psyker-class

[lament sparrow]

because it does

[true lake]

technically its the only long range staff, both LMB and RMB go long range

[spice veldt]

rmb generates 25% peril

[honest frigate]

It uses peril when you launch a shard

[potent echo]

Actually what's the new weakest staff

[true lake]

everything else just has the LMB bolt or no bolt at all

[lament sparrow]

yeah, and aiming uses more peril

[potent echo]

Inb4 surge again

[honest frigate]

Then dont aim with it, its not that useful

[true lake]

weakest staff rn, probably trauma

[lament sparrow]

10% vs 25%

[vapid canopy]

Easiest way to complete the pick n mix penance?

[true lake]

havent heard anyone using it anymore

[honest frigate]

I only do it against snipers

[potent echo]

Don't let arco see that

[plucky flax]

You're tripping trauma got big buff. 💀

[left mirage]

surge bussin

[spice veldt]

i saw it

[worn cypress]

lol fighting words

[true lake]

well i sure as hell havent heard anyone using it

[spice veldt]

i is using it

[honest frigate]

All staves got a buff except maybe surge

Surge is a weird single target weapon now

[true lake]

surge got a redesign entirely

[worn cypress]

I like the new surge

[plucky flax]

I'm doing 500k+ damage in 30 mins easily with trauma.

[spice veldt]

I don't remark on it since i don't ever recommend non-meta stuff to people

[true lake]

its pretty good at what it does, just a subjective thing

[potent echo]

Surge got a ("[buff]")

It's funny shocking a gunner from 25m away and killing it though

[spice veldt]

does voidstrike go through crushers?

[lament sparrow]

smite looks way too cool to do so little damage

[true lake]

it doesnt go through them no

but it does massive damage to them at least

[summer prairie]

it goes through one

[true lake]

i havent had it go through them at all

do you have a certain blessing or something?

[honest frigate]

In a ideal world it would do 2x more damage but i know thats probably not happening

[spice veldt]

hmm then maybe trauma would be competitive with the void on melee maelstrom

[honest frigate]

Not everything has to be competitive

[spice veldt]

i'm aware

[potent echo]

Void paniks when they are 5 crushers on top on them

[spice veldt]

but I personally don't care about non-meta stuff

[true lake]

i feel smite is ok damage wise

[potent echo]

From trauma users, it's just a Tuesday

[true lake]

you got the original BB, your CC option, and your damage option

feels like it generally fits what other classes got blitz wise

[round charm]

how do you guys feel about axes?

[potent echo]

Combat axe good, haven't tried them all though

[true lake]

not bad at all but i feel psykers have some better options for assassin

up to preference really

[summer prairie]

All or nothing pretty nice now on axes

[plucky flax]

Combat axe is still really good on zealot. I never ran it on psyker.

[round charm]

antax or achlys?

[honest frigate]

Combat axes generally do good single target damage and even work really well against carapace

[true lake]

its relatively the same but psykers just got some more options

[honest frigate]

Theyre just boring to me so i dont often use them

[plucky flax]

Antax.

[round charm]

i have enough horde tools, but I want to be able to reliably murder ogryn quickly, and the base damage numbers seem fat

[honest frigate]

Anthrax.

[primal radish]

scriers gaze and warp siphon not working together properly? my cd is the same after using gaze

[plucky flax]

Rashad sucks now with bm nerf cos you have to do a lot of push attack and the rashad push attack is bad.

[honest frigate]

Isnt rashad the starter weapon anyways

[plucky flax]

If you only use your axe for single target tho then rashad is better cos faster heavies.

[honest frigate]

The one lvl 1 zealots get

Or psykers

[true lake]

zealots get an axe im pretty sure

[potent echo]

Anthax got a buff to finesse damage too

Also better lights

[true lake]

not sure on psykers, i heard someone say they got a duelling sword

[honest frigate]

Not as a lvl 1 iirc

[plucky flax]

Wut antax has no finesse modifier and the lights are indentical between antax and rashad.

[honest frigate]

But their duelling swords are good

[potent echo]

Duelling4 is the new elite killer

[true lake]

yeah duelling 4 is crazy

[potent echo]

But horde clear is not so good

[honest frigate]

My Mk IV can reliably deal with elites

[true lake]

horde clear is trash and it isnt really made for armor

[honest frigate]

My Assail and purgatus in question:

[true lake]

but it can screw up some stuff lol

[spice veldt]

uncanny strike 😎

[potent echo]

Yea I run with that setup too

[true lake]

yeah uncanny strike makes it better against armor at least

[worn cypress]

duelling is a great mobility stick as well

[spice veldt]

crusher two-shot with the mk4 babeeee

[fresh reef]

in case you needed more of a reason to not run smite, dueling sword special attack can stunlock mutants

kek

[potent echo]

Just in case someone wants to run surge staff, I wouldn't recommend duelling

[honest frigate]

If you got good base stats it even deals with armor quite well

[plucky flax]

Antax on zealot

[honest frigate]

Throw in some rending blessings and youre fine

[spice veldt]

also fyi Cleave Damage is basically useless on the duelling swords because it's bugged to only affect Unarmoured and Infested damage for the moment

[lament sparrow]

is it me or are the cosmetics for psyker really.... meh?

[true lake]

nah not just you

[spice veldt]

if any of you have mk4 duelling swords that would've been perfect if not for the Cleave Damage stat, go and grab that shit

[true lake]

the packs for psyker always feel meh to me

[lament sparrow]

like i so want to buy cool cosmetics but there's basically none...

[honest frigate]

You mean the premium ones?

[lament sparrow]

yeah

[true lake]

some of the individual pieces are great though, i bought the trader hat and leather rebreather

[compact cargo]

blue armor that came a while back is the only good one

[honest frigate]

Cause penance cosmetics are badass

[lament sparrow]

i still have my aquila from the premiume dition lol nothing worth buying

[honest frigate]

Its better this way than if it were other way around atleast

[compact cargo]

we got penance cape

[potent echo]

They didn't fix one thing with axes though

[true lake]

nah i like the penance pieces tbh

[potent echo]

The utterly horrid maniac damage on heavies

[true lake]

especially the hats

[inner fern]

level 300?

[pale matrix]

which blitz abilities do you guys reckon will be nerfed?

[true lake]

well i know for sure they are going to fix the infinite smite thing

[ornate hamlet]

Good idea, thanks. Does it have best in slot blessings?

[true lake]

i dont think brain rupture is too powerfu or anything

[honest frigate]

Assail

Brain rupture needs better base damage, genuinely

[true lake]

assail i think it needs to have the ammo system reworked, its too easy to have near infinite ammo

[pale matrix]

how do you reckon they'll nerf it? I'm kind of worried they're going to gut it so its worse than BB

[ornate hamlet]

Assail does bupkiss to big guys though

[honest frigate]

God i hope not

[true lake]

i dont think its too powerful, i think its mainly just the fact you can use it almost constantly with how you can abuse the ammo system with empowered

[honest frigate]

They will probably reduce the ammo cap or recharge rate.... Or both

[spice veldt]

i'd nerf either one or a combination of its ammo regen, max ammo count, aim assist, and/or making its upgrade nodes lock each other out

[true lake]

so hordes become trivial

[ornate hamlet]

If they follow From Software's example, they won't nerf it, they'll just make other things just as viable

[honest frigate]

Nothing wrong with that honestly, empowered has to have some use still, no?

