"

regular assail casting is just in the direction you point

[urban dove]

Yeah locking on is for mega long range i wanna hit that guy aiming

[strange swallow]

Testing it in the meat grinder, seems to be same range locked on or not

[urban dove]

snipers noramlly

[olive ember]

Assail casting you gotta hover the targets with your reticle

[ornate hamlet]

You know what will fix "Assail" for the classes coming in here pretending to be psykers? Lower the rate of fire for it.

[strange swallow]

It gets there faster when locked on

[frank moat]

You can counter-snipe real easily with aimed Assail

[olive ember]

That ruins the entire aesthetic of throwing knives smh

[urban dove]

see but thats boring

[frank moat]

Though sometimes takes two hits

[olive ember]

Just lower capacity so you can spam 10 of em at once

10 -> 5 and call it a day

[hushed glade]

so is spamming an auto-aim weapon

[olive ember]

It’s not even auto sim

[urban dove]

then dont use it forehead

[hushed glade]

point in general direction, done

[olive ember]

Gotta hover over targets with aim reticle what?

[still hearth]

3 should be enough

[half root]

does crit chance affect assail?

[still hearth]

Yes

[urban dove]

I already said. Removed the ammo on Assail and make it cost more peril

[half root]

ooo neat

[half root]

this

id love this

[olive ember]

Zealot cope because their knives are poopoo

[hushed glade]

you mean point in any direction they are in

[naive imp]

does the cooldown reduction aura stack from psyker?!

[cinder wharf]

No. That would make assail stronger

[still hearth]

Zealot knives are so good I forget I have them

[olive ember]

No it’s quite literally hover over their heads

[still hearth]

[olive ember]

But

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[raw token]

you cant just remove the ammo

[still hearth]

You definitely can

Idk why it has ammo to begin with tbh

[urban dove]

why the fuc not ? Brain burst has no ammo and so does smite

[raw token]

no peril quelling is wayyyyy too fast

[cinder wharf]

Shreik and Battle Meditation are a thing

[half root]

you cant full fire 10 rounds without blowing up

[cinder wharf]

So no.

[raw token]

it would be so much stronger

[still hearth]

Just make it cost 30% per shot

[urban dove]

we are fucking MAGIC SPACE WIZARDS WHY DO WE HAVE AMMO?

[still hearth]

Or 40%

Or 50%

Or make it take time to use

Gotta charge it up like BB and smite

[raw token]

it regens

[orchid nest]

I don't think nerfing the base ability so much (still some) should be considered before talents because while it's still pretty good with 1 point it's the talents that push it over the edge and you reduce choices by making the change too heavy on the base ability and leaving the talents untouched

[half root]

or, give us modifiers to increase reload speed

[olive ember]

Alright Vanessa

[urban dove]

Make it a charge up to fire a burst of Assails ?

[olive ember]

With all due respect

That take is dogshit

[still hearth]

Or cut its damage in half

Or make it single target

[woven pumice]

peril cost won't matter if you just quell from 100 to 99 and cast it again

[still hearth]

Or remove it and add flames

[half root]

wait i mean increase ammmo load

[still hearth]

[olive ember]

Pls stop

Stoppp

[viscid matrix]

Assail damage is fine, it just needss less ammo

[still hearth]

Just make people blow upa bove 50%

[hushed glade]

naw

[woven pumice]

💀

no thanks

[urban dove]

i dont agree with her often but this one shes got a point

[viscid matrix]

when you quell, you insta drop 15% peril, so Edging to 100 constantly is an advantage to you with all the buffs you get with high peril

[still hearth]

How come we have lightning fingers but not burning hands

[urban dove]

Give us Soul Flame Haduken

[raw token]

yeah no ammo is just really bad without completely changing the ability

[still hearth]

I mean you could just make them have to be charged up to do damage so if you spam them they suck

[vocal sundial]

a

[still hearth]

