psyker-class

[flint pawn]

They better not nerf the relic, I want to keep my ability to stagger Daemonhosts

[astral oracle]

you don’t just stagger them

you s h o v e em

[fluid knot]

I doubt its gonna see many changes tbh

[astral oracle]

God it’s so funny seeing daemonhosts dying to falling into the void

[fluid knot]

Relic is weird tho, this faux immunity to damage when nothing can damage you anyway because its being staggered

[ivory solstice]

whats this relic u guys speak of

[fluid knot]

Zealot ult

One of em anyway

[astral oracle]

But that should not be a thing. Neither should it be able to stagger monstrosities this hard

[ivory solstice]

ahh

[flint pawn]

They can take Assail, that's fine, I have chainsword now and that's all I need

[fluid knot]

Ogryn Shovel; Hold my beer

[astral oracle]

Zealot ability that looks like a book on tree

[fluid knot]

https://youtu.be/5Y98IqFxcMw?si=_SSEdPsCjW_UAM-5

[late yew]

what blessings for dueling sword?

[ivory solstice]

i love how those light ass uppercuts are stunning a huge beast lmao

[fluid knot]

I mean, they are punches from a literal one-ton meat-wall

[ivory solstice]

if it were me id take it no prob

[wicked badge]

Oh god im in a spyker only team

[astral oracle]

In a fight right?

[fluid knot]

Yeah, take it straight to the morgue

[astral oracle]

In

In a fight
Right?

[fluid knot]

Alright alright, take it to Zealot chat

[spice veldt]

uncanny strike + shred/riposte

[honest frigate]

[astral oracle]

of course it’s the furry

[honest frigate]

Youre the one whos posted the message

I am simply reacting

[wicked badge]

We all died realy quickly

But i still got paid 4K for some reason

[astral oracle]

Special condition probs

Something like hunting grounds or sum schizer

Friends and I failed an auric mission halfway but still got like a heresy mission’s worth of money cause of special condition

[fluid terrace]

i feel like theres weirdly too many fire grenades

[astral oracle]

What could you ever mean bear

[fluid knot]

Director has been turned up on Maelstrom

Its balls to the wall all the way, either get good or die for the Emperor

[fluid terrace]

it's like everwhere i go theres a huse mess of fire and i cant fucking walk

im fine with difficulty but i literally cannot walk anywhere

[fluid knot]

Bombers are a high-priority target in nearly every instance, if you can see em, kill em

[burnt tapir]

pox bursters are the run enders imo

[astral oracle]

You’re not allowed to walk

[burnt tapir]

So many times they've just spawned and downed several people instantly

[astral oracle]

Who said you could walk

[fluid knot]

Ignore the Orgyns, they're just there to get in your way an stop you dealing with the actual threats, Bombers, Trappers, Dogs, Bursters etc

[astral oracle]

Pox bursters are another reason why I love my smite

:)

burster
poxed

[fluid knot]

I love both Suge an Smite for that too, BUT i hate a lot of people zapping bursters that have just been pushed/are about to be pushed which stops them exploding

[burnt tapir]

s h i e l d

[fluid knot]

Dont be those guys

[burnt tapir]

It's an addiction

[astral oracle]

well maybe they shouldn’t have PUSHED EM

[late yew]

Voidstuff way more insane than assail

[fluid knot]

Nah, seriously, you can end runs yourself blowing them up in people's faces

Its not the burster that causes it, its misuse of the weapon/blitz

Same deal for trigger happy Vets

[astral oracle]

they touched m y t a r g e t

[fluid knot]

Do it consistently an people will leave you for dead if you go down lol

[late yew]

Wait, there are different dueling swordS?

When did that happen

[burnt tapir]

one is more cleave

the other is..something

[vestal fulcrum]

There’s 5, 4 and 2

[spice veldt]

since launch

[astral oracle]

Yeh

Always have been

[late yew]

seems like there is barely any difference between them

[spice veldt]

check the damage numbers on mk4's heavies and compare them to the rest

[late yew]

what the actual fuck

no point in using others then

also special is useless on every one of them

[spice veldt]

special is for stagger

special-ing in the weakspot of crushers will stagger them for an extended period, and it has enough stagger to overcome their stagger resistance afterwards

special-ing bulwarks in the head guardbreaks them for a few seconds

[desert vault]

What's going on with surge staff now? It seems like it's a very bad void staff now.

[spice veldt]

special-ing mutants in the head staggers them for a moment

[astral oracle]

I don’t know if they changed surge at all

But voidstaff definitely cracked

[spice veldt]

higher damage, 2 target cap, and faster charge

[desert vault]

Surge doesn't surge anymore. it only hits two targets, it's range is longer, and it deals damage much faster. Which is all worthless, bc Void kills everything in a straight line forever.

And so, for that matter, does any gun.

Psyker really feels borked. Assail is a trap/crutch, surge staff is nerfed and has no role, Void staff is completely broken, and BB is much harder to use effectively.

[astral oracle]

oh no wonder it felt horrid to use

and why I smite now instead

[safe meteor]

I feel like a loser using assail all the time

[astral oracle]

It’s okay kitkat

[safe meteor]

There's no skill involed in pressing click mindlessly

[astral oracle]

You are

But it’s okay

[safe meteor]

[spice veldt]

it's psyker's autopistol essentially

[strong gulch]

If you like and think it's fun, use it.

[spice veldt]

god bless fatshark

[cyan notch]

aimbot

[astral oracle]

Meanwhile: Me using the Smite bug

[safe meteor]

Yeah no it's psyker smart pistol from TF|2

[strong gulch]

If you want something with more skill, do that.

[fluid terrace]

smite bug?

[safe meteor]

You close your eyes and press click and wipe out whatever is in front of you

[desert vault]

Agreed. Assail straight up sucks. Like, not "sucks at dealing damage", but "sucks that they put an auto-aim crutch ability like this in that tricks newbies in to something they can't learn from but also makes them a liability to their team"

[astral oracle]

Smite doesn’t gain any peril with an empower stack

[golden frigate]

infinite smite with empowered perk

[strong gulch]

It should be balanced better for sure, but it's also brain fog friendly.

[safe meteor]

I know FS probably designed the ability a long time ago but I feel like it's made for console players, really

[astral oracle]

On the bright side

Assail made it really easy for me to get Dodge This! 3

:)

[late yew]

but its stagger values are the same

So i should only bother with dueling sword 4?

[spice veldt]

p much

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/lrcrj3

[desert vault]

Yeah, I can see Assail being desirable for people who find precise aim unfeasible for various reasons, like as an accessibility thing. But at the same time, the purge, trauma, and old surge staves didn't require precise aim, nor did the old VS staff. And BB locked on once you started pressing the button.

[late yew]

You are nerfed and have no role

Surge is amazing

[burnt tapir]

I like it as a ranged option for short range staffs

It's made trauma feel so much better

[desert vault]

How so? Why would i take it over a lasgun?

[late yew]

because it kills way faster

also stagger

[burnt tapir]

Surge feels really bad on t5 auric for me

Peril to kill ratio is just awful

killing 2 targets at a time is just not enough

especially for like 30% peril

[fluid knot]

I actually think Surge was buffed, but because Void is now so unreasonably strong it doesnt feel like a buff

Noone should be comparing Void to any of the other staves really tho at this point

Its better than most of the guns at this point

Even better than Rippers which is saying something

[desert vault]

I wouldn't call it a buff. it was made in to a different weapon. It used to be for CC and killing flak and carapace enemies. Now it's... whatever it is.

Oh yeah, no question, idk what they did to void but it's extremely broken, even by the standards of everything being ludicrous OP in update 12

13

[late yew]

Rampage not worth it on dueling sword?

[late yew]

for elites it is great

[spice veldt]

not particularly, since you won't be using it for hordes

[late yew]

if you using it for hordes, then it is a you issue

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s OK, but not spectacular for clearing chaff

[late yew]

replace weak spot with crit chance?

[desert vault]

How do you build smite? I just turned it on in the pskyanium and woof, this feels awful.

[fluid knot]

Thats a fair look at it yeah, but i would definately say its an improvement, Smite fills the CC role nicely and Surge is no longer gimped vs the majority of targets

I think it was a good move to change how the weapon functions

[spice veldt]

that's what I'd do since crits can let you hit certain BPs, but you could also run carapace and whatnot

[late yew]

It is for stunning

not killing

and can stun whole horde

including specials and elites

[fluid knot]

Whole horde? It can stun whole rooms

[desert vault]

That does not sound conducive to fun gameplay.

