psyker-class

[olive ember]

.-.

is it me? idk my brain is mush ima go back to studying for my midterms

I'll read it some other time when my brain isn't mush and see if I still feel the same

[full kestrel]

if you think you can be at 100% peril and switch to assail and use it

feel free

I can't do that, personally, so

[olive ember]

thats... literally what I do

I mean I can quell with staff as well

[flint pawn]

You guys let yourselves go to 100% peril?

[fluid knot]

Derpy are you telling us you explode all the time?

[olive ember]

and then swap to assail

[full kestrel]

right, when I do that, I blow up, because I can't personally go above 100% peril

[olive ember]

first game after update I blew up 6 times, now that I'm used to not being able to quell with melee and the peril not rly

[full kestrel]

xd

[fluid knot]

But nah in all seriousness, you can play a high peril Assail build, i was doing so earlier with Scriers/Assail, its fuckin dangerous

[full kestrel]

surge assail, blew up 0 times, did 700k damage, so

besides even if I wanted to try voidstrike, which I do, not because I think its better but I wanna try it, I don't have the proper blessings for it

but its a different thing youre doing

[olive ember]

damage is a bit wacky rn

i saw a reddit post and the guy had 1 mil damage

[flint pawn]

I just went Assail + Dome and then as much bulk and toughness restoration I could get

[olive ember]

no clue what he was running

[fluid knot]

Yeah Void is well over the top

[olive ember]

anyways back to studying for midterm

[fluid knot]

Probably Void if it was Psyker

[olive ember]

ttyl

[fluid knot]

o7, gl Derpy

[olive ember]

haha I need more than luck

brain is already mush

[fluid knot]

Get some sleep then mate, you'll run better on a few hours

Memory stops functioning right if you're tired

[full kestrel]

with the charge time of void, and the comparative damage, and lack of stun, I dont see it being as useful in the really hard mission personally

[orchid nest]

void staggers pretty good now, just not in a wide area of course

[fluid knot]

It has huge cleave an can kill everything non-monster in two shots, its very useful in Maelstrom

[orchid nest]

it can actually stagger a monstrosity with a full charge headshot crit and surge

[full kestrel]

so does assail, the cleave part

[fluid knot]

Yes, but Assail doesnt kill 50 dudes if they're all clumped up

[full kestrel]

you already have assail for hordes there's no need to double dip with voidstrike

it definitely does lmao

[fluid knot]

Its very good, but its not broken like Void

[whole oxide]

no, it does, someone who played to level 10 told me so

[full kestrel]

you shoot out all 10 of your assail shots the horde is completely gone

[olive ember]

midterms in an hour no sleep kek

[fluid knot]

Seriously, Void is the absolute top damage dealer we have

[olive ember]

suffering

[fluid knot]

In an hour? Shit man, yeah good luck, seriously

[full kestrel]

I'm not saying it doesn't do more damage than surge

[fluid knot]

Get off discord

[full kestrel]

im saying it's not enough damage to justify it for me

[fluid knot]

Use it an you'll see

[olive ember]

got a midterm from 3:50-5:10 then 7:40 - 8:45 and then a test due 12 AM then a test due 12 pm noon tmrw then a midterm 12:10 tmrw

I wont be sleeping until I get home tmrw

[long wharf]

today's challenge - how to make Smite do max damage

[olive ember]

I love education

I feel super smart alright

[fluid knot]

You cant kill monsters, Ogryns, or really even Maulers very well with Assail, Void does all them like nobodies business

[full kestrel]

ive tested it in psykanium but I dont have the blessings required to use it in auric mael rn

and I dont really wanna play missions under that

[autumn smelt]

is this discrete mathematics?

[full kestrel]

do you use double hit + peril crit or peril crit + charge time

[olive ember]

formal language and automata

[fluid knot]

Nexus/Surge or Nexus/Blazing depending on setup personally

[still hearth]

Double hit

[olive ember]

computation but its all mathematical proofs

[still hearth]

You should always use Surge

[sterile saddle]

I need more plasteel!

[fluid knot]

Sure is the best option for damage, but not the only one

[still hearth]

Soulblaze is stupid and should feel stupid

[autumn smelt]

that explains why its using mathematical logic notation

[fluid knot]

Flurry is good if you need to shit out more damage, but you shouldnt need too

[autumn smelt]

going through the basics of that rn and it kinda sucks major ass

[olive ember]

I've been thinking about flurry surge tbh, spam the balls to proc true aim over fishing for the 30% idk tho

[fluid knot]

You can have both True aim and the 30%, much more profit

[long wharf]

the more I play with Assail, the more I wish it was better

[still hearth]

It was what

[fluid knot]

You're not always gonna be shooting multiple heads per shot after all

[still hearth]

Are you high

[long wharf]

it's not a crowd deleter like some people claimed

[full kestrel]

soulblaze does absolutely 0 damage though

[long wharf]

it's not an Elite deleter in a single throw

[still hearth]

It deletes crowds way better than than it has any right to

[full kestrel]

isnt the tick for like 15

[still hearth]

Lmao

[still hearth]

???

[olive ember]

yeah assail needs buffs, maybe 25% of its current peril and 2x the knives

[autumn smelt]

if theres an elite in the group and you have the elite soublaze perk, yeah it is

[olive ember]

oh and let it pierce 5x the targets

[still hearth]

You have to be trolling ok

[olive ember]

then it will be balanced

[full kestrel]

lmao

[fluid knot]

Its spread damage, it doesnt have to be loads, all it has to do is soften everything else up, think of it as a passive force multiplier for doing what you'd be doing anyway

[bleak tulip]

yeah I think it should also two shot crushers

[autumn smelt]

it also needs better carapace damage

[full kestrel]

right but no one cares if a poxwalker is at 300 or 195 hp

[long wharf]

my biggest gripe with it is that the shards don't ever hit the same target twice

[olive ember]

I mean thats why you throw like 3

[autumn smelt]

with a single stack yeah
but you rarely have a single stack on an enemy

[olive ember]

that guarantees you kill anything that isn't like a mauler or ogryn

[still hearth]

It's literally free

[tall mango]

am i the only one who thinks BB kinda just sucks compared to assail

[full kestrel]

maybe they changed it but pre patch I tried it with 6 stacks and it didnt kill a poxwalker

[long wharf]

is that what people think makes it good?

[fluid knot]

It doesnt just apply to poxwalkers, not everything is gonna be dead at a moments notice, so the more times it gets to tick, the easier it is to drop any Elites or Specials effected by the burn

[long wharf]

because you just toss three or four out at a time?

[full kestrel]

no

you toss 10 out at a time

into the middle of a horde and watch it go poof

[bleak tulip]

you can I. fact just spam it and they still guide when you switch off

[full kestrel]

peril reduction on kill should keep you mostly alive and you can vent the rest

[fluid knot]

No, im sort of in your camp, its very strong, undoubtebly, but its not stupidly OP like a lot of people make out, it has weaknesses which are substantial enough to balance it

[bleak tulip]

it's basically like releasing micro missiles that only headshot

[tall mango]

which ability you talkin about dorf? assail?

