warp charge based
#psyker-class
olive ember
fluid knot
well thats just as good, if not preferable
olive ember
its super cracked yea
fluid knot
Gonna be eating good this patch after months an months of use with the damn thing 😄
viscid matrix
i think you have to be able to see the target
fluid knot
Aye, but that still means you can shoot round pillars an whatever other obstacles
viscid matrix
its really shit for bursters tho, cause it doesnt kill and takes a few hits, so it goes thru and then comes back and hits burster in the back and knocks it forward
fluid knot
Meh, same route i usually take, Void or push for they
cyan notch
how the mighty have fallen
spice veldt
non-chaotic hordeclear on my blitz 😎
viscid matrix
kinda wish the psyker content creators would be better at testing and showing the changes
cyan notch
embrace the aimbot
viscid matrix
kinda sad that the Ogryn players in the playtest are talking about what they have seen and sharing info, and the psyker players are silent in the discord
viscid matrix
its more that i can get more info about changes to psyker from the #ogryn-class channel, then discuss it here
cyan notch
oh thats cuz people go to psyker chat 2
potent echo
Sometimes psyker chat 2 is zealot
potent echo
Game about to get a population surge
cyan notch
(for 2 weeks)
gilded viper
knotty sage
What are the chances to all psyker weapons with tomorrows patch?
gilded viper
I think alot of people are going with the "the gsme finally getting out of early access" mindset + console release
potent echo
What are the chances to all psyker weapons with tomorrows patch?
Void and surge big changes
Void big damage buff, surge now hits only 2 targets but damage increase
Duelling swords better apparently
olive ember
duelling sword mk 4 heavies do more damage than deimos
dunno if deimos has been nerfed tho or not
voidstrike literally one shots reapers and bulwarks
blessing changes all around so meta is prob shifting
autopistol is nerfed, vraks is new best friend
potent echo
duelling sword mk 4 heavies do more damage than deimos
Damn, but Deimos had it coming
fierce cedar
is that surge blessing worth picking up?
spice veldt
very, primarily for the patch in the coming hours
viscid matrix
is that surge blessing worth picking up?
swap terrify to either of the warp blessings
idle aurora
very, primarily for the patch in the coming hours
2 big balls of doom?
restive slate
I wonder if any playtesters can confirm the viability of Surge Staff with the presence of Bioelectricity Blitz?
olive ember
2 big balls of doom?
New patch gives psykers the ability to get guaranteed crit
Specifically guaranteed crit after 5 weakspot hits
So it self feeds into itself
olive ember
I wonder if any playtesters can confirm the viability of Surge Staff with the pr...
Surge is changed to single target damage
idle aurora
Specifically guaranteed crit after 5 weakspot hits
Oh nice
olive ember
Basically think each charge as a bb, so 3 charges to kill a mutant
restive slate
Surge is changed to single target damage
Now thats going to be interesting to test
olive ember
Tho that doesn’t mean much cuz voidstrike is broken
idle aurora
I played with void yesterday, i remembered why i stopped using it, lol. I'll run with it again tomorrow
olive ember
Like it can one shot bulwarks and reapers and two shot crushers
bold flint
is it possible to path like this
bold flint
olive ember
Yeah it’s big rip that You can’t go back up the tree
whole oxide
? i thought you could
olive ember
Especially for psykers it means your blitz ability will actually lock you out of some choices
Well the streamer said you can’t
we'lll see in like 12 horus tho
golden frigate
we'lll see in like 12 horus tho
you sure they'll drop it at EU midnight? 
fluid knot
you sure they'll drop it at EU midnight? <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
No, they'll drop it at 11PM for me
olive ember
10/4 sweden time, but 10/3 6 PM EST for me idk what time zone for you guys
golden frigate
oh, didn't know
meager plinth
Look at the #❕countdown❕
digital narwhal
is that surge blessing worth picking up?
100% grab Surge
golden frigate
that's a 
whole oxide
if you can't traverse back up the tree, then that means both wildfire and psykinetic aura are locked out if you take Assail :<
olive ember
yes that was his exact example actually
if you want wildfire/aura you need to take BB or smite
but smite is according to jsat kinda mid
digital narwhal
but smite is according to jsat kinda mid
Brain Burst seems to have been giga buffed though, so
at least there's one good Blitz to take there
olive ember
yeye BB got buffed
tho assail apparently is stronk as well
the meta build people are thinking of rn is basically voidstrike, assail, duelling sword, and then psykinetics wrath or telekine shield
tho apparently shield needs a bit of buff cuz it gets obliterated by gunner spam
this ofc is all the streamer and youtubers so I assume when we get our hands on the update a discord meta will develop that might be different
whole oxide
if DS horde-clear is still dog-tier, then I can see most people still passing on them
still hearth
That's why you use the purg
whole oxide
oh, I'm not saying it'll be bad or that I won't use it, just that most people prefer horde-clear on their melee
like, that's why nearly everyone apparently takes Illisi over Deimos
old aurora
do we know how that shield actually works already?
olive ember
watch some youtubers showcase it
its got some nice abilities but atleast according to streamers its too fragile
old aurora
granted I watched only one, but they didnt mention how long it lasts on what difficulties
whole oxide
lasts 15s, cooldown 40s, can upgrade it to last 20s
golden frigate
(for now)
whole oxide
but that's assuming it doesn't break
golden frigate
they'll probably change numbers around during these weeks
old aurora
Yeah sure the base duration
I meant more if its gone in 1 second on max diff and lasts until the duration ends on recruit
olive ember
whole oxide
difficulty doesn't modify abilities
old aurora
No but enemies
olive ember
sorry a few seconds back lemme change the url time
whole oxide
No but enemies
?
old aurora
and amount of enemies
olive ember
but yeah the shield looks a bit flimsy comparatively
atleast from the build the playtesters got
whole oxide
okay, but, in that case, it's impossible to answer how long it'll last
it would entirely depend on how many enemies
old aurora
Thats exactly my point 🙂
olive ember
I mean the clip I linked shows one gunner
so I would assume if you get like 5 gunners the shield just gets obliterated
whole oxide
Thats exactly my point 🙂
well, that's not the question you asked
gilded viper
Man me wonder what difficulty did I watch, the bubble shield look like it lasted forever
old aurora
I initially asked if we know how the shield actually works. And then I elaborated a bit regarding on how the shield would perform on the different difficulties. To find out if people already know if the shield is generally speaking garbage on high diff because it doesn't absorb enough damage.