[fluid knot]

Its the ultimate in the way of "I need to carry this team"

[burnt tapir]

What staff is bad at elites?

[fluid knot]

It can be used in a fun way, you dont have to go through the whole mission using it, but treat it like Oggies Big Bomba or Zealots funny relic an it'll save really dire situations from being run-ending

Which if im honest, was likely the design philosophy for it, each character has an ability like that

These new blitz's/Ults have been designed specifically for the hardest difficulties

[desert vault]

I've found that the update has trivialized auric damnation

[late yew]

hordes take more space than 1 room

[late yew]

That does not sound like an intelligent thought

[fluid knot]

By "room" i mean spawn zone, not as in small room

[fluid knot]

Normal/Hi-STG sure, certainly not Maelstrom

The director can go proper awol now in those

[late yew]

Trying crit build with dueling sword

And scryer

[fluid knot]

Had one earlier on Hab an everyone in the lobby was playing at S+ tier an we still wiped because it was so non-stop, fuckin super fun

got trapped in one of the corners an ive never seen specials flooding in like that i think ever, literally fully balls to the wall all the time

I adore what they've done with the Maelstrom director, its sooo much more fun now

[agile geode]

is there a type of mission, or place that generally has better chance of plasteel??
i feel like you get so little xD

[fluid knot]

They all have relatively similar amounts, its just highly dependent on if your team is also picking stuff up

[spice veldt]

linear maps like magistrati, consignment yard, etc., will have an easier time

[fluid knot]

Relay station is pretty short tho, so thats the best bet if you just want to farm it

[spice veldt]

damnation also has roughly 2x more mats than heresy, assuming that nothing has changed from before the patch

805 plasteel and 300 diamantine max

[fluid knot]

Seems about the same by my eye

[spice veldt]

prepatch values

[fluid knot]

Sedition with question marks because noone plays it lool

[astral oracle]

Sedition:
?????????????????? Why would you?????

[fluid knot]

https://tenor.com/view/not-worth-it-gif-6198985

[desert vault]

What do you pair with the lightning smite? I feel useless without bb

[late yew]

surge

void

trauma

anything really

[desert vault]

I don't like this update at all. It feels like an incoheren mess, and that's being papered over by the massive increase in damage and survivability

[spice veldt]

yeah we're on a relatively early build currently

xbox certifications are slowing the next updates down so hopefully there'll be better balance though

[fluid terrace]

i love smite

why wasnt this in base psyker

[desert vault]

Hopefully. I don't know how. Instead of having four classes with clear roles we've got four messy trees with bad synergy

[fluid terrace]

this is so much more fun that brain popping

[desert vault]

Am I using it wrong? You just stand there and stunt things. It doesn't seeem like it has any gameplay to it.

[loud girder]

i find it more fun with a group that actaully utilizes it D:

its kinda zdps

[late yew]

literal skill issue

update is great

[loud girder]

it doesnt kill anything

[late yew]

No, now actualy roles way better defined

[fluid terrace]

i wouldn't know i don't know any good builds but if you go the middle keystone you can potentially have an entire horde stunned with your shock, since it keeps chain hopping.

[late yew]

before Veteran was best melee because of overpowered powersword

Now Zealot IS the god of melee

[tropic pollen]

haven’t tried out new psyker yet, how’s bio-lightning?

[late yew]

Ogryn can actually be a useful Big Brother and tank all the enemies

[loud girder]

see there is the difference between us i prefer to just wipe them instead of stun them D:

[late yew]

And PSyker can take sev eral different roles

[fluid terrace]

also the increased damage kills them so you could potentially kill them and keep the empowered shock going

[naive sedge]

Overall its a good update but the ability spam is kind of overtaking the melee game. Players shooting their way through a Maelstrom.

[fluid terrace]

psyker is definilty more support oreintated this patch but i really like that

[desert vault]

Yeah, I don't get it. you just stand there and stun things. It've very passive. There's nothing to it.

[loud girder]

honestly shards feel incredible vs hordes

[fluid terrace]

it feels great

[late yew]

have you lived under a rock

that's always been the way, except before it was only guns

[loud girder]

the beauty is it doesnt mean you dont need to do damage

[cinder moon]

i finally got a good voidstrike staff and have been trying it with full brain burst/soulblaze build. it's absolutely disgusting, i wish the plasma was this good

[fluid terrace]

i played with a psyker with the shards it fucking destroyed

[loud girder]

can go for shield and still crush

[late yew]

Is it? Felt to me like BB now the weakest psyker option

[fluid terrace]

melee is stil lvery good what do you mean?

are you dodging?

[loud girder]

honestly it might be a hot stupid take but i think they should allow us to pick any skill when we reach a breakpoint it would really make classes blow up with options

[naive sedge]

Idk man, I see less melee kills by the end of a round than before, by a lot.

[cinder moon]

i don't touch BB unless i need to kill a sniper or something. kills proc warp charges

[spice veldt]

yeah i've pretty much stopped playing melee psyker

god bless assail

[late yew]

That's only psykers

[desert vault]

Well they put block with peril out on one side, so you can only have it with some builds

[cinder moon]

i love my dueling sword

[fluid terrace]

i only use my raipier on my psyker for stamina regen and clearing out hordes when i have way too high peril

[cinder moon]

mkiv is incredible for dealing with maniacs

[late yew]

there is no rapier

[fluid terrace]

dueling sword i just call it a rapier

it's easier

[naive sedge]

It is mechanically near identical to saltz rapier. 2 stage heavy charge etc

[fluid terrace]

i've never play saltz

i was the elf tank

i forgot the name of the character and the class

[ionic needle]

Don't talk about saltz, now I miss the axe and falchion

Dual weapons would be really neat in this game

[naive sedge]

Dual wielded weapons as mtx DLC is when you k own this game is in trouble

Let's hope it doesn't happen

[fluid terrace]

i want dual revolvers and then i'll play veteran

[desert vault]

I just did archivum on heresy with smite and I don't understand what it's for at all. It just locks you in place doing no damage.

[cinder moon]

i'd go back to gunker if i could dual wield a laspistol or revolver with the dueling sword

[hybrid solstice]

is the movement speed buff on scrier's gaze ever worth grabbing?

[desert vault]

The surge staff's damage was iffy, but it did do a lot of damage to carapace and flak set up properly. This is just "Stand here and wati for someone else to kill something"

[cinder moon]

i have a purgatus build with scriers, and a gunker build. the movement buff is nice with purgatus since you're slow when casting

[hybrid solstice]

ah okay

then i will be giving up the upgrade that makes brain rupture cast faster after ult since i think that wont see much use during scrier's

[cinder moon]

i tried scrier/BB but i couldn't find any synergy

[hybrid solstice]

there isnt really supposed to be

[cinder moon]

basically relying on melee and ranged slot to deal with everything except elites

[hybrid solstice]

in my mind at least

[agile geode]

this is very good info to know, highly appreciate it (and will save it)
still leveling up my psyker and getting geared, so mainly doing quickplay for the extra %

[late yew]

it is a literal saber

not rapier

very different weapon

[hybrid solstice]

in fact i dont think any of the blitz abilities have "synergy" with scrier's really

i guess assail does a bit more after it;s over probably

[spice veldt]

has some use with assail because of the crits

[desert vault]

How have y'all see people using the shield at high difficulties? Is anyone doing anything useful with it?

[spice veldt]

but also the peril gen is quite bad

[cinder moon]

there's some build that can spam shields, which is more annoying than useful

[spice veldt]

it's nice for being out of position and not dying

[hybrid solstice]

right i dont see myself using assail during scrier's

[desert vault]

Is that an asset to the team?

[spice veldt]

I think it opens up a few more positioning opportunities, and that makes the shield quite nice

it can be, i'd say

[cinder moon]

the shield does make some spots really nice if you're just trying to clear out a room of shooters or whatever

[deft sluice]

Any advice on current Surge Staff uses ? Seems like they turned it into single target shutdown + damage

[spice veldt]

in addition, the dome shield is quite good for ganking the beast of nurgle and denying bombers/flamers

[cinder moon]

use surge staff on armored units, smite is for CC

[desert vault]

Helping to prevent flamer wipes does seem good.

