psyker-class

[echo cosmos]

And 40% toughness if you expend max momentum

[upper galleon]

Otherwise it’s pretty standard

[nocturne badge]

Do we know of any changes to the voidstrike staff?

[willow escarp]

extra poxbursters tho

[golden frigate]

meh, ppl will go down to random things in maelstroms, getting +1 life is kinda huge

[teal needle]

Corruption healing even more reason to take no wounds

[golden frigate]

since most dont run extra wounds, getting even a 5% healed after a down is pretty nice

[upper galleon]

Or simply let it heal your corrupted wounds

[echo cosmos]

You can also get +2 wounds from a node as zealot

[upper galleon]

Since wounds just need to not have HP in them to count for martydom

10 wounds zealot incoming

[golden frigate]

only +2 and not +4? sadge

[upper galleon]

Yea i hope wound curios are getting changed at least

[echo cosmos]

That is 5 wounds on 3 down and 4 on 4 and 5

[upper galleon]

Cause martydom caps at 9 but in damnation you can only get 5 extra

3 from curios 2 from the talent

[golden frigate]

yeah and 4 + 3 isn't 9

so, sad times

[echo cosmos]

... okay vet

"10% chance to throw extra grenade"
"50% damage to any nade, 50% radius to smokes instead"

[upper galleon]

Heheh im going to go every nad talent

[echo cosmos]

Vet also regains toughness on ranged kill

[upper galleon]

Boss shows up?

Throw an entire shipment of krak grenades

[echo cosmos]

1% ammo for coherency on elite or specialist kill

[upper galleon]

Apparently kraks kill bulwarks even if you stick it to their shield

[echo cosmos]

Which I think also buffs Plasma to regen more than it shoots

[spiral lion]

vet be chugging those grenade potions from VT2...

[echo cosmos]

"You can carry 1 extra grenade"

And self grenade replenishment still exists

And you can get grenades from ammo crates

[plucky perch]

makes sense kraks in lore are plasma tank busters melts through even 40k super tank metal, even a slab shield wouldnt block it

[fresh reef]

How we feelin' about the replacement for Psykinetic's Wrath?

[plucky perch]

its essentialy the same

[echo cosmos]

And make medipacks CLEANSE CORRUPTION

[upper galleon]

It kills damn crushers with the 50% nade damage talent to

[echo cosmos]

Because you know

[upper galleon]

Teamwide

[echo cosmos]

Vet needed some love too

[upper galleon]

So you don’t even need to drop it

[plucky perch]

think void strikes gonna get a nerd?

[granite mauve]

new zealot can do that for free without medpacks

[plucky perch]

nerf?

[upper galleon]

Im going to love vet

[echo cosmos]

Yea but so can vet

[upper galleon]

Sure you cant shooty rambo tank as well

[echo cosmos]

Void is buffed

[golden frigate]

i'm the void staff nerd what u want

[upper galleon]

And eat sniper shots

[fresh reef]

New damage based on peril sounds interesting, but 200 damage doesn't hit any particular breakpoints I don't think

(imagine if it's affected by armor kek)

[granite mauve]

i have no idea why vet can do it aswell however

[plucky perch]

just lol

[upper galleon]

Why would void strike, the worst staff be nerfed

[golden frigate]

ok, lol

[teal needle]

Smoke bomb vet honestly sounds fun. Although redundant with psyker shields, will need to be ready to swap

[echo cosmos]

Voidstrike is literally being buffed

[upper galleon]

Yea i hope it is

I think you could go a voidstrike transfer peril build

With scriers gaze

[plucky perch]

no no not mocking, you made me laugh, i learned thenew buffed void strike when fully charged can two shot a crusher, i was wondering if that would get nerfed

[upper galleon]

If you played really well

[echo cosmos]

I don't think it will he redundant. Soft cover ≠ hard cover

[indigo portal]

With what I've seen new Voidstrike do it might get nerfed between preview build and the live patch.

Might though. It's possible it becomes a standard.

[golden frigate]

ok

[echo cosmos]

Counter fire still exists, but the duration of the ability cannot be extended

[plucky perch]

change the two shot break point veruses crushers into 3, and veruses high health eleites from one to two?

[echo cosmos]

Voice Of Command modifiers are NOT mutually exclusive

[plucky perch]

then again i think the buffed void strikle still has about a two and a half second charge time

[echo cosmos]

You can now revive people and give them toughness

[plucky perch]

at slowest

[echo cosmos]

Darcy can stop whining about Vet nerfs

Vet is still strong as all hell

[plucky perch]

i hope illis gets a free swing or two for its special

[echo cosmos]

Yea literally no vet ability modifiers are exclusive, something only vet has

[willow escarp]

oh nice

thats good the volley fire extension was dumb as hell

[upper galleon]

Thought there was a 5 second extender

[willow escarp]

whenever i played vet i would stay in counterfire for over a minute several times a match lol

unwavering focus is gone as well?

[upper galleon]

Option on ES (new VF)

UF is gone

But vet gets some base DR options and DR above 75% toughness option

[echo cosmos]

Let me read this for you

"Critical hits with las-weapons consume no ammo"

[plucky perch]

i thought i clicked on psyker chat... back to oggy chat i flee!

[upper galleon]

Still las weapons xd

[echo cosmos]

You did, we are just oggling all of the skill trees

[compact bluff]

it looks like bleed DoT got a bit of a change
looking at JTC's video, 6 stacks from the shredder grenade causes maniacs to bleed for 69 damage when 12 stacks now only causes them to bleed for 38 per tick

so vet shredder nades might be actually really good, same with bleed knives

[plucky perch]

im just bein a gremlin

[echo cosmos]

Also vet can have suppression immunity

[upper galleon]

Good for em but i dont use las

[willow escarp]

bleed is buffed yes

[indigo portal]

This talent will single handedly double the fast firing recon ammo capacity.

Very cool.

[echo cosmos]

Yep

[upper galleon]

Double ammo capacity

[echo cosmos]

Oh and +25% ammo, at the very bottom of a tree, so vets no longer have approximately 600 shots

[upper galleon]

Still cant kill anything

[indigo portal]

Twice as many shots to kill everything with

[plucky perch]

from what i understand about dificulty spikes presented in the new patch damnation is still the highest i will ever go, DEFINITELY not touching auric or mealstrom

[upper galleon]

It feels great to use i must be dealing a ton of damage

[echo cosmos]

Twice as many shots to miss

[upper galleon]

It is like they are idiot proofing recon las gun builds

[indigo portal]

Why are you missing with a Recon.

[upper galleon]

Oh free rending, free ammo, and extra crit chance

[upper galleon]

Pub vets

[echo cosmos]

Or. Those are very far down on trees. They aren't literally exclusive, but they may as well be

[upper galleon]

I wouldnt be shocked if they buffed fire like they buffed bleed so infernus is good too

[plucky perch]

is vets ammo passive still 40%+?

[upper galleon]

I think i could stretch and grab both

[echo cosmos]

They aren't hard coded exclusive, but the points needed to get many of them needs some hard choices

Like not grabbing all grenade perks

[teal needle]

Making multiple builds viable is less idiot proofing and more making a good game

[upper galleon]

Gonna be hard but it didnt look impossible

Grenade talents tho look easy to all get

[indigo portal]

It's a skill you need to grab. I think it was split up to multiple skills, haven't thoroughly looked through the trees yet though.

