psyker-class

[nocturne nimbus]

I absolutely feel like this when playing with an assail psyker

[glad sandal]

cd or reload cd ?

[spice veldt]

and since generalist builds can cover any situation, they usually have lower strength on average to balance it out

[fluid knot]

Vet was like that for the last ten months when played correctly.. even Ogg to a certain extent could do most things solo without team input and the higher DPS output

[fresh reef]

I don't because half the one's I've played with blow up at least 3 times a match

[sterile saddle]

Assail is clearly a present from ThiccShark for the many moons of people RUNNING THROUGH HORDES of enemies to kill the ONE mob with the glowing head

[fluid knot]

This patch levels the playing field for all classes pretty well

[sterile saddle]

Now it's our turn

[glad sandal]

tbh I might not be the best player ever but even in auric maelstro whatever the name is, I just make specialists trivial

[spice veldt]

so vet being broken as hell for a while justifies other things being broken?

[heady garnet]

just did my first difficulty 5

as a maelstrom

what a shitfest

[spice veldt]

I do not get it

whatever

[fluid knot]

Zealot is no longer being left out to dry, Psyker now has options that dont get fucked the second a Vet decides hes only gonna shoot blue glowing heads this game, yeah, its better all round

[sterile saddle]

So tired of greasy vets stealing my BB kills when there are other threats

[fluid knot]

Which ofc, they would do habitually because "muh ult bro"

[glad sandal]

dunno, i might leave psyker alone for a while until they patch things up

[sick light]

Veteran sees blue spot, veteran shoots it.

"Simple is the life of the beast."

[glad sandal]

but now I'm kinda afraid I have to play WITH psykers

and be just a witness to their fuckery

[heady sapphire]

I haven't played the game in months and only picked it back up to test out the new class update lol it'll go back on the shelf as it progresses along the typical FatShark timeline to be a completely finished game

[winter otter]

Psykers are not that awful to play with.

[sick light]

Tbf Assail is looking fucking ridiculous indeed but I feel really drawn to the sphere shield, it looks so good against that wall of gunners and shit. Then again I've been just toying in the meat grinder so far

[glad sandal]

I feel like if I have to play with an assail psyker, I might as well just throw my weapons in a pit and cheer for him or her

[sinful bramble]

Assail probably is the Psyker's new best blitz by a decent margin

[winter otter]

Then you’re not playing on a high enough difficulty.

[glad sandal]

I mean I was out psykered by a clearly better psyker and I only was useful against huge waves of ennemies

otherwise his assail would gladly rob me of my sense of purpose

[sinful bramble]

But yeah on damnation/aurics assail can only do so much

[glad sandal]

how about auric maelstrom whatever difficulty ?

[sinful bramble]

Granted "it's not as broken on the hardest possible missions" isn't much consolation lol

[fluid knot]

Its a force multiplier for sure, but its not the be-all end all like people are making it out to be

[glad sandal]

I mean i tried out zealots for a game or two

got two psykers with assails

spent the game chasing the corpses of the specialists they fucked up

[fluid knot]

Hot take; you should balance games for the hardest difficulty.

[heady sapphire]

Crazy how many people are saying assail is busted OP cause personally I feel like smite is more OP and useful for the team as well

[glad sandal]

yeah but it's a bore

[sinful bramble]

Smite is insane if you have good target prio and just talk to your team mates

You can lock down entire specialist and elite mobs with ease

[forest meadow]

Smite is insanely OP and will defo get nerfed

[fluid knot]

The infinite use bug will get nerfed

[sinful bramble]

Brain rupture is one of the psyker's blitz abilities

That is for certain

It's one of 'em

[glad sandal]

yes

does it headshot ogryns ?

I think it does

can't recall only tried it once or twice so far

[forest meadow]

Well it isn't a bug, if you read Empowered Psionics its working as intended

Just they didn't think about how it plays out

[sterile saddle]

It takes 2

[fluid knot]

Its definitely a bug

[sterile saddle]

For BB

[marsh kayak]

whats the diff between the mk 4 and 5 duel sword

[sinful bramble]

I gotta use Empowered Psionics more because it's probably the strongest keystone Psyker has right now

[mellow pendant]

empowered smite is not supposed to have a peril reuction, just more damage and spread speed

[glad sandal]

first for hordes, second for specials I think

[sterile saddle]

Mark works well if u can manage stacks

It also reveals pesky shioters behind cover often enuff

[sinful bramble]

I love the mark but it's kinda hard to kill the marked enemies before my allies do

Granted assail can just get to them first

[sick light]

Smite is powerful if your team performs well, because you'll be stunlocking entire waves of mobs and they'll just turn them into paste willy nilly without a care in the world. If your team is basically you and 3 glorified servitors then the struggle starts.

But then again, "my team is ass" makes pretty much anything harder in a co-op game

[sinful bramble]

My angry little mind rocks

[sterile saddle]

Yeah it'd be nice if they adjusted stacks like warp charges with gradual decay

[safe crystal]

Mk4 has stab heavies which are very good against most elites and specialists. Mk5 heavy can hit the mutant in the head from their back after they've missed their charge. Both have below average horde clear

[sinful bramble]

I don't think the destiny stacks last very long anyway?

[sterile saddle]

15-30 seconds

[safe crystal]

Mk5 also has longer dodge distance and lower block cost than other DS

[sterile saddle]

Depending on skill

Mark does 15 stacks for 30 or 30 stacks for 15

[sinful bramble]

I'mma prolly stick with empowered psionics until the hotfixes change it

[sterile saddle]

But its.most useful trait is highlighting enemies

[sinful bramble]

Or they do a shadowpatch and fix stuff without telling anyone

[tough stump]

how do i push with this weapon brah

[sick light]

Also, what about the auras? Outside of crit chance for assail yall would go for the extra dmg or cdr?

[sinful bramble]

Hold block, then click the attack at the same time

Don't release your block

[sterile saddle]

What he said

[tough stump]

doesn't work

[lunar gyro]

It wants you to do the followup push

so hold the attack too

[sinful bramble]

Yeah either hold or mash attack

[tough stump]

ic

[sinful bramble]

It's kinda weird but not hard to get used to

[final bay]

What all are people running with Assail, anyway? So far my brief testings have it not feeling particularly fun for me, but undecided if it's what I'm doing with it or if it's just not to my taste.

[sinful bramble]

I've gone mostly with everything on the right path and that feels pretty good with it imo

Granted if you're like me and keep exploding by accident then venting shriek isn't bad either

[fluid knot]

Using it with Warp Charges so i can get more peril resist for Scriers myself

[sick light]

Because its really strong, but honestly if you play w what you enjoy you'll have more fun

[sinful bramble]

I'm still getting used to the new peril stuff without having shriek

[upper galleon]

imo warp charges are better unless you are running pure focus on assail

[naive imp]

is psyker a mage-like character and can i shoot energy blasts or whatever even on the hardest difficulties? i've been reading stuff about it being a support class

[upper galleon]

only 1/3rd the tree is support

[glad sandal]

yes and depends now I think

[sinful bramble]

With staves you can still nuke things on max difficulty

[glad sandal]

depends on the staves

[upper galleon]

you can go into guns, or you can go into assail and spam magic

[teal needle]

Forgot my work laptop RIP

[harsh urchin]

despite this psykers still suck against boss LOL

[sinful bramble]

Trauma staff bullies everything in the game sans monstrosities

Yeah monstrosities are harder than ever for psykers to kill right now I think

At least thus far I can basically do nothing against them beyond tickling them with my mind

[glad sandal]

true

that's what the ogryn is for

[naive imp]

can i shoot energy/magic/psionic energy effectively as a damage dealer? or is psyker more suport? i haven't played yet

[sinful bramble]

Yes you can be an effective "caster" if you prefer

[viral solstice]

One sec I have the answer to this problem (one weird trick)

[sterile saddle]

Oh good so I'm not the only one struggling to fight bosses?

