psyker-class

[true lake]

almost as good damage as voidstrike but voidstrike has better potential for dps

[zinc phoenix]

Why stun when you can voidnuke

[sterile saddle]

cuz peirce

[flint pawn]

Pair it with Assail for maximum autoaim destruction

[zinc phoenix]

I maintain they mixed up the damage for surge staff and voidstrike

[sterile saddle]

and it ranges better

[true lake]

yeah voidstrike i think they probably buffed it too much if anything

[zinc phoenix]

Probably?

It’s the highest damage, easiest to use weapon that does stagger and aoe

[true lake]

i appreciate it being buffed of course but the whole literally one shotting crushers is crazy

[flint pawn]

Buff it more. Make Surge crit and trigger itself.

[outer wren]

I just like Void because I hate Snipers 🙂

[zinc phoenix]

Surge has massive peril and lower damage than void 😂

[sterile saddle]

candlestick is good too

sets bosses on fire

[lament topaz]

God I hate lightning

It works for maybe 15 seconds and then I get fucked

[true lake]

sniper suck, agreed

[rough egret]

worth buying?

[teal needle]

Loading into an a5 with 2 other assail psykers

[true lake]

looks like a good dueling sword to me, but most people prefer mk iv

[zinc phoenix]

You only stun stuff in your FOV, you have to actively spin around to not get owned in the butt

[true lake]

not sure myself

[lament topaz]

Part of it is cause I'm playing with pugs, they don't know what the fuck they're doing it feels

[zinc phoenix]

You don’t have to be able to see it, but it has to be in your FOV

[lament topaz]

Like guys it's only heresy I can't fucking carry all of you.

[sterile saddle]

XD

[true lake]

yeah heresy people seem to be hit or miss

i just ran a really good heresy but sometimes pubs on there are just trash

[lament topaz]

Void Assail Scream time.

[sterile saddle]

damnation has more people in it, they are much better than they used to be too

usually damnation got no one

[true lake]

i might try to do some damnation but idk if im ready

[sterile saddle]

i got carried through two or three

^.^

[lament topaz]

I had lightning go on infinite for maybe 10 seconds and then got stabbed in the back.

[zinc phoenix]

Damnation is pretty straightforward

[true lake]

like i got a good build and all that, i just dont know how much harder it is than heresy

[sterile saddle]

damnation u get like.. minibosses and stuff while fighting the big boss

[true lake]

had a friend drag me into auric damnation before the update and it was horrible

[autumn smelt]

weird way to say very fun, but i can get behind it

[sterile saddle]

chaos miniboss does regular boss dmg.. swear to god.. he breathed on me.. lost half my hp

[true lake]

the stench of chaos

[tall mango]

damnation to heresy is the marshmallow cremepuff man to a dinosaur covered in marshmallow

[true lake]

yeah heresy is a lot easier than i thought it would be

especially when your team is semi competent

[autumn smelt]

once i started damnation, there was no way back

its like a drug

[tall mango]

sure the marshmallow man can annoy you and sometimes hurt, but the trex will actually fucking kill you

[autumn smelt]

then auric maelstroms came out

[sullen bobcat]

I don't think I've done heresey since like the first month of release

[autumn smelt]

and its like drug^2

[true lake]

i just need to ease myself into damnation

[sullen bobcat]

After I finished leveling all 4 characters

[true lake]

maybe i should sit down and level other classes

i never bothered to play much else than psyker and a little bit of ogryn

[autumn smelt]

dont
go all in on damnation

[sullen bobcat]

You don't get better by playing lower difficulties

[true lake]

i know but im a little paranoid with pubs

[sullen bobcat]

Pubs makes it more fun

[true lake]

dont get many good experiences in them

[sullen bobcat]

Easy games where everyone knows exactly what to do get boring

Shit hitting the fan is more fun

[autumn smelt]

if youre doing normal damnation, pubs will be fine with the occasional bad player
if youre doing auric damnation, youll get good to great players with the once in a blue moon bad player

[true lake]

will try one out just to see how it goes

[sullen bobcat]

Regular aurics are still pretty easy now tbh. Maelstroms can get interesting especially specialist monstrosities. It's amazing how no one specs into monster killing with specialist monsters

[true lake]

just quickplay it because more goodies

[sullen bobcat]

And maelstroms without dumb amounts of monsters/muties feels easy as shit right now with the overtuned assail

[true lake]

i got hi intensity shock gauntlet

for the damnation

[tall mango]

i had some AWFUL luck then, cause i got stuck with two zealots who had no fucking clue what an objective was and actively got me and my buddy killed

[autumn smelt]

tbh a half half split of boss killers and horde/specialist clearers is ideal

[tall mango]

was horrible

[autumn smelt]

in auric maelstroms?

[sullen bobcat]

Pubs are usually 4 horde clearers and maybe a specialist killer instead

[tall mango]

yes

NEITHER HAD RELIC EITHER

[autumn smelt]

you just got really unlucky then tbh

[tall mango]

THEY BOTH HAD STUN NADE

[sullen bobcat]

???

[autumn smelt]

what

[sullen bobcat]

Stun nades and relic can be run together

One's a blitz and the other is an ability

[tall mango]

or sorry

they had stun AND the fury rush

[sullen bobcat]

Yeah turns out you don't need relic to play the game

I run stealth and chastise mostly still

[tall mango]

it was mutant rush

[sullen bobcat]

Especially for the bonk boi

Legitimately not the reason why you lost if you need to rely on just relic

[autumn smelt]

my god
can you imagine playing with those two combined?
the nerve of those people...

[tall mango]

they played like idiots and use their nades once

that was my point

[sullen bobcat]

Playing like an idiot is entirely different from not running what you think is the most optimal thing

You can run meta and still fucking suck

[tall mango]

that is true

im just angy sorry

[sullen bobcat]

You can also run 0 talents and profane weapons with 0 blessings and be a god

[tall mango]

watching them blankly stare at my friend being hit as they hung onto a ledge

[lament topaz]

I play one game of lightning and I forget how to use shards.

Pain.

How am I supposed to play Void, btw?

[sullen bobcat]

Spam it

[lament topaz]

Don't charge?

[sullen bobcat]

I built heavily into crits because I have a voidstrike with surge

I usually get like halfway

Depends on your voidstrike roll imo

[tidal mist]

i tried shards and lightning but just found myself missing brain burst

[cinder moon]

go full lightning

[tidal mist]

though i think i'm just shit with shards

[fossil orbit]

shards are almost aimbot level how do you mess them up lol

[cinder moon]

surge staff with smite is a good time

[quiet coral]

Does quietude work with passive quelling? does any talent that refers to quelling mean only active?

[autumn smelt]

youre probably just so used to having it in your back pocket tbh

[fallow meadow]

Did catachan sword get any update to make it better?

[tidal mist]

probably, right now i'm running that skill that reduces burst cooldown after using your skill, doing that with two stacks of telekine shield and empowered psionics which further makes bursting faster

but i don't know how good that is in practice lol

i feel like people kill elites before i do so i can't really 'set up'

[lament topaz]

I just all of a sudden can't shard for some reason.

[fallow meadow]

Was testing on surge+smite for a while. Work quite well, but gunner and sniper can be a problem from time to time.

[snow scaffold]

Gunners are easy to take care of with surge

[tidal mist]

when you activate the 'infinite' surge its pretty funny but thats probably gonna get patched out?

[steep frost]

Do the homing knives really synergize with anything else in the tree? Do they autotarget heads?

[primal vine]

What talent on the tree amplifies the smite damage alot

[tidal mist]

i might like surge more if i switch to void, i was still using the flame staff from before which is probably why i missed brain burst

[fallow meadow]

In most case, yes, but in some large and open area they start shooting from a afar.

[tidal mist]

i played with some psykers that can just spam telekine dome like nobody's business though, makes it feel like gunners are a non issue

[cinder moon]

i keep kinetic deflection + deflector illisi for situations like that, though sniper can be annoying

[sturdy leaf]

So does completing redacted penances and getting the achievements (and unlocks) no longer work now? I got an achievement and all the items showed they unlocked but didnt get anything

[fallow meadow]

My flame love turned into trauma love.

