#psyker-class
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I love putting that chain charging thing on the splodey stick
Haven't played for months, how many cosmetics did I miss
just go BOOM, BOOM, BOOMBOOMBOMBOMBOMBOM
There's a Dockets Shop for Cosmetics now
In case ya weren't around for that
yeah but only a couple of em are really good
Still can't get my carapace armor ogryn t.t
I remember that one, but it basically just changes the colours
also gives you a backpack
Still cosmetics
gotta get ready in that back to school event
Anyway, only new ones since then have been Premium Cosmetics
Like a Rogue Trader hat for Psyker
It's pretty cool
Oh, I'd better log in to check the store. After I read the patch notes, I can basically confirm that I will no longer main Zealot
Who you gonna main?
They did add more penance cosmetics though… which aren’t reskins
psyker
That was before or at the same time as the Docket Shop though, was it not?
Same time. I thought the person hasn’t played since that came out though
those are not great, its potato sack clothing
Don’t you talk about my cape and baggy pants like that
the head piece is kinda cool
the only good ones of the new pennance cosmetics
cap
itll be nice to have a surge staff in the pocket while taking trauma/void staff
Probably won't do the (meh) damage of surge. But honestly if smite is any good not sure why you'd bring surge
Maybe if psy shard is op, but if it is just bring trauma and get real kills to empower it
scryers gaze seems really funny
I could see it basically being current surge staff and then surge staff getting a mad huge upgrade
like REALLY funny
I'm still hoping it just becomes a cone of CC.
give me a force dagger that works with crit for insane clown funny moments
Just make it Purgatus but stun
I don't care if Surge does 0 damage if it stuns an entire horde
That would be too good honestly
Cone stun so you can actually stun hordes would be cool, instead of seeing Pub Psykers shock 6 Poxies at a time

shame
I'm fine with limited targets as long as it knows to prioritize the biggest ones
scrier's seems like the ult for non-force weapon users
Could definitely be useful with something like Transfer Peril Voidstrike though.
Transfer Peril + Blazing Spirit Voidstrike seems like it'd be pretty fun with Scrier's
Could do Warp Flurry too instead of Blazing Spirit, but the crit chance bonus makes Blazing Spirit a more obvious choice than usual imo
yeah since voidstrike is usually neutral
not that i would ever want to use it unless they changed the design of the weapon
the effect lingers for 10s after leaving the ult which is interesting
i assume that they changed warp unleashed into scrier's gaze
Tbh, all Staves could use a little something something imo
ur wrong
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Warp Unleashed might survive
maybe behind an iconic node
Maybe
free damage feats are basically must-picks
especially if they're non-conditional 10%-25%+ damage buffs
Since most Psykers should be able to manage themselves at high Peril anyway-
It's just free, yeah
is it over for flame psyker
Maybe not
or did they just not talk about it in the blog
I play hishock double grims with surge. 
We'll have to wait and see
Prove it
lightning psyker might be better at least
There are some unmentioned upgrade nodes to our Blitzes and Class Abilities, so
Why do you hurt me like this
maybe some Soulblaze effects are there
yeah and psyker having the most nodes locked behind our ults
i'm pretty excited to see the addons to our ults
hopefully staying at 6 warp charges the entire game is possible lol
Same
gaze seems like it's either going to be extremely strong or entirely useless
maybe not since it's based on elite/special kills, at least by default
25% cooldown reduction at max stacks
bb buff though so ultimately this is a win
I think i'll take the warp siphon ability just for that alone
There's no more base warp charges
They could have the 4% Warp Charge chance on kill by you or Coherent ally thing locked behind the Warp Siphon Keystone
it's joeing down
it's joever
we're jone
The keystone that gives warp charges also removes then when you ult