You're right I didnt exactly ask that question, but it wasnt that difficult to understand that I think
native plover
Wait streamers think shield is bad? I know exactly what i'm using then!
gilded viper
Real
old aurora
anyways, if its too flimsy on high diff you could just give it a minimum duration -> fixed
gilded viper
I'm brain storming my recon psyker build, what if I use the self buff skill to give more crit for recon 
whole oxide
giving it HP kinda defeats the point of it, since you'd mostly want to use it to push large groups of gunners, not just to deal with 1-2 basic shooters
but I can see that having infinite HP with 20s duration would be crazy broken
so, would make more sense to give it infinite HP but shorter duration
olive ember
Wait streamers think shield is bad? I know exactly what i'm using then!
Eh I mean looks squishy so yeah
gilded viper
Guess they don't want gun encounter to literally be, use shield = win for free
old aurora
I mean giving it HP plus min duration circumvents that problem entirely. So its useful for moderate fire over a longer period and also useful to avoid big burst for a short duration
olive ember
Ayo tekuki it’s been a bit
gilded viper
It have
fluid knot
That's why you use the purg
I heard thats the only one not getting buffed 😄
gilded viper
I think I took a break after the new map, realize I was just giga burn out
fluid knot
Which is hilarious to me that Trauma got one, but Purga didnt
whole oxide
Guess they don't want gun encounter to literally be, use shield = win for free
they were happy with that being the case for Vet for the last year ^^
native plover
I'll probably still use it though. Even on high diffs. It seems fun to me and that's what matters
potent echo
That just means it's always been top tier 
old aurora
doesnt Vet also have a way to make gun fights super trivial with the smoke bomb now?
gilded viper
I wonder how visible the smoke is for us to see the enemy
fluid knot
That just means it's always been top tier <:chadogryn:1062460121709563924>
Ehhh, i dont know about that chief, good, but not top tier, that was far an away Trauma, not even close neither
whole oxide
I was very much on the Shield hype-train when it was first shown, but I'm moving more and more to Scrier's Gaze
potent echo
Nah surge staff was the best staff
whole oxide
nearly permanent 20% crit-chance and 40% damage is fairly big deal for crit builds
fluid knot
It might actually be now, we'll see how it stacks up to new Void
potent echo
I'm gonna try some iteration of scrier purg on launch
left hare
which one is scriers gaze
whole oxide
the definitely-not-volley-fire ult
left hare
buffs ranged dmg?
old aurora
and crit
left hare
ok sounds like volley on steroids
still hearth
I heard thats the only one not getting buffed 😄
Because its already busted
old aurora
@whole oxide youre thinkign of Disrupt Destiny
fluid knot
Because its already busted
I dont think many people would call it busted 😄
It works, as much as a flamenwaffer can
still hearth
I dont think many people would call it busted 😄
Many people are wrong 
whole oxide
<@250014458905100299> youre thinkign of Disrupt Destiny
no, I'm not
left hare
Is surge staff becoming ST dmg in the update?
potent echo
So far it's two against one 
still hearth
Is surge staff becoming ST dmg in the update?
Two targets cap yeah
whole oxide
near bluff
Is surge staff becoming ST dmg in the update?
yis
or well, 1 target main damage, bounces to 1 extra target for less damage
sterile saddle
Much excited for void staff buff
My fireballs shall cure the enemy heretics
Psykerballs..*
still hearth
Your what
sterile saddle
I sed wut I sed!
late yew
So what ya all think about new psyker things
still hearth
Hot
late yew
you meant
still hearth
Hoot
left hare
void staff buff?
late yew
shocking
left hare
What it do now
olive ember
No one cares about lightning
lies and deception
sterile saddle
Wut is scriers gaze for? It looks like a nonpsycher ability
late yew
New Lightning blitz seems kinda bad though, from video i've seen
olive ember
Wut is scriers gaze for? It looks like a nonpsycher ability
its for gun psyker
still hearth
lies and deception
Exactly, no one
sterile saddle
O
olive ember
Exactly, no one
I care
late yew
wait, is update already out?
still hearth
Wut is scriers gaze for? It looks like a nonpsycher ability
You can do lots of fun things with it
sterile saddle
Gun psycher a thing?
olive ember
wait, is update already out?
nope just that streamers and youtubers are allowed to talk about it
sterile saddle
I got a nice kantrel that has gas but using my infinite reach brain burst is like.. better
olive ember
I mean you didn't want gun that competed with BB
fluid knot
What it do now
Basically a railgun
sterile saddle
Is laspistol viable?
olive ember
now you want i forget if its a vraks 3 or vraks 7
laspistol apparently not bad but idk if its like amazing
whole oxide
i think laspistol got buffed?
sterile saddle
Fashiontide.
still hearth
Is laspistol viable?