But people wouldn't like that

b

[viscid matrix]

they should just reduce the ammo generation of assail by at least half

[hushed glade]

reduce the auto aim so people actually have to control them

[half root]

tv guided missiles

[olive ember]

That ruins the entire point of the knives

[half root]

i dig it

[olive ember]

Might as well take BB then smh

[cinder wharf]

Reduce Assail charges to 7 and increase recharge time by 33%

fixed

[still hearth]

No matter what they do to reduce your ability to spam with them they'll be considered garbage and bad

[urban dove]

see but the issue with this is. it ruins the point of the Blitzs over all . IF i have to wait to use my blitz its gonna piss me off why not just use smite or BB at that point

IF we reduce the ammo theyres gonna be a down time between them

[hushed glade]

good

[raw token]

thats the point......

[viscid matrix]

every other class has 1-4 grenades and thats it, they need to get more from drops

[royal granite]

you know every other class gets a limited amount of blitzes and they are also weaker than most of ours

[faint sigil]

thats the point, then you have a reason to like, use melee or ranged

[olive ember]

Just reduce capacity and recharge so you can spam em if you want/when you need to

[urban dove]

BUT WE ARE SPACE WIZARDS

THATS NOT THE POINT OF US

[olive ember]

But you can’t just spam em constantly throughout the match

[still hearth]

But then you literally can't spam them when you want/need to.

[faint sigil]

the point of psyker is to feed the emperor

[urban dove]

this ^

[raw token]

why is this your only argument

[half root]

they need to get rid of ranged and melee and just give us a full suite of powers

[bright flame]

it is a good argument tho

[half root]

no melee weapons or ranged weapons

[raw token]

no it isnt

[olive ember]

I mean that depends on how much they nerf each aspect

[bright flame]

one of the only arguments in fact

[urban dove]

because it sounds like we have alot of people in here that shouldnt be talking about psykers

[fossil lagoon]

they should just get rid of the other classes -- psyker does everything

[urban dove]

they should go back to being a vet or a zeal

[still hearth]

By definition spam to me is "whenever". Even 5 shards would be fine for most situations, even more so with EP tbf.

[fossil lagoon]

anything that's not 4/4 psykers is suboptimal atm

[raw token]

we're talking about balance and what would make a game more fun, ive never even played another class btw

[hushed glade]

gatekeeping because they want to keep autoaim win button

[lethal lagoon]

Just by rules of averages, 3 out of 4 of those psykers are the type to accidently dump their assail into carpace. So 4 psykers is usually ass.

[still hearth]

I think my biggest issue is honestly how much shit Assail kills. Like just keep the number and reduce the damage so you have to spam more to get hte same damage

[urban dove]

I dont need Auto aim i never disagreed with you in fact if they were Aimable ? i would be even stronger with them

[still hearth]

Then people will have the same enjoyment of throwing a billion shards but won't just delete an infinite amount of ragers

[urban dove]

But how would the chain work if they were aimed

[viscid matrix]

nah Ogryns are good too https://streamable.com/8m5o4g

[hushed glade]

like any weapon with ammo

[fossil lagoon]

LOL shooting&reloading so fast it breaks the animation

nice

[urban dove]

No the Chaining . like if they were aimed then sure i would aim them. then After it hits one head would it auto bounce to the next ?

[royal granite]

zealot is pretty good right now too if you can aim knives

[viscid matrix]

they have a chance to get free shot, so they can get lucky and not spend any ammo

[orchid nest]

knowing fatshark and with how much in agreeance the community is about the nerfs you guys aren't going to have to worry about the specifics of how it should work anyways because it will be a while before it's useable again after FS mangles it

[fossil lagoon]

most ogryns i see atm are baited into taking the terrible tanking talents

[frank moat]

Ogryns are required for moral support

[olive ember]

I mean I’m fine with it’s damage it’s just that people can spam it non stop. Like keep the damage lower capacity and recharge so if they rly want they can blow all their shards but then they gotta wait for that shit to recharge

[still hearth]

I would rather have it the other way around but

The fun part is spamming it, not that they do decent damage, to me.