Warp Charges are now all Quicken
But worse
We are getting a 50% damage buff to Brain Burst though
So hopefully
BPs aren't impacted too much
(accounting for the enemy buffs they mentioned too)
yeah i'm using that to estimate how much they're increase enemy hp values by
hard to tell
so that probably means no more gun resist with warp stacks
since my guess is that they're buffing enemy hp values to avoid getting review-bombed by anti-nerfers
i guess it's also joever for ascendant blaze
The Toughness DR Skill is based on Peril, not Warp Charges
its not joever
nvm then
haven't played the game in like 5 months
hm
peril is called "warp charges" in code, so that results in some easy-to-make mistakes when writing descriptions
quelling peril isn't really an issue if you know what you're doing
the current ult has nice stagger and peril vent
true
Why would you use Shriek
it's a shame that it's on a 30s cooldown
i hope the knives are good
i'll prob stick to scrier's gaze since I'm a damage crackhead
The Quell is very useful for Warp Flurry Trauma
Gotta constantly reduce your peril to keep shriek going
I'll probably run Telekine Shield if Warp Unleashed survives
also the empower keystone seems just a little busted
Could be; we'll have to wait and see
i just hope it's not joever for blaze psyker, using your ult and then regaining all 6 warp charges immediately was funny
Well you wont need warp charges hopefully
i imagine that they'll play with cooldowns
if they ever decide to include ascendant blaze
e.g., increase your CD by 25% to make your ult inflict soulblaze
Hopefully they're made to be an addition instead of a necessity, yeah
at the very least surge psyker seems to be more viable with the rework
on paper, anyway

im still not too sure as to what role they think a psyker should fill in a team, its like pseudo support with the shield and stuns or whatever
🤔
why surge psyker
Because you can opt to not give up your weapon right?
I'm betting that Ascendant Blaze and Kinetic Barrage are two of the nodes linked to "Venting Shriek"
yeah because lightning is your blitz now
Then again, Kinetic Barrage could be linked to Brain Burst.
they aint say nun about surge

so... surge staff buff or what?
honestly if it is that's just more reason to use shriek anyway
otherwise gaze would be a direct upgrade
or shield
i hope the shield is actually good lol
I'd imagine Shriek would have at least 1 nice AOE option on it
and hopefully that's Ascendant Blaze
Shriek gonna be weird af
ascendant blaze but also give it the functionality of wildfire intrinsically for shits and giggles
Also what does it even do before the keystone
If the empowered version is the current shout
we're going to see psykers blow up a lot more
Helly eah
noobs
what psyker skin is this ? it looks like default prison garb but it's orange
I'm not a fan of "assail does not consume charges"
Why is it charge based
Let me spam peril to shoot missiles

thats just lame bb
It'd be funny if they had Shriek do direct damage lmao
Empower makes it not take a charge to shoot
i wonder if peril as a whole will remain an integer or not
it has to be more original
So fire trauma > shard > repeat
It also says "charges"
Not charge
Idk if its like a time thing that you have infinite power
Who knows
what does
the knives or whatever?
magic missile ammo
hm
i feel like i still might use brain burst
especially after the buff
the problem with that is that since warp charges aren't like... intrinsic anymore it might do less damage overall
u never know pretty hard to tell just fake theorycrafting it
well obviously
I assume the intention is that it stays at roughly the same value as rn
Anything else is wild
brain burst needed a buff anymore imo
The Empower for it seems pretty neat
tru
Hopefully Assail has head priority
But there's just so much we don't know since they didn't share the actual feats
Just wrote about them
Bb gets a 50% damage boost based on what they've put out so far
I wonder if Telekine Shield is breakable or not, or if it's invulnerable to damage-
'cause 15 seconds of an invulnerable shield is
pretty huge
40 second cooldown is not that much either
Nothing can get close to me anyway.
Just have two psykers
And it could be lower with Warp Siphon.
hm
So you can be invulnerable while moving
yeah that zealot ult will be a little strong
It's like 4s for a 60s cd
yeah but 4s of just straight up invincibility if you play it right
0.8 is definitely a number
Tbh I think the tick rate of the game might have something to do with it
seems like the zealot will be holding out the relic and won't be able to do anything else
yes aint nobody gonna take that
maybe every 1 second for 4 seconds total just felt ass in playtesting
Who knows
if they playtest
60s base cooldown so it's quite long
40 second cooldown on Telekine Shield
7.5% CDR per Warp Charge
If Warp Battery survives, that's 45% CDR on Telekine Shield per proc, in ideal scenarios.
Brings it down to a 22 second cooldown.
convince zealots to afk and channel and not to hold W and fly 200m ahead challenge (impossible)
now the question is whether or not the shield recharges while you have it up
If the "10% CDR for Class Ability on Elite/Specialist kill" survives, then you could lower it even further too.
because then that cuts it down to, in essence, 13 seconds? or what
Warp Siphon + Telekine Shield could make you theoretically near invulnerable to anything, as long as you use a weapon with strong CC to deal with melee enemies.