[spice veldt]

since it prevents the spit/flames, and the grenade can't land inside (but the ground fire will still spread)

[hybrid solstice]

venting shriek seems neat but i rarely feel like ive needed to hit that button with all the new peril buffs so im trying to optimize how much of my abilities i'm actually putting to use

[cinder moon]

a good surge staff will kill pretty much anything in one or two charges

[spice veldt]

I'd rate the shield over scrier's gaze, at the very least

[hybrid solstice]

yeah maybe, we'll see

i do like the shield

[thorn cedar]

I hope they nerf the vfx on Smite. The only thing more stunned than the hordes is my gpu. ;_;

[hybrid solstice]

also you cant grab the crit aura with shriek

which is lame

[desert vault]

It feels weird. Peril doesn't feel like a real limitation right now.

[cinder moon]

i haven't figured out a good shield build yet

[lyric sorrel]

Too real

[cinder moon]

might make one of my gunkers into a shield build

[hybrid solstice]

yeah, it feels like it is just a way to stagger you from using too much warp but i dont feel in any danger of exploding either

[desert vault]

The VFX have been pretty bad. The psyker abilities make it hard to see what's going on. The zealot firebomb can be hard to distinguish from the bomber firebomb. The shield obstructs vision. And whoever came up with the smoke grenade needs to be sat down and given a serious talking too.

[desert vault]

I've only popped maybe 10, 20 times in 500 hours so now I just don't really have to manage peril.

[lyric sorrel]

These are all good points man. No arguments

[cinder moon]

venting shriek is also extremely useful. gets dogs off teammates up to 30m away, makes chaos spawn throw and beast of nurgle puke teammates, applies soulblaze

[desert vault]

Like Peril management was all about getting the number down to 69 so I could fire off the next BB.

[lyric sorrel]

Wait it can stun monster. That’s good to know

[cinder moon]

goes through walls and floors as well, so if a lollygagger got dogged before a point of no return, you can save them sometimes

[lyric sorrel]

I just purge peril in between attacks

[desert vault]

Ugh. They need to make the zealots thoughts and prayer's ability stop stunlocking monsters. It's already a bad ability - 10ish seconds of invulnerability? But stunning mosnters is too much.

[tulip wing]

what is the best way to build around the sheild?

[lyric sorrel]

I understand that. But I feel that’s the point. Like it’s supposed to be a strong light and resting point for your team. That’s how I view it but I dunno how other zealots actually view it

[desert vault]

To me having a resting point is antithetical to what makes Darktide fun.

[lyric sorrel]

So thematically it’s amazing. Cause holiness and stuff. But on a balance stand point yeah it needs to be nerf

[valid shale]

I wouldn’t

[lyric sorrel]

Like maybe having immense toughness or immense stun. Not both

[valid shale]

Scrier Gaze and the lawn darts = one shotting literally everything

[desert vault]

Having a 1-time stun and toughness regen, and forcing monsters to release players would be fine.

Even giving it a few seconds of that over-shield buff.

[rocky osprey]

am I just building/using Assail wrong or is it kind of mid

[desert vault]

Maybe make it more pwoerful the fewer wounds the zealot has.

[cold oasis]

I mean, give them something jesus

[desert vault]

Assail does what your staves should be doing, is how I'm looking at it.

[valid shale]

what level are you?

[desert vault]

It's a neat trick and I'm sure players who want a less complex experience will enjoy it, but I don't see any reason to use it.

[rocky osprey]

I'm 30+ lol. Just not sure if I'm missing some part to enhancing it or if it's not really meant to be used as a primary attack option

[cold oasis]

It is

[rocky osprey]

Like Frank said, I feel like I could get more bang for my buck with my usual staves

[cold oasis]

Just use Warp Charges and the +10% damage aura

how :V

[valid shale]

I used it as a primary attack and it’a pretty good

[cold oasis]

You can literally clear a room full of elites alone

[valid shale]

Did you do both upgrades for it? @rocky osprey

[compact cargo]

I'd say since it requires to be out often to constantly output damage, it shouldn't be used with staves outside of maybe surge (for armor)

But instead of surge you can just volver

[spice veldt]

are you aiming Assail at enemies? (i.e., looking at enemies while the shards are up in the air)

[compact cargo]

2 shot crusher with 4 stack 90% peril

[spice veldt]

it's an auto-aim weapon that's particularly good at taking out human ranged enemies

[desert vault]

So then what are you using as your primary weapon? A lasgun?

[valid shale]

Like, I can one shot most things with it on heretic, as a level 15

[cold oasis]

think of Assail like an OP Lasgun

you killl every ranged and every horde with it

[spice veldt]

the assail's raw DPS output isn't that great

but the amount of skill that you put into it and the output you get is insanely unbalanced

[rocky osprey]

ofc! and I'm not trying to downplay it, tbh I've played a lot pre-update so I'm pretty confident with the staves I've rolled and it feels a bit more consistent/faster, so i'm just trying to understand where the build could improve. atm it seems like I've got most of the recommended passives, but maybe I'll try Warp Charges instead of Empowered Psionics.

[cinder moon]

assail gets better with more enemies present

[valid shale]

Did you go for scriers gaze?

[cinder moon]

that said, i don't like assail because it's still not precise enough for me

[compact cargo]

HH/Volver

[desert vault]

But it's not a lasgun, it's a blitz. I don't like smite or assailk because they're both doing things your staves should do, essentially making your primary weapon redundant.

[compact cargo]

or a kantrael las gun if it's ur thing

[rocky osprey]

this lmao. Even aiming it, it still feels a bit inconsistent in those moment to moment fights.

[valid shale]

Really?

[cinder moon]

assail also requires some kind of ranged solution, otherwise you'll get pwnt by snipers and gunners across the room that you can't see for more than 0.05s

[valid shale]

For me it’s like using aimbot

[spice veldt]

yeah it needs to be tuned down

[compact cargo]

for primary caxe, but it should be ur fav psword

[rocky osprey]

I feel like I could kill stuff faster by the time the shard whips around to the target

but I'll try scriers and warp charges!

[compact cargo]

specially if paired with those dodges to just kite bosses as long as you want

[valid shale]

I fling it, and it kills 4 enemies and nearly kills a 5th

[desert vault]

i don't think the problem is it's damage. i think that it fundamentally has no role in the toolkit.

[spice veldt]

it fits the role of a quickswap weapon that you can throw out and then use your other weapons in the meantime

[compact cargo]

Smite needs to be tuned down?

[valid shale]

Smites fine

[spice veldt]

the problem is that it's also overtuned to the point of being able to be used as a primary weapon

[valid shale]

It’s perfect for a support role psyker

[desert vault]

Smite needs to be removed and the old surge stave brought back.

[spice veldt]

don't worry I think the smite is quite peepee poopoo

[cinder moon]

smite working with empowered psionics is likely a bug and unintended, but smite's peril gen outside of that is stupid high and makes it useless

[compact cargo]

Currently surge staff wrecks armor, smite does pure cc

[valid shale]

Kill this heretic NOW

[desert vault]

And the old surge staff did both

[compact cargo]

Surge still has a place in non-smite builds, the bigger issue is bb is mediocre

[left crater]

As a psyker main, here is my hot take.

Cut down the number of shards by half, double peril cost, increase recharge.

You should be able to spam them, but do it in bursts, not as a primary weapon

[compact cargo]

How old are we speaking?

[cinder moon]

BB is incredible, you just don't rely on it as a main tool

[compact cargo]

Previous patch or 5 patches ago?

[late yew]

"oh no, smite and surge so bad"

[cinder moon]

run BB build with a gun or voidstrike and come back to me

[compact cargo]

Volver does bb much, much better and efficiently

[spice veldt]

I wouldn't increase the peril cost because that would limit mixed usage with force weapons

[compact cargo]

Ended up using volver more than bb

[fluid terrace]

BALIF

[desert vault]

BB offers unique abilities high single target damage without needing LOS.

[fluid terrace]

SMACK HIS NUTS

[cinder moon]

BB and revolver pair like milk and cookies

[desert vault]

Revolver can't tag snipers from cover.

