Purge has its up and downs and is a longer convo
#psyker-class
lethal lagoon
olive ember
Trauma CC’s everything a surge staff can CC besides mutants but can actually deal with hordes and has infinite cleave within the circle
Everything works with illi because illi is broken
You could run purge illi and the III would stiii just be as good
slow raven
surge is meta because meta just means popular and surge is by far the most popular staff you see in damnation
olive ember
Trauma isn’t used the same as BB
spice veldt
trauma does not conflict at all with BB
indigo portal
I imagine the route to go with Scriers is to stack all of the quelling skills and any +damage stuff you can find so kills are easier to maintain. Then you just convert hordes into decent uptime of +10% damage and +20% crit chance and constant uptime of +30% damage.
olive ember
surge is meta because meta just means popular and surge is by far the most popul...
Meta stands for Most Effective Tactics Available so by definition not rly
indigo portal
Then you proceed to nuke the shit out of elites.
olive ember
Just a lot of people like surge
lethal lagoon
Surge is also super lazy
Which hey, Trauma requiring more user focus and operation is definitely something to consider.
cyan notch
Meta stands for Most Effective Tactics Available so by definition not rly
doubt
thats just some fake shit people came up after the fact
slow raven
i've never heard that definition of meta lol
it's a backronym
like BAE being "beyond all else"
indigo portal
Wasn't that just used because "meta" means "beyond" in latin or some shit.
lethal lagoon
Meta can deal with 4th wall breaking or overarching theme when used in other context, I imagine it's related to that.
I guess googling strats is 4th wall breaking
Might be the source
indigo portal
Meta can deal with 4th wall breaking or overarching theme when used in other con...
I do not see how that would even link to the current use of the term.
olive ember
Myeh
Either way surge staff is good for its ease of use and reliable CC for relatively low peril
lethal lagoon
If you ask a top players opinion on the best strats for a game, you are breaking the 4th wall of the game 🤷♂️
olive ember
AKA it’s great when you have teams who get overwhelmed cuz it creates breathing room
indigo portal
If you ask a top players opinion on the best strats for a game, you are breaking...
mmmmmmmmmm yes the top players are stuck in the game
olive ember
But teams who don’t get overwhelmed you are prob better off just bringing a staff that contributes to removing threats rather than stalling em
lethal lagoon
@indigo portal I just 4th walled this convo. I'm literally right. "Metagaming" and then later "Meta" comes from players unfairly looking up information outside of the "game".
indigo portal
<@239404785453760512> I just 4th walled this convo. I'm literally right. "Metaga...
That's just called Metagaming, Metagaming and Meta are different terms. They're used for different things.
unreal wasp
It's me but weaker 
lethal lagoon
99.99% of people literally learn the Meta from Metagaming 🤦♂️
olive ember
Ehhh it’s weird
Like saying someone is meta gaming vs
Someone is using the meta
Has different connotations
Meta gaming is like dnd shit where you do stuff that your character wouldn’t do or know etc.
lethal lagoon
Right, but the orgin of Meta being the best strat is pretty obvious. It comes from Metagaming.
olive ember
@cyan notch see most effective tactics available wasn’t just completely made up
Well it was but it’s so long ago it might as well be the origin
Only from the most factual of sources 
wind spruce
In the 1990s–2000s, meta took special root in online gaming communities when discussing the most successful strategies, characters, or weapons. While some claim this meta is an acronym for Most Effective Tactic Available (a folk etymology), it is short for metagaming, using knowledge about the game itself to beat the “game” of mastering that game.
In the late 1990s, metagaming was used in games like Dungeons & Dragons to refer to an in-game character unfairly using information gathered outside of the game world by their player. That’s pretty meta. Meta has gone on, in the gaming world, for anything out of the universe of the game used to affect the universe in the game—cheating, in a nutshell, and making the game less fun for more earnest players.
lethal lagoon
This feels like an actual Psyker chat room now lmao.
wind spruce
That's pretty meta @lethal lagoon
unreal wasp
Don't think I've heard meta used to refer to cheating before
lethal lagoon
Internet guides are too prevelant, but they are technically cheating.
"Tips and Tricks' used to be under cheat codes haha
slow raven
that's from dictionary.com so it's probably written by a 40 year old dude whos never touched a video game
lethal lagoon
I can't fathom wiki contributors and their ilk not being video game players.
unreal wasp
I can see metagaming in a roleplaying game being cheating but using the meta (being informed) in another type of game is not cheating
wind spruce
The second paragraph is weird af tbh, seems the writer lost the thread of where the term has come. The background stuff is pretty spot on though. And as atlas says a lot of people genuinely do/did consider guides cheating
lethal lagoon
I mean, if a player solves a puzzle with a guide, that is cheating. We never call it that because most of us do it. So what seperates looking up Meta from cheating other than the fact that it's socially acceptable?
Just in case, I'm not suggesting it's wrong to look up meta lmao..
wind spruce
Hard agree
wind spruce
Does anyone else hate the way assail looks
olive ember
Yeah in the clip the ogryn was using a shield
wind spruce
I was hoping for chunky magic missiles not homing warp knives.
cyan notch
I mean, if a player solves a puzzle with a guide, that is cheating. We never cal...
who says its cheating if u solve a puzzle with a guide
and even if it was cheating i would call it cheating the fact that "most of us do it" has no impact
unreal wasp
Fundamentally separate things personally. Would align using a guide to solve a puzzle more with using a mod/overlay to see where all loot is rather than just seeing "this gun shoots the best"
lethal lagoon
@cyan notch Common sense. It's like looking up answers to homework.
Most of us do it, but it's still cheating lmao
cyan notch
if u believe so sure but i dont
lethal lagoon
All of reality is subjective, so that's kind of silly to use in an argument.
cyan notch
the "most of us do it so we dont call it cheating" point doesnt make any sense
tired totem
I can’t wait to have 4 ogryn with big bomb crash the game
That's the dream.
tired totem
the "most of us do it so we dont call it cheating" point doesnt make any sense
Why? That's what societal consensus is. Most of us don't call Coffee a drug despite it being one.
lethal lagoon
@cyan notch No one likes to think of themselves as a cheater. We also typically associate cheating with consequences. It's just a matter of no one bothered to think of it.
wind spruce
It's a classic example to hear older people say using a calculator is cheating because you won't build up the skills you need and will rely on needing a calculator on hand. Once upon a time this was a valid idea because your "cheating" could have an undesirable outcome. Now that society and culture has changed along with the potential outcomes of not knowing basic arithmetic etc, this isn't considered cheating.
cyan notch
i think its because its not even cheating at all to many people so thats why they dont call themselves a cheater
tired totem
Let me put it like this. Fat Shark themselves told me that making a big guide for the new patch is a very good idea to help players navigate the complex intricacies of the new system and also to just speed up player onboarding.