[spice veldt]

they have playtesters so the balance will probably get better over time

unlike previously before

[pale matrix]

why would they follow from software's example? AFAIK, the two companies aren't linked at all together

[limber heath]

i mean if it gets longer CD or something so that people actually need to use other weapons it would still be good just more like a BB where you take it out when you need it

[true lake]

of course not but with how empowered works with assail it gives you the ability to basically constantly use assail ammo wise

and at that point the only limiting factor is peril which you can get down lower with some talents

[ornate hamlet]

They aren't, but no one said you can't observe the successful balancing of another company. From Soft is getting huge praise for its recent AC6 PvP Balancing patch.

They didn't nerf too much, they just made other things better - being able to compete with what was the huge meta.

[honest frigate]

Im just worried Assail may become a gimmick ability after nerfs

Its a good offensive Blitz, but nothing more

It doesnt even do dmg to carapace

[compact cargo]

crits do

[ornate hamlet]

I actually think it'd be better to call for the buffing of other thigns instead of nerfing what works. If we can get BB buffed and Lightning buffed a bit...

[pale matrix]

Do you guys think non-empowered psionics assail is nerf-worthy?

[bold patrol]

Heresy Detected

[spice veldt]

uncanny strike assail
hand-cannon assail

[true lake]

my main thing is that i feel darktide falls into the same trap some of these games go into where it feels you are basically forced to use overpowered stuff or certain exploits to actually get somewhere in higher difficulty gameplay

[compact cargo]

Issue is vet is struggling to get onto psyker dps

[limber heath]

i feel like that's definitely not the case

[worn cypress]

assail is nerfworthy, tho

[spice veldt]

assail more than works

[ornate hamlet]

Fair enough.

[honest frigate]

Thats what i want but being the pessimist that i am it feels theyre gonna nerf shit instead of fixing what already works

[ornate hamlet]

You can still buff the others and tone down assail though.

[compact cargo]

I disagree as a melee psyker enjoyer

[worn cypress]

right now it feels like might as well say it has infinite ammo

which is a little dumb

[limber heath]

like yea the stronger stuff makes higher difficulty easier but basically anything with good blessings works fine

[lament sparrow]

does left click smite do more damage than charge?

[ornate hamlet]

Btw, what's best in slot for perks for this weapon? I was suggested to replace crit dmg.

[true lake]

probably just bad experiences on my end but from what i noticed you are basically screwed if you arent using some meta crap

[ornate hamlet]

And are the blessings the best ones?

[spice veldt]

yeah, teammates can vary wildly

[compact cargo]

It's back to the nerf vet issue, you'd have to buff most of the vet tree and 1/3 of the zealot tree to compare damage wise to psyker with assail

[spice veldt]

and bringing out the meta stuff can just let you carry all the time

[honest frigate]

No

[worn cypress]

skill issue 😛

[compact cargo]

It's easier to nerf the outlier and maybe buff bb

[worn cypress]

I bring meme builds to auric all the time

[wet belfry]

Zealot actually looks insane this patch from my perspective

[ornate hamlet]

I wasn't focusing on other classes, just other options for the psyker.

[spice veldt]

yeah, i heard from crab that zealot got some good stuff

[compact cargo]

Balance in vacuum bad

[spice veldt]

apparently zealot and ogryn are the two that stand at the very top

whereas psyker is still up there and vet is whatever

[worn cypress]

huge fan of zealot update, feels like you finally can play like a zealot

[plucky flax]

Zealot loner aura is top tier.

[ornate hamlet]

I'm having a hard time with ogryn, now that veterans don't use scavenger anymore.

[true lake]

im just glad i can more comfortably play with actual builds instead of just 3 choices every 5 levels

[spice veldt]

ogryn's fire bullet seem to be putting out some insane fuckin work

gr8 damage against everything and including bosses

[worn cypress]

bullgryn gun lugger meta build is insane right now

[wet belfry]

I think if i was to switch to zealot rn i would make my psyker look bad.

[compact cargo]

crayon eaters

[true lake]

yeah dakka build on ogryn be crazy

[ornate hamlet]

wat?

[wet belfry]

Knife special on zealots insta kills all specials expect mutants

[spice veldt]

the special?

[compact cargo]

Vets are avoiding it because that perk forces them to pick 2 meh choices in their tree

[runic hornet]

...the punch?

[spice veldt]

what in the world

[wet belfry]

Ye

[compact cargo]

No one values it apparently

[runic hornet]

how

[spice veldt]

holy shit

[ornate hamlet]

Should I swap Crit damage for unyielding on a Warp Nexus Surge voidstrike?

[wet belfry]

Throwing knifes

[spice veldt]

o

[ornate hamlet]

Oh, I go for Chad Veteran build... Let me pull it up.

[runic hornet]

oh

[worn cypress]

lmao

[runic hornet]

i thought you meant the knife special action punch

[wet belfry]

“Blitz” not special

[runic hornet]

that would have been hilarious

[true lake]

i feel both are pretty good but crit damage definitely overall better imo

[ornate hamlet]

Crit dmg is best here?

[true lake]

seeing as those two blessings rely on frequent crits

[runic hornet]

crit damage is completely excessive on voidstrike but tbh everything is

[ornate hamlet]

Like maybe I should put flak on it?

[runic hornet]

you can use a grey

still obliterate everything

[spice veldt]

hmm

what's the crit dmg multiplier on current vstrike

[ornate hamlet]

idk

[spice veldt]

pretty decent

hmm

[true lake]

i mean yeah crit damage might be excessive but we love excess

[spice veldt]

would I put +10% crit dmg on it

[solar arch]

Anyone mess around with the right part of the tree on psyker? Haven't tried it yet but in theory it looks like it's some kind of steroid that turns you into a mini-zealot for some time? Or vet, if you bring a gun.

[true lake]

i messed with it a little bit when update first dropped and didnt like how scrier's gaze felt

[spice veldt]

the right side is nice, but Scrier's Gaze is kind of a sore spot for it

I run mostly the right side but I take the shield instead

[true lake]

when your weapon already one shots just about everything horde wise, it feels kind of unnecessary

unless you are using your weapon to go after specials right after

[spice veldt]

and I go for Empowered Psionics instead of disrupt destiny

[ornate hamlet]

Here's my chad veteran.

[compact cargo]

FINALLY

[solar arch]

Well damn, somehow had a feeling that shield or even push would just feel better lol.
Did anything change weapons wise? I was running Illis with whatever staff I felt like(I think it was mostly Trauma? The one that staggered everything with a mini explosion). That stuff still okay?

[compact cargo]

Someone does the chad instead of the chud

[ornate hamlet]

We need to have Vent Scream with the Scrier's gaze.

[true lake]

the weapons got balanced around a bit

[spice veldt]

still fine, but some other stuff got a buff (trauma also got a bump up to its damage)

[compact cargo]

Careful if you use assail and the right side of psyker tree

[spice veldt]

MK4 duellies have some pretty cracked damage on their heavies currently

[compact cargo]

easy to blow up

[true lake]

trauma got slight upgrade but not too different at all from what it was

[austere burrow]

Which one was mk4 again

[spice veldt]

i blew up about 5-7 times on my first game with the right side w/ scrier's gaze

[spice veldt]

it has two stab heavies

[true lake]

voidstrike got absolutely cracked as soon as the update dropped

[honest frigate]

Scriers gaze is the most boring ability ive ever seen

[austere burrow]

Oh that one

Sick

[true lake]

purgatus stayed pretty much the same i think

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/77q3s6

[honest frigate]

Damage increased slightly across the whole board

[spice veldt]

crusher 2-shot babeee

[honest frigate]

Easier to deal with hordes

[solar arch]

Looks like staves got some love in general, thanks for the info.