You can definitely use it
fluid knot
Laspistol is good yeah
late yew
Gun psycher a thing?
unfortunately, yes
whole oxide
with all the new sources of crit-chance, laspistol will definitely be better
gilded viper
Always has been
gilded viper
stinky recon psyker main
gilded viper
I hope
olive ember
Idk cuz no one was using recon las
sterile saddle
Good wave clear
gilded viper
No one used the funny sounding gun 
sterile saddle
If u roll the crit stack per non crit it does some work
naive sedge
They did buff the recon gun and its still garbage
sterile saddle
Cuz it pews hard every 5-10.shots
gilded viper
Don't worry derpy, going to have a 10 page in rec9n psyker when I get from eork
whole oxide
recon will definitely be more viable too, with all the new crit-chance, and 1s-ranged-invulnerablity-on-crit
naive sedge
No.
whole oxide
sterile saddle
Is that vet or psycher?
whole oxide
psyker
sterile saddle
Buyuurrruughuh
It's totally on
Gun paycher here I come!
So tired of getting annihilated by specialists
naive sedge
(you could always be a GoodGun Psyker instead of a memegun psyker)
whole oxide
ya know Shredder's getting nerfed, right?
gilded viper
Don't matter never use it often 
naive sedge
Is shredder getting nerfed or is pinning fire getting nerfed?
whole oxide
pinning fire
naive sedge
oh thank god
sterile saddle
U mean people will use other guns than the bolter? XD
whole oxide
+100% down to +25% if I remember right
naive sedge
What about the other stacking power blessings?
thorn tapir
nice. it will still be very good
naive sedge
PF stood out among them but +60% power from on-hit effects for say Heavy Swords is still pretty good
thorn tapir
i heard shred got buffed
whole oxide
i heard shred got buffed
from what I saw, its numbers are actually slightly nerfed, but, you no longer lose the stacks if you block or do another action
thorn tapir
oh
cant tell if thats good or bad hmmm
i mean its PROBABLY better overall but
it was nice when shred REALLY got going
i mean it was still way worse than slaughterer but it was neat
sterile saddle
From what I'm hearing, the numbers on weapons got toned down but is still stronger overall with the correct build and buffs
naive sedge
Patch readers are very good at seeing NUMBER GO UP or NUMBER GO DOWN, but very bad at reading Buff Will Proc More Often/Reliably and knowing how that will improve things.
sterile saddle
Which means I can continue popping heads with my trusty lascannon and my fingers of mass destruction
gilded viper
Patch reader when they have to read
naive sedge
That said, those there Steam forums will erupt about how the bolter and shredder are useless garbage now
thorn tapir
there is no way the pinning fire nerf makes shredder or bolter bad
imo its a myth those blessings carried those weapons.
naive sedge
But they would also say that if Pf was changed from 100% --> 95% because NUMBER GO DOWN
So good change imo
thorn tapir
also ive literally never seen a veteran with a shredder after 800 hours i have no idea why you would take it on him lol. i keep hearing its common but I see revolver way more than I see shredder lol...
naive sedge
Ehhh, I see it a lot
Its very functional and has huge uptime on the ult, and makes incredibly efficient use of ammo
It sort of locks down the midrange so hard that it becomes very easy to see the specials/elites coming and the map becomes a turkeyshoot
still hearth
also ive literally never seen a veteran with a shredder after 800 hours i have n...
My condolences.
gilded viper
That said, those there Steam forums will erupt about how the bolter and shredder...
Real talk, is it still good after the nerf number wisem
Wise?
plucky flax
also ive literally never seen a veteran with a shredder after 800 hours i have n...
Challenge difficulty: impossible.
thorn tapir
idk maybe its just cause everyone got bored of it really fast and revolver is more fun (because its harder)
echo sigil
do we know any changes or nerfs to our psyker swords?
naive sedge
Real talk, is it still good after the nerf number wisem
No point guessing now really. Everything could be wrong until we have good understanding of the new talent trees
olive ember
imo its a myth those blessings carried those weapons.
Autopistol was literally the worst gun in the game bar none without its blessings
olive ember
Real talk, is it still good after the nerf number wisem
Apparently both bolter and autopistol are mid
Plasma gun even worse position
Atleast that’s what I heard
Your best bet is probably one of the autoguns but I’m also not a vet main so
gilded viper
💀
gilded viper
Guess I'll truly see when patch drop cause ik darktide player are sometimes just copers
sterile saddle
It's tasty
still hearth
Guess I'll truly see when patch drop cause ik darktide player are sometimes just...
It's basically required
sterile saddle
I'm just saying.. with zealots sprinting =dodging and hip fire blessings on weapons..
still hearth
Keep in mind that sprinting already counts as dodging
You just need to do it perpendicular to the shooter
sterile saddle
I think the perk makes u immune to ranged dmg tho
naive sedge
I'm imagining zealot dodge tanks sprinting in very small circles to tie up shooter packs
still hearth
Knife zoomies
sharp forum
This forum is fun, I got all the Psyker info what I searched from the Zealot class talk and here I can see info about the zealots 🙂
Anyway than you for sharing your experience with us normal humans who waits for the patch
naive sedge
I mean
olive ember
I mean zealot chat is just psyker chat 2
naive sedge
My interpretation of the class channels is
Vets: Hardcore tryhard analysis
Zealot: Incomprehensible shitposting and community drama
psyker: Nerd and iq wannabe gamechat
Ogryn: Cheerful shitposting
olive ember
That’s an interesting take but sure
still hearth
Zealot used to be the IQ chat
But its definitely gone to heck
Veteran used to be the meme chat
Idk what happened
grizzled jasper
That’s zealot
still hearth
No that used to be Vet chat
naive sedge
femboys are memes? Again?
grizzled jasper
Vet = meme
still hearth
Vets are coping rn
grizzled jasper
Psyker = no one plays psyker
olive ember
Psyker gets an influx of new people here n there
naive sedge
wow I see you immediately ran away to snitch to the zealots
sharp forum
He tried but they still talk about the Void staff on the Zealot forum LOL
thorn tapir
So here is a comparison with a decent pinning fire IV shredder and a junk cavalcade/blaze away 3 shredder
I think that shredder will be fine
olive ember
This with the nerf?
thorn tapir
watch it, I show a shredder without ANY pinning fire
and it still performs very well
cavalcade/blaze away are very competitive they just stack slower
olive ember
Oh maybe then
olive ember
Idk we’ll get to test when the game updates
naive sedge
Yah BA was pretty good. BA/PF was monstrous
thorn tapir
I think that Blaze Away + Cavalcade MIGHT be better now, we can see once the patch drops.
olive ember
Blaze away also got nerfed tho
thorn tapir
THere is also the fact that there are more crit synergies in the tree so it might even be more fun
olive ember
Idk how much
thorn tapir
ah good to know.
naive sedge
I found the toughness generating blessing good on psyker
thorn tapir
but the base gun itself is still pretty strong
Yea inspirational barrage is pretty neat.