[tough stump]

what is commisionar

[sterile saddle]

Thought I was getting worse

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1x24y50K-9e0am/d1337db3Suxi?invite=cr-MSxXcjYsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[tough stump]

about clothing n shit

[viral solstice]

[tough stump]

where do i find him

[silent chasm]

Hey do the penances that require kills with Brain Burst only allow BB, or can I use other ones since there's the other ones now

[sinful bramble]

The psyker's "blitz" or mind abilities are all good

[glad sandal]

depends on the staves. Some can shot flames in a cone, some can shoot blasts of energy and others can make a zone implode

[sinful bramble]

Surge staff is actually useful for damage, now

[harsh urchin]

can u show this video with a chao spawn that's moving

xd

[sterile saddle]

Pretty sure u need BB

[sinful bramble]

Since they just made the super stagger thing a blitz

[glad sandal]

and now you can chose to be literal palpatine or have shiny homing mind missiles

[safe crystal]

Damn, if only we had a way to stunlock a boss until it dies of old age if the team cant handle them. Voidstrike stunlocks cspawn and plogryn out of its attacks

[silent chasm]

fuque

aight

[naive imp]

lightning. lightning is good.

[sinful bramble]

Does voidstrike stagger monstrosities?

[viral solstice]

of course

i'll do plog though because spawn defenisve actions require melee anyway

[glad sandal]

voidstrike won't be like that for long

tho

[viral solstice]

and its just a question of how much u shoot it on the run up

[proud hinge]

staggers beast of nurgle if you hit it on the back, idk about the others

[sterile saddle]

U can stagger it but it don't stunlock

[dry oar]

Am I just bad or are warp charges needlessly difficult to upkeep now? Seeing as boosted BB doesn't one tap tankier specials, literally any other class decent at killing specials will normally kill my targets before I can get the second burst off. The way I see it, assail is a better choice for just about any psyker build.

[harsh urchin]

anyways which gun is that and how are you stacking the dmg so high?

[jaunty schooner]

Which gun is that?

[sinful bramble]

Looks like a vraks?

[viral solstice]

its a vraks 3 with headhunter and deadly accurate

vraks 3 has massive finesse rn

[jaunty schooner]

Thanks

[viral solstice]

destiny disrupted 30s version gives a finesse bonus

[sterile saddle]

No, imbad. This is an issue tho, BB is still good but it's more conditional. It also bosses reliably

[safe crystal]

The start of the video is rough, my PC wanted to kill itself. I dropped the staggerlock because i was testing the minimum charge required to stagger cspawn here

[sinful bramble]

Ahh

Still good to know I could potentially dunk on the monstrosity that gives me the most grief

[digital pagoda]

What does finesse bonus do on ranged? Extra headshot damage?

[dry oar]

Thanks.

[sinful bramble]

I don't like chaos spawns :(

[safe crystal]

Roughly at 3/4 charge it staggers. Could also be surge proccing that causes the stagger, havent tried in psykhanium yet. Busy with studies

[viral solstice]

weakspot and crit

[sick light]

Hated them in VT2, hate them here as well

[tawdry drum]

Darktide decided I shouldn't have fun today and spawned like 3 back to back on maelstrom

[teal needle]

They feel a little bit nerfed

Less magnet hands

[calm lotus]

they did get nerfed

is in patch notes

[dry oar]

No boss can stand up to the power hammer 🤓

[warm flint]

can anyone confirm that the smite modifier to add an axtra bounce to smite also adds to the surge staff?

i think it is

i am tagging 3 mobs instead of 2

[teal needle]

I want to run empower but the flat damage from warp stacks too hard to pass up

[dry oar]

Warp stacks compliment any warp weapon with boosted dmg and optional peril resist

I don't think empower is worth unless you are running assail

[warm flint]

doesn't matter what staff

[teal needle]

Warp charges are just 2 gud

[broken quail]

hmmmm superiority might be good if it decays one at a time

[dry oar]

Trauma with chained secondary charge speed and peril resist, its scary

Too bad BB is useless now

[gray island]

Anyone have preferences on Heavy Laz Pistol blessings?

[compact cargo]

Have you tried the part of the tree that buffs it?

[whole oxide]

i wouldn't say BB is useless, its still better than assail for sniping things hiding at distance

[viral solstice]

Brexit internet is slowing my upload but plonglebongle is on its way

[teal needle]

Bb would be okay w empower but why run empire

[compact cargo]

You can sacrifice cool for almost old bb

[viral solstice]

I would mostly be meleeing a spawn and BoN is very much a shoot the boil type deal. it works but not really ideal solo

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1x29RbMRM8ctmA/d1337NMHd3ls?invite=cr-MSw0MGUsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

There you go

[compact cargo]

Tiny as usual with the facts

Love you brother

[viral solstice]

xoxo

[jaunty schooner]

Plonglebongle

[harsh urchin]

wow

[viral solstice]

or as his mother calls him... gary

[dry oar]

Empower is way too inconsistent, either the specials get melted before you BB or it doesn't one shot and you miss out. Even the 12.5% buff seems to take forever to build up stacks.

[harsh urchin]

finesse is

disgusting

lololol

[viral solstice]

that block on the uppercut is purely a psykhanium thing

on live you can dodge it

it's just weirdly hard on local

[whole oxide]

that pogryn twirl at the end

[dry oar]

It takes a moment to flank and get an angle, or just use trauma and look at an angle to stagger them and buy yourself time to flank.

[limpid lily]

man, I gotta say, assail is quite sth xD. I had a game today with 3 psykers with assail, they killed everything be4 I could even lay my eyes on an enemy . THis some waystalker type deal right here, times 3

questionable experience

[harsh urchin]

raise the difficulty

[limpid lily]

Damnation bruh

[harsh urchin]

of your game

[dry oar]

Played zealot and not a single special stood against ONE assail psyker

[limpid lily]

Damnation High Intensity shock troop

[harsh urchin]

do some aurics

[dry oar]

And a boss didn't show up so i feel totally useless lmao

[whole oxide]

I'm talking about situations where enemy is only visible for 1/10th of a second, if you jump, on the far side of Throneside bridge

[harsh urchin]

because the instant a boss shows up

those 3 goobers will feel good

[whole oxide]

in that situation, you can grab them with BB and secure kill, Assail won't manage it

[dry oar]

Thats.... extremely situational. At that point just use assail targeted fire.

[limpid lily]

well sure, but that's rather specific situation ngl

cant say I should base the game on some monster encounters or sth like that

[whole oxide]

assail targeted fire won't hold it, and most important things Assail won't 1-shot

[viral solstice]

[tough stump]

i love there intro for character now

[viral solstice]

what we callin important

[tough stump]

more lively

[dry oar]

Idk man. Charging up a bb for one enemy behind cover just seems like a waste of a blitz ability.

Meanwhile assail melts everything lol

[limpid lily]

Assail right now feels like it's zealot throwing knives, but seemingly infinite ammo xD, they should at least give it peril build up or sth...does it even build peril?

[hallow needle]

finally got the witchshroud helmet :D

[limpid lily]

and HOMING

[hallow needle]

it does build up peril

[calm pewter]

Does the dome barrier stagger enemies when you cast it?

[hallow needle]

the secondary fire builds up 20-25% per throw even

[whole oxide]

snipers, bombers, trappers, dogs, flamers, etc. I guess you're gonna say that with a crit-weakspot and various buffs then it can, but, that's kinda pushing it

[calm pewter]

If theyre close to you

[limpid lily]

doesnt seem much I think, like at all lol

[viral solstice]

das how you gotta use em

[hallow needle]

base is i think 10%

[proud hinge]

What should I change on this for a full assail build?

[limpid lily]

ahhh lol, the 2nd fire, ppl dont use that a lot

[viral solstice]

the cool version of assail is using quickswap tech

[safe crystal]

No

[viral solstice]

and what they are really for imo

[hallow needle]

mainly for range for snipers

[viral solstice]

the ep knife spam is degen

[tough stump]

damn more intro

[limpid lily]

did you guys see those "Captain Wolfer" voice trasmission during mission?