[upper galleon]

That would be more true if recon las vets werent the butt of jokes in discord

[plucky perch]

was asking cause still slightly salty gun lugger gets only 25%

[indigo portal]

Gun Lugger doesn't really need more than 25%.

[upper galleon]

Hahah funny recon vet shooting a crusher for 2 damage a shot

Gunluggers can get can opener

[plucky perch]

does gunker get any ammo buffs? or is assail ment to help make up for this?

[upper galleon]

Or shattering impact

[teal needle]

Shiny flashlight raves though. i haven't used a lasgun besides mk12 in 6 months

[indigo portal]

You already shit out damage. Constantly. Ogryn has some absurd damage values and Gun Lugger gets some crazy buffs for those weapons. 25% is nuts to top it off with.

[teal needle]

Flashlight gunker might be funny though, id try it

[echo cosmos]

Yea ogryn guns have lots of ammo to start with

[upper galleon]

You run scriers but i didnt see any ammo buffs

Might just have to hope for a vet with 1% ammo aura or yoink some packs

[indigo portal]

Pskyer has unlimited usage blitz abilities, I think that's supposed to make up for the lack of bonus ammo.

[plucky perch]

im aware they dont NEED more especialy combined with their 5-8%no bullet consumption keystone.... but i still feel stiffed as some one who trys to prioritize ammo to vets and zealotus EVEN when they usualy suck with thier guns

[plucky perch]

yeah thats what i figured but was askin

[upper galleon]

Zealots dont get ammo prio

We are tied and sometimes even below gunkers

[plucky perch]

they do from me, their guns handle non clumped shooter patrols better then my point blank ripper

[upper galleon]

That might change with more range talents but rn no

[echo cosmos]

Support Zealot is a ranged weapon user

[upper galleon]

We just go along with vet ammo regen

[plucky perch]

i do yoink their ammo when theyre the type of zealout poink blank firing into groups of 2 groaners though

[indigo portal]

With the update ammo priority is gonna be based on build. Vets don't need a shitload of ammo if they're running stealth, they do big burst damage and have melee stuff tied in for example.

If you have 3 non-ammo reliant builds and a Glugger, Glugger is glugging the ammo.

[plucky perch]

gluggewr has spread to psyker chat

i love this

[upper galleon]

Ammo prio was always vet (who prints ammo for the team) then ogryn with their power weapons, then zealot and gunker at the bottom

[teal needle]

Gluggers and gunkers

[upper galleon]

Gunlots

[plucky perch]

but yeah i tedn to play suport minded exsclusively and only ever pulled out my gun to melt eleites already ontop of or about to be ontop of a allie

and while i want o MAIN glugger, i suspect i wiill CTUALY feel guilty yoinking ammo

[echo cosmos]

I am going to run support psyker likely

[plucky perch]

so forcefield?

witch blitz?

[zinc phoenix]

I’m gonna make domes

[echo cosmos]

Bio lightning and double shield

[zinc phoenix]

Not because I think domes are good

[teal needle]

I think I've decided on stagger walls

[zinc phoenix]

But because random dome lmao

[plucky perch]

i wanna like the biolightning i realy do, but the game play i saw for it took 5 seconds to pop a single chaff head

[indigo portal]

Gunlets.

[zinc phoenix]

“I see you are fighting a pox walker, here is a dome for you”

[echo cosmos]

Zeaguns

[zinc phoenix]

Revolver zealot is already a gun god

Is it legal to make them more gooder?!

[indigo portal]

It's more of a CC tool. It's not a horde clear tool.

[plucky perch]

oooh revolvers super good on zealout gunker and vet IF they got the skill

[teal needle]

It's cc. Just for turning baddies off

[indigo portal]

Use it to stun some elites and pop them with the primary attack.

[zinc phoenix]

Aim assist game skill 🤔

[echo cosmos]

Charged elite explosion and horde tickle

[plucky perch]

nah ive seen good ones its some what obvious when theyre usuing controler

orr... does mouse and keyboard have head based aim assist too??

[zinc phoenix]

From what I’ve seen yes

Otherwise these vets would be hitting dick all lmao

Also i headshot way more here than in squad

[teal needle]

I honestly might go into this patch with voidstrike assail walls and empower

Just to see if it works

[echo cosmos]

Assail is cool though, definitely would use it on a second build

[upper galleon]

Im going surge assail deimos

And going all in on empowered keystone

[orchid venture]

so the new Smite power kinda seems like, perpetual shock staff? did shock staff get a rework, or is it just like, a different way to get the same CC power?

[teal needle]

Surge / smite actually seems fun now too

[upper galleon]

Surge is more damage focused now

[teal needle]

Two targets, high dps for surge now

[plucky perch]

surge is a single target delete

[upper galleon]

Especially vs armor

Smite is more cc stunlock like surge

[orchid venture]

ooooooo very good...

[plucky perch]

er two target delete

[zinc phoenix]

It’s good that they’ve added palpatine mode

[upper galleon]

I do have a question

[orchid venture]

I'd love to get my hands on those patch notes...

[zinc phoenix]

I wish we could rename our characters

[upper galleon]

How far away can you target with assail right click

[zinc phoenix]

Because I’d definitely rename to palpatine and go full zap

[upper galleon]

Like could i use it vs a sniper

[upper galleon]

You can

[still hearth]

Yes.

[echo cosmos]

Yea that's definitely the main use

[upper galleon]

Surge and smite are different enough

[zinc phoenix]

I not pay money for that 😂

[upper galleon]

Use your 5th character slot

[zinc phoenix]

Reee

[upper galleon]

Make palpatine

[zinc phoenix]

The grind is real

[upper galleon]

I thought the main use was horde thinning and shooter clearing

For assail

[echo cosmos]

For yhe secondary fire

[upper galleon]

Ahh i see

[zinc phoenix]

Maybe with some I will finally be able to save my suicidal teammates

[upper galleon]

Hmm how well is their tracking

Say vs a fleeing dog or trapper

[echo cosmos]

Secondary fire locks onto a specific targets head

Primary fire is just launching projectiles with a sort of "smart lock"

[upper galleon]

So i dont have to worry about them being juked especially if i right click target

[orchid venture]

wait hol on... in this vid their psyker has 230ish health, 134 toughness. I didn't realize that changes were that extensive, my mans beefed up

[teal needle]

Aka LUMBERFOOTS

[upper galleon]

Waystalker mains signaling in the shadows

So the elf haters wont come

[teal needle]

Vets are the elves of dt2, you can't change my mind

[echo cosmos]

No it isn't quite as precise or strong as Waystalker ult

[compact bluff]

you gotta specifically beef up though, psyker by default starts with less than 100 toughness now

at least, every bit of psyker gameplay ive seen has been sub 100 toughness

[upper galleon]

Doesnt need to be

[zinc phoenix]

LUMBAAAAAAARRRFUUUUUUTTTTTZZZZZ

[echo cosmos]

Think they know how to aim
Can't aim
Talk about how they miss their home
Are cocky assholes

Confirmed

[upper galleon]

For the Weave!