[fluid knot]

Yer

[full kestrel]

they dont only headshot but they do damage as if they did

[tall mango]

I think the order of ability strength goes

Smite(bugged)>Assail>Smite>BB

[still hearth]

Weaknesses that don't mean much for it because unlike the other blitzes you can just dump it and swap

[bleak tulip]

well they mostly headshot considering I keep getting triple stacks, so they Def bias for heads

[still hearth]

Bugged Smite is still worse than Assail

[lapis bay]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-battle-attack-missile-gif-13742874

[long wharf]

I wouldn't classify bugged Smite as "strong"

[whole oxide]

they don't only headshot tho

[kindred chasm]

it doesn’t one hit gunners anymore at base=never using it again

[autumn smelt]

wait this doesnt say its unobtainable anymore

[kindred chasm]

id classify stunning an entire room for as long as you’d like pretty strong

[fluid knot]

You can with Smite too, stop casting an it pushes stuff substantially enough that you can get ontop of it an stab/shoot it to death with impunity. Now im not saying Smite is better than Assail by any means, but i am saying Assail isnt this busted OP god skill people seem to think it is

I did a melee only scab earlier an i felt like 80% of my use was gone when the Crusher an Mauler packs started flooding in

[long wharf]

I'm well aware of its tactical usage

[fluid knot]

Its very bad vs both those things, and sucks even worse vs monsters

[still hearth]

I mean I agree that it's not game breaking but it is considerably better for Psyker overall than the other two options currently

[long wharf]

as a pre-patch Surge staff lover, I find Smite underwhelming

[fluid knot]

Yeah nah, i agree with you there for sure

[kindred chasm]

it’s nearly identical except it does less damage and stuns more enemies

[fluid knot]

I can understand why Smite has low damage due to the amount of control it provides, but Brainburst needs more to hold up

[long wharf]

Smite is supposed to have two modes - charged for damage and uncharged for stun lockdowns

[still hearth]

I just want Smite to not make me AFK

That's all

[fluid knot]

I ran Smite an Surge in the last few games an its really strong in massively dense situations

[long wharf]

I want Smite in damage mode to actually do damage

[kindred chasm]

i love crabsliding everywhere while holding infinite grape lightning. not clunky or strange at all

[fluid knot]

Can properly keep everything off your team whilst they kill monsters an the like for example

Really good when paired with TH Zealot

Like REALLY good with a TH Zealot

[fluid knot]

It does need that mode touched up for sure

[untold vault]

Ur gonna get wrecked by that exam if you dont know how your decidability and computability

[long wharf]

I really like being support Psyker with Smite and bubble shield

[autumn smelt]

what would yall change on this? i feel like infested to maniac (might as well just keep that headshot damage increase there considering what im using it for) and swap shred to something else, but i dont know what

[tall mango]

although like 20 tiers above bugged smite i’d put Voidstrike

[orchid nest]

does that mode even work right now? I just figured it wasn't actually even working reading from the tooltip

[fluid knot]

I was using it with venting an applying blaze with that an with on special kill talent, it actually lets it clear a horde, not quickly, but its enough

[kindred chasm]

afaik weak spot damage is not incredible. but it might be better on a high finesse weapon + one with a finesse blessing

[autumn smelt]

which is exactly what this weapon is

[kindred chasm]

y…yes

[primal plume]

I hope they fix the bug with smite. I want to use it but it just feels like cheating

[kindred chasm]

ppl love being snippy out here

[fluid knot]

Its obviously under the wrong header, it wont be long before it gets moved to the correct blitz

[olive ember]

whats that

[untold vault]

I've used that book

Before

For cs

[kindred chasm]

my point was that you should check to see if that weak spot multiplier is doing anything because if it did anything at all this might be the weapon it’s actually good on

[untold vault]

I hope you know your reductions to prove decidability and recognizability

[hot epoch]

Shadow Wizard money gang

[olive ember]

I'm not that far in the book yet thankfully

only chapter one

I just don't remember any of the fucking proofs

[kindred chasm]

this chat is starting to sound like a 90s movie hacker

[olive ember]

I also need to get more familiar with converting NFA's to DFA's

without fucking epsilon transitions

bleh

[untold vault]

That entire course is gonna depend on the proofs

[olive ember]

yep

[untold vault]

If you need help I can explain some

[olive ember]

nah I get the concept

its just memorizing it

[untold vault]

NFA -> DFA conversion is easy

[olive ember]

like its just this but

I need to actually memorize how its written formally

[untold vault]

Ahh like that

[olive ember]

this garbage lol

[orchid nest]

[untold vault]

Remember the 5-set or whatever it's called

N = {Q, sigma, Ddelta , qs , F}

[olive ember]

yea

Q is states sigma is alphabet

delta for transition functions

qs is start state and F is final state?

or something along those lines

[untold vault]

This will be a recurring thing with NFA's, DFA's, CFG's, TM's, etc

Yes

qs is a single starting state

F is the set of Final states

[kindred chasm]

part of me wishes you’d take this to ogryn chat just for the bystander reactions

[rotund flower]

Which aura is everyone taking for magic missle build?>

[olive ember]

myeh anyways back to memorizing everything

[olive ember]

CDR or flat elite damage idk which one I prefer more tho tbh

[kindred chasm]

cdr

[untold vault]

I use crit cuz Im a rending abuser

CDR is imo the most useful overall though

[spice veldt]

i go for the crit one so that i can take malefic something and avoid mind in motion

[rotund flower]

So Assail can crit and you can build a crit build around it to stack + warp damage? Sounds pretty dope TBH

[toxic crown]

so, can someone explain the staves to me?

[still hearth]

It's so sad you can't have CDR on kill with assail

[orchid nest]

my problem with the elite damage one is not getting the dodge node then

[olive ember]

how good is the dodge node actually

[toxic crown]

been using the Voidstrike, just unlocked Purgatus. basically trying to determine what does what before I go ahead a buy another one

[olive ember]

I used to have it but I sacrificed it for AB

on my force push

[orchid nest]

pretty good when you are mowing down gunners with it, just makes it safer

[untold vault]

Trauma is funny circle on the ground aoe, it's good for everything
Voidstrike is shooting fireballs except it's a blue and it cleaves and does a lot of dmg
Purgatus is a flame thrower
Surge is playing the dark side from star wars, does dmg to 2 targes and chains around stunning them a bit.

[olive ember]

myeh what am I doing I should be studying

lahsdlasuidh

closing discord

[untold vault]

Cya

Hope you do well on that exam

Is a tough course

Since most cs students dont really work with a lot of proving

[orchid nest]

I have the crit aura now though because I started using a chainsword and wanted the other dodge node too

[rotund flower]

So CDR aura into Shield or Scriers?

[untold vault]

Depends on what you want

[long wharf]

I really wouldn't bother with Malefic one

[untold vault]

Shield brings a lot of utility

[long wharf]

Scrier's to maximize damage in bursts

[untold vault]

I think scrier is that dps one? I forgot the name

[tall mango]

it was almost perfect

[long wharf]

Shield for team protection utility

[royal falcon]

epsilon forgot to mention that the surge staff can stagger the bigger boys such as ogryns and mutants, including charging ones

[orchid nest]

malefic is definitely optional but it's pretty good for mixing in assails inbetween melee swings as a very active horde clear playstyle

[royal falcon]

unless they nerfed that

[rotund flower]

Scriers into Empowered Psyonics (bottom middle) seems like it would be so strong.

[runic hornet]

i feel like the marking mechanic for uh

the right side purple

is broken

it says "every second" but like I only ever see 1 or 2 marked enemies?

[toxic crown]

so basically being UNLIMITED POWER?