[hallow needle]

yes

[whole oxide]

I don't need assail to melt everything, staff already does that, I don't need blitz to be a substitute weapon

[hallow needle]

its the heretic assassination target

[limpid lily]

shouldnt be, Captain Wolfer is the main baddie with the skull mask, as far as I know the assination targets dont get that name

well, mb it just plays out in Assassinate missions

[tacit urchin]

what's the zappy staffs role now that we have zappy fingers

[whole oxide]

with blitz I want something to cover the occasional situations that staff/sword can't handle

[hollow current]

single target damage

[fluid knot]

Single tagets damage dump

And a good large amount too

[tacit urchin]

good large big significant

[hollow current]

bigly

[limpid lily]

it does chain to enemies tho xD, 1-2

[cerulean cave]

came here for the same question. So the way surge works was reworked?

[fluid knot]

Bigly, yes

[proud hinge]

What should I change on this for full assail build?

[limpid lily]

maniac dmg and flak ig?

[dry oar]

That's how you play. I've seen pure assail build melting specials and trash rarely ever running out of charges. You may build for staves and have bb as a secondary weapon but I've seen more psykers using assail than their staves and outmatching my own trauma/warp stack build having BB as a blitz.

[whole oxide]

okay, and that's fine, point is both options are valid

[limpid lily]

yeah psykers just spam assail now xD

[teal needle]

Is it just me or does smite not work so hot vs muties any more?

[thorn kestrel]

So what I'm getting
BB is just normal psyker and the most consistent
Assail is best with gun psyker
Smite is best for?

[hollow current]

apparently for stunning everything for the whole match duration and killing it eventually

[limpid lily]

does anyone even use scrier?

[teal needle]

Assail is just generally good. My only issue with it is voidstrike even better so I only use assail against random shooter groups

[jaunty schooner]

AFKing 🤭

[limpid lily]

I gotta look into a scrier gaze build

[thorn kestrel]

Tab out while zapping the hord

[sinful bramble]

Smite is mostly supporty but yeah it's not the most engaging lol

[thorn kestrel]

Scrier sounds good but I have no idea how to build cause I hate reading lol

[whole oxide]

Scrier is mostly for gun builds, its pretty high-risk to use with a staff

[sinful bramble]

Scrier basically just amps your damage

[thorn kestrel]

Ohhhh, wait does that include Assail?

[digital pagoda]

Its for gun psyker, scriers gaze with staff will have you blowing yourself up twice per match

[sinful bramble]

Yeah it's risky with assail as well

[thorn kestrel]

So which abilities are best for purgatus?

[pearl delta]

as one of the many people who took a break for a while, what are people running on curious these days?

[spice oar]

Scrier is just you edging the warp

[sinful bramble]

You're really edging your daemon portal

[thorn kestrel]

When don't I edge the warp?

[pearl delta]

was thinking 2 tough, 1 stam, with +hp, +stam, and +cooldown as priority/

[limpid lily]

man im quite scared of vet chat xD

always every update

[sinful bramble]

Every time I look in zealot chat it's either a sobstory or they're talking about drugs

[cerulean cave]

or at each other's throats

[limpid lily]

lmao fr?

[dry oar]

Zealot mains are just adhd personified

[limpid lily]

vets are like hard stuck boomers sometimes haha (no offense)

[sinful bramble]

Last two times I looked it was someone's story about gang violence I think

[thorn kestrel]

The class-chats are just different cities lel

[sinful bramble]

Then talking about hard street drugs the next

[limpid lily]

ogryn is always wholesome

and psyker...well, i dont even know lol

[snow scaffold]

Psyker is so good I haven't even bothered to try out the other classes yet lol

[sinful bramble]

Psyker and Ogryn chats are the least unhinged

[hallow needle]

the worst vets are the cadian ones

[dry oar]

Rude

[limpid lily]

I can see that

[cerulean cave]

well...they ain't Cadian anymore.

[hallow needle]

hehe

[limpid lily]

you gotta be quite...fanatical with 40k to choose Cadian and such xD

[dry oar]

For cadia man

[hallow needle]

cadians are like the vanilla ice cream os veterans

not much flavor

[limpid lily]

pumpkin spice

[sinful bramble]

I have a cadian vet lady, I like her

[dry oar]

I can't play a Krieg unit so cadia will have to do

[hallow needle]

too many of em out there

[thorn kestrel]

You called?

[limpid lily]

I'm gonna make a cadian vet bc I bought the kasrkin bundle and I need the accurate lore for it

[limpid lily]

[hallow needle]

gotta do the chaos space marine meme and throw some dust at a cadian

[sinful bramble]

Might nab the commissar look for mine for maximum supportive capabilities

Why yes I will contribute to the downfall of civilization by buying cosmetics

[hallow needle]

sadly the body piece isnt quite what i want from a commissar outfit

[limpid lily]

arent cadians literally returning to their asteroid field of a world in recent lore?

and found it's literally chaos stronghold and such

[sinful bramble]

Yeah hopefully we get a proper goofy ass giant coat

[hallow needle]

pfffff hahahaha

[sinful bramble]

I might just get the cap

[dry oar]

And plasma pistol

[hallow needle]

also creed aint even dead but they dont know it

[dry oar]

Dramatic irony

[thorn kestrel]

I shot him

[hallow needle]

i want to make a ciaphas cain cosplay in darktide already

[sinful bramble]

Bolt pistol pls

[hallow needle]

nah he uses a laspistol

[dry oar]

I want a servitor playable class

[limpid lily]

maybe Cadia returning or sht lol

[dry oar]

Use big drill and turn heretics to fertilizer

[hallow needle]

story better end with "Hello, i am trazyn the infinite"

[limpid lily]

[hallow needle]

welcome to my galleris

enjoy your stay

forever btw

[limpid lily]

oh man, I gotta say, I really hope the next balancing patch for stuff is gonna fair well, that one nerf to powersword a while back got some crazy heat xD

vets being vets lol

[hallow needle]

i fear they are gonna nerf psyker

[thorn kestrel]

Cadia 2 + a lot of glue

[thorn kestrel]

Just join Tzeentch smh

[hallow needle]

lemme whip up a cadia mini

i got some rocks outside

[limpid lily]

they're probably gonna touch on Assail at least, I think everything else is balanced af

[hallow needle]

i bet i can scatter them around a 40mm base

[hallow needle]

smite might need a bit of a dmg boost on the charge one

[limpid lily]

maybe make it build peril more, or regen slower

[next dome]

smite

[limpid lily]

I think smite does what it does well, a good CC, safe blitz ability

[hallow needle]

smite has 2 things though

one for cc and one for dmg

[limpid lily]

tho...it lags the fuck outta my game playing with smite players xD

[keen harbor]

can confirm, smite causes fps drops

[limpid lily]

yeah, you stay right next to it and bam, 5 fps

[hallow needle]

havnt had fps drops so far

are you guys playing with raytracing?

[limpid lily]

either way, I love smite, it gives some good support and dmg boost on affected enemies, tis good

[thorn kestrel]

Your pc doesn't exist and is purely in your mind
Of course your fps doesn't drop

[hallow needle]

indeed

true psyker gameplay

[limpid lily]

do u PLAY smite or play with players who play smite

[hallow needle]

did both and havnt had any drops

[limpid lily]

do you literally stick to the person who's smiting?

[keen harbor]

no, I am playing with a 1070ti, ultra low settings

[thorn kestrel]

I'd love to play smite/Assail but the fact that it cant deal with carapace unlike BB doesn't gel with purgatus

from my limited knowledge

[keen harbor]

if you want ultimate fps drops, have someone drop smoke on your smite

[hallow needle]

is why i use a void strike staff

just bop those crushers with 2 balls

[thorn kestrel]

Thats why i'm taking your void strike

[limpid lily]

well now that Surge is OMEGA damage, havign Assail is literally just a "you don't get to have fun, only I do" kinda thing rn for me xD

[hallow needle]

qwq

i never liked the surge staff much

i do love burning the entire screen though

and other peoples gpus

[spiral lion]

anyone getting flashbacks on Kerillian skill from psyker shards?