just a year since release
if there aren't any free damage feats, then i'll prob take scrier's
still
even with warp weapon
s
or i'll be free to take non-force weapons specifically because of scrier's
I'm gonna put myself on the line.
If Warp Unleashed doesn't survive, I'll delete my Psyker.
I'm that confident.
bro is gonna have 10s buff
i wonder if this will just be a class rework or if theyll add some more weapons or whatever
also im assuming this patch is where all the dev team went which is why it wa so hollow until now
Warp Unleashed is a way too influential skill to just kill off.
I'm sure it'll show up independently of Scrier's.
doesn't make sense the only damage bonus being scriers and no passives
scrier is meant to work with guns, melee, or at best, transfer peril weapons
What if we don't need damage buffs anymore
is that not warp battery on the bottom
you always need damage buffs
Most likely is from the looks of it, but don't count on it.
Just in case.
for burgle monstrosities, you gotta be ready
after spending some time messing around on other classes ive grown to really dislike trauma psychers
How come?
(I am insulted)
get their asses
i feel like a dementia patient looking at this tree, everything looks familiar but i cannot name a single thing
🗣️
they make a mess of hordes and they dont kill things well
we hold choke point and swing oh nvm trauma sent half them flying behind us
That just sounds like bad Trauma users.
Most trauma users are just Illisi enjoyers that want to stagger things sometimes
we shooting in front of us at elites oh nvm they on the floor now after a no charge bonk
rumbler ogryn
just ran 3 in a row with trauma boys who never used sword and just made life hell

Good Trauma users will Trauma at the back of a horde to push enemies into melee, and thin what's coming too.
Or right in front of friendlies who are being overwhelmed.
Or use it to clear shooters.
Or CC Ogryns.
Or delete groups of Elites.
Bad Trauma users will ignore the implications of throwing enemies everywhere.
That's me.
don't worry I hate most pub trauma psykers as well
you probs right they are probs just bad but god damn them being bad is like actually detrimental to the team lol
fuckers will see a psword vet and place their circle near or on me
perish