[long wharf]

because enemies have a chance every second

[runic hornet]

oh lol

[tall mango]

I think I just rolled good

[royal falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[royal falcon]

now upgrade it

[viscid matrix]

pretty good, now get one with 80 for damage, finesse and first target 😄

[tall mango]

It was so close

if the first target was higher i would have been so happy

[long wharf]

sadly, FIrst Target isn't a dump stat

for Illisi, I'd choose for Mobility to be the lowest

[runic hornet]

So the marked enemies. Do I need to kill them personally, or can they die to anything?

if it's the former then this ability sucks lol

[gusty furnace]

warp resistance

[runic hornet]

if it's the latter it's okay

[gusty furnace]

You actively want to be at high warp

[tall mango]

hey look thats me

[gusty furnace]

assuming you're using the peril stuff

So warp resistance being low is good

[runic hornet]

yeah if you're hitting your charge sword button on the illisis

you are TRYING to get to 100

[tall mango]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[gusty furnace]

no

this is literally perfect

THat is a literally perfect illisi

[tall mango]

Wait is it?

[runic hornet]

i mean perfect would be like 10% warp res

[upper galleon]

literally perfect wdym

[gusty furnace]

Yes

Warp Resistance is the dump stat on illisi

[viscid matrix]

just go down to 75 between each charge hit, and you will be able to go to 100 on every charge attack

[runic hornet]

but yeah that's as good as it'll get probs

[upper galleon]

you are shor tlike 7%

[dawn wolf]

Ya

[tall mango]

My eye was tweakin i thought the damage was way lower

[runic hornet]

usually you are limited by time, not peril

like the act of charging your sword, the animation time, is hte limiting factor in a horde, because ou are busy not dying by attacking pushing on multiple sides

[raw token]

i just got this

am hyped

[runic hornet]

ideally you would push teh charge sword button and instantly shoot to 100 perils from 0

[tall mango]

now, what blessings would yall reccomend?

[royal falcon]

what's wrong with warp resist

[upper galleon]

crit hit damage is bad but everything else is great (crit hit damage scales poorly

[runic hornet]

slaughterer then usually unstable power

[upper galleon]

unstable slaughterer, or deflection slaughter

[gusty furnace]

my current psyker build

[light kite]

Alright, dumb question, but Smite says that you can do high damage to "an enemy" after charging, but I can't get it to do anything more than just. Zap a big group. Is it just broken, or another example of descriptions not lining up?

[gusty furnace]

unfortunately I cannot run prescience at the same time

[runic hornet]

deflect slaughterer is okay as a tech option thoug

[gusty furnace]

feelsfuckinbadman

[tall mango]

the left click is broken

[upper galleon]

no it's low damage high impact

[gusty furnace]

You were saying Balista

[tall mango]

does NOT do high damage

[raw token]

yeah unfortunately the other one was a tier 2 so had to change it but still it fits the theme of the weapon lmao

[gusty furnace]

i luv me deflector

sucha good blessing

[orchid nest]

yeah it has to be, really interested to see how much more versatile it becomes with a fix

[runic hornet]

unstable+slaughterer gives you some amazingwildfires though

[light kite]

Description says you can charge it for high damage high impact to an enemy

[tall mango]

how the fuck do yall have so much plasteel

[runic hornet]

playing a ton lol

[gusty furnace]

I had 30k before the patch

[light kite]

As in doesn't work as intended? If so, makes sense

[gusty furnace]

Now I only have 5k

[upper galleon]

no high damage high impact for quick release

[gusty furnace]

from hunting for rampage on eviscerator

and chainsword

[upper galleon]

charging is low damage high impact that spreads

[light kite]

Can't get that to actually trigger. Unfortunate

[gusty furnace]

But mostly its just a lot of hours

[upper galleon]

you just

[tall mango]

it is not high damage

[gusty furnace]

and only on damnation

[tall mango]

lmfao

[gusty furnace]

for 850 plasteel a mission

[tall mango]

its the exact same as right click

[upper galleon]

left click and it's probably not that high of damage

lol

fatshark moment

[tall mango]

I extensively tested it

its the EXACT same

[upper galleon]

well anyways

i'm right on the description

so that is what matters

[tall mango]

the description LIIIIES

It does not fit with my dream

[upper galleon]

shards are so nice

just need warp nexus on void staffs

already have surge

[snow scaffold]

Surge is awesome

[raw token]

warp nexus or warp flurry better?

[upper galleon]

i'm assumign warp nexus for the double shot

now that void packs a punch

[snow scaffold]

The warp shield is so clutch as well but I'm still not going to run it lol

[raw token]

imma enjoy void + needles while it lasts no way this makes it past the first week

[gusty furnace]

You mean like this

[viscid matrix]

have yall tried gunker with one of these?

[gusty furnace]

autoguns are really ass

And even moreso after the patch

All of the enemies got a ~25% HP buff or more

and autoguns weren't touched at all

[snow scaffold]

Staff are too fun to switch to guns at the moment

[vestal stirrup]

So uh, are we in agreement that the magic missiles are OP?

[gusty furnace]

500 HP dreg stalkers, 76 damage

[tall mango]

Not OP

[vestal stirrup]

Not OP?

[upper galleon]

yea idk how i'm dodging warp nexus

[tall mango]

They are solid, but not broken

[upper galleon]

ii have it on every other staff

[tall mango]

they cant do shit vs ogryns or armor

[upper galleon]

ehh, magic missile is just good clear, i find it unpredictable and I expect a slight nerf

cause rn they out clear purge

[naive imp]

PSA
Assail is nutty. If you’re new to psyker like I was and reading this…get assail and use it liberally. I’m not even using weapons.

[orchid nest]

vraks is pretty good. our best damage against monstrosities. I just prefer feeling like a space wizard to the max though

[spice veldt]

only reason i'm not taking vraks is cuz bulwarks are wrecking my day and I'm running assail

[upper galleon]

void assail or surge assail

is probably the meta magic missile

purge i really like brainburst with

[orchid nest]

you could chainsword them it's pretty nutty now. although chainsword is something I'd usually use for solving monstrosity damage so kind of doubling up there

[upper galleon]

i onyl use force swords

[agile geode]

is it possible to make a decent soulblaze themed build with the new skill tree ? (which specific weapons? and why)
i have not played in a very long time and main class is zealot 😅

[upper galleon]

trauma and probably void could do it

[viscid matrix]

Void staff with soulblaze blessings, or purge staff

[upper galleon]

void is better off running surge

and trauma really gonna like new rending shockwave

yee purge is like, the defacto soulblaze thing

[orchid nest]

yeah trauma is actually really really good right now with the rending changes and the buffs it also got

[raw token]

yo how you name this custom?

[gaunt stone]

So Assail with trauma staff?

[orchid nest]

there is a mod for it

[raw token]

what changed with it?

[pearl heron]

the warp battery penance is much harder now that they only appear on special or elite kill. Anyone have tips on how to do this now? seems like private game is the only way possible

[gaunt stone]

rending shockwave gives brittle though not rend

[orchid nest]

isn't brittle just rend but for everyone? seems to work the same when I used it

[autumn smelt]

LETS GOOO
just swap ranged weak spot to flak or maniac and sustained fire for nexus and we're BALLING

[spice veldt]

brittleness is a debuff that gives rending to all incoming attacks onto a target

[gaunt stone]

I just read the article

😄

yee they are the same

So Brittleness is rending after application

Regular rend is only for self

[orchid nest]

yeah it's like team support because everyone will benefit from it

[gaunt stone]

ye

I guess I will give this a shot.

[orchid nest]

even with how busted void is right now trauma is still the king of thriving in a chaotic situation that already went downhill

[lilac raft]

psyker Blitz feel better than our Staff :c

[slow raven]

try flurry instead of nexus, and use true aim for the guaranteed crit

[left basin]

is it me or brain burst fucking sucks

[slow raven]

it procs so often you might as well not bother investing in crit chance

[smoky badge]

Even upgraded in the tree?

