psyker-class

[untold otter]

i see it now

[royal granite]

put all 5 shots into a crusher head and it did not die

[late yew]

... except void stuff is the most op thing about psyker now

[sterile saddle]

its all gud mane

u emptied a revolver into a crusher and it didn't die?

[royal granite]

headshots also don't oneshot ragers

on damnation to be clear

[sterile saddle]

u can bodyshot a crusher and it'll die in 5 shots..

[teal needle]

If you're using empower then honestly the faster regen might be skippable. Assail kills so much you're basically always empowered and shooting for free

[sterile saddle]

ur revolver got like.. 30% dmg on it or sommat?

[royal granite]

no i think it's 70 something if not 80

i don't think testing a weapon with less than 70 damage is fair to it

[sterile saddle]

hmm.. I usually use things like extra power for each missing shot

or extra power for each repeated hit

works super good cause revolver peirces

so fire a shot into a crowd and max stacks

[royal granite]

i didn't bother doing the feats since i don't have a lot of those unlocked

[austere estuary]

I Really wish they'd make this bit horizontal

[royal granite]

anyway putting all 5 shots into a crusher aint worth it with that glacial reload speed

[sterile saddle]

Revovler on syker is not too bad, since ur usually doing other stuff, it's good for pinpointing elites

tbh u should be trying to BB it

or if uh ave a force sword, you can tip it over

then smek it's head

[royal granite]

i usually run voidstrike

so crushers aren't an issue

although before the patch i also ran voidstrike and back then i'd just force sword them, yeah

[sterile saddle]

Speaking of which, does anyone know how to improve weapon push?

[spice veldt]

the fun thing is that Hand Cannon on your revolver will apply to crit assails

[royal granite]

anyway i think it's mid, it would be a good weapon if your character had a speed loader

but the current reload speed is way too slow

[austere estuary]

wonder if multiple crit auras stack

[true lake]

I mean a crit is a crit, I don't think you can make it a stronger crit unless you have more base damage

[plucky flax]

Knowing fartshart probably no.

[true lake]

or extra damage from other sources

[royal granite]

i think i've seen at least one +crit damage talent

[raven scarab]

so coming back from not touching the game in a year, should i put deflector on the sword instead of shred or na?

[true lake]

I would just get a new force sword tbh

deflector comes very helpful in a pinch tho, has saved my ass plenty of times with quick revives

also useful to close the gap on gunners

[lyric burrow]

Yeah that sword is dead

[royal granite]

blocking gunshots with your psychic powers is too much of a psyker power fantasy, you can't not do it

[raven scarab]

does it matter what mk force sword i get?

[true lake]

I wouldn't say dead but the two new ones specialize a bit better

[lyric burrow]

But yeah if you have nothing better deflector works

Illisi or deimos is best

[royal granite]

i still use obscurus, i just think it's neat

[lyric burrow]

Illisi is better by a bit

[formal glade]

I've been seeing a lot of people talking about the dueling sword on psyker again; did the illisi/deimos get nerfed with the update or something?

[true lake]

illisi cleaves through hordes a bit more and it's warp charge lets you do a more powerful wide attack

deimos is single target high damage, really good assassin blade with same warp charge attack

[lyric burrow]

No they just buffed dueling swords

[true lake]

nah no nerfs, duelling sword just for a huge buff that let's you 2 shot crushers

[austere estuary]

illisi still a monster

[true lake]

and one shot mutants

[thorn cedar]

Finally playing Psyker. Wowee we are cracked af rn

[austere estuary]

we are indeed

[royal granite]

yeppers

[willow hazel]

The Slaughter nerf is a nerf to force swords

[austere estuary]

chad psyker hours

[formal glade]

Ooooh interesting. Which dueling sword is the best currently?

[raven scarab]

okay so what modifiers should i focus on illisi?

[willow hazel]

Mk4

[thorn cedar]

Also my last game was three Smite Psykers and I think my graphics card actually started sweating water.

[true lake]

slaughterer got slightly nerfed but it's still strong

[formal glade]

[true lake]

not sure what usual meta blessings are on illisi

I prefer my deimos, still same one from before update

[willow hazel]

Slaughter + Unstable/Deflector/Uncanny

[formal glade]

Whats the dump stat/ bis perks and blessings for the MK4 dueling then?

[willow hazel]

Uncanny + Shred. Flak + Maniac.

[formal glade]

Ty!

[true lake]

shred pairs well with uncanny

as long as you consistently hit weak spots

you can full on decimate almost everything with the thrust attacks

it's not the best at hordes though

[willow hazel]

Also worth noting that it's really easy to stack Perfect Timing sliding around with the sword. You don't need to hit anything to get the stacks

[dense grove]

this seems pretty good? Except maybe damage?

[true lake]

damage could be better

[formal glade]

Honestly with the update, i havent really found a need for my melee in big hordes, so a nice single target weapon sounds perfect currently

[dense grove]

yep, upgrade from my previous staff either way

[formal glade]

Void strike and the throwy dagger things just destroy hordes like they're butterrrr

[true lake]

I use my void strike for the annoying armored enemies like crushers

then my assail for usual horde stuff

[primal aurora]

Damage resistance bombers on curio works?

[true lake]

switch to slaughterer deimos to give my assail time to recharge

[wicked badge]

So a powersword for Big units maybe ?

You know with the charge attack

Does quite alot of damage

[formal glade]

What i'd really like is a nice solution for bosses like nurgal and stuff; I've noticed I've been struggling to contribute much to the big boss enemies but am not sure how to change that or if thats a psyker issue

I used to just brain burst and cope but bb feels horrible now compared to assail

[tough lake]

Does the Talent Psykinetics Aura stack per elite kill or does it have a cooldown?

[wicked badge]

Relatable

[raw token]

surge is pretty good at most bosses

[willow hazel]

Is it?

[formal glade]

I've been running only void strike so far; I really dont like the new surge sadly

[raw token]

it does decent damage on a full charge, and charges super fast

[willow hazel]

I have been running Surge and it is just ok vs bosses

[formal glade]

It feels great, but not quite my taste

[raw token]

yh it is just ok, which is great for a psyker

[willow hazel]

It's worse than old BB

[true lake]

I feel it's a nice change from what it was

still has some good uses

[willow hazel]

Agreed. The new surge is a lot of fun

[formal glade]

It's absolutely better than the old one in my experience as well, I just find how few enemies it hits now just feels a little off. All the other staves feel really nice when theres 50 enemies in your face, but new surge is very different from that. Which isn't bad- just feels weird

[nocturne badge]

idk man surge staff seems kinda scuffed now that it only hits two enemies

and it still generates a huge amount of peril

[raw token]

its good if you use the needles blitz cos you dont have to worry about hordes

[formal glade]

It does feel weird, but I cant deny that its a very nice turn your brain off and melt elites staff

And quelling feels incredibly easy with the new perks

[nocturne badge]

why not voidstrike then?

[royal granite]

we really need the vermintide staves

[nocturne badge]

more damage, more range, more horde clear, less peril

[formal glade]

Well void strike is good too yes, but you have to aim it. Surge just feels nice for turning your brain off and spamming charge attacks without thinking

[royal granite]

just to have some more variety

[teal needle]

Beam staff plz

[formal glade]

I'd just like a new staff in general at this point. Sad that we still just have the ones from launch

[hot tulip]

so

they finally buffed pskyer, one year later

[royal granite]

i think they probably put all hands on this skill tree rework though

now that this is out, we'll probably start getting new gear i reckon

[ornate hamlet]

ogryn first

Since they have poop selection

[formal glade]

Fingers crossed it keeps improving; it would be a shame if it goes back to basically never getting any interesting changes for 6+ months at a time

[ornate hamlet]

I did it boys, I got a pretty decent staff

[teal needle]

It's fat shark, they don't move fast

[teal needle]

Nice stick

[austere estuary]

now we just need faster casting on trauma by default

and imagine if surge works properly on trauma

[formal glade]

Oh and is there a better way to farm plasteel besides spamming t5- if that's even the best way to farm it

[plucky flax]

Damn first time playing assail and it's so chill.

Just left click.