[autumn smelt]

i ran that for a bit with purgatus
the key thing about that is, i wouldnt use it offensively, but defensively, if that makes sense
kinetic barrage previously was a great "get these guys OUTTA MY MF GAME" button when shit was going south, or when you could see that it was about to happen, and that build you have with bb is literally just that but juiced up even more with faster charge time and more damage

[lament topaz]

Does this also count on like...scream and smite?

[cinder moon]

it procs on warp attack kills lol

[lament topaz]

Does scream count as a warp attack?

[cinder moon]

if you didn't use a melee weapon or gun, it's a warp attack

[lament topaz]

Okay thank you

[copper torrent]

froce sword special procs it, right?

[cinder moon]

though melee weapons and guns can proc warp attacks

[sullen bobcat]

Yes only when it's charged

[autumn smelt]

warp attacks are any attack or damage that is either born from peril use or a skill tree node effect

[glad meadow]

What is the best gun for psycher atm?

[lament topaz]

Now I just have to hunt down the thing that makes it so getting hit doesn't distrupt a secondary attack

[tidal mist]

there's that passive burst on attacks and soulfire nonsense

[glad meadow]

I want to use a non staff cor a change

[autumn smelt]

staff kills, blitz kills, charged force sword kills, or soulblaze all count

[cinder moon]

focused channeling is kinda memey

i have it on my purgatus build for the lulz

just spam fire all the time

[sullen bobcat]

Just getting used to dodging more is likely more value since you have only 2 blessing slots

[cinder moon]

mg4 and revolver work good

[true lake]

damnation run just went tits up

oh well

[glad meadow]

Also, i cant earn that achievement that require me to save myself at max peril with my ability any more

[lament topaz]

Was it not a talent thing

[glad meadow]

Mg4?

Im new

[cinder moon]

lasgun

[lament topaz]

Oh it isnt'

Well shit me then

Oh laspistol

[glad meadow]

This too, anyone know this?

[cinder moon]

nah this guy

[glad meadow]

I want a mask to cover my ugly ass face

[lament topaz]

Elaborate?

[glad meadow]

What is it differences with other model?

[cinder moon]

i've heard laspistol is good but i haven't gotten a good roll on any of mine yet

[tall mango]

I think you’re beautiful sibling

[glad meadow]

Cant accplish that achievement

[naive imp]

So is there any overlap with unlocks? Like if I level you 30 on a psyker does any of that carry over to an Ogryn or zealot?

[glad meadow]

A cosmetic locked behind it so i want to

[cinder moon]

the only thing that carries between characters are currency, cosmetics (where applicable), and blessings

[glad meadow]

It state i need to save myself from max peril with an ability

But it doesnt trigger at all

It seemed to be based on the base ability

But the base ability no longer remove peril

[fallow meadow]

Many penances is design for pre-update. I guess we just need to wait for FS to adjust them.

[toxic walrus]

does anyone have any talent point guides?

[glad meadow]

The scream one that push enemy back

[lament topaz]

It might've broke during the update

[naive imp]

Man. I wish there was a list of voice lines to listen too.

[tidal mist]

is there a current UI or visual to show that empowered psionics is on? either i'm really obtuse or the game doesn't show anything, i seriously can't tell

[naive imp]

It’s cool picking the backstory and stuff but I’d rather pick my voice tbh

[steep frost]

Anyone tried soulblaze spreading? How is it?

[lament topaz]

Glowey bits around the edge of your screen, light blue

[fallow meadow]

It still do that, you just need to talent it.

[glad meadow]

Is the small neddle thing basically best in slot atm?

[lament topaz]

it doesn't matter, btw.

[cinder moon]

empowered psionics makes the edges of your screen look like cracked glass, and there's a purple skull with a 1/2/3 at the bottom of the screen

[lament topaz]

Your backstory never comes up again.

[glad meadow]

It doesnt work for the penance anymore

Which is the problem

[lament topaz]

It literally does not matter

[tidal mist]

i swear to god i wasn't seeing any icons in the psykanium, maybe its just the psykanium....

[tall mango]

It only matters for 1 single voice, the cadian on Vet

[naive imp]

Oh there are only 3 voices per class?

[tall mango]

and that’s it

[cinder moon]

you'll know it's proccing when you suddenly stop generating peril

[ornate hamlet]

Do we get more plasteel with auric instead of standard?

[glad meadow]

Btw is assail basically best in slot?

[sullen bobcat]

Yes

[lament topaz]

Corect.

[glad meadow]

Ive been running around with brain burst

[outer wren]

I was able to see the icon yesterday in the Psykanium. 7.5% Proc chance is really low though, so unless you specifically kill elites I wasnt getting it often

[tall mango]

It’s not that low

it’s very reasonable honestly

[cinder moon]

just pick the elite kill skill

[glad meadow]

Honestly cant managed to kill anything with brain byrst before assail psycher do

[spice veldt]

13.33 kills on average

[tall mango]

or get the 12.5% one

and shoot voidstrike into a horde

[sullen bobcat]

BB got nerfed and doesn't hit breakpoints as easily, smite doesn't do much damage but it does tons of CC and has an issue of high peril gains, and assail is legitimately 24/7 uptime

[tall mango]

guaranteed EP

[cinder moon]

BB is stronger now since you can run wnr and 6 wc

[tall mango]

Assail sucks vs ogryns and armored boys but otherwise it’s pretty great vs elites

[cinder moon]

you just have to spec fully into it

[glad meadow]

I managed to do unlimited brain burst for some reason

[cinder moon]

empowered psionics

[tall mango]

that’s EP for you

[sullen bobcat]

Yeah it only kills like 90% of the enemies in the game well. No big deal

[glad meadow]

It shouldnt do that

[lament topaz]

Alright I'm done with DT for tonight.

[cinder moon]

the tooltip says it does

[glad meadow]

It doesnt?

[cinder moon]

-100% peril gen for brain rupture

[glad meadow]

It just say more damage charge time etc

[cinder moon]

it's right there on the tin

[tall mango]

I mean you have fun trying to kill a wave of crushers and maulers and ragers with the shards

[glad meadow]

So that what it mean, hmm

But it only the next cast

[sullen bobcat]

FOR ASSAIL. ASSAIL GETS THE PERIL GENERATION

[fallow meadow]

They are also a bit slow on hit, but still very powerful.

[tidal mist]

i picked the elite kill passive, to test it out, it was definitely working but i just couldn't see any indication that it was on. maybe my game was guffed or i was seriously sleep deprived

[glad meadow]

It keep happen though

Though, hmm, i wouldnt complain

[outer wren]

Did you have mods on?

[tall mango]

brain burst and assail get it

[tidal mist]

i don't use mods

[glad meadow]

Atm i just have problem with horde and monstrocities

[tidal mist]

i'll try again tonight

currently at work

[tall mango]

for horde use voidstrike or trauma

[tidal mist]

its kinda the 10% of those enemies that end your run though

[fallow meadow]

voidstrike good at horde now?

[spice veldt]

assail hordeclear 😎

[tall mango]

voidstrike is good vs everything

[sullen bobcat]

Yeah if only you had another weapon to deal with it or 3 other people

[tall mango]

it does insane damage

[tidal mist]

though i see people fuck up elites with assail anyway

[tall mango]

can destroy the entire horde and elites in the horde

[spice veldt]

assail p much kills every human-sized elite/special that aren't maulers

[outer wren]

Im still debating Shriek vs Barrier Stun for my ability to go along with Assail spam :/

[glad meadow]

I am using force sword V, flame staff, and brain burst. Is there a trick to handle monstrocities and daemon?