[nocturne stream]

brain burst has always been a shit skill

[left basin]

kinda

[orchid nest]

this is definitely more of a legit strategy than people have been giving credit right now yeah. with how much easier flurry is to keep up now

[smoky badge]

Brain burst imo has always been something you use with whatever quickening used to be as a “this particular thing needs to die now, others aren’t engaging it yet”

[half turtle]

bb feels good with trauma since it kinda feels like the only thing trauma can't do well is snipe distant mans

[smoky badge]

But now that other combat abilities are shining, it’s in a rough spot

[upper galleon]

it's great with purge

[left basin]

i feel like i am doing way less

in damage

[smoky badge]

Default it does way less

[slow raven]

i like the new flurry a lot, even though technically it's a nerf to the max output, i rarely ever got to take advantage of 5 stacks and 50% charge time since warp unleashed was just too good

[orchid nest]

yeah me too

[autumn smelt]

brain burst is a high damage single target ability that requires 0 ammo and only a fraction of a second of your attention to pull off
its paired best with a build that has great horde cleard (like people saying its good with trauma and purg) to cover up the weakness of that build

[left basin]

i am talking the upgraded "brain burst deluxe +50000% damage -10000%time to cast"

[cedar light]

Anyone got a good psyker assail build

[half turtle]

fwiw i feel like in my maelstrom runs so far (i've only done like 2 since the patch lol) i spend 99% of my time endlessly spamming trauma and 1% of the time picking off gunners/bombers/snipers with bb

[left basin]

yet again i've done it way smoother and better on 6 stacks with warp unleashed

[indigo thunder]

So basically pre-overhaul kek

[orchid nest]

having flurry also makes it way way easier to get off a full charged one into a monstrosities head while you are kiting it and you can just do the charged spams to get it going and proc true aim for a full stagger on the head crit

[half turtle]

i'm also running soulblaze with trauma rn lol

idk if it works that great but it looks cool

[slow raven]

bb is pretty good for boss damage, it's not the highest dps but it's reliable, easy to pull off, and will eventually get the job done no matter how much bullshit is around you, or how far away you are from the boss. when youre in a team of 4 psykers all with assail that's when you realize you actually miss bb

[half turtle]

i haven't reinstalled hp bars mod and i'm too lazy to check in meat grinder

and idk where else to put the points anyways

[orchid nest]

soulblaze trauma is also way easier to get going thanks to true aim because you can just proc it with your melee and then guarantee put out the soulblaze

[half turtle]

yeah it's pretty neat, i can keep soulblaze going in hordes forever

[autumn smelt]

if you run a crit focused trauma build with the blessing that gives soulblaze on crit, its like a purgatus but it fucking explodes instead

[half turtle]

i should look for that blessing

i have exactly one trauma staff and i hvaen't really played since like january

[autumn smelt]

i ran soulblaze trauma last patch and it was both fun and good

[half turtle]

i think it has rending/flurry

trauma feels busted strong compared to 8 months ago though lol

[autumn smelt]

i clutched a game with a beast of nurgle and a horde when i was the last dude at the same time bc i just spammed trauma for as many wildfire procs to wipe out the horde while i kited the beast and was BBing it

[half turtle]

i can literally solo ogryn packs+horde+specials with it

it like one-shots a bunch of stuff now

[white oar]

what's the take on brain burst vs the new homing projectiles

[orchid nest]

with the rending change and with how true aim works I would actually run rending shockwave and blazing spirit instead of having nexus because rending is really strong and it's just simpler to guarantee the crit with true aim

[white oar]

Are the homing projectiles just better

[upper galleon]

the swap bug is getting really annoying

homing projectiles have worse at distance pick off

[autumn smelt]

they are really good for (almost) every situation

[upper galleon]

cause they have travel time and are unreliable but they can still do it

and they don't hit armor well either

[autumn smelt]

they are useless when a boss or any carapace/bulwarks show up

[smoky badge]

Does BB crit currently?

[acoustic spade]

So what I quickly read from above convo: This staff is good now?

[half turtle]

i should try them, i literally haven't run anything other than "old psyker" yet in the new patch

[white oar]

Tbf it takes like 3 brain bursts to kill a crusher on heresy

[shy fiber]

TFW you can’t play with any new bells and whistles because you have penances to finish

[white oar]

So that's not too great either lol

[shy fiber]

I’m suffering siblings

It’s so over

(At least brain burst feels fucking great to use omg)

[upper galleon]

ok so using assail

when I peril and use venting to save myself

it swaps to my staff or sword

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, its just the comfiest, most reliable one

Venting shriek to never blow up

wildfire for funny blue room memes

trauma staff for everything from clutches to just regular gameplay

[upper galleon]

is anyone else having this bug?

[shy fiber]

Purgatus is still so fucking good 😭

[gusty furnace]

deimos for stabbing mutants in the face

[half turtle]

man i tried taking the shield ability and i kept blowing up because i forgot it didn't vent

i did this 3 times in one map

[white oar]

Also did they make voidstrike better

[upper galleon]

all staffs are good rn

[white oar]

It seems actually insane

[upper galleon]

too good actually

[spice veldt]

i blew up 7 times in one game

[upper galleon]

pretty sure it's unintentional

[gusty furnace]

I played something like 70 missions back-to-back to get the "Dispel perils of the warp 50 times with your ult" penance

[meager stag]

anyone have a good assaial build?

[whole oxide]

if you've not tried new DS IV with all the movement speed buffs, you've not lived

[gusty furnace]

I literally can't play without venting shriek

[acoustic spade]

Surge feels worse now than pre-update

[gusty furnace]

Because fatshark made that stupid penance

and all I did was grind it

its just muscle memory now

[white oar]

I dont even swap to brain burst for specials anymore

[upper galleon]

bio lightning is the cc option

[white oar]

I just shoot voidstrike at them

[upper galleon]

surge is anti armor 2 targets

surge has great damage now thankfull

[untold vault]

Mostly revolver gameplay with a little bit of assail mixed in when I was low on ammo. Honestly it's very fun and very viable. Dont do this on no ammo modifiers with no vet though. Also helps that the other 2 psykers were purgatus and void strike so no ammo competition.

[acoustic spade]

didnt they nerf Surge damage against armored targets?

[shy fiber]

It deals a lot more

[pearl heron]

warp battery penance seems very hard now that it only procs with special and elite kills

[untold vault]

Surge deals a lot more dmg nowadays

[shy fiber]

Purgatus goes brrrrr

[long wharf]

Surge needs to do full damage to all targets it hits

[gusty furnace]

basically impossible, essentially

[untold vault]

That would be op

[snow scaffold]

I don't think so, I was just playing it and you can kill a Crusher in 2 full charges

[pearl heron]

5 minutes straight of elites or specials

[gusty furnace]

one of those things that makes you go "But why change that"

[long wharf]

nah, it's only hitting up to 3 targets

[shy fiber]

Just use the perk that gives warp charge on soulblaze kills

[acoustic spade]

What and what are the numerical differences between Smite LMB/RMB-charge up?

[long wharf]

as it is right now, Surge staff is pointless

[pearl heron]

I know I wish i got it before the change

[gusty furnace]

I have every class penance

[white oar]

wait wtf

[gusty furnace]

both new and redacted

I feel bad for new players

and returning ones

[pearl heron]

no clue how to do it now, even in a private game

[smoky badge]

Disagree heavily

[white oar]

So how do you do it now lol

[upper galleon]

no surge damage is buffed

[viscid matrix]

nah its very good at killling carapace and flak armoured enemies

[upper galleon]

it's just 2 targets now

[long wharf]

not as good as Void now

[acoustic spade]

I just saw these in the patchnotes

[viscid matrix]

true

[long wharf]

Void is damage king now

[viscid matrix]

but void is excesivly good at what it does

[white oar]

Do you just spam purgatus + use the talent that gives you 10% brainburst on damage

And hope

[viscid matrix]

yes but the damage is much much higher than before

[untold vault]

Yes

DoTs are still imo weaker than they should be.

