psyker-class

[tall mango]

idk

actually make the left click high damage??????

like it says?????????????

[lyric burrow]

yeah that would help lol

[sullen bobcat]

Assail needs less ammo/longer recharge. Smite needs its bug fixed and like 30% less peril gen

[tall mango]

instead of being the EXACT same as the right click

like ffs

[fluid knot]

I mean.. Brainburst and Smite both are pretty low skill

[tall mango]

Ive used the left click exactly once in my last 6 or so missions and it was a pure misclick

[sullen bobcat]

The difference is low skill / high reward vs low skill / medium reward

[tall mango]

psyker in general is very low skill lets be honest

[fluid knot]

Brainburst locks onto targets in exactly the same way and Smite denies a huge number of enemies the ability to move

[pale dome]

Hey guys, do you know if its possible to find people here to help me with a penance? I need to complete the one where I have to single-handedly kill a boss. Is this the place to look for help or no?

[sullen bobcat]

BB is more like choosing when to use it correctly. It's more of a tactical skillset because you're pretty much afk for 5 secs to use it

[lyric burrow]

i would disagree but with access to infinite dodges + new void and stuff id agree lol

[fluid knot]

Idk about that, given Kinetic Barrage is basically still in the game i would argue otherwise

[lyric burrow]

although i dont find the classes very hard in general

difficulty is in knowing how to play situations

[fluid knot]

Though i would say buffing Brainburst a little more would even out the odds a little bit

[sage geode]

Lowkey kinda dislike scrier's gaze

[tall mango]

You’ll need a private lobby, and #vox-lfg-lexicanum (i would be willing to help btw)

[fluid knot]

After like 9 and a half months using Void i can tell you straight up when you know how to leverage it, its fucking absurd

Particularly now with the ability nuke Crushers like they're nothing

[tall mango]

Old psyker was still very easy to play imo

he’s just, FAR more effective now

[lyric burrow]

yeah it just does what surge was meant to do but better

[naive imp]

this is something i'm interested in...teach me the ways of psyker

[pale dome]

thank you very much, theres only 1 issue: I do not have a mic at the moment (my family is asleep). Is there any chance to find people cool about it or is it an absolute must?

[lyric burrow]

i found them harder till illisi dropped

granted i was new to the game before then

so i was also just bad at melee

[fluid knot]

Illisi is another thing that is actually absurd

[tall mango]

I’m sure people would be fine with it, find a group and run a heresy game and you should get it in no time, be sure to have brain burst equipped too, don’t wanna get caught soloing a monster with smite

[pale dome]

yes of course, join strike team 16, I will ask for more people

[lapis bay]

Real pros solo with claw and shredder

[tall mango]

he’s doing the penance

[lapis bay]

Oh yeah, def spec into brainburst

That +10% damage is KEY

[tall mango]

But no REAL men solo with smite

I’ll kill em…eventually…

maybe when they add force greatsword he’ll be dead

[lapis bay]

Doesn't it stagger monstrosities now?

[tall mango]

I haven’t had it stagger a monstrosity

[fluid knot]

You can use it to contersnipe, spam it at close range to get yourself out of shit situations, both Surge an Blazing are epic blessings, the prior for damage, the second for DoT application (only surpassed by Purgatus), Aim at heads all the time an it'll cut a line through groups. Try to hold chokepoints where you can properly funnel targets through a tight gap to maximise how many you're killing with every shot/stopping as little getting by as possible. Oh yeah, an it kills Bulwarks through the shield now

[tall mango]

voidstrike can

[fluid knot]

Christ i hope they add that

[tall mango]

I hope the voidstrike nerfs include reducing its stagger, and damage

[fluid knot]

Take 15% off the damage i'd say for sure

[lyric burrow]

yeah it needs to have worse damage than surge

[tall mango]

Not so much so that it can’t kill a horde or basic elite

[fluid knot]

Stagger monsters should probs go, but it should stagger everything else

[lyric burrow]

otherwise theres no reason to run surge

[tall mango]

My dream additions are force greatsword and soulblaze pillar staff

[spice oar]

i need to make a speed build with psyker to rival the zealot speed build but im not sure if its possible

[tall mango]

as well as giving staffs unique left clicks

[lyric burrow]

zealot fast now

[fluid knot]

Surge does actually stop stuff in its tracks tho, so its still got a place

Two things rather than just one unless you're spamming void balls, in which case that ends up being a DPS loss

Unless ofc, you're running Blazing

[whole oxide]

blazing feels kinda redunant on void now, 'cos everything just gets insta-nuked

[harsh urchin]

ye

i'm having fun with flurry transfer

[naive imp]

wtf is void

halp

[fluid knot]

Nah, you can still burn everything around what you hit

3 stacks applied on hit, 3 from the explosion

Its good DoT output

[fluid knot]

Voidstrike

[nocturne badge]

is there a new meta for combat axe blessings?

[fluid knot]

Doubt it

BM is still cracked, just not as ridiculous as it was

HT was toned down a bit, but is still super strong

[drowsy slate]

Is there something considered OP on psyker?

[nocturne badge]

voidstrike

[drowsy slate]

Voidstrike seems strong and the shards too

[gleaming hornet]

Was voidstrike buffed? Because it was never not strong, tbh

[slow raven]

limited cleave is an issue on void though, theres a lot of situations where i wish i had brought my trauma instead because void just cant handle a massive group of crushers and maulers the way trauma can

[fluid knot]

I agree, but its fucking stupid now

[gleaming hornet]

What changed?

[lapis bay]

Cutting and oneshotting crushers LOL

[fluid knot]

Damage, cleave values

[nocturne badge]

1300 damage headshot

[drowsy slate]

Played a game with voidstrike crit build and I got surge blessing thing melted everything. Also the shield is very nice. Don’t know what to do with blitz tho

[fluid knot]

It doesnt need to cleave Crushers, it kills them in two hits

[rustic falcon]

why doesn't scrier's gaze quell your peril at the end, why is this amazing ability rendered into dogshit

[fluid knot]

If you were expecting something that cleaves Crushers, the only option is Purga

[slow raven]

yeah but only like 1 at a time, if you have a group of like 8 crushers and 8 maulers plus other random trash that can be pretty iffy

trauma will kill the group faster even if it's slower doing one at a time

[fluid knot]

just summat you have to work around

[slow raven]

and at least it knocks them on their ass

[tall mango]

fellow trauma enjoyer

[fluid knot]

Void also knocks them on their ass with a fully charged shot

[slow raven]

while void just kinda staggers them for a half sec

not a massive group

[fluid knot]

If you need more output to kill them faster, try the Surge blessing on Void

[tall mango]

void can stagger a monstrosity, trauma cannot afaik

[naive imp]

are warp attacks all staff stuff?

or the psyker abilities?

[tall mango]

your G

the abilities

[fluid knot]

Abilities yeah

[naive imp]

kk

so i feel like voidstrike+smite. you have aoe and single target

[drowsy slate]

I Play void with surge and warp nexus. With all the crit buffs in the skill tree it’s quite impressive

[tall mango]

actually when it comes to your damage buffs in the skill tree, the non warp and warp, staffs are included in that warp catgeory iirc

[drowsy slate]

What is finesse doing?