cyan notch
not because theyre ashemed of being a cheater
spice veldt
it's cheating, but it's basically at the level of jaywalking
still technically cheating
cyan notch
no
spice veldt
yes
cyan notch
who defines what cheating is
lethal lagoon
Who defines anything? You are going silly mode again
unreal wasp
Jaywalking is illegal in certain places and is therefore cheating in those places
cyan notch
not all games are supposed to be played from start to finish in a locked room offline to be considered legit
unreal wasp
Just because you don't get punished for breaking a rule doesn't mean there's not a rule against it
lethal lagoon
If diffculty is a part of the gameplay experience, than yes, any "Metagaming" does break the "rules".
spice veldt
it's not "legit", but no one particularly cares if you look up a guide for a game
lethal lagoon
So cheating
wind spruce
Did anyone else notice the double shield drop at 1:08 of the ability showcase?
lethal lagoon
Yeah, it's sexy
cyan notch
thats just an opinion
tired totem
I don't think it's cheating. For me this would imply that reading a book about how to fix your car is "cheating".
olive ember
“to act in a dishonest way in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game, a competition, an exam, etc.”
So you gotta define what is considered dishonest
cyan notch
do u think if u ask game devs if looking at a guide for their game is cheating theyd say yes u are cheating
spice veldt
maybe in a more restrictive world, like with how apple has their phone repair ecosystem fairly locked down
unreal wasp
Learn math and all human concepts yourself without reading or talking to anyone
wind spruce
I don't think it's cheating. For me this would imply that reading a book about h...
If the task was to fix your car without getting outside help that would be cheating. It's all relative lol
spice veldt
from apple's perspective, it would be "cheating" to go to 3rd-party repairs that aren't associated with them
tired totem
from apple's perspective, it would be "cheating" to go to 3rd-party repairs that...
Yeah that's why it got delegalized in EU xD
wind spruce
Cheating is obviously just a social construct that governs what we find acceptable and what we don't. What's cheating and what's not depends on context.
spice veldt
damn
olive ember
Everything’s a social construct anyways
tired totem
Anyway. Huge ogryn guide is coming October 4th anyway 
cyan notch
exactly so u cant just say 100% of the time oh u if use a guide its automatically cheating
wind spruce
Errything
spice veldt
well yeah there are games that cater to that
wind spruce
exactly so u cant just say 100% of the time oh u if use a guide its automaticall...
Exactly
tired totem
Our huge guide will be the best and biggest
spice veldt
"cheating" is an extreme word to use in the context to talk about how the term meta developed, but you get the idea
wind spruce
"cheating" is an extreme word to use in the context to talk about how the term m...
Yeah, because of our expectations of what's considered cheating.
upper galleon
it's not cheating
it's exploiting at worse (considering meta)
HP bar mods... yea by technically it's hacking, but all it does is help confirm you are dealing damage (useful, know many recon vets who could use this for crushers) and the target is dead so you can move on
but even then, to be truly exploiting the meta it would be to abuse unintended mechanics
like the swap melee bug that gave you infinite attack speed, that would be exploiting
upper galleon
🤷
upper galleon
i'm cheatin then cause it's fatshark approved
as long as i'm not hardcore cheating like aimbotting or ESP (outside of vet ability LOL)
i use full auto mod so i can use vraks 7 without clicking 30 times per magazine
olive ember
If seeing health bars was legit then it would be in the base game
I’m playing darktide the way fatshark intended
upper galleon
if it wasn't legit
fatshark would've removed it off the nexus
like they've done before
still hearth
If seeing health bars was legit then it would be in the base game
It is in the base game though
olive ember
Not in a normal game
potent echo
Do game developers have the right to remove things off nexus?
olive ember
Only in the grinder of meat
still hearth
Yeah you just don't see them
lunar hollow
If seeing health bars was legit then it would be in the base game
well like u can also make this argument for numericui and stuff
still hearth
So they're just made visible
lunar hollow
or crosshair remap
upper galleon
Do game developers have the right to remove things off nexus?
yes
fatshark and nexus mods' moderation team
is working together
potent echo
That's nice
upper galleon
and have had mods removed before
basically, anything on there, is legit until removed
potent echo
Probably the cosmetic unlockers
lunar hollow
i mean someone bragged about having a way to dupe items and they got their account nuked
that was funny
potent echo
Like QQ?
mellow gorge
gritty terrace
I saw that one a few times! It was funni
spice veldt
the modmaker removed it, according to themselves
upper galleon
there is some aimbotters around, not in modding and probably not modding discord
gritty terrace
Lmao
upper galleon
idk why you would aimbot in this game tho
gritty terrace
Frfr
upper galleon
just plug in a controller and use aim assist
cyan notch
its bad
upper galleon
like, okay you are spinbotting in a malice game with a recon las, good for u (this was 4 months after launch)
still hearth
Did they just weapon swap when spamming L1s ir what
upper galleon
haven't seen any aimbotters besides like 1 recently, but they exist
upper galleon
Did they just weapon swap when spamming L1s ir what
nah, just shamelessly aimbotting with recon lasgun on heads
still hearth
No I meant the mod thing
cyan notch
yea its qq spam
upper galleon
like, he was blasting away at horde, perfectly bouncing between heads, then a bruiser approached him from behind, he insta 180'd, shot the bruiser in the head till dead, then 180'd right back to perfectly spraying horde
only way to make recon lasgun viable 
olive ember
yea its qq spam
QQ spam is exploiting
cyan notch
yes
olive ember
I only play the game the way fatshark intended
still hearth
QQ spam is exploiting
It's in the game though
So clearly the devs intended it to be
olive ember
It's in the game though
Well no it’s in the game so it’s not cheating
But it’s also not intended so therefore it’s an exploit
Fucking cheaters and exploiters
I can’t believe it
potent echo
Using exploits is just not cool
still hearth
Unless it's a funny exploit
potent echo
And what's darktide if you aren't with the cool kids
still hearth
But quell cancel is also an exploit so rip
olive ember
Filthy exploiter
upper galleon
quell cancelling as a normal skill, not exploiting
potent echo
Manual quell cancel is cool and good
upper galleon
using a mod to do it for you
olive ember
This is why I avoid using the voidstrike
potent echo
Auto cancel is doodoo
olive ember
Because I’m not a filthy fucking cheating exploiter
still hearth
quell cancelling as a normal skill, not exploiting
It's clearly unintended
upper galleon
Is it? And to what extent
Animation cancels aren't new in tide games
Anyways I'm too tired for this level of talk
wind spruce
What about the macro I definitely didn't make to always quell 0.12s after my voidstaff shoots (if you make it any less it, hypothetically, bugs out a bit)? Lmao
indigo portal
I just saw this. This finalizes the theory that you can only pick one side or the other for the shield ult. Second image is the shield ult's addons for reference.
potent echo
The first image is vet shout?
indigo portal
First image is Zealot: Preacher's Keystone.
plucky flax
What's a keystone? Like ult enhancing node?
indigo portal
No, it's the iconic ability. Here's the article. https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/talent-trees-deep-dive/83096
They're the big nodes at the bottom of the tree. For Zealot it's Blitz, Coherency Aura, Ult, Keystone in that order. You can only pick one of each between the 3 main branches.