[rapid juniper]

😂

[nocturne badge]

that's the best way

[formal glade]

Lmao it feels akin to games like diablo/path of exile where you can just build your entire character around pressing 1 button

[formal glade]

sadge, I see

[austere estuary]

been holding onto this forever for just in case revolvers ever get good

btw what are you all running on your curios?

atm I'm just running this x3

[viscid matrix]

im running full hp curios, currently 25% hp, 5% toughness and reducd gunner/sniper/toughnessregen

[formal glade]

i personally run hp+abilitity cooldown on mine

[viscid matrix]

currently working on getting full hp 26% and toughness regen

[austere estuary]

I was trying one 25% hp one, but with all these ways we have to fill toughness as a percentage it's tough to pull away from them

[viscid matrix]

we have only 100ish toughness, and 200+ health, health pool is kinda important

[formal glade]

I personally dont really value toughness because as soon as I take damage to my toughness- I immediately reevaluate the situation I'm currently in that I'm even taking damage

[raw token]

running all 4 toughness gaining perks and spamming assail makes you invincible for the duration of the spam

[formal glade]

Versus HP is more like your get out of jail free cards for mistakes

[viscid matrix]

thats true reguardless of your toughness, but hp matters when you get hit in melee

[formal glade]

Being able to eat one more pox explosion/sniper shot/bad situation is really valuable for me- while toughness wont buy me second chances in any of that stuff

[viscid matrix]

empowered muties also ignore your toughness

[primal aurora]

I run 1 wounds, 1 stamina, 1 toughness

[viscid matrix]

whats your hp and toughness at?

[primal aurora]

I don't remember

[viscid matrix]

welp with full 25% hp, 5% toughness, and 10% hp on tree, i sit at 278hp and 100 toughness

and it can go a little higher since 21% hp curios are possible now

[austere estuary]

looking at the tree, there's a fair whack of potential for large toughness dmg reduction I think..

[viscid matrix]

true, but there is so much you have to sacrifice to actually take all of those toughness reduction nodes

ohh and a lot you just cant get, cause you cant go back up

[wispy robin]

Hello siblings, help me pick the better purgatussy staff.

[viscid matrix]

tbh one on the left isnt bad, slightly less damage, with a quell speed boost, take them into the psykanium and see which quell speed you prefer

the damage differnce is very small

[true lake]

did you just call it a purgatussy

[austere estuary]

kinda funny

[plucky flax]

I run that curio x3.

[viscid matrix]

wait is that full toughness and toughness regen?

[austere estuary]

so 221 toughness with 35-58% toughness damage reduction

totally idiotic talent build though

[sour bison]

what do i change?

[viscid matrix]

hmm, but you have to take smite and shield to go that

[austere estuary]

yeah it's also not even got a keystone 😂

gotta catch all the toughness nodes!

[raw token]

damage to carapace enemies and precognition

[austere estuary]

oh wait can still get one

[spice veldt]

fyi each individual toughness DR node stacks multiplicativel with each other

[austere estuary]

so it's less huh

[spice veldt]

sadly

[sour bison]

precognition for what?

[true lake]

yeah sadly not additive

[austere estuary]

so that takes us to 31% reduction, or up to 48%

actually still pretty good

[raw token]

rending strike probably

[serene breach]

should i change uncanny strike to reposte?

[viscid matrix]

so probably better to stick to One with the Warp

[austere estuary]

31-48% reduction instead of 35-58 isn't a huge dip

[viscid matrix]

tbh try both, see what you prefer

[raw token]

i wouldnt

[naive imp]

I just started and I feel like I have my head on a swivel the entire time while playing assail.

I feel like once your team realizes that everything dies they just get super lazy. Haha

[plucky flax]

Aaay it's so good.

[viscid matrix]

😄

[austere estuary]

yeah going from 33 to 48 at the cost of all those nodes is a bit rough

[plucky flax]

Playing blaze trauma i had to calculate where the circle will be and stuff.

Assail is just left click.

[jaunty schooner]

That's a great mk4, uncanny is probably bis

[viscid matrix]

its still fun as hell to use tho

[naive imp]

I’m gonna be honest…I love assail but I feel like it wasn’t play tested.

It legit trivializes a LOT of the game.

[old aurora]

hey guys, what would you say is the second best blessing on trauma force staff after warp flurry?

[raw token]

the shield kinda does too

[viscid matrix]

its mainly cause the ammo recharges way to quickly

[silent chasm]

By Slaanesh’s unholy prince albert, we tankin’ now??

[viscid matrix]

blazing

[raw token]

rending one

[austere estuary]

I think we could probably do it better by going for block strength now that's also buffed

[silent chasm]

Send me the rest of this I wish to test the fuckwittery.

[next pier]

has anyone been able to verrify that Empathic Evasion actually procs the dodge requirment of weapon abuilities like Riposte??

[naive imp]

With the 30% perk I don’t think it’s possible to run out of them.

It does so much damage as well

[old aurora]

Rending "only" supports the team though... right?

[jaunty schooner]

Rending Shockwave, though you won't see the benefits personally

[raw token]

yeah which is not a bad thing

[viscid matrix]

damage is fine, its just the amount of ammo we have available lets us use them and only them

[silent chasm]

Yiu can if you spam spam spam it

[jaunty schooner]

Rending was adjusted to be much stronger now

[sharp obsidian]

Voidstrike is absolutely ridiculous at the moment, no way they are letting it stay like this

[old aurora]

I mean, true but it would be better if Fatshark brought in some blessings you can actually use 🙂

[viscid matrix]

i think you be in the wrong channel, i dont think any of us psykers use devils claw sword

[spice veldt]

rending% is a personal buff, and Brittleness is a debuff on enemies that apply rending% to incoming attacks

[naive imp]

Yea but then you need to quell. And but the time you get it back within reason you’re totally stocked up

[stable silo]

wait the devils claw sword is good now?

[raw token]

you can actually use it by applying it, rending is insane

[stable silo]

man i have been gone a while

[austere estuary]

you have 1 point to choose a keystone with knock yourself out

[lyric burrow]

Yeah its good

[dense grove]

not all psykers play assail 🙂

[silent chasm]

Nerf the devil claw damage all they want just let me keep my cleave and wide sweeps. I miss warpick bardingorrekson

[old aurora]

does it work on warp attacks?!

[silent chasm]

This is gonna spew chew thank you so much

[spark fog]

is this good? sitting in temp acquisitions

[austere estuary]

rending now adds 4% damage until you reach 100%, then 1% per 4% damage after that

[viscid matrix]

if you inspect it, you can see how those mods range from 0 - 100

the damage only applies to the hit from the staff, burn applies to all soulburn applied by the staff

[old aurora]

so it doesnt reduce armor anymore

[austere estuary]

so like if you normally did 80% vs carapace, adding 20% rending would take you to 100%, and adding 40% would take you to 105%

[sharp obsidian]

Meh save your bux unless you really need a purg

[naive imp]

Psykers don’t use weapons at all because of assail.

Idk. I’m only lvl 11 but I literally haven’t swung a weapon or shot anything since I unlocked it.

Even against bosses, you just dump shards and then quell. Repeat

[austere estuary]

so rending is always good

just more good when not at 100%

er, 100% damage against that given target type

[viscid matrix]

after 100% its like 1% per 4% rend or somthing like that now

[austere estuary]

yes

1 per 4 after 100

[ornate hamlet]

Shards do absolute booty damage against bosses

Use literally anything else against bosses

pls

[visual phoenix]

hi

[harsh urchin]

right is better, radius is the most important stat

[visual phoenix]

felt dumb, heres the gibraltar https://youtu.be/zyWkdNYHeBw

[dense grove]

I feel like psykers rely on assail too much now, just spamming assail in every situation is playing really inefficiently

[naive imp]

Is it though?…

[viscid matrix]

well we have a choice of assail or smite for somthing new after playing BB only for so long

[sharp obsidian]

BB is still the best choice for most builds imo

[dense grove]

I dont mean dont play assail at all, I mean for armored enemies or bosses, use voidstrike or surge

[viscid matrix]

agreed for any non assail build

[dense grove]

then youll help your team melt them faster

[old aurora]

its also super boring 😄

[dense grove]

agree

[vivid silo]

is there a way to shrink the talent tree?

