psyker-class

[woven pumice]

A dodge alone won't cut it

Might take more than 1 mission to appreciate smite

[outer magnet]

i had thought this was patched and forgot about it, what makes the infinite bubbles work?

[elfin grail]

this game really needs a mission in the top of the spyre

[fickle onyx]

Does surge staff automatically hit weakspot? And also what perks should I put on it?

[idle bay]

There'll probably be one in a futuare.. i hope

[woven pumice]

Surge staff can't hit weakspot at all afaik

It automatically targets centre of mass

[fickle onyx]

Than what should I replace it with

[woven pumice]

Replace the staff?

Use it if you want to

[fickle onyx]

Nono the perk

I got a weakspot perk

I need to replace both perks but idk what with

[north pike]

What are the blessings for voidstrike?

[potent echo]

surge / nexus

[vestal fulcrum]

Or Flurry/Transfer

[glass plume]

Surge/nexus if you're crit build, Flurry/transfer for general use

[fickle onyx]

Surge staff secondary dmg count as ranged dmg right?

[dull skiff]

prob cause fs made the cdr time for bubble lower than 40s? I have 4% on all curios 7.5% cdr for a singular warp stack. So a total of 34.5% grants instant ult on bubbles

[outer magnet]

thanks homeslice

[hollow plinth]

hi people

[hidden leaf]

yo

[hollow plinth]

is the infinite smite a bug?

[outer magnet]

ye

[hollow plinth]

oh dang

been abusing it by just sliding across the whole level with it charged then

[outer magnet]

i havent been playing for long so i have no idea how long it'll take to be patched but in the meantime yea it's easymode button

[languid osprey]

the cops are on their way

[hollow plinth]

imagine if it stunlocked bosses 👀

[cold oasis]

Can smite even crit?

[thick beacon]

They're having difficulty navigating through the smoke clouds at 5FPS though, so it'll take them a while

[digital narwhal]

No

[cold geode]

Smite is king shit. Simple as.

[zealous sierra]

New perk for void strike?

[bleak tulip]

?

[lusty garden]

hello could anyone help me out with the private server penance?

[still hearth]

Its Warp Charges

Any amount of warp charges changes shield CD to 0

[tranquil isle]

hi, new to this class and channel. I need some help deciding which staff to use on my pskyer surge build. which one is best? And is there anything else I can do to improve the perks and blessings?

[still hearth]

It only doesn't work if you have double walls

[dull skiff]

ty i knew it was due to having a singular warp charge. Do you know whats causing it?

[still hearth]

No clue

It doesn't do that on anything other than shield so I presume its something specific with shield coding

[hollow plinth]

the warp charges give 0 cd shields?

[still hearth]

Yeah

[hollow plinth]

the non dome ones?

huh

[dull skiff]

maybe they misplaced a decimal point or something. Im not surprised with fs releasing broken builds since gk and sot release on vt2

[hollow plinth]

:0

[still hearth]

Everything as long as you don't have dual shields

That node somehow breaks the CDR

I think it actually gives you no CDR at all instead

[hollow plinth]

ooh

[still hearth]

Probably something to do with how stack CDR works

[warped perch]

Hey I have a question about bleed knife

[lusty garden]

sorry to repeat myself but could anyone help me out with the private server penance?

[still hearth]

Reported.

[warped perch]

Isn’t there an lfg channel

[warped perch]

Wtf

[lusty garden]

whats that again?

[dapper apex]

is soulfire good? want to try it out

[still hearth]

Purgatus or Trauma works pretty well with it

Or just assail with the soulblaze on kill

[lusty garden]

nvm thx

[hollow plinth]

omg it works

jesus christ

[steep spade]

where to go from here?

[whole oxide]

Precog to Uncanny, Groaner to Maniac

[steep spade]

great! thank you

[golden frigate]

how do I bleed knife this @still hearth

[steep spade]

my final question, what can I do with this?

[hollow plinth]

any suggestions for what to bring if i'm using brainburst?

[whole oxide]

probably leave the blessings as they are and change both perks

[whole oxide]

BB only works well with Enhanced Psionics atm#

[blissful ore]

Surge or void staff
Those have the most benefit from warp charges/venting on ability

[steep spade]

what perks would be most useful?

[whole oxide]

probably flak/maniac or flak/unarmoured

[hollow plinth]

so if i'm using BB i should only use enhance psionic keystone?

[whole oxide]

yes

[blissful ore]

No take the left keystone

[steep spade]

then that's what I'll do, thank you again

[hollow plinth]

should i still go for soulblaze stuff if i'm using surge/void staff?

[whole oxide]

you lose your damage boost when you ult, which neuters your kinetic barrage

[sterile saddle]

do critical hit 'dodge' from the perk tree proc finesse?

[blissful ore]

Which is why you don't ult

[whole oxide]

which means you're not getting any kinetic barrage

or w/e its called now

[blissful ore]

?

[whole oxide]

the trait that cuts the cast-time on ult

Kinetic Resonance

the other one

[hollow plinth]

oops brain deid

thanks for the suggestions people

[blissful ore]

Brain burst is pretty weak so you likely will only use it to kill things outside your staff range

[whole oxide]

I guess its a playstyle thing, if you're only going to BB a few times per mission, and mostly camp in staff, then Warp Syphon will be better, but if you're using it alot then Kinetic Resonance + EP is definitely better

[hollow plinth]

what about the disrupt destiny keystone

seems urh

wonky

[whole oxide]

only use it if you hate yourself

[hollow plinth]

[fresh reef]

Disrupt Destiny is the best rp node at least

[thin finch]

Just play malice

[fresh reef]

Big E just says "kill this guy right the fuck now"

[idle bay]

Play it yourself peasant

[whole oxide]

I mean, "buff everything" is equivalent to "play lower difficult"

[idle bay]

Buff everything - enemies too 🙂

[whole oxide]

then nothing changes

might as well do nothing

[golden frigate]

go the MMO route and scale damage till it reaches millions

and then scale it back

[idle bay]

And add more crazy modes - in addition to current malstorm modes that mission can get

[fluid knot]

They were.

This is the problem

The more you buff players, the more you have to re-scale all the enemies

Instead of just reducing player power, which has the same effect, for much less hassle

[whole oxide]

its just crazy to me that people don't understand that buffing yourself 10% while buffing enemies 20% is exactly the same functionally as nerfing yourself 10%

"but nerfs feel bad"

[still hearth]

Psychology

[golden frigate]

chinese playerbase

[still hearth]

How does it work

[fluid knot]

I dont think people actually want balance, they want a power fantasy

In which case, like.. Doom is a thing?

[still hearth]

You say chinese playerbase when WoW literally did the same thing

[still hearth]

Dude if Darktide was Doom but with my friends

[golden frigate]

WoW is barely a game

[still hearth]

Why can't we 4-man squad murder demons from hell

Also Doom isn't necessarily a power fantasy. It can be hard as hell

[fluid knot]

I thought Doom had multiplayer now?

[still hearth]

I think its only PvP

[golden frigate]

wait it does?

[fluid knot]

I beleive there is some arena survival mod you can coop in

Could be wrong, its something to that effect

[still hearth]

Tbf

If you want a power fantasy in Darktide

Just place Malice

[fluid knot]

Literally

[golden frigate]

huge if true

[golden frigate]

or use assail

[still hearth]

Yeah but then the 15 crushers puts you down real quick

[golden frigate]

assail + void it is then

[still hearth]

Imagine having to swap weapons

Ew.