[viscid matrix]

FS takes forever to fix stuff anyway, so its gonna be months before Void, assail, shield and smite get fixed

[urban dove]

I agree even if they halved the dammage but gave us 20 of them and made the cost from 10 % to 5 %

it would still be better

[olive ember]

I mean it’s 300 damage on a headshot so by definition you need to spam it to do damage

[orchid nest]

probably true and I just want the smite single target thing to work 😢

[viscid matrix]

the problem with assail is too much ammo, we should not be able to use them in place of a weapon

[still hearth]

I mean you could use BB in place of a weapon

If it also hit 3 people

[raw token]

spamming them is just not good thats all, makes the player using it an assail bot

[urban dove]

But we can do BB and Smite ?

[still hearth]

Every 2 seconds

[urban dove]

Thats the point of Psyker bros ?

[viscid matrix]

they dont do as much damage as quickly

BR is great for single target damage and its balanced as it is
Smite is broken right now with the unlimited chnanel

[olive ember]

Eh BB is limited by charge time and large peril gen I want something that feels different but still effective

[raw token]

BB is laughable to use as a main weapon, youd die instantly to more than like 2 enemies, and good luck tryna stun your way through the whole game barely killing anything

[urban dove]

Get out of this chat LMAO go back to vets or Zealots if you want to use real weapons i wanna be a fucking space wizzard lmao. I want to spam my spells and manage my "Mana"

[royal granite]

smite and bb aren't good enough to run as your main weapon

[olive ember]

I think knives rn are a good example just make it so you can spam 10 of em at once (that’s 30 poxwalkers)

[urban dove]

fuck outta here

[paper fern]

The time between assail charges should really be increased, and the peril cost of targeted shots should be decreased

[olive ember]

And make it so it takes longer than like 5 seconds to regen said knives

[paper fern]

I am right, everyone else Is wrong

[viscid matrix]

preil cost is fine, its only 10 per

[naive imp]

nothing about it's peril generation needs nerfed

[urban dove]

THIS IS BB AND SMITES PROBLEM NOT ASSAILS

lol

[vocal sundial]

what if we gave assail bleed

[paper fern]

It's 25 if it's aimed

[vocal sundial]

i think that would improve the game balance

[naive imp]

yea it definitely needs it. rofl

[urban dove]

WAIT LOL @still hearth

[naive imp]

you aim assail? rofl

[urban dove]

AHHHHHHHHhahahahahah

why is there two of them

LMAO

[paper fern]

If something is far, I'd prefer it be guaranteed to hit

[royal granite]

you have a staff for casting spells as your main thing, assail is a blitz, it's meant to be a sometimes food not an always food

[viscid matrix]

you are deluded, Assail has far too much ammo for the amount of damage it can do
it does anywhere from 450-900 damage per shard and you can use it constantly

[urban dove]

Tell that to BB and Smite

[vocal sundial]

psyker needs a rending talent

[urban dove]

I said nerf the dammage buff the AMmount

[royal granite]

try to BB everything and tell me how that goes

[paper fern]

You can barely spam assail fast enough to keep up with it's Regen unless you want to die

[urban dove]

Id rather spam more

[royal granite]

whatever this discussion is stupid i'm not going to have it

[urban dove]

i have and i can

[olive ember]

Wrong your main weapon was and still is the illisi

SMH

[frank moat]

We do, it’s called Hand-Cannon revolver blessing

[olive ember]

Staff is utility

[raw token]

no you cant

[olive ember]

Blitz is utility for your utility

[royal granite]

i have never taken illisi into a mission

[urban dove]

how you gonna tell me what i can and cant do ?

lol

[olive ember]

Illisi is the only weapon you need

[viscid matrix]

nah, damage is fine, it just needs less ammo generation
if you had to wait 20 seconds per charge you wouldnt be able to spam it constantly

[olive ember]

SMH

[keen pawn]

same

[raw token]

you literally cannot have an average team and only use brainburst the whole time and do well

[urban dove]

I would rather spam 20 assails that did half as much dammage then wait for them to come back

[keen pawn]

man are you guys still arguing about Assail

[viscid matrix]

illisi is great until you get a perfect MK4 dueling sword

[keen pawn]

yes

[urban dove]

There are so many ways to make BB clear house and have no issues

[viscid matrix]

sorry but he keeps laying the trap, and i keep taking the bait

[naive imp]

does purgatus kill monstrosities faster than void?