[limpid lily]

YES

played with 3 psykers with assail today, basically waystalker x3

[spiral lion]

and not good flashbacks... envy and questioning "why use anything else"...

[hallow needle]

hordes are nonexistant with assail

[limpid lily]

I had like 50 points at the end while they all got like 100+ in scoreboard xD

I could NOT do anything

[thorn kestrel]

God now I want to play all classes sadge

[limpid lily]

2 of them had surge staff

so crushers and suc werent an issue

[shadow quail]

which one would you guys transfer to?

[patent steeple]

btw, is purg still worth using without the Soulblaze stuff if I don't have a voidstrike, or would trauma be better in that scenario (for context, I wanna be a staff psyker with crit bonuses on staff to proc Perfect Timing)?

[dry oar]

Get trauma instead

[thorn kestrel]

Flip a coin

[hallow needle]

the right one

[dry oar]

🤡

[hallow needle]

go crit or go home

[thorn kestrel]

Purg is simply the best for hordes

Its what I'm used to so go get it

[hallow needle]

i have to make a new soulblaze build with the new changes

before i just set the entire screen on fire

[heady sapphire]

"Let the warp flow" and everything goes aflame and the wildfire ticks on forever

[spiral lion]

sad that there is not much dedicated to soulbaze passives.

[patent steeple]

hmmm, ok... but I also lack a dueling sword so I am forced to run illisi...

[river sand]

The big question ist assail with empowered or with the keystone on the precision thing ?

[thorn kestrel]

Lol I use the stabbing sword

[hallow needle]

yeah

me want burn heretics

[patent steeple]

deimos? as in, the worse mk4 Dueling Sword based on what i have heard recently?

[river sand]

Thats not true. You can go full ledt side with stacks building by soulblaze kills, lowering your cooldown for soulblaze scream, with wildfire

[thorn kestrel]

It looks cool

so I like it

[river sand]

I like it that force swords arent the only option now. Guess i go back to bleed dagger for the speed and monstrosity dmg. As you dont need to melee that much anyway

[thorn kestrel]

But force swords are best swords

[thorn sage]

I think i got a Hot PsyGun build

[sterile saddle]

share pls

need baseline to edit

or steal

bonus if it works with laspistol

[lofty temple]

This game is EZ

AF

Smite is the best blitz

[thorn sage]

Not sure how im supposed to share the Tree but here

The Weapon could be better

[raven lance]

hi, was psyker nerfed? why do i have so little toughness. i got +30 from the tree and only hp curios

[sterile saddle]

points left over?

[sterile saddle]

be nice to get the toughness on crit

[thorn sage]

You can

[sterile saddle]

o?

[thorn sage]

I dont use the Blitz

[willow escarp]

Everyone’s base toughness was reduced and you have to make it up in the tree

[thorn sage]

But I think Gunkers love Sciers and Disrupt Destiny so i went with that

[raven lance]

oh that makes sense! i didnt see that in the notes

[boreal wave]

I'm still trying to make sense of all these changes. Not just the tree, either. Peril seems to generate way faster than before, and some of the staves behave differently. Thing that stumps me the most I guess is Smite. It just seems like a worse surge staff.

[sterile saddle]

y coherency?

[thorn sage]

I think Smite is supposed to be a Support/Weaken them

[thorn sage]

Crit

[raven lance]

Played a game with Trauma staff and warpcharges with less peril generated/stack, and i've never been able to spam that staff so much

[limpid lily]

i mean it's good CC and dmg enhance

[sterile saddle]

coherency increases crit?

[sterile saddle]

o u picked it up to help allies?

[boreal wave]

Yeah but doesn't the surge staff already do CC and, now, do damage on its own pretty well?

[limpid lily]

psyker is basically witch hunter captain with that and rapier lol

[thorn sage]

you and Allies, Crit all around

[limpid lily]

less CC than before, like 1-2 chains at best

[thorn sage]

This is Just so i can Press F and have everyone Burn with Soulblaze and Weapon Fire

[boreal wave]

I see

[sterile saddle]

i reccomend going mettle > warp expenditure > battle meditation as opposed to going the warp route

[thorn sage]

while Criting

[limpid lily]

• smite makes it so your team deals 30%+dmg to affected enemies

[sterile saddle]

helps disperse a bit of buildup maybe

[thorn sage]

Dont need to deal with Warp shit if you dont use Warp attacks

[limpid lily]

could be good for boss

[thorn sage]

[sterile saddle]

u picked up extra warp dmg

[thorn sage]

Soulfire when i Scrier

[thorn sage]

but i could do that

[past helm]

im not rly sure how to build around trauma w the new tree

mandatory venting of all stacks is a bummer

[sterile saddle]

u use soulfire weapons?

[past helm]

you mean soulblaze stacks? or

[dense mica]

in case noone elso noticed, dodging while casting lightning nullifies the peril cost

didn't get why i could cast it forever

[spice oar]

whats the best recon gun?

[thorn sage]

No no, forwhaterver reason, Soulblaze is Onhit when i Scrier, and when i have Infernus on Crit, Double Fire 🙂

[thorn sage]

Depends on what you want, the Accatran Mk VId is 105 rounds of Fast fireing Las

[dense mica]

but even with zero cost it's the most underwhelming blitz

[spice oar]

damage and ammo count

[old flame]

Smite + the surge staff is kinda redundant

I think gun psyker is best with smite

[spice oar]

wanna run a recon with gaze but i need smthn that wont need to be reloaded mid way

[willow hazel]

Gun psyker is really strong with asail though

[outer halo]

The smite talent for extra smite jumps applies to the surge staff too so not totally redundant. Surge staff jumps less overall though but does more damage

[past helm]

my other build is shredder + deimos, assail + shield + empowered psionics

that one rips

[spice oar]

is it really gun psyker if all they use is shards tho

[thorn sage]

Hmm Maybe the slowfireing Recon would be good

[spice oar]

what mk?

[past helm]

shoot gun for crit stacks, switch to shards, dump til max peril, gun again

[dense mica]

is building for soulfire spread any good btw?

[old flame]

True but timing when to use smite or the staff seems pointless

[spice oar]

horde of elites - surge, horde of shootas/regular dudes - smite

[outer halo]

Eh, thats fair. Surge has a niche in more directed killing power and at longer range but smite would be my go-to for larger groups that my team can clean up

[thorn sage]

I rather Brainburst and Flamethrower

Very fun

[manic ether]

I'm actually wondering are we in the Ordo Hereticus?

[fringe garden]

I'm just happy blazing spirit can be used effectively now

[spice oar]

i mean

[fringe garden]

With illis, I mean

[spice oar]

yeah

cant be ordo xenosis whateverus or the one other one i forget

[manic ether]

Well once we get the tyranids (If we ever do) in the future, then that'd be cool.

getting sick of just killing nurgle cultists

and daemons

[primal aurora]

Ordo Maleficus fits too, since we are dealing with almost direct daemonic influence.

[spice oar]

youll be sick for a while

[manic ether]

Atleast we could have khorne or slaanesh cultists in some maps maybe in the future as DLC

Would be cool killing chaos marines.

[spice oar]

most possible yeah

[spice oar]

nah FS dont want any marines in the game at all

[primal aurora]

Slaanesh cultist den is here in fan-art channels.

[spice oar]

and i support that tbh, would undermine the whole regular soldiers of the imperium thing

[manic ether]

Well fighting space marines (not being them)

[formal hill]

We would absolutely annihilate a space marine and it would be no contest, probably why they don't have any

[ionic needle]

We're killing heretics, not demons. Demons don't exist, remember?