[lapis bay]

If I get called a mayfly one more time, heads may fly

[upper galleon]

Mayfly

[teal needle]

Bow before your queen!!1

[lapis bay]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-computer-mad-angry-gif-18413956748387057285

[echo cosmos]

Yes, I am throwing Shade

[upper galleon]

Idk i like kerillian

[echo cosmos]

So do I but she is fun to bash

[zinc phoenix]

But you could be throwing dome

[upper galleon]

Hahah trauma elf who will outlive everyone she cares about

Makes me wanna hug her

[echo cosmos]

Unless her goddess turns her into a raging monster

In which case she won't

[upper galleon]

Also kruber nailing saltz with a rock

[zinc phoenix]

Good plan, gets you in close for the shank

[upper galleon]

Made me laugh in the short story they released

[echo cosmos]

Because elf gods are about as kind as Gork or Mork

[lethal lagoon]

Any psyker mains mind copy and pasting me your mod order lists? 🙏

[teal needle]

You can draw a straight line from kerillian to the end of the world

Literally all her fault

[plucky perch]

ok smite does more damage then i thought, the video i saw it in was just a bit deceptive as the same problem with current surge exists a stun locked enemy is an insta kill for any ally XD

[echo cosmos]

She kills rats
Rats ended the world
World ending is jer fault

[upper galleon]

Only the vermintide in that one specific area

[lapis bay]

That's the whole point of it sadly, right now it's just a CC layup

[upper galleon]

But that is cause elven prophecies are cocks

[lethal lagoon]

Smite is a replacement for BB right, so it should be pretty strong to be worth changing.

[echo cosmos]

It is very strong

[lapis bay]

Yeah, but BB gets a damage boost with a cast time reduction too

[teal needle]

Naw she inadvertantly caused nuln to fall, a pretty big turning point in the fight v chaos

[undone fossil]

But smite can pop enemies like baloons

[plucky perch]

was saying i killed a bit more effeicnelt then i MYSELF thought. im aware its main use is setting up enemies for easy kills i was under the assumption it was useless for kills

[echo cosmos]

Smite sacrifices damage for CC

[lethal lagoon]

I guess it depends on your team comp, but I'm struggling to see a better alternative to BB focus, esp since Vets seems to be getting nerfed.

[undone fossil]

So it’s just a better version of what surge staff used to be

[upper galleon]

Also I’m pretty sure even if Kerillian didnt kill 2 regiments, the vermintide would still happen, it would just take a few more days

[spark fractal]

Smite has two modes, a charge and release damage mode, and a channeled CC mode, we’re mostly seeing the CC mode in videos

[echo cosmos]

Vets are NOT getting nerfed

[upper galleon]

Vets are getting nerfed but being buffed in other areas and new ways

[plucky perch]

nah vets are getting idiot proofed

[upper galleon]

Because they were the strongest class in the game

[upper galleon]

That to

[echo cosmos]

The charged damage isn't that high.

Its good but not horribly bad

[echo cosmos]

Yea don't listen to what Darcy says, she is a troll

You can watch videos that show off all of the trees

And the vet tree is both extensive and full of passives

[upper galleon]

Darcy is doomer posting cause they non stopped rambo vet with shredder pistol

And don’t even know how to melee anymore

[plucky perch]

i was just miffed that the smite i looked forward to the most was aparently one note and usless outside of that note unlike bb witch will heavy cc a target for a moment or two for the few it DOESNT insta kill

[echo cosmos]

Smite isn't bad?

Smite is extremely strong

[upper galleon]

Surge staff ate the damage

[echo cosmos]

It just isn't a damager

[plucky perch]

now i know i can pop low health heads reliably in addition to focusing on group cc

[teal needle]

This patch isn't gonna stop me from nobraining shredder pistol because i can't read

[echo cosmos]

Smite doesn't kill well, but it does massive stagger

[spark fractal]

Homing shards doing way more damage than I thought they would though, the bounce is so nice, the killfeeds with like 5 gunners dead all at once, man, that makes me feel things

[echo cosmos]

You know the plague tree mission? A single psyker can stop an entire horde with one continuous zap

[undone fossil]

I expect shards to be nerfed for the live version

[lapis bay]

Exactly this

[spark fractal]

I think if you have a pinning / blazing shredder it’ll still be good, it just won’t be 150% as good as other auto guns

[echo cosmos]

Shards aren't that bad, from what I could tell

[lapis bay]

The CD is crazy quick, it feels like it'll get nerfed hour 1

[echo cosmos]

They have a 2 second cooldown unless you take the cooldown perk

[knotty sage]

I want to know as well

[upper galleon]

Bro wtf is apple airplay

[echo cosmos]

And there is good reason to take the non cooldown perk

[plucky perch]

i thought it was a one second cool down?

[undone fossil]

Milk and cookies murdered like 10 gunners + other enemies with them off screen and he didn’t even go down in ammo of them

[lethal lagoon]

Smite just feels like... there's something more useful you could be doing instead of using Smite.

[teal needle]

God emprah please let voidstrike be op tomorrow. Let it have 15 minutes of glory

[upper galleon]

That pop up scared me i was reading twitter

[spark fractal]

But you also get charges back for kills, and they score so many kills

[echo cosmos]

True

But they also cost a lot of peril to use

[spark fractal]

That’s why I want to pair them with guns rather than staves

[echo cosmos]

M&C blew themselves up in that video

[upper galleon]

Lucky i was looking at memes

[echo cosmos]

So you definitely have to manage peril

[spark fractal]

Like a good revolver will pick up the slack and take care of carapace enemies

[upper galleon]

Do people really airdrop and airplay shit

[teal needle]

Go vent and just dump 20 assails at once

[spice veldt]

on the other hand, empowered psionics with a charge per elite kill

[echo cosmos]

So will surge

[spark fractal]

Surge costs peril, revolvers don’t, and have longer range

[upper galleon]

Empowered assail has no cost

[echo cosmos]

Surge is probably better due to its damage against carapace

Crushers when they see me with the rectangle staff

[spark fractal]

It does have the added utility of venting fast and it’s good vs bulwark too

So many options now

[echo cosmos]

(they are being turned to Ogryn sized popcorn by my staff)

Ironically, irl a crusher would be immune to electricity, because the metal grounds them

[undone fossil]

Surge will probably pair best with dome, pop down the shield to protect the team and stunlock anything that tries to enter while your team mates murder everything

[echo cosmos]

The electricity would go through the metal and not touch the crusher

[spark fractal]

Just the old build of Brain Burst with Shriek will do so much more now, BB has like 50% more damage built in, Shriek can clear hordes now

[echo cosmos]

Shriek could always clear hordes

[spark fractal]

Not with like 4 stacks of burn or whatever, that’s not a lot of burn

[echo cosmos]

Its just easier now

Its 6 stacks now

[spark fractal]

Well and doing up to 200 damage

That part helps

[echo cosmos]

Or doing up to 200 damage

They are exclusive

[spark fractal]

Damage now would be far better than burn later

[teal needle]

Pretty sure you can get bb to like 2-3x what you could before with all the whacky talents we're getting

[echo cosmos]

Fun fact! Psyker is the only one with upgradable blitzes

[echo cosmos]

Not with wildfire

Which still exists

And you can still get warp charges from soulblaze if you go down the warp charge keystone route

[spark fractal]

10%? Meh, warp charges seem skippable now with how tasty the rest of the tree looks

[echo cosmos]

That is how AB was before

[spark fractal]

‘dem keystones

[echo cosmos]

And its still strong

[spark fractal]

I think the disrupt destiny one is probably the weakest, and it’s still not bad

[echo cosmos]

You still get more damage, AND Warp Battery is no longer exclusive on the warp charge keystone buffs

[lethal lagoon]

I lvled in beta basically doing pure BB, being able to potentially run an actual BB build is hnng.