I'll Trauma what's coming to them and throw more enemies onto their sword.
i was the vet in those games lol
it felt sooo bad lol
Good Trauma users won't use the Trauma.
They'll place the circle right on top of people who don't need help, instead of using it to keep the team safe.
Unless very specific conditions occur
RUDE
I'm right here
Oh you meant-
Thought you were saying good players shouldn't use Trauma-
Bad player like me will spam surge and trauma only. 
Can't stop me blasting.
I sure can't.
oh surge spam is fine
But I can tell you it makes me sad.
it literally cant hurt the team
Thammer Zealots charging up a swing on a mutie
but trauma spam can get peeps killed lol
Literally weeping right now
Lets also hope for good penance drip 
skill issue
shoulda ran up to the mutie instead of afking
trauma requires critical thinking skills, which is something nobody specs their build into in public lobbies
i feel like i would always rather see any other staff in a pug other than trauma
I like Trauma for safety and clearing shooters.
I like blasting the legs off of 10 enemies at once.
Idk where this clearing shooters come from
yeah i like to do this thing called "having fun with different weapons"
it can
How do you even hit things from 5m away
It's good at just deleting pockets of enemies.
I get pissed off seeing any psyker not running their best weapon (revolver)
its called meta kid's learn it...
very annoying to melee-focused playstyles
Yeah but shooters love to not be in pockets
I've seen plenty of shooter pockets :V
Have you considered that this is a video game and fun isn't allowed only optimization?
Id rather have a trauma user smearing shit around a little bit than a surge user surging into a horde or brawlers or stalkers
Top smol shooters kill with trauma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WrRGbVgnZU
Its good if your team doesn't instantly fire on groups tho that's true
Id rather shit died than got cc'd, I feel like I'm weighing my team down when i bring surge into aurics
That's the secret ||you are||
laspistol or bust 
Plus, mid charge Trauma still one shots Shooters, which is useful with Warp Flurry for killing spread out shooters back to back
Don't even need Warp Flurry even, but it helps
Is that a Blessing or is that the auto-bb talent along with the applying blaze talent?
Blaze trauma is a blessing
they should nerf it to 30 damage since its op
60 damage ticks are huge against the medium size enemies
I mean, with Scrier's, if you can manage your Peril, the crit chance could be pretty cool for quickly spreading Soulblaze.
especially maulers and scabs
2 things first off whats the song 2nd i never see trauma players cleaning up the ones they flung so you def a cut above
If Trauma Psykers don't clean up their messes, then they're bad Trauma users.
It is probably going to be super hard to do that since you want to never reach 100%
i feel like the general metality is "oh big crowd its time to give everyone the big T"
But stay at like 80%+ constantly
Could be possible; we'll have to see how fast it passvely builds Peril
10% each second lets go
walk into auric damnation
die instantly via skill issue
I am suddenly terrible and have no idea why
Have you considered that you were being carried before
hope u learned your lesson
Just git gud
I usually carry most of my games, just having major skill issue out of nowhere
its called old age
I'm fucking 20 
Did you stop playing the game for over 48 hours
2 weeks
blows up heretic with mind
You now have the skill of a Malice Gamer
Whatever you say old man
You are cursed

CURSE OF TZEENTCH
time to run standard damnation until skill issue subsides
20 year olds were born past the year 2000
could also be that I got complacent with surge/illisi
you can only kill so many people in one swing so why not just knock them all down instead
shit's easy mode
👴⚰️
its ok to have fun and flatten an entire horde
just let your teammates run around and smack them while theyre on the floor
Just die more in Auric my guy
It'll teach you more than playing Damnation
Actually nevermind go back to Malice

the amount of buffs everyone is getting is making me scared
the enemies are about to get a huge buff/rebalance
Enemy health has got to be going up
even the abilities in the game already are getting buffed
horde guys are about to tank 120 damage a swing and still go crazy
This is confirmed iirc
trauma cant 1 shot poxwalkers with all buffs up now
Perfect.
packwatch rip bozo
Watch them buff all the Staves now
(Please FS)
If both enemy health and player defensive options go up i could see myself actually using purg
i hope theres new weapons
doesnt seem like it considering they didnt say shit till now
need some new real content
The class update is some nice content for sure, I won't discount it at all
But I won't say I'm not also eagerly awaiting more weapons.
update: the skill issue was an attention issue because 75% of my focus was on my bf's autistic rant about rifles
kek
I just want to know if psychic sharts are going to be good enough at range to be a valid tool for dealing with snipers
Always the struggle
Too busy being happy that your SO is being a dumbass sharing info you don't care about


ong
Yea why are they not in the match with you is the real question
Are you even a couple?!
he wants to give DT more time in the oven + rig issue
Oct 4th time
Oh I was being sarcastic, I tell all my friends to wait
Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ3WPd1KyTM
I am just veri pro with trauma. Trauma haters will say it's fake. :>
i personally love this version more than the original one.
its fake
Fake and true?
Yes, your friends. 
Wait wha
The friends you have.
Ye
The real friends that exist.
Ye
No gamer has friends come on