[compact cargo]

You need brief LOS, it's irrelevant for all enemies

Anything volver has brief los to can be 1 shot

[fossil jay]

With the rework of Warp Siphon, the penance "Warp Battery" is now impossibly hard.

[compact cargo]

snipers, bombers, trappers

[spice veldt]

being able to snipe enemies iwthout LoS is nice

[compact cargo]

things that run off and are likely to be obscured can be 1 shot

[spice veldt]

but at the same time, you can also spam dodges with assail and stare at a sniper

[compact cargo]

I'd understand if maybe u went bb and purgatus

[spice veldt]

because the aim assist allows you to just spam dodges without caring about throwing off your aim

[cinder moon]

that's the idea; you spec into BB for getting brain bursts on kills and soulblaze, but you also can use it to supplement kit/instakill certain specials

[compact cargo]

This sounds like a skill issue

Or better yet

game bad

[agile geode]

one thing i wish for BB (BR) is that in groups it would auto lock on specials/elites

[compact cargo]

There's less talent intensive ways to get warp stacks, the big issue I see is been forced to consume them on f

that and the big bug u got on that talent for infinite shields

[spice veldt]

very tragik

[desert vault]

Revolver is not a replacement for BB. For one - You're giving up all your CC. For two, BB's targetting gives it numerous unique advantages. For three - You're trying to do the vets job.

[late yew]

final score

Surge is fuckn amazing

[spice veldt]

why is that a job that solely belongs to vets?

[late yew]

look at elite kills

[compact cargo]

If ur a small psyker you can jump and look above the special

[late yew]

and disabler kills

[cinder moon]

you get back warp charges VERY quickly as long as you're in coherency with teammates

with my voidstrike/revolver BB build, i'm almost always at 6wc and never touch BB except when i absolutely need to

[desert vault]

Because they have high damage precision long range weapons. The commando tree, as far as I can tell, just makes you a bad zealot and a bad sharpshooter. I don't get the yelly boy tree.

[compact cargo]

You are giving up all your cc anyway going volver/bb, the only advnatage is again, pointless, anything that runs away and has brief LOS is a 1 shot on volver

[compact cargo]

Still a painful dps loss for 10-20 seconds depending on situation

[cinder moon]

in big enough crowds it's back pretty much instantly

[late yew]

did you see that score @desert vault

that is surge

it is so amazing

[dapper dove]

Is getting warp charges from brain burst still a thing

[late yew]

not relaly

you get it from killing elites

Or from soulblaze kills

[desert vault]

I think "I can reliably score first round headshots on specials when five snipers are shooting at me and everything is on fire" is probably something unique to you and not applicable to most players.

[compact cargo]

it's the old method without bb
elites, 4% of funny fire

[compact cargo]

Don't need to, bodyshot all of em

[dapper dove]

It used to be anything right?

[compact cargo]

Reason to get warp stacks ^^

[late yew]

yes

[compact cargo]

and high peril 24/7

[late yew]

There is also talent for 4% chance of any kills

but it is guaranteed on elite kills

[desert vault]

Elite BB kills or any elite kills?

[spice veldt]

any elite kills

brain rupture and warp charges have been completely uncoupled now

the one problem that i've noticed with the warp charge branch is that it's quite an investment of points

[late yew]

i did not like it

[compact cargo]

It's so many points and tools in one side

[late yew]

anyone tried disrupt destiny?

[desert vault]

What is your set up to get 1st round body kills with revolver?

[cinder moon]

aim for the head

[compact cargo]

I'll get it once I'm back home, but it's mostly, simulating the old set up:

• 20% from high peril
• Try to maintain 6 warpstacks, bb/volver elites for it, at 5 if I remember correctly trappers will survive
• Can't 1 shot flamers, often knockdown lets you finish it with a through horde shot, but it's something to keep in mind
• Additionaly you can add maniac damage on your volver to reliably 1 shot trappers at 4 charges, giving you the option to not carry 6 stacks (idk why but u can)
• Can go into crit builds due to volver blessings
• Headshot drops them no matter what

[near wyvern]

Yes not great, can't mark trash for targets so whenever there is a horde you will drop all stacks.

[desert vault]

Okay, thank you.

[compact cargo]

Issue I see is that BB doesn't pair well with the high peril, which goes back to my complain about it

[cinder moon]

just ride 90% peril with BB, you can even charge at 99% and still not explode

[desert vault]

Yeah afaik you must be at 100% peril to pop with BB.

[compact cargo]

but I'm having to use bb out of necesity to keep charge high for the specials

[cinder moon]

but really, why even bother using BB when voidstrike just gives you all the WC you need

[compact cargo]

could just use smite/assail instead consistently

True

[cinder moon]

just use the skills that give you WC on (elite) kill from you/allies

[desert vault]

Yeah, you still can't pop unless you're at 100% when you start the BB.

[compact cargo]

Wait, doesn't the bb tree have the decrease special cooldown on elite kill?

[late yew]

I think if that talent worked it could be decent. But it seems it simply does nothing

[compact cargo]

It makes you faster

The fast part works

[desert vault]

Yeah, Psykinetics Aura requires BB or Smite

[compact cargo]

another point for bb/smite then

[near wyvern]

Yeah BB is more for surge / trauma in case you want to deal with snipers and gunners that you can't touch with your staff

[desert vault]

I wish they'd dumped all this tree BS and just added more options to the old system.

[late yew]

Or that talent might be working only for disrupt targets kills

[near wyvern]

Haven't gotten that far down with Atheneum yet but it might be wekspot kills on the market targets

[late yew]

can you trigger marked targets in psykenium

[compact cargo]

no

[cinder moon]

still useful for voidstrike if you just need to kill a sniper or something, or a dog that's running away

[compact cargo]

atleast not without mods

[desert vault]

Making Kinetic delfection require shield or scryer sucks.

[late yew]

I specifically want this tree to work with dueling sword

[near wyvern]

Wdym

[cinder moon]

you can go straight across

[compact cargo]

It's a 2 point cost

[cinder moon]

i have deflection on my BB builds

[late yew]

it does not

[compact cargo]

from middle*

[desert vault]

Ahh. thanks for pointing that out. I had thought you could only go down, not up.

[near wyvern]

You can get all three buttons on the middle bottom row

[desert vault]

That does make my day much better.

[cinder moon]

think of it like how water flows

can go down/to the sides

[naive sedge]

I cannever tell without a ui hint when the talent tree will let me go backwards

[desert vault]

Oh, I see. It's not consistent. You can go up to some nodes, I guess the +base stat nodes, but not passives. I must have tried to go up to a passive and decided you couldnt' go up anywhere.

[cinder moon]

tbf this tree is sometimes very vague and i can't tell which skill i haven't de-selected why trying to go backwards

[spice veldt]

yeah it's a relatively loose sense of being on the same level

[late yew]

you can't go up, but it is not considered up, it is sideways

[hybrid solstice]

200+ hours in and i have found my first 380 literally ever

[cerulean cave]

question, anyone got tips for someone wanting to go with Smite, due to being very used to the old Surge.
As in, which Secondary/Blitz/Final perk to go for?

[late yew]

NO

it is simply not up

[cerulean cave]

pulled a 380 knife after like 10 attempts from Brunts, on my Vet last night...it's quite the kick

[crude trout]

is savage sweep or Wrath better than devastating strike for crit catachan mk iv?

[desert vault]

The node is further up than the one before it. It is above the other one. You must go up, as the nodes are visually represented on the screen. They are not positioned parallel on the screen. Go yell at the FS art team.

[empty onyx]

Oh wow, I'm an idiot. I've only just now realized that the fire ult is also decoupled from Warp charges. I've been playing it like I did before the update.

[near wyvern]

Yeah the tip is don't use it much. Only to briefly stop a mutant, hold a dog, etc. But don't just spam it. It doesn't remove anything from the screen, simply stun locks the enemy and partially locks you as well.

[spice veldt]

pre-patch psyker rp

[hybrid solstice]

sounds cool honestly would rather have pulled that than a tac axe.. but idk maybe this weapon is pretty sick with brutal momentum idk

[desert vault]

Maybe someone will make a mod that makes the trees easier to read

[cerulean cave]

definitely has a moveset you need to like, yea

[near wyvern]

The stack thresholds for the fire ult are already in Atheneum

[hybrid solstice]

yeah nah now if you want full 6 stacks you gotta be at high peril

[empty onyx]

That said, the warp charge cooldown is also nice.