[echo cosmos]

So basically not +20%
It's more +28% (which is pretty good)

[spark fractal]

Pure blitz build, shards and smite look great too

Psykers eating good

[echo cosmos]

Psykers getting 2 primaries and a melee

[spice veldt]

only problem is that quicken is the default behavior of warp charges

[echo cosmos]

I am pretty sure psyker was designed to be able to go pure blitz

[echo cosmos]

Dont all 3 lvl 30 feats eat warp charges now?

[thorn cedar]

nah

KB doesnt

[spark fractal]

And either a horde clear, self buff, or massive group utility

[echo cosmos]

Ah

[thorn cedar]

which to me is the biggest benefit it has, not that the faster BBs are bad or anything

but i detest dumping all of my bonus damage in a high stress scenario

[echo cosmos]

I think it is worthwhile with how fast AB + wildfire regained it (especially with Purgatus)

And it is now easier to get warp charges

It is any elite kill and they last 25 seconds

Although I would probably use the middle one because my psyker is not going to be built for damage, but support

And the other two are mostly damage

[fast swan]

i havent seen any scrier's gaze vids yet

does anyone have a vid

i wanna see if its as crazy as it looks

also is there a "WITNESS YOUR DOOM" voiceline?

[upper galleon]

Destiny is obv melee/gunker oriented

Like how scriers is

Could see some sick horde clear with scrier destiny and battle meditation

[spice veldt]

disrupt destiny is not to be underestimated either

potentially +30% damage, +30% crit dmg, and +75% weakspot dmg

[upper galleon]

Like in hi auric and maelstroms you could probably maintain it infinitely

Or enough for 100% uptime effectiveness

[spice veldt]

do the stacks decay one-by-one or all at once, if anyone has seen gameplay with it?

[digital narwhal]

Nuts with Assail.

Empowered Psionics would let you spam Assail more.
Disrupt Destiny would get you a lot more out of each cast.

[teal needle]

Some people buy into the gunker bad meme way too earnestly lol

[digital narwhal]

[upper galleon]

Hmm i figured empower would be better cause of just sending more out

[spice veldt]

yeah disrupt destiny for more of a hybrid quick-swap build

[upper galleon]

For free

[spice veldt]

EP for spamming assails

[digital narwhal]

DD Assail for Gunkers imo

Quick swap spam

[upper galleon]

But I’m also planning to spam it yee i see what you mean

[digital narwhal]

swap back to Gun

[spice veldt]

yeah i peg EP assail as probably the brainless build

[upper galleon]

Kinda bummed i dont remember seeing wildfire

[spice veldt]

coincidentally, i'll be going tor EP assail over DD assail

[upper galleon]

And no soulblaze talents outside the abilities we run already

[spice veldt]

wildfire is one of the nodes under the leftmost aura iirc

[digital narwhal]

Same tbh

[upper galleon]

Huh

[digital narwhal]

I'll be running EP Assail with Voidstrike and Duelling Sword 5

[upper galleon]

I remember wrack and ruin to be any elite or special kill i like that

[spice veldt]

ikr

crab remarked on it being absolutely busted

[upper galleon]

I’m running EP deimos surge assail

Gonna get battle meditation and fucking spam

[spice veldt]

i'm gonna run crab's build of MK IV duellies, assail, Ep, and gun

[willow escarp]

AB build is way stronger now I think

[indigo portal]

W&R Assail seems to be the go to combo. Still planning on running that busted BR build that I'm scouting.

Chaining back to back 1 shots with BR at 0 peril cost and fast charge speed sounds fun.

[upper galleon]

Also gonna try a scriers destiny vraks 7 HH

[digital narwhal]

I might avoid W&R, and go for a full crit build for my Assail Psyker tbh

[upper galleon]

Cause the god emperor gifted me with a no respite opening salvo one for free

[compact bluff]

crit devil claw build as it is now is DEAD
CRUEL CRUEL FATSHARK

[spice veldt]

i'm blanking on what BR is

OH brain rupter

aosijoafnaf

[indigo portal]

Brain rup

[spice veldt]

god dmanit

[indigo portal]

ture

[spice veldt]

can't believe we have to use BR instead of BB now

[indigo portal]

Inject Battle Royales into your enemies heads for 50% more damage.

[spice veldt]

fits surprisingly well

[indigo portal]

My biggest concern taking Assail is the presumably poor anti-Ogryn coverage. With current BB you can stagger a Bulwark open then just beat em up, can't do that with Assail.

[shell radish]

hows the staff

[teal needle]

Imagine the horror of someone streaming fortnite directly into your brain before offing you

[shell radish]

not really sure what blessings/perks I should go for with the surge force

[teal needle]

Death will come as a mercy

[lapis bay]

That's how they condition eversors for deployment. "You are heading in to get back at that player that fragged you and said gglol"

[indigo portal]

Warp Flurry/Warp Nexus. Not sure about perks, most likely +Maniac/Crit or +Crit/Flak.
It'll change tomorrow to a single target staff, and it'll have completely different damage modifiers so I would just keep that staff as is until tomorrow.

[willow escarp]

yeahhh I’d wait til tmrw on a surge staff

[teal needle]

Yeah don't screw with blessings today, might as well wait

[spice veldt]

the charge rate is a shame on it

[teal needle]

Less than 23 hours

( @ exhil )

[shell radish]

ah kk

[teal needle]

Yeah i would scrap that one eventually lol. I doubt charge rate is going to be a dump stat on sparky staff even after the rework. But you can use it for a bit

[shell radish]

I didnt know it was going to change tommorow

[teal needle]

Honestly i am guessing a bad charge rate surge will be better tomorrow than today haha. At last tomorrow it will supposedly kill things in one charge

[willow escarp]

Everything changes tmrw

[teal needle]

The fire nation is attacking, isn't it

[teal needle]

I just thought you should know

[lunar hollow]

bullbutcher wins the abbreviation war

[spice veldt]

god damnit

well i'm never using BR again anyways

[lunar hollow]

AB scaling on peril is hot

but psyker is probs gonna be one of the last classes i mess around with

[humble star]

Does Psyker keep the damage passives that were buffed awhile ago? Or is oneshotting everything with the Deimos no longer going to be a thing.