Also this.
fluid knot
QQ spam is exploiting
Ive seen someone say dodge-sliding is an exploit before
People are weird
plucky flax
Hrm so yeah it's like an extra big buff thingy.
viral solstice
Keystones are exclusive
steep oriole
is this salvageable? or is it joever
(just talking about stats, i can deal with everything else)
viral solstice
u got 80 cloud radius (fart size) so ur safe
plucky flax
It's good. Damage is the dump stat.
If you get lucky with upgrading to yellow it'd be perfect purga staff.
plucky flax
Either flak damage as 2nd perk, or warp flurry t4 as 2nd blessing.
Then you can swap 2 stats.
It's highly likely you'll get warp flurry t4 as the 2nd blessing 
steep oriole
It's highly likely you'll get warp flurry t4 as the 2nd blessing <a:PraygeA:9642...
ty but how can you say this
im new to this endgame so idk how to game the stats
plucky flax
There are only 3 tier 4 blessings for purg staff.
viral solstice
not that many blessings for staves
viral solstice
but also if you craft it now given they are doing big blessing changes in the patch
plucky flax
It's a high modifier item (360), so it's high chance to get a t4 blessing as 2nd blessing.
steep oriole
ah ic
viral solstice
there might well be some crafting help so people don't get bricked items
steep oriole
what blessings should i get for the flamethrower staff
plucky flax
So between t4 terrifying barrage and t4 warp flurry, it's more than likely a 50% chance to get it.
steep oriole
knowing my luck ill get t4 terrifying barrage
plucky flax
Then well you can change barrage to flurry and keep t3 warp nexus.
Not as good as it can be in that case.
viscid matrix
flurry, nexus and barrage
steep oriole
oh and obviously i cant get T4 nexus and T3 nexus
ty
but shouldnt i switch it to T3 Barrage so i can get either Nexus or Flurry and then swap out the t3 barrage for smth else
cyan notch
yea
whole oxide
losing Kinetic Barrage is really killing my hype
cyan notch
it might be there who knows
whole oxide
seems unlikely, given that it looks likes it been converted to the new Keystone
Empowered Psionics: Kills have a 7.5% chance to Empower your next Blitz.
Empowered Brain Rupture: 100% Peril Cost Reduction 50% Cast time Reduction +50% Damage
Empowered Smite: +30% Damage 25% faster spread between enemies
Empowered Assail: 100% Peril Cost Reduction. Base Damage increase from 100 to 150. Does not consume any charges.
Be weird to have that and KB
with that and KB, BB would be pretty much insta-cast
inland sand
opportunity cost
echo sigil
who says KB is gone? could still be a perk somewhere.
whole oxide
as I said, it seems unlikely to still be there if Empowered Psionics is now a thing
but I'll be happy to be wrong
echo sigil
it can still be a perk as part of psykinetic wrath
young meteor
just realised
with the new perk system, we'll be able to pick both kenetic shield and kenetic deflection
weak galleon
just noticed that post 2 days ago, from fatshark.
Wonder what's the size of telekine shield
weak galleon
I assume Scrier's gaze is a veteran ult psyker?
oh, there's a trailer? Gonna go look for it.
so it's stationary. I imagined something like an active ward from Skyrim, lol.
Well, sounds and looks useful.
at least DTide now will have more than 4 "classes".
young meteor
hopefully the skill tree won't end up like PD2's where there's clear outlier and 60% of your skill point investment are set in stone
whole oxide
i mean, given how the vanilla traits were on release, it probably will be like that on release, and take a few months for them to sort out the garbage ones
viral solstice
losing Kinetic Barrage is really killing my hype
i think you will be pleasantly surprised
vague pier
Psyker is gonna be an absolute power house with the class overhaul god damn
weak galleon
too bad scrier's gaze runs off Peril.
I want my glass cannon Psyker with staff, not with a gun.
whole oxide
it looks like you still can with a staff, will just take more careful peril management
might even make transfer-peril voidstrike a legit choice
weak galleon
maybe with voidstrike venting perk
whatever it was called
ye
wait, voidstrike went to the point where it's not even considered legit?
wtf is going on here.
Last I remember, it was completely fine on damnation half a year ago
cyan notch
its aight
weak galleon
as long as you sticked to lining headshots
whole oxide
most regular players have moved up to only playing HISTG/Maelstrom, and void is weaker there, since it does nothing to large groups of specials/elites
weak galleon
is it a mod?
whole oxide
no, just the highest difficulty missions
whole oxide
not exactly
inland sand
i mean, given how the vanilla traits were on release, it probably will be like t...
wow this is the most reasonable take I've seen today
cyan notch
new difficulty?
auric missions
potent echo
You want 76% burn or bust
potent echo
Isit 14 stacks?
still hearth
15 stacks thoo
cyan notch
i remember the 14 stack range being fairly generous
whole oxide
definitely flak, other is up to you, some like crit-chance, others like unyielding
potent echo
Yea flak definitely
I run crit chance for my 2nd perk but people tell me it's peepoo and I should run unyielding
idle aurora
Usually its flak/maniac - crit. Unyielding is probably least useful since you can have entire missions without monsters
still hearth
You guys get missions without 5 monstrosities??
Purgatus is just so OP you can run whatever tho
Ez pz
wide summit
just tried it in Maelstrom
it's more fun than Surge anyways
Surge does really really well with a good team tho
digital narwhal
What do you reckon most pub Psykers are gonna run when the update drops?
spice owl
I think surge is so divisive bvecause it's a FULL support weapon. You make your teams lives much easier and sacrifice lots of damage (except vs flak) for it.
potent echo
I think surge is so divisive bvecause it's a FULL support weapon. You make your ...
No it really doesn't, in low pressure situations your teammates were going to kill those elites anyway
In high pressure situations the auto targeting means you can't target the important things
plucky flax
I think surge is so divisive bvecause it's a FULL support weapon. You make your ...
If you can use your illisi really well the damage output is not that bad.
potent echo
What do you reckon most pub Psykers are gonna run when the update drops?
Probably scrier
spice veldt
they might just die and go back to the other ults
(i of course would never ever blow up)
potent echo
spice veldt
I think surge is so divisive bvecause it's a FULL support weapon. You make your ...
surge is divisive because trauma exists and I just do not like non-generalist weapons
i already dislike trauma, so imagine how much I dislike surge
plucky flax
Bad players can't play surge.
still hearth
Anyone can play Surge
plucky flax
digital narwhal
I love Trauma myself.