[hybrid solstice]

anyone know what the peril threshold for stuff like the full damage/fire stacks for venting shriek is?

[late yew]

unless you use empowered psionics 👁️

[hybrid solstice]

is it 100%?

[cerulean cave]

so would you say sticking to new surge and going with Assails is better? Since what you're saying I should use smite for, surge can do better

[cold oasis]

Void or Surge+Assail is all you need

[naive sedge]

Yah, what is high peril for that ability? Is 50% high peril or 90%?

[late yew]

it sucks anyway

[cold oasis]

Either one is great

[hybrid solstice]

perhaps but im still curious

[late yew]

Surge is for killing

[near wyvern]

Still no. Smite does 30-50DPS and can only advance in around +/-45degree angles, so you deal absolutely no damage and if you get unlucky you cannot include that free runner before letting go of your bugged free smite.

[late yew]

This is i did with surge and smite @cerulean cave

[hybrid solstice]

smite is still nice for locking down rooms of enemies

idk

i probably wont use it myself lol

[compact cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/power-starwars-unlimited-power-gif-15939349

[hybrid solstice]

never liked old surge much

[near wyvern]

Yeah if you have surge staff rupture and assail are the better choice.

I like to run surge staff with horde clear melee, empowered ruptures and stun shield. That thing can handle everything, monstrosity damage is a bit low tho, but that is the case for any build that does not have purgatus with fire ult or bleed knife.

[cerulean cave]

Surge can stunlock a few targets still. If I run smite, I'm using it for mass CC.
One of the first builds I did was actually smite with purgatus. CC everything on one side and then turn around and handle an entire horde yourself, using Purgatus, while the rest of the team can hold your back free

but

that build relies on competent teammates

[fluid terrace]

bzzzzt

[compact cargo]

Surge still deals quite good armor damage

Compared to smite*

[fluid terrace]

i actually have a good ogryn on my team and it's so much fun

[cerulean cave]

yea pre-patch I ran surge with illisi and the BB-Empower Blitz...with how drastically Psyker changed, I'm still kinda struggling to get back into a build I enjoy the same, to the point of contemplating a full on main swap

[late yew]

You absolutely do deal damage. You kill horde quicker your allies can

[still hearth]

Yes

Less lightning users

[near wyvern]

Well that's because surge deals around 800-1300DPS depending if you crit or not to any target if you don't have to quell while smite deals 30-50DPS depending on how long it has been going on.

[near wyvern]

With smite?

[cold oasis]

Smite+Void Strike/Surge is literally the same build

[cold oasis]

One difference is now the BB is the staff and the staff is the smite

[potent echo]

Yeap

[compact cargo]

It's fun for speedruns

Quelling while outspeeding a mutant is funny

Can run circles around columns to keep the mutant busy

[cerulean cave]

and then empowered psionics?

[near wyvern]

Swap surge staff for void staff with warp nexus and surge and pick up smite. You will have a similar build again. Void crit procs one shot crushers when you get the double ball. And that happens like 40% of the time and there is a passive to get guaranteed crits as well. Just saying.

You use void when you used to use BB

OR you can keep using surge staff as well, it just it doesn't have infinite range but it one shots most specials / elites and kills all of them in three hits. It also has like the fastest charge time of all staffs now so you can do like 2 casts in the time of one BB.

[fossil jay]

I'm trying to get the Warp Battery redacted penance and am running into issues with keeping stacks up, although I'm not a maxxed out Psyker yet. Any recommendations on how to complete the penance with how Warp Charges got reworked?

[cerulean cave]

higher difficulty

more elites

more charges

[compact cargo]

Don't use f

Have a revolver out

And likely bb

[cerulean cave]

definitely BB yea

[compact cargo]

bb+volver lets you bb into 1 shot bulwarks which should be plenty in some missions

[late yew]

i need to get surge on void...

[late yew]

Ya fuckn sissy

when it is 30+ targets

It is some damage

1500 dps according to you

already higher than surge

[mighty olive]

I've made about 5 staffs and 3 got tier 4 surge, may the luck be forever in your favor, sibling!

[wicked badge]

Got the cool lightning staff

Noice

[fluid terrace]

i dunno if my psyker is even 'good' but it's fun and it works

zap and burn

[wicked badge]

If it works then your fine

[desert vault]

Has anyone figured out Scryers? I don't feel like it's getting me to breakpoints

Is it just for guns?

[fluid knot]

You can use it with other warp related stuff, but your "danger threshold" as it were is much higher

Its pretty easy to accidentally become human bomb if you're not super careful

[cerulean cave]

it can work quite well with Assail, but...

it's just too much of a pain, I think, compared to what you get

if you could just run either of the other two Blitzs

[desert vault]

It doesn't seem like it gives enough of a bonus to be worthwhile.

[fluid knot]

Its not a huge bonus no

[cerulean cave]

yea unless wanna play a vet-mimic

[fluid knot]

Needs some tweaking

[cyan portal]

little psa for the soulblaze fans. Perilous combustion can apply up to 31 stacks. proof: https://youtu.be/rSWJLEfuqSI?si=LIuqwMiti6tsUUo5

[desert vault]

A lot of the new trees seem to be "Hey, do you want to be bad at something another class is good at?"

[fluid knot]

Nahh, only Psyker other than maybe the Vet melee tree

Though i dont think thats actually all that bad myself

[spice veldt]

scrier's gaze is quite worse than vet's ult since it's like if vet's ult made your magazine size decrease over time

which is quite a shame

[desert vault]

Vet melee tree is the one I'm thinking of. Going full-in on it didn't seem to get me to any breakpoints at all, but it did make me much, much worse at shooting

[cerulean cave]

from what I've played the Vet Melee tree is pretty solid

ngl

[spice veldt]

the crit talents are nice but you also have enough crit chance by default to just proc them

scrier's gaze seems like a holdover from when crit was more important

[fluid knot]

Aye, but you have the option to make an all rounder, if you go straight deep into the melee tree, well obviously you'll be decent in melee, but not good at shooting, thats elementary

[royal granite]

what does going straight down the middle get you?

[cerulean cave]

I've tried something similar. Going for the soulblaze perks and then the Psychic Vent, with Soulblaze, PLUS the left-most final perk is reeeally nice actually.

[royal granite]

ogryn channel seems normal

[desert vault]

My response to any claims about Vet Commando is that if I go straight down the sharpshooter tree my chainsword OHKs bulwarks, and if I go straight down the commando tree my chainsword OHKs bulwarks.

[cerulean cave]

what else do you expect from Ogryns?

[fluid terrace]

i dunno what that means but this is me so far

[desert vault]

Yeah discussing lunch is pretty normal in the Ogryn channel

[fluid terrace]

why are the pictures in reverse

[spice veldt]

it was me barry

[cerulean cave]

check the left Blitz and the left final perk

really dope interactions with soulblaze

[royal granite]

vet channel seemed kinda gloomy

[cerulean cave]

since you said burn

[fluid knot]

Correct

[royal granite]

mad about not being amazing at everything anymore i guess

[fluid terrace]

i saw, the eystone seemded lame

so i went the middle stone for sincreased shock bouncing

stun the entire horde

[cerulean cave]

also solid, but I think the left keystone has the soulblaze spread? unsure rn, 1 sec...

[compact cargo]

vets been gloomy again

[cerulean cave]

which works nicely for spreading soulblaze throughout a horde

even the ones you don't hit get DOT stacked, cause of the ones dying close to them

[fluid knot]

Its still a really good class, but a lot of people are suffering without Unwavering being thier crutch

[compact cargo]

Don't forget been forced out of psword

and a lot of months without having to learn ranged/melee

[fluid knot]

Is that the case? It took a small knock, but i dont see it being any less good

[cerulean cave]

ah nvm you got wildfire

[cerulean cave]

oh? Psword got nerfed? I genuinely didn't look at the entire patchnotes

[royal granite]

this is the same group that wailed and gnashed the first time it got nerfed too

psword nerf isn't even that bad, less first target damage

[naive sedge]

A very light touch for them to freak out over

[royal granite]

can't casually cleave ogryns anymore

[compact cargo]

First target damage, not bad, but veteran no longer has the stats to use a 2 dodge weapon

with horrible dodges and poor stam characteristic of vet

[fluid knot]

Oh yeah im aware, but the weapon itself barely changed

[cerulean cave]

fair, it really needed to be knocked down from being the non-plus-ultra for Vet

[naive sedge]

I was unclear what vets base stam was now. Is it still bad?