[lunar hollow]

im goin all in on squad leader bb

[spice veldt]

:(

not a psyker main

get out of here

[teal needle]

My vet is going commando

[teal needle]

Haven't figured out what tree i want to pick with them though

[lunar hollow]

ill do what i want

u colonized zealot chat first

[fresh reef]

Would it be an overreaction to say that new Voidstrike is on par with Bolter Vet?

[teal needle]

Until more people get their hands on it almost certainly

[whole oxide]

Very rough transcription of the tree previewed on youtube:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1StViPhNvVsY5r4tMuREiC2VTEnbQCc_3ABMyGJ-NRk4/edit?usp=sharing

[upper galleon]

that is indeed rough

[lapis bay]

At least someone did it, thanks mate

[whole oxide]

it'll probably be invalid in 24 hours, so, not going to put more effort in

[upper galleon]

but thank you

[cyan portal]

Can you confirm, blocking with peril is gone?

[whole oxide]

its still there

i think everything is still there in some form, although some have been split up or combined with other things

[harsh urchin]

oh man

psyker staves seem like they're gonna be fun to play with

so glad i actually rolled decent ones

even if i didn't enjoy the current state of them

[cyan portal]

oh just spotted it, all good

[broken quail]

Empathic evasion = a better ghost? Will suppression still build if you are counted as nonstop dodge though?

[humble star]

All the damage buffs aren't going to be taken at the same time like in the past though If I'm seeing this right

RIP Deimos oneshots

[idle aurora]

Psyker shield stops muties

Holy shit

lmao

[spice veldt]

yeah you can still be suppressed when in a dodge state

[broken quail]

I suppose it wont matter with high ROF guns that will really take advantage of the crits

[autumn smelt]

im having to watch for small details in gameplay footage to notice changes arent directly tied with the new abilities (and since the people talking in the videos dont actually elaborate the changes that theyre referencing) and i noticed that the surge staff this guy was using was charging way faster than normal, and i looked at his buff list and realized that warp flurry has been changed

its no longer in succession, but rather a stacking buff with an expiring timer

similar to slaughterer

so you can actually take a sec to quell while warp flurry remains active

https://youtu.be/5YDMoqhOZqI?si=wMpME3RFLW0h4L2J&t=596

timestamped

actually now that i think about it, its a great change for every staff

except purgatus

youd likely expire the timer before you have a chance to start charging again if you fully charged it up

so either its not worth it on that staff anymore or youd just have to do shorter charges to make use of it

[digital narwhal]

Or you could just still use it like you do on the live build.

[warm latch]

anyone have any modpack recommendations?

[teal needle]

As someone who thinks purg is already overshadowed i feel like it's gonna be even more so post patch

[fresh reef]

Likely

I'm going to run it anyway because shooting blue fire out of your hands is fucking cool, and downright effective

[broken quail]

Is it possible to quell during scriers gaze? I'm guessing not since otherwise it'd be too easy to maintain

[teal needle]

Pretty sure you can

[analog agate]

What blessings and perks do you think we should go for? I have never used a ds haha

[lethal lagoon]

Oh god, Psyker literally looking too good. Prepare for some 4 psyker pubs on patch release.

[broken quail]

Maybe mind in motion will be useful then, it's right on the path to scriers gaze

quell anytime possible and swap to gun when enemies show up

[whole oxide]

well, pre-patch, it was Uncanny Strike, and then either Shred or Rampage, with +Maniac and then whatever

'cos DS was all about crits/weakspots

if it still works the same way, you'd probably want to take all the +crit traits

[autumn smelt]

i think that quelling during scriers gaze balanced out by the fact that youd likely be using it in more tense situations to nuke something or clear out a lot of things, so in times where youd want to keep it up for longer youd have a more difficult time quelling

ofc if youre just really good at movement and positioning, you can make that way less of an issue

[analog agate]

I just saw a brief view of J_sat and he was using precog on it. Interesting

[whole oxide]

unless they've changed how Precog and Reposte work, they're really not good

[autumn smelt]

psykers are kinda getting a fuck ton of crit so im not surprised
they might have buffed precog too as well

[teal needle]

I hope they made precog last like 2x as long

It's barely up even when you're dodging shit left and right

[vast hare]

The idea is that you can and should in order to manage the buff. You need it for like 30s to get it to max buff anyways

[tropic lagoon]

Is there a picture of the whole psyker tree?

[broken quail]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1StViPhNvVsY5r4tMuREiC2VTEnbQCc_3ABMyGJ-NRk4/edit?pli=1#gid=1657664156

[tropic lagoon]

ty

are the upgrades coming off each blitz mutually exclusive?

like for Assail, you can only choose ethereal shards OR quick shards?

[spice veldt]

both are possible

[tropic lagoon]

Damn

I like this

[fluid girder]

Typical Psker-Slop uniform, thought he looked pretty cool in it at least

[honest frigate]

i like that armor especially

was it in the premium shop?

[analog agate]

It is now +60% finesse dmg after dodge for 2 sec

[hollow current]

https://i.imgur.com/IJCKLKe.jpg +240% bonus xp on a malice mission

[honest frigate]

Bonus XP should really be something else for the lvl 30s

i want experience as a mission reward to still mean something

[vast hare]

xp still does stuff, it gives you more emperors rewards

each time you get a full "level" worth of XP you get a free thingy

[spice veldt]

it's per-mission, not per level up

[honest frigate]

nuh uh

[vast hare]

I thought for sure that was how it worke

cuz I would get stuff every time I leveled when I did initially, so just assumed that's how it worked

[honest frigate]

you get emperors reward for finishing a mission

[hollow current]

when he hits 3 curios im gonna try and pull him through a damnation power core mission

[gilded viper]

Whatcha think? Swap barrage and maniac?

[vast hare]

dont do that actually

saw video of new gameplay for surge

it's turning into a high damage single-target stick

[gilded viper]

I'm aware

[vast hare]

you basically lightning bolt someone and it blows em up

[viral solstice]

btw

[vast hare]

So keep Maniac and it'll blow up muties

[viral solstice]

i had a nervous breakdown about how bad voidstrike was for 2 hours on a sunday morning and they had it reworked by the evening

[honest frigate]

really? That kinda... sucks, no?

[viral solstice]

im a soldier respect my sacrifice

[honest frigate]

Lighting is meant to fucking SPREAD between targets

why are they changing it

[vast hare]

Since BB can be swapped for other stuff, you'll need a new single target solution

[honest frigate]

i dont even main surge, im still annoyed

[gilded viper]

Surge is damage now, since Smite is CC

[vast hare]

because current Surge is becoming a selectable swap for BB

[honest frigate]

even Smite doesnt spread that much

seeing the vids of it

[vast hare]

its a buildup

you have to hold it, but it'll hold down entire hordes

saw a guy doing it on the extract faze

phase*

[whole oxide]

ooo, Riposte is 6s now, might actually be worth

[vast hare]

would just hold a charge on the dreg horde while the allies ran

[viral solstice]

can dodge ranged attacks to trigger it

[honest frigate]

hope its true then

[gilded viper]

Soo, which damages do I think I want for a Surge?