[manic ether]

Daemons exist in lore

[formal hill]

We definitely kill Daemons

DH is one of them

Best of Nurgle is another

[ionic needle]

They do, but most people in the setting don't know that

It's not common knowledge

[manic ether]

But we defienetly are killing daemons

[ionic needle]

As far as we know they're just heretics

[formal hill]

"Is that, a daemonhead"

[teal needle]

We're privy to a bunch of uncommon knowledge

We're inquisitor retinue

[spice oar]

i mentioned at all

[manic ether]

We definitely also know daemons exist.

[lapis bay]

As are chaos beasts and plague ogryns

And the actual demon tree we go to collect samples from LMAO

[primal aurora]

Darktide is a bit iffy with us fighting daemons. Not exactly fitting lore, but there had to be some sort of compromise for game to be fun.

[cedar light]

After the update I think the malleus mosntrum penance is broken unless you're a literally base psyker

[lapis bay]

There are entire missions around getting daemonic samples

[formal hill]

Considering we're killing some of the more powerful entities in the setting, with regulatory, Fatshark is defined pushing that our characters are legendary heros

[manic ether]

Once Khorne or Slaanesh comes about, we will be fighting more powerful daemons then nurgles.

[cedar light]

I tried it with friends and non of the touched the dh or beast of nurgle and I didnt get it

[brave falcon]

Beast of nurgle ate me

[lapis bay]

Is that the 90% damage one?

[cedar light]

Yes

[lapis bay]

That’s strange. And none of them hit it at all?

[primal aurora]

Nah, the game is just not accurate concerning daemons.

[cedar light]

no one they were desperatley running away from the nurgle

[formal hill]

There's is no "accuracy" of 40k lore technically

But no an Ogryn most definitely can kill a space marine in melee, happens on tabletop and in lore

Singlehandedly mind you

[teal needle]

40k is self-contradictory and frequently stupid. It's just part of what the setting is.

[formal hill]

Not including a very powerful psyker/s

[supple turtle]

Anyone know the best staff currently?

[ionic needle]

Ogryn and Beast of Nurgle in game are definitely nerfed

[lapis bay]

Yeah they can rip them apart lol. In an unarmed scenario an ogryn has a high chance of just straight up outboxing a SM

[lapis bay]

Right now people really like the Void staff

[formal hill]

A single Ogryn in lore killed 4 Flesh Tearer CSM Terminators

Singlehandedly

[teal needle]

Space marines can run 60mph. Space marines can absorb the memories of other people by eating their brains.

[formal hill]

Unnamed Ogryn mind you

[ionic needle]

Yeah but you know Ogryn big and strong

[old flame]

Flesh tearwrs are a loyal chapter

[primal aurora]

I know, but there are certain rules and tropes that don't always follow logic. It is like comics logic or movie logic.

[formal hill]

Wrong name but you get it

[teal needle]

Space marines are big weenies and orks are the biggest and baddest.

[formal hill]

The abortion angron legion

[lapis bay]

Ogryns are also really dumb in lore, but in game they mention “brain chips” or their “brain getting really tingly” which makes me think they’ve been surgically enhanced to be able to talk

[ionic needle]

Yeah, that's mentioned, which is why our Ogryn can even speak

[formal hill]

Bone'eads

[teal needle]

I'm pretty sure one of the oggie voices isn't a bonehead

[formal hill]

Which are in tabletop more on par with space marines than people give them credit for

Which is why I think FS missed an opportunity

[teal needle]

Tabletop balancing doesn't match lore balancing. But also, lore balancing doesn't match lore balancing.

[formal hill]

Should've added a few SM weapons because some Ogryn do use some of them

[lapis bay]

It’s true, people just (usually) prefer the cool factor over the bonk-factor

[radiant lance]

Good blessings or should I swap Headhunter for something like Infernus?

[kindred chasm]

technically aren't gunners in the tabletop wearing carapace armor

those shits should be insanely hard to kill

[formal hill]

That's why I try and use tabletop, it's just more consistent and probably closer to "reality"

[low charm]

Any tips if I want to use Scrier's Gaze with a staff instead of a gun?
I want to focus on damage output with powers, and not so much guns, but damn that peril reaches 100% pretty quick

[kindred chasm]

headhunter turns on infernus, if anything i would suggest the inverse

unless you're hard stacking crit chance talents

[lapis bay]

Imagine having to roll a perils of the warp dice every time we cast a power

[formal hill]

I do

[primal aurora]

Nah, I think FS made fantastic work creating 40k fitting low to the ground concept.

[formal hill]

It'd called your teamates watching your bak

[old flame]

What’s the best gun a psyker can use than can kill armored elites

[lapis bay]

Snubby

[kindred chasm]

revolver, yeah

[old flame]

The revolver?

[lapis bay]

Honestly best gun for us right now

Yeah

[old flame]

Really?

[kindred chasm]

80% rending on crit is huge

[old flame]

It can kill bulwarks?

[lapis bay]

Three shots carapaces, two if critical

Yep

[kindred chasm]

pair it with surtgical to force the crits

[lapis bay]

It one and a half shots a mauler if you’re good with aiming

[formal hill]

You can kill bulwarks faster than most classes as Psyker in general

[primal aurora]

But wouldn't lightning staff be better vs carapace?

[kindred chasm]

surge staff is insane now but that's not a gun (yet)

[old flame]

What blessings/perks should you use with it?

[spiral lion]

SURPRISE DOUBLE CHAOS SPAWN ON VENTING WARP!

[kindred chasm]

hand cannon/surgical flak/maniac or carapace

[radiant lance]

Well yeah this is for my Gunpsyker who gets pretty big crit chance

[lapis bay]

Singularity, yes. But more often than not you’ll have a bunch of snipers the lightning staff can’t do shit with. Revolver cleans up pretty much all threats at all ranges

[radiant lance]

Does Infernus even feel good on Gunpsyker? I don't how big it really is.

[lapis bay]

LMAO

[kindred chasm]

infernus helps with ogryns and monstrosities but it's not super noticeable

[lapis bay]

It’s a middling blessing tbh, more for fun flavor than anything

[kindred chasm]

burn scales with power increases iirc so on psyker it should be good. i only use the recon lasgun on my vet tho

[spiral lion]

what? you vented! warp gone "outside" 😄

[formal hill]

When I explode I want to turn into a daemon host

Just to kill my team

[lapis bay]

With how strong our psykers are, it’d be more like a Chaos Beast

[spiral lion]

if i remember daemon host need to be "prepared" not spawn like that. so more chances for chaos spawn

[primal aurora]

FS introduces lore friendly rules of warp overheat, but to balance it out they also enable friendly fire at psykers.

[formal hill]

Enable friendly fire on my grenade 🙂

16m

[spiral lion]

just open portal to gardens of nurgle and spawn squad of his plaguebearers

[teal needle]

In the old Dark Heresy tabletop game there was a chance you'd randomly turn into a daemonhost whenever you used psy abilities lol

[ionic needle]

First chainsword I rolled

I guess I just swap the perks??

[ornate hamlet]

anyone got a good brain burst build?

i might use the shield thing to allow me to pop more off

[kindred chasm]

you can spam lights very reliably on chainsword and not hurt for cleave in my experience

[ionic needle]

So go for another blessing then?

[spiral lion]

how do you think - will we see new branch for "melee" psyker in future? (yeah i mean smite is kinda close combar, but would like to see something closer to unchained sienna)

[ionic needle]

I rerolled sprint to unyielding, but not sure what to do next

[kindred chasm]

me personally i might consider swithcing wrath to rampage

[ornate hamlet]

wait until you get a kill streak related one

[kindred chasm]

but i would recommend running first

[ornate hamlet]

really thats what you should be going for

[kindred chasm]

see if you feel like you like what you've got first

[ornate hamlet]

kill streak shit

[ionic needle]

I want to use it to kill biggies though

[noble trellis]

if you're going to switch out wrath, definitely take rampage
but yeah do a test run

[ionic needle]

Running Assail so small mobs isn't a problem

[kindred chasm]

ive been running this on my zealot and have been going batshit with it

but i spam lights. if youre spamming heavies you probably want savage sweep

[ornate hamlet]

almost perfect

so close

[kindred chasm]

is what it is

bloodletter 4 is only 1 more stack iirc

[ornate hamlet]

i got a perfect desi force sword

reflector and the one that gives more damage per kill

and 2 good perks

[teal needle]

Honestly scrier is basically that

Less attack speed more damage though

[ionic needle]

Damn I love unchained sienna

[kindred chasm]

almost perfect imo

im wishing more that i had this as the deimos tho

[radiant lance]

So perhaps better to just keep this as is?