[spice veldt]

and also perilous combustion

[true lake]

its a cooperative game why are you getting so butthurt about a good attack

[sullen bobcat]

Assail needs way less uptime. Less ammo and longer cooldown

[tidal mist]

apparently the knife follows your crosshair and you can chain kill or some shit

[sullen bobcat]

Because if I play the other horde clearing classes or anything else, I pretty much don't get to play the game

[tidal mist]

i was trying to use assail with scrier's gaze and well, i kept exploding myself

[fallow meadow]

But it was single target/maybe pen through 3 at most. Dose it now do real blast damage?

[marsh wharf]

Are the new psyker grenade options good or is it a case of brain burst still clearing

[spice veldt]

it's encroaching the point of your teammates not being able to play the game at all

[true lake]

and assail still doesnt save you full by itself in auric damn

with how many armored people pop up and monstrosities

[sullen bobcat]

It just relieves like 80% of the pressure

[spice veldt]

yes it is not a do-everything-weapon

but it will kill essentially every human enemy

[sullen bobcat]

Dude, you just played like your first damnation

[true lake]

i said i played auric damn before

[marsh wharf]

Is assail the magic missile one?

[sullen bobcat]

Ajnd you only play psyker

Yes

[true lake]

and i can guarantee my assail doesnt kill every last thing

[exotic igloo]

Guys it's okay because it only kill 90% of things

[sullen bobcat]

Play a knife zealot or something and have fun not killing anything since the psyker just spammed assail

[exotic igloo]

It's balanced

[true lake]

i just dont get how you would nerf it or whatever without it being essentially useless

[sullen bobcat]

You can nerf things without making them useless

[fallow meadow]

Scrier is more a gunker thing.

[true lake]

and sorry for being a psyker player in the psyker chat, didnt realize thats illegal now

[spice veldt]

how extreme are the nerfs that you're thinking about

[marsh wharf]

Ah so pyro gas passer incident?

[sullen bobcat]

You have to really micromanage perils and watch it. Or end it early and let it hit 100% naturally, vent, and use the timer

[true lake]

depends on the nerfs you guys are suggesting for it

[glad meadow]

Anyone knows?

[tidal mist]

i think possibly make it even stronger, but reduce ammo count and ammo regeneration for it, so it isn't just used the entire time

[upper galleon]

my nerf would be remove ammo all together

reduce it's rate of fire

[tidal mist]

like shouldn't the blitzes be a tool in the pocket rather than the main weapon

[sullen bobcat]

That's not the issue. It's the inexperience with the perspective of other classes/players and not understanding that if one class is overbearing, you just do less and have less fun

[upper galleon]

or increase the peril cost

[glad meadow]

I dont use assail cus it look silly as hell

[upper galleon]

no?

[marsh wharf]

Pov psyker playstyle

[tall mango]

it pierced through an entire line of horde so i’d say it’s good enough

[true lake]

maybe you can actually inform me then instead of being a fucking asshole

[upper galleon]

assail def fits a primary weapon playstyle

and I would hate to see that gone

[sullen bobcat]

Assail needs a smaller "mag" and a longer cooldown between generating another crystal

[spice veldt]

vintage's response seems fine as far as I can tell

[true lake]

sorry that your main class or whatever got the shorter end of the stick idk what else to tell you

[spice veldt]

like we've been through the era of op stuff with vet

[glad meadow]

Assail need a cooler animation before i use it

[fallow meadow]

I blow myself up way more than I should after the update. Assail got most of it.

[upper galleon]

nah no mag the ammo is already blehhhh mechanic

[tidal mist]

we can agree to disagree then, like whats the point of staves/guns then

[spice veldt]

i'm a lvl 988 psyker with my second class being a lvl 200 vet

you are high off of your balls if you think that psyker mains aren't advocating for nerfs

[sullen bobcat]

I usually play the things people cry are underpowered or things that aren't meta since it gets hilariously boring

[autumn smelt]

i assume you mean the deimos force sword, and the best way is to dance around the monstrosities via dodging and blocking, and doing a light attack stab when you have an opening, and bb them when someone else has their attention

[upper galleon]

surge was a support staff until last patch, flamer on zealot isn't exactly a primary

[glad meadow]

No, the issil something sword

[tall mango]

assail should be nerfed to have a longer cooldown so it’s no longer 99% uptime tbh

[true lake]

sorry that i dont want to literally cripple myself to make it more "fun"

[tall mango]

that’s really it

[upper galleon]

I think a slower rate of fire, maybe up the peril cost by 5% and remove ammo entirely

[spice veldt]

psyker is on the stronger end of the spectrum currently; you're not going to get nerfed into obscurity

[upper galleon]

there is no reason to have ammo limit when peril exists

[autumn smelt]

then the only difference would be to do a charge up then a light attack in place of a stab, as long as you have enough time to do so

[true lake]

didnt realize i have to be objectively worse off with my loadout to have fun

[spice veldt]

do you realize that it's not just about you?

[sullen bobcat]

It just has way too high of uptime which is the largest issue. I think assail should complement a specialist-focused staff and help along with horde clear

[spice veldt]

it's also about your teammates

[true lake]

tired of you assholes acting like the only way to have fun in the game is with forcing challenges on everyone

[spice veldt]

that's the whole point

[sullen bobcat]

Legitimately, stop this pity party

[true lake]

go fuck yourself

[spice veldt]

what is happening

[tall mango]

holy shit get off your high horse pity party

[true lake]

because you want to sit here and be elitist pieces of shit

[glad meadow]

Is the one with the stav better for my setup?

[tidal mist]

i haven't used assail that much but i felt that the ammo didn't bother me, the peril seemed high enough to limit me that i wouldn't really run outta ammo

[upper galleon]

tbh the only thing that got nerfed to obscurity was taxe and bolter on zealot

[fallow meadow]

I would say slower ammo regen and lower peril per shot can work.

[glad meadow]

Stab

[snow scaffold]

I just played with the crappiest Psyker. Dude was literally BB for 3 mins, I was watching them cause they play so strange. Both of them are using flame in damnation hishock unbelievable

[sullen bobcat]

One of those people who are self-centered and can't deal with nerfs

[worn cypress]

https://tenor.com/bhXPS.gif

[true lake]

just go absolutely fuck yourself

[upper galleon]

yee, I want to take crit chance aura, but I need venting shriek

[glad meadow]

Wait is flame staff not good?

[exotic igloo]

Yeah let's just ignore how unfun it makes things for other players.

[sullen bobcat]

@lament glen

[tall mango]

someone can’t handle a proper discussion

anyway

[upper galleon]

you are gonna earn yourself a TO at this point

[true lake]

i dont fucking care id rather have that over listening to this piece of shit

[upper galleon]

flame staff is great

[sullen bobcat]

If only discord had a block feature

[tall mango]

How would you all feel about smite being buffed post bug fix

[upper galleon]

all staffs are great rn

[lament glen]

Rule 1, time out.

[upper galleon]

void being too great

[thorn cedar]

Gamers are funny.

[glad meadow]

What is flame niche?

[tall mango]

lowered peril cost and making the left click actually do damage would be pretty cool

like it says it should

[sullen bobcat]

How does a timeout/mute work on this server? I usually see it as a role

[upper galleon]

i think flame BB with warp charges is the best

and take shriek for the AoE fire

[glad meadow]

I thought it is for horde, so i use it with my issil force sword

[upper galleon]

you awnt deimos with purge staff

[sullen bobcat]

CC/horde/mixed horde

[upper galleon]

not illisi

[exotic igloo]

You can just give a timeout for X amount of time/days

[sullen bobcat]

It kills elites in horde fairly well

[proven stirrup]

Discord's block feature is unhelpful at best, disruptive at worst

[tidal mist]

i kinda found it harder to get and maintain warp charges than before the skill trees

[upper galleon]

and BB gives you great dps on things that are out of range

[proven stirrup]

Yeah, it's an option, But it's a shitty one

[fallow meadow]

Flame is still on the play, but I think trauma can do everything better.

[upper galleon]

i find it easier actaully

[glad meadow]

Thats about everything

[upper galleon]

i can get 2 charges off one elite

[toxic crown]

started the day making a Psyker, I am lv 16 now and having so much fun, only blown myself up 3 times

[tall mango]

i find it way easier

[upper galleon]

if they die to soulblaze

[sullen bobcat]

"you wanna get angry and see someone you don't like. Huh? You wanna. Click this to get annoyed."