I just like the damage though for fast special killing
dont really find myself struggling for toughness regen on current psyker, and from what I hear from playtesters there is MORE toughness regen now not less
olive ember
You can take multiple feats
This includes both warp absorption and Quietitude at the same time
whole oxide
i honestly don't know how the game isn't gonna be super easy-mode now
like, we're gonna have 5x more toughness regen than before
whole oxide
not 5%, not 50% more, but 500% more
thorn cedar
AI director and enemy adjustments
whole oxide
AI director just slinging 1000 specials at you isn't all that interesting
thorn tapir
THANK U
whole oxide
and it didn't look like enemies were adjusted that much
still hearth
like, we're gonna have 5x more toughness regen than before
Most people probably won't run it
Because they want the cool stuff
Who's going to take 10 toughness talents
whole oxide
well, yeah, that was just an example, it's massive gains across everything
still hearth
Voidstrike will be absolutely broken though
thorn tapir
shredder bros we are so back
whole oxide
need a "Yo dawg, I heard you like crits" meme
knotty sage
Can smite crit?
still hearth
Probably
naive sedge
When Auric update came out I was talking about power creep
this kinda looks like it
a bit
still hearth
I think they want most things to be fun but some things are definitely overtuned.
Especially since its for the Xbox release
naive sedge
Depends if they end up having to add a Maelstrom IV difficulty or w/e
still hearth
We'll probably see a fair bit of rebalancing
whole oxide
I guess they gotta make everything easier for crippled thumbstick plebs
still hearth
sterile saddle
I'm more concerned about connectivity and server problems
thorn tapir
I have a question. Is this a game where if you have a base of 5% crit chance and you have +50% crit chance you have 7.5% crit chance or 55% crit chance?
sterile saddle
Every game launch (multiple platforms) or game adding cross platform has like 3 days - 3 weeks of server instibility
naive sedge
I have a question. Is this a game where if you have a base of 5% crit chance and...
the answer to that is: Yes.
thorn tapir
wat
still hearth
I have a question. Is this a game where if you have a base of 5% crit chance and...
Crit chance is additive
thorn tapir
okay thank u 🙂
naive sedge
In VT2 there were a couple of months where no talents worked and we didn't quite notice.
Get ready for thigns to get Weird.
sterile saddle
I'm reddy freddy
I've prepared for three teirs of weird. T1 = weird. T2 = Quwheerd. And T3 = wut?
sharp forum
Thank you for the tree, I am right only the Shriek quells peril? Probably I am noob but with out it I would die around 4-5 times per game...
Other 2 would make peril management much harder.
sterile saddle
Yes only shriek quells
summer prairie
you can get quelling from disrupt destiny, but not on demand
sterile saddle
There are some passives that increase quelling on kills but it's small and intermittent
10% on kill, 20% on killing marked enemies and various weapon blessings
That's % chance not % quell
sharp forum
The other 2 should at least quell 1% so save you on demand
whole oxide
its definitely going to make edging 80% warp-nexus more stressful
sterile saddle
I wish I could hold my stick and pop heads
sharp forum
In Theory Yes, in reality during 3 boss and 4 disablers + horde around I tend to miss and blow myself up...
sharp forum
yes easy to have them time to time on Maelstorm
sterile saddle
I've had a boss and a baby boss before
sterile saddle
Yeesh
sharp forum
okay if I can one shoot the boss with the new Void I will not complain and use the shield
sterile saddle
The stick?
sharp forum
at least in the 2 days until it lasts
sterile saddle
Or is there another ability?
sterile saddle
I think the zealot got this now
still hearth
We gained so much, but at what cost?
Literally free
sterile saddle
With their sage burning skill
thorn tapir
Literally free
this is my favorite talent in the whole psyker tree 
digital narwhal
Ogryns have a Skill that makes enemies take +12% damage from all sources simply just by being damaged by the Ogryn by any means.
still hearth
this is my favorite talent in the whole psyker tree <:RWcry:1005395898102198272>
You're the only one then
thorn tapir
25% is such a big number
sterile saddle
I've seen bigger
sharp forum
Killing enemies market by Disturb destiny - is this have to be Psyker own kill or anyone from the team?
thorn tapir
proc bb from kinetic flayer, get multiplicative 25% amp on all your other amps, KEEP SHOOTING.
patent steeple
You're the only one then
I mean, I too like Cerebral because it helps me assist in killing Monstrosities...
still hearth
Yeah it was okay
thorn tapir
Yea it helps the WHOLE TEAM kill them. Your thunder hammer zealots slap even harder.
still hearth
I'm surprised Psyker actually has like
THe least support nodes
Out of all the classes
sterile saddle
I just shoot monstrosities with voidstaff
sterile saddle
The new shriek looks insane
Like.. literally you just run screaming through the map and it will uptime 90%
Use ur sword to charge to 98% and button press.. watch horde fall over
Horde burns to death before it can stand back up
thorn tapir
YOu can also just go full auto on purgatus staff 🙂
still hearth
Warp Charges on AB shout with Purg
sterile saddle
Or does it stack?