[naive imp]

I agree as well. Haha

[austere estuary]

there;s a mod for it

[naive imp]

I’m planning on playing assail to level and then switch to smite

[old aurora]

Assail does have very nice audio feedback though

[austere estuary]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/214

[steel flame]

Well at least we have quell cancelling to speed it up (pressing r after every cast)

[naive imp]

Assail covers a multitude of sins (and people that don’t have a clue on how to play or are new)

[viscid matrix]

ive been using that, its amazing

40% of normal tree

[ornate hamlet]

I'm using Assail, bubble shield, and warp charges with a voidstrike staff.
Voidstrike for mostly everything cause orbs
Assail for dogs, ragers, or gunners that are spread too far apart to gather into a voidstrike.

[dense grove]

I mean I am also very new to the game, got my psyker to 30 just two days ago so take my opinions with a grain of salt. Its just my experience from my first 30 hours in the game that psykers overuse assail so much. There are so many better ways of playing psyker than just spamming assail

[sharp obsidian]

I run basically identical to you except I swap out Assail for BB

[dense grove]

Not using abilities and not using melee to block is just dumb

[viscid matrix]

its the easy and safe option, so a lot of people will use it

[naive imp]

I legitimately think you assail almost always except for a boss.

[spice veldt]

assail for stuff that isn't carapace/bulwarks/bosses

[vivid silo]

I really hope they leave void staff alone. I know they won't but man is it fun.

[naive imp]

Assail let’s you be in multiple places at once as well. You can stop two hordes by yourself at the same time

[ornate hamlet]

I'm gunna give psyker a break and try super support zealot

[harsh urchin]

go up difficulty lol

there's no reason to not use assail in lower difficulties since I'm assuming it just one shots everything

[snow coral]

Even at higher difficulties assail is the easy button

[naive imp]

I wish smite did damage.

[snow coral]

smite is good for area controll

[viscid matrix]

thats not its job, its cc

[fossil lagoon]

which is best duelling sword varient ? IV or V ?

[naive imp]

I’ve played up to the 2nd notch (whatever it’s called) and it melts everything.

[viscid matrix]

if smite had damage, it would be op as hell

[snow coral]

I'm running void dome smite and it's great. I don't top the leaderboards for kills but I keep the team alive

[dense grove]

Im playing on dif 5 whatever its called, on standards though

[snow coral]

I find more people want the kills and less want to support, so I'm in a good role

[viscid matrix]

damnation

[naive imp]

This is my issue with assail.

I played ogryn and had an absolute BLAST clearing hordes.

Then realized I could be in 2 places doing ogryn horde clear at the same time. Without risking getting hit.

[dense grove]

I basically play the same, just playing for team sup and survivability

[harsh urchin]

go up some more

[sharp obsidian]

All of them are pretty good, but V is my favorite

[harsh urchin]

and maybe click the button on the bottom left of mission select screen

[naive imp]

Does assail stop 1 shotting trash at the highest difficulty?

[viscid matrix]

no

[naive imp]

Lol

[harsh urchin]

no, but it stops one shotting everything else

so when a boss walks up you actually have to fight it

[dense grove]

right, and tbh damnation feels like a good dificulty right now, a bit tough here and there cause i still dont have all the mechanics or enemy types down but its so fun

[naive imp]

Then it still invalidates a LOT of the reason to have anything else.

[raven scarab]

are these blessings okay?

[harsh urchin]

not really lol

[foggy comet]

what should i rr on this? swap specialist dmg to unyielding?

[austere estuary]

slaughterer is great on illisi

[harsh urchin]

i mean you are making very bold statements for someone who has never played the game on damnation lol

[austere estuary]

riposte not so much

[harsh urchin]

the VS staff is much more broken

[naive imp]

ehhh. I guess. I’m too new to say for certain but just 1 psyker with assail so far seems like the game is too easy. I’ve played games with 4 and it’s hilarious

[sharp obsidian]

I think Flak hits more breakpoints but I'm not sure

[naive imp]

See comment ^

[austere estuary]

assail is really not that amazing compared to void

[harsh urchin]

as I said, it one shots everything on lower difficulty

[austere estuary]

void is completely on another level

[foggy comet]

i could replace carapace and specialist damage

[harsh urchin]

assail imo is in a pretty good spot on highest difficulty

[lyric burrow]

Assail is very strong but yeah its more insane on lower diff

[harsh urchin]

it feels strong, but has weaknesses

VS has no weaknesses

[naive imp]

Do you swap to void for a boss after you’ve cleared everything else out?

[sharp obsidian]

I'd keep Cara replace specialist with flak

[lyric burrow]

Yeah vs is like beyond old autopistol

[harsh urchin]

i fight bosses with melee lmao

cuz psyker boss damage sucks if you're not using a HH gun

[lyric burrow]

Void can stagger lock bosses though

[austere estuary]

I just can't see a reason to ever cast assail when I'm using void

[lyric burrow]

Easiest with BON

[foggy comet]

thinking mostly for my maelstrom runs, flak usually melts by existing

but that would be my go to

[austere estuary]

like why would I spend the peril and time on assail when void would be doing anything it can do far better

[dense grove]

oh really? is melee better than VS for bosses?

[harsh urchin]

more dps at least

vs will stagger the boss

[dense grove]

aight

[harsh urchin]

making it easier

[dense grove]

will have to try it out

[harsh urchin]

but a headhunter gun or melee is highest dps from my exp so far

dont throw magic missiles at the boss

it wont do any damage lmao

[lyric burrow]

Yeah HH is nutty rn

[sharp obsidian]

Haven't tested the new surge too much, only played a few games, this is mine

[dense grove]

yeah no i dont play assail

[harsh urchin]

i think assail is good

[dense grove]

Surge staff feels really good imo

[harsh urchin]

but all these people are playing on heresy and malice

who are calling it overpowered are a bit off

[lyric burrow]

Surge is good

[harsh urchin]

vs is waaaaay better

[lyric burrow]

Although void outdoes its job atm but that will probably change

[austere estuary]

tbh at heresy and especially at malice, there's so little hp on the mobs that many things feel overpowered

[full egret]

Assail is great at cleaning up, but it doesn’t do much single target damage lol. It does 100, of course it’s not gonna do much when that’s a single bullet

Vets whining about assail should maybe learn to shoot better

[austere estuary]

on my vet I have no problems with assail either

[foggy comet]

o thats nice, yea it nukes pretty hard, wondering if i take unyielding damage on it, if it can be an alternative to running BB, so i can run smite or assail alternatively

[austere estuary]

I still have a lot of work to do wiping out rooms of things with an MG XII

so I agree, if vet is complaining about assail, it's a them problem

[full egret]

I’ve been preferring the headhunters instead of my old mk12.

Faster firing speed with the one shot head taps still

[harsh urchin]

finesse guns are in a super insane state rn lol

[austere estuary]

I tried the headhunters, but that lack of near infinite clip and not having quite the punch per shot is like hmmm

[sharp obsidian]

It's definitely worth testing, if you can melt bulwarks with that it might actually be BIS at that point

[full egret]

Getting those headshots should always be rewarding

[harsh urchin]

one stat scales both weakspot + crit damage, and the damage calculation got changed so I think it's multiplicative

[austere estuary]

maybe it's cause my headhunter doesn't have any blessings

whereas my XII has the 90% crit weakspot thing

[full egret]

I believe headhunter and lashing have about the same clip side of 30 right?

[unique sand]

just curious is the unlimited lightning a bug?

[austere estuary]

yeah but las not using ammo on crit

makes clips last an eternity

and my other blessing is that weakspot hit giving like 20% crit up to 100%

on top of a pretty high base

[full egret]

Neat

[raw token]

yes, its not meant to reduce peril cost at all

[austere estuary]

so it takes a LOT of shots to actually get to the end of the clip

[unique sand]

ah welp better enjoy being palpatine while it lasts

[harsh urchin]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1x24y50K-9e0am/YdTxCXzAzpXv?invite=cr-MSxjOGosMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[austere estuary]

ahhh nice

that's way better than my headhunter does

[harsh urchin]

and then I asked for a boss that fought back

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1x29RbMRM8ctmA/EdXAWxGKpxsb?invite=cr-MSw5TDIsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[austere estuary]

guess I really gotta get the specs on it

lmao the ragdoll

perfect ending

[raw token]

blud what is this build

full right side?