[snow scaffold]

Surge staff is one of the fastest weapons to elites, sometimes you can't aim that fast with void if you're overwhelmed

[white oar]

Shock troop gauntlet seems great for it too

A lot of stuff to brainburst

[untold vault]

Surge has the problem of misfiring if there are pox walkers in front

Only downside imo

Otherwise great weapon

[wooden tulip]

Quick question, is Smite or Assail better for general use?

[acoustic spade]

ok, so which Surge staff should I be using then

[untold vault]

It still does stagger

[untold vault]

Assail/10

Smite will get nerfed

But so will assail

But smite generates way too much peril on use normally

[shy fiber]

Where 2h force sword

[untold vault]

For it to be viable imo

[snow scaffold]

Honestly on the higher difficulties you aren't going to be running that much being it's usually constant enemies

[orchid nest]

I'm not even sure if it's fair to say smite will be nerfed but be completely different between the high damage part of it not even working and the empowered node for it will probably be reworked completely too

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, you REALLY don't spend a whole lot of time sprinting on damnation+

More. . . constantly dodging

permanently at -7/3

for dodge count

[untold vault]

Take a force sword

[viscid matrix]

go for the higher damage, crit and charge rate, then choose wether you want queel speed or warp resist more

[untold vault]

And this

Helps a lot imo

But then you need to spec into crit aura

[wooden tulip]

Fair enough, Smite sounds really good on paper, but I haven't really played much yet. Anything in particular I should be doing? I've been using BB mostly as a way to pop snipers and the like since my friends don't really use long-ranged weapons

[untold vault]

Smite is busted currently because of Empowered Psionics

Once that gets fixed it's really not good

[viscid matrix]

i have played with a smite only psyker, they were stunlocking everything constantly

[deft gorge]

so many psykers just standing around smiting like JUST stunlocking all match is useful lol...

[untold vault]

They'll need to rework smite interactions.

[snow scaffold]

Smite is one of the best cc for non elites but it makes chaos too easy sometimes

[ornate hamlet]

How does the infinite smite work? You just spec into empowered psionics someone said?

[untold vault]

The weirdest part is that nowhere does it say that it reduces peril cost by 100% but it does so anyway

[untold vault]

Empowered Psionics + Overpowering Souls + Charged up

[snow scaffold]

You just aim and hold it till most of the enemies die, the peril never goes up if you have empowered psionics triggered

[kindred chasm]

yeah, presumed unintended and will be patched out

[untold vault]

Kill elite

Do the long charge smite

Hold it forever

[kindred chasm]

that 30% needs to be like 300% damage if and when they patch out the infinite smite

[frail glacier]

What does the ult even do xD

[viscid matrix]

it probably was supposed to, like the other 2 skills get it, why does smite not get it

[untold vault]

Because it means infinite smite

At 0 cost

[hollow current]

I haven't seen if any has noticed but apparently sustained fire makes the first 3 left clicks from staves do more damage. While the description says the third and fourth attack.

[untold vault]

Imagine old surge

But infinite

[viscid matrix]

is assail any different 😄 with empowered you can assail almost forever 😄

[untold vault]

No peril generation

[kindred chasm]

if you use infinite smite it immediately becomes apparent that it’s patently absurd

[ornate hamlet]

Also doing solo Auric Maelstrom is kind of tough.. Everyone keeps dying and then there's not much I can do by myself. Is there something I can do as a psyker to keep them alive?

[hollow current]

Still not a reason to take it.

[untold vault]

And like 20 seconds to kill something

[untold vault]

Assail will get nerfed too 100%

[untold vault]

Stick to them and use the wall

However sometimes the team just isnt good enough

[snow scaffold]

Have them watch streams of players that actually know how to play lol

[kindred chasm]

you could literally hold smite for an entire match if you didn’t get hit or otherwise interrupted if you wanted to

there’s no way that’s intentional

[untold vault]

Smite does 0 dmg to monstrocities though so there is that

[warped perch]

what curios for psyker i havent played in like 8 months

[ornate hamlet]

I stick to them as much as I can man but I just can't keep them alive. I stopped using wall and instead use bubble cause wall breaks instantly and start getting shot again.

[untold vault]

You can also lfg in here

[kindred chasm]

as an on record smite enjoyer, it does 0 damage anyway lol

[untold vault]

Pug's are a cointoss

[frail glacier]

What is the base ult as I have a glitch xD

[untold vault]

Yeah but at least it stuns and eventually explode them

[kindred chasm]

purple lightning gives brain chemicals tho

[untold vault]

The boss just walks around ignoring your purple lasers

[ornate hamlet]

Surge staff has been keeping them alive for the most part. Or should I take that off and go back to my handy dandy voidstrike?

[kindred chasm]

voidstrike is insane rn

[snow scaffold]

True this game could use some more bright colors lol

[raw token]

i usually just completely shut down elites and specials and most of the time the team is able to take out monstrosities and trash

[kindred chasm]

surge does an acceptable amount of damage and is brain dead easy to use

[deft gorge]

^

[snow scaffold]

No more of them will die if you use void

[untold vault]

What are they dying to?

[ornate hamlet]

What's broken about the voidstrike currently?

[raw token]

everything

[runic hornet]

it simply does everything way too well

it is a nuclear bomb

[untold vault]

I've seen a lot of players go into auric maelstrom who dont know how to melee well.

[left basin]

voidstrike IS sexual yes

[acoustic spade]

thats not how WH40K works, supposed to be grim and dark

[ornate hamlet]

is this good enough?

[untold vault]

So they die to every single horde with boosted poxwalkers and some added elites

[viscid matrix]

unlimited cleave, 2 shots carapace enemies and 1 shots everything else

[runic hornet]

cleaves too much, single target too good, fast casts

[left basin]

horrid

[runic hornet]

yeah specifically it just obliterates armor

[kindred chasm]

i don’t think they mean in both tone and pallete lol

[snow scaffold]

You can one shot Crushers with the right build or 2 shot them, the void blast goes through bulwark's shield as well

[left basin]

i like it a lllllot

[raw token]

you want surge in it for it to be nuclear

[true lake]

any recommendations for build that uses brain burst/rupture?

[left basin]

but uhhh

brain burst still seems absolutely dogshit, no matter how i approach it

[runic hornet]

so like, old voidstrike felt like VT fireball staff using bolt staff trajectory

now it feels like bolt staff if bolt staff also just had fireball AOE for no particularly good reason

[left basin]

mhm

[viscid matrix]

get the guarenteed crit every 5 weakspots, then take the 3 stacks of soulburn as well as surge 😄

[kindred chasm]

BB seems like it’s strictly worse after the enemy health pool adjustments

[runic hornet]

it's still the best way to safely snag single-pixel specials and the like

[true lake]

i know its not the meta but i need to do heresy penances that require brain burst

[upper galleon]

bruh moment

[true lake]

so trying to figure out a build that would make it good

[upper galleon]

told sibling to not spam surge into horde it only hits 2 targets

[raw token]

i have the guarunteed crit but i dont understand what makes soul blaze good

[runic hornet]

or act as anti-sniper for when you take purgatus

[upper galleon]

dude went "i've been playing this game for a while thanks" and continued to do it

[kindred chasm]

also does surge on voidstrike work on the right click? i remember hearing that blessing was regarding the left click only

[left basin]

and using it instead of ass sail and palpatinehands

[upper galleon]

only on trauma

[cinder moon]

tbf, when the team isn't clearing the horde fast enough, i'm going to surge spam to kill literally everything

[runic hornet]

chad patchnotes ignorer

[raw token]

no its right click

[upper galleon]

"Literally kill everything"

[untold vault]

I guess Kinetic flayer could be fun on purgatus. But pure BB still feels bad.