[teal needle]

I spent like 5 minutes trying to figure out why my weaker build could one shot a crusher when my stronger build couldn't just to remember my weaker build had kinetic flayer and I got lucky

[radiant lance]

Has anyone tested Blazing Spirit + Bloodthirsty Illisi?

[lapis bay]

In my experience it works great for close encounters, but also depends on what your build looks like too.

[sage geode]

What are some of the better blessings for slapping on the Voidstrike?

[old flame]

I’m confused how empowered psyonic works

The stack never falls off

Is it permanent?

[teal needle]

Yeah

[drifting violet]

Warp flurry and warp nexus

Or “transfer peril” if you’re struggling with your perils

[hazy locust]

[worldly chasm]

What should I reroll on this?

[ionic needle]

Melk selling this now, seems worth it

[drifting violet]

Quick question: any recommendations on how to build around AP psyker?

[lethal raptor]

AP psyker?

[drifting violet]

Auto Pistol

[harsh urchin]

it's not very good anymore

post-nerf

unfortunately

been playing with a few trees

feels underwhelming, but still playable

[drifting violet]

Don’t care, gonna try it anyways

Bored of void already

[harsh urchin]

ok, grab BB + kinetic flayer, grab 10% elite damage and grab 6 warp charges

[drifting violet]

😎👍

Thx 4 quick answer

[harsh urchin]

can also grab destiny nodes, but i'm not the biggest fan of it

would just rather have the 24% more damage lol

[naive imp]

lol what is their ability?

[sick light]

I'm thinking here (which usually isn't a good sign), stacking crit for a purgatus is actually decent or I'm just on crack?

[radiant lance]

Gotta say I don't quite understand the hype about the Surge staff. It takes ages to kill stuff.

[indigo thunder]

Kindreds, I have returned after few months of inactivity. I heard there is some bonkers build with Smite and Empowered Psionics. Anyone can share full talent tree pic for it?

[harsh urchin]

it's a single target weapon now

[fluid knot]

Just testing Surge/Smite with SoulBlaze to support the DoT ticks an its actually pretty solid

[radiant lance]

I know. I'm saying it takes ages to kill things

[harsh urchin]

what are you trying to kill

[radiant lance]

Like 3 full charges to kill a gunner or something?

[fluid knot]

Smite could certainly use a small buff, but this feels pretty damn good

[harsh urchin]

with it

hmm that doesnt seem right

[radiant lance]

Let me test it

[fluid knot]

Ey? Im just using Surge now an it shreds

Its 3 charges to kill Crusher

Which even still, isnt bad at all given how short the chargeup is

[radiant lance]

Sorry, 2

[fluid knot]

An i aint even got Flurry on mine

[radiant lance]

Wat.

[warped kernel]

does seer's presence (cooldown reduction) affect the rate at which assail shards come back? I imagine cooldown reduction is solely for F abilities but happy to be wrong

[radiant lance]

4 for me.

[fluid knot]

I guess there is a breakpoint difference somewhere there, though i have got Nexus on mine so the added crits might be topping it off there

Now that crit calculations are actually sensible

[heady garnet]

Anyone else exploding more often compared to last patch?

[sick light]

Mind sharing the build? It seems fun

[harsh urchin]

how good is your gear / tree?

seems like there's a discrepancy

[fluid knot]

I was a fair bit with Assail + Scriers, but not otherwise

[radiant lance]

I think I need to build it for crit for it to shine?

[fluid knot]

Ye sec

[toxic crown]

so guys, new to psyker class here, what should I focus on in the tree to be good for my team as I am leveling?

[radiant lance]

Nothing special on my gear. Dunno what you mean by a good tree but I think I probably should build this staff for crits since it has a crit stat.

[fluid knot]

@sick light

You can basically always have stuff shocked, is gud

[warped kernel]

yeah this specific burn build is really good

[fluid knot]

Shocked and/or burning

[harsh urchin]

yeah uhhh having your gear properly rolled and a tree that's properly set up will probably help

[warped kernel]

love it with blazing spirit trauma

[broken quail]

Does warp resistance on a force sword change scriers gaze base warp generation?

[fluid knot]

Need to try Trauma post-patch, im not sure if it got changes tbh, did it?

[sage geode]

I'm not sure. But I'm one-shotting bulwarks and crushers to the head with mine.

[still hearth]

I guess that's the way to kill things with smite

[fluid knot]

Havent tested that tbh, good question tho

[fluid knot]

Ehhh, even then, Smite isnt really doing the killing, the Soulblaze ticks an Surge is, but it keeps everything locked so your team can mulch it which is good for taking the pressure off, kills with Smite are more of a by-product

[late field]

We're all pretty new to this update, my guy. Just test isht out. If you want an OG build stay to the left side of the tree. Otherwise see what you like and build around that

[sage geode]

Mine seems to one-shot pretty much anything with a clean headshot on Damnation meat grinder. If I can lose the Surge for Warp Nexus, I'll be a happy camper with voidstrike.

[fluid knot]

I didnt wanna use the bogus infinite power bug, so this is the next best thing

[toxic crown]

got it, thank you

[sick light]

Oh the flame thing procs on both surge AND smite?

[fluid knot]

It procs on any Elite/Special kill

Also you have burn from the ult

[fluid knot]

Thats a nice Void, shame about the warp resist tho

I would go Surge/Nexus an yeet Flurry tbh with you

[sage geode]

Yeah, tell me about it. tbh I'm not complaining though. Was the best one out of a batch of 45 I bought.

[fluid knot]

Nah its solid for sure 😄

[broken quail]

just testerd a 24% and 80% warp resist and both resulted in 13.9 seconds to get to 100% peril with no quelling from scriers gaze

[sick light]

Got it. Any traits I should look for in the staff specifically?

[teal storm]

So I'm running brain knives and gaze, aiming for gun psyker (not married to the idea though). What gun would y'all suggest?

[fluid knot]

Ideally Warp Nexus/Flurry for Surge it would seem

Unfortunately, mine has Barrage locked, which is painful 😂

[still hearth]

Lets go

[sage geode]

You're probably right, yeah. Just been struggling to find IV Nexus smh

[fluid knot]

Ye there ya go, though you want higher crit bonus ideally^

[fluid knot]

It can be a real pain in the ass getting the T4 blessings

[still hearth]

Ehh crits are for nerds

[sick light]

Then I'm gucci. Thank dude! I'll try it out later on :D

[fluid knot]

You misspelled damage 😄

[still hearth]

If I wanted to do damage I'd run Voidstrike

[fluid knot]

I mean.. Surge does good damage, its just not broken damage

[still hearth]

Yeah its too moderate

[fluid knot]

Void is a little bit silly atm

[still hearth]

It should one-shot crushers at least

[fluid knot]

Not something people should be really comparing other weapons too currently

[sage geode]

tbh its just my karma for getting power cycler on one of my first swords back when it was top tier

Ironic. I hardly play veteran anymore

[fluid knot]

Vet still is, an always has been, the least engaging class i wont lie

[still hearth]

Voidstrike could definitely use something to reign it in

[fluid knot]

Just take 15% off it an it would still be stellar, but at the moment its unreasonably good yeah

[radiant lance]

Will it let me one-shot shotgunners and gunners?

[sage geode]

Bro of course now that I'm talking about it

I should bitch about not getting hte blessings I want here more often

[burnt tapir]

Thoughts on Surge? My crit maxed surge staff feels terrible atm. It generates massive peril for okay damage on 2 targets. It feels like I'd be better off using any other staff and just collateraling everything

[naive imp]

went psyker as my first convict...wish me luck!