[compact cargo]

no,

[honest frigate]

It is

[solar arch]

Gonna have to try them all out as if I've never used them before.

[true lake]

surge is just different altogether

[austere burrow]

WTF that crusher damage

[spice veldt]

a simple "press F to be cool" ult is always nice, but the peril gen just makes it very eh

[true lake]

i like it tbh but some people dont

[solar arch]

Surge is the lightning one right?

[true lake]

yeah

[spice veldt]

the mk4 heavies now have basically the same damage as deimos h2 heavies

and they buffed rending% and changed how it works, so uncanny strike is stronger

[true lake]

that video triggers me that you aimed at the head of the mauler lol

[austere burrow]

[true lake]

i just get too used to aiming at their flak armor on chest

[austere burrow]

Lots of weapons for me to buy lol

[spice veldt]

yeah, esp with illisi

but god bless uncanny strike

fyi, Cleave Damage on the mk4 duelling sword is bugged

[solar arch]

Scrolled around and surge seems like a single target option now? I guess it'd pair well with the lightning blitz for crowd control or something along those lines.

[spice veldt]

it only scales Unarmoured and Infested damage but not Flak

so if you've got a nice duelling sword if not for its Cleave Damage, grab that shit and run with it

[true lake]

surge staff is pretty good at actual damage now

seen people use it on armored enemies

[wicked badge]

Great news

[safe sun]

Whats everyone think of the new lightning ability? Seems pretty zdps, even compared to old surge staff.

[true lake]

the smite? really good crowd control

crap damage

[wicked badge]

You mean smite ?

[true lake]

also really good at quickly stopping a rushing enemy

[solar arch]

I played very little with bio lightning blitz but it's pretty great so long as you don't get left alone with a bunch of elites lol. Trivializes dog hordes too.

[honest frigate]

It just doesnt help that smite both sounds lame (like weak static electricity) and has no damage (almost)

And its a tad bugged

Wondering when will a hotfix drop

[safe sun]

Also left click and charged right click with it seem exactly the same to me

[true lake]

i got to admit though i do get a dopamine rush when i use assail on a pox hound modifier and see the chat just get spammed with my username

[honest frigate]

so true

I know from experience

[ornate hamlet]

I do love watching hordes evaporate into smoke with the purple lighting though.

[autumn smelt]

you cant hear him say it in this video but he said "there is? i dont hear one"

[honest frigate]

Visuals on smite are cool but you rarely ever get to see the enemies explode into a red mist given how weak the blitz is damagewise

[safe sun]

^

[honest frigate]

Personally i feel like smite should remain a stunlock thing but have reduced peril generation and high damage against hordes

[ornate hamlet]

YOu do if you get a mass horde.

[honest frigate]

Weak damage against everything else

[steel flame]

I get extremely large dopamine rush when I hit the f button with scrier With my las pistol and suddenly I'm going 55% faster and everything is suddenly dead in front of me as a race forward. Followed by a severe crash when I forget I just pressed f, use assail and immediately blow myself up

[safe sun]

I just cant think of a scenario where I'd rather use smite over doing just about anything else. Stunlock by itself isn't really enough, even old surge would at least kill a couple things with each charge in a horde

[ornate hamlet]

True, but good CC

[honest frigate]

That way Smite will excel at CC and dealing with poxwalkers and groaners while Assail can both delete hordes and specialists but not do CC

And brain rupture should just be a dedicated specialist elite killer

[ornate hamlet]

The only thing smite can't CC is monstrosities.

[true lake]

literally what happened to me when i first used it lmao

[honest frigate]

Yes im aware

[north cradle]

Brain Rupture isn't even as powerful as it was before the patch

[steel flame]

Muscle memory is a bitch

[spice veldt]

Assail doesn't necessarily have instantaneous wide-area stagger for a long period, but the stagger it dishes out is still pretty good

[honest frigate]

Ive seen a zealot use the relic heal ability against a monstrosity and it got fucking STUNLOCKED

[true lake]

i got too used to F being my get out of jail free card

[north cradle]

Emperor protects

[honest frigate]

Yes

[safe sun]

If you build into it, brain rupture is better than before, but that requires taking the center keystone

[steel flame]

It's hard to undo a years worth of programming

[true lake]

i am curious what would happen if you use one of the other F abilities while you are about to blow up though

does it just ignore the F press or does it activate but not do anything, etc

[austere burrow]

Nothing happens

You just die lol

[true lake]

rip

[spice veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886742356529922172/1145863884545204335/attachment.gif

[steel flame]

But yeah, my crit build with scrier assail and laspistol is just absurd. I'm hitting 300k damage before 1/3 through a mission

[true lake]

why assail with it

just a way to deal with hordes or something?

[steel flame]

It's fast paced and perfect for destiny

[true lake]

fair

[steel flame]

So I'm always keeping stacks up

Which means I stay fast

[true lake]

just got to be careful with it combined with scrier

[austere burrow]

I imagine when you have scrier popped you just blast with the pistol

Assail would be good during downtime

[steel flame]

Only use scrier with laspistol or diemos

55% crit chance on las is just stupid

[true lake]

i want to see if i can make a decent scrier build to try it out a bit more seriously

i just didnt get the point of it at first because my deimos already one shots basic fodder

[steel flame]

My only problem is I have a hard time telling when scrier has expired cause sometimes it looks like it's going down after 100 but it was just battle meditation proccing and I go boom

[steel flame]

I find the speed boost to be exceptional. And the constant crits means you are just in a perpetual state of empathetic evasion

[true lake]

i guess i just dont have much of a dodge mindset to make use of the speed boost

crits definitely a plus though

[sonic latch]

y'all think they will nerf the psykers ability to block with peril? you can nearly infinitely tank a Daemonhost with it

[summer prairie]

the combat knife is probably pretty funny too with scrier and bleed got buffed

[true lake]

i never heard about peril block infinitely blocking a demon host, wat

[sonic latch]

yep

[quiet galleon]

worth picking up right?

[true lake]

pretty worth it imo

[steel flame]

You get the speed from the crits, the speed from the scrier, ranged immunity from crits and you are getting more toughness Regen from crits too so you can kinda go into a frenzy state

[sonic latch]

you have to have your F ability set to the one that quells half of your peril and if you do you can dodge and block just about forever

[steel flame]

And if you take destiny you are getting more crit damage and even more speed

[dusk sierra]

how long y'all charging voidstrike for? my voidstrike charge rate is 78% but you gotta charge it for more than a split second, right? or just spam secondary shot all day

[true lake]

i charge it for a second or so at least

as long as you charge it a little bit

[dusk sierra]

yeah seems like it gets massively better for relatively little more charge

[spice veldt]

charging it also scales the amount of cleave the ball has

[dusk sierra]

yee

[true lake]

yeah mainly for the cleave

[dusk sierra]

voidstrike fucking rips right now

like lol

[true lake]

it wont do the funny one shot on crusher unless you charge it well

[dusk sierra]

enjoying being OP but man

[limber heath]

which is dump on void staff

quell?