I probably have some.
Idk we never officially said we're friends.
How can you be sure
@vocal sundial are we friends
Aight I guess I'm a casual
Wdym you just know
People can do this thing called lying
???
You can never know
Unless its written in a contract
friends list is a contract
Idk you seem kinda sus to me

You didn't even carry me through auric maelstrom yet
How can we be friends
Ah well
RIP friendship
That's a red flag
i havent played auric yet
we are friends but not gamers
nor the whatever ascension whatever whatevr
gamers dont have friends so it checks out
it's just a funny pic i saw while i was there
Hello Psykers. Non Psyker player here and curious to know what you think so far about the tree from what we've seen? 50% more damage to brain burst looks cool and the shield sounds like a really neat thing.
it sure looks and sounds cool
I saw this important psa in japan
I will never smork again
yea should probably lay off the crack
Double up on the lightning
What if they made Surge single target
Just a massive single target damage and stun
Yeah
It'd even work really well with the smite
Since now you get both horde stun and single target stun
Assuming smite actually hits enough targets for that to be true
That's what voidstrike could be. Staff most in need of a rework...
Idk I enjoy the bowling ball
eh voidstrike would be good if they gave it actually infinite cleave
or atleast
like plasma gun levels of cleave
i do hope they play more with the cleave mechanics
Plasma Gun cleaves 5 targets though
plasmagun does not have a lot of cleave

does it?
Or 4
I enjoy the bowling ball up until 5 when it doesn't kill anything
Voidstrike should just do damage on its aoe as well
give voidstrike actually good cleave so it can atleast fill its roll of ranged horde clear
The AoE does like 20% of the shots damage or something
Or remove the AoE explosion
And go full on railgun
my idea was to distribute the damage based on the amount of cleave consumed
so if you hit a groaner which has 0.75 hitmass, you'll inflict 0.75/6 of the "net" damage
since its main gimmick is having a decent amount of cleave and no damage falloff, and then having its damage values balanced around these two things
IT do tho? I've never seen a voidstrike NOT hit an entire horde.That's kind of why its uber good
it has 6 cleave when fully charged
Iirc voidstrike only hits like 7 targets
I've seen that thing nuke entire lines of poxxers. I don't believe it
My ears don't lie! I hear that ffffft
it has infinite cleave if the server lags, but the projectile will still terminate on the spot where its cleave was all consumed
My worldview has been shattered
It's noticeable on damnation, those hordes take forever to kill with void strike
Cuz I’m on my phone
My rose tinted glasses ran over by a train
I waas better left in ignorance
you have drug me screaming into the light
you monsters
😔

Trust me on this one... You don't wanna know.
Audrey... don't tell him. You shouldna told me! Butcha did.
And now I'm telling you: You don't wanna know!
uhm purgatus staff perks/properties?
perks are low priority, stats are 80 range, and 76+ burn priority, blessings are warp flurry and warp nexus
Yeah it does need slightly better damage espacially on damnation and higher
Honestly they could double the damage of voidstrike and that might make it compete with other staves
pinning fire voidstrike
just give us blazing spirit IV on it and give it +15% base crit chance
Ah yes
also just gotten around reading the talent trees deep dive, there is no way Scrier's Gaze purge is going to be balanced right
make it the bestest staff you mean, yes 
it's essentially a conditional warp unleashed which i'm fine with
non-force psykers W
Also if the effects linger for 10s
You just need to stack it up to max and then you can let it go and use it again in 10s
presumably it's just the damage buff that lingers and not the base +10% dmg/+20% crit chance
monkeys paw curls
oh no
i assume that quelling is a problem
well there's the grenade slot
oh well
i just need to move my blitz key to something that's more accessible
it's a better WU with time dependent scaling, but we aren't sure that the trees are not gonna have anything resembling WU
purg will not be, i imagine, the most popular choice immediately
scriers also means u cant stop urself suiciding
i highly doubt that WU will remain in its current state
where my laser pewpew boys at
@viral solstice will psyker BB be able to one shot hounds come 10/4
would not make sense to me either but