[fluid knot]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/doom-eternal/mod-horde-mode ah no im mistaken, its solo, but still a horde mode

[golden frigate]

you got my hopes up, now you will have to deliver

[still hearth]

Yeah make a coop mod

Right now

[golden frigate]

I'll wait for that mod, now DO IT

[fluid knot]

Yeah, see you never

[golden frigate]

[fluid knot]

I dont have the patience to make mods, i wish i did, but too much computer stuff hurts my brain

[queen fog]

from what i remember of the game there was a little battleground u could test weapons in on the hub area

so i guess the modded version adds diff map? seems cool

[primal plume]

I really hope they fix the infinite smite bug soon. Theres so many shitty Psykers that use it but have no idea how to play the game

[queen fog]

ngl i was one a few days ago

saw my empowered psonic stack gp up and boom im a electric socket with a fork in it

[idle bay]

Classic Brainburst feels like it lacking "oomph!" compared to other options. Build in suppression radius, or more boss damage, or simply build in soulfire spread regardless of elite target or not.

[queen fog]

is a lil faster now with some good modifier but i feel ya

the other blitzes feel like they got alot more oomph

[sterile saddle]

or.. You brainburst all targets that are soulfired when you use a brainburst on an elite. or have it do flat 100 dmg or something (like crystals)

[still hearth]

BB should have a stacking damage bonus on using it on the same target

Infinitely

Get +10% damage each hit

[sterile saddle]

that way spreading fire does DoT and if u can get a nelite you can dump enemies

[queen fog]

huh that would make the penace to do 90% of a monstrosities hp with BB mad possible to speedrun

[still hearth]

That's not a thing anymore.

And please no

No more BB specific targets

[idle bay]

It should be just 1 target to keep the theme of power, just some collateral stuff happening around it would be cool.

[whole oxide]

tbh, BB is fine, it just looks bad by comparison atm because Smite and Assail are both broken

[sterile saddle]

well then reverse its functionality or something, make BB a peril dump and scale with dmg

build charge on your other weapons and dump with BB for a big hit

idk.. just make it less shite

[still hearth]

Just make all blitz have charges

And BB is just instant headsnap

[primal plume]

Smite feels balanced when youre not abusing the bug

[still hearth]

[sterile saddle]

that'd be nice too

[primal plume]

What i do wish was that quickening wasnt baked into warp stacks

[sterile saddle]

smite needs more actual dmg

[still hearth]

Then people wouldn't take it so that's silly

Smite with Warp Charges is basically Empowered Smite but better

[idle bay]

That's and it's almost the same BB we had since early early access.

[still hearth]

Because you don't get locked into using the silly unlimited Smite

[whole oxide]

not really, with Kinetic Resonance and EP it's much stronger than before

[still hearth]

Keep in mind that enemies also got more HP

So it's not necessarily that much stronger

[whole oxide]

it hits breakpoints on dogs and flamers much easier now

[still hearth]

Hmmm. I definitely need to try BB some more again tbh

[idle bay]

Exactly that - just stronger - but withoiout something extra going on. And wil losst debuffing target for extra damage after BB

[still hearth]

I just wish they made the RMB use

The same as LMB

Instead of making it a longer charge

[still hearth]

That was really only good for two things though

Bosses and two-shotting crushers iirc.

Maybe two-shotting muties? I don't remember

[sterile saddle]

yes

you used to be able to

now it takes 3 w/o empower

[woven pumice]

brain burst rmb seems to just fizzle out sometimes

[sterile saddle]

RMB costs more and is less efficient on targeting

[still hearth]

RMB should let you target several enemies

Just keep charging to do 10 headpops

[woven pumice]

with psionics there's no cost to holding rmb but you can use it preemptively for mutants

[still hearth]

BB needs to one-shot mutants

[woven pumice]

just when I actually lmb to pop it, it sometimes doesn't even do anything

[still hearth]

In fact BB should one-shot anything but bosses

[sterile saddle]

srsly

with how slow it is?

needs more efficiency

[still hearth]

I mean it's only like 0.2s slower than Voidstrike base

[woven pumice]

I usually don't use it by itself anyway

[idle bay]

That would be great.. though with peril going to 100% instantly with some lockout time

[still hearth]

You just blow up without Shriek lets go

I mean it would make EMpowered really good

[woven pumice]

staggering reaper or bulwark with trauma and then brain bursting while they recover is nice

[still hearth]

Since you can have no peril

But yeah RMB BB being like an AoE pop around the target instead of a single target

Would be pretty cool

[woven pumice]

it makes up for the lack of oneshot

[sterile saddle]

or make it a hard CC

BB something and it staggers for like 10 seconds

[still hearth]

But do I really want to give up 24% damage and 36% peril cost reduction just to do faster BBs?

Idk

[sterile saddle]

so even if it doesn't kil la mutie it'll cause it to stop

[golden frigate]

multiple targeting for BB, then you go over 100% peril because of a bug and as long as you don't drop below it you can just ignore it as a mechanic

can see it happening literally tomorrow

hell, today even

[whole oxide]

depends if you're aggressively using your Ult, because you're gonna lose that regardless if you're Ult'ing

[still hearth]

Thursday is when they release patches usually tho

[still hearth]

Yeah but assail exists

So I can just ult and get 6 stacks with my eyes closed

[golden frigate]

for now at least

[still hearth]

Though I actually run mostly not using my ult with that build

I just have shriek in case

Idk what its in case of

[primal plume]

Why couldnt we get this version

[still hearth]

I'm going to forcefully play Scrier's Gaze with some non-warp build

[primal plume]

To begin the ritual, the psyker must spend at least thirty minutes using assorted psychic foci to concentrate his vision

[still hearth]

Witness me

[primal plume]

imagine if this was in th game

[still hearth]

I legit made that joke for Disrupt Destiny: make it infinite stacking but each stack is like 0.01% buff

Then the Psyker will sit in spawn and beg you not to go

[fossil lagoon]

Theyre gonna nerf the bubble shield arent they 😢

[still hearth]

[still hearth]

Probably not. Aside from the bug its not that strong

[near bluff]

because they didn't mean scriers when they added it, it works a lot more like uhhh perfect timing/prescience

[valid imp]

I hope assail doesn't get hit too hard with nerfs, it's cathartic as hell to fling them into an oncoming tidal wave of hounds in hunting grounds and watch them all skid to a stop

[whole oxide]

tbh, even without the bug, it's still by far the strongest ult

[woven pumice]

just make dd prioritize the closest enemy or be able to mark more than one enemy

[still hearth]

Well that's because the other ults are shit tho

Has anyone ever used shriek dealing direct damage

[whole oxide]

Scrier's is fun but ultimately unimpactful, Shriek is safe but is usually just compensating for peril-management, but Dome hard-carries

[still hearth]

Like what does 200 damage even mean outside of Malice or below

Even with maxed out damage stuff that's still only like 260 damage at best

I guess you set up hordes to be killed but

Soulblaze does that and also kills it???

[fossil lagoon]

Soulblaze .... kill ...? Lol ....

[whole oxide]

is it like Assail, where it says 200 on the tooltip, but its actually way more?

[still hearth]

I don't understand what you're trying to say

[still hearth]

That's possible. But Assail is mostly because it can hit weakspots which is like 4x damage or something

[woven pumice]

soulblaze kills it just needs high stacks to actually do anything

[still hearth]

6 stacks is enough to kill almost all non-elites and non-specialists

I think with increased HP now it doesn't kill bruisers anymore

[fossil lagoon]

Only 6 stacks to kill poxwalkers ? Wtf !