[true lake]

on void staff i personally dont care about quell or warp resist

warp resist you want a decent amount but doesnt need to be super high

[summer prairie]

the terrifying barrage got a pretty significant buff, don't think that was documented. There's no more suppression falloff based on distance and the distance was buffed by 75% and the amount too. Maybe it does something now

[limber heath]

ya cuz you're just gonna shoot it a few times right 🤔

[true lake]

i dont usually use it for DPS

i use it for focusing down crushers or stuff like that

as long as the warp resist isnt super low you should be fine

[spice veldt]

difference between 80% and 60% quell speed for quelling from 100% to 0% is 0.5 seconds (if quelling stuff is the same pre-patch), so it's whatever

but I do like my quell speed if I decide to hang out at high peril and suddenly need to go down

[true lake]

just never had an issue with quell speed in general

but it can help in a pinch

[summer prairie]

it mostly matters in the sense that you quell more per tick, so if you only have to quell for one tick instead of two to get your next full charge void/trauma shot, it's ok

so isn't that 22.5% crit

[spice veldt]

warp nexus is 4 stacks right

[summer prairie]

I forgot what it is now

after they changed it ages ago

[spice veldt]

if it's the same as unstable power, then it should be 4 stacks

[summer prairie]

well then it's also wrong

since the notes said 20% max

[primal radish]

warp siphon with 1 warp charge is giving me 100% ult cdr on shield?

is this a bug lol

[fading yew]

I love the roleplay of Disrupt Destiny. Emperor says "fuck this guy in particular."

Do kills made with mundane weapons during Scrier's Gaze contribute to Soulstealer?

[pale matrix]

5% toughness DR or +15 toughness?

[spice veldt]

+15 toughness unless you are heavily relying on coherency regen for some reason

[drowsy slate]

Is there a web based build generator with the new talent trees?

[spice veldt]

in the case where you are going from 105 -> 120 toughness then +15 toughness is still better; the individual toughness DR nodes also stack multiplicatively, so with 3x +5% toughness DR nodes, you get (1 - 0.05)^3 DR from it

[spice veldt]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[drowsy slate]

Would like to fiddle around a little

Thanks mate

[fading yew]

Rephrasing this question because it's phrased badly. Do kills with mundane weapons during Scrier's Gaze count as Warp Attack Kills?

[summer prairie]

I haven't tried but the chance is essentially 0

[regal surge]

Hey, is their anyone who can help me out with getting cliffhanger?

[crimson spear]

what is a good mele weapon?

[autumn smelt]

do you want a long list or do you want to narrow down what kind of melee weapon youre wanting, single target or horde clearing

[crimson spear]

horde clearing would be nice thank you

[autumn smelt]

illisi is the best psyker horde clearing melee weapon

[crimson spear]

and for single target?

what do you recomend?

[vapid canopy]

Been grinding psyker level to unlock higher paying missions

So close yet so far

[autumn smelt]

deimos force sword due to its attack patterns including lots of high damage stabs as well as a charged up warp attack that you stick to someone and blast them full of damage, or the dueling swords due to their heavy attack stabs being really really good

[old aurora]

dueling swords are also decent against hordes

[autumn smelt]

but its not their main role

[old aurora]

ofc not ya

[limber heath]

yea i've been really surprised by dueling swords rn for horde clear. given the preview says single target attacks iirc.

i mean i think they are single target

but they're so fast that it doesn't matter for hordes that aren't super fucked

[old aurora]

exactly

[autumn smelt]

they cleave a little

[limber heath]

oh do they? shit

[autumn smelt]

but nowhere near other weapons

[limber heath]

probably not enough to kill much

[autumn smelt]

yeah

[spice veldt]

still can only do 2 max really

[true lake]

they are kind of like deimos in their horde clear, not at all specializing in it but pretty decent at it when needed

[spice veldt]

and since groaners got their hitmass buffed

[true lake]

you are better off having an actual horde clear tho

[limber heath]

what does "finesse damage" mean

[spice veldt]

hmm, can deimos lights hit the oneshot on groaners/poxwalkers now (with buffs)?

[autumn smelt]

with dueling swords your best bet against hordes is to just constantly reposition

[limber heath]

weakspots?

[spice veldt]

crits, weakspots, and critical weakspot hits

[old aurora]

I forgot which mark it was, but I think the MK V has the best pattern against hordes?

[limber heath]

ahh cool

aside from that one rending blessing what's the other one for duellies

[autumn smelt]

i personally like the mk4

the mk 4 has diagonal lights, and only surprisingly fast stabs for heavies

also has insane dodge distance

[summer prairie]

mkII heavy 2 has more cleave so despite the lower damage, I guess it can situationally be better. Maybe l1 - l2

[old aurora]

oh yeah it might be that one im thinking of

[spice veldt]

oh right they buffed the duelling sword lights to be fairly similar to force swirds

[old aurora]

the upwards diagonal cuts on lights ya?

[autumn smelt]

its kinda weird

[shadow flint]

Making a new psyker so i can have ZE GERMAN VOICE

[autumn smelt]

it does 1 diagonal upward attack, then continues a chain of repeating downward lefts and rights

[limber heath]

you can stab real fast with the mk4 given no attack speed on psyker

[autumn smelt]

it only does 1 upward attack when you start the combo

[crimson spear]

and about the curios? what do i want on muh boi 😄

[true lake]

yeah, at least it does for me just fine

[autumn smelt]

no one can agree on them since it all comes down to personal preference and what you value more

[primal radish]

does anyone know that warp charge gives you 100% cdr back on shield ult??

[true lake]

as long as you aim for heads generally

[autumn smelt]

i personally run 1 wound and 2 health

[old aurora]

I just use my duelling sword and it words. dont really look at it anymore

[autumn smelt]

everyone does

[primal radish]

oh god wtf lmao this is broken

[old aurora]

curious what your guys opinion on the staffs are. I absolutely adore the speed of the conflag stag now (couldve been an earlier change but I havent played in ages)

[crimson spear]

so mk2 or mkIV ?

[spice veldt]

mk4 has the best single-target currently

https://streamable.com/77q3s6

[autumn smelt]

another example of "the voidstrike staff is kinda decent atm i think"

[teal needle]

Like... It's fine? You gotta kill 6 elites or specials to get it back. And you lose out on the 20%+ flat damage bonus from your warp stacks until you get em back

It's good it's just probably one of the less busted things we got this patch haha

[autumn smelt]

no its actually bugged

1 warp charge fully refunds the shield

[old aurora]

I honestly dont get why the staff is how it is atm...

it feels like you literally dont need anything else

[shadow flint]

Cept crystals

Need me crystals

[old aurora]

oh yeah, they fit nicely in my pocket

while I shoot everything ded with the staff

[crimson spear]

this good?

[novel stratus]

356 for base rating is pretty good

[autumn smelt]

Pretty well rounded
Ideally you'd want mobility lower so your other stats are higher on a roll of 360+, but unless you're dead set on using this sword already or have tons of materials and money to spend to get a better one, this will do perfectly fine

[spice veldt]

you can also afford to dump Cleave Damage since it's bugged to only affect unarmoured and infested

[autumn smelt]

Tho tbh what else would you be cleaving tho

[crimson spear]

honestly i have no idea what is 'ton' i havent playid in ages.

[novel stratus]

[limber heath]

how relevant y'all thinkthis is

[patent citrus]

Guys I have an important question

[regal surge]

Hey is there anyone who could help me out with cliffhanger? Is it even possible in pubs? I can’t find a spot that where my team doesn’t generously kill the everyone for me

[autumn smelt]

Very

If you're using ep, you want that

[fluid terrace]

is the psyker sheild good? i'm trying to replicate my fire psyker build from before and im a little lost haha

[novel stratus]

the shield is my favorite ability rn

[autumn smelt]

It's best to do it in a private game at the start of chasm logistratum, wait for a horde, bait them to that side bridge, walk to the other side and ult them off

[ornate hamlet]

With this setup, you only need to make headshots, you can choose to activate it for boss fights, but just running and gunning gets you the passive for free.