[upper galleon]

and i win the rng

[exotic igloo]

So what is the take on the Shield vs Shriek vs the one that gens peril that I can't remember the name of

[lament glen]

the role exists if we want to pull someone aside to talk to them if they don't have public DM's. Timeouts are just a blanket "you can't post for X amount of time"- they're a feature which discord added fairly recently

[glad meadow]

Is there any bad thing about purge staff vs other staff?

What does it bad at?

[upper galleon]

scriers is for gunkers

[tidal mist]

i think it might be just the party i was with... there was an assail psyker absolutely killing everything and i was going hum dee dum

[cyan notch]

only 3? u gotta pump those numbers up

[upper galleon]

no range no burst

[autumn smelt]

theyre both very good, and the illisi is arguable a bit better in general all around, but either work, it just comes down to which moveset you like more between the two
illisi is generally more add clear, and the deimos is more single target focused
i prefer the deimos with the purgatus personally due to the purgatus already being so good at group clear that you tend to already be using it in moments when you would be using a melee if you were another class, so i use the deimos as a high damaging single target weapon to get that one fucker out of my face

[sullen bobcat]

Yeah. On the other servers I'm on, it's always been a role since they're usually much older communities

[exotic igloo]

Oh good to know. Wasn't sure how to build up my gunker after this. Is there a popular gun post pinning fire nerf?

[proven stirrup]

I really wanna run a smite build but I'm very lost among all this new shit

[tidal mist]

though the 4% chance for my allies to give me stax didn't seem to be working a whole lot, and my team were getting the elites before i could

[toxic crown]

well, the first time happened completely by accident, the second and third I got greedy to kill something

[glad meadow]

Should use use the charge fire for flame or tap fire?

[steep frost]

So how would y'all build around Assail?

[exotic igloo]

I don't wanna use it atm because it feels so busted

[worn cypress]

there was a post sometime ago collecting data on winrate of different weps in hi int shock troop, and purg had a lower win rate compared to others. which makes sense, it was the recommended "starter" staff hence more newer folks would use it, and newer folks are naturally less experienced and would lose more

[sullen bobcat]

Charge 99% of the time. I tap ocassionally for a single target to apply a quick hit of CC before I melee

[cyan notch]

left click for stagger and right click for everything else

[worn cypress]

but seems like a lot of people ran with it and now think purg is shit

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tidal mist]

i only tap when i'm moving around and just using it puff at random stragglers, mostly just charge

[fallow meadow]

Yeah, I like the original BB better. At least I can take the warp charge control on my own hand.

[tidal mist]

i should just switch to the sword and swat the random stragglers

[autumn smelt]

tap fire is only really good if youre trying to stagger something real quick before you use your sword on them, or if youre in a situation where you need to get from point a to point b and theres enemies in the way, where youd be poofing them in the face to stagger them
any other situation youd probably charge it

[exotic igloo]

Do most non-gunkers run the shield? Anyone still running the OG vent?

[sullen bobcat]

I personally don't think purge's role is all that useful. Horde clear / weaker CC is just not really needed on high difficulties when the main issue is just special spam

[echo cosmos]

When other people run dome I always forget that dome doesn't have the anti elite/special of wall

[tidal mist]

i remember old BB gave you a charge on any BB kill, that's not a thing anymore is it?

[sullen bobcat]

The square shield needs a buff tbh

[exotic igloo]

I always preferred the Surge or Trauma tbh

[autumn smelt]

its pretty good at killing and staggering them when youre in a horde, which is likely when youd start to struggle to kill them

[echo cosmos]

[worn cypress]

eh, I love purg. it's a real nice spacemaker

"stand your ground" weapon I suppose

[echo cosmos]

The wall is amazing

[worn cypress]

it's a different sort of cc than (old) surge

[sullen bobcat]

I think compared to the bubble, the square one feels a little lacking

[echo cosmos]

Disagree

[tidal mist]

i think 2 stacks of wall works well with BB which gets buffed after using your skill

[fallow meadow]

Yeah, charge and BB is separate now.

[echo cosmos]

Wall is significantly more useful

[toxic crown]

whoever it was earlier that recommended the surge staff, thank you, its fun

[cyan notch]

its me ur welcome

[echo cosmos]

Although it doesn't have as much coverage area, it stops elites and specials

And you get 2, with a shorter cooldown to boot

[worn cypress]

I need to go try the new surge

[sullen bobcat]

Or just shoot them

[worn cypress]

been having too much fun with the new VS

[fallow meadow]

Most staff are fun. Flame is kind a boring to me now.

[glad meadow]

So the surge is literally just smite in weapon form at higher difficulty then?

[echo cosmos]

Well yea, wall makes it easier to do that

[tidal mist]

i haven't really put it through its paces yet, but dome is just good for blocking snipers and gunners, the square can CC muties, bulwarks, crushers, maulers and whatnot which will just waltz into your dome

[fallow meadow]

Surge only hit 2 foe now, but do a lot more damage.

[echo cosmos]

Sure dome has some toughness benefits while inside, but you don't stay inside the dome long enough to get those benefits

[glad meadow]

Dont dome get you a bunch of toughness?

[exotic igloo]

I feel like shield in general is just a way to cover for bad sliding/dodging skill...

[worn cypress]

it does

[exotic igloo]

Trying to see why to take it

[fallow meadow]

10%/sec. Not a lot.

[worn cypress]

but the zealots have been doing that way better than my dome does

[echo cosmos]

Blocking mutants

[worn cypress]

blocking shit with the square feels more useful

[primal vine]

its great for builds that prioritize close range

[echo cosmos]

And advancing in hallways

[glad meadow]

Both are equally bad at blocking ranged enemies right?

[echo cosmos]

You can put a wall in front of shooters and because heretics are idiots, they never try to move through

[glad meadow]

Wrong reply

I know that they dont have much health

[tidal mist]

i've seen shooters and snipers just continuously shoot a dome ineffectually

[glad meadow]

So they cant really take elite ranged

[echo cosmos]

They have more than enough health, believe me

[tidal mist]

kine shield cooldown also isn't that long? feels very spammable

[echo cosmos]

They won't go down unless like 2 reapers are dumping mags into them

[fallow meadow]

I would say dome is more of a "OH SHIT" or lazy option.

[tidal mist]

if you're getting swarmed by hordes and shit though the dome is pretty useless

[echo cosmos]

I tried the dome and it is always just meh

[tidal mist]

if your team can't deal with snipers it can feel pretty clutch

probably great at lower levels of play

[north pike]

The domes toughness gen is pretty nice

[tidal mist]

once you git gud it probably just feels like a crutch skill

[exotic igloo]

That was my thought as well

[echo cosmos]

Also wall stops crusher in their tracks, so your team can focus them, and opens bulwark to easy damage

[orchid nest]

dome does have the cool use of stopping beast a nurgle puke inside of it instead of just the sides. so you can just sit there and melee it to death and it won't try to grab you since you won't have any slime stacks

[tidal mist]

don't monstrosities move around a lot though

can you even abuse that

[echo cosmos]

I will be honest, I have never noticed the dome bonuses

All I thought when using dome was "Damn I wish I was using walls right now"

[orchid nest]

you can abuse it pretty well if people know but yeah it could wander off if it aggros someone far away

[tidal mist]

i haven't tried the other classes new trees yet but psyker has so many gain toughness on kill nodes

[spice veldt]

the bonbon likes to melee if you're close, and if he spits inside the bubble, it straight up will do nothing since the bubble completely prevents ranged attacks
though it's really only for the bonbon

[glad meadow]

I managed to stack a few dome on top of each other

[tidal mist]

so like whats the dome toughness on top of that

[glad meadow]

It does seem to charge tour toughness faster

But i generate toughness all the time so i cant say its a good metric

[echo cosmos]

Scriers is probably better for toughness if that is what you want

[glad meadow]

With the dome, is there reason to take the other two?