Being able to delete pockets of Shooters is just fun.
plucky flax
Tru.
spice veldt
trauma wins by process of elimination for me
plucky flax
You are so correct.
digital narwhal
Plus, Trauma helps me carry since I can hard stunlock groups of enemies.
spice veldt
if I weren't so paranoid about running out of ammo, I'd run guns all the time
potent echo
Use it to shock scab shooters
Use it for anything else 
plucky flax
Mfw I use surge in auric maelstrom. 
digital narwhal
Use it to shock scab shooters <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
Use it for ...
Surge Psykers when it’s a Dreg Mission:
potent echo
Mfw I use surge in auric maelstrom. <:FeelsStrongMan:880925680416743505>
That's an instant quit team and requeue
plucky flax
That's an instant quit team and requeue <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Somehow I manage to get top damage dealt as surge psyker.
feral verge
I use illisi 90% of the time, with surge
spice veldt
i'm a trauma psyker and I'm tempted to just leave missions with trauma teammates all the time
feral verge
I really only surge burster packs
spice veldt
psykers are the worst class to have as a teammate most of the time unless they're purg psykers
potent echo
Or like trauma and they all explode
spice veldt
the chaos of enemies falling right under my illisi/psword as I swing 🥲
potent echo
That's reserved for normal hiint damnation
digital narwhal
I should start Trauma Flurry spamming right in front of my meleeing teammates to clean up all their yummy kills
potent echo
Can't believe hiint dam is now a relaxing experience
digital narwhal
Tbf, only time I’d blast enemies in melee range of my teammates is if I see them actively struggling and losing ground
Or if I need Toughness from Warp Absorption
potent echo
That's not the worst sin, how about that SAP zealot that shoots the hound further and further away from your charged illisi
spice veldt
i've met some trauma psykers who used their melee lately
plucky flax
I do it and sometimes get flamed, sometimes get praised.
spice veldt
one of them being a lvl39 surprisingly enough
plucky flax
It's either "Wow your blaze trauma is OP", or "SMH noob keep knocking horde around".
cyan notch
why not both
spice veldt
i just treat blaze trauma as purg and leave it alone
potent echo
My pubs don't even speak English
digital narwhal
“SMH noob keep knocking horde around” teammates when I can kill 20 grouped enemies per blast:
fluid knot
I think surge is so divisive bvecause it's a FULL support weapon. You make your ...
As is the Indignatus on Zealot, but people still get upset about it not being killy enough
plucky flax
Me with 1k+ range kills on blaze trauma and getting flamed for only knocking horde around.
fluid knot
If its not trying to wipe your teammates noone should be complaining
"Oh but you're knocking them around!!!!!" What you trying to do? Shoot every individual poxwalker with perfect headshots? Fuck outta here
spice veldt
but it is legitimately annoying if the teammate has an hsword/bb3/illisi/psword and there was a way for them to use the trauma without encroaching on them
feral verge
bold flint
trauma is the best melee weapon
spice veldt
when I see a horde in front of me and they decide to put the circle directly on me as a psword/illisi
legitimately annoying
potent echo
Hiint easy
feral verge
ik
fluid knot
There is a difference between shoveling AOEs onto a teammate an using them effectively sure, but knocking them around in an of itself isnt a massive issue if you're not being obnoxious about it
spice veldt
smelly mankar
feral verge
play with me
spice veldt
There is a difference between shoveling AOEs onto a teammate an using them effec...
and many trauma psykers are obnoxious about it
feral verge
i hate this guy
bold flint
who
spice veldt
rude
spice veldt
i hate this guy
you zealot main
feral verge
i am psyker today
spice veldt
what level is your zealot, pray tell
feral verge
spice veldt
die
feral verge
leave the psykhanium and help me level my psyker then
spice veldt
fine
feral verge
fool. idiot. imbecile.
spice veldt
since i'm a psyker main, i'll play vet
feral verge
source?
spice veldt
die
feral verge
lmaoo lmfaoo lmaoo
spice veldt
in case you wrote something insulting, I did not see it
feral verge
i didn't
spice veldt
i believe you
feral verge
spice veldt
oh ok
bold flint
he called you a poopie head i swear it
plucky flax
but it is legitimately annoying if the teammate has an hsword/bb3/illisi/psword ...
For me Idc what other people do as long as they don't blow bursters in my face.
If they wanna knock horde around go for it. I'll aim camera down to the floor and hit lying mobs.
spice veldt
i melee 90% of the time so enemies getting knocked around is infinitely more annoying to me
plucky flax
I melee 90% when I play zealot.
bold flint
i rev my eviscerator 90% when i play zealot
plucky flax
Maybe 80% of the time when I play ogryn.
cyan notch
id definitely use big chainsaw sword if i could
plucky flax
Ogryn rumbler spam is too op.
bold flint
i walk around with the brown ripper and hipfire shooties sometimes when my idiot teammates dont want to do it
spice veldt
whatever you want
cuz i'm running plasmagun
despite having not used it at all in 2 months
surely this will go well
feral verge
we can blow up together
spice veldt
that sounds like a fun cooperative experience so i disagree with it
feral verge
why he be looking homeless though
spice veldt
i killed 4 homeless men for this drip
feral verge
ok kinda dope
spice veldt
thx
cyan notch
it looks good
spice veldt
in my defense i didn't think the bonbon would get led to me
feral verge
i wish they bumrushed to us
to rez us
before looking ar ound and scavenging
mussat clone?
spice veldt
nuh uh
spice veldt
sniper corridor
plucky flax
What server do you guys play on?
spice veldt
alright agri iag tiime
plucky flax
I can join for some blaze trauma "knocking horde around killing nothing' meme.
With ping sometimes the blast will go off sometimes it won't.
spice veldt
already queued so next game if our times align
soft hinge
Does kinetic shield work with warp battery?
soft hinge
oh
tropic lagoon
So will smite replace surge functionality?
steel solstice
Is crit chance okay on purgatus?
tropic lagoon
Is crit chance okay on purgatus?
best stat for it since crits apply double burn
tropic lagoon
Carapce is fine tbh. they are resistant to burning so that helps
Scriers gaze + Warp Nexus on purgatus will be very interesting
will be able to burn the hell out of enemies
still hearth
Carapce is fine tbh. they are resistant to burning so that helps
No lol
They take like 10% damage from soulblaze
You'll bump it up to 12.5% at best
tropic lagoon
But now they will take 12% damage 🙂
still hearth
It's super bad and there's only one carapace enemy in the game
steel solstice
It's super bad and there's only one carapace enemy in the game
all ogryns are carapace?
still hearth
Flak is probably the best option.
still hearth
all ogryns are carapace?