sterile saddle
Srsly
naive sedge
I was so right aobut Zealotchat being incomprehensible shitposting.
still hearth
Get toughness for peril
sterile saddle
Not enuff tuff
digital narwhal
Get toughness and move speed for crits too, and with the auto crit Skill-
that can be pretty nuts
sterile saddle
Still going to lose half my hp from that nurgle mon that slipped through the formation and got me.in the back
still hearth
Yeah I want to burn everything
digital narwhal
I was just thinking in general
I wanna try Voidstrike + Assail when the patch drops
sterile saddle
Assail looks.. dumb
still hearth
Yeah but isn't it locked behind Shriek
sterile saddle
Did they post the trees anyhwere?
digital narwhal
Wrack and Ruin with Blazing Spirit Trauma (if the buff is substantial enough) could go hard
sterile saddle
Was hoping they would b pinned
digital narwhal
Its locked behind BB right
Nope
still hearth
Did they post the trees anyhwere?
On reddit
digital narwhal
It’s in the Passives at the beginning
sterile saddle
O ty
willow escarp
Wrack and Ruin with Blazing Spirit Trauma (if the buff is substantial enough) co...
Considering trauma was already S tier I’d imagine it’s gonna be good
fluid knot
Wrack & Ruin proccing just by killing an Elite is huge
Im so hyped for that
fluid knot
Brain knives an WnR
still hearth
Purgatus will literally start to just
fluid knot
So good
still hearth
Pop things
Like crazy
Though Voidstrike seems to be broken busted rn
So you might as well just run that
digital narwhal
Brain knives an WnR <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I might not run WnR for Assail.
I might lean more into the Crit side and become an invincible pest
willow escarp
So you might as well just run that
May as well enjoy it while you can
vestal fulcrum
I wonder how’s the value of Wildfire faring with the currently available sources of Soulblaze
willow escarp
from the footage I saw I’m sure void will get fixed
still hearth
I might not run WnR for Assail.
I might lean more into the Crit side and become ...
Why not both
fluid knot
I might not run WnR for Assail.
I might lean more into the Crit side and become ...
Depends, with Purge crits add two stacks instead of one, if thats true with Assail too... well
digital narwhal
Voidstrike seems like Plasma Gun but with no ammo
still hearth
Voidstrike is what people think Plasma Gun is rn
digital narwhal
Why not both
I did some perusing, and the build I’d want is tight on skill points
I can’t make a sacrifice for WnR
still hearth
Yeah that's pretty rough rn actually
I feel like
I might just not take a keystone
I want too many things
Gonna just go halfway down the tree
Have all the top nodes
fluid knot
Thats probably just as viable
digital narwhal
I’m gonna build into the auto crit on Weakspot, and then the guaranteed EP charge on Elite kill, and then Battle Meditation too, on top of Empathic Evasion.
I could infinitely throw knives and be nigh immune to ranged attacks
still hearth
Then immediately die as soon as a crusher smacks you
sterile saddle
48% bas dmg if u max warp charges
fluid knot
Then immediately die as soon as a crusher smacks you
Sacrifices must be made
digital narwhal
Then immediately die as soon as a crusher smacks you
I got the blicky strapped in too
Voidstrike would smack that bitch silly
still hearth
4% per stack up to 6 stacks.
thorn tapir
6x4=24
sterile saddle
O I have bad eyes thought it sed 8%
still hearth
Tbh Psyker actually has very few damage boosts as well
thorn tapir
Cerebral Lacerations, oh how I will mourne thee.
fresh reef
So hyped for the stupid shit I can do with the toughness talent combos
If my math checks, BB'ing an elite with the right setup restores 35% toughness instantly
lapis bay
Fun fact: if you kill the mob fast enough, the debuff will still feel like it's there
still hearth
30% Warp Damage if you crit.
24% from Warp Charges
20% from Warp Unleashed.
digital narwhal
So hyped for the stupid shit I can do with the toughness talent combos
If my ma...
With EP, yeah?
willow escarp
Cerebral Lacerations, oh how I will mourne thee.
Just attack whatever the ogryn is attacking, for now they have passive CL lol
digital narwhal
So if you use it on an Elite with the guaranteed stack on Elite Kill, then you can just infinitely loop that
Brain Rupture + EP giving Brain Burst +100% damage
and EP also giving it 0 cost and half charge time
thorn tapir
Just attack whatever the ogryn is attacking, for now they have passive CL lol
Yea but I like it to be MY TOY
digital narwhal
thorn tapir
they took it from me and gave it to ogryn
sterile saddle
Still 24% + 20% from warp rider
digital narwhal
I’m still probably gonna run Venting Shriek for the most part
sterile saddle
Yuh
thorn tapir
my tentative day 1 build
fresh reef
and EP also giving it 0 cost and half charge time
Oh does EP give 100% peril reduction? My mistake
thorn tapir
ignore the highlighted paths I used the image from the dev blog.
digital narwhal
Oh does EP give 100% peril reduction? My mistake
+50% Damage
-100% Peril Cost
-50% Charge Time
still hearth
Oh does EP give 100% peril reduction? My mistake
Nah
digital narwhal
for EP BB
still hearth
Its multiplicative I think
thorn tapir
im a little sad the crit aura is mutually exclusive with assail
digital narwhal
Yuh
echo cosmos
Empowered Psionics is never not useful
echo cosmos
Empowered Psionics is never not useful
Because Psyker is always going to be killing Specials and Elites, which can be made to proc EP
digital narwhal
I might run Wildfire + WnR Blazing Trauma with Assail, Crit Aura and True Aim
Crits n’ Soulblaze for dayz
still hearth
It just looks anemic compared to the other options
Since it costs a lot of peril to have up
olive ember
smite apparently is mid
still hearth
It's like 10% per second
digital narwhal
Tbf, the charged damage version looked decent, and someone mentioned that the Psyker streamers might just not be using it all that well
olive ember
assail is broke
echo cosmos
Smite is entirely CC
olive ember
BB is good old reliable
still hearth
Yeah but you can't even CC
digital narwhal
Fireant mentioned a Smiteker topping damage a few times iirc
still hearth
Because it costs so much peril
sterile saddle
Omai.. u can brainburst for free.. ?!