The shriek do pathetic amount of damage

[exotic igloo]

Yeah don't take the damage ones on the shriek

[fallow meadow]

One thing dome is nice is that it can block unmark flamer in a messy fight.

[exotic igloo]

they are bad

[echo cosmos]

With shriek you use it to stop yourself from exploding

One thing you are all forgetting

Wall does the exact same thing, except it also stops their movement

[tidal mist]

shrieks for people who really wanna go off the rails with spamming warp shit, but i'm personally fine with peril management unless i take scrier lol

[echo cosmos]

Shriek would be a great stagger tool if another class didn't do even better looking at you zealot

[exotic igloo]

How can you play psyker and not want to spam warp shit?!

[glad meadow]

I feel like shriek is too infrequent for warp spam

It probably faster for me to hit 100 then reduce peril

[exotic igloo]

I find range to not be much of an issue so I run shriek that way I don't have to worry about perils. Also occassionally help someone who is dogged

[glad meadow]

It does seem to reduce faster when you hit 100

[wooden tulip]

What aura upgrade do you all tend to use?

[fallow meadow]

Can anyone confirm how shield work on bomber's fire bomb?

[echo cosmos]

People using dome is just confusing for me because it doesn't have much utility besides regening toughness

Which would be good if it didn't block ranged damage, the main thing that toughness is for

[echo cosmos]

Blocks the nade but not the fire

The nade itself is stopped, but the fire still goes on both sides of the shield

[exotic igloo]

Oof

[echo cosmos]

You can meme a cornered bomber by putting a wall in front of them when they are about to throw a nade

And with that short cooldown, you can afford to

They can't escape because the wall staggers them

[pearl heron]

still loosing my mind trying to get the warp battery penance with the changes to warp siphon T_T

[glad meadow]

Is there a way to use scrier with stagf effectively?

[echo cosmos]

It is nearly as funny as pushing a daemonhost off the map with the zealot relic ult

[orchid nest]

I tend to like the walls more dome does decent though. it's good for chaotic point defense since it'll stop the ranged fire inside of it too. the walls can be pretty clutch though especially for shock troop gauntlet

[upper galleon]

transfer peril void staff and even then

[quiet island]

Hi, im new psyker. How do I play this class?

[upper galleon]

scrier is def gunker coded

[fallow meadow]

Soooo daemonhost don't really fly...

[exotic igloo]

I thought walls could only handle a few dudes bouncing off before they break? Or can you spam it.

[echo cosmos]

With reduced peril gen, you can run warp stuff pretty well

[orchid nest]

they do pretty well compared to what people thought before the patch

[upper galleon]

ehh over venting or shield?

[fallow meadow]

Pick on whatever gun you can get and level up first.

Not much you can do on low level

[orchid nest]

if you mean the special staggers yeah they get a few but it can be enough breaking up of a wave to make a huge difference

[autumn smelt]

just dont use your ability and either bb or assail elites, and use the 4% coherency node

[echo cosmos]

Actually yea. With Assail and battle meditation you can go a pretty long time

Just make sure you don't explode

[upper galleon]

yea im not good at that

[exotic igloo]

Yeah this is what I meant. I saw Ryken's video and they broke pretty quickly.

[echo cosmos]

Exploding is why I don't run it

[teal needle]

Never not bringing shield lol. It's such good insurance

[upper galleon]

i'm def going for "table top realism" explosions

[echo cosmos]

I always explode

[rain carbon]

Do the hits of the assail shards count as weakspot damage?

[glad meadow]

I run it fairly well, but found that hmm, i cant ever get to 30 stack at all

[echo cosmos]

If they hit weakspot

[glad meadow]

And the weak spot hit doesnt work for staff

[orchid nest]

it's kind of a focus and micro helping thing because it's a huge load off your mind to know that "this direction is safe" from any disabler or net, grenade, flames, whatever

[echo cosmos]

Yea that's why I run it

So that I can create an area of safety

[low charm]

There is not a max on stacks of soulblaze, right?

[pearl heron]

Yes, 5 minutes straight is just so long with stretches in between fights, and with random teammates killing elites its a real struggle

[echo cosmos]

And also because mutants running into stuff is almost as funny as electricuting mutants, which causes them to use their only stagger animation and sound (running into a wall)

They try to charge and fail repeatedly

Its hilarious

[autumn smelt]

there is the 10% chance on soublaze too yeah, but idk if that has to be you that kills it

[orchid nest]

it's funny on poxbursters they get stuck being staggered a lot of times and keep staggering well off into the distance

[echo cosmos]

Honestly stopping bursters is probably the best part of the wall

[orchid nest]

yeah you can even save a team mate mid leap like a regular push

[echo cosmos]

Except you dont need to worry about said push being eaten by other hitboxes

And it is very hard to waste a wall

[fallow meadow]

It is very funny to see burster falling over with staff's LMB

[unreal dust]

Can I say that I legitimately hate that I have no choice about losing Warp Siphon charges when using my Combat Ability? >.>

[outer wren]

Just unbind your ability button. Ez /joke

[teal needle]

lol I just did two A5s with all psykers. The first one wiped before the first event and the second cruised through

[glad meadow]

Hello again

[low charm]

Is the Deimos attack icons bugged?

[glad meadow]

Dang i want my tomboy psycher

[echo cosmos]

Idk I haven't used Deimos in forever

[unreal dust]

Yes

[upper galleon]

they are easier to get tbh

you get one every elite kill or special instead of BB kill

[teal needle]

Void charges are easier to get and keep up now yeah

[outer wren]

also one every ~25 kills on avg 😄 (doesnt even have to be YOU killing)

[teal needle]

Only issue is they dissapear when you ult

[echo cosmos]

Yea I love the buffed dueling blade.

You do massive damage to everything

[autumn smelt]

the difference now is that if you get unlucky with your node procs and your team just killing all of the elites, you can just fail it since you couldnt just BB some dude in the corner and get another stack

so you could just be gimped out of the penance

[proven stirrup]

I think I'm hooked on the shield bubble

[outer wren]

But Stuns! 😭

[unreal dust]

But stopping bombers, flamers, and snipers...

[proven stirrup]

Oh they're both good

[outer wren]

Wall does that anyways? What am I missing

[proven stirrup]

Healing

[upper galleon]

i go the soulblaze one tbh

[unreal dust]

Wall isn't really going to stop a bomber throwing over it

[upper galleon]

ehh? i don't have issues with this

[teal needle]

Voidstrike usually chews through everything fast enough that I get a ton of elite kills

[autumn smelt]

yeah this penance definitely is not as easy as it was
you could just get it done on your first attempt previously

[tidal mist]

it can stun specials that walk through it, so it can be better for dealing with melee specials

[upper galleon]

maybe on normal damn but auric damn it feels ez

[autumn smelt]

this is specifically in regards to the penance

[outer wren]

Why would you need to heal? Everthing you need to care about is stunned or cant shoot you 😄

[upper galleon]

empowered is needed for assail rn tho OHHH ok

[autumn smelt]

where you keep it up for 5 min straight

[upper galleon]

jsut can't use F I guess

get 6 charges so you have some wiggle room

[unreal dust]

Dancing a chaos spawn in the bubble

[proven stirrup]

Bro, I play with pugs, I'm not expecting high skill play

[echo cosmos]

Okay but crusher and bulwark staggers

[proven stirrup]

I just like the coverage and the heal

[echo cosmos]

And dog protection

And and and

[proven stirrup]

Honestly, they both clearly have strong points

which I absolutely love

I'm not knocking the wall for sure

[outer wren]

Im just over here with 2 Wall charges that both (when fixed) should have a 22 sec CD each. 👀

[proven stirrup]

I think I just like being a heal main

[upper galleon]

wail is great

i'm just insane

and need venting

or else i'll be a liability

no i shall not git gud

[outer wren]

just throw shards at everything 🙂

[upper galleon]

i am

[teal needle]

I can't live without wall ever again. It's just too gud. Sit in a corner and be immune to muties and dogs and fire

[upper galleon]

that is usually why i need venting

[outer wren]

autoaim = gud right?