[fluid knot]

Yer, it is gonna be dialed back though because its obscene at the moment

[still hearth]

Okay so Surge staff

Isn't that bad

But I still don't like it very much

[shy fiber]

Is precognition + riposte a meme or is it good with the buffs lmao

[still hearth]

It's pretty good now I think

[shy fiber]

does that require the dodge on crit chance thing

[still hearth]

Dodging ranged stuff on crit is really nice

[shy fiber]

no wait not even we got that massive dodge duration perk

[spice oar]

run it with smite to low tier god

[still hearth]

Ehh Smite felt pretty bad

[spice oar]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-low-tier-god-yskysn-ltg-thunder-thunder-gif-23523876

[still hearth]

I'd rather have Assail with Surge tbh

[spice oar]

its got infinite duration with empowered psionics, no peril

[still hearth]

The only time I used Smite was to help ress someon

Yeah but I'm refusing that

It's so boring

[spice oar]

could say the same about the shards tbh

[upper galleon]

pretty sure void is better than surge for assail right now

[still hearth]

I play Psyker to use 100% of my brain

[upper galleon]

but sruge is probably better once void gets hit in the hotfix

[still hearth]

pretty sure void is better* fify

Assail does what I want Smite to do but actually kills the stuff

And Surge already kills things now so its fine

[spice oar]

eh its still just left click, not exactly 100% brain power when you can just spam it the whole match

[still hearth]

Sure but I mean

None of the blitzes use brain power

[spice oar]

yeah

[still hearth]

But Assail kills gunners and I don't have to keep it out all the time

And it horde clears

So I guess I just like it because it seems to work with Surge better

[orchid nest]

when void gets nerfed it would be nice if they brought up surge dmg some against monstrosities. nice having a staff for once that can chunk them a bit but it should belong to surge anyways with the current design

[spice oar]

right now we are in the state where everything is op

[still hearth]

Ehhh

[spice oar]

righjt

[still hearth]

Smite is bugged.

[burnt tapir]

surge fells pretty meh

[still hearth]

BB isn't that great

[spice oar]

ik not "everything" but most things

[still hearth]

Voidstrike, Assail, Dome spam, infite Smite (I guess)

[lofty temple]

Use Shriek with flames, Smite, Warp Charges with Inner Tranquility + Surge staff for a Palpatine build that won't get nerfed into the ground next patch

[still hearth]

Aside from the bug on Smite I doubt they'll do anything to it

[spice oar]

its perfectly allright apart from the infinte duration yeah

[tall mango]

i hope they buff it

[still hearth]

I'd say it needs to cost less peril for sure

[spice oar]

expect shards to get some kinda ammo regen decrease tho

[still hearth]

Without warp charges you can't even use it for like 5 seconds

[spice oar]

or a hefty peril gen increase

[orchid nest]

they should keep the peril cost removal but just make it a duration instead for empowered

[still hearth]

I hope BB gets a buff

[lapis bay]

I like to pretend my assail shards are similar to throwing knives, so RMB toss at a distant sniper and duck behind cover for that death instead of spamming LMB to clear rooms

I love how the real hero is the stubby buff, with crucian and handcannon can kill 3 crushers and severely hurt a 4th in one reload

[lofty temple]

I'm still not entirely sure what benefit there is to charging up Smite

[lapis bay]

LMB is 1-2 mobs, RMB is like...20

[lofty temple]

LMB keeps adding more targets as you channel

[orchid nest]

yeah whatever single target thing it mentions in the tooltip feels like a bug that it isn't even existing or something lmao

[lapis bay]

Oh makes sense, everytime I've tried it it's felt like LMB caps around 5 mobs but when I RMB it, it spreads to dozens. Maybe confirmation bias

[still hearth]

It's hard to tell because the jump distance is pretty short

[spice oar]

ive been kinda feeling good with BB, empowered psionics is defo the way to go with it tho

[still hearth]

Probably, yeah.

I don't think I've tried that one yet, but it locks you into only killing Elites

Which is kinda sucky for BB

[indigo thunder]

What's the talent build for massive voidstrikes?

[still hearth]

Anything

Warp Charges is probably best for Voidstrike spam though

Then whatever you want tbh

The one that gives confirmed crits on 5 weakspot hits is dope

[spice oar]

and monstrosities (plus nothings stopping you from BBing a bomber)

[still hearth]

Combined with Surge blessing.

[ornate hamlet]

Which is the power sword thats better for ad clear?

[still hearth]

Yeah the Veterans that teleport in to kill it.

[ornate hamlet]

Illis?

[still hearth]

Yeah

Illisi

I mean BB does decent boss damage but its not extreme

[spice oar]

oh please they are too busy crying cause of the 75% DR removal from their ult

[ornate sedge]

just coming into the game after stopping for a while, the psyker changes make it so much more fun. i feel like i can actually play as a caster now rather than just using a staff. assail is awesome

[still hearth]

Yet I see so many Veterans in game

[spice oar]

i actually only tend to see commisars

maybe im lucky idk

[still hearth]

I mean there's not a lot of sharpshooters that's true

But I see a few

Barely any invis men though

[spice oar]

which is silly cause i thought there would be more, more aggressive playstyle for those who still want to be shooting

[fluid knot]

Ive had a few Vets complain about Assail killing thier Ult uptime an its really fuckin funny

[still hearth]

Yeah but

Their CDR is super conditional

I think they only get CDR on Specialist kills

[spice oar]

they know how it feels now

[fluid knot]

Yep, be like that it indeed do

[ornate hamlet]

I haven't used a surge staff in a long time but using assail, bubble shield and surge staff has got me carrying these Auric Maelstroms

[still hearth]

Another reason to use assail with Warp Charges, to quickly steal those kills

[potent grail]

Is smite suppose to be able to be psuedo-infinite?

[still hearth]

It can go full infinite

And no its not intended

[potent grail]

F

[fluid knot]

The general concensus is that there isnt massive benifit for doing that either

[midnight kiln]

Wdym smite is bugged? What's wrong with it?

[lofty temple]

Empowered Psionics is bugged

[elder rain]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[true lake]

if you have a stack of empowered psionics and use the charged RMB of smite, you can hold it forever with no downside or peril gen

granted its damage still sucks, but its literally infinite

[midnight kiln]

Yeah but Smite is really weak imo

[still hearth]

You do have to suffer to crab walk around the map too

Which is fun

[proven stirrup]

Not everything is about damage

[still hearth]

Wrong

[proven stirrup]

keep that in mind

[lofty temple]

Smite is awesome

[still hearth]

Everything is about damage

[true lake]

the main issue is you can stun just about everything with smite

[fluid knot]

Not a whole lot of point in it either, it auto stops casting at max peril, an then cools 20% off your peril, the points are better spent elsewhere

[still hearth]

Unless you can't do enough damage

Then its not about damage

[true lake]

so you would be able to just infinitely hold entire hordes or specials

no downside or anything

[shy fiber]

Is it just me or does it feel like even on hi-intensity that disrupt destiny is difficult to get full stacks for 💀

[true lake]

at least with assail you have to quell very often

[still hearth]

It's pretty ass right now it seems

[shy fiber]

Making me want to run 30s instead of 30 stacks

. . . I might actually do that now for consistency sake

[proven stirrup]

Yeah doesn't feel like some of the procs are properly firing off for sure.

[lofty temple]

Is it even worth getting that one talent to add an extra target to smite?

[fluid knot]

Smite is deffo useful, but relying on it for damage? Hell fuckin no

[still hearth]

Making stuff based on

GETTING KILLS

[shy fiber]

You can lock down a room

[still hearth]

ON SPECIFIC TARGETS

IS REALLY BAD FATSHARK

CAN WE NOT??

[lofty temple]

It's one target

[still hearth]

We've literally had to suffer through this with Warp Charges V1 already

[true lake]

elites and specials are pretty easy to get kills on, they are very frequent

[still hearth]

Yeah but Destiny

Is just a random target

[gray kelp]

how do people like bio-lightning/new surge staff? assails seem too strong to not use right now tbh lol

[true lake]

disrupt destiny randomly selects enemies within a radius of you yeah

[still hearth]

The new Warp Charges are fine though

[still hearth]

Surge is really good rn and complements Assail very well.