[lavish comet]

I call this Jackpot^^

[fossil lagoon]

What a worthwhile talent sink

[still hearth]

Nice (but blast radius is dump stat)

[still hearth]

To kill a near infinite amount of horde enemies and shooters in a massive cone?

Yes

I'd say that's a pretty good talent

[whole oxide]

what you're not considering is how it plays with the other soulblaze traits, once they all start combining, even elites are melting

[still hearth]

Ehh

[woven pumice]

is 6 stack soulblaze damage literally 1+2+3+4+5+6 before damage reduction

[still hearth]

Not at all

There was a chart about how it scales

[whole oxide]

6 stacks is something like 100 damage per second

[still hearth]

I think the first 10 stacks are exponential

[whole oxide]

i dont' remember exactly

[stone prawn]

which one should I keep

[woven pumice]

from pyskanium it definitely wasn't exponential

[whole oxide]

it definitely is

[woven pumice]

and fell off massively vs armour

[still hearth]

The second one looks best to me.

[lavish comet]

2nd or third

[whole oxide]

6 stacks is worth far far more than just 6 x 1 stack

[still hearth]

But I'd swap Flurry to Nexus

[golden frigate]

542, replace flurry with nexus

[woven pumice]

Pretty sure it's +1 per stack from a base damage of 2 at 1 stack

[still hearth]

This was the old calculation

[whole oxide]

no, that's just wrong

[lavish comet]

as @golden frigate told, 2nd with flurry to nexus, and that thing will be a lawnmower...

[woven pumice]

so 1 stack is 2 damage
2 stack is 5 damage
6 stack is 27 damage

but it's reduced by different amounts depending on enemy

[glass plume]

2nd with flurry to nexus is pretty ideal for a crit build - make sure you take crit perks in your build if you do

[stone prawn]

ty time to roll tier4 nexus

[still hearth]

It's possible they did something to soublaze I haven't checked it

But it did use to burn poxwalkers at 6 stacks

And I think poxwalkers got a HP buff too

So

But it should still one-shot the shooters which are pretty annoying

[fossil lagoon]

Dots will simply never compete with direct damage -- why bother investing 4, 5? Talent points into soulblaze when scabs and poxers will just die to 1 hit from a staff attack anyway

[whole oxide]

because most of the DOT attacks can be applied in a wider AoE than direct damage can

what's better, doing 200 damage to 1 enemy, or doing 100 damage to 50 enemies?

[weak smelt]

So question guys. I'm lvl 17 currently and am running a force sword, surge staff and assault as my blitz. So far I'm doing great but I really want to break into some of the higher tiers of difficulty. I haven't tried them, and I've been trying to find data on the new way weapons work and such since 1.3 was apparently a big change. Is surge still good to run, or should I change to void?

[fossil lagoon]

At least with ogryn bleed u can passivly apply it with heavies at all times

[golden frigate]

because then they will outclass single target damage; consider time to kill as a factor, and 50 enemies in front of you

[digital narwhal]

So when is this getting buffed?

[idle bay]

Surge is still decent , but Void in comparison will feel like you cheesing the game

[woven pumice]

in all fairness these aren't really the 2 options

[urban dove]

Dots don't feel good because the game isn't tanky enough for dots to be effective. I want soul blaze to work. I want to do a soul blaze build more than any other build but it just doesn't work

Why soulblaze when I could just kill em

[stone prawn]

looks good, time to kill some heretics

[whole oxide]

they kinda are

[woven pumice]

how 😭

psyker has so many aoe options besides soulblaze

[still hearth]

Usually because you can't kill 300+ targets at the same time

[whole oxide]

the most effective ways of pumping soulblaze are either with Shriek, with the AoE-On-Elite-Kill, or with Blazing Spirit on staff, or with Purgatus, all of which are large AoE

[urban dove]

Assail would disagree

[fossil lagoon]

Time to kill on a void staff is obviously going to be quicker then waiting for dots to tick, not sure what ur arguing for here

[still hearth]

Assail can do a lot

[lavish comet]

what did you sacrifice to the gods for this? A Kidney?
I wastetd nearly 10000 Plasteel and didn't got Surge one time...

[still hearth]

But it can't kill 300+ at the same time

[weak smelt]

So void staff, force sword, assault and the bubble shield should work to keep myself and the group safe?

[stone prawn]

5k plateel for me lol

[idle bay]

FS did not fixed Disruption mission (with rusty antennae) cheese in end. Probably because almost no one uses it it or reports it. You can climb on control pannel and break the encouter spawns - 90% of trash will not spawn or will spawn and run away from the room back to the stairs.

[lavish comet]

I will report this to my local Inquisitor!

[golden frigate]

get the testing mods if you dont have them, and go have fun

[woven pumice]

it's not as if voidstrike is purely a single target option

[urban dove]

Also I don't know what your doing to make soulblaze kill anything lol 😆 must be built different cuz my soul blaze tickles

[whole oxide]

it is on a single target, but not on a ball of 100 enemies

[idle bay]

Approach it like - this use whatever you feel you like to use, whatever you fell might be useful.

[golden frigate]

also, consider the fact that you will be able to give your full attention to specials and elites that will spawn in the meantime, instead of being also focused on other things

[woven pumice]

you are aware voidstrike pierces infinitely and you can base your positioning around that

[whole oxide]

it does not pierce infinitely

[urban dove]

I also hate that soulblaze is an after thought of original psyker and not its own thing. Like it should have a blitz

[woven pumice]

it's like vt2 bolt staff but with a fat ball

[golden frigate]

lmao infinite void pierce

[still hearth]

Replace Smite with Flames? I'm down.

[golden frigate]

that would be fun

[whole oxide]

it categorically does not pierce infinitely, it has an 11 hitmass limit

[fossil lagoon]

Yes i have the testing mods, yes i play auric etc. There is no situation where having a 24 dmg ticking dot is better then just 1 shotting the scab/gunner/poxer

[woven pumice]

it sure isn't solely single target 😭

[urban dove]

Think more like a fire ball or flame. Nado

[fossil lagoon]

They need to double or triple the damage for it to even come close

[sick mulch]

assail shouldnt be nerfed if bb isnt getting buffed imo

[whole oxide]

you're still thinking in terms of single target

how are you going to kill an entire room in 1 shot?

[fossil lagoon]

With void / trauma

[whole oxide]

yeah, no.

[golden frigate]

there are, say, 20 gunners shooting at you while you got crushers/maulers/ragers/whatever zoning you further away from them, and got the start of an horde incoming; you are clutching/with bad teammates/without anybody else who can gunner clear. I'd be happy to have that specific talent right then and there, idk about you

[glass plume]

yeh but soulblaze doesnt kill an entire room either lol

[fossil lagoon]

Counterpoint, yes

[whole oxide]

i look forward to seeing the video

[golden frigate]

and this is a fairy common occurence im my games, idk if you play with a static but with randoms you cant really trust them clearing gunners 3 games out of 5

[urban dove]

Bro I love yall siblings but I promise you. Soulblaze isn't worth it

[fossil lagoon]

Look forward to seeing the vid where a 24 dmg dot somehow 1 shots a room

[whole oxide]

it absolutely can do, provided enough stacks

[whole oxide]

there are plenty about

[fossil lagoon]

(Sedition difficulty doesnt count)

[urban dove]

The duration of soulblaze doesn't even allow for a ton of stacks

[woven pumice]

just trauma + blaze

[urban dove]

If the stacks refreshed duration I'd agree

[whole oxide]

then you're not doing it right. you can easily get over 10 stacks, which kills anything non-ogryn

[still hearth]

What

The stacks refresh the duration though

[urban dove]

Bro you gotta jump through hoops and bounds for that to work. I could just throw one void strike ?