[hushed glade]

Because it's a broken crutch for bad aimmers

[still hearth]

No

Purgatus is just consistent damage

But its not a lot

[viscid matrix]

Brain Rupture is balanced, assail is not

[olive ember]

Bro I’m ngl you are in psyker chat

None of us can aim

[urban dove]

this dude acting like this game is cod or some shit

[raw token]

really so you could clear multiple t5 size trash horde with BB alone

[urban dove]

As if Purge staff needs aim

lol

[hushed glade]

Gatekeeper

[viscid matrix]

if you aim it well you can guarentee 6 hits per shard

[woven pumice]

my bb headshot accuracy is 100%

[urban dove]

as if any of the staves need aim

[olive ember]

Pretty sure it’s 3 but

[raw token]

nah for some reason its 6, maybe on crits?

[urban dove]

You dont know what that word means calm down second grader

[hushed glade]

Tell me then

[keen pawn]

assail is fucking hot garbage when compared to the voidstrike staff, end of discussion.

[olive ember]

Ah gotta see then

[viscid matrix]

if you get it just right, it will hit more than that 😄 just requires a large amount of enemies and the shard not to go up after hitting a target

[naive imp]

is purgatus better for monstrosity?

[urban dove]

HOT TAKE

LOL

[olive ember]

🤔

[viscid matrix]

nah Assail and Void are equals right now

[naive imp]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[viscid matrix]

just block him, he is a troll

[urban dove]

lol

[fossil lagoon]

nothing wrong w/ this

[urban dove]

is he refering to me ?

ouch

[hushed glade]

Yeah, I wanna see the gymnastics they pull

[unreal tapir]

dont worry, everyone will be back to playing bb wandering around with a staff for 90% of the game after they delete assail and half the psykers quit because bb is boring

[naive imp]

does purgatus count as soulblaze and spread with wildfire?...

[raw token]

yo i cant open the game right now what stats does stopping power affect on guns?

[urban dove]

what does this even mean

[viscid matrix]

you can jsut click show messages whenever they say stuff if you care 😄

[keen pawn]

this

hey I got a better topic of discussion

[hushed glade]

you tell me

[keen pawn]

instead of talking about assail, voidstrike or butt burst, why not discuss how you can improve the shit fest that is bio lightning

[urban dove]

moving on

[raw token]

oh god was hoping it wouldnt be that important

[viscid matrix]

that shit is broken op 😄
it can lock down a room indefinatly with empower

[naive imp]

assail is ruining the 1-30 experience. basically the first half of the game. rofl

[frank moat]

I vote to give Smite extra particle effects

[viscid matrix]

it already causes frame drops when you use it on hordes 😄

[frank moat]

Yes but it’s funny

[urban dove]

thats the meme

you found the joke !

[viscid matrix]

tbh the best dump stat for guns is mobility

[lethal lagoon]

And then when it finally get's nerfed you are going to have a psyker heavy playerbase that has literally no idea how to play the class.

[raw token]

yeah i know, just got one with 60% stopping power instead and was trying to cope

[naive imp]

yerp

[viscid matrix]

x to doubt, they will all move on to other weapons and blitz when they get bored

a lot of us are playing smite and assail because we have had only brain rupture for the last year

[keen pawn]

we should just convince fat shark to let us take health damage when venting again, nerf the damage of all staffs, remove assail from the game, and lock us up in a box and forget us.