[hollow jolt]

selects the Chaos Spawn

[true lake]

disrupt destiny i feel just doesnt work with the current loadout choices psykers have

[toxic crown]

so I have really been enjoying the Dueling swords, and was wondering which of those was best?

[true lake]

just not enough weapons to really make it any good for most loadouts

[lofty temple]

MK 5 for safety, MK 4 for damage

IIRC

[half jacinth]

Scrier Gaze, been awhile but once it hits 100%, you are still fine and not locked into the self explode right? Been awhile and testing in the grinder and has me wonder if I will just pop myself for using it lol

[shy fiber]

Voidstrike staff maybe?

[lofty temple]

I tried both

I prefer 5

[shy fiber]

As long as you cast before 100 you dont explode afaik

[toxic crown]

thanks, been using a Mk V for a bit, might get a Mk IV to try out

[true lake]

you only pop if you use a warp attack once it brings you to 100

[gray kelp]

surge seems like it has pretty strong single target damage now from testing it in grinder

[still hearth]

It is probably the second most single target DPS you can do to any target (behind Voidstrike)

For your staves at least

[fluid knot]

You wont explode when it hits 100 no, but you do have to be careful if you're using something else tha generates peril, because if you mistime the use, you will explode

[half jacinth]

Alright, so cease fire once max. Got it

[true lake]

yeah

[still hearth]

More like cease fire

[fluid knot]

Ideally a bit before

[still hearth]

AT 20%

Once it hits the fast peril gen speed

[true lake]

you dont want to use much of anything warp during the effect

[rustic falcon]

if mistime quelling at 100% and take any action you'll explode, and it can be finicky on the timing

[still hearth]

It's like 100% peril in a second

And its just

Not very good tbh

[spice oar]

Scriers gaze with staffs is brave

[fluid knot]

You can get some really good damage with warp related stuff with Scriers, but its very dangerous

[true lake]

i tried it out and it didnt feel very powerful as i thought it would be

[rustic falcon]

yeah looks great on paper but uhhhhhh in practice not good at all

[still hearth]

The buff is too weak for it to be that useful and you got to manage it so aggressively to even get 30 stacks

[fluid knot]

Ive been running Assail + Scriers and oh boi do you have to be careful

[half jacinth]

More so using it with the projectiles over staff. Seems nice so far but just now testing

[spice oar]

Edging the slaaneshi demons on the other side

[true lake]

assail is better with the force push thing, assail quickly chews through peril

[fluid knot]

Idk about better, but safer for sure

[spice oar]

Btw can i just say that being able to rapid fire the regular staff left click is so much fun

Especially with exorcist

[snow scaffold]

What's the best DPS for bosses if you don't have brain burst, I just lost bc I'm running from the slug and all my teammates died

[true lake]

i felt like the massive peril per assail shot just doesnt pair well with scrier at all

too much risk

[snow scaffold]

It was 3 psykers as well lol

[naive imp]

are there particular unlocks along the way i should use?

[spice oar]

You'd throw 2 shards and then turn into a chaos spawn

[true lake]

pretty much

[fluid knot]

The damage is very good, but after the third quell cycle you're properly in the danger zone

[naive imp]

almost 5....lol

[spice oar]

I need to get into doing the quell cycle, do you quell fully to 0 or to a certain %

[fluid knot]

If you take Scriers an then go down the warp charge tree you can slow the peril generation rate to make it managable for the first three cycles, but on the fourth you'er just better letting it hit max an then cool off

[fluid knot]

Full to zero

It spools up the speed that its generating at different thresholds, so the lower you keep it, the longer you can stay in it

[lapis bay]

on BB I keep it at 99%

Quell animation cancel and then BB, rinse and repeat

[spice oar]

I meant for gaze Ik the bb stuff

[autumn smelt]

i wanna hear your guys thoughts
im running an assail build with surge as the method of dealing with the bigger guys, and im running empowered psyonics, venting shriek, and multiple crit related stuff due to the free headshot crit node being just so free with assail.
my question is, i currently dont have the ascendant blaze node unlocked, but i feel like that is just free damage im missing out on (and can be amplified by the free soulblaze on elite kill), so i kinda wanna put it on, but id have to sacrifice a node for it, but i dont know which of these is worth actually giving up to do that, these would be the two i think i could live without, but i wanna hear what yall say

[wet belfry]

Would any of the dueling swords 1 shot mutants in any scenario?

[spice oar]

Yes

[true lake]

between the two i would probably drop empathic evasion

[runic hornet]

dueling sword's special now does massive headshot damage right

[wet belfry]

Which one and how?

[true lake]

the time is so short that it is completely useless unless you are almost constantly critting

[runic hornet]

so if the mutie is facing you you could probably poke it to death

[spice oar]

Forgot which mk but the one with only stab heavies, if you land a weak spot hit it deals 20x dmg

[spice veldt]

no

[spice oar]

Special and stab heavies

[runic hornet]

which is it darn it

[spice veldt]

the special has stagger but not danage

[fluid knot]

Bizzarely i would say its probbaly better when shooting a big horde in the head with Voidstrike 😂 Hit like 20 guys with a crit because they're pre-determined an be immune to shooters for a few seconds

Stupid niche tho

[true lake]

yeah just sadly very niche

its not a bad talent at all just you need to crit a lot of stuff very often

[runic hornet]

can assails crit

[fluid knot]

Ye

[naive imp]

this good?

[fluid knot]

They can

[naive imp]

or should i go straight to assail?

[autumn smelt]

im constantly critting when im slinging shards, which is why i chose it in the first place, otherwise i wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole

[fluid knot]

You ideally wanna take a couple more of the toughness regen nodes

[runic hornet]

yeah if assail can crit that node seems

very strong to me

[true lake]

well what other talents do you have that give toughness percentage?

might not need the other one if you already have a lot of toughness talents in other places

[runic hornet]

because you can have multiple assails floating around while you focus on attacking and then you get free dodges against random shooters

[fluid knot]

The top bit of the tree is your survivability

[cerulean cave]

suggested final adjustment?

[runic hornet]

psyker trees are very condensed, you generally have free points after reaching the good stuff at the bottom, you take bonus points at the top when you want to be tankier

[true lake]

that purgatus is good as is tbh

[runic hornet]

i'm partial to the immune to interruption on purgatus

Over warp flurry

[true lake]

maybe just upgrade the 20% to flak to 25% and thats it

[autumn smelt]

yeah i guess
the other node however is a toughness one that would be proccing every now and again as im shard slinging, but it affects the team which is why i grabbed it no questions asked

[runic hornet]

I don't think flurry is very useful on purgatus

[cerulean cave]

leave maniac, really? That's the one that's kinda irking me

ngl

[true lake]

flurry lets you spam the purgatus very quickly

[naive imp]

on kill i get rid of periland doing so gives toughness?

[autumn smelt]

but maybe 6 stacks of soulblaze is probably just a little better

[autumn smelt]

if it procs, yes

its only a 10% chance

[cerulean cave]

was thinking Unyielding or something, instead of Maniac

[autumn smelt]

it would only give 5% toughness though

[runic hornet]

"purgatus quickly" has always been an oxymoron to me in its use case
If you have a good position and are flaming an angle of horde, that horde is fucking dead

SHaving a few milliseconds off of its death by getting a slightly faster recharge makes effectively no difference

[autumn smelt]

but quietude is still really good regardless

[naive imp]

i'll get expenditure next

[true lake]

depends on what the rest of your team is using

[runic hornet]

On the other hand losing your purgatus charge because you're under shooter pressure and taking hits to HP will instantly kill you

[naive imp]

so generating and dumping gives toughness restore

[runic hornet]

when you drop your charge

[autumn smelt]

what staff are you using?