Thats what console players say in every FPS right?

[upper galleon]

lol

idk from first hand

[echo cosmos]

This

[outer wren]

I wouldnt know either, Im too mouse and keyboard to understand auto aim

[upper galleon]

but second hand it seems like you acn only choose between too strong and too weak

[echo cosmos]

Fun fact!

You cannot blow yourself up with smite. It is physically impossible

[upper galleon]

fatshark needed to add more crutch to surge 2.0

[outer wren]

Oh yeah!? Watch me! 🤯

[echo cosmos]

I tried

[outer wren]

Wanna see me do it again?

🤯

(is joke)

[glad meadow]

You can with scrier

[midnight bluff]

quell peril and what on voidstrike? is warp flurry best?

[gaunt remnant]

does assail the psyker blue shards hit weakspots when you throw them?

[glad meadow]

Saw a guy dying when trying to clutch using smite and then kill himself

[outer wren]

They auto aim based on your cursor

So yes and no

[gaunt remnant]

was wondering if it was worth to take mettle then cause I know brain burst always hit weakspots

[sour bison]

died of cringe probably

[gaunt remnant]

but I wanted to try assail build

[sour bison]

assail trying to hit head

not always happening

[outer wren]

Guy: UNLIMITED POWERRRRRR!!!
Also Guy: Uh Oh... 🤯

[sour bison]

funny how smite hasn't been tested before release

[tough stump]

what voiceline speak about beloved stuff

i wanna change

[autumn smelt]

seer

[spice veldt]

you'll want Surge, since there's the True Aim feat (bottom of the right side) which guarantees a crit every 5 weakspot hits. You can see where this is going

[tough stump]

i guess i'll have to reset my

progress

for it

[gaunt remnant]

I think the rightclick on assail hits weakspots always but costs more to use

[spice veldt]

it may or may not be more reliable

[autumn smelt]

goes way further, and can reliably one shot snipers

[spice veldt]

but it's also not guaranteed 😔

[sour bison]

yeah and it tracks your target

[autumn smelt]

assuming it hits the head, though it normally does

[ashen schooner]

kinda wish surge and void had their damage switched

[spice veldt]

too bad the RMB is too slow to use in most situations

[outer wren]

Assail has autoaim based off of your cursor placement

[tall mango]

it just kinda..stops, its so weird

[sour bison]

fuckin shizo - heretiic missile

[outer wren]

You aim well it will do well, you aim bad it will do bad

[ashen schooner]

void would still be great and surge would more reliably kill elites

[sour bison]

surge is great for killing crushers

[lunar hollow]

@spice veldt what build do u run

give me ur psyker wisdom

[spice veldt]

i'm changing things around for now but let's see

[gaunt remnant]

is there any downsides to playing at 90 peril

cause you can just tap r and still cast safely

[ashen schooner]

accidently blowing yourself up

[upper galleon]

yee void is just better rn

for somer eason

[spice veldt]

there's no strict downside to it

[outer wren]

Not being at 100% Peril for max damage from Peril based effects 😄

[upper galleon]

i don't think assail has that safety net

[spice veldt]

if you can safely manage it and you don't need to continuous cast, then you can do that repeatedly

but if you mess up your timing even once

you are dead

[upper galleon]

and scriers def doesn't, if you don't stop when you hit 100% you will blow up

[gaunt remnant]

you can rightclick at 97 peril and still be chilling

[outer wren]

or be me, left click twice because glares at broken left click from Assail Spam and blow up :I

[upper galleon]

assail is real easy to be spamming left click at 80 peril then opps

[midnight bluff]

No I'm talking bout blessings, unless I misinterpreted

[gaunt remnant]

yeah if im left clicking im staying around 70

[worn cypress]

what procs peril gain on assail?

[outer wren]

Now Im wondering if you guys are running peril reductiona t all

[spice veldt]

ye, Surge is another blessing (which has the same name as the staff; thank fatshark)

[outer wren]

I believe its just 10% per projectile at default

[upper galleon]

10% on left click, 20% on right clicks (you can aim, they go farther, and they go for weakspots always)

[midnight bluff]

Ah kk

[spice veldt]

Surge shoots out a 2nd projectile on a crit

[midnight bluff]

Oh nutty

[worn cypress]

yeah I figured its around those numbers, but I keep accruing more than I'd expect and blowing up

[midnight bluff]

Like a charged proj??

[worn cypress]

idk

[upper galleon]

cause especially when you run empowered your peril gain is very inconsistent

with it being much spammier than BB

[worn cypress]

oh 🤔

[spice veldt]

i don't know the specifics but everyone says that it's good so probably a charged projectile

[worn cypress]

thats true

[midnight bluff]

Wack

[worn cypress]

yeah I think that might be it bc I was trying empowered

[outer wren]

Does Warp Nexus only apply to staff attacks or does that crit go towards everything?

[spice veldt]

god bless guaranteed crits

[upper galleon]

cara over infested for crusher reliablility

[sterile saddle]

if the staff is equipped

it applies to everything

[unreal wasp]

Hoo boy

[glad meadow]

do you think this game would benefit from seasons like Diablo

[unreal wasp]

I didn't think I was going to really like the bubble

[worn cypress]

relearning peril management is wild, I miss being good at the game

[glad meadow]

just like wipe all character progress save for penance and cosmetic

[unreal wasp]

I now don't think I'm going to use anything OTHER than the bubble

[glad meadow]

so you grind it all over again

[worn cypress]

the more I use the bubble the less of a fan I am idk

[sterile saddle]

ive tried running Cara Vrs Flak, strangely I can 2 shot crushers reliably without it. Flak Enemies somehow survive 2 hits without the buff

[outer wren]

Just wait until 6+ Doggos or Chargers are running for your bum. Youll pray for a wall then! 🙂

[worn cypress]

the old ability feels like a better panic button

[unreal dust]

So, frustrated with Warp Siphon and Shield hating each other...

[worn cypress]

and the square is better for intentional shielding

[glad meadow]

i use the bubble mostly cus with random, it like a rallying point

[sterile saddle]

square shield is soooo good

[glad meadow]

they just come close to me for a hug

[unreal wasp]

I really like the toughness regen

[sterile saddle]

I use assail for the regen

[worn cypress]

but I think my opinion's biased against playing with zealot friends with that toughness ability

[outer wren]

^

[worn cypress]

the bubble felt redundant

[full kestrel]

what is square shield

[glad meadow]

I dont have problemw with regen

The uh what is it

[outer wren]

Why have bubble regen shield when doing anything Peril based will give you it all back? xD

[glad meadow]

The peril based toughness was enoigh for me

[full kestrel]

is it the non bubble bubble? I thought that was a line

[outer wren]

not bubble shield

[worn cypress]

non bubble shield

[unreal wasp]

Does assail regen team toughness?

[full kestrel]

bruh its not a line??

[sterile saddle]

it can

[full kestrel]

oh ok square but 2d

[sour bison]

it is warp attack so yeah

[sterile saddle]

if u get the perk to regen 15% of teamates tuffness

[glad meadow]

Ey fuck your team

[midnight bluff]

Aint squares 2d?

[glad meadow]

But i can see the benefit of square

It just kinda smol

[worn cypress]

team toughness is the job of the zealot

[unreal wasp]

Wait, using warp attacks can regenerate toughness for teammates in coherency now?

[full kestrel]

yes im just not all there

[outer wren]

I see it more like: Hordes dead, specials are stunned. The heck you need toughness for?

[midnight bluff]

Join the club!!