[upper galleon]

yea, like you

[steady forge]

so is it know the empowered psionics stacks make smite free and endless unless you end it yourself?

[upper galleon]

sword is faster, bio lightning is prob faster

[runic hornet]

yeah? if you take a loadout like assail+purgatus you die for free to a long distance sniper

[viscid matrix]

yes

[steady forge]

that a bug?

[runic hornet]

like i use it unironically on my purgatus build

[acoustic spade]

doesnt look like it in the Psykhanium, It only Jumps twice, but can jump to more than one enemy from the initial one

[runic hornet]

you need the option unless you 100% trust your team, i don't

[cinder moon]

sword doesn't stunlock and bio lightning won't kill those 6 crushers fast enough

[upper galleon]

that's not a horde

[echo turtle]

How is brain burst with empowered psionics?

[kindred chasm]

does assail right click not lock on that far?

[upper galleon]

dude got mauled

by poxwalkers

[untold vault]

Surge only stuns like 2 enemies now

[upper galleon]

cause he was spamming surge staff

[raw token]

regardless its terrible for hordes

[runic hornet]

nope, after a short distance like grenae throw the knife just fucks off even if you stare right at the target in the istance

[upper galleon]

i'm pretty sure he had shards too so idk

[untold vault]

It's terrible for hordes even before patch as the limit was 6

[upper galleon]

what he was doing

[kindred chasm]

rip

[smoky badge]

If you spec into elite kills refill empower, you can non-stop no peril kill elites pretty quick

[echo turtle]

It always was trash into hordes

[cinder moon]

mixed hordes it works fine, plus with quietude/soulstealer whatever, you literally always have toughness

[raw token]

yeah

[runic hornet]

the assail fulfills the same range niche as autopistol

[echo turtle]

Oh snap, that sounds fun

[runic hornet]

and just like autopistol

having BB in your back pocket is clutch

[kindred chasm]

people have been tryin to wishful thinking the surge staff into horde clear viability for months

[viscid matrix]

its way better at killing enemies now, it shreds armoured targets

[upper galleon]

like i'm just begging

[echo turtle]

I always ran Kinetic barrage in the beta

1.0 is a whole new ballgame

[upper galleon]

for people to not be egotistical

and listen to advice

[runic hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-dude-no-oh-bugs-bunny-bugs-gif-22941840

[snow scaffold]

How was his overall skills though

[cinder moon]

people gotta learn somehow

[upper galleon]

dude wouldn't surge crushers I was doing that

[upper galleon]

dies to poxwalkers with surge staff out how do you think

[cinder moon]

i have a friend who literally won't listen to anything i tell him until it bites him in the ass

then he's like "wow, that's crazy"

[kindred chasm]

me when the zealot flamers crushers and doesn’t even try to use the chastise tech to make it semi viable

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[raw token]

i really dont like the new surge now, kinda high damage but it doesnt even stun reliably, sometimes it takes two right click

[upper galleon]

i like it

[untold vault]

I feel like every ranged weapon sucks on zealot now except for the revolver and maybe the bolter

[upper galleon]

i hate utility/cc/support weapons

[left crater]

Which staff is best for boss killing?

[cinder moon]

full charge for stuns, plus with warp flurry you charge almost instantly

[smoky badge]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1x5EfV87stf6u7/d1337btkQ1Bc?invite=cr-MSxock0sMTc2NzQzNTQwLA

Using shriek for the extra damage and speed

[upper galleon]

bolter sucks sucks don't go it

[echo turtle]

What's good in the ult slot now? Same old nova, ot the shield or what?

[upper galleon]

brauto is fine, shredder is fine

[kindred chasm]

same, i appreciate the brain dead easy burst damage that also stuns

[untold vault]

Voidstrike

[viscid matrix]

its amazing at what it does best, and if you have high crit it 1 shots most enemies

[upper galleon]

i'm going the venting shriek

[kindred chasm]

new surge paired with smite covers it’s own bases very well

[left crater]

[kindred chasm]

if you’re good at peril management dome rocks in my experience

[snow scaffold]

It depends on the situation, sometimes poxwalker doesn't have any sounds when they pop out of a door or it could be chaos with teammates panicking or died

[acoustic spade]

I like shotguns

[echo turtle]

That's the original ability right?

[left basin]

yeh

[upper galleon]

it's a fuckin normal horde

[acoustic spade]

You can even shoot at Snipers with shotguns

[echo turtle]

Yeah new Brain burst looks slick

[untold vault]

The slug?

[raw token]

yeah i played full crit build with a god rolled surge staff yesterday and beginning of today, still just doesnt compare to void damage even if void gets nerfed i feel it will still be better for crit builds

[kindred chasm]

3 burst vraks is good

[upper galleon]

what depends is a good strat to walk into horde with surge staff

[kindred chasm]

agri brauto is good

[viscid matrix]

nothing compares to void

[kindred chasm]

agri iag is usable

[acoustic spade]

No, the one that has the Inferno slug as alt fire

[echo turtle]

Can psykers take brautos now?

[kindred chasm]

they were talking about zealot ranged weapons so

[broken carbon]

kantreal

[echo turtle]

3 burst vraks was our best run and gun weapon before they made shredder OP

Just rock steady recoil when you rolled well if moving

[untold vault]

I heard that the shredder got nerfed

[cinder moon]

shotgun ammo efficiency on zealot is garbage

[echo turtle]

It did, but it still looks stronk

[kindred chasm]

pinning fire nerf did a doozy on the shredder

[untold vault]

I only had bolter + flamer on zealot pre patch

[upper galleon]

shredder got nerfed but it's still usuable

[chilly moon]

I wish Smite did perhaps a bit more damage

[snow scaffold]

Hmm what's his char level

[upper galleon]

powderburn, blaze away it's fine

[chilly moon]

Its a bit lacking in that, but okay for Crowd Control

[upper galleon]

30 it's auric damn

bolter is what sucks

[acoustic spade]

True, but especially on Zealot its not your main tool anyways

[kindred chasm]

yeah bolter post patch is lagging

[raw token]

why does bolter suck? plasma gun better?

[untold vault]

Plasma gun got nerfed passively too with ammo regen nerf

[kindred chasm]

enemy health pool tuning plus the pinning fire nerf

[echo turtle]

Is slaughterer still BiS for force swords,?

[untold vault]

As well as ult

You used to be able to sit in ult all day shooting shooters

[viscid matrix]

bolter got shafted, Columnus mk V can take out Crushers faster on veterans than bolter can

[untold vault]

Now nothing extends your ult anymore

[proud hinge]

hello are there any online guides

[kindred chasm]

doesn’t it have a node that extends the out on highlighted enemies kills

[ionic island]

anyone willing to help a sibling out with the Pick N' Mix penance (I really just need a group that's okay with letting me get the kills i need for it tbh)

[broken carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[untold vault]

Wait what extends your ult

[broken carbon]

its one of the modifiers for the executioners stance

[viscid matrix]

do you not read your talent tree?