[urban dove]

Last I checked no ?

[whole oxide]

you throw one void strike and kill 3-4 enemies

you throw one burning-shriek and kill 100

[still hearth]

Last you checked was wrong then lmao

[woven pumice]

😭

[golden frigate]

let's say 6, it good now

[charred shuttle]

Anyone knows if warp battery has to be done in a single stack or just 5 minutes of max stacks overall throughout 1 mission?

Or losing a stack resets it?

[urban dove]

I wish I was home to personally record a video of this being wrong

[fossil lagoon]

Oh dear oh dear

[still hearth]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1xQdof6LuShu43/d1337lSY8OOi?invite=cr-MSxnbXosMTYwMDY1NDYwLA

Idk how someone can be so wrong about soulblaze

[glass plume]

psykanium is not gameplay

lol

[whole oxide]

"it can't kill a room of enemies"

[still hearth]

????

It literally did

Exactly what I said it does

[kind jay]

max stacks for 5min, no falloff

[urban dove]

I mean good for you this isn't impressive tho because it's all groaners

[still hearth]

Those are poxwalkers

[fossil lagoon]

Wow it took only 8 whole ticks of damage in perfect testing conditions to kill poxwalkers

I kneel

[still hearth]

It won't take less ticks in non-perfect conditions

[whole oxide]

it killed an entire horde of them, not just 1

[still hearth]

What the fuck is this goalpost shifting

[sick mulch]

what even started this argument

[charred shuttle]

Wow, that's total bs

[still hearth]

"Man you were right but it doesn't matter QQ"

[whole oxide]

you literally asked for a video of it clearing an entire room, and there it is, there's the video

[fossil lagoon]

A trauma staff could clear that horde in literally half the time with two heavy charges

[woven pumice]

does surge apply blazing spirit twice

[still hearth]

No it couldn't lmao

Sadly 6 charges isn't enough to kill bruisers

It does leave them at like 10 hp

[charred shuttle]

Soulblaze has some nice synergy, but I prefer to keep assail for clearing hordes and specials + voidstrike for 2-tapping bulwarks

[woven pumice]

why not just blazing spirit trauma staff

[still hearth]

You can have both though

I mean at 30% crit chance

Odds are you wont get two crits

[digital narwhal]

Warp Rupture could use a buff to make it competitive with Creeping Flames

[still hearth]

And that's assuming you're at 90%+ peril

[fossil lagoon]

There is no goal shifting, your video has only proven me correct infact

[kind jay]

it should be easy if you use assail. do it while it's still good

[whole oxide]

correct when you said soulblaze couldn't clear a room?

[cyan notch]

fascinating to see people not know what ascendant blaze can do

its only been what a year

[charred shuttle]

Eventually there is just a too long of a break between meeting enemies, even on threat lvl4 high intensity gauntlets

[fossil lagoon]

Yes, there are more then just poxers in a room usually

[golden frigate]

I love trauma, but this is just like those idiots who say "I could fistfight a gorilla and win"

[woven pumice]

does surge apply the other blessing's affects in general though

like rending shockwave

[fossil lagoon]

So showing how slow it is to kill poxers in the testing room is just proving my point

[still hearth]

This doesn't apply since surge doesn't work on trauma RMB afaik

[still hearth]

Killing an infinite amount of poxwalkers in 8s is slow

[woven pumice]

heartbreaking honestly

[still hearth]

You heard it here first boys

[whole oxide]

1 + 1 = 1

[golden frigate]

there is no way we are not being hard trolled rn

[whole oxide]

amazing

[fossil lagoon]

You can also clear a room of poxers standing still with a laspistol but it doesnt prove much

[still hearth]

LMAO

[whole oxide]

not in anywhere NEAR the same time

[still hearth]

And people say I cope when I'm wrong

Most weapons can't even kill 20 poxwalkers in 8s

What is this insane cope

[fossil lagoon]

An infinite amount of poxers can be killed by 1 single voidstrike / trauma

In1 second

[still hearth]

Trauma technically yes

[charred shuttle]

Ok but a grenade can do that as well, without a cooldown and removing warp charges

[whole oxide]

Void, no

[still hearth]

But at very extreme ideal conditions only

[whole oxide]

and for Trauma they'd have to be stacked perfectly

[sick mulch]

i could

[still hearth]

Barely and not even close to the same AoE

And also cooldown?

[urban dove]

?

[still hearth]

Grenades have a 60s cooldown

With no CDR possible

???

[kind jay]

yeah true. maybe try in hab dreyko. that might be a good constant flow of enemies.

[fossil lagoon]

The ideal condition in question: holding right click for half a second

[still hearth]

And them being within hugging distance of each other

Instead of you know

up to 30m away

Across the hall

Behind a wall

[charred shuttle]

Will try, thanks

[fossil lagoon]

Yes poxwalkers are generally very close together

[urban dove]

I'm still on what grenade has a CD ?

[still hearth]

Yeah so you kill maybe 10 of them and then there's 200 more either being tossed around or running towards someone

[whole oxide]

grenades have very limited ammo, and a much smaller AoE, it's not a like for like comparison

[urban dove]

Debatable

[still hearth]

Grenades are actually far closer to trauma AoE than shriek but

I guess we just discount the 30m cone

[whole oxide]

i also want to know which grenade you can fire through walls

[still hearth]

And pretend trauma is like 10m wide or something

[fossil lagoon]

The simple fact is throwing void balls to 1 shot things has a far greater impact then a dot -- there are also 3 other people on your team cleaving hordes as well

[urban dove]

Imma just head out with I disagree. And also. Cope mald seethe , whats a bleed knife @ you

[fossil lagoon]

How often do the dots even tick before the mobs are dead by direct damage

Its simply a pretty particle effect

[still hearth]

And now those 3 don't have to cleave hordes and can focus on the other things.

[glass plume]

It's quite clear that under the right conditions, soulblaze can do decent damage - but in game, the odds that you're going to be able to keep rolling stacks, and spread them consistently while teammates are also attacking the same horde as you, it really doesn't pan out that well in game.

[whole oxide]

if you're fighting a small number of guys, yeah, but the point is you can soulblaze hundreds of guys at once

[still hearth]

Idk what the problem here is

[fossil lagoon]

Only usecase to is light up mobs in a lights out condition

[still hearth]

You're not trading away your voidstrike

You're still using it??