[true lake]

with the new class stuff idk if purgatus is as immediately useful as it once was

havent given it a try

[cerulean cave]

that's what smite's for

[naive imp]

i'm level 4.

[wet belfry]

Do ya’ll think warp flurry or warp nexus or transfer peril is the strongest on voidstrike rn? Assuming surge is already picked.

[autumn smelt]

ah ok

[runic hornet]

do you not drop smite if you get stunned/take HP damage

[naive imp]

i think ijust unlocked trauma?

[cerulean cave]

just stun em before

[runic hornet]

oh

[cerulean cave]

and get in close

[runic hornet]

so same problem then

the classic "death" situation is when you're doing an event or certain very large outdoor "rooms" on teh desert maps and suddenly you're stuck behind horde and there's like 80 shooters on balconies blowing you to hell

getting interrupted constantly

[cerulean cave]

as long as you have one enemy between you and the gunners, smite will spread to them

[autumn smelt]

nvm i thought you were max level and just now starting with the new trees
those two are probably the better options earlier on with what youve got

[runic hornet]

a few milliseconds' faster charge is worhtless

compared to not losing a 0.5-0.8 second charge

It's a case of building into strengths that are worthless and not shoring up weaknesses that are fatal

[cerulean cave]

eh. I still think the blessings on it are perfect for my playstyle. I wouldn't purge a balcony of gunners, as said. My purgatus usage in general is rather low

[runic hornet]

it feels better

but it ultimately fails more

higher highs but more frequent lows

[cerulean cave]

I'm just not liking the Maniax perk on it and wanted to hear someone else say it, so I don't feel crazy

[true lake]

it helps a lot in higher difficulties mainly

[runic hornet]

I'm unironically on team +infested on purgatus

unlike flurry

[cerulean cave]

I was thinking unyielding, ngl

[runic hornet]

+infested is Actually a noticeable cleartime increase

for killing a horde

it also makes the Wildfire spread kills much more consistent

to the point where it gives you the option to stop flaming and just start sprinting away with your staff

the entire horde will be dead

Before it catches up to you

[cerulean cave]

thing is, the purgatus is used, in my build, to compliment my otherwise very support/cc heavy approach, while also going right into melee quite a bit.
So...purgatus is used for something I'd rather clear BEFORE it gets to me. Any other case? Sword or Smite.

[runic hornet]

Ultimately I don't think purgatus is "optimal" but if you're going to play it because it's fun, it's worth playing it right

[naive imp]

should i get a trauma staff or just wait till 11 when i can buy a void?

[runic hornet]

literally every "crescendo" involves enemy spawns like six feet away

you don't have a choice

[cerulean cave]

I hate every staff but surge and purgatus and ngl? I feel like they killed surge. No reason to run it anymore, over other staffs, unless you REALLY dont wanna use smite.

[runic hornet]

being able to kill an entire side of horde by yourself

is a major advantage

[autumn smelt]

as youre leveling, id recommend just trying each weapon
the stats will be low and you feel like youre doing very little damage, but just play around with it and see if you like how the weapon feels so you know what you might like when youre max level

[runic hornet]

Purgatus + brainburst is still good, it hits all range brackets without needing to beg your team to do something about distant specials

[naive imp]

makes sense. i know i hate brain burst. channeling for 1 target seems horrid

[runic hornet]

like as braindead powerful as assails are, there are some very fucked up situations where they fail at range and if you didn't take a consistent longrange option you'll wipe.

[pallid glacier]

It seems like psyker homing daggers are extremely overpowered? Is this agreed upon?

[cerulean cave]

I am very much not liking assail in auric

ngl

[runic hornet]

They do way too much damage with way too little effort

As long as you're throwing them, flamers, bombers, trappers, dogs in your vicinity basically don't exist

they recharge so fast you can practically use them as a primary weapon

and cost low enough peril that you can throw quite a few between vents

[whole oxide]

and yet, an actual primary weapon will do more

[runic hornet]

they do fail at very long range but that's a minor disadvantage you can remedy by simply picking any staff or hell, even an mg12 lasgun unironically

[runic hornet]

lmao no not even close

[pallid glacier]

You can just throw them out then shoot

[runic hornet]

assails wipe a gunner patrol before an autopistol ever could

[autumn smelt]

they recently changed it, the one you have at the moment is worse than it was before, but you get an option later on to get one that is better than it was before
however, especially with buffs that increase your charge rate of it, having a massive "fuck you" button is much better than you would think, youre actually better at taking down snipers than the veterans are, and you dont even have to keep line of sight to kill them

[runic hornet]

unless you're talking about ambushing patrols while they're still in formation

[whole oxide]

time spent throwing is time spent not shooting

[runic hornet]

like sure you can instantly kill a shooter patrol when it's marching straight toward you with one voidstrike but that's... very subjective and not the istuation where you care

[naive imp]

that makes sense

[cerulean cave]

yea idk about OP....it's fun to clear a room with them and they're ABSOLUTELY great against something like a hound horde, but like...a purgatus can do the same and the flames will interrupt the pounces too...smite can stunlock them. Sure Assail can snipe, kind of, but in Auric Damnation, it felt like throwing pebbles.

[runic hornet]

you care when the shooters are spread out in a semicircle around you and all in cover

that's why assails are so fucking strong

all these shooters ducked into cover and you can just

[whole oxide]

yeah, they're great for spread out stuff

[runic hornet]

sprint around and assail everything in a fraction of the time

it would take to clear them out with any other weapon

[whole oxide]

but when there's a ball of death of stuff, a good autogun or staff will go through that way faster

[runic hornet]

it is strongest in the most dangerous situation, on top of being well above the bar out of it

[autumn smelt]

if it hits the head it one shots snipers
with the elite soulblaze perk 2 hound kills wipe the rest of them from a further range than purg

[naive imp]

it seems like the right side of the tree sucks

[ornate hamlet]

Man the assail control is so weird. So they "gently" follow your mouse when they're near a hostile. And if you wait for after the impact you can then guide them to other people by turning your mouse onto a different hostile?

[cerulean cave]

not saying purge is as good as assails are, just saying I wouldnt pick assails with that argument.

[autumn smelt]

right side of the tree is heavily tailored toward psykers using guns

[runic hornet]

wait, do assails even have control

I was under the impression they just floated around

and did their own thing

[cerulean cave]

same

[runic hornet]

once they locked onto a target

[pallid glacier]

you can aim with assails using right click

[spice veldt]

as far as I can tell, there are two conditions for the shards to home into enemies

• they must be within a certain distance of the enemy
• your cursor over the enemy while the shards are near them

[runic hornet]

Yeah there's the initial designation with RMB throw but that's it i thought

[spice veldt]

you aim Assail either way with the lmb or rmb

[whole oxide]

no, even after release, they will roughly follow where you're looking

[cerulean cave]

yea but fire and forget

no?

[naive imp]

is soulblaze good? or no?

[cerulean cave]

huh

[runic hornet]

that doesn't seem right because I can throw assails on one side, turn 180 degrees, and they will continue killing on that side

[spice veldt]

but the initial throw has a spread

[cerulean cave]

interesting

[shy fiber]

Assail RMB lets you throw it to deal extra damage

[naive imp]

is it basically just cc?

[pallid glacier]

So is smite good or is it trash? Or is the problem more that assails are just THAT good?

[shy fiber]

Smite is CC

[spice veldt]

yeah i assume that there's a lock on of some sort

[cerulean cave]

comparing apples to oranges here

[runic hornet]

smite is for purging everyone's FPS

[ornate hamlet]

I didn't know that they follow your mouse even after hitting someone. Like I'm in the meatgrinder right now hitting the carapace ogyrn and guiding it all the way over to the flamer.