olive ember
I mean from the clips shown smite seems a bit mid
still hearth
Maybe Smite does a billion damage on crits
sterile saddle
Bruuu
digital narwhal
We can do some testing ourselves when it’s out at least
still hearth
olive ember
Yea
digital narwhal
Maybe Smite does a billion damage on crits
Maybe?
olive ember
Tho first things first
still hearth
Seems in line with Surge
digital narwhal
We’ll have to wait and see
olive ember
Ima go with the funny magic knives
echo cosmos
Smite looks fine to me
Its aoe attack stuns an entire horde
restive slate
I heard on release its gonna be a bit different than playtest
digital narwhal
WnR funny knives with Wildfire and a Blazing Trauma
sterile saddle
I guess I won't be going warp charges
still hearth
Warp Charges are probably more for staff users
vestal fulcrum
Smite looks fine to me
Its aoe attack stuns an entire horde
Stun on the horde seems to be the least useful use for it
olive ember
I'm kinda interested in how AB + CDR build is tbh
digital narwhal
Warp Unleashed effects Soulblaze damage, yeah?
still hearth
It should
sterile saddle
It can
sterile saddle
U can chose between 100-200 instant dmg or soul blaze stacks
still hearth
You also get 30% faster quell on that tree
olive ember
keep your peril up and just mass apply stacks of soulblaze?
magic burrow
is there a talent tree builder somewhere?
echo cosmos
It's not like you need to hold the horde or anything else still for long
olive ember
100-200 damage is mid
echo cosmos
Just long enough
sterile saddle
It doesn't effect the dmg of soul blaze it effects the stacks I thi m
olive ember
unless they for wte reason made enemies squishier
200 damage is just enough to kill a groaner
not even enough for a poxwalker
which is 300 hp
fresh reef
So Wrack & Ruin (or whatever they renamed it to) only works on kill again?
Not sure how to feel about that
sterile saddle
Yeah, the soulblaze stacks more efficient imo
sterile saddle
Cause the soulblaze counts as warp kill and gets u charges back
still hearth
Yeah
digital narwhal
Also, apparently Deflector might bump in effectiveness since “Ambushes” are a thing now.
Very sudden attacks from two sides by enemies; not just Poxies, that prevents you from moving in either direction, and apparently very dangerous.
Lots of Elites, tonnes of shooters, lots of Bruisers, etc.
still hearth
Wrack is good now
vestal fulcrum
Not sure how to feel about that
It’s strong
whole oxide
Wrack & Ruin proccing just by killing an Elite is huge
while yes it will be insane, it's also annoying that now if someone else steals the kill, you get nothing, while before you could set everything on fire just by landing BB, no kill needed
willow escarp
WnR seems like a massive buff for sure
sterile saddle
And it can proc 4% chance to insta burdt
fresh reef
Misread the part where it was on any kill. That's fucking nuts
still hearth
while yes it will be insane, it's also annoying that now if someone else steals ...
Idk what games you play where you get to BB things
willow escarp
while yes it will be insane, it's also annoying that now if someone else steals ...
except they stole your kill more with BB lol
sterile saddle
I bb all day
still hearth
I need to barrage just to have a chance to kill anything with BB
And half the time enemies weren't even close enough anyway
sterile saddle
I bb faster than vets can nuke targets
whole oxide
before, you could BB a Reaper in a pack of stuff, and even though it didn't kill, it still proc'd
fresh reef
Hoping and praying to the omnissiah that Kinetic Barrage and Psionics stacks additively
willow escarp
kinetic barrage was buffed too yeah?
still hearth
Hoping and praying to the omnissiah that Kinetic Barrage and Psionics stacks add...
I think people said its multiplicative
fresh reef
125% charge speed 
digital narwhal
Instant BBs
brisk nacelle
Is wildfire still going to be a thing
fresh reef
I hope not
digital narwhal
I saw it in the tree in a video showing off the trees
brisk nacelle
Oh yeah I see it on the list now
whole oxide
what I heard Jsat say was that with BB/BR, there is a hardcoded minimum cast-time, regardless of what buffs you have
still hearth
Though running it without Warp Charges is probably not great
magic burrow
are the new talent trees available somewhere
brisk nacelle
fresh reef
It wasn't before but now it might be
I will not take this wildfire slander, it was and will continue to be good
still hearth
On reddit there's some stuff
olive ember
Hoping and praying to the omnissiah that Kinetic Barrage and Psionics stacks add...
they do but apparently its misleading
brisk nacelle
Idk if that's changed at all.
olive ember
cuz BB has a built in one second "cast time" that doesn't count towards charge speed
so
still hearth
I will not take this wildfire slander, it was and will continue to be good
It wasn't but will be now that it doesn't take up an actual talent slot
olive ember
the overall charge speed is actually slower than what you are lead to believe
its still good but yea
summer prairie
increasing charge speed isn't the same as reducing charge time
olive ember
are the new talent trees available somewhere
uh i can provide you psykers but otherwise prob check reddit
summer prairie
the current kinetic barrage actually does both
plucky flax
It wasn't but will be now that it doesn't take up an actual talent slot
Tru dat wildfire users always lose when they play damnation.
cyan notch
@summer prairie welcome back
olive ember
still hearth
Tru dat wildfire users always lose when they play damnation.