Only the crusher
The others are Unyielding
I like Unyielding because that's the only one I feel it helps with by a good margin
Most others die really fast to soulblaze anyway
tropic lagoon
None of the bosses are carapce right?
feral verge
None of the bosses are carapce right?
no
all bosses are unyielding, except the traitor assasination boss
they're flak
still hearth
Some enemies have carapace parts but only crushers have carapace base
Which determines the damage for DoTs
tropic lagoon
I guess I should start stockpiling some good weapons for new systems
steel solstice
so its flak or unyielding?
tropic lagoon
I still think a max crit bonus surge might be real funny with scriers
still hearth
I still think a max crit bonus surge might be real funny with scriers
Surge will need so many changes to be useful though
Even if it crits 100% of the time
still hearth
Autopistol 
still hearth
Just kill them though.
safe crystal
A swing from a Illisi also staggers a group of ragers
Why would i use a surge for that?
cyan notch
a group of crushers
crimson holly
Group of 9 Gunman. Spread more Then a Zealot Blitz can Cover.
potent echo
You found the one situation surge is good, but only if they are scab faction
digital narwhal
It's a crowd control fiend
Trauma CCs everything except Muties, and also does good damage.
Why would I use Surge over that?
crimson holly
Even when they are unarmored. Zealot can Go there without DMG. They get pulled Out of Cover.
potent echo
Deimos can stop a mutie from living
digital narwhal
Trauma + Deimos goes hard
potent echo
In psyker?
crimson holly
Meatgrinder
cyan notch
whats a ranger
potent echo
What do you mean a good player can do it
crimson holly
Rager. No Englisch autokorrect.
digital narwhal
You don't need to be good to use Surge.
It auto-targets, so why would they need to be a good player?
potent echo
Yea if there's no horde around, or anything else shooting you
Purge can suppress (and eventually kill) a reaper from 16m away
crimson holly
Because you can aim with Surge.
potent echo
Doesn't matter what's between you and the reaper
digital narwhal
Because you can aim with Surge.
No you can't.
It auto-selects targets except for the first one, which is chosen from any enemy around the crosshair.
potent echo
Because you can aim with Surge.
Yea you can aim if there are only 5 targets
What if there are more than 5
digital narwhal
Trauma is just Surge, but better.
Surge users cope hard to say it's remotely comparable.
crimson holly
When you consider dmg this much. Its No surprise
digital narwhal
If you're not bringing damage to Damnation, you're throwing.
crimson holly
Surge is a Support weapon und in Shock and Mailstrome extremly useful.
digital narwhal
Trauma CCs EVERYTHING except Muties n' Monstrosities.
Surge's only benefit is it CCs Muties.
Trauma CCs and does damage.
Surge does not do good damage.
Also, the moment there's more than 6 enemies you need to stop, it loses value.
Trauma has no such limit.
digital narwhal
Can anyone confirm for me if they raised Surge's cap to 9 from 6?
I don't recall seeing it in recent patch notes.
crimson holly
You have a meatgrinder 🙂
potent echo
Definitely not 9
crimson holly
Try it
digital narwhal
You have a meatgrinder 🙂
I mean, I used it a few days ago and I recall 6.
potent echo
But I'm not anywhere near my gaming PC
digital narwhal
So can you show me proof of it being 9?
crimson holly
Counting is hard but 8 better then 6 ^^
crimson holly
All i mean is that i prop miscounted
lofty temple
He's insulting you.
I'm insulting YOU
crimson holly
The Thanks was honest
digital narwhal
I'm insulting YOU
lofty temple
"Erm.... source???"
crimson holly
He is in His full right to call bullshit without prof
digital narwhal
Apparently not opperating by "It was revealed to me in a dream" makes you a Redditor now
digital narwhal
Uhhhh it is 8, yeah
crimson holly
digital narwhal
I see so many people memeing about "Surging 6 Poxwalkers" that I'd assumed it was 6
since I don't touch that thing really.
lofty temple
It was
whole oxide
it apparently got changed 1-2 months ago
but 6 or 8, surge still struggles in the highest pressure situations when there are more than 8 things that need dealing with
crimson holly
I also dont remember finding IT in the patchnotes
digital narwhal
but 6 or 8, surge still struggles in the highest pressure situations when there ...
Yeah.
I'd rather just take the funny boom stick that knocks everything within a 10 mile radius onto it's ass.
crimson holly
but 6 or 8, surge still struggles in the highest pressure situations when there ...
True but IT keeps Blitz of other classes Not Ness in less.
digital narwhal
True but IT keeps Blitz of other classes Not Ness in less.
What?
crimson holly
Have a Zealot and a Surge and you enter bliss
narrow crane
I would never be caught struggling with the surge in higher pressure situations, but maybe I'm built different
whole oxide
i think he means it allows zealots to not need to use their 'nade in some situations
digital narwhal
What?
digital narwhal
What?
whole oxide
I would never be caught struggling with the surge in higher pressure situations,...
no, instead you have to use other methods to work around surge's shortcoming
narrow crane
no you dont
whole oxide
oh, so if you're really really l33t-pro, you can make surge hit more targets? teach me
crimson holly
narrow crane
oh, so if you're really really l33t-pro, you can make surge hit more targets? te...
generally if I wanna stun more targets I usually just fire the surge again
whole oxide
and then the first set aren't stunned any more, big brain move
crimson holly
“If I wanna kill more targets, I usually just fire my gun again”
I mean..
Its okay Wozzy. They dont share the Love for surge
narrow crane
Trauma staff users all high and mighty until they see a mf staircase and then they go running behind Ogryn's shield
not me tho
crimson holly
They also struggel with gunner
magic edge
is surge staff needed for auric or can you use purgatus?
narrow crane
lmao you can use anything
crimson holly
Nothing is needed 🙂
potent echo
Surge the best staff though
crimson holly
Surge Just makes it easy
viscid matrix
Surge the best staff though
only if you want to cc
potent echo
Nah it's clear, it can beat stairs
viscid matrix
fair
crimson holly
Eversthing else can the other classes provide
potent echo
Yea just use illisi and bb the whole match but identify as a surge psyker
crimson holly
Only Thing that is only Psyk
narrow crane
just remember: NONE of this matters anyway
literally do whatever you want until wednesday
potent echo
Scrier surge meta incoming
plucky flax
No damage taken finale event nurgle blessing monsters maelstrom with surge staff. Must be op
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SltP0RbXE2c
still hearth
is surge staff needed for auric or can you use purgatus?
Surge is the worst staff atm
It's carried by the OP melee
plucky flax
is surge staff needed for auric or can you use purgatus?
It's trauma>surge>purg>voidstrike atm.
still hearth
Purg>trauma>void>surge
potent echo
No damage taken finale event nurgle blessing monsters maelstrom with surge staff...
Cool video, yes indeed surge is the strongest
plucky flax
No trauma is better.
potent echo
How you used it on the stairs, amazing
plucky flax
Surge is only second strongest.
whole oxide
at least we can all come together, in unison, to agree that void bad
plucky flax
Actually void is better than purg because it can sometimes kill shooters.