[autumn smelt]

soulblaze is just psykers fancy blue flames
it is quite literally just setting them on fire but its blue, so its dot

[spice veldt]

yeah it's not a fire-and-forget sort of deal

you can reliably get it to hit 3 targets (assuming they aren't carapace)

[cerulean cave]

damn

[spice veldt]

and the shards can meander about

[cerulean cave]

welp

still sticking to smite, ngl

[spice veldt]

so spamming them is not the most efficient if you have shards still floating in the air

on the other hand, waving your mouse wildly will also make it lock onto enemies reliably

[cerulean cave]

soulblaze on perks can be really good with a purgatus staff. Since the fire of a purgatus is also soulblaze.

[spice veldt]

employ purgatus strats with it

[ember horizon]

what type of background you need for psyker to sound like a lunatic? Loner?

[runic hornet]

define lunatic

they're all crazy IMO

[cerulean cave]

they're all nuts

PROTOCOL

[ember horizon]

stuff like "get out of my head" and etc

[runic hornet]

there's the one guy who's way too upright about THE LEX ATOMA and PROTOCOL

[ember horizon]

2nd type sounds more or less sane

[ornate hamlet]

Right now I'm using the assail for snipers and specials and my surge staff for literally everything else in Auric Maelstrom it's.. Working alright. But I need people to stop dying lmao

[runic hornet]

then there's the guy who thinks he's in a dream

then there's the guy who is super meta about the 40K setting and knows way too much stuff he shouldn't

[runic hornet]

the maelstrom experience

"why is my team dead"

"how did you die to that"

[cerulean cave]

"it's been 10 seconds"

[runic hornet]

the "sane sounding guy" is more and more actually-insane the longer you listen to him

[ornate hamlet]

My favorite was the psyker hitting the daemonhost and saying "I got this"

[pallid glacier]

I main the zealot and my auric 5 games are always my entire team dying and me spending half the match clutch rezzing them over and over

[ornate hamlet]

He did in fact not have it

[cerulean cave]

XD

[cerulean cave]

knife zealot?

[pallid glacier]

Makes sense why zealot got the heal ability

I use the stealth tbh

For fun

[kindred chasm]

real

[pallid glacier]

It’s nice for Rez

But yeah knife grenade

[cerulean cave]

you should've seen what I've seen

one knife zealot carrying an entire horde in circles

for like 10 minutes XD

[kindred chasm]

maybe if you used a weapon with horde clear instead of focusing on mobility and survivability your team would have less problems living?

[patent citrus]

The game is good now guys

[cerulean cave]

and then clutching up

[runic hornet]

Yeah and maybe if he had a real weapon he would have killed the horde in 1 minute

[pallid glacier]

I use heavy sword and auto pistol

[autumn smelt]

after i logged on for the update and started playing with assail
i was scared
my character is scaring me with his new dialogue
i need an adult

[patent citrus]

It’s very worth it the only thing lacking now is new maps

[pallid glacier]

I thought he meant knife grenades

[cerulean cave]

he wouldn't have had the mobility to survive it.

[runic hornet]

knife zealot clutches are a self fulfilling prophecy because they ditch the team because they can't hold up their side

imagine if they just

killed their side and then rescued

[pallid glacier]

Heavy sword is the way for zealot. You just slay everything and never die

[kindred chasm]

chainsword just took hsword's throne i fear

[runic hornet]

instead of having to ditch, force their horde onto their team while dodging away, and then everyone else dies and he complains "why are you so bad"

[cerulean cave]

the attrition game he played was the only way he'd ever clutch it.

Outside of that? Yes. He was a "lone wolf" and went down the most out of any of us

but still

[pallid glacier]

You think so?

[cerulean cave]

he got us the win, can't blame him for that

yknow?

[runic hornet]

I still havne't tried scier's gaze, can someone explain to me why i can't just vent and remain in it permanently

[kindred chasm]

i used the mk9 hsword religiously for like two months, chainsword goes insane rn

[pallid glacier]

Can it clear hordes at the same insane speeds as hsword?

[cerulean cave]

it feels so good to use it, but it's such a pain to use as well

[pallid glacier]

I love the special attack on hsword holy FUCK it’s so nice

[spice veldt]

the peril gen ramps up over time

[kindred chasm]

id say comparable speeds with light spam

[runic hornet]

wait, so that means this perk is really bad, then, right

because it makes you ramp up perils faster?

[wet belfry]

Was heavy sword in anyway buffed this patch?

[burnt tapir]

Voidstrike, crit or no crit?

[spice veldt]

nah it doesn't interact with the peril gen; just the buff that you get

[cerulean cave]

so the first part about weakspot kills doesnt mean that every weakspot kill will ramp your peril?

[lethal folio]

Don't worry about getting high stacks, just roll with it.

[kindred chasm]

id say hsword beats it if attacking fully trash mobs like walkers but chainsword does better against the things hsword isnt as good at

but with bloodletter chainsword can also be used against monstrosities

[cerulean cave]

is evis still shit?

[dreamy fjord]

is lightning any good? it feels like Assail is so much better and fun

[runic hornet]

evis is fine, but the problem is it's NOT the chainsword which is busted

[kindred chasm]

it's pretty solid now actually

but chainsword does everything it does better arguably

[pallid glacier]

I realize this isn’t that great of a strat but I’ve been doing Invis and backstab with hsword and when I go Invis it’s INSANE how much damage it does to bosses

[cerulean cave]

depends on what you want. Sniping, or CC

[wet belfry]

Im pretty sure devils claw right now beats out the heavy sword that was before this patch in horde clear.

[pallid glacier]

Yeah

Devils claw

Just has a perfect moveset

[runic hornet]

lightning can do things like fully stop an elite patrol, with empowered psionics it doesn't cost perils (which is apparently a bug) meaning you can literally perma-freeze a crusher patrol

[wet belfry]

But im unsure about current heavy sword in this patch.

[dreamy fjord]

I mean, Assail also staggers quite well

[runic hornet]

assail cannot clutch a crusher patrol the way smite can

but on the other hand assails absolutely eviscerate shooters

[cerulean cave]

you should try smite and you'll know what I mean

[dreamy fjord]

for Crushers I got Voidstrike Staff

[cerulean cave]

stopping mutants mid charge

[runic hornet]

so i'd say they're about equal in terms of "rescues the team from a crisis"

[cerulean cave]

stunlocking a crusher patrol

all of them

[runic hornet]

I think the two are about equal, you combine them with ranged weapons that are good at doing what the blitz is bad at

assails are just notable in that they become your primary weapon and your staff is support

rather than the other way around

[radiant lance]

Realisticially you can only do that with the peril bug. Otherwise you can do it for like 5 seconds or so then you have to quell.

[runic hornet]

good thing there's a quellspeed node and a recovery animation, you have maybe ~1.0 seconds of downtime realistically

[cerulean cave]

yea but the time between stun and quelling, at least for me, doesnt allow them an attack, Maybe their small kick, but thats it

[runic hornet]

crusher windup attack takes longer

they can maybe sneak in the swipe and that's it

and if your team gets hit by those in bteween they deserve it

[radiant lance]

Feels a lot more than 1 second downtime for me but if it's working for you

[cerulean cave]

also keep in mind that you can just tap left click with smite

[runic hornet]

I mean in terms of actual "danger time"

[cerulean cave]

for an almost instant shock

compared to the wind up of charging it

[runic hornet]

it takes maybe ~2 seconds to quell, but enemies have a flinch animation when you stop channeling the smite

yeah

when you drop the smite they do a big flinch and that partially covers your quell time

[cerulean cave]

without paying attention to it, I roughly got to 60, quelling after a full charge, to stun again.