[urban dove]

Give soulflame fireballs

[lethal lagoon]

If you don't think a brand new lvl 7 player being able to solo malice is a problem, I dunno what to tell ya lmao.

[naive imp]

this is exactly what i'm talking about

it's nuts

[urban dove]

Balancing for the lowerhalf is bullshit tho ?

[viscid matrix]

at this point, ammo isnt a issue with assail, it might as well not be there

[unreal tapir]

whats your definition of brand new level 7 player? because i promise you a couch dad still cant do that even with assail

[viscid matrix]

😄

[olive ember]

They move on to the next most op class*

[urban dove]

!

[naive imp]

i'm doing max damage kills everything (which i understand is not ALWAYS important) since switching to assail. even on heresy...

[unreal tapir]

as strong as assail is xd

[viscid matrix]

so Ogryn

[keen pawn]

you make it sound like assail can just one shot carapace units and bosses.

[olive ember]

[teal needle]

Can't wait for the psyker nerf so there's fewer dinguses in this chat and we can go back to being weird unwanted nerds

[urban dove]

^^^

[royal granite]

the problem with assail is that it wipes out a horde and every elite and special in the horde save for crushers

[teal needle]

You're a dingus, though

[olive ember]

We’ll just go back to asking for buffs

[urban dove]

ouch

[viscid matrix]

can take out crushers too, just takes 10-15 shards to do it

[olive ember]

Again psykers only want two things

Nerfs and buffs

[frank moat]

Just increase horde sizes to compensate

[teal needle]

They need to buff loner to be more German and more shrill

[urban dove]

0.0

[royal granite]

the opportunity cost of doing that is so great that it might as well not be an option

[royal falcon]

hordes should have 10,000 poxwalkers minimum

[lethal lagoon]

Assail is literally made for couch dads and their bad eyesight

[mild linden]

Guess everyone is using Assail?

So damn busted lol

[viscid matrix]

eh let the others deal with the crushers, they have nothing else to kill anyway 😄

[unreal tapir]

doesnt mean they can use it and win lol

[teal needle]

I still run trauma bb a lot of auric maels honestly

[feral verge]

@ember hornet i am playing with a saltzpyre

[urban dove]

lord have mercy. Ill be back in this chat when we aint arguing over Assail

[royal granite]

i'm just leveling my neglected zealot for now, i'll put more time into psyker when assail feels more reasonable

[lethal lagoon]

I mean someone in the vet chat was literally arguing with me that they can't kill sniper with assails. I'm sure he still does well despite his couch dad eyesight.

[viscid matrix]

a lot of the older players are using assail and smite only, cause we were limited to only brain burst for so long 😄

[mild linden]

Brain burst did get old ngl

[royal granite]

yeah i aint touching brain burst again for a hot minute

[weary bramble]

what does this mean? I got it on a void staff if that means anything

[viscid matrix]

double tap and 1shot crushers

[narrow crane]

every time you crit you fire two shots

[viscid matrix]

its BIS blessing

[urban dove]

Godroll

[teal needle]

It means you have a busted ass op voidstrike staff 😄

[weary bramble]

holy

shit

[narrow crane]

enjoy it now before it gets reworked (deleted)

[weary bramble]

thats insane

[narrow crane]

yup

[royal falcon]

if you crit with the two surge shots do you fire more surge shots

[viscid matrix]

we have a few months, FS are slow to nerf or buff stuff

[royal falcon]

can the staff just turn full auto if you have a crit build lol

[lethal lagoon]

Surge 😢 , just like my father, I can never seem to find it.

[unreal tapir]

bb is just a boring mechanic, sure i could grab something then hide behind cover and pop it. or i could just snipe it with a voidstaff in half the time because i dont have couch dad aim. or i could slowly pop elite groups one by one instead of just nuking the pack with voidstaff

[narrow crane]

idk I feel like this week we're getting a hotfix

[viscid matrix]

it hits twice, so if you crit headshot you will do 3k damage minimum

[royal granite]

what the fuck is a couch dad

[formal hill]

Idk people shit on dads a lot

[woven pumice]

if you get a crit it just doubles the hit afaik

[lethal lagoon]

It's when you have schizophrenia and think the couch is your dad.