[radiant lance]

I'm having a similar experience with a non-optimal Surge.

I'm 2-shotting lots of stuff I could just be one-shotting with Voidstrike.

[harsh urchin]

im testing in meat grinder

in damnation i'm able to one shot both on a full charge

[molten prawn]

What blessing am i looking for on Dueling M4

[harsh urchin]

with non crit

with this staff

[long wharf]

the Surge staff doesn't feel particularly good to use now

[radiant lance]

On crit or on regular hit?

[harsh urchin]

yeah I'm able to consistently one shot both gunners and shotgunners with non-crit

[burnt tapir]

I think only hitting two targets makes it useless, at least for the peril generation. Literally any other staff can also do tons of damage and hit swathes of enemies.

[radiant lance]

Idk how that is happening without crit tbh. I am doing 800 on non-crit with 76% damage.

[burnt tapir]

Peril stuff?

[radiant lance]

+25% from Flak would make it 1000 which is still not enough damage.

[burnt tapir]

+20% with peril is a node off the top of my head

[harsh urchin]

do you have nodes on the tree allocated that give you more damage

[radiant lance]

I don't think so?

[harsh urchin]

those might help

[burnt tapir]

Is anyone actually maining the Surge staff on dif 4 or above?

[harsh urchin]

i'm using it in hi5stg

[radiant lance]

Which ones exactly?

[harsh urchin]

it's pretty mediocre

i think vs is better

it's a solid 7/10

vs is 9/10

[burnt tapir]

That was my next question lol, why use it over Vs, trauma, purg

[dreamy fjord]

wut dis

[radiant lance]

I don't think there is a reason tbh.

[harsh urchin]

umm, well first try putting 25% to flak perk on it

[sick light]

Cuz people like it

[harsh urchin]

and see how close you get to the oneshot breakpoint

[olive ember]

Isn’t that just base ability to do AOE push

[radiant lance]

Welp if I'm getting 800, +25% would put me at 1000 which is not enough

Scab gunner has like 1.2k HP I think

[harsh urchin]

and then you can try throwing on bonuses to see if you can hit the BP

[radiant lance]

Are you running Warp Siphon maybe?

[harsh urchin]

you have 20% from heat

and 10% to elites from aura, but i'm not running the aura

[whole oxide]

Uncanny Strike, and maniac perk, other 2 slots are more free

[radiant lance]

Yeah idk this staff just isn't doing damage for me even with Warp Charges and high peril

Thanks for trying to help but I think I'm just gonna ditch it

[molten prawn]

Cool

[harsh urchin]

sure

lol

yeah I think if you're not hitting the breakpoints to one shot stuff i'd just use something else

[burnt tapir]

Also I feel like Trauma might need a bit of AoE or something, to make it distinct from the VS which is also AoE, benefits from headshots, and works at every range

[radiant lance]

Nah Trauma is great at mixed hordes which VS isn't

It's in a great place

And it provides good CC as well

[burnt tapir]

Why is VS bad vs mixed hordes

[whole oxide]

trauma aoe is way way bigger than void, they're not doing the same job

[radiant lance]

Because it doesn't go through elites

[burnt tapir]

oh

I thought it did

[radiant lance]

It explodes on them as far as I know

[harsh urchin]

it explodes and everything dies lol

vs is absolutely insane rn

[karmic reef]

For this build, what gun should I use? (its a gun psyker build)

[harsh urchin]

probably one of the most overpowered weapons rn

[karmic reef]

Rn I'm using autopistol but I feel like it should probably use a more precise weapon seeing as how its all about precision and crits

[karmic reef]

Instakills crushers and shit too

[ornate hamlet]

Infantry autogun, recon, burst headhunter

[whole oxide]

laspistol will probably benefit alot from those perks

[karmic reef]

why laspistol specifically?

[whole oxide]

laspistol has big weakspot/crit modifiers

[karmic reef]

Guess I can try it

[karmic reef]

But I wonder if these weapons would benefit more

[whole oxide]

headhunters are probably strongest, but, its w/e you like using really

[harsh urchin]

defy destiny felt kinda ass to me

hopefully u can make it work for you

[sullen bobcat]

I like how people think the infinite smite thing is intended

[whole oxide]

while it is kinda crazy, when they fix it Smite is gonna feel pretty bad

[sullen bobcat]

Probably like -30% peril gen, and it'll be fine

[analog agate]

Crab confirmed it was a bug earlier in the week

[karmic reef]

So how do I use the shield on a purgatus build?

[sullen bobcat]

The main issue with smite is the peril generation being ridiculous at the moment

[thick carbon]

You can lock down almost anything though. I feel like it does what the surge staff used to do when it comes to crowd control but better

[indigo thunder]

What are the intermediate choices for Smite + Empowered Psyonics build?

[whole oxide]

you can atm, when it doesn't cost anything

[sullen bobcat]

Not relying on a crutch would be a good move imo

[whole oxide]

when it puts you to full peril in 3 seconds once fixed, not much fun

[thick carbon]

You still can even if it does. Just got gud

[indigo thunder]

That doesn't asnwer my question

[chrome dune]

Is it just me or is brain burst not so pog unless you are nearly at 30 now? Locking those warp charges at the very bottom of the list seems odd compared to how essential they were to the class previously.

[thick carbon]

Still feels bad even if you are. They nerfed it hard

[chrome dune]

Haven’t even used smite yet

[lofty temple]

smite is radical

[chrome dune]

Still love the ability though. Nothing quite like popping a sniper across the map with my back to them.

[whole oxide]

?? BB is way better than before

[chrome dune]

I haven’t had too much time with all the classes since yesterday, but will try more of psyker tonight. Shouty is sonic the hedgehog. Big pog.

[naive imp]

is smite good?

[ornate hamlet]

Quite so

[bold flint]

Is the "high damage" working on smite

[humble bolt]

Are you supposed to have like three dome shields you can place down without cool down or is that a bug too

[tardy flower]

Def supposed to have a cooldown

[karmic reef]

Is the shield good with purgatus brainburst build?

[bold flint]

Probably

[fluid knot]

Chasm Station bossroom is even madder this patch 😂

[bold flint]

Shield is strong

[tardy flower]

Shield is just good in general

[karmic reef]

dome or regular?

[tardy flower]

They prob both have their use cases

[bold flint]

Dome gives you pretty nice toughness regen

[karmic reef]

What do you think synergizes with purg and bb the best?

[tardy flower]

Being able to bank 2 of the stun shields is kinda nice

[sage geode]

Just finished an Auric 5 running the glitched psyker Smite+Empowered. Honestly its strong, but not nearly as OP as I thought it would be.

[bold flint]

with the warp charge path currently you can pop two as well

[karmic reef]

it only stuns elites right?

[sage geode]

You're still super vulnerable while using the Smite.

[indigo thunder]

Share your talent tree pics

[bold flint]

I imagine getting charges from all those soulfire kills will be easy too

[willow cobalt]

Anyone got a good pysker build?

For assail?

[bold flint]

Should be a 10% to stun any target, which is pretty unreliable

[karmic reef]

also with popping the shield giving me fast and cheap brain bursts its nice

[fluid knot]

Seems to mostly be about the cone you can catch enemies in, if you get everythin in that cone, you're safe as houses, if they're outside it, they're gonna bonk you

[naive imp]

brain burst is only single target right?

[tardy flower]

Yes

[naive imp]

going smite for sure

[bold flint]

Why not assail

[sage geode]

Yeah. Honestly it felt very strong when my team was guarding my back. But I imagine trying to solo while relying on the Smite bug heavily is just a tedious nightmare.

[tall mango]

did my first auric damnation and fuck. dome shield and infinite smite does WORk

[fluid knot]

Yeah.. though in all honesty i dont think there is a lot of point to using the bug anyway, it autostops casting when you hit 100% peril an the downtime is fuck all

[naive imp]

cause lightning sounds cool

what are warp charges?