[honest frigate]

all

[whole oxide]

shred, riposte, scriers, perk, traits, looking at around 80% crit chance, giving effective invulnerability to ranged with empathic evasion, is pretty wild

[gilded viper]

If you had to pick 2, above all else, which would you pick?

[knotty sage]

Does smite generate peril with both attacks? Is smite a warp attack?

[broken quail]

yes, it'd be kinda odd if it wasn't

[gilded viper]

@spice veldt If you're on, I got a surge staff with +Carapace & +Maniac, I can only replace one. Which do you think I should change?

[olive ember]

you are asking the surge staff hater for his opinion on surge staff

I can't believe it

honestly gotta see what its like tmrw

[spice veldt]

unfortunately 90% of my brain is filled with trauma & illisi

as long as you have flurry + nexus as your blessings, I'd say wait for the patch to drop

[gilded viper]

it was a shot in the dark

I just unlocked lvl 4 nexus for surge

10/10 luck

[spice veldt]

pro skill

[nocturne badge]

what do?

i'm thinking either shred 4 or unstable power 4, and flak or maniac replacing groaner damage

[broken quail]

Are the 4 starting toughness talents mutually exclusive? It'd be a tough choice between crit hit toughness and the path to battle meditation, but stacking toughness regen seems overpowered af

[gilded viper]

Can't go wrong with Flak

[gilded viper]

Afaik toughness talents aren't locked when 1 is chosen, course that means less damage nodes, and since it's at the bottom of the tree, potentially the loss of a keystone

[harsh urchin]

keep blessings, replace both perks

Though maybe wait until the patch tomorrow and see what changes

[spice veldt]

yeah you can take all of the toughness feats

[nocturne badge]

i've replaced the groaner with maniac, i'll see what i feel like after tomorrows update

might heeheehoohoo shred on there for crit

[broken quail]

That great, crit gunpsyker build can take crit hit toughness regen without having to take warp damage bonus

[harsh urchin]

Crit is kinda shit in current state

Would recommend waiting

And seeing if the numbers get changed

[spice veldt]

+20% crit per stack headhunter + true aim wink wink

[broken quail]

Psyker can seem to get 9% passive crit chance and 20% from sciers gaze, equip a recon las with or without crit perk and you got insane regen. Not to mention all the finese damage psyker gets making it slightly more viable

[harsh urchin]

The problem isnt crit chance lol

Its the numbers are just ass atm

Iirc recon and autopistol get like 14% more dmg

[spice veldt]

you can infer from crab's comment on the vrak 3 dealing 15k plogryn DPS that something funky is happening with the headhunter rifles, and it may pertain with a certain blessing combo

[broken quail]

falter no respite?

[viral solstice]

in that build some weapons have finesse tweaks

[harsh urchin]

Finesse tweaks?

Did the finesse numbers get buffed?

[viral solstice]

but also things like hand-cannon: 80% rending on crit with the new rending calculation is a little deranged

on individual weapons yes

like headhunters

[harsh urchin]

How does rending get calculated now

[viral solstice]

10% rending = 0.1 improvement vs that armour type up to 1.0, then 25% of that improvement

applies to maniac, unyielding, flak, carapace

[harsh urchin]

Ah i see so are we seeing some interesting crit + weakspot multipliers

[viral solstice]

uncanny is 24% per stack 5 stacks

[harsh urchin]

With the new hh

[viral solstice]

deadly accurate is 100%

crit weakspot damage

but who knows what the coming weeks may bring.,..

[potent echo]

Venting shriek is like

really strong

[viral solstice]

SHOUT! SHOUT! LET IT ALL OUT!

[potent echo]

Goodbye scrier purge

Unless?

[viral solstice]

u can do either with purg really, scrier is more sketchtown with void but the stuff on the scrier side is very nazty

count as dodging to ranged for 1s on crit for example...

[potent echo]

Crits giving you ghost seems really

Yea

[viral solstice]

also 5% toughness per crit

with no icd

moderately deranged

[potent echo]

Shooters? More like

[wide sequoia]

So > 1 total rending boosts over base dmg but only when hitting a relevant armor type?

[harsh urchin]

Do you know if the magic missiles crit per hit or per throw

[viral solstice]

1 total rending just gives you 25% of the rending % as bonus damage

everything crits per instantiation

[harsh urchin]

So if i throw a piercing one, can it crit and hit like 6 crits

[viral solstice]

so crit shards are a crit if u launch them with 5 stacks of weakspot node etc

[wide sequoia]

So if Rending now also works on range fall off, range fall off will technically be more relevant into unarmored/infested?

[harsh urchin]

Damn that 5% toughness on crit is fucking crazy then

[viral solstice]

it always did

[harsh urchin]

So damn absuable LOL

[whole oxide]

hmmm, seeing the Telekine Shield getting broken in a few seconds by just 1 gunner...... seems kinda underwhelming

[broken quail]

laughs in recon lasgun

[viral solstice]

rending has always affected ranged falloff because ranged falloff has always used the adm calculation

da armour calc

[harsh urchin]

I wonder if they rebalanced infernus

Probably not

They don't care about it

[broken quail]

not much else to put on recon las, so I'll still run it 🤷‍♂️

[viral solstice]

dumdum is 30% damage now

could be worse

now what u might want to wonder is how blessings interact with assail...

[harsh urchin]

Dont u gotta pull out your hands

I havent watched the videos

I assume you gotta throw em and then weaponswap

And then you can benefit from the perks?

[viral solstice]

they are indeed a quickswap weapon

they draw and shoot almost instantly

[broken quail]

Yeah it was equiped like BB, but it also has a ammo count and quick shards mentions them replenishing

[viral solstice]

so u can shard then go back to ur gun

but many funny interactions

[harsh urchin]

I assume they'd benefit from 25% dmg perks and warp nexus and stuff

If you pull out before they hit

[viral solstice]

warp nexus no because crit chance set on launch but... how about a quickswap to an uncanny duelling sword

much too consider

[harsh urchin]

Did anybody post the psyker tree

I saw the zealot one

[cloud sequoia]

yo psykers you got your bingo card ready?

[broken quail]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1StViPhNvVsY5r4tMuREiC2VTEnbQCc_3ABMyGJ-NRk4/edit?pli=1#gid=1657664156

[harsh urchin]

Wtb online tree builder

Hurry up crab

Go code it

[harsh urchin]

Thx

[viral solstice]

don wanna

wanna see more vet suffering

[harsh urchin]

wtf

what do i pay u for

[viral solstice]

i gave all my feedback just to make veterans suffer

and theyre not even suffering that much wtf

[spice veldt]

why would you break their kneecaps

[harsh urchin]

isnt darcy raging

[spice veldt]

no that's just darcy

i wouldn't take her seriously, but i understand if she gets annoying

[harsh urchin]

sadge kinetic flayer still has 15s cooldown

[cloud sequoia]

[spice veldt]

🥲

[meager plinth]

[harsh urchin]

wow psykinetic aura got nerfed

lol

[teal needle]

I like bb tho 🥹

It's getting big buffs anyway

[harsh urchin]

i'm probably gonna use BB still on my gunpsyker

will probably get to play around with magic missiles and smite on the staves

gunpsyker can't deal with carapace still unfortunately

[meager plinth]

if you use the volver, you might make great use of the lil blades

[humble star]

Melee psyker looking "worse" now? Part of the sacrifice for new toys I guess

[teal needle]

I will probably also BB on my gunker. Thinking smite/surge and assail/trauma or assail/voidstrike if voidstrike is actually okay now

[harsh urchin]

can't use kinetic flayer with the revolver, which is the whole point of playing gunpsyker

[viral solstice]

duelling sword heavies got bananas buffed

[meager plinth]

how much are the buffs?