[teal needle]

No. It is more that it deals damage twice when you crit. So one shots crushers and chunks bosses but doesnt really shoot faster

[olive ember]

Dats a take

[viscid matrix]

x to doubt, it took them months to nerf powersword and buff powerhammer

[royal falcon]

I guess people who play games to have fun and wind down after a long day instead of being greasers

[royal granite]

that's not what schizophrenia does to you

[royal falcon]

wack but damn that must hit like a truck

[narrow crane]

lol tru

[unreal tapir]

dads who work and have a family so they dont have much time to play. and generally game casually on their couch a few hours a week, and as a result are really bad at most games. not their fault they just have different priorities

[mild linden]

I've had more fun with Psyker now tbh

[lethal lagoon]

I'm aware, it unfortunately runs in my family.

[royal granite]

ah bummer

[mild linden]

The class felt weaker before this update in my opinion

[urban dove]

More like just older and slightly less able and accurate men

Reaction speed and so forth

[teal needle]

To be fair, assail is a pretty crappy tool for dealing with snipers unless they are in a really convenient position. There's a range cap and it takes forever to travel. It's one of the three things assail is not too good at

[viscid matrix]

we were the weakest of the 4, but had our place as a ccbot with surge

[lethal lagoon]

Just be me and always have a bad reaction speed. It's like I never got older.

[urban dove]

Aim ? It ? Like the aim down sights version

[narrow crane]

I think it's about as accurate if not slightly more than burst tbh

[mild linden]

Assail takes no skill

[lethal lagoon]

Am I the only one who thinks killing snipers through hordes is easier with assail than bb? I'm so confused at people's thoughts on it.

[mild linden]

I can just throw blindly and it will hit someone

[royal granite]

the fact that it takes no skill isn't really the problem

[woven pumice]

bb not requiring los is just a godsend, popping snipers with no risk of getting hit or popping trappers while they run behind a wall

[royal granite]

flamer doesn't take skill either, keep in mind

[viscid matrix]

it is, but BR lets you start and duck into cover to finish the channel

[woven pumice]

it's definitely nice to have in some situations

just wish the rmb jank went away

[urban dove]

Purge staff doesn't either ?

[viscid matrix]

yall keep calling it BB, but its BR now 😄

[royal granite]

it's BB forever

that shit's embedded in the psyker DNA

[urban dove]

Why are we talking about skill in a pve game ? With no like competitive ranks

[lethal lagoon]

BR is battle rifle, you can't change my mind.

[narrow crane]

you are correct, and even if assail misses, it still ends up killing whatever is around the sniper so it's easier to hit them

[graceful grotto]

I need to play more games with it, but to me Assail just felt messy and unimpressive, I mostly play DFS/Trauma/BB though

[urban dove]

I'd understand if Darktide had a Dark n Darker mode ? Like two teams run in and try and kill each other while doing objectives

[royal granite]

i have an easier time killing snipers with bb than assail

[bright flame]

can smite crit?

[urban dove]

But skill doesn't matter in this

[woven pumice]

skill in horde shooters is definitely a factor

[royal granite]

that might just be practice though

[burnt knot]

This is my silly voidstrike staff.

[primal blade]

i am mcloving the psyker changes

[mild linden]

surge force staff is definitely better now though

[narrow crane]

the groaners, poxwalkers is making me laugh but yeah its good

[mild linden]

Killed so many by just shocking the hell out of specials

[viscid matrix]

yes, but its damage is tiny so it doesnt really matter if it crits

[burnt knot]

Sometimes you win rolls, sometimes you get screwed.

[woven pumice]

smite can't crit

[narrow crane]

real

[primal blade]

my talent tree

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/586472726525640704.webp?size=48&name=bettywink&quality=lossless