Nah because Psyker is OP
olive ember
wonder if pfhoenix will show up again
plucky flax
summer prairie
hi
olive ember
wildfire disgust
cyan notch
are u gonna play d4 s2
plucky flax
Wildfire only lost to autopistol/bolter vet.
still hearth
Someone just really wants you to take that node
cyan notch
that one is just a fan fav
plucky flax
Must be op.
summer prairie
no, I doubt I'll play more unless there's a big expansion
cyan notch
im gonna see the dev chat and probably play it for a day
fresh reef
They could've done something with it. Like a movement speed buff after quelling for 2 seconds or something
Hilariously that it's still worst in slot when compared to an entire skill tree
still hearth
brisk nacelle
I was going by these 4
echo cosmos
Oh hey!
I wonder if there is another passive that gives free crits
brisk nacelle
A few are missing though.
still hearth
Oh hey!
I wonder if there is another passive that gives free crits
You get 4% crit chance aura
still hearth
And a lot of weapons have crit chance
echo cosmos
You get 4% crit chance aura
I was talking about True Aim
still hearth
Ah
echo cosmos
It was sarcasm
brisk nacelle
Ah yes the description of wildfire is unchanged.
echo cosmos
Another reason to use Smite is that the charged attack blows enemies up from the inside
still hearth
Yeah but is it better or worse than Surge will be
sterile saddle
Does kinetic resonance stack with empowered psionics?
Cuz.. that'd be instant proc
echo cosmos
Yeah but is it better or worse than Surge will be
Surge is being changed entirely to be duo target massive damage zaps
sterile saddle
125% cast reduction
still hearth
Yeah but Smite also does massive damage zap??
knotty sage
Does quell speed from staff apply for quell speed for smite?
echo cosmos
You mostly use smite to stun stuff
left hare
For a surge staff what perk and blessings do i want on it
echo cosmos
And explode things like microwaved popcorn
sterile saddle
No EP is 50% cast reduction and kinetic resonance is 75% faster
So that'd be like 1 second
still hearth
Ah, maybe.
echo cosmos
For a surge staff what perk and blessings do i want on it
Don't make new equipment just yet
There is a patch coming out in about 9 hours
lapis bay
lets goooo
digital narwhal
Should be 20% imo
queen fog
lets goooo
lapis bay
numbers will prolly change
knotty sage
Should be 20% imo
source?
sterile saddle
All staffs want the same thing xD. You want either faster charge time and uninterrupt secondary charge or quell% on kill and crit or flat dmg(just my 2 cents)
fresh reef
imo means in my opinion psy
No dude what's your source for opinion
naive sedge
Himself.
sterile saddle
Lol
naive sedge
Source: The Spirits of my Ancestors revealed this Truth to me in a dream
fresh reef
Smite enfeeble must be changed to 20%, inshallah
still hearth
It should be reduced to 5%
magic burrow
you now have to spec for warp charges?
still hearth
Yeah
magic burrow
thats a lot of damage gone then
still hearth
Well, you get a lot of ways to get damage now
And a ton of weapon buffs
Voidstrike is absolutely nuts
queen fog
Yea keep in mind we’re all gonna have 30 skill points to fuck around with unless u don’t got a maxed character
still hearth
Scriers can give +40% damage if you maintain it
queen fog
Which isn’t uncommon but not too much of a shot in the foot
still hearth
And also confirmed criticals
I wonder if it works with melee
So you can swing once
Get confirmed crit
Do a trauma blast
sterile saddle
Trauma blast?
sterile saddle
Oo
still hearth
For the burn on crit
sterile saddle
My sword does that
still hearth
What weak sword are you using
sterile saddle
Illusi?
whole oxide
if something's close enough for you to hit with a sword, you don't really want to wait 10s for soulblaze to tick down
still hearth
sterile saddle
Dmg is dmg yknow? One less swing ticks even if I need to push and step back, makes second swing a kill
magic burrow
Massive red flags I'm seeing is that a lot of Psyker talents boil down to "you have a chance for X" . That's really bad design.
still hearth
Massive red flags I'm seeing is that a lot of Psyker talents boil down to "*you ...
It's like 3 nodes
magic burrow
not for Veteran. Veteran is just straight up buffs.
still hearth
And a lot of them have ways to get 100% chance
whole oxide
try telling Vet chat that ^^
sterile saddle
Yeah but psy is busted
still hearth
Vets are literally crying on the floor
sterile saddle
XD they think their build worked around volley fire
still hearth
The thing I actually hate the most about the chance thing
Is that Disrupt Destiny
Doesn't say what % chance it is
It just says there's a chance
It seems to be pretty high though
Like 20% or something
magic burrow
The patch releases tonight, yes?
sterile saddle
Lol
still hearth
Yes
sterile saddle
9 hrs
still hearth
sterile saddle
Ish
olive ember
Disgusting
sterile saddle
I'm going to be playing Frankenstein psycher
olive ember
Imagine not running surge staff
still hearth
Tbh I'll probably play Zealot
sterile saddle
It's gunna b not conventional.. probably won't work either
still hearth
For like 400 hours first
still hearth
Voidstrike won't need the CC from lightning I think
still hearth
Are you going to use a staff
limpid lily
wow, just realized this is Sevlar Chem Dogs attire 😮
sterile saddle
It's fast but when ur quelling every 5-6 shots ur team abandons you
naive sedge
Knife runners always abandon me all the time 😦
whole oxide
the difference between moving/quelling with mind in motion vs no mind in motion, when you have staff out, is basically non existant
olive ember
Do you dodge slide with staff while quelling
sterile saddle
Yeah my voidstrike got 2 extra shots on crits
still hearth
Or run Force Sword and back dodge while quelling
sterile saddle
Very excited
still hearth
Yeah my voidstrike got 2 extra shots on crits
You literally should be unable to have to quell
If there's enemies
magic burrow
these are some bigass talent trees
sterile saddle
Name checks out xD
magic burrow
how many points do you get? One per level?
sterile saddle
30
still hearth
how many points do you get? One per level?