[harsh urchin]

it's mostly the gun

i dont think you need any tree support for it

tl;dr, the finesse stat now scales both weakspot damage and crit damage

[raw token]

ohhhhh

[austere estuary]

that's the vraks headhunter with the burst fire right

[harsh urchin]

so if you get crit headshots the enemy will die

[still hearth]

I have been infected

I'm running Smite

[harsh urchin]

uhh i think it's the other one, but let me ping @viral solstice

it's his video

[patent steeple]

I run smite with EP and shield in my voidstrike build...

[lyric burrow]

I thought that clip used scriers

For some reason

[patent steeple]

its actually very comical how I can wipe out a horde with EP smite alone.

[raw token]

it did

[lyric burrow]

Oh i see he procced it a little ways in

Nvm

[viral solstice]

yep vraks 3 w/ headhunter deadly accurate

[harsh urchin]

deadly accurate is just 2x multiplier right?

did they change how regular weakspot damage and crit damage calculated?

like if i have 10% crit damage, does that apply now to everything or still only the crit part of the damage

[raw token]

why vraks 3?

[austere estuary]

it's burst fire

and pretty accurate burst fire

vraks 7 is semi auto, and the other headhunter is burst but kinda all over the shop

[spice veldt]

and crits roll for each burst

rather than for each individual shot

[austere estuary]

gonna try out something vaguely silly

though need to change that unarmoured

[raw token]

so no other gun is better for crit headshots?

[austere estuary]

welllll

an MG XII will one shot more in my experience, but it might be down to the blessings I use

[viscid matrix]

Vrak or the Columnus are both pretty good

[austere estuary]

we have so many options now

[viscid matrix]

now if only we could have DD mark enemies properly 😄

its faulty marking where it bounces to multiple enemies in a room, and loosing entire buff in 15s are the reasons its bad 😄

getting 30s node is only way to make it work

[gray kelp]

damn wtf xbox players are getting 9300 aquillas for free apparently lol

[viscid matrix]

well thats not fair 😄

[gray kelp]

ill just cope and throw on my beta helmet

[raw token]

columnus doesnt have crit blessings though does it?

[snow scaffold]

You have to buy the launch bundle which is $40

[azure rapids]

anyone needs help with penaces or wants to play with a tank ogryn? I like psykers

[fading skiff]

any advise on how to get Warp Battery easy? Im using shards atm

[keen harbor]

which one is that?

[fading skiff]

maintain warp enegery for 5 min

[keen harbor]

use a staff, don't quell unless you have to?

[snow scaffold]

Probably use brain burst and Surge staff

[keen harbor]

probably helps if you play shock troopers or hi-int modifier, because you'll have something to target constantly

[fading skiff]

Yeah but how to get a warp stack with staff?

[snow coral]

warp stacks are harder now, go into the lower left tree and tae the 4% on friendly kills

never ult to drop them

[heady nest]

uh does anyone else have an unlocalized psykinetics wrath?

[snow scaffold]

You have to kill elites usually to get warp charges

[spark fog]

yes

[heady nest]

is this a bug or a me issue?

[keen harbor]

bug

some descriptions aren't showing up correctly

[snow coral]

before the update you could get warp charges by BB anything, now it's just elites/sepcials

[keen harbor]

they will have to tweak those penances in a future update, for sure

[pale pilot]

for shards, do you feel enhanced psionics or deny fate is a better keystone?

[heady nest]

also is the base psykinetics wrath supposed to quell perils does that only apply to the upgraded version?

[keen harbor]

EP
DF isn't popular on anything right now

[pale pilot]

sounds about right. i do not kill marked duders fast enough to really maintain the stacks. i'll see if i can swing it next i log in

[harsh urchin]

It also doesnt mark trash

[keen harbor]

you really can't go wrong with EP or Warp on any build

[dense grove]

Warp on assail is p good

[austere estuary]

lmao with void I just managed to do more overkill than actual kill

[pale pilot]

wait, doesn't mark trash, requires you to kill them yourself, and what, the stacks all go away at once? DF is definitely not for me

[austere estuary]

yeah DF is a bit rough atm with how sparingly you can end up with marks at all

sometimes I'll go a long stretch with nothing being marked

[pale pilot]

also any decent soulblaze talent build to go with my flamestaff enjoyment or is that just "Stick to the left path"

[keen harbor]

It's pretty much stick left

[slow raven]

even with the 30 second talent, DF drops off constantly since nothing gets marked

and when soemthing gets the rare mark someone will probably steal the kill and deny you the extension

[keen harbor]

Like maybe Warp Rider in the bottom middle is worth it with flame staff

[slow raven]

seems like it only works if you play stupidly and run ahead of everyone else

nah warp rider only gives a 8% buff rn

it's bugged

[keen harbor]

What is not bugged on psyker?

[pale pilot]

righto so DF ate the tenuous stack lunch.

what's warp charge's gimmick nowadays?

[dense grove]

"X on psyker is pretty good right now! - Yes, its bugged!" - Psykers discussing anything after the update

[keen harbor]

warp charge will do 75% refund of bubble shield

[viscid matrix]

only for the tings that are actualy broken 😄

the warp charges refund letting us drop 5 shields in 10 seconds is absurd

[keen harbor]

Do you want to deploy more shields than the 2x walls? Well take bubble and warp charges

[dense grove]

Yes, its pretty 50/50 for "x is broken good" and "X is broken"

[viscid matrix]

the only thing not broken is scriers, and we dont use it much cause playing with warp attacks and staves 😄

[still hearth]

You can run the left side with warp charges too, but you can't run double walls then

[keen harbor]

I haven't even tried scrier yet...

[fluid terrace]

playing darktide like elden ring

[viscid matrix]

Scriers Gaze with a gunker and using DD keystone would be amazing if keystone wasnt broken bad

[fluid knot]

Idk if its harder tbh, its just "kill them" not kill them with a warp attack anymore

Kinda easier in a way

[fresh reef]

this thing is really stupid

[slow raven]

scriers is bugged too, although afaik it's only bugged with warp siphon, you dont get the 7.5% cdr per warp charge consumed

[still hearth]

It also sucks that it doesn't got on CD while its up

[slow raven]

yes

[viscid matrix]

yeh i had forgotten that

[keen harbor]

And then most psyker melee weapons are already infinite dodge

[viscid matrix]

cause scriers gaze doesnt go on cooldown when you use it, it gets disabled

[fluid terrace]

my brain is hardwired to screaming when im at high peril that now when i get to like 80 peril i put my sheild down on accident

[pale pilot]

like it doesn't work or what's going on with it?

[fresh reef]

it disgustingly good

[pale pilot]

aaah

[viscid matrix]

practice edging at 90-100% constantly for those sweet sweet buffs

[fluid terrace]

also speaking of, the sheild targeting before you place it (atleast with the dome version) is really bad and unclear

[vague sand]

Psykers are in a great spot lets let them fix the bug before we talk about balancing cause fatshark tends to overract sometimes.

[austere estuary]

great thing is how easy to do this is with the insane peril down we have, one tick is huge

[pale pilot]

considering how much i like using my staves to ignore ammo economy, scriers gaze is a big miss to me.

[fluid terrace]

@fluid knot can attest like two or three times i placed my sheild in the floor or under a bridge

[pale pilot]

i do seriously like that smite autovents you at 100% so you don't die

[fluid terrace]

yes

[fluid knot]

Dodgy spawns ye, not ideal

Idk why that happens, guess you was placing it on seams in the geometery or summat

[still hearth]

Also I've realized that the dome isn't just a wall outside

It just blocks anything inside of the dome

[viscid matrix]

yep

[fresh reef]

@pale pilot behold

[pale pilot]

yeah a dome around a beast of nurgle had him puking to no effect

[fluid knot]

High skill gameplay, isolate a reaper an drop a bubble on it

[still hearth]

That's really crazy

[still hearth]

Looks normal to me

[viscid matrix]

guesss that guarenteed dodge duration doesnt work

[still hearth]

It works until they run out of big dodges

[fluid knot]

Lol when the shield went down

[fluid terrace]

i've discovered it blocks alot of things you'd think would go through it

[fluid knot]

Insta-ded

[fluid terrace]

all kinds of ground hazards are blocked. like fire grenades!