[untold vault]

I thought that that one only reduced the cooldown

Of your ult

[snow scaffold]

You should get the real level mod so you can gauge how good the random could be

[untold vault]

Oh nvm it does extend it

[chilly moon]

I mean Level doesn't always equate skill

[cinder moon]

doesn't guarantee anything. the only other player i've ever seen with an indefatigable portrait border was garbage and kept going down

[chilly moon]

I've seen ppl at like +120 suck ass

[kindred chasm]

also they were just griping about the person being dumb and using the surge staff into hordes

[chilly moon]

And people at +1 far out perform them

[indigo thunder]

Best keystone for the shards?

[kindred chasm]

not sure why you’re recommending them to check their levels or whatever

[raw token]

tbh i dont think the real level means anything in this game, no idea why it jsut seems completely random, probably cos of experienced vt2 players

[viscid matrix]

empowered

[broken carbon]

i regularly outplay like 200+ at 50-100, its not really a metric of skill

its neat to know though

[snow scaffold]

True it doesn't but it's information that can help you quickly decide who to stick with when people get separated or who's better to save first

[untold vault]

Level doesnt mean anything because you can have multiple characters

[kindred chasm]

that is a huge aspect of why that’s not a consistent metric for skill

[cinder moon]

how to experience confirmation bias

[chilly moon]

Ill save whoever, im a kindred soul - Just like the Emperor wants.

[spice veldt]

I've seen lvl 1ks surge into hordes

[untold vault]

A better way to gauge your team is how they go through the first mixed horde

[snow scaffold]

Some information is better than no information it's how you interpret that matters

[raw token]

average surge enjoyer

[cinder moon]

if i see a teammate doing good, idc what their level is; i've watched literal level 15s carry people who should be soloing damn auric

[upper galleon]

i did have it, haven't renabled mod

[kindred chasm]

and/or the first obj of a map imo

[upper galleon]

also yea, I've seen the shittiest teammates at 1k+ levels

they just play nonstop 18 hours a day and never learn

[kindred chasm]

the desert map obj with the three batteries in the arena is the great equalizer

[echo turtle]

What's the deal with dueling swords? They got a huge buff or what?

[stable dagger]

This is good for 0/2 modifications, right?

Just replace sustained fire

[raw token]

actual rain destruction

brain*

[untold vault]

Btw is it not possible to quickplay into maelstrom or do you have to select it specifically? I've never been able to be quickplayed inito maelstrom.

[viscid matrix]

swap sustained fire for the soulburn mod

[cinder moon]

dueling IV smashes maniacs now

[acoustic spade]

Whats the actual difference between Illisi and Obscurus FS?

[echo turtle]

Sick

[upper galleon]

you have to select it

[untold vault]

I just want those 10% bonusses

[snow scaffold]

This is really good actually

[kindred chasm]

can’t qp into it

[untold vault]

Rip

[echo turtle]

What blessings you reckon I should be looking for?

[upper galleon]

nah don't go soulblaze on current void

go surge+nexus

[stable dagger]

What's the best way to fish for blessings? upgrading greys to blue, or going all the way to orange?

[upper galleon]

surge is just better rn

[viscid matrix]

Illisi is like powersword with wide swings, obscurus is single target

[cinder moon]

uncanny and whatever else you like. rampage and shred are both fine

[viscid matrix]

greys to blues, but that might be confirmation bias 😄

[untold vault]

Blue and toss imo. Also camping Melk.

[raw token]

i could be totally wrong but i think the orange upgrade has the highest chance for t4s

[echo turtle]

I have anecdotally found starting with high level whites and upgrading all the way to be the best for getting lvl ,4s

[acoustic spade]

Oh, might have to look at getting one then, Cleaving FS sounds extremely fun

[raw token]

i agree

[snow scaffold]

You have to select, the mod that lets you select either damnation or heresy auric as the first loading menu helps

[cinder moon]

afaik t4s have highest chance to roll on any item with base rating over 360

[teal needle]

Soulblaze is baby damage on voidstrike compared to just shooting more

[kindred chasm]

grays to blues for 3’s, melks and oranges for 4s

[echo turtle]

Dope I think I have uncanny and shred already unlocked

[stable dagger]

time to farm more mats, thanks 😄

[raw token]

yes that also sounds right

[viscid matrix]

get the soulblaze nodes and that fire spreads everywhere 😄 very useful to stagger a bunch of enemies

[echo turtle]

Is there a large difference between the different marks of sword?

[autumn smelt]

attack patterns

[kindred chasm]

depends on the sword

[echo turtle]

Does slaughterer and other + power perks still enhance the fire damage?

[viscid matrix]

usualy has different mods or attack patterns, inspect the weapon and see attack breakdowns, and mouse over the modifiers

[raw token]

mk2 is worst imo, because mk4 is big boy heavy attacks and mk5 is insane movement

[viscid matrix]

not sure tbh, would have to check

[echo turtle]

Do you have a fave?

[tall mango]

so i got a question since i never really got into ripping blessings and what not, if I rip a blessing from a Deimos blaze force sword, would I be able to apply it to my illisi since they’re both blaze force swords?

[cinder moon]

i use dueling IV with soulblaze for hordeclear on my gunker, still has insane movement comparable to dueling V

[echo turtle]

Nice thanks

[viscid matrix]

im a illisi fanboi

[echo turtle]

It's a good wep

[gusty furnace]

correct

staffs no

force swords yes

[tall mango]

Awesome

I got slaughter 3

[gusty furnace]

While the staffs are all staffs, they're not in the same family

[echo turtle]

The lack of mobility in the illisi bothers me thi

[raw token]

oh are you talking about duelling swords or force swords?

[gusty furnace]

infinite dodges

lack of mobility

[cinder moon]

you can tell if blessings will apply to the same guns by looking at "recon lasgun" or "infantry autorifle" etc

[gusty furnace]

waddafuq

[echo turtle]

Dueling

[raw token]

ok yh cool

[echo turtle]

I would use them, but they sucked before

[cinder moon]

they didn't suck before, illisi was just too good

[pastel hazel]

dodging is annoying in this and vermintide though

[untold vault]

Illisi probably best horde clear in the game pre patch

[gusty furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[raw token]

ive used mkv for the entire duration of the game lmao, happy theyre finally back to their former glory

[echo turtle]

I tested vs a dagger, my dagger out DPS'd then by so much

[viscid matrix]

duelling swords are good for mobility with that double modifier to dodge range

[gusty furnace]

No

[pastel hazel]

though I'm controller

[gusty furnace]

that definitely went to bb mk3

without a doubt

[echo turtle]

What a chad

[tall mango]

voidstrike is better

[untold vault]

bb mk3?

[kindred chasm]

that, mk9 hsword and mk3 cleaver were all the definitive s tier imo

[gusty furnace]

bullbutcher mk3

a knife on ogryn

[cinder moon]

i've been using dueling mkIV for a few weeks now, it's even better than it was before, but it was never bad

[untold vault]

Ooh ogryn

[echo turtle]

I had a very well rolled one, and my dagger did like 50% more damage so I could never justify it

[gusty furnace]

170 base damage

+75% power

(from slaughterer tier 4)

[teal needle]

I wonder if mk6 cleaver compares now

[gusty furnace]

just mash mouse 1 and hordes disappeared

[teal needle]

It got buffed

[runic hornet]

yeah slaughterer 4 bull butcher was and still kind of is the most braindead weapon

[tall mango]

my beauty

[autumn smelt]

do the stacks for disrupt destiny fall off all at once or one at a time like warp charges

[kindred chasm]

apparently the mk4 cleaver is the bees knees now

[acoustic spade]

Wait, what does Deimos FS do?

[echo turtle]

Is the blaze force swoed still Garbo?