The discussion isn't whether shriek > voidstrike

[glass plume]

you're forgetting the opportunity cost - that's 5 talent points and locking yourself into venting shriek

[still hearth]

"locking yourself"

ok sure

Wdym 5 talents

You literally pay at most 3 to get shriek

[fossil lagoon]

Yeah exactly so idk why u began jumping down my throat about it

[still hearth]

Which is the same for any ult

[glass plume]

perilous combustion, wildfire, vent shriek, becamlming and creeping flames

[still hearth]

Because for some reason you said it doesn't matter that shriek does exactly what we said it does

[fossil lagoon]

Like some weird soulblaze nationalism

[still hearth]

If you take wildfire you're doing it wrong

[pallid glacier]

Is smite really that good? I find it extremely annoying and useless. All it does is lag everyone and melee classes already stunlock hordes? Not sure. I can’t stand the lag it causes

[sick mulch]

smite is good for cc otherwise eh

assail >>>>>>>>>>> bb > smite in my opinion

[still hearth]

More like Assail >> Smite > BB

Unless you're specifically running Voidstrike or just enjoy stabbing Crushers with an anti-armor melee

[sick mulch]

yes

[cyan notch]

smid

[pallid glacier]

Idk smite is really dogshit imo. The stun is worthless. Good players don’t get hit like that anyway

[sick mulch]

i said in my opinion

[lavish comet]

Depends, it can save the day when you stun problematic anmies in tough situations, best in combo with a melee teammate

[glass plume]

hol up so youre dying on the hill of the literal 6 stack venting shriek soulblaze

[still hearth]

Okay mr pro gamer

[glass plume]

which you need like max peril for, and if you need to vent you actually waste the shriek unless youre in the right place at the right time

[pallid glacier]

The only time smite is useful has been against crushers or soemthing

[still hearth]

If you need to vent then why aren't you knee deep in a fight

[pallid glacier]

It’s so annoying when someone smites a bunch of weak enemies

[summer prairie]

Shriek with creeping flames is the strongest combat ability and it's not close

[sick mulch]

bb > smite because rule of cool

[still hearth]

This is a player error not a blitz error

[lavish comet]

why? easy kills for you!

[pallid glacier]

Also the frame drips of smite makes it unplayable

[still hearth]

Smite should only be used in situations where it is required

[still hearth]

Yeah but voidstrike and trauma does the same thing apparently

[pallid glacier]

It’s actually not easy kills. They stun worthless enemies that get 1 shot anyway while they are spread out where normally they would funnel in to die

[lavish comet]

I run Smite as a CC tool not as a Trash-Clear Method. And in this role it's amazing

[whole oxide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjamMybXG6Q

[sick mulch]

ive literally never had an issue with smite and frames and my gpu aint even that good

[upbeat schooner]

@still hearth bleed knife?

[whole oxide]

I look forward to seeing that many kills done that quickly with Void

[still hearth]

Also uh

@whole oxide the instant damage shout is even worse than we thought

It has some kind of falloff

And only does 200 at max

[whole oxide]

lol

[summer prairie]

warp charges buff it at least but yeah no reason to ever take it

[urban dove]

We don't talk about that perk it was a mistake in development

[still hearth]

I think it actually falls off

Because your peril goes down

[fluid knot]

Ogryn with Big Bomba; hold my beer rashuns

[urban dove]

But also if it's too strong it will absolutely nullify the use of soul blaze

[still hearth]

Well idk what the point of it is

It does so little damage rn

[summer prairie]

You also only need 80% peril to get 6 stacks with creeping flames, do you need higher than that to cap out the other one

[lavish comet]

I would consider taking it when it could kill trash... but with 200 dmg... pure waste

[old narwhal]

whats the best load out right now for psyker

[urban dove]

There is no point of it lol they need to delete it and make a new perk cuz if it does more than 300 dammage that video you posted would be less than 2 seconds long 🤣

[lavish comet]

Voidstrike and Melee of your choise

[summer prairie]

maybe make it increase shriek distance/cone and give it even more stagger, but hard to ever compete with creeping flames

[urban dove]

The same situation you posted with that perk buffed would one shot the entire wave. Which would nullify the soul blaze perk

[lavish comet]

200-400 Dmg based on Peril + Warp Charges, then it would be kinda nice

[urban dove]

This video. If they buff the scream dammage perk. If it goes over 300 it would one shot all the walkers standing here. So no. It would nullify the Blaze perk

[summer prairie]

yeah but that's dumb, basically the same thing as creeping flames

[urban dove]

Nah it's not fair to the blaze

[still hearth]

Poxwalkers have 375 HP on damnation

[whole oxide]

give it voidstrike level damage, but in a much smaller area

[still hearth]

So they'd need to basically double the damage

[summer prairie]

no point having two modifiers that do the same thing in a slightly different way

[still hearth]

Which is funny because on Malice it should 1-shot poxwalkers

Yeah why not make it like a confusion shout

Make enemies hit each other

[urban dove]

Make it a Circle shout ?

[still hearth]

Make it a channeled shout

You can just keep enemies pinned

[lavish comet]

They could change the range of both, small Damage Nuke and Huge DoT Area, the Perks should feel different

[urban dove]

What like the zealot prayer ?

[still hearth]

Or make it throw everything away much further and stagger bosses

Just being able to stagger bosses would be pretty neat

[paper loom]

this any good for a gun psyker? never used a gun so not sure what blessings or perks to aim for

[urban dove]

Zealot prayer does

[summer prairie]

everything should get thrown until they hit a wall

[lavish comet]

Or knockdown to all but monstrosities
thats what you said... was a long day ^^

[urban dove]

I actually like the idea of a scream that can be held down. To continue banshee screaming dealing dammage every second based on peril

[still hearth]

Throw my team off the map

[summer prairie]

that's a good way to balance it

[still hearth]

"ops!"

"THIS IS THE THIRD TIME?!?!?"

[summer prairie]

I'm sorry, it's on a 21s timer so you just have to be careful and pay attention

[still hearth]

Maybe not give people the chance to troll each other but...

[lavish comet]

Or a mega damage nuke but you get instant corruption

[whole oxide]

no, but, didn't you know, that if something isn't the top single-target damage dealer, it is functionally useless, regardless of being able to cleave infinitely?

[urban dove]

Maybe. Like I said @still hearth had a good idea with the held scream/channeled scream

[urban dove]

I thought we were past this rag

[kind jay]

meanwhile i just want the ability to telekinetic grab enemies and use them as throwing weapons

[near wyvern]

Make the direct damage do massive knocback instead. I want to expand the dog space program with mauler and crusher space programs.

[whole oxide]

really? I didn't see anyone say anything

[near wyvern]

Or allow it to stagger mutants, monstrosities and bosses as well with the upgrade.

[still hearth]

I think most people have silently agreed at this point

[urban dove]

I have silently disagreed I just want to move the conversation to be more productive

[cyan notch]

balls

[urban dove]

Wrong chat ogryn @cyan notch

[sick mulch]

blaze is only bad because randoms are shitters and i NEED the shield

[whole oxide]

fact is, burning-shriek has been meta pretty much since launch, and is enormously powerful. whether it's still "best" is debatable and subjective, but the idea that its "useless" is just laughable

[golden frigate]

man you don't understand

[cyan notch]

never insult me like this again

[golden frigate]

2 trauma charges are enough to kill 1000 poxwalkers

anything else is just cope

[urban dove]

Man Ragnar I really was hoping we could escape this conversation

[still hearth]

Why two?

[golden frigate]

it's a quote for the intellectuals

[still hearth]

You just need one

[whole oxide]

ball's in your court

[golden frigate]

THAT'S NOT WHAT THE FUNNY MAN TYPED

[urban dove]

I don't want it in my court 😫

[zinc phoenix]

“Egg head need pipe”

• big think ogryn

[whole oxide]

it's very easy, I'll walk you through it

[faint vault]

Best blessings and perks for a MK IV dueling sabre?

[whole oxide]

"I guess I hadn't thought about it enough"

[urban dove]

Sibling your not gonna convince me. I was a soul blaze enjoyer for my entire pree level 30 adventure. But now ? Voidstrike, Assail and sheild have my heart.

[whole oxide]

that's fine, I'm not trying to convince you to use it

just to admit that it is good

[faint vault]

Assail, creeping shriek and charges are the bomb.

[summer prairie]

you take it with assail and voidstrike

[urban dove]

SIBLING PLEASE. it's not worth it 😕

[sick mulch]

cant you take two of these with blaze

[faint vault]

Been running your build syllogism, and it rocks.