[radiant lance]

I honestly can't tell the difference between charging it and left-clicking, can you tell?

[cerulean cave]

didn't give em time for an attack

[cerulean cave]

are you...holding left click after charging?

[runic hornet]

charge does more damage doesn't it

[cerulean cave]

then you'll see the difference

[runic hornet]

at the cost of preloaded perils

[untold vault]

So many auric maelstrom psykers using assail and blowing themselves up

[radiant lance]

Of course

[untold vault]

Pretty much every single one of em

[cerulean cave]

asking cause it took me a moment that I could hold it. Thought it worked like the old Surge

[kindred chasm]

its a rite of passage it seems

[cerulean cave]

try spamming LMB

[radiant lance]

Oh, the right click makes it spread the lightning?

[lethal folio]

Leftclick is just worse than rightclick smite

[cerulean cave]

rapid fire stuns

[cerulean cave]

mhm

the more you hold, the more it spreads

[radiant lance]

Yeah, I've been right clicking this whole timen don't worry

[naive imp]

i think smite sucks...

lol

just used it

[kindred chasm]

it's so good what lol

[naive imp]

going with asail till later on

[untold vault]

Also it's unreal how much harder the mission is when they dont take the shield and we cant even turn around the corner to shoot

[kindred chasm]

you can trivialize any melee encounter at any time

[radiant lance]

I mean I think it's not great

[untold vault]

You could be using assail instead of taking 20 seconds to kill em

[cerulean cave]

yea it's like old surge. But better.

[radiant lance]

I also hated old Surge lol

[kindred chasm]

it's not supposed to killt hem

[cerulean cave]

when people don't get the value of CC compared to Damage output...

sighs

[kindred chasm]

smite is to hold any amount of enemies in place so they aren't actively killing your entire team, the team can kill them while they're stunlocked

[naive imp]

i feel like i'm zapping stuff and my team isn't killing them

lol

[runic hornet]

the difference is when you're up against things assail doesn't instantly kill

which are plenty

[silver sphinx]

Why CC when you can just kill?

[runic hornet]

maulers, crushers, bulwarks, any elite pull

[untold vault]

That's when you have a wall lmao

[cerulean cave]

then zap and go into melee lol

[kindred chasm]

that's not smite's problem though is it, that's your team's problem

[runic hornet]

smite holds them AND inevitably kills them

with empowered smite not costing perils (???)

[untold vault]

The CC is just delaying things when you could be killing them faster

That's the problem

[cerulean cave]

what difficulty do you play?

curious

[untold vault]

Auric Maelstrom

[naive imp]

i'm not that far down the tree. i'm just talking early game

asail is better early

[runic hornet]

oh early just try everything vOv

[silver sphinx]

Still not getting the empowered smite to work for me on damnation.

[kindred chasm]

"delaying things" is a weird way to say "guaranteeing the mixed horde of 4 crushers and 3 maulers doesn't have their way with you"

[runic hornet]

I have no context for the not-level-30 experience

[untold vault]

Crushers are not a problem

Why do people think they are

Especially when you have a wall

[ornate sedge]

the way the warp rider perk is worded sounds like it makes you take more damage, i assume it makes you do more damage

[untold vault]

Maulers are also extremely squishy

[runic hornet]

tell that to every pub who dies to overheads
and also there are just some really bad rooms that if you get 8 crushers in them and a horde behind it can be very dicey

[cerulean cave]

yea not even gonna try anymore lmao

[runic hornet]

or when your team doesn't realize there's a drop-spawn

[willow escarp]

trauma staff does work there

[runic hornet]

and then 8 crushers drop down

[untold vault]

Press your wall ability

[ornate sedge]

can anyone verify?

[runic hornet]

assails feel pretty lame then

[untold vault]

Please

[still hearth]

Crushers are a real problem

[runic hornet]

wall

You do realize wall doesn't... stop elites, right

it's what 10%

[still hearth]

Just wall

[untold vault]

It does

[still hearth]

Easy

Just press wall

Win game

[willow escarp]

10% for trash innit?

[still hearth]

10% for non-specials

[runic hornet]

i thought it was 10% except against specialists (NOT elites)

if it also works on elites 100% then that's tooltip fuckery

[radiant lance]

It stops specialists. Are Crushers specialists?

[runic hornet]

fatsharrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk

[still hearth]

Nothing new

[untold vault]

It even breaks their ai if you put it next to a wall

[still hearth]

Fatshark tooltips lmao

[untold vault]

They'll get infinitely staggered

[still hearth]

Zealots get +5% on melee

[kindred chasm]

cool so no one can ever use anything else, you have to use wall and only wall, that's why smite is useless?

[still hearth]

Just you know

+5%

[kindred chasm]

this doesn't even make sense

congrats you found out some redundancies exist in this game

[runic hornet]

wall is pretty based ngl

[still hearth]

Smite is useless because people should be building to win games not to lose games

So its actually OP in pubs

Because no one builds to kill the scary things

[runic hornet]

by that logic wall is worthless becuase everything should already be dead right

[kindred chasm]

i like dome

[still hearth]

Yeah

[runic hornet]

you should already kill shooters so why take wall

[still hearth]

Just run 4 Voidstrikes

And Assail

[runic hornet]

y'know that's fair, 4 voidstrike assail psykers sounds like a pretty fun time

[untold vault]

Yeah this

Everything is dead before they can even be a problem

[ornate hamlet]

But.. my surge staff 😦

[naive imp]

left click to send shard...hold right to aim it around?

asail does so much damage. holy shit

[runic hornet]

wait until you get empowered assails

[spice veldt]

you aim with both the LMB and rmb

[spice oar]

yeah will probably be nerfed next patch so enjoy while it lasts

[still hearth]

It just goes for the cursor position

The RMB is a single shot that does more damage

[spice veldt]

if your cursor is over an enemy and the shard is near the enemy, it'll go for them

[still hearth]

Empowered Assails are overrated

[spice veldt]

you can reliably hit 3 targets, provided that they aren't carapace

[runic hornet]

I agree, I think the opportunity cost is too high for empowered assails since they're already stupid strong

I'm just saying

[still hearth]

Yeah

[runic hornet]

the empowered assail is... y'know, obviously even stronger while using it

[still hearth]

I ran it with Warp Charges and

It's basically the same thing??

[untold vault]

I wonder if cleave weapons are worth taking for assail

[runic hornet]

Okay, I'm trying to build scier's gaze for fun

with assails, but what should I take as staff then

not sure if I should lean into the weakpoint damage or not

[kindred chasm]

brain says surge for keeping the ability to easily kill carapace

[spice oar]

autogun

or revolver

[runic hornet]

like this gives crit damage which might be the only thing I care about, the waeakspot is fine for melee

[kindred chasm]

heart says voidstrike because O R B

[spice oar]

or laspistol

[runic hornet]

but should I also take a ranged that benefits from weakspot

or just take trauma/surge

[untold vault]

Man-Stopper + Rending on ranged weapon would be top tier for assail

[runic hornet]

for long range+carapace

hmmmmm

[spice oar]

youll probably blow up bear that in mind

[runic hornet]

revolver...?