[fresh reef]

I was using it to reset my dodges but the shield stops working before the vfx dissipates

then just sent anyway cuz funny

[fluid knot]

Ahhhhh

Ye pretty cool tech tbh

Might invest in that if i can find the room

[fresh reef]

right so, had a thought

a good amount of those gunners are suppressed

the sheer speed at which I just fucking collapsed

[wicked badge]

Yeah no shit

[pale pilot]

but yeah i have to admit that i've accidentally blown myself up with shards at least twice because i wasn't paying attention to my perils and forgot i don't have the scream to save myself

[wicked badge]

🗿

[olive ember]

see thats what we call a skill issue

shouldve just dodge slide out of there

[fresh reef]

Assail also has a super weird amount of endlag whenever you toss em out

fucks with my quell tapping muscle memory

[olive ember]

also can reapers be suppressed

[calm lotus]

could someone give me a quick rundown on what the force swords actually do

i have minimal psyker experience

[fresh reef]

yes

funny dueling sword stunlock in there as well just becuase

[pale pilot]

yeah i basically fell into a rythm of two or three shards then quelling for two or three seconds or something of the sort

it still doesn't keep up sometimes but meh.

[limber heath]

you cast the special and it builds some peril and empowers your weapon. deimos gives you a stabby attack that i believe CCs a number of enemies, although i haven't used much deimos. illisi improves horde clear. obscurus i don't think anyone uses

[buoyant hazel]

I've got builds with both. For warp siphon I only run that with smite

[calm lotus]

alright ty

only really just now starting to raise a psyker

also man that sure is a difference

[royal granite]

i use obscurus

it's fine

[autumn smelt]

If you want to be optimal and are good with peril management, low peril resist on swords can be pretty good

So many buffs trigger from high peril

[sinful cave]

High peril do the funny, brain hurt but so they will hurt too

[autumn smelt]

Damage from nodes, power from blessings, toughness resist from nodes

[pale pilot]

the barbed tip force sword's gimmick i think is it has more thrusting in its attack strings but also has like decent base stats for a force sword, and i think it's special is just a bigger damage charge up compared to the basic force sword

[calm lotus]

rn that would probably just result in me killing myself

[spice veldt]

obscurus and deimos have the same special attack in stats and functionality

[pale pilot]

the other two force swords have lower base damage stats compared to other mundane weapons. (though all three of them have infinite dodge)

[autumn smelt]

Ideally you'd want to be at high peril in melee, but it's harder to do that with the deimos wheb fighting multiple tatgets so you want as much as you can get for them
On illisi you can just jerk yourself off repeatedly, and you don't get stick in place wheb using it, so it's perfectly fine without low peril resist

[fluid knot]

Illisi can't poke muties eyes out tho

[autumn smelt]

True

[fluid knot]

Which is reason enough for me to not use it tbh

[uncut hamlet]

yea but it can chop muties in half

[autumn smelt]

It has a faster kill time after the dodge though if you spam charged lights

[uncut hamlet]

and other big guys

[autumn smelt]

But deimos can kill faster if you are good with stabbing him as he's charging you

All personal preference

[pale pilot]

yeah illisi is the crowd control force sword. its force chargeup is basically the default power sword's power up

[fluid knot]

Idk man, i personally find Illisi a bit problematic for balance, its basically pre-(original) nerf PSword with a much faster activation

[pale pilot]

but only like one swing

[autumn smelt]

With no way to have more than 1 charged swing per charge, and had an actual cost to charging it

[fluid knot]

That doesnt balance it tho

[uncut hamlet]

its closer to current, nerfed PS than prenerf

[autumn smelt]

Cost is negligible, but you still have to still know it's there

Oh I'm not saying it's bad
It's very very good

[fluid terrace]

zapzap

[fluid knot]

Its too good yeah

It is basically just PSword, but for Psyker

[sterile saddle]

anyone know why my loadout has an ! in it?

[pale pilot]

also i find myself needing to put the perils block talent on any build i have because i need it

[fluid knot]

If was gonna nerf two things in this coming patch, it would be Voidstrike + Illisi

[autumn smelt]

Assail would be nerfed before illisi tbh

[fluid knot]

Like it will be yes

[autumn smelt]

Illisi is not as overtuned by comparison

[fluid knot]

Despite one of those things having downsides and the other not doing

[uncut hamlet]

tbh in the game there are very few, if any, weapons you cant be impactful on a team with. i would rather focus on whats cool and fun to use over having absolute balance

[fluid knot]

I would say its actually worse if im honest, neither of them are balanced, but Illisi has literally no downside

[pale pilot]

how do you all feel about EP giving brainrupture infinite time to charge and hold a charge, and smite unlimited power until something knocks you out of the animation?

[autumn smelt]

I mean you said you couldn't stab muties, which is actually a huge reason im using duel swords rn

[past brook]

I swear to god, psykers with smite have tickled more daemonhosts than I have fingers and toes now
so many just mindlessly blast everything, and then inevitably get us all killed

[fluid knot]

Unbalanced shit means easy game, easy game means boring game, boring game means no players

[uncut hamlet]

extremely unbalanced yea, but youre picking at the illsi which is stronger than the others but not blatantly overpowred rather than smth like assail which is far too good rn

[lyric sapphire]

just had a round where I couldn't fight a monster because my team wouldn't leave the area around a host

[fluid knot]

No, but its not weak against maniacs, being able to stab muties is a gimmick if anything, its not like Illisi struggles

[autumn smelt]

I mean
I've always had a fun time with illisi since it's not game breaking, just really good

[pale pilot]

i feel the ep+smite combo typifys psyker pretty well. PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER right up until someone hits you with something pointy and then it's panic and damage control

[uncut hamlet]

i still use deimos when i feel like it, but illsi just is more fun to use for me since im not stuck in animation. i dont think its so strong it makes the game boring lol

[fluid knot]

Again, Assail has weaknesses, its not balanced by any means, but its piss poor against Maulers and Ogryns an you're deadweight vs bosses

[uncut hamlet]

assail is much stronger than illsi is. I really think youre overblowing how powerful that sword is

[uncut hamlet]

thats like saying illsi is balanced because it does piss poor against snipers

[fluid knot]

If you can do literally every enemy with one weapon, which you can with Illisi, that is by definition broken

[uncut hamlet]

is there a perk to throw your sword lol

[fluid knot]

No, instead you get deflector and peril block skill and there ya go

Just walk up an cut its head off

[uncut hamlet]

okay just dodge the mauler melees with assail

there you go

[fluid knot]

But thats an obtuse example

[uncut hamlet]

it is

your justifications arent great

[fluid knot]

If the sniper is on the other end of the sword, it dies, you're not killing a Mauler with Assail easily

[uncut hamlet]

i think its a personal dislike rather than an objective "its far too powerful"

no one is arguing that illsi isnt strong

but its not gamebreaking like you seem to think

id much rather just trauma an ogryn rather than illsi it

[fluid knot]

Do-all weapons are literally gamebreaking in an of themselves, see; Voidstrike in this current patch

[latent stump]

i think the illisi is pretty weak against mutants

[regal surge]

Hey how do I find people for private games?

[uncut hamlet]

you can run through a map with nothing but voidstrike. try the same with illsi and youre dead weight

[fluid knot]

Join strike team VC's, people will drop in

[fluid knot]

Only if you're giga-shiddd

[viscid matrix]

nah, if you are playing frontline psyker, your job is to force enemies away from allies

[uncut hamlet]

just play zealot then man 💀

you on the class just for the weapon type?

[fluid knot]

Where did you pull that from?