Purg players begging for vets to kill shooters for them.
potent echo
Purg can't handle shooters?
still hearth
Purg handles everything other than carapace
safe crystal
Uhhhh it is 8, yeah
Its 6. Theres 7 ragers here, and you can see the rager in the front row on the left not getting affected
still hearth
Surge players coping hard
whole oxide
is there a hit-mass aspect to it?
still hearth
Surge always hits 6 targets
safe crystal
Give me a sec, testing again with dregs. Im pretty sure no, though
potent echo
Also is the video meant to be ironic? I honestly can't tell
safe crystal
It just has a max target limit
potent echo
Surge always hits 6 targets
8 now
potent echo
Yea I'm not defending surge
digital narwhal
Its 6. Theres 7 ragers here, and you can see the rager in the front row on the l...
It hit 6 Poxies and 2 Ragers earlier when I did it
safe crystal
Hm, it does actually deal with hitmass. Stuns 8 dreg ragers
potent echo
I don't think it's hitmass
safe crystal
Well, yes
plucky flax
Only really high iq players can do well with surge staff.
crimson holly
Its 6. Theres 7 ragers here, and you can see the rager in the front row on the l...
Start from the Middel
safe crystal
Start from the Middel
I, uh.. Did you watch the video?
I aim at the centermost rager
safe crystal
It just, for some reason, cant target as many scab ragers and crushers
vestal fulcrum
@plucky flax
Gud Blazing Trauma?
Damage is on the bitter end, but beggars can't be choosers
plucky flax
Yo it's decent. I think it won't be an issue with breakpoint for flak enemies.
Check if you can kill dreg bruiser at high peril and 0 warp charges.
I don't think you can with that low damage roll, but then you just blast it 2 times.
fluid knot
Bottom 95% play purg and pray.
I hate to say it.. but its kinda true..
Purga is absolutely the entry level magic stick
still hearth
Because its OP
plucky flax
still hearth
Its a one trick pony with little to no versatility
Ah yeah the one trick of making every horde disappear along with everything in it and suppressing anything in 19m and staggering most enemies pony
Unlike surge that can..
Stun things
fluid knot
Wait what the fuck?
Trauma doesnt kill horde?
Loool
Thats a skill issue im afraid
still hearth
Show me proof of it killing hordes that aren't just trickling out of a single point
plucky flax
That's a worse take than some of puri's takes.
still hearth
whole oxide
blazing-trauma is 3rd fastest horde-clear pskyer has, only beaten by purg and illisi
still hearth
2.3m damage aoe damnn
fluid knot
Ah yeah the one trick of making every horde disappear along with everything in i...
Key there is 19m... its not versatile, it burns things, which two other staves and a feat can do...
You give up everything else you could possibly have for what is for all intents an purposes, a budget flamer
still hearth
Key there is 19m... its not versatile, it burns things, which two other staves a...
Do you have any idea how far 19m is my man
fluid knot
Not as far as the Ogryn boom grenade
But in all seriousness, its not actually that far
indigo portal
Except that it doesn't kill hordes
Not a perfect example but it's the best I have on hand rn. In the actual game the enemies will funnel a bit more into you, so you'll get a decent bit more hit per charged attack.
fluid knot
Well yeah.. its much more damaging and much more disruptive
crimson holly
I, uh.. Did you watch the video?
Can you try with 4 Charges of Brainburst?
safe crystal
It adds damage, not power. But sure, just give me a second
plucky flax
Not a perfect example but it's the best I have on hand rn. In the actual game th...
That's not horde killing that's meme. Purg best staff. Xxxd
indigo portal
That's not horde killing that's meme. Purg best staff. Xxxd
safe crystal
Can you try with 4 Charges of Brainburst?
Same thing with 6 charges, since i run warp battery if i ever use surge. Hits a max of 6 scab ragers and crushers
whole oxide
Same thing with 6 charges, since i run warp battery if i ever use surge. Hits a ...
try it with more enemies around
if there are 7 poxwalkers, i can only stun 6
if there are 9 poxwalkers, i stun 8
very strange interaction
crimson holly
if there are 9 poxwalkers, i stun 8
Do more and maybe its 9 😛
whole oxide
i can't count that high
with 12, i stun 8
but with the armoured ragers, its max of 6
with un-armoured ragers, its max 8
with reapers, its max 7
so, it's not just a set number, there's something going on
hmm, with reapers, i can get it up to 8 by swinging the camera around, so something to do with how it decides to jump targets
indigo portal
but with the armoured ragers, its max of 6
It's a max of 8 for me.
rugged fiber
Can someone tell me like the threshold for exploding with brain burst and staff ? because I seem to understand it 99.9% of the time but sometime there's this little 0.1% that makes me go boom
whole oxide
Can someone tell me like the threshold for exploding with brain burst and staff ...
with BB, as long as you START the cast at 97%, you're safe, BB operates different to staff
indigo portal
Can someone tell me like the threshold for exploding with brain burst and staff ...
iirc don't attempt anything beyond 96%, 97% if you're pushing it.
whole oxide
with staff, you have to RELEASE the cast below 100%
rugged fiber
with staff, you have to RELEASE the cast below 100%
Just exploded by releasing bellow 100% that's why I was asking
whole oxide
the 97% threshold is specifically for BB, it doesn't apply to staff
rugged fiber
Released at like 90% and went boom
whole oxide
well, not calling you a liar, but, that doesn't happen, there must be something else involved
olive ember
fluid knot
Ahh yes, because the Push is only there to save your from exploding..
queen fog
The infamous flame sneeze?
sinful bramble
I use it primarily to save allies if they get pounced or for making space, at least if it’s not a nurgle blessed special.
willow escarp
yeah without AB it is best for kinetic barrage or dogs
sinful bramble
If it’s nurgle blessed then uhhh that’s rough, buddy
willow escarp
but AB is still the patricians choice for clearing a screen of enemies
sinful bramble
AB is nice for yelling at shooters to fuck off
willow escarp
yeah being able to kill every shooter within 30m is nice
sinful bramble
Since the vet can’t be arsed
willow escarp
with pinning fire it’s really crazy but assuming that gets nerfed
left hare
i saw very cool psyker things in trailer
still hearth
Maybe people will stop saying surge staff is op
Smite will replace surge lets goo
fluid knot
Surge is probably getting reworked
echo sigil
as long as they stop using surge 
still hearth
They'll just use smite too much instead
fluid knot
yeah I wonder
I suspect it'll get a fat damage boost
whole oxide
has anyone actually seen the multi-hit for Smite? its described as "spreading slowly" which might make it functionally different enough from surge
crimson holly
if you think just dmg matter pls dont play 5+
still hearth
if you think just dmg matter pls dont play 5+
Literally damage is the most important part of this game tho lmao
spice veldt
dps-checking is nice
fluid knot
Mechanical knowledge beats damage every day of the week
spice veldt
not just for winning games but for fast games
whole oxide
its almost like 2 things can both matter simultaneously
still hearth
Fine
fluid knot
You can have all the DPS in teh world, but if you have all the braincells of a pigeon, it dont matter
still hearth
Game sense > DPS >>> CC
spice veldt
You can have all the DPS in teh world, but if you have all the braincells of a p...