[regal surge]

I can’t do private without two people unfortunatly

[limber heath]

shield good yea. technically venting shriek has the one soulblaze node for the real fire build

[fluid terrace]

oh i see

[autumn smelt]

Yeah, you would need someone for it, pub matches is fruitless for that one

[limber heath]

but tbh 1-6 stacks of soulblaze is probably hardly worth it

[autumn smelt]

Nope

[novel stratus]

soulblaze still being bad hurts me

[patent citrus]

But is there any fire class prioritized tech tree in the game?

[limber heath]

nope as in i'm wrong or nope as in yes

[autumn smelt]

Very worth it since you'd almost always be at 80+ peril when you do

[fluid terrace]

i really liked my fire

[autumn smelt]

And it's just free damage

[limber heath]

mm okay

[autumn smelt]

If you have wildfire, that spreadable a decent bit

[regal surge]

Well if anyone on can help me out with cliffhanger dm me, I’d appreciate it, I’m on Xbox I’m not sure if you can invite cross play but yeah, cheers

[limber heath]

just go down the left-ish side of the tree and you should be fine (until keystones then you can prob go whatever)

[autumn smelt]

And if you kill an elite and have perilous combustion (which you shoulc regardless of build), you can add some more flames to the fire
The damage per tick goes up much higher per stack than the last, so having lots of stacks on an enemy is going to be exponentially better than a few

[limber heath]

warp charges buff fire right

[autumn smelt]

Yes, they buff all damage

They just wouldn't buff the flames from venting shriek cuz you'd be consuming them to so so lol

[limber heath]

yea. excellent synergy 😏

[autumn smelt]

But if you're heavily running flames with warp charges, the 10% chance to gain one when killing something affecting by soul blaze is a must

[honest frigate]

Apparently its possible, just a bit tricky. Some people report invites not showing to them

[novel stratus]

brain burst just feels so bad on damnation

[fluid terrace]

yeah i did go mostly left side, i still need to level up more

[limber heath]

now the real question is does the 6 stacks of additional DoT make up for the loss in warp charges. i imagine you'll get them back quickly with the soulblaze charge gain thing.

[autumn smelt]

Yes

[honest frigate]

Warp charge keystone isnt very good now

(Imo)

[autumn smelt]

I use creeping flames even without warp charges cuz it's just free damage

[fluid terrace]

warp siphon has soul blaze

[novel stratus]

empowered psionics is wild

especially with assail

[autumn smelt]

Then you're not using it right
It's always been good on damnation, and it only got better this patch

Like a lot better

[novel stratus]

assail is just busted as hell imo, id rather sling voidstrike staff at bigger enemies than hold a brain burst out

[fluid terrace]

oohh i have lightning

[limber heath]

EP is the move for bb build over warp charges right is ep ever not the move?

[fluid terrace]

i thought it'd act like the usual pop

[novel stratus]

ep feels like it's always the move

[fluid terrace]

andj ust spread electrictiy

[potent echo]

Yes if you take venting shreik

You want warpcharges for more venting shrieks

Bb to get even more cooldown reduction

[autumn smelt]

The difference is that voidstrike needs line of sight when you fire, but bb just needs a quick glance
Before the voidstrike buff and before assail, bb was literally better and faster than voidstrike for that in every way

Bb is just so nice to have in the back of your pocket

[novel stratus]

ok well before assail bb was the only option so

[potent echo]

Bb is the utility pick for snipers or bombers that are being nasty behind a horde

[autumn smelt]

Dog running? Pop
Trapper running? Pop
Monstrosity kited by a team mate? Popopopopopop

[potent echo]

But also it gives access to the best node on the psyker

I mean smite also gives access to it but smite

[autumn smelt]

Assail also cannot deal with crushers and bulwarks

Bb ignores all armor

[novel stratus]

but you have 3 other teamates with you also

[autumn smelt]

Having a free anti armor weapon at all times is better than you'd expect

[spice veldt]

(whom can't be trusted)

[autumn smelt]

Exactly

[potent echo]

I wouldn't call BB anti crusher

Maybe anti 1 crusher

[novel stratus]

I have my boys in vc so, I don't have this problem

[potent echo]

But if 3 crusher

Good luck

[limber heath]

take all the bb nodes right?

[novel stratus]

I wouldn't run damnation with randoms lmao

[autumn smelt]

That's still better than assail could do tho

[potent echo]

Take none of it

[limber heath]

okay

i mean

for a bb build 😭

[autumn smelt]

I run auric maelstrom with randoms, they're fine tbh

[potent echo]

What's a bb build

[autumn smelt]

Most of the time

[still hearth]

Sadness

[potent echo]

You don't even get warpcharges for bb

[lunar hollow]

speaking of this

arco

[autumn smelt]

Bb isn't something you dedicate your build to, it's something you kinda mesh into an existing one

[lunar hollow]

do u wanna see the most hardcore unintentional throw u can do

without aggroing a dh

[spice veldt]

yes

what did you do, josho

[autumn smelt]

I use bb nodes and stuff with my soulblaze purgatus build

[lunar hollow]

i

ogryn'd...

https://streamable.com/lgf1zh

[spice veldt]

...

oh shit

Hab Dreyko finale

[potent echo]

I used to then after discussing abit I realised they are a waste of points

[lunar hollow]

it get so much better

[spice veldt]

I also have footage of a whiff by me at the end

[potent echo]

Very competitive points to be placed elsewhere

[limber heath]

fine to just yomp all of these right? or am i over-evaluating any of them

[spice veldt]

...

murdering your teammates

[still hearth]

Perfectly valid

[autumn smelt]

The ult increasing charge rate is good
Kinetic flayer not really,

[potent echo]

10% quell is not good

[lunar hollow]

do u know what the worst part is

i didnt intend to do that

i was tryna blow it up safely

[potent echo]

It's okay, mainly for bosses

[autumn smelt]

Depends on the build

[spice veldt]

truly a josho moment

[potent echo]

Even on purge I won't run it

[spice veldt]

actually a josho moment

[lunar hollow]

add it to the ogryn rp collection

[potent echo]

Just take 30% quell speed from warpcharge tree

[lunar hollow]

grenade gauntlet got buffed 😇

i had to use it

[spice veldt]

I had a Hab Dreyko run where everyone died at the finale somehow

[ornate hamlet]

I use BB for purg on Auric.

[spice veldt]

and I made it to the stairway to the helicopter

[hollow stirrup]

ogryn invading spark 'ead chat to wish you all a fantastic night of heretic brain popping and zapping, and if you're not having a good night i'ma give you a hug

[spice veldt]

and then I got fucking sniped from the bacj

[ornate hamlet]

There are so many specialists that the odds of it proccing passively on a specialist are high.