[viral solstice]

well on the preview build the ds4 heavies do more than deimos h2

the patch tomorrow one imagines would be similar

[humble star]

what about Deimos oneshots? Those breakpoints should be gone now

[viral solstice]

[humble star]

dueling sword time

again

[viral solstice]

force sword users in shambles, duelling sword meta

[feral verge]

Woooo

[meager plinth]

dueling sword

[cloud sequoia]

i got this , is this good ?

[lunar hollow]

untrue. vet will be deleted which is a major change

[humble star]

back to launch psyker, dueling swords everywhere

[meager plinth]

Yippeee!!!

[teal needle]

They're removing vets from the game and replacing each and every one of them with Kerillian

[harsh urchin]

wow

scrier's gaze

is super strong lol

it's basically new vet ulti

[humble star]

IDK, new Zealot assassin build screams "Shade" to me

[harsh urchin]

tons of damage, tons of damage reduction, and the effects linger

[spice veldt]

albeit with a peril gen that speeds up over time

not quite as free as vet's ult i'd wager

[humble star]

assassin larpers got a new home outside Vermintide now

[viral solstice]

yeah, tonnes of backstab damage so obviously it will be used with the best weapon for high backstab damage

the thunder hammer

[teal needle]

Gunkers don't need much peril. And peril gen now gives you toughness with the right talent sooooo... free toughness gen

[harsh urchin]

not quite as free true, but you can get it pretty high uptime if you build around it i think

[spice veldt]

yeah the damage bonus is always nice

[harsh urchin]

with 22% cdr, base cd goes to 23s

[spice veldt]

and i think i'm going to do a quietitude + toughness on peril gen meme with it

[harsh urchin]

and considering it lingers for 10s

[spice veldt]

HMMMMMMM

[harsh urchin]

it's disgusting

[spice veldt]

now that you calculate it like that

[viral solstice]

you need to quell

to keep it up that long

the peril gain goes up and up

basically theres a point where the benefit of further uptime is 100% not worth it so you just dump it and peace

[harsh urchin]

nah, you take psykinetics and just reduce the cooldown

[humble star]

Quelling on a gunker? 🤮

[harsh urchin]

and don't try to pump the duration

[viral solstice]

you can certainly try

[harsh urchin]

just tell ur team

to stop killing stuff

[viral solstice]

lads

[harsh urchin]

so u can get cooldown

[viral solstice]

hold my beer

[lunar hollow]

bro im GAZING stop killing shit i need the battle meditation procs

[humble star]

That'll work

[lunar hollow]

gonna flame my teammates for being too good

[harsh urchin]

just play with josho

then you'll be able to kill everything

keke

[lunar hollow]

perish

[harsh urchin]

i wanna try

the new ogy node with rumbler

grenade spam

[humble star]

Give shovel punch funny sound effect pls

[harsh urchin]

i got it

you just gotta take disrupt destiny

[viral solstice]

now we talkin

[harsh urchin]

and stack that

with battle meditation

to quell all the heat

[viral solstice]

ur stacking 2 different "pls team dont kill my marked targets or elites" abilities at once

the "my teammates have no hands" strat i dig it

synergy

[lunar hollow]

true solo time

make ur teammates watch

[viral solstice]

the real strat

[harsh urchin]

frankly

the first week of the new update

[viral solstice]

mind in motion and 30% quell speed node

ur quellin u runnin

[harsh urchin]

people r gonna have no hands

[viral solstice]

just kinda walkin

[harsh urchin]

like i dont expect to win many hi5stg

[viral solstice]

im quelling

IM QUELLIN HEAH

[lunar hollow]

gonna play gunlugger ogryn and try to get into dis's games to run around shooting all the shit he wants to kill

ur marked targets are MINE

[humble star]

[harsh urchin]

here add me on steam josho

32670681

u can join my games

[lunar hollow]

u thought people killing ur bbs was bad

wait until u see

irritation incarnate

[harsh urchin]

jokes on you

i dont use bb

so nobody can steal 'em

i just let the squad wipe

[lunar hollow]

i hope the ogryn bomb auto-dets barrels in its radius

i wanna fucking execute teammates so they have to watch me play as the sentry from tf2

[spice veldt]

...

[harsh urchin]

holy shit

they disassociated

[lunar hollow]

lmfao

[harsh urchin]

AB from warp charges

[lunar hollow]

AB looks based as hell now

[harsh urchin]

it's purely based on heat

that's fucking disgusting

i'm definitely gonna take aura

and KS all the specials

to get cdr

[lunar hollow]

warp charges having quicken built in as a mechanic is cool

since u dont have to sit there and just bb stuff to get them back

[spice veldt]

ehhhhhhhhhh

quicken as the default mechanic is one of the worst

and it's a nerfed version of quicken, since it's 7.5% CDR per warp charge

[harsh urchin]

yeah but it's free

[lunar hollow]

u gotta expand ur thinking

a lot of the problem with quicken n stuff is that like

psyker ult was meh

[spice veldt]

but it comes at the opportunity cost of the other keystones

[lunar hollow]

and the opportunity cost since u cant pair it with other stuff

[humble star]

"free"

[harsh urchin]

well, free in the sense that

if i'm taking warp charges

[lunar hollow]

the overall opportunity cost of most things has gone down significantly and a lot more pairings are open than were previously

[harsh urchin]

i'm mainly taking it for the damage boost

and the CDR is technically free

though the other keystones

are pretty competitive

[lunar hollow]

being able to run a version of quicken w/ AB is a lot stronger than quicken ever got previously

[harsh urchin]

i actually really like disrupt destiny

and the empower seems cool

[lunar hollow]

on top of being competitive with kinetic barrage which it isnt anymore

[spice veldt]

the opportunity cost of this

[viral solstice]

the warp charge node forcing u to spend on activating ult is pretty terrible

because getting ur ult back faster is not always a trade worth making vs guaranteed losing 24% damage and 36% peril cost off

and ur forced to take it instead of it being an option

its one of the weirdest forced choices

[harsh urchin]

it's not great, i think it's probably better for builds that don't go vent tbh

like let's say you're a purg + gaze + warp charges build that usually holds the ulti

you can just hold the ulti and get 24% dmg from WC

[lunar hollow]

i don't particularly like how warp charges are setup in general (mechanic on current live feels like it forces u into doing stupid shit or completely ignoring it and getting the benefits anyways) but this at least makes u make decisions

[spice veldt]

i probably wouldn't hold gaze since it's not like shriek where you will save it for emergencies

[viral solstice]

no u just blow urself up then look at ur scriers sitting there off cooldown

and realising u cant even press it to blow up harder

[lunar hollow]

the problem i had with quicken is always that like if u take it u cant make psyker ult do anything useful

[viral solstice]

and curse the fat shark for not letting u explode harder

[humble star]

So claw sword meta now after the patch?