[untold vault]

Just gotta find a weapon that has both

[radiant lance]

I don't see why these things would specifically be good with Assails

[runic hornet]

for meme headshots

[untold vault]

Revolver is good

[spice veldt]

headhunter autoguns have Deadly Accurate

[spice oar]

cause he is going for scriers gaze, a staff will kill em

[runic hornet]

oh right

[spice veldt]

and revolver has Hand Cannon

[kindred chasm]

so is transfer peril actually worth using on voidstrike or that mostly just a meme

[spice oar]

yeah shit slaps

[radiant lance]

Oh yeah I was wondering if that interaction is even intentional

[untold vault]

It's been in the game since the beta I think

[kindred chasm]

people always just recommend warp nexus+flurry on voidstrike

[spice oar]

you can reliably hit a row of weak points and refund your cost

[untold vault]

Blessings and perks working on abilities

[still hearth]

It's still decent but it's not required

[spice oar]

cause thats the "meta"

[still hearth]

You can quell without losing warp Flurry

[runic hornet]

aim slightly higher than the enemy head to get tons of headshots

[radiant lance]

Do blessings from melee also apply to abilities?

[boreal tartan]

i just shoot crystals and win on the hardest difficulty, what is this update💀

[untold vault]

Im not sure but I think so

[runic hornet]

wait, WHAT

hold on

are you saying

I can throw assails

[untold vault]

Currently Man stopper ranged weapons apply to melee weapons for some god unknown reason

[runic hornet]

swap to revolver

and get rending assails

[radiant lance]

It's nice imo

[spice veldt]

ye

[radiant lance]

You can spam a lot with it

[spice veldt]

not deranged at all

[runic hornet]

[untold vault]

It's only the weapon you have "out"

So either melee or ranged

[kindred chasm]

this is what i have right now, in a perfect world what would i want here instead

[radiant lance]

So I need to switch to revolver then to assail to make it work?

[spice oar]

yk you might actually be able to keep gaze up with a voidstrike that has transfer peril

[untold vault]

Yes

Have your revolver out

[spice oar]

which might actually be viable

[untold vault]

Press grenade button

[still hearth]

No you won't

[untold vault]

Enjoy assail with rending

[still hearth]

[radiant lance]

On crits tho

[spice oar]

have you tried gang or are thou a coward

[radiant lance]

But yeah it's good

[runic hornet]

Wait, so I don't even need to swap back to revolver

[untold vault]

No

[runic hornet]

it's just have revolver, then go assails

[untold vault]

You can stay in assail the entire game

[still hearth]

You can have guaranteed assail crits

[spice oar]

because i shall, for i do not care, therefore i am immortal

[radiant lance]

wat. How?

[still hearth]

Bottom right nodes

[untold vault]

5 weakspots -> guaranteed crit

Build more crits

Put crit perk on your revovler

[radiant lance]

Assails don't consume the guaranteed crit?

[untold vault]

It does

But it guarantees more crits

[primal radish]

Assail weak spots count toward the 5 weak spots right?

[still hearth]

Every other assail is a crit

[radiant lance]

Handcannon yeah?

[untold vault]

Yeah

[true lake]

which dueling sword is the one everyone been maining lately?

[untold vault]

Handcannon for blessing and crit perk

[true lake]

was it mk iv?

[primal radish]

I'm gonna min/max the shit out of an assail build before theynerf it

[radiant lance]

What would be the other blessing?

[spice veldt]

I run it since it has the best single-target

[radiant lance]

Mk IV for me

[untold vault]

Im not sure actually

[primal radish]

I played Auric High shock with only assail, no melee and no ranged weapon

[true lake]

alright, just trying to figure out which one because iw anted to give it a try

[indigo thunder]

What's the good monsters killer build?

[primal radish]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1942290342?t=00h39m54s

Top damage with literally only assail, no other weapon

No melee, no gun/staff lol

[boreal tartan]

assail is all you need

[true lake]

i assume main stats you would want on your dueling sword would be damage, finesse, and penetration?

[untold vault]

Crucian roulette sadly doesnt work on Assail I think

The passive just drops

[prisma condor]

I like new psyker build

https://tenor.com/view/yondu-guardians-of-the-galaxy-marvel-gif-9572701

[spice veldt]

and cleave damage, which is a poorly-named stat that modifies your armour damage modifiers against unarmored, flak, and infested

[radiant lance]

What should I swap on this baby?

Point Blank is cool in theory but kinda weird.

[true lake]

ah, i assumed cleave would go towards cleaving through enemies like the name suggests lol

[spice veldt]

though it doesn't matter as much with uncanny

[untold vault]

That's actually pretty good

[true lake]

any blessings you suggest?

[radiant lance]

Shouldn't I swap Unyielding to Flak?

Btw do you even use the Revolver itself?

[untold vault]

Do you want to use your revolver?

I do

If not you can leave it as is

[true lake]

revolver i would mainly use on things that charge at me or snipers

or maybe some specials like bombers

before they wipe my team

[radiant lance]

Yeah

[boreal tartan]

just take their head with assail

[untold vault]

Then probably unarmored or flak to oneshot certain enemimes

[runic hornet]

how does pointblank work

[untold vault]

For the other blessing take crucian roulette

[runic hornet]

like, my melee weapon... is not hte one with the perk

[full kestrel]

new psyker is pretty good... and new scab maelstroms are insane (350 elites)

[true lake]

kill enemy with melee get high crit chance on your revolver

[runic hornet]

okay so it looks at my actual sword, then

[untold vault]

Yeah

[true lake]

so you can cut through horde a little bit then just crit the hell out of the bomber running up across the room or something

or maybe the flamer that is trying to sneak up

[kindred chasm]

unyielding to flak, point blank to surigcal imo (to force crits to proc hand cannon)(imo)

[radiant lance]

This is if I do want to use my Revolver?

[untold vault]

Yes

[naive imp]

what blitz?

[kindred chasm]

extra nades

[full kestrel]

assail

[knotty sage]

Did a GM/CM confirm unlimited Smite with Empowered Psionics is a bug or intended?

[true lake]

assail is pretty powerful but i dont think it needs a huge nerf lol

[untold vault]

Tbh without psyker, the new veteran, maelstrom is much harder

[true lake]

given its peril gen

[untold vault]

The amount of shotgunner squads that spawn out of thin air

And other shooters in general

[true lake]

pretty sure smite with empowered psionics infinite thing is a bug, i dont think they intended for you to literally constantly fire smite and crab walk through an entire map

[lapis bay]

bruh #ogryn-class message

[true lake]

because you also get empowered psionics stacks with kills you get with smite

so you can just immediately do it again for the next horde

[spiral lion]

why i starting to smell nerf...

[radiant lance]

That's an interesting idea

[full kestrel]

assail is a valid thing to use as your only weapon but youre gonna have downtime

itll probably get nerfed a bit tho

[untold vault]

I fix that by just using my revovler

[full kestrel]

storing 10x 5-600 dmg projectiles is crazy

[untold vault]

And sometimes you just have to melee

[full kestrel]

I think theres a solid place for all things in a psykers kit

melee, a staff, and assail

I find myself commonly using all 3 quite a bit

[untold vault]

Assail regens very fast

[true lake]

assail is powerful yes but it has an ammo system and generates a huge amount of peril

so you wont be using it constantly at all

[untold vault]

Meanwhile zealot knifes only gain charges when he kills specials

[true lake]

you will at the very least have to constantly quell every so often

[kindred chasm]

ya but also you get em from ammo crates

[golden frigate]

isn't there a workaround for peril gen (hold R before starting the spam)?

[untold vault]

Quelling isnt even a problem tbh

[true lake]

i dont use the workaround tbh

[full kestrel]

quelling is not a problem but you definitely can't just ignore it

[true lake]

i dont like using actual exploits like that

[kindred chasm]

i gotta make an assail build

[radiant lance]

Wouldn't this shit also work on Assail. Sounds really good as well.