[spice veldt]

from the sniper that I missed my duelling heavy on

[lunar hollow]

we only actually lost

[autumn smelt]

Was this that dreyko maelstrom not too long ago

[lunar hollow]

because i went down to a random gunner

that spawned in melee only

[spice veldt]

I wonder why

tsk tsk

[lunar hollow]

because gunners can spawn as downed teammate guards

[lunar hollow]

yis

[spice veldt]

ahh

tsk tsk tsk

[lunar hollow]

yeah i had like 5 hp

but i was controlling melee fine

and then the fuckin gunner plinked me 4 times in the back

and it was ogre

[autumn smelt]

We got ganged right on the bridges, and me and the zealot made it put alive
I ended that one by literally sprinting to the end, the zealot made the mistake of trying to rez, and payed the price with 10 mauler slams
I just fucking ran and finished the mission as the last one alive

[lunar hollow]

f

ogryn is so clutch on that game mode

because u can taunt and draw aggro while killing shit with club

u get a lot of tools to make space which is very very very valuable specifically in melee only

[crimson spear]

what perks do i need on my mk 4 sword? 😄

[lunar hollow]

@spice veldt i summon thee

[potent echo]

Mk4 duelling?

Uncanny + ____

[crimson spear]

yeah

[potent echo]

I use shred because hadron gave me shred

[autumn smelt]

Ok I have to wake up in 5 hours for my REU and it's entirely my fault for playing darktide this long

[ornate hamlet]

What should I do with this?

[potent echo]

But the on dodge ones are good too

[drowsy slate]

Why duelling sword and no force sword?

[autumn smelt]

Replace rampage with shred or riposte, personal preference
And sprint to maniac imo

[potent echo]

Duelling sword one shot mutants in the head

[spice veldt]

they buffed the duellies

[ornate hamlet]

Sounds good

[autumn smelt]

Massive buff, great single target sword

[honest frigate]

I dont think rampage is too good because the sword is very stabby and singletarget

Personal opinion

[autumn smelt]

@spice veldt correct me if I'm wrong on this

[spice veldt]

that's what i'd do yeah

[potent echo]

You shouldn't use duel for horde clear

So yea rampage is a niche pick

[ornate hamlet]

Of course it isnt good, it's unrolled. So I was asking what to do with it

[spice veldt]

pen is too low to hit the two-shot (with crit) on crushers so I wouldn't put cara on it prolly

[drowsy slate]

But doesn’t everything die by voidstrike anyways and you only need to handle some unexpecting horde?

[crimson spear]

i got this

[drowsy slate]

I mean I played around a bit with psyker lately and it feels like nothing is able to come close

[potent echo]

Yea stam to maniac, rampage to riposte/shred

It's preee good

[autumn smelt]

Stamina to maniac
Rampage to shred/riposte
Pretty good roll all things considered

[crimson spear]

okk so i dont have to change anything? or

[ornate hamlet]

Voila!

[potent echo]

What

[potent echo]

Have fun

[autumn smelt]

It's crazy that It can 1 shot mutants

[lofty temple]

Replace sprint efficiency and rampage

[ornate hamlet]

already did

[lofty temple]

Good.

Want a hot take?

[honest frigate]

Whats wrong with sprint efficiency :(

I use it sometime

[lofty temple]

Go Rampage 4 if you have it

[potent echo]

Not on weapons

Curios sure

[lofty temple]

The MKIV is almost decent for horde clear

[potent echo]

I used to run 36% sprint efficiency

[autumn smelt]

Those were our recommendations for what to change
Stamina to maniac for the perk
Rampage to shred/riposte for the blessings (when you get them)

[potent echo]

Now my psyker runs 3x toughness curios

[ornate hamlet]

Shred or riposte

[potent echo]

Because toughness is so free as psyker

[ornate hamlet]

have both

[lofty temple]

Depends on your playstyle

[crimson spear]

Thank you very much for the help <#

[honest frigate]

Whats the difference between sprint efficiency and stamina anyways

Seems it matters little

[lofty temple]

If you spam push attacks go riposte

[autumn smelt]

Stamina is for more than just sprinting

[lofty temple]

Otherwise shred

[potent echo]

Stamina is the number of bars

[honest frigate]

Stamina is more worth it then?

[potent echo]

Sprint efficiency you drain stamina slower

[honest frigate]

Im aware

[autumn smelt]

Imo yeah

[potent echo]

Yea just run stamina curios if you want to but I'm all in on toughness now

[autumn smelt]

You can block more and push more (effective pushes to be accurate)

[ivory solstice]

can someone explain this to me? does this mean i will take more damage from all sources or do more damage?

[lofty temple]

You deal more damage with all weapons when at max peril

[ivory solstice]

dont you die at max peril tho?

[still hearth]

You can go to 100%

[lofty temple]

The damage bonus scales up

as your peril goes up

[quiet galleon]

what to change the weakspot dmg to?

[potent echo]

Unyielding I would say

But I haven't really been looking at BPs

[quiet galleon]

yeah unyielding is what i figured

[potent echo]

Maybe flak

For rager one tap

But psyker need boss damage

So unyielding

[quiet galleon]

okay thanks! loving the mk iv duelling sword now

[lofty temple]

Don't

[alpine yoke]

what does this surge means?

[lofty temple]

Didn't they change how multipliers work

[regal surge]

Eager is maniac

Rager*

[lofty temple]

+Weakspot damage, especially on the dueling sword should be huuuge

[spice veldt]

still the same

[astral oracle]

You die if you use something with peril gain at 100% peril

Anyways

[patent steeple]

One rager has flak armor, another is just maniac

[astral oracle]

What’s better for the 500 Dome meme

[regal surge]

Oh true

[astral oracle]

Assail or brain burst

Essentially: which is better for warp charge generation

[potent echo]

Flak rager

[coral cave]

assail kinda goated

[astral oracle]

assail is very goated

[regal surge]

Assail is almost unfun to use

But I still love it

[astral oracle]

smite is fucking sexy even without the bug for cc

[regal surge]

Although I play on malice rn

[astral oracle]

Heresy is easy as hell now compared to before

[regal surge]

I’m super new to the game

[fluid terrace]

im playing psyker effiecently i got a random nosebleed while palying

[astral oracle]

You’ll get to it

[coral cave]

ngl i kinda forgot about bb cuz smite and assail are just too damn fun

[astral oracle]

The funniest thing is how broken (bug wise) psyker is now

So many oversights…

[regal surge]

What’s the point of brain burst when vet can just headshot people?

[coral cave]

fr

[still hearth]

They point is that you somehow picked no carapace pen

[astral oracle]

I only get brain burst for the 10% burst on hit every 15s

[still hearth]

And want to still kil crushers

[astral oracle]

I pretty much never use brain burst alone anymore

But yeah Infinite Smite is the most stupid thing

God

[lofty temple]

I'm not even using broken smite and it's still good

[astral oracle]

it’s very good

[potent echo]

Good

[astral oracle]

But broken smite is very funny too

UNLIMITED

POWERRRRRR

[ornate hamlet]

It is broken but fun 😂

[potent echo]

I've had a pub that exploited the hell out of it

[lofty temple]

Inner tranquility is almost as good as broken smite

[potent echo]

Everytime he wasn't doing it he was on the floor

[coral cave]

quite literally rn

[potent echo]

SMH my head

[astral oracle]

Sounds like a nerd

[honest frigate]

I LOVE THIS, THANK YOU

[astral oracle]

Also yes I’m stealing that image

[astral oracle]

But yeah I love my peril regen now

Even when I don’t have my empowered stack im still zapping

[regal surge]

Me everyday but only the second last image

[fluid terrace]

the tech preist is hot

[honest frigate]

It took me a while to spot that yesterday aswell

[regal surge]

They need to add a rattling class 🤤

Best snipers they are

[honest frigate]

Nurgling class

Xcept its fighting for us for some reason

[astral oracle]

Woe, Assail be upon thee

[honest frigate]

My honest reacshun

[wicked badge]

I got my first staff

[tidal violet]

Yeah, I kept testing things on Malice, and every build for every class was overpowered . . . but then I realized that I was going at the medium difficulty at maximum level.