ehhhhhhhhh
still hearth
Happy now
spice veldt
shredder and bolter clearly requiring a lot of braincells
still hearth
Enough dps and you don't need game sense tbh
spice veldt
most mechanically demanding weapons requiring a lot of care and attention
fluid knot
shredder and bolter clearly requiring a lot of braincells
And mostly the people which use the most overpowered stuff are the people you least want to roll in your team
Because they lack gamesense to a stupendous degree
fluid knot
Idk.. if i roll guys who're all using off meta stuff, i generally have more faith in the mission getting finished, its when i see aforementioned shredder or bolter guys i think "ahh yeah these guys probably gonna die to poxwalkers"
crimson holly
Idk.. if i roll guys who're all using off meta stuff, i generally have more fait...
lul
spice veldt
i don't notice any particular pattern with weapons
crimson holly
just reconlasgun..
still hearth
your prop a Boltergamer or a Zealot Main
No, but I did main Zealot first. But I have almost the same hours on Psyker so idk
spice veldt
people with meta stuff can be shit and people with non-meta stuff can be shit
crimson holly
Holy shit its that gun useless.
spice veldt
perhaps people who are better/have more experience self-select into running the non-meta stuff, but I'll have to see the numbers
still hearth
perhaps people who are better/have more experience self-select into running the ...
Brb time to play 2.5k games and post to reddit
reef island
what to change poxwalkers/groaners and uncanny strike to?
whole oxide
maniac, slaughterer
plucky flax
Hmm just played a game. 3 psykers 1 ogryn. 2 blaze traumas, 1 purg, and rumbler ogryn. Really make you think.
hybrid solstice
I'm definitely gonna be experimenting with the new gun psyker tools, it can suck to run into comps where no one just has a gun to click heads with
willow escarp
Hmm just played a game. 3 psykers 1 ogryn. 2 blaze traumas, 1 purg, and rumbler ...
most blessed Mostly Melee Enemies comp
plucky flax
Too bad it wasn't melee only modifier so I had to do most of the shooters killing.
willow escarp
this is when the ogryn covers the horde and the psykers menacingly deflector walk the shooters down
willow escarp
then he walks them down
hopefully one day the shield won’t make you slow as hell
maybe one day this week
plucky flax
Need better melee weapon on the right hand when using shield.
Bardin axe and shield did pretty good damage in vt2.
willow escarp
speed up the heavies and let me hold a sandwich in right hand
teal needle
Grail knight shield ruled
radiant lance
Worth 2k Melk Bucks? (I don't have much)
The 59% damage seems shitty but idk if it actually matters.
rough iron
All I want is this helmet for the psyker.
rough iron
Worth 2k Melk Bucks? (I don't have much)
The 59% damage seems shitty but idk if ...
Axes are never worth for me. They do single target damage and don't have much stagger on hit so you can get swarmed and destroyed quite easily. I recommend any blade, or chainweapon that isn't an axe.
still hearth
Worth 2k Melk Bucks? (I don't have much)
The 59% damage seems shitty but idk if ...
Not worth
still hearth
Axes are never worth for me. They do single target damage and don't have much st...
This one doesn't know about brutal momentum I see
rough iron
This one doesn't know about brutal momentum I see
Problem is you have to get it, and even then if you are alone and facing a horde you will get hit from every angle and an axe won't save you.
at least not on the higher difficulties
still hearth
I mean the achlys is just shit because of the swing patterns but lol combat axes have no issues with hordes.
They're not peak horde clear but they're still too good for their class
rough iron
There's only one combat axe that has cleave and that's the blue one what ever pattern it is. Unless you have max cleave it will only hit like 2 people.
spice veldt
brutal momentum?
still hearth
And getting blessings is the whole point of the game?
rough iron
And getting blessings is the whole point of the game?
Well he asked if it was worth it. I never care for blessings unless the weapon is flexible enough to be useful in every situation. Most blades and chainweapons tend to preform better than the axes.
spice veldt
well you have your own way of playing, but it probably doesn't apply to most other people
plucky flax
There's only one combat axe that has cleave and that's the blue one what ever pa...
Antax (the blue one) is veri op on zealot you don't need bm to clear horde with it. It's sus on other classes tho because of slow attack speed.
echo sigil
if you think just dmg matter pls dont play 5+
Amusing you actually believe surge staff has a place in the highest difficulty missions when the weapon actually gets worse the more difficult a mission becomes. I'm not in the mood for a discussion on this topic though, you want to believe the weapon is great? Fine by me but convincing me of surge staff being great?good luck with that , i have seen enough auric/maelstrom missions to know its not a great weapon. In the next patch you get a blitz that does a simular effect, thats a different mather but as a primary weapon? No chance in hell.
vocal sundial
if you can't handle the cognitive load of damnation hi5 true duos your opinion is invalid
plucky flax
I tru duo with surge staff.
still hearth
Well he asked if it was worth it. I never care for blessings unless the weapon i...
Doubt on that ond
plucky flax
It's op I can confirm.
radiant lance
Bruh Chain Weapons are crap.
rough iron
Doubt on that ond
You can doubt it all you want. The axes were made to handle single targets and are for a specific play style. Unless you have a crowd clearing range weapon which psykers do tend to have; the weapon will not handle very well when surrounded. At least with the blades they can do enough damage and some like the catachan swords actually stagger all targets except maniacs on hit.
If and even if people want a melee weapon that can destroy single targets even though you have brainburst then use an axe.
radiant lance
You can doubt it all you want. The axes were made to handle single targets and a...
My dude, no one is out here running Axes without Brutal Momentum. It's a given.
And it's not hard to proc. Just push attack if you're being swarmed and get a single headshot.
echo sigil
I tru duo with surge staff.
i know you are skilled player and i like you buuuuuuuuut still no. 😛
spice veldt
brainburst has an edge at range and against carapace, but pretty much every other weapon is going to be better than brainburst for DPS
keep in mind that brainburst, with the LMB, is 1100 base damage every 3 seconds (2 second channel + 1 second downtime)
radiant lance
Btw, Rashad or Antax?
still hearth
Rashad
safe crystal
Rashad, but might change on 4th
still hearth
It's currently just better
plucky flax
i know you are skilled player and i like you buuuuuuuuut still no. 😛
It's really good during special train though. You need teammates to kill the specials yes but in pressured moment it's valuable.
radiant lance
What is this roll lol.
steel flame
Amusing you actually believe surge staff has a place in the highest difficulty m...