[urban dove]

The point is all 3 just work

[summer prairie]

the shield is perfectly fine and useful, don't get me wrong

[zinc phoenix]

Creeping shriek or shrieking creep? 🤔

[faint vault]

Both work!

Last one sounds like a Nirvana song.

[urban dove]

I wish we would got something else besides Scriers Trance

[still hearth]

The trick is

To charge up to 100

Pop Scrier's

Then have a free 20% crit boost

For like 10s or whatever

[urban dove]

Lmao

[summer prairie]

doesn't only the damage buff linger

seems like a small issue

[still hearth]

Idk

I thought it all lingered

[urban dove]

I just wanted a better ability 😪 something else cool not a Stim/buff

[sick mulch]

scriers seems like it was made for people who just got the game and want to use a gun on psyker over a staff

[woven pumice]

It's still nice as just a melee buff

[near wyvern]

It also works wonders on transfer peril surge void

You fan just pop it and go to town

[kind jay]

make scrier partywide, remove peril cost, give duration

ez

[fluid knot]

Idk, personally im using it because its the only one likely to not get nerfed into the ground (though i expect to see the direct damage form of Shriek buffed). I'll wait to see the final form of the other abilities before i become invested in something thats subject to substantial changes

[summer prairie]

It's supposed to quell peril on hit/kill, maybe it's decent when it does

[urban dove]

I could do this but meh sheild so good for keeping team alive

[faint vault]

What blessings do you recommend on dueling sabres?

[whole oxide]

Uncanny, and then any of Shred, Rampage or Riposte

[fluid knot]

Ngl, i dont really often notice the impact a shield has on the game myself

[faint vault]

Thanks!

[urban dove]

I think the dome is a bit over tuned it really does calm the squad down. Players go from full panic to absolute focus when the dome comes out

[sick mulch]

a 40s cd no ranged attacks allowed button that also regens toughness is stupid nice

[fluid knot]

Cant say ive seen that myself either, usually the Psyker drops it on theirselves an it has borderline zero impact for the Ogg and Zealot, i guess its nice for Vet to have a safe shooting position, but yeah

[urban dove]

I drop it wherever it's needed sometimes on myself but if I'm safe I drop on the Ogryn and zel

[whole oxide]

it's really the strongest Ult (for psyker) by quite a lot, only reason to take other 2 is for style

[summer prairie]

should be only ~28s with all the cdr you can get

[fluid knot]

Idk about that chief... Venting with the Soulblaze actually kills stuff

[sick mulch]

not this again

[urban dove]

Bruh

[whole oxide]

yeah, but, that's the difference between "win more" and "don't lose"

[kind jay]

the toughness regen alone is a good reason to drop it. plus it has the 50% tough reduce (idk if this procs if shield breaks tho)

[urban dove]

ANYWAYS

[fluid knot]

Exactly, it kills stuff, less stuff being about to cause problems, or being softened up for easier killing is a "win more" effect

Its also free for playing how you usually would

As is the case with all the blaze talents

And blessings tbh

[whole oxide]

ehhh, I've definitely been in positions lots of times where a dome has saved a run, or allowed to more aggressively push

[cold oasis]

I really tried with Purgatus

Boy is it shit

[urban dove]

Oh man here we go again

[sterile saddle]

were you using it like a voidstaff?

cause.. that wont work

[cold oasis]

No, just using it normally :v

on Auric it just doesn't do shit

[viscid matrix]

i did say its the worst staff now 😄 its good at horde clearing and soft cc
its just not as good as the other 3

[sterile saddle]

You gotta dump it into mobs

[cold oasis]

far too much ranged garbage

[whole oxide]

inb4 someone claims "void can infinitely cleave"

[sterile saddle]

and then slide left and right

[cyan notch]

void can infinitely cleave

[summer prairie]

if you keep shooting yeah

infinitely

[cold oasis]

The problem is simply this, melee mobs were never a problem

[viscid matrix]

Void is overtuned as hell, everyone is aware of that at this point

[cold oasis]

Not being able to do shit to 09182302183 gunners and ranged isn't fun

[cyan notch]

guns can infinitely shoot (if u have ammo)

[sterile saddle]

was the zero in front.. intentional?

[summer prairie]

it has 10 cleave or whatever

[viscid matrix]

thats why you bring brain burst in a burn build

[sterile saddle]

cause its damaging my adhg

adhd

[summer prairie]

not that much more than before

[cold oasis]

Fuck me, i gotta use EP, BB and the Vent just to use a puragtus to be passable?

Fuck all that

[cyan notch]

10 is better than 6

[urban dove]

Bring sheild and purge

Pop dome then purge erythang

[viscid matrix]

pretty much
there is a reason why i use surge instead of purga

[cold oasis]

I mean, i really tried my best to min max both Purgatus and Scrier

They are so utter shit, they really do need a buff

[sterile saddle]

and DD

[cold oasis]

the fact that you HAVE to use BB for purgatus to be even just viable is so fucky

[urban dove]

Agreed

[cold oasis]

DD is just shit

we don't talk about that

hopefully one day it'll be just straight up removed

[fluid knot]

Been using Scriers on a Recon Las crit build, kinda slaps tbh

[cold oasis]

The problem with guns and Scriers

[summer prairie]

DD is okay with 30s stacks

[fluid knot]

Tho ofc you become an ammo hog

[cold oasis]

is that you really don't have the buff up enough

[sterile saddle]

you should make a build with BB, Scrier and DD, while weilding a purge staff and a knife

[summer prairie]

and takes fewer nodes to grab

[fluid knot]

Having a constant buff i dont think is the idea

[cold oasis]

i love knife >_>

not on psyker but still

[fluid knot]

Its an "Oh shit i need to kill all these dudes quickly" button

[whole oxide]

the functionality of it is fine, it could maybe use some numerical boosts

[teal needle]

I tried recon on new psyker and it felt like it still took like 5 minutes to kill a normal dreg gunner

[whole oxide]

yeah, it's still sub-par for psyker, works v well on vet now tho

[teal needle]

Too busy running around like a crackhead with a knife on my vet to shoot much lmao

[brave turret]

i think las pistol is the best las weapon for pysker

[teal needle]

With all the gunker damage stacking the new shredder autopistol feels as powerful as the old one, too. Haven't been gunking much this patch though

[viscid matrix]

Vraks VII and Kantreal XII are really good too

[teal needle]

Fireballs 2 stronk

[digital narwhal]

Scrier's Gaze with Tac Axe goes kinda hard

[viscid matrix]

Scriers with any melee goes hard 😄

its better for a melee build than anything else 😄

[digital narwhal]

I typically run it with Laspistol + Tac Axe

'Cause Laspistol crits go hard

[thin finch]

Scriers Gaze Mk IV duelist sword is fun
DD is "okay" with 30s duration ,30 stagkbis useless because it will never be reached

It's just nice to find all the day one psyker warp stack struggle but worse

[loud girder]

errrrrr, worth 18,515 gold?

sprint eff is kinda ass

but its 379

which is kinda cool

riposte also kinda trash on a demios no? youe not relying on dodging i assume

[thin finch]

You can always pray for another good perk and blessing and you just change those one

[loud girder]

yeah but the stat distribution is pretty bad no?

i assume mobility eneds to be giga dump right

its the worst mod

[viscid matrix]

nah Warp resist is the dump stat on Deimos

[thin finch]

It's not min max but you have high base so it's an okay one

[cold oasis]

It's a great fucking sword

the fuck do you guys want more

[loud girder]

REALLY

thats.. surprising

why?