Went up in difficulty, and assail struggles against . . . literally any armor? It's still fun as hell and you are the bane of Walkers/Groaner, but then the flak comes out and it sounds more like throwing rocks at a land raider.

[honest frigate]

Which? And at what level?

[wicked badge]

Im lvl 5 and its a staff of trauma

[tidal violet]

"FEEL A FRACTION OF MY HATRED!"
Tink!
Tink!
Tink-tink Tink!

[honest frigate]

Lovely

[spice veldt]

uh oh

[honest frigate]

Trauma is pretty good, even when youre max level

[spice veldt]

trauma will feel shit to use at lower levels

the stat scaling on trauma is pretty hard

[wicked badge]

Idc its cool

[spice veldt]

oh that's good

[wicked badge]

And i got nothing else

[honest frigate]

Probably not given how low levels usually play sedition/uprising

At most, malice

[spice veldt]

2.5 second charge speed at 0% charge rate btw

[fading yew]

Would it help you to pair assail with surge staff?

[spice veldt]

insanely slow

[honest frigate]

Meh. Doesnt matter much on easy difficulties

You gotta realise theyre playing on easy mode right now

[spice veldt]

but it'll feel shit

I don't dispute the performance of trauma

I enjoyed the trauma when it generated 47% peril per cast

[honest frigate]

To someone who hasnt used it before? I think they will just be happy to have a staff for once

[lunar hollow]

criminally insane ^

[honest frigate]

To us yes it may feel extremely shit

[spice veldt]

shut up

[wise pecan]

out of curiosity, is there a particular reason that so many people are going warp charges instead of, say, enhanced psionics? especially on the few purgatus builds i've seen. i usually go enhanced psionics so that i can quickly brain burst elites and not lose out on things when i bubble up

[spice veldt]

flak armour mods seem decent or close to the others

[tidal violet]

Eh, surge and assail are both peril-hogging crowd controllers.

The Voidstrike is the heavy-hitter for right now, great armor pen and damage. It's a Crusher crusher.

Otherwise, higher levels are probably still in favor of BB+Purgatus.

[spice veldt]

only cara/bulwarks that it'll suffer particularly hard against

[honest frigate]

Purgatus is good against hordes and you can get warp charges easily thanks to that iirx

Iirc

But i stick with empowered psyonics

[wise pecan]

yes, but then your bb is slow as balls and only 2/3 as powerful

[spice veldt]

They revised Surge into a single-target staff (more damage, 2 target cap unless you take Smite and the upgrade node under it); Assail can clear hordes fine

[spice veldt]

80 poxwalkers in 30 seconds which is average https://streamable.com/pz3ajy

[twilit badger]

Psyker is even more OP than pre nerf veteran now

[spice veldt]

with some buffs, it hits a one-shot bodyshot bp on groaners, so you can clear 40 groaners in 7 seconds

[twilit badger]

Good

[tidal violet]

We're still looking at ~4 of your 10 shards to kill one flak-covered enemy, and at that point it's not overly effecient.

Unarmored folks? Karkin' filthy. Flak? Still good, but a touch pitiful, and honestly feels like I'd be better-off switching off to something better tuned for it.

[spice veldt]

well yeah, it's not a single-target weapon

[twilit badger]

Warp energy go brrrrt

[spice veldt]

but remember that the shards are beholden to a target limit, not a cleave limit

so regardless of the higher hitmass that scab ragers have, it'll reliably hit 3 of them if you can drag the shards over them

and it can stagger them

and for scab bruisers, it'll also do fine against them

[honest frigate]

Flak is zero issue. Assail's strenght is against multiple enemies at once because of its penetration capability

[tidal violet]

Running with it while I can since Psyker was the worst class for a year and now I can enjoy some time in the sun a particularly bright glow-bulb.

[spice veldt]

with a headshot/crit, it'll be at least a two-shot on bruisers

[fading yew]

I'm curious to know if Solidity+Mind in Motion can make 3 peril-hog kit builds work. Force sword w/ deflection, surge, and assail, using Shriek and Quell to actively manage peril. I haven't tried it yet, but it's what I plan to do tomorrow or the day after.

[valid shale]

When will fatshark collaborate with Disney for a palpatine psyker skin?

https://tenor.com/view/power-starwars-unlimited-power-gif-15939349

[honest frigate]

Soon

After that we will get some fortnite characters to balance it too

And a zealot spiderman skin

[valid shale]

Omg we’ll get issac Clarke?

https://tenor.com/view/dead-space-fortnite-fortnite-dance-isaac-clarke-griddy-gif-27450242

[harsh urchin]

warp charges is 24% more dmg

[honest frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/griddy-gif-gif-25339935

[tidal violet]

It'd fit pretty well, TBH. He's not too far off of the 40k Aesthetic.

Stained glass for the helmet and a couple candles, and . . . four, no, five skulls on his mining suit: You're done.

[hybrid solstice]

For how fast assail recharges, 4 is not a bad deal

[honest frigate]

Thats not a huge amoumt though, and warp charges go away overtime so youre fucked when there isnt a enemy

Isnt there a different node in the talent tree where you get up to 20% dmg increase based on peril?

[harsh urchin]

that is absolutely a huge amount lol

[bleak isle]

You can take both though

Giving you around a 45% bonus

[honest frigate]

The shards pass through the enemy regardless whether its flak or not so its really not a big deal at all

[still hearth]

Empowered is nice and all but Warp Charges work on everything not just your shards

[bleak isle]

Though I forget if it’s multiplicative

[still hearth]

It used to be

[faint sigil]

someone link me optimal mk4 duellie/y

[golden frigate]

warp charges will be there when you need them, and are pretty easy to mantain, so it's a consistent +24% damage that doesnt risk you being in a blowing up state constantly, and you can take both as well

[still hearth]

I've ran both Warp Charges and Empowered for Assail and they feel basically the same

[fluid terrace]

im convince ogryn players are the same as their characters. an ogryn i played with looked at a daemonhost for like 3 solid seconds and fucking smacked it.

killing all of us

[still hearth]

Empowered is pretty overrated I think

[spice veldt]

here's assail killing 7 ragers, albeit at the cost of all of my charges https://streamable.com/6qeiq7

[valid shale]

Honestly his rig would be good for a imperial guard regiment

[still hearth]

Aside from the one use of "I get free resets on gunners so I can kill all the gunners everywhere"

[valid shale]

And the level 5 military one, would be great for a inquisition stormtrooper regiment

[astral oracle]

Empowered is rated this highly mostly cause of smite currently I’d say

[bleak isle]

I do love my Purgatus psyker, in a dense horde I basically have both Old Quicken and Ascendant Blaze while dealing even more damage than before

[honest frigate]

Ogryn attac

[astral oracle]

God I love smiting

[harsh urchin]

seems reasonable

most classes can do the same

[spice veldt]

yeah from a raw DPS standpoint assail is fine

[still hearth]

Smite should be downvoted from the game.