I see throwing shade at surge staff is alive and well
radiant lance
What is this roll lol.
Worth upgrading to blue at all?
still hearth
I see throwing shade at surge staff is alive and well
Why do you keep saying this
It's not shade. It's illuminating reality
rough iron
I am assuming most people use voidstrike. I see that a lot in the higher difficulties
steel flame
Because it's an amazing staff that nobody knows how to use
still hearth
Because it's an amazing staff that nobody knows how to use <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771...
How do you use it
Enlighten me
still hearth
where do u think shade comes from vanessa
Ah fuck
plucky flax
Vanessa also said trauma can't clear horde so you can safely ignore their opinion.
still hearth
Vanessa also said trauma can't clear horde so you can safely ignore their opinio...
I said it's bad at it other than in ideal conditions yeah
That's still my view of it
rough iron
I've cleared hordes and fcked up maniacs because even the smallest charge from a trauma hitting a maniac just sends them on their ass. Ragers are nothing when trauma staff is active.
plucky flax
Mfw I use trauma only the whole round and being literally useless.
still hearth
Mfw I use trauma only the whole round and being literally useless. <:whatthefuck...
It's still a solid second place dw
rough iron
I mean I am assuming here, but it sounds like you aren't properly landing or charging your staff. Though I can only guess.
steel flame
How do you use it
I use m1 for melting everything most of the time, sniping elites and specials, clearing hordes, use lightning only when I need to stop some shooters or stop some specials. It's great in hordes because it's a fast and easy way deal damage while also keeping peril up to swap back to the diemos.
still hearth
I use m1 for melting everything most of the time, sniping elites and specials, c...
Too long, didn't read.
steel flame
The 500 damage crits off a 45% crit chance are tasty
still hearth
10 words or less please
rough iron
Too long, didn't read.
Being lazy is also something that people hate just as much as long sentences.
steel flame
Why aren't you?
radiant lance
Bro has to be trolling at this point
steel flame
You do know how to quell cancel right
still hearth
This is certainly a take
rough iron
wonder if all the ultimates will still be able to cancel perils.
I need to read that again rq
wow from what I am reading on the new ultimates. Only the Venting Shriek can cancel perils.
still hearth
Not as far as we know
rough iron
which is essentially the ability we already use.
steel flame
Why are you horde clearing with m1
Anyways if you get good enough with quell cancelling the m1 you can machine gun it into hordes and it's a 1 shot on most trash mobs past 40% peril With WU
rough iron
Curious why they didn't add any of the useful psyker disciplines like biomancy, or pyromancy.
Though I guess you could say brainsurge is biomancy at this rate.
But it is just a blitz ability.
Just imagining an ultimate that is just brainburst but can cause like 8 heads in front of you to pop at once.
If you were swarmed by specials that could be very useful.
steel flame
I'm just happy that I'll have a ult that's more useful than just quelling peril or killing a boss
rough iron
Tekekine shield annoys me a bit, because they could've easily just made the block for the psyker sword block projectiles and came up with something more useful.
Also there are psyker shields that can reflect melee and range as well but apparently the bubble shield wasn't an option because one of the bosses has it but that is a refractive shield.
steel flame
I hope the shield lets me push enemies with the bubble 🙂
rough iron
Well it doesn't say that it does, and to be honest the ability is 100% situational and useless if it doesn't eventually come with the ability to shove enemies. Any shotgunner or elite ranged infantry always try to flank or get close to you so the telekine shield would've been better if it was a bubble.
rough iron
Not to mention the original telekine shield is a bubble, and for some reason darktide won't give us it.
still hearth
Anyways if you get good enough with quell cancelling the m1 you can machine gun ...
Killing one horde minion is certainly better with the primary spam than trying to sap them with lightning I guess. I did do that a while ago iirc and while it works it just feels worse than the other options.
radiant lance
Weakspot damage is really bad right now.
But the staff as a whole is OK, ain't it?
And I can change the weakspot damage to whatever.
still hearth
But the staff as a whole is OK, ain't it?
It's like 80% there maybe. Not having 80% damage might hurt it a bit and not having +25% flak and unarmored too.
But Voidstrike is currently not the greatest
radiant lance
Is there an actual difference between +15 and +25 on Flak?
still hearth
Its basically broken
Yeah, about 10%
It helps if you aren't always doing full charged shots mostly
radiant lance
OK, so no biggy I guess.
still hearth
And don't have all your damage boosts up
But with WU and 6 charges you should be fine
radiant lance
So I should change the weakspot damage to +25% unarmored then?
radiant lance
This is decent, right?
Also what about this one? Decent enough?
still hearth
I prefer that. Maniac might also be a good option but I haven't done the BPs on Void in a while
radiant lance
Lastly, how's this? What should I change about it?
radiant lance
I prefer that. Maniac might also be a good option but I haven't done the BPs on ...
Thanks!
still hearth
You want maxed out damage, charge and blast radius on trauma I believe.
Idk I rarely use it.
@spice veldt probably knows
radiant lance
In regards to Trauma or Revolver?
still hearth
Ahh, the trauma.
Revolver is mostly just good for snap staggering things imo.
But we'll see next patch
radiant lance
I'm hoping it will be more useful next patch
Revolver doesn't actually have good blessings really as far as I recall
teal needle
For trauma damage isn't as important. charge and radius are tho
plucky flax
Damage unimportant 
half turtle
alright i haven't played this game in a year and have no idea what i'm doing are there any rolls i should make here
pls no "roll the 20% flak to 25% flak" i only have like another hour of gaming time today
whole oxide
you don't have to reroll 1000 times anymore, you can upgrade flak to 25% instantly
feral verge
But if you must, terrifying barrage is useless
half turtle
is the crafting not shit now
whole oxide
terrifying barrage to flurry would be my recommendation, although, everything might change in 3 days
half turtle
terrifying barrage to flurry would be my recommendation, although, everything mi...
hmm ok that's fair, i'll just hold onto it for now
plucky flax
Trauma does no damage anyway
That's like so true mane just the same as purg.
Dat's why purg also have damage dump stat cos it does nothing.
still hearth
That's true
echo cosmos
Isn't the difference between maximum and minimum 4 damage?
still hearth
Something like that, but it ticks like 3 times per second so its more like 12 damage per second you're losing out.
frosty garnet
Change barrage for Warp Flurry and maniac to infested or unarmored
olive ember
Isn't the difference between maximum and minimum 4 damage?
9-11
so 2 damage per tick difference
olive ember
Change barrage for Warp Flurry and maniac to infested or unarmored
why would you swap maniac to infested or unarmoured lol
waitttt
thats a trauma staff not a fucking purge
probably maniac to unarmoured then imo