Yes
gilded viper
can 6pm happen already i just want to leave from work
sterile saddle
Ur at work?!
gilded viper
Yeah
gilded viper
Taking my 15 so take that
sterile saddle
U get 15 minute breaks?!
whole oxide
60% movespeed buff with duelling-swords is gonna be wild
gilded viper
2 and 1 30min
sterile saddle
😮
I get a 30 min food break but it's more like.. eat on your way back to work break
gilded viper
Oof, out 30min is unpaid and mandatory by law by your 5th hour (can't pass 6th hour without break)
still hearth
60% movespeed buff with duelling-swords is gonna be wild
Psykers are going to dodge off the map
plucky flax
That's rough man. I have 2x 30 mins break and 1h lunch break.
gilded viper
It retail at target so I don't expect anything better from them
plucky flax
You get good discount?
sterile saddle
O I didn't see that
gilded viper
10% but cash only or link it to your red card
gilded viper
And now my store I'd card stop working too so got to fix that
gilded viper
Cash only in 2023.
IKR
plucky flax
I buy a jug of milk and use card to pay at the corner shop.
gilded viper
So fucking dumb, barely about to even use mt discount 98& of the time
Don't carry cash cause I'm too lazy to do payback or atms
gilded viper
breakover
still hearth
Does that increase sulfide dmg?
what
sterile saddle
Soulfire
still hearth
It should
still hearth
I think Purgatus will be a sleeper choice
sterile saddle
What is the crit rate on that?
Is it initial dmg crit or is it every burn proc has crit chance?
Cuz it'd be really nutty if it's shotgun meta
sterile saddle
Probably for the best
echo cosmos
Crits are strong on Purg due to them doubling stack application
proud hinge
Are there any compiled guides/builds out there for the new changes?
hoary cairn
I'm so hyped for the psyker changes he looks so fun to play with the new changes
vestal fulcrum
Are there any compiled guides/builds out there for the new changes?
For Psykers specifically, or in general?
proud hinge
For Psykers specifically, or in general?
For Psykers, yes. I saw The Psyker Atheneum but I'm assuming it's a WIP?
vestal fulcrum
For Psykers, yes. I saw `The Psyker Atheneum` but I'm assuming it's a WIP?
It may be - Ogryn compendium guide writers said that other classes will/might have their guides wrapped up soon, all except for Vet
Don’t take my word for it, though, I’m going off of my wonky memory
proud hinge
gotcha, thank you
vestal fulcrum
There’s supposedly been changes to all the staves, bigger or less
Voidstrike was buffed quite significantly (damage wise, and it also penetrates Bulwark shields, so it deals damage to the Bulwark directly), and so was Trauma to a degree. Purgatus is mostly the same IIRC, and Surge was reworked from being a cc spam staff to single target, short-mid range burst staff
proud hinge
surge seems different
I believe surge staff is single target now
Your lightning fingers replace the old affects of it
magic burrow
Voidstrike was buffed quite significantly (damage wise, and it also penetrates B...
Nice. Voidstrike always seemed a bit of a Plasmagun lite.
sharp forum
I would not mind a Hammer level single target staff
digital narwhal
Fireant mentioned he's willing to make a Psyker guide as long as other people provide the text/write-ups.
magic burrow
Ogryns seem OP as fuck lol
sharp forum
Psyker do not have boss killer item anyway
echo cosmos
It's called force swords
proud hinge
isn't brain rupture supposed to be a boss killer?
echo cosmos
And brain popping
sharp forum
naah
echo cosmos
Um, yea?
sharp forum
compared to others boss killers both dps is very small
echo cosmos
Deimos
echo cosmos
Illisi
sharp forum
low damage on boss
check what others can do with bolter hammer
and do it under pressure...
fresh reef
check what others can do with bolter hammer
You mean the classes that aren't Psyker?
sharp forum
yes
fresh reef
Shocking, that classes with different tools are better at bossing
fresh reef
BB can murk a boss in half a minute, if my math checks
echo cosmos
And the damage buff from EP, and Brain Rupture
sterile saddle
BB meta is gunna be so much fun
I'm at odds with wanting to void staff and BB all day
sterile saddle
If u coordinate u can do like 90% dmg before it even float a up
echo cosmos
I saw a Gun Lugger kill a Daemonhost in 10 seconds.
Ogryns were the best class to get access to the fat boy overclock Frag Bomb
sterile saddle
I liked their grenade box
sharp forum
will veteran keep the team grenade regen?
sterile saddle
When u click inspect you open it up
I think I saw it middle tree
For them
But I heard ogryns can regen grenades too?
Or maybe it was rocks
echo cosmos
Ogryn gets rocks that regenerate
naive sedge
(if you're using the fast charge ult and have stacks laid down, then BB is a boss killer)
sterile saddle
U can even still use it on elites cuz it garuntees a charge on kill
limpid cypress
Rock is based
echo cosmos
Vet can not regen team grenades I don't think
echo cosmos
That's what Rock is for
sterile saddle
They do
sharp forum
be hones will you use rock when you have a NUKE?
echo cosmos
Rock does the same thing as old box, but you get 4 and it regenerates
sterile saddle
5% chance on elite kill
digital narwhal
that is a big nerf for Ogrin...
Not really.
Rock is just better Box now, and it'd be too strong with Frag Bomb.
sterile saddle
Called demolition team
5% on elite/specialist
U gotta be in coherence range tho
magic burrow
what does zealot get? Because stun grenades seem kind of pointless when the ogryn nukes the whole crowd
magic burrow
I want throwing olives
echo cosmos
Zealots got throwing olives
Knives are bad rn