[spare sigil]

Is anyone else having sound issues when using the surge staff on enemies?

[naive imp]

feel like the game didn't tell me that

[tall mango]

I dont need teammates to guard my back for I have my beloved

[naive imp]

i'm going smite as well...any tips?

[warm flint]

paired with illisi and surge staff

[naive imp]

was thinking cooldown is what we want?

[tall mango]

you hold right click

[winter otter]

Infinite smite? Oh no, what have I missed.

[tall mango]

and then hold left click

[sage geode]

Bro are you my twin?

[fluid knot]

Its not worth using imo

Uptime is nice, but it has that anyway

[tall mango]

bro???

[fluid knot]

Just avoid the bug entirely an spend points elsewhere

[indigo thunder]

The bug happens with talents I have but I am not sure what triggers it

[near crow]

Infinite smite is good in a few niche situations

[indigo thunder]

nevetheless, it's funny af

[sage geode]

Infinite Smite is nice when you're not surrounded by enemies, and have a lot of enemies in front of you.

[tall mango]

we even got the same eyes holy shit

[near crow]

Like going through the vents on that one archivum mission

You can kinda just W+M1 your way through as long as your team stays nearby

[tall mango]

got this as a drop, rip?

[sage geode]

The cause is with Empowered Psionics. For some reason it applies the 100% Peril Cost Reduction to Smite, when it should only be applying it to Brain Rupture.

[tall mango]

both gain -100% reduced peril cost, the shards and BB

[fluid knot]

Think Dueling swords are menna be cracked this patch actually

[opal anvil]

Any recommendations for rolling this?

[sage geode]

However its not as useful or OP as one might expect. You're still vulnerable to being attacked while you're channeling the smite, and it doesn' do that much damage. So you're locking yourself down to lock down a group of enemies, all while hoping your teammates have your back.

[warm flint]

Just saying, infinite smite is an acknowledged on the fatshark forums so i would not count on it being around for too long

[fluid knot]

I did a die earlier so got to watch someone use it an it seems they're really good

[sage geode]

Meaning its most useful in tunnels where all the enemies are coming from one direction.

But the psyker is already so good at clearing hordes like that, that the smite is just another less effective tool at clearing hordes in one direction.

[tall mango]

it’s not for killing though?

[sage geode]

Its great when you can lock down a group of crushers, or hold back hounds.

[tall mango]

it’s to stun big bads

[sage geode]

But overall, its not as OP as some other past bugs have been.

[naive imp]

brain burst is horrible early on

lol

[tall mango]

I use Trauma staff for hordes, smite for biguns

[fluid knot]

It doesnt need the bug to do anything its good at in all honesty

[tall mango]

it’s not broken when we have shit like holy relic tbqh

[sage geode]

Yeah, I agree. Its equally as viable without the bug, since if you're needing to hold Smite for longer than a few seconds anyway, you've probably got bigger problems lol

[fluid knot]

That only lasts like 5s tho

[warm flint]

with the build i posted, i found speccing into smite over BB is useful only for the smite jump perk as it applies that to the surge staff as well and you get 3 targets

with the war charge resistance perk, you can surge 11 times in a row before having to quell

which makes the cc of smite pointless

[sage geode]

God I wish I could love the trauma staff.

But its just so incompatible with my prefered playstyle

[tall mango]

I adore it

[fluid knot]

It is good for locking down a room to let your team focus monsters tho i'll give it that, squidge yourself somewhere you get a veiw on the whole room an they can deal with it in relative impunity

[tall mango]

It can stagger really well

[fluid knot]

Gonna be goated on the monster modifier

[tall mango]

And does respectable damage

it’s saved me so many times

[sage geode]

Voidstrike and Surge are my babies. But honetsly with Smite acting as a soft-Surge, running Voidstrike + Smite is some of the most fun I've had on psyker in a while.

[tall mango]

Void and smite are crazy strong

I just used void for the longest time back at launch

Wanted to give trauma more love

this worth upgrading or nah?

[sage geode]

So has anyone managed to keep Scriers Gaze going for unapologetically long amounts of time?

[tall mango]

longest ive gotten is about 12-15s

[past helm]

i think its intentional that the easiest ways to keep it up also generate lots of peril

[warm flint]

nah, too low base mod score

[tall mango]

[warm flint]

only upgrade 370 plus imo, 375 plus for t5+

[tall mango]

ive had this for the longest time

[warm flint]

it's not bad

[sage geode]

Man now I've gotta figure out a good talent tree for Surge

[tall mango]

crits.

get the crit build and itll fuck

wait did they fix the contracts?

[warm flint]

i would say refine unarmoured to flak or crit chance, then blazing sprit to either xfer peril or warp nexus for crit

[fluid knot]

Nexus/Surge is about as good as it gets on Void atm

[tall mango]

I like blaze because i get to watch an entire horde erupt into flames

[fluid knot]

But that one^ just swap Crit chance onto it an take the talent that gives you a guaranteed crit every few headshots an you're onto a winner

Basically because of how Void cleaves, it'll be every other shot

Kill X number with the first shot, Proc, rinse an repeat

[tall mango]

anyone up for some auric damnation?

[royal falcon]

so what's the deal with assail

[lapis bay]

its op

[tall mango]

its very strong

[burnt tapir]

Is crit purg a good idea due to the double stack on crit?

[tall mango]

can do insane burst damage and sweep elites

[lapis bay]

Assail is legit left click and have anything flak or less die in seconds

Its the maniac deleter

the gunner goner

[tall mango]

ive found the tracking to be, eh?at times

[lapis bay]

the flamer detainer

[sage geode]

Very strong. Very fast. Which would be fine, if it wasn't usable so often lol

[lapis bay]

If you hold rmb and track the enemy, it curves around corners and does enhanced damage

Yeah big nerf inc it feels like it, either charge or recharge rate

[tall mango]

I find that to slow down your damage too much

[lapis bay]

Maybe 4 and replenish 1 every 10s or after elite kill

[spice veldt]

wave your mouse wildly

[fluid knot]

Strong, not OP

Struggles with Maulers, cant really kill Orgryns, and dogshit at monsters

Mind you, Smite struggles to actually kill anything

Super usefull nonetheless tho

[tall mango]

it can kill a reaper

itll just..take a while lol

[fluid knot]

Yeah it just takes an age

[tall mango]

thats what voidstrike is for

[lapis bay]

Fair, sorry replied to wrong thing

[fluid knot]

I think Assail sits in a decent place at the moment, its good at what it does, doesnt do anything stupid like Void does

[lapis bay]

2 headshots and done

[fringe tangle]

Does dodge duration mean how long the iframes last?

[lyric burrow]

i think assail is a little overtuned but that might be because smite feels much worse

[lapis bay]

Assail is overtuned because it can be spammed and can clear rooms without even needing to be in LOS

[tall mango]

smite will get bug fixed and then itll be super buffed and ill get to continue being palpatine

[fluid knot]

Smite is a funny one though, if they were to boost its damage, then it would be overtuned, so for it to be buffed, you'd need to also decrease the CC

[analog agate]

Are you saying this because it has strong cleave? I also assume you run the wrack and ruin node which lights more on fire?

[lapis bay]

Like when a weapon or skill makes it so that you never have to use another weapon, that's OP

[fluid knot]

Ye

[lyric burrow]

its EP is def overtuned

[fringe tangle]

ok, thought so.

[lyric burrow]

yeah its in a weird spot. CC tends to lose out to just damage in this game

[tall mango]

pls do not ruin its CC

I love its CC

[sullen bobcat]

Assail is incredibly low skill for high reward. Yeah it sucks against carapace/flak, but that's legitimately like 10% of enemies

[spice veldt]

basically you really only need to hover your mouse over an enemy for it to lock into the target

[tall mango]

it makes it different from surge

[fluid knot]

Well this is it man, its one or the other, cant go stupidly overboard buffing it when it can lock down like 100 enemies given the LoS and spacing is right

[lyric burrow]

its not as egregious as void though

[tall mango]

what they should do is like