[brisk mortar]

oi spark eads, genuine question from a long time ogryn player... how do you "play" psyker, feel so squishy and out of my element i'd actually love to learn

[regal surge]

I’m on Xbox

[viscid matrix]

frontline psyker is very dooable, just need to take venting shriek to knock everything away, and have deflector on your force sword

[brisk mortar]

specially with the overhaul, im even more confused how to build psykers XD

[autumn smelt]

Mobility and situational awareness is key

[fluid knot]

Stay mobile, dont try to facetank nothin, keep your eyes out for specials that could pose a problem for you an the team that others arent looking at

[royal granite]

dodge a lot, walk behind the boxes that are now tall enough to give you cover

[brisk mortar]

Now tall enough?

OH right..ogryn XD

[royal granite]

as opposed to when you're an ogryn yeah

[brisk mortar]

TOUCHE HAHA

[viscid matrix]

Pysker is a very versatile class, changing builds changes the playstyle massivly

[brisk mortar]

oh i can feel the versatility it's just almost like i can go anywhere on the tree i don't wanna spread too thing
but what i wanna do, is make a good "support" psyker with smite and walls, anyone got a good path for that or just "stick to the middle"

[heady nest]

isnt there a discord app on xbox?

[viscid matrix]

smite and shield makes you a cc and support psyker

Assail/venting are both good for horde clearing

BR is a good for elite killing

Scriers Gaze lets you empower Guns and melee so you can frontline

[brisk mortar]

...okay atleat im smart enough to see the trees and the artwork above them and think "yeah this is what i wanna equip"
i made a gunpsyker with a las pistol but i probably will grab the recon las desptie the artwork lookin so gud

[viscid matrix]

can swap venting for shield

[heady minnow]

[fluid knot]

Invest into Venting Shriek with the soulblaze talents, Take smite, then take warp charges, kill specials with Surge or melee when its practical to do so, the burn will help Smite actually kill things, though its not fantastic

[brisk mortar]

also SCIER THATS THE NAME
Sykenetic/Seer/scrier, i was wondering what the third "subclass" was called

[fluid knot]

Heh, we have a very similar setup

[brisk mortar]

...oh wow that advice and the pic is perfect thanks alot spark 'eads

[viscid matrix]

its very versatile, and you can swap for any blitz/ability/kjeystone and it will work

[brisk mortar]

side note from a psyker persepctive is the lasgun actually good for us or would you rather just "meh recon lasgun is better"

scuse me, laspistol

[fluid knot]

Revolver/Laspistol

[brisk mortar]

yeah

[fluid knot]

They're the best options

MGXII is pretty stronk ofc, but MGXII is strong on Zealot too because its kinda cracked

[viscid matrix]

if i use revolver, im taking Illisi for horde clearing, and then swaping between smite or assail depending on what another psyker uses

[brisk mortar]

huh, figure the tan recon would be loved because of it's recoil and er....that weakspots give critchance blessing

[flat moat]

what are some good perks for a flame staff build?

[brisk mortar]

but at the same time, seeing a psyker with any gun bigger than a handgun just...looks weird XD

[flat moat]

coming back to the new update and seeing all the changes is suprising

[viscid matrix]

that image i posted earlier is a purga build lol, but it can be used with any staff
and swapping smite for BR can sometimes be worth it

[flat moat]

this one?

[viscid matrix]

yep

[fluid knot]

But ofc if you're playing Palpatine build the only correct staff is Surge

(which is also wayyy better this patch)

[viscid matrix]

agreed, surge is so much better for killing priority close targets

[raw token]

did they up the drop rate of really good weapons?

[brisk mortar]

oh yeah surge staff all da wey

[raw token]

seems like i get so many 530+ now

[viscid matrix]

nah seems about the same to me

[autumn smelt]

A good crit vraks4 with scriers can have almost 100% crit chance and damage, and can kill a plague ogryn in 1 mag with all headshots

[brisk mortar]

haven't figured out the best sword for surge staff...wanna say illisi but that,...works for anything

[flat moat]

why the bio lighting if you dont mind me asking

[brisk mortar]

maybe the base one? or just thesaber

[raw token]

dont think its based on the staff most of the time, more just your build as a whol;e

[viscid matrix]

CC for when crushers and maulers are in your face

[brisk mortar]

yeah smite's cc is INSANE

even i've witnessed that good lord, i think the only things it wont stop is bosses

[fluid knot]

If you're doing pugs Smite really is the difference between completing the run or wiping given the state of pugs at the moment

[brisk mortar]

...ohj right xbex

[fluid knot]

They'er not in A.Maelstrom yet, but there are a lot of returning players tryina do it

[viscid matrix]

psykers are a generalist class, they are able to be multiple roles in a mission, wheras other classes tend to focus on 1 role like Zealot being frontline or horde clear depending on build

psykers can swap between single target damage and horde clearing just be swapping weapon if they have the right setup

[fluid knot]

Dont think ive seen a single xboxer in that mode yet

[full bane]

Was bored and made this, what do y’all think?

[uncut hamlet]

i was gonna make a new vet build

i love vets drip

[royal granite]

i think you should give it to the vets

[uncut hamlet]

^^

[autumn smelt]

I've had a game saved where the veteran used his ult to pick up three people at once

[royal granite]

been seeing a lot of vets in the krieg uniform

[full bane]

I did they took it seriously lol

[uncut hamlet]

seriously how

[fluid knot]

Zealot is also a generalist class tbh

[full bane]

Vets are very whiny rn

[uncut hamlet]

the old really annoying penance set looks good

[olive ember]

you realize that is literally meta psyker gameplay pre patch right

use illisi as much as possible

[royal granite]

it's fine

[olive ember]

use staff only as utility

[uncut hamlet]

no because who cares about meta, and i never saw it tbh

[plucky flax]

You're crazy illisi is one of the stronger weapon against muties.

[olive ember]

I'm ngl I used laspistol rn and it felt weak as shit kekw

[uncut hamlet]

ppl used illsi but almost every psyker i saw used their staff or other stuff more

[fluid knot]

Literally 90% of people that come into this discord.

[autumn smelt]

Where is the fun in that

[olive ember]

thats because most psykers don't know how to engage yeah

[latent stump]

deimos is significantly better for mutants, really dont even need to charge the special on it

illisi can still get the job done but not as fast

[viscid matrix]

i think a bunch of xbox players were givin aquilla to be able to strait up buy a krieg set

[latent stump]

and sometimes not without a teammate getting smashed a bit

[royal granite]

i wonder what we're getting

[olive ember]

Illisi can still like 2 shot mutants

deimos is for the funny one taps illisi was the strongest melee in the game

[autumn smelt]

Wdym

[plucky flax]

That's me I barely touch my sword.

[olive ember]

thought this was established but eh

[uncut hamlet]

nah thats cap, esp back when i was more active here and psykeritself was not meta lmao

[full bane]

I can see why you’d think that but it’s actually really damn solid

[calm lotus]

so when do you want to use the assail right click

[uncut hamlet]

you see all the ppl who wanna minmax because thats who you are

[fluid knot]

There is a difference between a class being the strongest, and meta builds...

[olive ember]

I mean its probably me cuz ik laspistol is about the headshots but like

[limber heath]

specials that are far away.. or just enemies that are far away in general.

[autumn smelt]

Snipers only

[calm lotus]

figures

[olive ember]

i bring it for the funny quick pull and spray into target

[full bane]

And crits don’t forget crits

[olive ember]

basically I should be using the autopistol

but I don't wanna use autopistol

[fluid knot]

Well you'd be wrong then, because i pretty much only played off-meta stuff for the last ten months

[calm lotus]

well gonna try out the dueling sword

[fluid knot]

But nice of you to make assumptions when you've likely barely played before this update

[cold oasis]

here, have this "Beta Cucks" helmets

[plucky flax]

Strongest class right now with this broken patch imo ogryn. Maybe doesn't do as much damage as psyker but so tanky and can absolutely carry a bad situation with the taunt and the hard as a truck heavies spam.