[sterile saddle]

a small amount

[sour bison]

no way assail not being nerfed next patch

[sterile saddle]

15% of YOUR tuffness regen is given to teamates

so it's like.. 2-5%

[worn cypress]

yeah assail needs more cd at least

[glad meadow]

I usually plan for the worst, not the best circumstance in this game

[full kestrel]

I feel like the bubble is superior in general given hordes come from both sides now, and you can get toughness regen to your allies

[sour bison]

its more than 0

[sterile saddle]

yea

bubble doesn't protect u from hordes tho

[glad meadow]

Your team can just randomly get pushed down a pit

[outer wren]

Im not sure Ive seen a community more happy to nerf their own toys than this one

[full kestrel]

is it a % though or is it a number

I was under the impression its a number

[sterile saddle]

i think its a percentage

[unreal wasp]

I protect myself from hordes with Illisi
I am a melee gunker

[sour bison]

its so good its overshadows whole psyker toolkit

[full kestrel]

with assail dont really need protection from hordes, special stun would probably be nice and I'll have to play around with it but yeah

[sterile saddle]

Yeah I actually run illisi with deflector

and its awsum

[glad meadow]

I kinda dont like assail

[outer wren]

I mean, I see Horde Clear, Single target Damage, and aoe CC, they all do different things

[sour bison]

i love it

[full kestrel]

assail is too good to pass up on

[cyan moss]

assail is my favourite thing literally ever

im addicted to it

[glad meadow]

As a bb guy, it pain me to see the assail dude judt do my job better

[worn cypress]

assail is so yeet, its fun

[cyan moss]

i call them my bees
they fly like bees and sound like them too

[glad meadow]

And if you buff brain burst to assail level

[full kestrel]

i like BB as a concept but yeah its not good enough to play

[sour bison]

assail is very fun to use

[glad meadow]

They would lose their identity

[cyan moss]

i can click and just vaguely look in the direction of an enemy and they are dead

[worn cypress]

I really do hope assail gets balanced a bit

[cyan moss]

im terrified that fat shark is gonna nerf assail tbh

[worn cypress]

would love to play BB and smite too sometimes

[sour bison]

it will be still great with 20-30% damage nerf

[full kestrel]

they will nerf it

[sterile saddle]

smite and bb work great

[outer wren]

if I were to nerf Assail Id make it worse vs tankier targets, to let things like brain burst shine. It SHOULD be good vs hordes of trash

[sterile saddle]

i run smite on my gunsiker

[glad meadow]

Nah obesefish wont nerf assail too badly

[cyan moss]

yeeeaaaaaaahhh thats a good point

[worn cypress]

not like nerf to the ground but like, make it great but not overwhelmingly

[cyan moss]

assail is what encouraged me to do more heresy missions instead of just malice

[glad meadow]

It like the first win they have with the returning casual players

[sterile saddle]

when u need to reposition u just poop lightning and move

[unreal wasp]

Even though I'm a gunker I don't use any of the right side of the tree

[glad meadow]

Didnt you just said you a melee psycher

[sour bison]

damnation is easier in pugs than heresy btw

[full kestrel]

does bubble stack, does anyone know

[unreal wasp]

Melee gunker*

[cyan moss]

"in pugs" ? /genq

[full kestrel]

if I put down 2 bubbles at the same time is it 10% or 20% toughness per second

[sterile saddle]

quickmatch

[glad meadow]

So you bash enemies?

[sour bison]

with randos

[glad meadow]

Like an orgyn?

How uncivilized

[cyan moss]

ahh

[sterile saddle]

i learned the hard way that pistol shove uses peril

5%

[worn cypress]

melee psyker best psyker bro

[glad meadow]

What?

Really?

[cyan moss]

how
i havent done damnation bcos heresy is still a p big step

how is it easier?
/genq

[sterile saddle]

laspistol not revovler

[glad meadow]

Pistol shove use peril? How?

[unreal wasp]

The Heavy Las uses a force push

[sour bison]

better players playing damnation

[glad meadow]

All las pistol?

[worn cypress]

people who queue damnation tend to be better at playing as a team, making the game easier

[sterile saddle]

yeh

[glad meadow]

Ah ok

[cyan moss]

good point

[glad meadow]

I gotta try it out

[cyan moss]

thank you!

[glad meadow]

I have problem spamming my peril for toughness

[worn cypress]

theres quite a lot of people who are skill-wise "stuck at heresy"

[sour bison]

and if u cant clear it 3 times out of 5 than you are the problem and must get gud

[worn cypress]

and err its not so great playing with them

[sterile saddle]

i had a zealot carry my last match dude was edging low hp build and spamming his weed cannon

[unreal wasp]

Being able to get toughness from Warp Kills AND Quelling AND Generating is just... G U H

[sterile saddle]

just stand near him and use my voidstick to kill ogryn

he killed everything else

[full kestrel]

@cyan mosstechnically, auric can be easy if you get 3 guys who are decent, they can carry you, but since I hate having dead weights on my team I'll advise you to stick to somewhere you can act be useful

I saw a lvl 20 and 25 guy in auric maelstrom today xd

[worn cypress]

so glad the zealot low hp build is finally viable safely

[lament sparrow]

i really cant choose between biolightning and assail

[sterile saddle]

i mean he got grabbed by a mutant

and insta-gibbed

lol

it slammed him down and his hp depleted

[crude cape]

are you stacking wound curios with it? mind sharing
?"

[cyan moss]

yeah, i hate dragging others down, so im slowly building up till im confident enough to move up to damnation, then auric i think

[worn cypress]

lots of those are just people leveling alts

[sterile saddle]

i usually block muties with squareshield but i was out of charges

[full kestrel]

sure but auric maelstrom with lvl 20 gear I don't believe you can be a not dead weight on

[worn cypress]

I got side eyed severely playing hi int shock troop leveling my vet, back before auric

still carried

[round charm]

what are some of the new good weapons to be using, and does this happen to be one of them?

[worn cypress]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full kestrel]

I did maelstroms before I was lvl 30 on my psyker too when I was levelling it and often did better than everyone else

[lament sparrow]

whats the best ranged weapon to pair with biolightning?

[full kestrel]

the other chars I levelled before maelstrom or auric

[sterile saddle]

catchcan is good if u can actually pull off the parry

poke ogryn and maulers in the face

[round charm]

hows the hording on it?

[sterile saddle]

i heard u can parry muties

dunno.. probably bad

none of the 'crowd control' weapons ive seen actually commit to controling hordes

[full kestrel]

ultimately skill matters more than gear, but the thing is, do I trust this lvl 20 and 25 guy to not wipe us? Absolutely not
Plus, theres the whole thing of damnation HP with low power weapons, you'll be tickling things

[sterile saddle]

fatshark "CC" equates to knocknig down, or ragdolling enemies. Which makes it harder to kill them

cause they get up

and now they are behind u

[full kestrel]

lmao true

[formal hill]

Just kill them

[sterile saddle]

yeh

its much easier

I really wanted to use shovel as a vet

but is bad

[lament sparrow]

?

[sour bison]

Im just votekick non30 players from damnation

[limber heath]

whats the best stick for carapace enemies?

[sour bison]

Always working

[sterile saddle]

i like Voidstrike and Surge

[formal hill]

Can't you not play Auric missions unless you're level 30? Lol

[sterile saddle]

for carapace

[gray kelp]

what perks/blessings do you guys like to run on trauma staff

[sterile saddle]

i'm like 90% certain surge does like.. double damage to carapace

[full kestrel]

since they were lvl 25 and 20, that means they were premade with the lvl 30 (otherwise cant get in auric), so they were a group of 3

[limber heath]

great tahknes

[sour bison]

Welp

[full kestrel]

I left lol

let them figure themselves out

[weary arrow]

can assail arrows crit?

[unreal dust]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sheev-palpatine-unlimited-power-power-force-gif-5073064

So, frustrated with Warp Siphon and losing stacks before engagements to make shield use efficient... ... I tried Empowered Blitz + Smite.
That shit is hilarious.

[full kestrel]

yes

[sterile saddle]

unless they completely reworked surge anyways. Even when it was a CC stick, if a dude rolled up in flak or carapace.. lulz.. u'd nuke them

[sour bison]

Yes

[toxic crown]

Well fellow Psykers, today was fun. started the day with no experience at all with this class, and ended it having some of the best fun I have had with Darktide so far.

[weary arrow]

whats their base crit chance if anyone knows?