[kindred chasm]

i wanna be yondu

[untold vault]

especially when you can take peril quell chance on kill + coherency

And 30% quell increase speed

[true lake]

damn what weapon has that blessing

never seen that one before

[untold vault]

I feel like I already have a lot of toughness regen on psyker

[full kestrel]

not taking every peril talent you can is a mistake

[lapis bay]

snubnose revolver has it too

[full kestrel]

with how many you can have it stacks so high that its insanely useful

[untold vault]

Especially since psykers start with <100 toughness

[lapis bay]

Whip it out in a crowd and shoot the shooters, ez regen

[burnt tapir]

I generate so much toughness on my psyker, but it still breaks in 2 hits lol

[untold vault]

Yeah because you have very little toughness

[true lake]

toughness regen helps a lot considering you can still take health damage through it if you arent at 100% toughness

[untold vault]

You can take toughness dmg reduction nodes but I think it's not worth it

[lapis bay]

If you stack all toughness you get something insane like 175, plus all the regen means you'll only die if you stand in fire

[true lake]

so the longer it stays up the better

[full kestrel]

it does but also its literally a case of just dont get hit

I take toughness on kill but

[true lake]

easier said than done with some scenarios lol

[full kestrel]

you cant rely on it at all

you're telling me lol :p

its a good thing to have but if you take toughness regen and expect to be a tank, you'll be dead

in the previous patch you could stand in the middle of a horde with flame staff and be fine but its trickier now with elites spawning n stuff

[true lake]

yeah a lot more elites

[full kestrel]

elites used to not spawn which made certain missions trivial

[hasty skiff]

disrupt destiny feels super inconsistent and just really bad

is there anything im missing to its conditions?

[burnt tapir]

From my tree alone I have +20% toughness DR, +45 toughness

[autumn smelt]

gotta love how enemies can still hit you when eaten by a beast
i just went from full with no corruption to completely dead and i couldnt do anything about it

[burnt tapir]

Then another +30% from curios

[flint pawn]

I can't play Psyker without Chainsword anymore

[radiant lance]

Perhaps it's just me but when I'm not taking a Staff with me I feel like I'm contributing a lot less to the team than I would have.

[full kestrel]

you could not get close to the beast in the first place

[radiant lance]

I'm not enjoying it much either tbh.

[full kestrel]

if you approach it from the front it'll eat you

[autumn smelt]

it was a last man standing situation with a beast, a chaos spawn, and a horde

[olive ember]

Nah i think it’s kinda meh as well, maybe it’s good with gun psyker cuz that’s point and click? But besides that idk

[full kestrel]

then you were dead anyways so it's fine :p

[hasty skiff]

gun psyker is just boring though why would i use gun when i have spacemagic

[full kestrel]

^

[olive ember]

Eh some people like gun wizard

[autumn smelt]

not entirely, there was 1 other person alive, and i was trying to kite everything away from him so he could deal with his stuff then start taking out some of my stuff

but i kinda meant i was avoiding all that stuff alone

[full kestrel]

ive survived similar, today in fact, but certain enemies are just not supposed to be taken on alone

beast of nurgle and chaos spawn are two

[autumn smelt]

it was a really bad spot of the map for everything to spawn so being split was literally going to happen

but like

still

how can enemies hit you when theres 3 feet of flesh between you and them

[fresh panther]

What are optimal perks for duelling sword?

• blessings

[full kestrel]

oh im not saying it isnt bullshit I just think its probably intended bullshit

[narrow crane]

How does Transfer Peril work on Trauma Staff? How does hitting weak spots work with it?

[full kestrel]

left click

[flint pawn]

With the new dome shield it's actually pretty easy to solo a Beast of Nurgle as Psyker now, at least if there isn't other stuff harassing you at the same time

[orchid nest]

with left click. or with assail if you swap to it quickly which is pretty funny

[narrow crane]

so hitting weak spots isn't happening with the charge?

[full kestrel]

shrug, vet with krak grenades, ogryn with flame, etc
on psyker you'd need to have nothing else on the field and something that does big single target damage, or nothing on the field for 5 minutes

[flint pawn]

Chaos Spawn is.. not

[full kestrel]

its easier to not take damage from a chaos spawn on psyker than it is a beast

[untold vault]

You can kite chaos spawn for days on psyker since force swords have infinite dodges

Especially since they made it even easier this patch

[full kestrel]

and also peril block

[orchid nest]

you can also just block them with normal weapons and peril block and vent inbetween animations

[full kestrel]

^

[naive imp]

asail is...insane

[flint pawn]

The downside of using Chainsword, Chaos Spawn gives me problems when it's upset with me

[naive imp]

at least early game

if you're not using asail you're missing out

[untold vault]

Yeah I saw a zealot sawing the chaos spawn when he was aggrod

Not a good decision

[flint pawn]

Beast of Nurgle and Plague Ogryn are super easy to solo Chainsword though

[untold vault]

yeah

[naive imp]

i just am going through missions with assail and my melee weapon

[warped kernel]

so rampage on dueling sword mk. V is a no no i imagine correct? not sure if i can really hit 3 enemies at once with it

[naive imp]

no need for staff or gun

[full kestrel]

saw a zealot with stealth hammer earlier today, 2 shotting daemonhosts

[flint pawn]

I run Surge with Assail just because why not

[olive ember]

voidstrike is stronker

for now

[full kestrel]

disagree

[golden frigate]

I think you can oneshot a BoN with stealth hammer

[indigo portal]

Running Scrier's Gaze w/ Assail and using a Chainsword for damage output at 100% is fun.

[full kestrel]

Surge has higher DPS, and it can stun things

[olive ember]

what?

[full kestrel]

with a crit build maybe

[olive ember]

voidstrike literally one shots crushers

[flint pawn]

I prefer Surge for maximum autoaim

[full kestrel]

but then you can't build properly

[olive ember]

surge takes 4

[full kestrel]

if it crits and you have double hit blessing maybe it one shots

[naive imp]

am i crazy in that...if you're using a staff you should probably not build around using warp skills?

[full kestrel]

otherwise youre not one shotting anything

[olive ember]

if it doesn't crit it still two taps

[whole oxide]

you can with the push-attack, nothing else

[indigo portal]

Voidstrike does ~800-900 on a fully charged shot against Crushers.

[olive ember]

and you can actually build for crit with voidstrike

[full kestrel]

right

but then you cant build warp charges

[orchid nest]

surge vs voidstrike main problem isn't even so much the staff itself right now but the amount of synergy gained from the tree

[full kestrel]

and have infinite domes

[olive ember]

bruh

mfw infinite domes

[fluid knot]

Surge/Smite goes so hard, pressure taken off the team is immense, absolute S+

[olive ember]

I mean I run it with infinite domes and It's still better imo

[full kestrel]

also, reallistically, it three shots

[olive ember]

it does similar damage to surge if you don't crit

[full kestrel]

at least my voidstrike three shots crushers not two shot

[olive ember]

and when you crit which is like 30% of the time

by default with nexus

you get funny oneshots

[full kestrel]

if youre making use of nexus you cant switch to assail

[indigo portal]

Was running that earlier. Smite's CC value is immense and Surge has some pretty solid range to get rid of elites.

[olive ember]

what?

yes you can

[full kestrel]

assail requires you to be at low peril

or youll burn yourself up

[fluid knot]

And the damage is good on Surge too, actually super fun to play even if you're not doing all the killing

[olive ember]

uhh

[fluid knot]

Battlefield controller

[olive ember]

im ngl I use assail fine with high peril

[indigo portal]

Assail is 10% peril gen per use.

[olive ember]

like how I use any other staff at high peril or how I would use BB

[orchid nest]

I find assail pretty easy to manage peril wise considering it can do damage while you are venting

[full kestrel]

you mean, to quell?

why switch to assail then