[warm star]

What perks for this badboy?

[thin finch]

Low finesse kinda sucks tho

[loud girder]

i'd assume you'd want as much attackspeed as possible

[viscid matrix]

cause you dont really care about the special on deimos, and that is the only thing that the warp resist applies to

[cold oasis]

fuck me, i wouldn't consider 72 low

[loud girder]

interesting

[thin finch]

Warp resis just make you generate less peril which doesn't really matter.
Just Quell

[loud girder]

why is the special so bad?

[viscid matrix]

swap transfer peril for Warp Nexus

[viscid matrix]

its not bad but its not great either

[cold oasis]

Special for Deimos is goated

it implodes monstruosity

[viscid matrix]

its meh, your H2 does as much as your special does

[frank moat]

Deimos special is great but it's rare that you'd be chaining it enough to pop your own skull

[cold oasis]

I mean, sure, if you have low of it really doesn't change

But really, that sword is fucking gigantic

[viscid matrix]

tbh if you want good single target, you go for a MK IV dueling sword

[loud girder]

it seems like dueling is just the best overall hands down no contest

has good cleave, good single target

[viscid matrix]

Illisi is better at cleave

[loud girder]

it seems to outshine everything

[cold oasis]

But yeah, Dueling is great now

[loud girder]

but i do like force swords so it kinda sucks theyre not in a good place

in comparison

[viscid matrix]

H2 is where deimos does its best damage

the combo for Deimos is L1 H2 L1 H2

[unreal tapir]

Is there a mod that’s showing you info like that?

[molten prawn]

Is the deimos worth it over dueling swords

[viscid matrix]

inspect the weapon then click display weapon details

[unreal tapir]

Oh cool

[lethal folio]

The Duelling IV is just better now.

[cold oasis]

Honestly, all i want

Is dueling swords on veteran

[thin finch]

The MKIV is a monster if only for it's low stamina

But you H1 a mutie into a special action and boom ded

[viscid matrix]

Deimos L1 is more damage than H1

[viscid matrix]

mainly preference

[thin finch]

What's the point of Mk1 or 2 over 4 tho ?

[viscid matrix]

Illisi is decent, but its a horde clearer instead of good single taret

[thin finch]

Better dodge ?

[viscid matrix]

different modifiers

[loud girder]

unfortunately though fatshark isnt known for shipping balancing patches too often if at all

when it comes to weapons

i hope its different when it comes to darktide

[naive imp]

assail is 1,000,000% getting nerfed

it is unhealthy for the game

i'll sign the petition

[loud girder]

i kinda agree

[thin finch]

Same for voidstrike sadly

[glad meadow]

is this good to use for long? I just got this at level 28

[loud girder]

its too poweful for how easy and low risk it is

[royal granite]

what are you talking about, they have done loads of balance passes on darktide alone

[naive imp]

1 assail psyker turns the game into walking simulator for the other 3 people

[thin finch]

I'll have to check ,I've seen Jtc use mK2 instead of 4 and was wonderinf why

[naive imp]

let alone if there are 2,3 or a full lobby

[glad meadow]

i know that you should only use stuff you get at level 30

[loud girder]

on vermintide its been ages between patches and even then they barely touched balance

[glad meadow]

but this is my first legendary sword

[thin finch]

3 assail psyker with 1 smite was a walk in the park

One lock the swarm and the bee swarm chunk trough it , I think it was almost cruel

[naive imp]

tbh the smite psyker didn't have to do dick all. lol

[loud girder]

psyker will definitely be my full blown main when they balance force sword and combat knife to be more in-line with dueling, because i love all these weapons

but right now it kinda looks like youd be a fool to not use dueling

[thin finch]

The MKV is just useless

[glad meadow]

hello?

wait no

[viscid matrix]

as you can see, MK2 and 4 have Cleave Damage
MK5 has defences and Mobility

[glad meadow]

is this good to use?

[viscid matrix]

its decent, shit damage tho

[thin finch]

Yeah so MKV is useless

[arctic shard]

I just got back into this again and wtf is up with new talent tree how tf

[unreal tapir]

axe worth using? i was going to dismantle this for the t4 headtaker and slap it on a dueling sword but this axe doesnt look too bad if i reroll the perks.

[glad meadow]

i havent got any legendary sword yet

what this thing good at?

the hell is warp resistance

[viscid matrix]

well it doesnt stack the mobility dodge limit

it can increase dodge distance a lot tho

[viscid matrix]

for force swords, when you use the special it gives you a certain ammount of peril, the higher your warp resist the less peril you gain

[thin finch]

I need toblearn to side dash >slide to use this

[viscid matrix]

MKV duelling is the highest mobility weapon in the game

[north cradle]

Rate my new Chainsword

[glad meadow]

do psycher get dagger?

[royal granite]

yes, psycher get dagger

psyker gets the combat knife

[viscid matrix]

yes, but it is only 10% dodge distance, MKV dueling gets 15%

[glad meadow]

i don't see anyone use it

[north cradle]

Cuz Psykers don't get much out of daggers

[viscid matrix]

its not bad, its not terrible either

[north cradle]

Zealots do

[royal granite]

i like the combat knife, wish it was better

wish it was good at literally anything

[unreal tapir]

im going to try it out, what perks should i put on it?

[viscid matrix]

you want Uncanny Strike if you can get it

[paper loom]

this any good?

[unreal tapir]

whats the diference between melee damage elites and melee damage specialists? i thought elites were specialists

[sterile saddle]

specialists are the shooters

[old quiver]

Specialists are disablers and debuffers like dogs and flamers

[sterile saddle]

o nm

[unreal tapir]

oh makes sense

[sterile saddle]

i thought those were maniacs

[old quiver]

Elites are like ragers

[viscid matrix]

Elites:

• Crushers/Bulwarks/Reapers
• Scab/Dreg Gunners
• Scab/Dreg Shotgunners
• Scab/Dreg Ragers
• Scab Maulers

Specialists:

• Poxburster
• Scab/Dreg Flamers
• Scab Bomber
• Scab Sniper
• Scab Trapper
• Mutants
• Poxhounds

[viscid matrix]

maniacs are a subtype of specialists

[old quiver]

Can you roll surge on a blue or doe sit have to be on an orange? Never seen it before so want to ask before trying to roll it

[viscid matrix]

its very rare 😄

[old quiver]

Yeah I figured lol

[sterile saddle]

you can roll on a blue

it's cheaper to upgrade twice

[old quiver]

Oh cool

[viscid matrix]

its roughly 1500 platsteel per weapon to go from grey to orange

[sterile saddle]

Yeah the amount of plasteel i spent before I learned that..

staggering..

if I could trade my diamantine i'd be happy

at least.. for about fifeen minutes

until I blow it all

[old quiver]

Lmao true

[viscid matrix]

somehow some people have over 100k

[sterile saddle]

Those people have one set of weapons and thats all they use

or they have 2000 hrs and they'ved maxed all blessings

they run maelstrom auric all day and do flips through the level like ninjas while killing bosses by hiding under stairs and stuff..

[austere burrow]

Combat knife kinda nice with rending

You just mash push attack and kill crushers

[unreal tapir]

wow the axe sucks compared to dueling sword

instant debless to put the t4 blessing on my dueling sword

[austere burrow]

Which axe

[unreal tapir]

mk vi tactical i think, im in mission

[kind jay]

what's good on knife? im guessing rending and one of the bleeds?