[compact cargo]

now people are encouraged into chsword

[fluid knot]

Its marginally less obnoxious now, but its still super strong

[compact cargo]

Base stam is not bad, it's the regen

[spice veldt]

1s stamina regen delay now

[compact cargo]

psyker has low base stam but has no issue with it

[naive sedge]

Yah I meant regen more correctly

[royal granite]

i ran shovel before the nerf and i'll continue to run shovel after it

[fluid knot]

Hell ye, Vet shovel is one of the most fun melee weapons in the game

[desert vault]

My chainsword ohks bulwarks with a charged heavy attack with no talent investment at all. idk what they changed.

[fluid knot]

I just wish Shouty could get it too

[compact cargo]

It didn't get touched

[royal granite]

they changed how rending works, could that be it?

[compact cargo]

similar case to hsword (lsword also solid)

[cerulean cave]

oh?

[royal granite]

oh i'm looking at the patch notes now, chainsword just does way more damage across the board it looks like

more finesse, better against various armour types

[desert vault]

It feels kind of silly now. Like it doesn't have any weight to it.

[raw drift]

The smite ability says that you should be able to charge it to do high damage, and if you don't charge it, it does low damage but high impact over time. But I seem to have no real difference in damage or impact, only spreading, if I charge. Do we know if it's intentional? or if it's a bug that causes the high damage state to just not exist

[cerulean cave]

I thought charging just speeds up the spreading tbh

[raw drift]

Yeah exactly

[fluid knot]

This is an old build, so likely changes are coming to the right click version of smite

Another patch menna be dropping in like 2w

[raw drift]

The description reads, and I quote "Unleash a torrent of Bio-lightning. Charge to deal high damage and high impact to an enemy, or channel a continuous stream that deals low damage but high impact over time, spreading between multiple enemies"

But that high damage state just doesn't exist it seems

[fluid knot]

Yeah give it a couple weeks, things are subject to change atm

[summer prairie]

Smite doesn't need much tweaking to be decent since you can just use it for a bit, release and immediately stagger/knockdown a ton of targets. The issue is everything else being so strong

But it probably still wouldn't be fun

[raw drift]

I really hope they fix that, cause as is, it makes it kinda useless. I only ever see people using crystals cause only carapace armor really stops those and that's pretty rare, and you rarely run into anything with a high enough amount of health for brain rupture to be significantly better

[fluid knot]

Smite is very strong, being able to lock down terrible situations that would otherwise be unsalvageable is really good

It just needs its damage option up an running

But yeah, Assail is also likely to be nerfed soon

[royal granite]

when 5 crushers spawn on me i'm pretty happy to have a lightning man around

it serves the same cc role it did when it was a staff

[summer prairie]

It's kind of like if you were using the old surge except you don't just keep channelling but rather knock targets down and then finish them off with your melee/range

[raw drift]

Except pretty much any big enemy is immune to it, and then the main alternative that people use, the crystals, can just kill a whole group of enemies faster than smite, and then brain rupture does a lot of damage, but is so slow that the situations where it's better than the crystals are kinda rare

[summer prairie]

Like I said, the alternatives are too strong

[fluid knot]

Only Monsters are immune to it, it just needs to ramp up to stunlock Oggies

[summer prairie]

but you can compare anything to assail and conclude it's trash

[cerulean cave]

only thing I've seen being more or less immune to Smite are mutants

[raw drift]

I do hope they enable the damage option soon. Assail is just too good at the moment honestly

[cerulean cave]

Smite locks down everything else

ofc

[fluid knot]

Even they're not, again takes time to ramp up

[cerulean cave]

also monstrosities

[royal granite]

assail is underwhelming to me, it's slow to deal with distant targets and can't handle the nightmare scenarios

[fluid knot]

Assail + Voidstrike are the two most likely to be hit with the nerf bat with the next patch

[cerulean cave]

I feel the same, ngl

Voidstrike I've seen do absolutely ridiculous dmg now

yea

[fluid knot]

It can entirely prevent the nightmare scenarios happening though

[still hearth]

What

[fluid knot]

Well, mostly anyway

[still hearth]

Assail lets you avoid the most annoying scenarios in the game rn

[fluid knot]

Its certainly got weakness' but they're not all that common in relation to how much output its capable of atm

[still hearth]

Aka the 50 gunners that wait for you to walk around the corner

And unlike Smite it actually kills things

[fluid knot]

Or the ten stack that spawns behind you in the library section on Sycorax

Smite doesnt need to kill stuff en masse tbf

Just lock down a room an everything can be killed by the team with absolute impunity

[still hearth]

For the things that the average smite user uses it

Then yes

Yes it should

[fluid knot]

Aye, but thats your average player who probably never goes higher than 4s

[still hearth]

I'm so tired of Smite users spamming it constantly when nothing bad is happening

[royal granite]

assail can't do anything about 5 carapace ogryns walking up on you in a tight space

[cerulean cave]

or just git gud with melee already and combine smite+charging.

just saying

[still hearth]

Just play the game

[cerulean cave]

for anyone making the "but d-d-damage!" argument for assail

XD

[fluid knot]

Smite has arguably the highest carry potential

[still hearth]

And Smite will just sit there crying in a corner

[raw drift]

I think smite should be able to kill entire groups of minor enemies with no problem instead of just making you sit there and watch them writhe in agony for ten years, then eventually explode

[royal granite]

smite stuns them

[still hearth]

Yeah

[fluid knot]

Nooo... Smite makes them sitting ducks

[still hearth]

And you then spend 15 minutes

Waiting for them to die

[fluid knot]

It doesnt matter how long youve gotta wait if they're not posing a threat

[still hearth]

But the sniper that spawned behind them is

[royal granite]

smite is good in that scenario for the same reason the old lightning staff was good in that scenario

[raw drift]

It does when you have something that ramps up your peril as fast as smite does. By the time you actually stunlock a bulwark with it, you're halfway to exploding or more

[fluid knot]

If you just wanna top frag all the time an need the dopamine hit of big killfeeds to feel like you're playing the game sure, Smite isnt for you, but its still very strong

[still hearth]

I don't disagree that it's strong

[royal granite]

you don't kill things with it, you disable high priority targets so your team can clear out the chaff without getting murdered

[still hearth]

I just think that its bad form to spam it

[fluid knot]

Ye that i agree with

[cerulean cave]

smite won't overload you. It auto triggers the stagger at 100% then you quell

[still hearth]

If it wasn't for the empower bug that would actually make the game harder

[cerulean cave]

you'd genuinely have to try to blow up, if you blow up with smite.

[fluid knot]

To blow up with Smite you need to swap to staff an start casting as soon as you cap out on Smite yeah

[raw drift]

Yeah, my point was less that you'd actually explode and more that you have to stop, which unstuns the enemies, and then after you quell you have to wait for it to ramp up again

[royal granite]

smite also has better range than the old staff doesn't it?

[fluid knot]

Its pretty idiot-proof

Idk about better range

[still hearth]

The bounces are longer but I think the actually latch on range is way shorter

Or rather

[royal granite]

either smite or the staff got their range buffed i don't remember which

[still hearth]

The bounces are near infinite

[cerulean cave]

had this talk last night...stagger gives you ~1 second of time, because of the stagger animation, before enemies will attack again

in ~2 seconds you're back at 50% peril

[fluid knot]

Best run with Shriek for that reason, let it cap, throw out shriek an then start locking again, if your team hasnt got round to killing the things you're stunlocking by then, its probably not even worth stunlocking them in the first place

[cerulean cave]

and already charged again

[royal granite]

anyway since smite isn't in your ranged weapon slot anymore you can actually stagger something and then swap to a weapon that CAN kill it

[boreal wave]

Kind of feel like everyone does so much damage now that smite isn't really needed. Like, bulwarks on damnation get one-shotted by krak grenades and other little class tricks even on damnation.