[uncut hamlet]

psyker right after release was horrendously, incredibly weak. simply using it was aleady way off meta

[cold oasis]

Assail Psyker

It's by far the most broken shit

[uncut hamlet]

you care way too much about allat then man, do whats fun

[cold oasis]

bar none

[olive ember]

I mean we play offmeta shit to spice things up but when the game was half dead for the past half year people end up talking about meta one way or another

[cold oasis]

After that probably Relic Zealot

[royal granite]

i think you are inferring a lot from that symbol which was not intended

[uncut hamlet]

yea whens theres nothing to talk about definitely

[olive ember]

@cold oasis tell me you haven't seen new ogryn gameplay without telling me you haven't seen new ogryn playing

[fluid knot]

People often also tend towards talking a lot of crap, as is evidenced by this conversation

[gray kelp]

does BB count as finesse damage? was thinking of testing bb with scrier's gaze

[plucky flax]

I already meme with loner aura on zealot. People hate it. :<

[uncut hamlet]

theres more interesting stuff rn to discuss than whether or not illsi ir broken

[cold oasis]

I mean, the new heavy attack is absolutely bonkers, but ogryn has the same problem as before: a room full of gunner and you can't do shit

[fluid knot]

Unironically, that is a goated skill

[olive ember]

dear god a loner lol

[plucky flax]

I know it's so op.

People just can't survive solo to utilise that aura.

[fluid knot]

We've not been discussing that for a while now matey, keep up

[uncut hamlet]

its an example, no need to be condescending yea? Its a video game discord

[royal granite]

i don't like the stabby moveset on the barbed sword, the barb itself also looks ridiculous, it would make the sword worse for stabbing, since the thing would just immediately get stuck

[cold oasis]

? I'm lost here

[plucky flax]

Loner + momentum keystone be like see ya bitches I'm sprinting away

[fluid knot]

It do be like that, but hell, being able to peel off the group an deal with stuff a ways away alone is so fuckin solid, an ye Momentum keystone all the way

[autumn smelt]

The loner aura should also keep your teammates within coherency of you while you are away as well

[fluid knot]

Super fun build

[uncut hamlet]

zealots ive seen run so fast now it looks fun asf

[olive ember]

I mean it is quite literally B for Beta, but honestly people have been meming about having a giant fucking Beta on your forehead since it was released

btw @cold oasis in case you were wondering who is the true OP class

https://streamable.com/8m5o4g

[fluid knot]

Then stop shoehorning yourself into topics you're not experienced enough to pass judgment on an then telling people they're wrong because you've played the game another ten hours

[plucky flax]

Yeah zealot does big damage this patch too. Maybe just slightly behind the broken voidstrike.

[dense grove]

What is the highest base weapon rating?

[plucky flax]

And so fast.

[fluid knot]

Quite a lot behind in all honesty

Its certainly v good damages tho

[cold oasis]

That you can do with one or two Voidstaff shots :v Again, i'm talkin about a room not a corridor :v

[fluid knot]

Catachan swords is awesome this patch

[royal granite]

the beta helmet was given out to people for playing in the beta

[static agate]

why?

[olive ember]

Voidstaff can kill maybe one bulwark at a time

ripper just deletes them all

tho voidstrike is broke as well

as is zealot

[fluid knot]

Huge buffs, an loads of finesse damage on the parry

[plucky flax]

680k in 34 mins seems solid damage output to me.

[fluid knot]

Really good now

[olive ember]

basically every fucking class is overtuned except like

vet

[fluid knot]

Aye, but you're like well above the average

[royal granite]

vet is still quite good

[cold oasis]

Again, i'm not saying that the damage you can output it's not insane, what i'm saying is that Ogryn in a room where there are 4-6 gunners spread out over long range

Just stands there behind a wall hoping to christ anybody else kills them

[plucky flax]

Loner plasteels picking strat.

[viscid matrix]

Vet were overtuned since launch 😄

[olive ember]

do you run stealth atleast

[plucky flax]

No I run chastise.

[olive ember]

yeah and now they are sad that they aren't the most OP class

[olive ember]

you fucking disgust me

not a true shade kerillian main

[fluid knot]

Vent purge an ranged scabs on the board, lets fuckin gooooo 😄

[plucky flax]

Chatise 10s of attack speed is way too strong.

[uncut hamlet]

your responses say a lot about your personality honestly. the absolute certainty that everything you say is right, and the need to look down on whoever disagrees. if a discussion isnt to your liking just dont talk lol

[fluid knot]

Eyyyy

[viscid matrix]

what caused that instant kill on demonhost by the zealot?

[fluid knot]

Im sure they do, keep flapping them arsecheeks buddy

[uncut hamlet]

mine isnt levelled as much yet ill need to try it how. hows TH this patch?

[magic whale]

Did the zealot bonk it with a power hammer?

[plucky flax]

I don't play hammer I heard it got buffed. It's too slow for my playstyle.

[autumn smelt]

Yup
Auric maelstrom btw

[uncut hamlet]

your friends probably say this behind your back

[faint sigil]

which dueling sword is better

[plucky flax]

Tbh I played waystalker and handmaiden more than shade in vt2.

Handmaiden bleed dash op.

[royal granite]

psyker channel isn't the place for a petty little argument like this i think
if someone behaves in a way that is so objectionable to you that you find yourself wanting to shout at them, just block them instead, it's a lot healthier

[spice veldt]

mk4, since it has the best single-target because of its cracked heavies

[uncut hamlet]

youre right thats the better way to handle it. I simply did not see the need for their behaviour over a difference in opinion

[plucky flax]

Wasted about 7k plasteels haven't crafted a good mk4 yet.

[uncut hamlet]

i hope they get the help they need

[uncut hamlet]

mood

[plucky flax]

So I'm still using mk5. It's still good anyway just slightly lower damage than 4 but with a lot more dodge range.

[sterile saddle]

Anyone know what these ! marks are for?

[spice veldt]

cleave damage only affects unarmoured and infested for some reason (probably because Penetration shares flak adm), so it'll be fine to run with duellies that have their cleave damage dumped if you've got any

[autumn smelt]

No, you don't understand,

[uncut hamlet]

whys there a ! on his sword though ive never seen that

[faint sigil]

ignore that

idk

[sterile saddle]

.> I'll just ignore it i guess

its ok.. my OCD wont drive me literally insane

[uncut hamlet]

are you still able to go into games with it

[faint sigil]

no i meant you should ignore my post

[sterile saddle]

yes

[safe meteor]

What keystone is good with bio-lighting?

[still hearth]

None

[uncut hamlet]

middle one lets you channel it endlessly i think

[still hearth]

Run without the keystones

The middle one is bugged and not super useful anyway

Warp Charges is better imo.

[royal granite]

i think this game needs to have more strange little artifacts that you can hold in your hands

[still hearth]

You can hold things indefinitely if you really have to even without it

[royal granite]

tomes and grims? fantastic, the new little crystals? love them

[uncut hamlet]

ofc it is

[royal granite]

but smite and burst should also have odd little trinkets that you can hold in your hands

[hot epoch]

Whats that spicy palpatine build i see people using?

[uncut hamlet]

when is psyker not bugged after patch

[hot epoch]

:3

[sterile saddle]

i'm struggling with EP and BB

[strange relic]

Has anyone found a good melee weapon / talent build combo that uses scrier's?

[sterile saddle]

its good.. but its also not good.

[still hearth]

It's mediocre, yes.