[unreal dust]

I can just hold the channel for Smite without any peril gain or loss. Just non-stop. Holding it. Murdering and stunlocking everything

[sterile saddle]

probably 0

[formal hill]

Virgin Assail Users vs Chad Smite Enjoyers

[sour bison]

Welcome to the club buddy

[sterile saddle]

lol

[unreal dust]

Like... There's no -end- to the Smite channel when empowered. I held it for a full minute before I ran out of things to kill >>

[sterile saddle]

what about us lurkers who run scriers?

[sour bison]

Scriers + assail

[full kestrel]

with full peril resist perks and warp charges it's a no brainer to run shield

not only do you have no cooldown on your thing, but you actually dont get peril almost

[inner remnant]

So, its just me or brain burst got nerfed

[sour bison]

Its not, just everything have more hp now

[inner remnant]

So, it got nerfed

indirectly, but it did

[sour bison]

Also talents will buff it

[proven stirrup]

That's not how nerfs work, fam

[gray kelp]

you could run empowered keystone for +50% damage

garunteed stacks on elite kills is a perk choice for it

[proven stirrup]

People are still figuring builds out, I'm pretty sure brain burst is fine

[full kestrel]

its not

I mean it's playable but not comparatively

[inner remnant]

Trying malleus monstronum

Not fun

[upper galleon]

it is just need 6 warp charges and the peril=damage feat

[inner remnant]

warp charges are harder to earn AND keep

[proven stirrup]

Given how overtuned assail is, I'd not be so quick to say this

[sour bison]

Assail is too good and smite is just broken

[full kestrel]

assail>>>brainburst

brainburst is playable

but its not good comparatively

[proven stirrup]

Assail is better than every other fucking class in the game right now.

Stop comparing shit to that broken ability.

[sour bison]

True

[full kestrel]

not ogryn with flame blessing

[upper galleon]

assail has much worse armor and unyielding damage

[unreal dust]

I just... hate losing Warp Siphon stacks. It feels so bad to lose all that damage and Peril Resist at the -start- of an engagement

[full kestrel]

ogryn flame is literally bugged

[gray kelp]

ogryn can probably be stronger but yeah assail is overtuned clearly lol

[upper galleon]

and with purge staff, you aren't gonna double down on horde clear and take assail over BB (hopefully)

[sour bison]

Smite level of bugged?

[proven stirrup]

Assail can destroy everything else

[full kestrel]

don't use it at the start, or if you do, you'll get it soon enough

[proven stirrup]

Guns can pop your heavier targets

[full kestrel]

yeah it does like insane damage rn

[proven stirrup]

Assail is not a reasonable point of comparison

[full kestrel]

maybe not smite levels but pretty up there

[proven stirrup]

Brain burst is ok

[upper galleon]

well considering that needs a private game just ask your party not to hit the monsters

[unreal dust]

I position Bubble aggressively though. So we can breach and clear big rooms safely

[inner remnant]

I did

[upper galleon]

like I consider BB a must with purge staff

[inner remnant]

I sitll did So little ddamage to the monsters

[proven stirrup]

It could stand to have a bump maybe but they have to address how nothing is in line anymore lmao

[full kestrel]

same, but you only need to do that if theres shooters

[inner remnant]

it had enough time to spawn a hord

[unreal dust]

There's always shooters ;.;

[full kestrel]

otherwise you use it when your allies are losing toughness

[upper galleon]

sadly it just makes venting more of a downside cause it has quicken tacked onto it instead of optional talent choice

[upper galleon]

on heresy?

[full kestrel]

you get your charges back very fast if its the very start of an engagement and I'd rather lose dps to make sure my team takes literally 0 damage lol

shield is actually insane, it stops flame trappers nets and grenades fall at the border, snipers can't even target you (can still hit you though just not start the shot)

[upper galleon]

anyways, with warp siphon and quicken tacked together, you just have to get used to it

tbh

[proven stirrup]

Yeah the shield is nutty

[inner remnant]

yes.

[proven stirrup]

My favorite out of all of the new ults

[full kestrel]

yep its fun to play with

[fluid knot]

Its really not

[gray kelp]

I just wish left shield was slightly better and scrier's got buffed, wrath + right shield feels great but scrier is meh

[proven stirrup]

Cope

[fluid knot]

Its very strong, but its not broken like people are making it out to be

Voidstrike is broken

[upper galleon]

assail as 2 big weaknesses and that is armor and beefy units

void is the broken one

[proven stirrup]

You wanna say that before it inevitably gets tuned down

[fluid knot]

And it sucks major ass vs monsters

[upper galleon]

yes, because honesty is the best policy

[fluid knot]

Like its abysmal vs monsters

[upper galleon]

those are beefy yes

[proven stirrup]

I dunno why I end up the one being replied to with this drivel

[fluid knot]

Because you're probably playing 3s or 4s lol

Where yes, it has no particular weakness, like everything else

[proven stirrup]

Weaknesses in higher level play are just as obvious in lower level play when you're not as skilled but sure.

My point is, it's pulling a bit too much weight

[fluid knot]

Not when everything has much less HP

[round charm]

i have no idea what im doing buildwise. does this seem like it will function?

[proven stirrup]

Sure

[gray kelp]

weapons like assails by design perform a lot better on lower diffs, its like swiftbow in vermentide by comparison

[fluid knot]

You joined in june, so i'll give you a pass, but its really not OP

[gray kelp]

machine gun obliterates stuff in lower difficulties but can fall off when breakpoints are less generrous

[proven stirrup]

inb4 it gets nerfed anyway

[fluid knot]

If anything needs to be done to it, a peril generation increase is due

[proven stirrup]

I have zero doubt this shit will get tapped

[gray kelp]

assails are still really good on damnation but they arent like giga god broken

[sour bison]

At least we are glass cannon now, and not just glass

[gray kelp]

yeah actually doing damage feels nice lol

[proven stirrup]

Fatshark, and really many developers for games lately, have proven to be untrustworthy when something's adoption rate is too high

[fluid knot]

I think its good that Psyker finally has a blitz that isnt instantly rendered uselss by a guardsman with a fascination for blue things

[cyan notch]

wasnt useless before

[fluid knot]

Depends on how ott your Vet gets when it comes to shooting brainbursts

Ive seen it be proper awful before

[round charm]

guardsmen shooting the blue are bad guardsmen. wasteful of ammunition. shameful

[cyan notch]

skill issue i guess

[proven stirrup]

I just don't intend to let myself get comfortable with a skill that is doomed to be nerfed. Whether or not it gets overnerfed remains to be seen but i'll not be getting used to it's current power level until it's a certainty it's where the devs want it

[fluid knot]

Fact of the matter is when something takes one headshot, but at minimum 3s to burst, you're gonna lose out to MKXII a lot

[cyan notch]

nah

[gray kelp]

this game is too easy to worry so much over meta man, jsut play what's fun

[proven stirrup]

Bold of you to assume everyone can operate at the same level of play

[fluid knot]

Give it 20% peril generation instead of 10% an it'd be fine

[gray kelp]

you will if you play enough

[proven stirrup]

That's not always true.

[cyan notch]

all you need is a millisecond glimpse of an enemy to kill specials across the map especially so with kb

[gray kelp]

for darktide and vermentide mechanics >>>>> gear/meta

[fluid knot]

Yeah nah, he's kinda right, most of DT is just getting used to the mechanics an polishing off the threat priority skills

[cyan notch]

no vet is gonna 1 shot specials with mg12 with a pixel of sightline

[proven stirrup]

This seems disingenuous

I'm gonna bow out

[fluid knot]

You dont get sightlines that long in most missions, but if you want to keep being obnoxious because you're still malding about our discussion the other day, thats fine pal

[cyan notch]

what discussion the other day who even mentioned that i think thats ur stuff buddy

[primal radish]

what does empathic evasion do? crits count as dodging ranged attacks? does that mean you dodge ranged attacks on crit?

[proven stirrup]

Pretty sure you're still being obnoxious, reasoning aside