[fluid knot]

Its a shit situation save, all classes now have one

[royal granite]

the damage is a little wild across the board

[fluid knot]

Vet has an auto-revive, Zealot has funny relic that can push monsters off bridges, Ogg has the Taunt an Psyker has Smite

[royal granite]

but i'm sure they'll iron that out

make enemies a bit tougher hopefully

[still hearth]

It's funny to me because I found the auto revive is actually worse than the invis

[astral oracle]

Psyker also has d o m e

(50)

[fluid knot]

I honestly havent used the auto-revive yet, but i can see that being true yeah

[still hearth]

Invis build can get 2 people up easily in 6s

[astral oracle]

Yeah invis I’d say is better

[still hearth]

And with two charges you can also just not die while doing it

[boreal wave]

I like the direction of the update but, yeah, I feel like damage is so out of this world that there's not really a point to anything except a dps race.

[astral oracle]

vanessa shake my smite using hand

[still hearth]

I've had games where Smite was necessary but if we had all ran meta builds it wouldn't be.

[still hearth]

I'll assail you bish

[steel egret]

They are called furbies and they are adorable, zealot is the only class to have access to stone carved early product version.

[astral oracle]

assail this smite

[fluid knot]

You're not playing in a high enough setting then. Man i had one earlier on Hab where the end event was so ridiculous i dont think ive ever seen so many specials spawn

It was absolute carnage, everyone was playing to the best of their abilities an we still wiped, it was madness

[astral oracle]

Maelstrom has been the most fun I’ve had so far

[fluid knot]

Its so good now yeah

[still hearth]

Sometimes the game will just drop

[fluid knot]

Soooooo good

[still hearth]

20 crushers

Out of nowhere

And one spawns behind you

[boreal wave]

I play damnation. What, do I have to do shock troop gauntlet auroc in order for things to matter?

[still hearth]

[steel egret]

Ogryn can also pretend to own furby, by hauling around few rocks, but they are not genuine.

[astral oracle]

Last I played was before maelstrom

[still hearth]

Ye

[fluid knot]

Play Auric Maelstrom

You'll see why we got some added power

[potent echo]

Yep

[still hearth]

Tbh I haven't played Damnation lately

[fluid knot]

Anything less than that, you'll feel overpowered

[still hearth]

Maybe I should try it

[astral oracle]

Auric maelstrom I’d filled with funny

I’ve been sticking with heresy for Pubs

Damnation for 4s with friends

[boreal wave]

Sounds like a fumbled balancing job

[fluid knot]

Im just glad they're taking the right approach an balancing stuff for the hardest content, as it should be done

[royal granite]

idk i think the range is definitely better than the staff actually

[cerulean cave]

it is

[fluid knot]

Not at all, you balance stuff for the most difficult stuff a game offers, thats the correct way to balance a game

[potent echo]

They definitely reduced the regular damnation spawns by a little too much

It's not the builds, but regular damnation was over nerfed

[royal granite]

oops, i accidentally made the infinite smite glitch build

i don't even know how that bug works

[astral oracle]

Which one is the mission with the radio dish

[potent echo]

I guess it's good to make returning players feel at ease 🤷‍♂️

[astral oracle]

That mission sucks for smite for me at the end

Place is way too open

[fluid knot]

They're all basically different levels of training before you start doing hi-STG/Auric Maelstrom imo

Thats where the real game is

[wide summit]

almost a full stack of dart Psykers

[potent echo]

Auric is where you should quick play definitely

[boreal wave]

When only one difficulty matters in a co-op game - and even worse, one sub-difficulty to one difficulty - then that's a poor balancing job. Sorry.

[astral oracle]

I love when 4 snipers spawn far away at all 4 cardinal directions

[potent echo]

Regular hiint damnation should be baseline

[astral oracle]

Thanks maelstrom

[fluid knot]

One difficulty matters if thats what you're capable of playing. If not, well there is no shame in playing lower tiers

Not everyone wants to sweat at the highest possible level

An thats fine

[astral oracle]

Unlimited

power

[agile geode]

hmm for void staff, blazing spirit + surge, would the second attack also apply blaze stacks?
and is the surge attack a fully charged (or the same as original attack)

[potent echo]

I feel like they are only saying that because they got hard carried in one mission, maybe find one of those crayon eating pubs

[fluid knot]

Crits are predetermined, so both balls will proc the DoTs

[astral oracle]

I’ve seen many

[fluid knot]

If it crits anyway

[astral oracle]

Especially in heresy

tfw shotgun vet has to carry

[boreal wave]

Yeah. Like all my friends, who refuse to play higher tiers than malice and SOMETIMES heresy. But those difficulties are boring, because the difficulty is not well balanced across the different settings. It isn't a level curve. It's a cliff face.

[fluid knot]

There are a lot of those atm

[agile geode]

well both effects only works on crits, so jsut trying to make sure (dont have either blessing yet tho, first time using void staff)

[potent echo]

Damnation too easy, malice too hard

[fluid knot]

Well then play those settings with your pals, an play Maelstrom when you're not playing with them

Lower difficulties are designed to be, you know, less difficult

[boreal wave]

And they can be less difficult without being insultingly easy.

[fluid knot]

Sediton + Uprising = Daddy can i play?, Malice = Easy, Heresy = Normal, Damnation = Hard, Damnation+ = Very hard, Auric Maelstrom = Nightmare

[astral oracle]

Man it’s like when you get better at the game easier difficulties get
Easier

[fluid knot]

To use a scale similar to DOOM

Yeah pretty much that^

[astral oracle]

Crazy how that works

[boreal wave]

These lower difficulties don't prepare people for higher difficulties. Like, at all. Like I said, it's not anything close to a well-balanced learning curve.

[fluid terrace]

i agree with this

difficulty 3 is a million times easier than difficulty 4

[fluid knot]

They teach you all the mechanics you need to succeed in higher settings, thats what they're there for, the difficulty curve kicks in when you go from 3 to 4s

[fluid terrace]

i don't know the names

[boreal wave]

Malice to Heresy, Bearqueen.

[fluid terrace]

thank you

[fluid knot]

Increased enemy volume, need to prioritize threats an make decisions faster, an then those same skills are in more demand the higher you go

[fluid terrace]

malic is a cake walk compared to heresy

[boreal wave]

And no, they don't really. If they did, we'd see people transition more fluidly from malice to higher difficulties. Alas, they do not.

[royal granite]

heresy is pretty easy

[fluid knot]

Legit most of that is because people in Heresy are moving up from Malice an they're still wrapping thier heads round the difficulty jump

[royal granite]

someone called it the equivalent of normal, i agree with that

[potent echo]

The real difficulty comes with pubs

[royal granite]

that's right

[astral oracle]

Considering I started off with only playing uprising before I started actually putting in work to improving

[fluid knot]

Yeah.. pugs can be crazy mixed bags

[astral oracle]

and now heresy is also a cakewalk to me

[boreal wave]

Yeah, and like I said, the difficulty jumps aren't well balanced. That's just exacerbated by how much obscene damage people do now.

[astral oracle]

correct. down with pugs

I did this pre-tree update

[fluid knot]

Idk, i like the challenge of sometimes having to hard-carry, is fun

[astral oracle]

hell I did this pre-maelstrom update

[potent echo]

Play pubs, learn from good players (rare), practice carrying, you get better quickly

[fluid knot]

Be aware of whats going on at any given time too, dont tunnel vision on stuffs

[astral oracle]

People progress in games differently. Some are just shitters that stay in low difficulty and if that’s good for em so be it

I’ve gotten to where I’m at in a shorter time than some of my friends that are malice baseline difficulty while im clearing heresies without problem

[formal glade]

Is there somewhere I can look for what stats are best in slot for weapons and/or builds for the new skill tree system?

[fluid terrace]

can someone explain to me why malleus monstronum can only be done in a private game?

[fluid knot]

Because its not very well designed

[astral oracle]

skill trees, people have posted those in the buildnomicons of each respective chat

where you can find in the thread section

[potent echo]

Sadly no

But there's this

[boreal wave]

Yeah this turned into disparaging people who play lower difficulties. I really have no interest in that. That's not honest discussion.

[fluid knot]

It was one of those penances where people really struggled to do it in pugs so they made it private only

[ember needle]

guys what staf do you recomend if you want to use assail?