[uncut hamlet]

more secondary objectives would be cool too, or even just collectables throughout the map

[royal granite]

yeah, hard agree there

[sterile saddle]

If u go warp charges and shield u can BB competitively and get unlimited shields..

but BB EP gets faster and a bit more dmg

[royal granite]

in fact i think literally every mission should have scriptures at least

[still hearth]

Assail is just better than BB most of the time

Is the biggest issue

[uncut hamlet]

^^^ i agree definitely

[still hearth]

In the time you BB the Assail person has dumped 6 shards into 5 different elites

[uncut hamlet]

i was talkinga bout this with someone yesterday, the reload is way too fast rn

and maybe a small reduction in max ammo too

[royal granite]

brain burst does what assailn't

[sterile saddle]

yeah but BB lets u pinpoint and u can snatch people behind cover

[still hearth]

You can do that with assail too

And anything that blocks assail LOS

[spice veldt]

that advantage is fairly minimal

[still hearth]

Blocks BB LOS

[sterile saddle]

u can turn around with BB

and still hit people

u dont have to look at them

[raw token]

idk if its the reload or just the 30% buff talent point

[royal granite]

real talk BB is a lot better for snatching targets from around cover

[uncut hamlet]

biggest threats you need to bb are snipers and trappers, and assail can do that. others like ragers or gunners just trip on air when assail is there

[strange relic]

BB just takes too long to cast

[uncut hamlet]

an increase in reload speed would affect the 30% buff too

[spice veldt]

it's a nice advantage, but you can also achieve a similar effect with assail

if the area is getting denied by fire, then sure

[still hearth]

I've never played with Assail and thought "man, having BB would've been nice rn"

[uncut hamlet]

it is definitely, its just that ive found assail to be better in more situations

[spice veldt]

but against ranged, the aim assist of assail allows you to just spam dodges without worrying about throwing your aim off

[uncut hamlet]

and it also doesnt lock you for 2 seconds so its more fun imo

[still hearth]

But any time I play BB I go "man I wish I used assail"

[royal granite]

the fact that you have to stand there and gormlessly look at whatever you're trying to assail is a definite negative

[raw token]

i know but i feel like its only with the 30% it becomes stupid, reducing the regular reload would feel incredibly slow wouldnt it

[faint sigil]

gormlessly

[rose dagger]

assail is 🧀

[faint sigil]

i learned a new vocab word for the day

[spice veldt]

you can always run around and dodge to your destination, and there's a bit of a lingering lock-on after looking away

[uncut hamlet]

could be yea, i actually havent played with the regular reload yet. a nerf in that perk itself could be the solution instead, or a mixture

[royal granite]

gormless is a classic

[uncut hamlet]

its so fun though

[royal granite]

spice up your insults by adding gormless

[still hearth]

I am definitely getting a bit worn out on Assail

[raw token]

thats what my dad calls me

[faint sigil]

im a feckless main

[atomic zephyr]

I wonder if i should swap riposte or rampGe into the mk4. Currently running shred and uncanny

[still hearth]

Its really effective and it does have enough quirks to be fun to use

But its so frustrating to play with

[rose dagger]

spammable homing projectile not my idea of fun

[hearty dagger]

Gentlemen

[plucky flax]

No keep shred uncanny.

[royal granite]

imagine having neither feck nor gorm

[uncut hamlet]

satisfying might have been a better word to use

seeing them flying around and shooting through heads

[plucky flax]

You don't really clear horde with duelling sword. Just use assail. Xd

[rose dagger]

or staff

[uncut hamlet]

what does everything think of the trauma buff

im really liking it

[viscid matrix]

its good, but trauma playstyle is ass

[uncut hamlet]

i dont have to explode smth 5 times for my giblets now

[royal granite]

seems neat, wish it did full damage on the edge of the aoe though

[uncut hamlet]

how come?

[warped kernel]

love feckless

[hearty dagger]

Love gormless

[royal granite]

having someone spam trauma into a horde and just spread it around all over the place is annoying

[warped kernel]

🙂

[viscid matrix]

i hate looking up to drop circles further away

[spice veldt]

it was a simple damage buff essentially in response to the higher enemy hp values so it is what it is

[uncut hamlet]

oh, yea that lmao

[viscid matrix]

looking away from the enemies you are targeting is stupid

[autumn smelt]

people arent to fond of how you aim it

[hearty dagger]

I've recently switched to a pretty funky build so Assail has gone from my main spam to "OH FUCK 10 GUNNER SQUAD" panic button

[uncut hamlet]

i swear it kills faster than it did pre patch though

[uncut hamlet]

dome shield

[royal granite]

10 gunners will erase a dome in milliseconds

[uncut hamlet]

FS did a really good job on the sound effects of the new abilities, projectiles hitting the shield tickles my ear the right way

[still hearth]

That's why you have Assail

[hearty dagger]

The simpleton forgot that shields break when damaged

[viscid matrix]

dome is still better than no dome

[still hearth]

Implying gunners existing

[uncut hamlet]

and 2 dome shields from warp charges

[royal granite]

i wish the dome had more health

[hearty dagger]

Scrier's Gaze gaming

[royal granite]

the fact that it pops like a soap bubble in the type of situation where you really need it sucks so much

[uncut hamlet]

with how often i get it up, it might be a bit too strong if it did. I already crutch on it

whenever my team is in a weird situation just popthe shield

[still hearth]

I've actually never experienced this but I do combo it with purgatus and smite

[uncut hamlet]

then pop it again

and maybe a third time if im lucky

[calm lotus]

so what are the differences in the force swords?

[plucky flax]

Disrupt destiny assail meme?

[rose dagger]

what if they nerfed assail by making them guided instead of homing

[hearty dagger]

Illisi: Fuck Everyone
Deimos: Fuck this one guy in particular
Obscurus: Fuck me

[fluid knot]

Ranged scabs made me explode

What fun

[calm lotus]

good to know

[still hearth]

They are both

[royal granite]

i'm not saying dome is bad, in fact i love dome, i get dome whenever i have the chance, if i could dome myself i would

[rose dagger]

pbm on psyker

[royal granite]

what was i talking about?

[uncut hamlet]

deimos single target, illsi more horde clear. both can do both, illsi is really good rn and does both better. no one uses obscurus

[royal granite]

oh yeah

[spice veldt]

they buffed the swap timers and some other things on force staffs in general, if it feels snappier to you to use

[royal granite]

dome is fine for covering normal situations where you encounter a normal quantity of gunfire

but it doesn't have that oh shit factor

[calm lotus]

what level should i not feel bad about joining malice games with a new character

[strange relic]

30

[fluid knot]

Any level if you usually play higher than that pal

[rose dagger]

lol

[calm lotus]

thats true

[uncut hamlet]

if youre new to the game, like 20? try a malice when you hit it and see how comfortable you are with it

[calm lotus]

hey not new

[uncut hamlet]

game sense and such is more important

[calm lotus]

just dont want to feel like a liability because of stats

true

[plucky flax]

Play damnation to level faster.

[royal granite]

playing malice with low damage sucks the moon out of the sky though

[still hearth]

Play Auric to level faster

[uncut hamlet]

its realy annoying yea

wailing on that one stupid zombie for eons

[gusty hamlet]

What's the preferred curio combo for psyker?

[static agate]

Did illisi get a buff?

[uncut hamlet]

its just been good in general pretty sure

[lofty escarp]

it may be placebo but it feels like scrier buffs movement speed

[plucky flax]

Like my man here level 24.

[uncut hamlet]

i used to use deimos more because i liked the design though so im not certain

[feral verge]

i love deimos before

i love it now

[royal granite]

i really don't like the krief outfit

[calm lotus]

oh yeah whats the deal with the force swords push

[royal granite]

i get that the imperium is textually fascist but i'd like to at least try not to look like it

[calm lotus]

anything special with it

[spice veldt]

the push is normal, though it has a slightly longer range than most melee weapons

but i assume you're talking about the push-attack

which is a single-target stagger

[calm lotus]

right sorry

but yeah big stagger is it?

[ornate hamlet]

So unstable power with scriers gaze is actually pretty good.

[spice veldt]

yeah it can knock down a crusher

[calm lotus]

oh wow that is big stagger

yeah just saw

[uncut hamlet]

i really like the on release penance set for vet honestly, makes me feel badass

[hearty dagger]

Bruh i just saw someone run smite and purge staff who called me a noob

[royal granite]

the release penances are still accessible right?

i'd hate to have missed monstronum

[hearty dagger]

Imagine only having the Deimos as your single target damage option

[rose dagger]

need a private team for some of them

[ornate hamlet]

Has anyone tried exorcist and unstable power with scriers gaze?

[royal granite]

i mean i'm not realistically ever going to do it, but i like having the option

[calm lotus]

nice tooltips

[royal granite]

nice

[feral verge]

are you in a place to judge my new psyker build

[uncut hamlet]

yea

[spice veldt]

sure i'm in lecture about a topic i've already read about in the textbook

hit me with it, doc

[hearty dagger]

Go ahead young blud. Show us the build.

[uncut hamlet]

rupture apparently counts as BB for monstronum. someone yesterday did a penance on zealot with an upgraded version of the base ability, and it counted