[raw token]

somehow ive never gotten a good mkv roll but my staff rolls are all crazed

[gusty furnace]

Hmm

[tall mango]

gonna change out the refinments

[gusty furnace]

I'd swap blazing spirit for Deflector

or Unstable Power

[untold vault]

single target dmg

[gusty furnace]

and bump slaughterer to tier 4 when you find it

[echo turtle]

Dueling sword like mobility, extremely good attack pattern

[tall mango]

Ill swap em if I stumble upon em

[gusty furnace]

And just leave the perks alone

They're not perfect, but meh

[untold vault]

You could 1 combo crushers with it

[acoustic spade]

ok so Obscurus is the middle of the road, Illisi is pure Hoard clear and Deimos is just single target?

[gusty furnace]

Yeah

[autumn smelt]

its a more single target force sword with good stabbing heavies, and its charged up does a really good amount of damage to a single target, just like the obscurus (but better)

[untold vault]

Obscurus was outclassed by Illisi and deimos

[tall mango]

its not worth switching the dmg vs pox?

[snow scaffold]

Voidstrike is the worse staff if you're in a constant spawning section out in the open with very limited cover

[untold vault]

It had no place

Or use

[kindred chasm]

obscurus is “we don’t talk about it” tier

[raw token]

illisi also does a lot of single target damage with empowered heavy left click

[kindred chasm]

the choices are illisi and deimos

[manic flint]

im annoyed, at 100% peril with an empowered brain burst you still die, but it shouldnt cost peril so it shouldnt kill you.

[gusty furnace]

deimos my beloved

[untold vault]

Deimos actually had very good light attack spam horde clear for a single target dmg weapon.

[viscid matrix]

beter off changing both blessings and leaving perks as is, cause Unsatble Power or Deflector would be better than the soulburn on sword

[untold vault]

Especially if you put slaughterer / uncanny strike on it

[acoustic spade]

dont say that, Its my orange 78% Warp resistance Deflector III FS :X

[teal needle]

That is indeed poopy

[left basin]

GZ ME

[tall mango]

Ill look for unstable power then

[left basin]

IV WARP NEXUS ON VOID

SURGE ALREADY IN

RRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAA

[south canopy]

YOU DID IT

[kindred chasm]

with the toughness generation such as it is warp resist often works directly against you

[untold vault]

Big gz

[gusty furnace]

You mean like this 😏

[untold vault]

Hadron keeps bricking my good brunt's rolls

[left basin]

ONE YEAR IN THE MAKING

[viscid matrix]

just ride the 90% peril by tapping quell between every brain burst

[raw token]

mines better

[tall mango]

my voidstrike staff is probably as good as it can get, until i get warp nexus

[manic flint]

@viscid matrix so you dont die if you kill the person with empowered but you do if you fail ...

[untold vault]

Hope they rework crafting in the future to not be so ass

[kindred chasm]

if wishes were horses etc

[untold vault]

I would throw plasteel, diamantine and odo dockets at it to raise weapon stats.

[manic flint]

also Shriek feels trash...

[gusty furnace]

yeah, well, top this then

[untold vault]

Same with editing more than 2 modifications

[raw token]

🥱

[tall mango]

im so mad i got warp nexus on trauma

[gusty furnace]

wat

[teal needle]

Crafting is ass but i'd rather they just unlocked the locks and spent a year making Content rather than spend more time in it rn

[kindred chasm]

he’s asking for you to be his top don’t be mean

[gusty furnace]

warp nexus is great on trauma

[viscid matrix]

if you are 99% peril when starting to cast BB, then you wont explode when its 100% for 99% of the channel, so just tap quell so you can keep casting

[tall mango]

No i wanted it on voidstrike

yeah its good

[raw token]

ayo

[tall mango]

but am sad its not on void

[acoustic spade]

Ok I just upgraded this Illisi Sword, I should've put in a lottery ticket instead, a Natural Deflector

[manic flint]

no but empowered BB shouldnt kill me regardless.

it generates 0 peril

[gusty furnace]

funee sowad

[kindred chasm]

just psionics things

[tall mango]

yeah im def gonna seek unstable power

[autumn smelt]

i believe it isnt the fact that it generates peril, but it is still considered a warp attack while youre at critical peril

[viscid matrix]

it probably generates peril then removes it, so you go boom

[fathom adder]

But according to Reddit, people will have no reason to play without chasing a forever grind

[tall mango]

is Superiority not worth using?

[gusty furnace]

I spent something like 35-40k plasteel getting the sticker books full for all 4 staffs and force swords

[raw token]

so true so true

[autumn smelt]

because blowing up isnt generating peril above 100%, otherwise youd instantly blow up when you are charging a bb at 100%

[kindred chasm]

i mean if you look at destiny it’s kinda true

[autumn smelt]

its based on actually doing a warp attack at 100%

[gaunt stone]

Would you say this should be used in all Psyker builds

[autumn smelt]

yes

[kindred chasm]

just the grind itself needs to not suck

[gusty furnace]

I need to take this out for a spin

I heard they got buffed

[autumn smelt]

it is literally too good to not

[viscid matrix]

i think yes, but im a soulblaze enjoyer

[raw token]

why i really dont get this one

[gaunt stone]

What about on Assail Surge staff?

[kindred chasm]

does rampage proc reliably on that?

[autumn smelt]

especially on assail surge

[gusty furnace]

With push attacks

6 cleave on push attacks

[kindred chasm]

ooo

[viscid matrix]

everything thats not unyeidling is staggered/supressed

[fathom adder]

Can 4 stacks of soulblaze kill a zombie yet

[left basin]

i just need my slaughterer 4

[teal needle]

4 stacks of SB is like 32 dps isn't it? Gets better with wildfire in mixed hordes

[gaunt stone]

I am trying to optimize my Assail Surge staff build. Should I change anything here.

[autumn smelt]

when you kill an elite any, any elite enemy, everyone nearby gets 4 stacks of soulblaze, thats nearly enough to kill poxwalkers, kill 2 elite enemies and youre now killing melees and shooters, 3 elites and now elites are being melted

[lethal folio]

Perilous combustion is one of the most broken nodes in all the trees.

[autumn smelt]

im aware this isnt the best example due to how easy they are to deal with, but with assail and perious combustion, when a dog pack shows up i can just throw a few and 1-2 dogs die and the rest all burn up and die in 3 seconds

[raw token]

i find running all 4 toughness regen perks to be insanely powerful, literally feel unkillabe as long as the team isnt overrun with trash

[gusty furnace]

The least amount of thinking required build.

[viscid matrix]

tbh i go generate peril gives toughness, quell generates toughness, and soulblaze, and skip the warp 15%, since we get 15% by useing assail from Empowerd keystone

[ornate sedge]

man i really hope they dont nerf assail damage

[gusty furnace]

Assail needs to be nerfed

there's no ifs, ands or buts about it

Its way too strong to be a G ability

[raw token]

but

does void need to be nerfed

[ornate sedge]

but it is funny

[gusty furnace]

Like, enjoy Assail for now

[gaunt stone]

I feel like the crit chance nodes are important though on the right

[gusty furnace]

just know that its most likely going to be nerfed

[viscid matrix]

the damage isnt the problem with assail, its the fact you can maintain charges constantly and keep sending out more of them all the time

[autumn smelt]

this is why im using for funny voidstrike and it kinda wrecks shop

[viscid matrix]

those are also nice, but not really needed, they are a bonus, the crit damage stacking is very nice

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, the cooldown on ammo regen needs to be like 35 seconds long

or something

To match the damage its capable of outputting

[ornate sedge]

bruh 35? damn

maybe like 10