[harsh urchin]

fine then just take shriek but don't take the buffer nodes

so you free up 3 points

[lunar hollow]

im not really gonna try to theorycraft on stuff i cant play with because i am prone to being wrong

[harsh urchin]

yeah i need to try it

[viral solstice]

of course of course

[fast swan]

did they add a "WITNESS YOUR DOOOM" voice line?

[spice veldt]

how does it feel to be able to unironically say this

[viral solstice]

a brief flourishing of devil claw memes before things even out

[humble star]

Counter attack time

[lunar hollow]

now all we need to do is make the psword worse than launch dclaw

and the plan will be complete

[shrewd comet]

is this starting to become a half-decent illisi?

https://i.imgur.com/ZwUQYas.png

[lunar hollow]

who knows

[shrewd comet]

idk if uncanny strikes is good, or unarmored

[lunar hollow]

i would just sit on whatever u get until patch cuz stuff is about to change a LOT

[spice veldt]

uncanny is probably fine after the update

but +unarmoured is eh

[viral solstice]

uncannyt is 120% rending

[shrewd comet]

its used mostly for horde clearing right

[viral solstice]

and rending is bonus damage over 100% and fucking bananas under 100%

[shrewd comet]

ok what does rending do?

[viral solstice]

if u do 20% damage vs an armour type, 20% rending will take u up to 40%

it adds linearly up to 100%

[spice veldt]

hmm so straight up +25% damage if force swords retain their armour types on everything except carapace

[viral solstice]

at 100% damage effectiveness it still gets added, but at 1/4 value

depends on lights vs heavies

[spice veldt]

what's 120 divided by 4 again

[viral solstice]

and also... weakspot

30%

[spice veldt]

alright now that's looking good

[viral solstice]

key thing about new rending

is that small amounts of it are insanely good value

[harsh urchin]

it seems like you can also deliberately breakpoint it

depending on your weapon

[gilded viper]

This waiting fucking sucks

[humble star]

Just turn off noggin until tomorrow

[broken quail]

21 hours now amiright or am I right?

[spice veldt]

i can not wait to turn my brain off as I play EP shards

also i'm going to cry at most of my mods breaking probably

[safe crystal]

Arco in shambles if his play-dough playground settings get reset

[lunar hollow]

looks like numericui still works inshallah

[trim garnet]

will EP get triggered by blitz kills is my question

[cyan portal]

A thought for anyone who hasn't used the char height mod yet, I think max height psyker is going to be more a fair bit better after patch. No idea if patch will disable it.

[trim garnet]

cause if so you could just go crazy with brain burst on elites infinitely

assuming with the base damage buff + damage buff from EP you can onetap anything

sounds really fun

or if you just save up some EP stacks you could activate scriers and go bananas with it if you take the talent that buffs it on ability activation

[red wind]

guys

[trim garnet]

curious to see how fast it'll charge with both

[red wind]

im sure you all know

but we are so so back

[trim garnet]

kinda snooze imo

warp charges dont decay anymore i think

nvm they still do

im dumb

25secs per though

[red wind]

they do but they also charge your ability

[trim garnet]

but the other option is also kinda zzzz

so

[red wind]

plus this just meanst that flame psyker is still real

[trim garnet]

guess thats default if you take soulblaze build

yeah theres still uh

wrack and ruin

and wildfire

in the tree

so soulblaze build is still very real

[red wind]

wildfire is reaL?

[trim garnet]

yep

[red wind]

damn

well im definitely

running that

[trim garnet]

wrack is just on any kill on an elite/special now i think

not just blitz

[red wind]

what

holy shit

[trim garnet]

also the uh

soulblaze on scream is based on peril

[red wind]

im sure that wrack and ruin is still like

[trim garnet]

how many stacks i mean

[red wind]

idk we'll see

but flame psyker is real at least

[viral solstice]

its completely broken

[red wind]

woo

[trim garnet]

doesnt specify blitz

LOL

[red wind]

what combat ability is that under

[trim garnet]

cant wait for that

[red wind]

like, the shout or whatever

[trim garnet]

its not combat ability

its just general

[red wind]

oh

right

[trim garnet]

very early in the tree as well

[red wind]

im still unsure how these new skill trees work

so i guess flame psyker is just buffed or something

[trim garnet]

they're kinda like diablo

[red wind]

except for the shout spreading fire

[trim garnet]

flame psyker is probably gigabuffed off of this

[red wind]

unless that's a thing

[trim garnet]

shout still spreads fire

[red wind]

what

[trim garnet]

stacks are based off peril instead of warp charges now

[red wind]

epic win

is warp battery still a thing

[trim garnet]

yes

[red wind]

incredible

[trim garnet]

and you can get uh

[red wind]

so my current build will remain unchanged i guess

[trim garnet]

damage from peril

damage from warp charges

im wondering if blitzes will be able to crit

cause scriers gives crit chance

probably not but idk

[red wind]

ooh creeping flames is based off your current peril instead of warp charges

hm

so, just get to 100% warp and then do the thing and then everything dies + wildfire + wrack and ruin.... i guess it's just a straight buff to the current flame kit, then

[viral solstice]

yes

[hollow current]

https://i.imgur.com/9g9qFGt.jpg 34k bonus xp in 20 minutes

imagine how fast you could level someone up on a auric maelstrom on the right maps.

[lapis bay]

strong. aura.

[warm meteor]

Apparently the new surge got a damage boost

Milk and cookies used the term "hits like a mack truck"

Also seeing the knives in action, they actually regen quite quickly

No idea how much perks are effecting the regen, so maybe milk has an upgrade making it so fast

Bio lightning making things explode is a fun feature

[viral solstice]

3s default, 2s with talent

[warm meteor]

Did we get more talent info?

Was the whole tree revealed?

[viral solstice]

no idea, i playtested it

[warm meteor]

Oh

So with 2 second regen and the keystone that gives free throws 7.5 percent of the time on kill thats some really solid uptime

[harsh urchin]

lies

[warm meteor]

Oh

[gilded viper]

What's the attack combo on the Deimos again? light heavy?

[warm meteor]

Ive been lied too :(

[harsh urchin]

it should be 2.1s

[viral solstice]

[harsh urchin]

mathematically 😉

[viral solstice]

the question is... how is it implemented

[warm meteor]

Welp. Knives suck now

[harsh urchin]

true

whether it's 30% faster, or 30% cdr

[warm meteor]

2.1? Unusable

[harsh urchin]

knowing fatshark

they're lazy

[viral solstice]

if you have enhanced psionics every elite = a free knife that costs no ammo or peril

now if you assume that you can hit 3 enemies per knife with enhanced cleave, i wonder if you can just spam knives like a wizard into low tier elites...

[warm meteor]

So you really can just spam as long as the horde doesnt get too close

Wait knives cleave?

[restive slate]

I think i saw an upgrade to their cleave

[faint sigil]

Mmm brain knives

[viral solstice]

they chase your cursor