[austere burrow]

I imagine bleed on crit would be good for monster killing

I have riposte on rn just because that's what rolled on the weapon

Rending is doing all the work for me damage wise lol

[empty onyx]

Also I figured out why Disrupt Destiny sometimes doesn't seem to work: While it says it marks "Enemies", it only ever marks specials or ranged enemies, essentially the same enemies that also would get marked by the "also mark shooters"-extended Volley Fire. Including the fact that Non-special scab shooters seem to get marked a lot more rarely than Dregs.

[kind jay]

yeah i gotta work on mine. i love me some thug knife action

crit knife sounds like fun

[empty onyx]

Still found it very useful, because it seems to prefer Special enemies (Specials, Elites, Gunners), which means you always get a 25m warning that one (and with that, likely more) are around, even through a crowd.

[unreal tapir]

why does mk iv dueling sword poke one tap mutants but i cant replicate even half of that on other weapons heavy with perks

it just does 10x the damage of other weapon heavies

[empty onyx]

I like the Mk IV thrust because it's very easy to hit the head with it.

[fresh reef]

My disdain for low level void/assail players just keeps growing

[empty onyx]

With the way the Mutant is shaped and moves, overheads or other attacks tend to hit the body rather than the head.

[unreal tapir]

or even with armoured damage perks and stuff on other weapons it takes 3x the amount of heavy weakspot hits to kill anything as dueling sword

i can just 2 poke a reaper which doesnt seem right

[naive imp]

what is the go to psyker melee for cleave?

[fresh reef]

Illisi

[narrow crane]

I don't have the numbers because breakpoints in this game are a fucking nightmare but I can reliably one tap muties with my Mark V dueling sword w/ 25% Maniac damage

[naive imp]

is that at 15?

[unreal tapir]

yea and my dueling sword is really bad as well, bad stat distribution and bad perks, with a mediocre blessing

[fresh reef]

think so

[unreal tapir]

still outperforms way better weapons

[olive ember]

Welcome to fatshark balancing

[narrow crane]

The mobility w the DS truly is king right now

[olive ember]

The closest you will get is probably the other dueling swords and the deimos

The trade off is that none of them have amazing horde clear

[narrow crane]

My Mark V has 80 damage and 76 finesse so that might be why

[olive ember]

Compared to something like the illisi or even a BM caxe

[unreal tapir]

what does finesse actually do?

[fresh reef]

does this node act as Ogryn's lynchpin where it increases your coherency radius? wording is a tad confusing

[narrow crane]

weapoint damage multiplier and attack speed i think

[olive ember]

Don’t remember off the top of my head but there is a detailed stats button

[summer prairie]

it should work both ways

[austere burrow]

a single crit would have been nice...

[patent steeple]

*Towering Presence 🤓

[empty onyx]

This one one-taps mutans either with a crit or with sufficient Uncanny Stacks, Two-Taps Maulers with full stacks and almost ( 😡 ) Two-Taps Crushers with Full Stacks and one crit. It's infuriating. I'm like 39 damage off the two-tap.

[fresh reef]

mb. I always ran those two talents together so I get the names mixed lol

[royal falcon]

maulers really be walking like they all that

[austere burrow]

time to get an 80/80

[royal falcon]

weakspot/crit damage multiplier

[viscid matrix]

inspect all your weapons, and mouse over the modifiers, it will tell you exactly what everything does

[royal falcon]

er- what wozzy and chialde said

[empty onyx]

I've already put too much money and Plasteel into trying. And I shan't give up!

[austere burrow]

that's the spirit

[empty onyx]

I'm not sure if the build I'm using it with is actually good, but I'm surviving Damnation Missions with it if I don't act stupid, so...eh.

[narrow crane]

can't wait until FS equalizes the base stat system and I have 17 of the same Mk IV Dueling Sword

[empty onyx]

I just sell all that I don't need.

[narrow crane]

If only we got fucking materials for breaking weapons down

god damn they still have so much to fix lmao

[viscid matrix]

it probably wont happen any time soon

[narrow crane]

Probably won't happen for another year or two

[viscid matrix]

if ever

why would they change it, its working so far 😄

[narrow crane]

Darktide 2 feature

[whole oxide]

they nearly completely sunk their own game dying on the hill of RNG crafting, RNG shop, and locks. for some reason this is a line in the sand for them

[tender pine]

sad gamer hours

[empty onyx]

Is that even viable now when you cannot recharge your cooldown with headpop anymore?

[unreal tapir]

yea i did it yesterday

just ran ahead of my team the entire mission on damnation to steal all the elite kills

is scrier's gaze gun build the only way to melt monstrosities? or will finding good staff blessings make killing monstrosities not a nightmare

[sterile saddle]

i use melee axe to chunk monstrosities

works gud

[naive imp]

pretty sure void staff destroys them

[unreal tapir]

i feel like it would with crit blessings and stuff but i dont have that yet

[naive imp]

look at the overkill damage...

[glad meadow]

is void staff better than surge most of the time?

i explode like frequently to kill 1-2 elites while i see other randoms using void just destroying them

[still hearth]

Kind of yeah

The Surge blessing on Void makes it extra broken

[glad meadow]

i honestly don't know what surge good at

i thought it supposed to be cc

[royal granite]

that was before

[unreal tapir]

yea even with a trash voidstaff i 2 hit bulwarks and crushrs

[royal granite]

smite is the cc now

[glad meadow]

so what is surge role now?

[near wyvern]

Define better

[royal falcon]

smite 2

[royal granite]

it's for killing specials, but the game balance is a bit out of whack right now

[cedar zenith]

Surge does decent damage

[ocean juniper]

I'm kinda new to the game, what's a good psyker build?

[glad meadow]

easier to use, higher damage vs most enemies type, etc

[cedar zenith]

And you don’t need to aim

[near wyvern]

Surge is assassin staff. Kills everything in 1 to 3 hits.

[glad meadow]

basically it fit into more situation and better at its niche than surge is

[near wyvern]

And charges up super fast

[glad meadow]

then it can be called better

[royal falcon]

I would suggest taking a look in the guide in this channel's pins and taking a look-see for yourself through the tree to see what you like and want to try out

[woven pumice]

if surge had longer range it would be perfect for snipers due to no travel time

[glad meadow]

if it is so then i see void staff having an easier time killing things than i do

[lament topaz]

This a half decent staff? It's old but still

[glad meadow]

like one charge and boom its done

[still hearth]

No

[glad meadow]

surge is 2 at most and a lot of peril

[lament topaz]

🤨

[cedar zenith]

269

[ocean juniper]

@royal falcon thank you man, most people been hostile when I ask them

[lament topaz]

I said it was old

[glad meadow]

heh heh, 69

[still hearth]

It could be brand new and it would still be bad

[cedar zenith]

Honestly just buy something from in the 350 range and upgrade it and it’ll probably be better

[royal falcon]

sadly no

[lament topaz]

Why the hell can a Voidstrike have Terrifying Barrage

[near wyvern]

You have been asking help at the wrong time then. There are lot of friendly folks here helping out.

[glad meadow]

how the hell do you "hip-fire" a staff lol

[still hearth]

Primary fire

[glad meadow]

i know it is just a game term but it sounds funny

[agile hinge]

noob question.. does this perk on my sword also count towards damage on asail ?

[woven pumice]

mk4 cleaver ragdolling everything 😭 this shit is so funny

[still hearth]

Only if you have the sword out when the shards connect

[agile hinge]

ahh thx for the info:D

[glad meadow]

so i just got a terrifying barrage + hip fire trauma staff

(new player so be patient)