[fluid terrace]

weird

[potent echo]

https://youtu.be/qR1Et6qV1Qw?si=QjrbkeEienN3sAjX

[fluid terrace]

it just wanted the cool armor it has

[ember needle]

i have tried the surge but sadly not enough monster dps

[fluid knot]

Nah not at all, thats fine if people want to play in lower setting, but this game has a steep learning curve, thats just how it is mate

[royal granite]

it's also more fun to progress now since getting a good weapon isn't such a massive pain

[fluid knot]

I dont mind helping you get it with my Ogg if you want the armour

[potent echo]

Any staff is fine with assail

Trauma, void, purg or surge

[astral oracle]

pree much any staff that works for you is good for assail

cause you’re gonna be mostly using assail

[ember needle]

i feel like my team lacks monster dps - it takes waaaaaaaay to long to kill any of them 😦

[boreal wave]

Yes, and calling people stuck in lower difficulties "shitters" because the game's difficulties aren't well balanced is appropriate and mature. Hrm.

[potent echo]

Psyker has no boss damage

[formal glade]

I see, then is this the place to ask what kind of stats/perks/blessings I should be looking for on purgatus? I really like my current staff, but do want to push it a little further but dont want to waste the limited rerolls and what not

[potent echo]

Unless maybe duelling4 or voidstrike

[fluid knot]

Mate, you get shitters in Auric Maelstroms Its just a generic term, usually for someone lacking gamesense

[potent echo]

But then it's still mainly fake boss damage compared to whatever zealots and ogryns can do

[spice veldt]

yeah mk4 kills plogryn in 50 seconds which is like whatever

[astral oracle]

Crack cocaine grenade here

[fluid terrace]

i'd like that

[royal granite]

so how much harder are auric missions?

[astral oracle]

(thanks vets)

[fluid terrace]

how can we do that dorfus

[fluid knot]

High STG is a jump from normal Damn, Auric Maelstrom is the hardest the game offers

[potent echo]

High intensity feels calm, hishock is something you need to learn

[fluid knot]

We go into a heresy private game an find a monster

[cyan notch]

psyker doesnt really have an anti monster delete button

[potent echo]

Basically learn when to push forward and where specials tend to spawn

[fluid knot]

I keep the trash off you whilst you brainburst its head

[astral oracle]

I mean if you’re going in for the first time

[fluid knot]

Till it dies an you get the penance

[astral oracle]

It’s going to be a clusterfuck

[potent echo]

Also learn boss trigger points and don't push too far when a special wave hits

[fluid terrace]

let me swap my power to brain pop then

[tacit fractal]

any optimal talent path for Psyker and spesifically T5 difficulty? (Just got back into the game)

[fluid knot]

Arright, gimmie a few min, just gonna use the bog an get a cuppaT

[royal granite]

also are assassination missions still more or less doomed with pubbies?

[potent echo]

The simplest is assail and empowered psionics

[astral oracle]

Is malleus monstronum the brain burst on monstrosity one

[cyan notch]

chasm station is mostly still doomed

but magistrati is ez

[astral oracle]

eh
Arguably warp charge

[potent echo]

Venting shriek and warpcharges is also really strong

[tacit fractal]

Like the entire path from lvl 1 to 30 would be great

[potent echo]

Yes just go assail and then pick venting shriek and then pick empowered psionics

For details you can look up j_sat's video I posted here earlier

[fluid terrace]

mk

[royal granite]

i really like the shield but it feels a bit weak

[cold oasis]

????????????????

what

[fluid terrace]

i also have a few other quest i apaprently need to get to get the hat too but i don't really care i don't think

[astral oracle]

When I get back home I’m probably gonna go do assail dome warpcharge

So I can have

50 domes

[cold oasis]

that's imho the best build atm

[astral oracle]

Then compare it to my brain burst set up

[cold oasis]

Just bring Void/Smite staff for carapace elites

[austere estuary]

yay or nay from melk?

[astral oracle]

Don’t got a good void one yet so probably gonna use trauma instead

[royal granite]

i really hope we get some more enemy variety soon

[austere estuary]

I'm hoping for genestealers/cult

[fluid terrace]

genestealers would be col

[astral oracle]

you can steal deez n

[fluid terrace]

brain pop

[royal granite]

you're allowed to say nuts here, actually

[astral oracle]

[royal granite]

it's wild right?

[astral oracle]

I know but it’s funny when messages are cut off

[royal granite]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[astral oracle]

cause it means im dead

(God I wish I was dead)

[boreal wave]

The shield really does make some encounters much easier. Like that one with the interrogator in the room surrounded by windows that a bunch of snipers spawn to shoot through.

[astral oracle]

DOMES DOMES DOMES DOMES DOMES DOM

[royal granite]

i don't like how easily enemies can break your shield

[boreal wave]

My least favorite room in the entire game.

[royal granite]

wait a second, am i hangry?

yeah i haven't been eating, too much darktide, that explains it

the ogryns have the right idea

[fluid knot]

Dont ignore yer need fer rashuns pal

[fluid knot]

Aight ready, wana DM me your steamcode

[fluid terrace]

sure let me find that

i haven't added someone on steam in like 3 years

[fluid knot]

Lol, no worries

[astral oracle]

god I LOVE DOMES

MM

[royal granite]

HOW

[astral oracle]

warp charge bug

[royal granite]

ah

[astral oracle]

Warp charges seem to give you 75% cool-down instead of the intended 7.5

From what I see at least

[lavish comet]

I still prefer infinite smite^^

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[astral oracle]

Both serve different purposes

But yes infinite smite funny

One is to cc the fuck out of the enemy

One is to heal the fuck out of your team

[royal granite]

if smite did more damage to chaff i'd be all over it

[lavish comet]

Both shield you from enemies

[astral oracle]

God I love 500 toughness/sec

[cyan notch]

nice balls bro

[astral oracle]

thanks homie. you too

Smite does enough damage to chaff for my purposes

Seeing things just pop eventually

Don’t you love electro-shock therapy

[royal granite]

did they make a new throneside mission?

i don't think there was an archivum sycorax the last time i played

[neat verge]

Relatively new map, but it's been around for a while

[uneven drift]

So you haven't played about 5 months i guess.

[still hearth]

Is it dome

Dome is bugged

Any warp charge is 100% cdr on it

[astral oracle]

Oh is it dome the one that’s causing it

Not the warp charges itself

is the interaction correct on the other abilities

[still hearth]

Yeah warp charges work as normal on Shriek and don't work on Scrier'#

[astral oracle]

Ah

[still hearth]

Idk if it works on other shields normally tho

[grizzled shoal]

which dueling sword is better? they all seem the same

[astral oracle]

Thanks obese selachimorpha

[cyan notch]

sela what

[astral oracle]

fatshark

[formal hill]

Fatshart

[summer prairie]

the new surge is actually kind of satisfying

The peril gen doesn't matter much, even kind of good for AB

[formal hill]

Smite is the best ability and I'll never use anything else unless empowered psionicq gets nerfed

[royal granite]

alright i just did a mission with 3 psykers, i will admit the assail storm is maybe in slight need of adjustment

[lavish comet]

Yes, you are in search of enemies to kill with 3 Assail Psykers in Team...

[royal granite]

don't get me wrong

i was one of the assail psykers

we were playing on D4, team comp was ogryn, two assail psykers and a smite

i'd hate to have been the ogryn, think he was built for horde clear

[zinc phoenix]

Void is so dumb

Literally chaingunning high damage stun balls

Across the map

This guy was doing the assail psyker thing and I got bored so I just started mass nuking and he was like “wtf”

[wide summit]

void+assail is funny

[lavish comet]

And setting everything ablaze on special-Kill

[lucid horizon]

every psyker build right now

[spice veldt]

god bless perilous combustion

[lavish comet]

Is anyone using "Disrupt Destiny"?

[zinc phoenix]

I’m doing void/smite/shriek/warp charges

Psyker is so strong right now you don’t have to use boring stuff like assail

Don’t even have to use void

[lavish comet]

vaoid+assail/smite
don't underestimate mega-stun without peril

[wide summit]

do shield buffs stack

[lucid horizon]

we will get a nerf soon

[barren atlas]

Can I use earn blessing on Surge from trauma staff, then re-bless it on Voidstrike?

[zinc phoenix]

Using empowered smite is too cheesy for me

I’ve been working on the flow for non bugged smite

Hence warp charges

It’s still strong in Damnation