[astral oracle]

God I love stunning the entire continent with one charge

[fluid terrace]

it is fun

[spice veldt]

or at least close to fine

[astral oracle]

But yeah heresy has been just

Easy

Post-update

[still hearth]

All these Smite enjoyers are making me nauseous

[harsh urchin]

i think we have lotta ppl in malice/heresy

[still hearth]

[austere estuary]

just thought

[harsh urchin]

its like old BB

[astral oracle]

shake my hand vanessa

[bleak isle]

I need Solo play so I can use one use of Smite to slowly walk and clear the entire level without being kicked

[astral oracle]

SHAKE MY HAND

[harsh urchin]

where it oneshot everything in lower diff

[hybrid solstice]

Yeah that too

[astral oracle]

there is a mod for this

[austere estuary]

has anyone actually looked at or tried the OG Force Sword since the patch? wonder if it's less pointless now

[still hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-slayer-kimetsu-no-yaiba-what-did-you-say-wtf-i-dont-believe-it-gif-25119687

[valid shale]

how

my smite 100 perils me incredibly fast

[spice veldt]

it's still fine on higher difficulties because of the ridiculous aim assist it has and the lack of falloff in effectiveness with range

[still hearth]

Empowered is bugged on Smite

[honest frigate]

I need to try it but i wanna get blessings on it first

[harsh urchin]

yeah i mean i think it's good

[bleak isle]

Empowered smite costs no peril

[wooden silo]

Rocking the assail and voidstaff at once is basically insane right now.

[spice veldt]

and if not fine

quite overtuned

[valid shale]

when do you get empowered

[bleak isle]

Even though it shouldn’t

[austere estuary]

been sitting on this forever, if it turns out good might go ahead and consecrat it up

since unstable should be easy on this thing

[bleak isle]

It’s part of the empowered psionics talent

[valid shale]

ah that’s 5 levels away from me

Honestly what level is the psyker ingame?

They seem REALLY strong to be just a random shitty psyker

[astral oracle]

Lvl 100 Mafia Boss

[austere estuary]

psykers are big stronk now imo

[astral oracle]

I mean I had fun with Purgatus Soulblaze psyker pre-patch

But now

[austere estuary]

we were great before

[astral oracle]

Emperor palpatine

[bleak isle]

Lore wise they seem as strong as primaris psykers but I don’t really know too much

[valid shale]

By level I mean grade

[austere estuary]

I was using trauma since basically day 1, but it's just got better and better and better

void is incredible atm

like giga good

[astral oracle]

I have all my characters level capped so

Been able to experiment

[bleak isle]

Our Oggies are on some Nork Dedogg level shit though

[astral oracle]

But for auric, when I run it with friends

I will never stop swinging (my hand)

Tazing the world, one police brutality at a time

[honest frigate]

Ouch, that warp resistance

How much peril does it generate with one special?

[spice veldt]

hmm, Warp Expenditure doesn't work with Kinetic Deflection

[fluid terrace]

i like not exploding when getting 100% peril

[astral oracle]

Imagine exploding

imagine never being big brained to know you’re reaching 100% within 2.3 assail throws

[young ridge]

They should buff psyker I think

[honest frigate]

What kinda assail you got bro

Bro has chaos infused assail shards

I get like 8% peril per throw

[late yew]

What do i want on dueling sword?

[young ridge]

ASSail probably

[astral oracle]

I don’t mean at 0 you HERETIC

[bleak isle]

If you aim it it gives more peril

[honest frigate]

Sexual Assail

[astral oracle]

Woe, rocks be upon thee

[young ridge]

Hot

It makes sense

It feels like psykers are molesting the game now

[lofty storm]

can someone explain what dodge duration means? is it "i-frames" or Tide equivalent for enemy melee tracking, or is it only for ranged attacks?

[astral oracle]

I think it’s dodge distance?????

I don’t know at this point

[lofty storm]

it doesn't feel like distance

[astral oracle]

Fatshark’s wording confuses me

[spice veldt]

probably how long your i-frames last

[honest frigate]

Good

It would seriously be terrible if one of the most interesting classes were shit

Even in 40k as a whole, psykers are such a cool thing with tons of options

Im glad they dont suck

[astral oracle]

I mean

5% on your next melee attack

[young ridge]

Psyker was good before the update aswell

[patent steeple]

I never get to pick that talent due to my preference for CDR aura, but I would assume its i-frames

[astral oracle]

(fat shark what does this mean)

[young ridge]

But now it's very very good

[honest frigate]

But its better now

[spice veldt]

there are straight up i-frames for ranged attacks, and there are basically i-frames for melee attacks except that they also check for how close you are to the enemy ("shortening" their attack, in a sense). The extent to which these attacks are shortened are on a per-attack basis, so good luck learning the intricacies of them all

[honest frigate]

Im not denying psykers were good before. They were good on day one

Lmao

[astral oracle]

purgatus goes brr

head go pop

[young ridge]

I hope they don't unbuff us

[honest frigate]

If they unbuff my combat psyker

[young ridge]

All the new builds are fun and strong

[honest frigate]

I will kill them

All

[young ridge]

Reasonable response I think

[honest frigate]

Not just the men

[fluid knot]

That is happening

[honest frigate]

But the women

And the childr

[young ridge]

And the servers

[fluid knot]

Particularly as far as Voidstrike goes

[young ridge]

NO

[astral oracle]

the furries go first

[fluid knot]

That is deffo getting nerfed

[honest frigate]

What......

[young ridge]

Idc about voidstrike

[astral oracle]

They’re going to need to fix all their oversights first

[fluid knot]

I dont see why they cant do both

[young ridge]

Just let me have assail and shield as they are now

[astral oracle]

Like the empowered bug
The warp charge bug
The knife working with cleave on crit bug

[young ridge]

They are very funi

[fluid knot]

This is an old build anyway, couple weeks we'll have another patch that fixed most things

[astral oracle]

I don’t think they’re touching shield

Shield is fine

[fluid knot]

Shield is fine, Assail is getting nerfed

[astral oracle]

Assail is deffo overtuned

[fluid knot]

Hopefully not into oblivion tho

[astral oracle]

Woe rocks be upon thee

[young ridge]

Leave assail alone

[astral oracle]

As much as this is funny and stupidly strong it definitely needs fixing

[fluid knot]

Zealot is the only class in a good place atm tbh, Psyker an Ogg are somewhat overtuned, an Vet needs a small buff

[honest frigate]

Bubbles

:D

[young ridge]

We deserve this

[astral oracle]

relic

also https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1wVr7Ws9xDqFc7/d1337tyGlZ8B?invite=cr-MSxaNjYsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[wicked badge]

First Time using assail

[honest frigate]

Relic

[wicked badge]

I blew up twice

[astral oracle]

that knife is illegal

[young ridge]

Yeah it do be like that

[honest frigate]

assail is easy to manage smh

[ivory solstice]

lmao i still be blowing up using assail.

[honest frigate]

Come on

Use quell

[ivory solstice]

its too fun tho

[honest frigate]

Hold R

[wicked badge]

Mf im lvl 5

[fluid knot]

What about relic? It lasts 5s and has a big cooldown? Its just a CC version of Ogg bomba

[honest frigate]

Never too early to learn, just saying :3

One of the guys here was lvl 30 and didnt even know that quelling is a thing until we told them

[astral oracle]

MY MAIN GOAL

IS TO BLOW UP

[ivory solstice]

thats crazy LOL

[astral oracle]

AND ACT LIKE I DONT KNOW NOBODY

[ivory solstice]

i feel like i use quell too much tbh

[wicked badge]

That's a pretty funny reference ngl

[ivory solstice]

i get anxiety once i hit 90% and insta quell

[astral oracle]

Waiting for the brain blast mod where it replaces the charging sound file with that meme

[fluid knot]

Good habit

[astral oracle]

Makes me want to blow up more

[honest frigate]

Better use quell a lot than not at all