Most important question
who is brainbursting hounds in 2023
it will leave them at 3hp 
🤔
But I need to know
revolver knife scrier
Does BB one shot hounds
maybe with the buff from scrier you might
if by now you mean wednesday, yes
Knives are the strongest weapon
i'm still going vraks 7 scrier
and no one can stop me
(idk i just don't like las weapons in darktide)
like they sound good, look good
i just don't like how they play, bullets make me happy
I’m just debating if I wanna run psychic shards smite it’s BB for my surge staff build
So like is smite horde clear? Than wats the shards for
smite reads as "weird surge" to me, so I wouldnt bet on it, but who knows
ok im buffing the vraks 7
shards are iether going to be like, waystalker ult but weak vs armor
or like idk
somethin
Just read the new psyker abilities 
Assail only has 100 base damage
I assume it does headshot damage like true flight volley
Does it only do 100 dmg?
another interesting thing is that battle meditation isn't a keystone anymore
i assumed that got moved behind scrier
100 baseline damage, and we don't know for sure if it can hit heads; I believe Hank mentioned they might though.
Plus, do remember that we get multiple of them.
How much hp does a Sniper have on damnation? 🤔
500
The weakest enemy has like 150 or 200 hp iirc
200hp for groaners
the problem is the vraks has autogun damage drop off which hits its bodyshot breakpoints REALLY BAD. its what makes them feel bad to use. you will just kind of hate your life after awhile. I tried to make vraks 7 work for a long time and it just feels like a worse helbore.
I thiiiink we'll have to hope that they prioritise heads.
Plus, they's been cooking this for a while now; I imagine it'd be somewhat usable.
Also aren’t they like buffing enemies n stuff
... i guess I'll have to try it myself. If it can reliably kill specials with limited commitment time I'll use it, otherwise meh
just aim for heads ez
The whole “suppression is useless if everything is already suppressed or dead”
the new abilities be looking very fun ngl
Which implies they are making things tankier
Vraks 7 has iron sights further pushing it into a close/mid range weapon playstyle cause you cant fucking see things while adsing lol
also big e literally gifted me a perfect stat vraks 7
so i'm usin it
also I use full auto mod
Amelia when she gets a perfect stat surge staff “the Big E told me to become surge staff main”
Yes yes?
it'll be difficult to avoid a DPS meta unless they make everything so unbelievably tanky, and it seems that they're going into the direction of tacking damage on top of CC stuff
like powderburn did
which makes it a lot better, the only downside imo is the weird less recoil while moving
Thats why I use my Shred/Blazing Spirit Illisi lol.
Blazing spirit is really bad on it but its 4/4 380 and I like turning the horde blue. Its objectively worse than like 8 other set ups on the weapon.
i cant wait to try out the ability that literally makes me go into berserker mode
things have to be tankier right? the new BB does +50% damage over the old one.
Voidstrike meta now
yeah, they remarked on buffing enemy hp values in the dev blog and gamereactor interview
Transfer peril and scrier
things seem to be getting a bit more health to account for the damage you could proc into with the new system
Imagine 
i wanna max BB build
Problem
and scaling up to +30% damage
Imo scrier is gonna be pretty dogshit with BB
the wording is a little ambiguous, but that could mean up to +40% damage
Hmm if you were going max bb i wonder if you'd want warp charges or empower
oh yea not scrier BB
thats if transfer peril will still exist
Way too much peril gain to actually use more than one BB
no idea if its going to be a talent you can choose or not
Atleast that’s my prediction
i'd probably go shriek (current F) with BB
cause KB is still there in the tree I think I saw
Im honestly REALLY excited for the utility of the dome shield. Seems kind of incredibly broken to me especially when you can have like 70% up time on it,.
Empower makes it cheap free
battle meditation wasn't one of the listed keystones
but I think it's behind scrier since there's a node with some downward arrows, which is presumably some "quell on kill" thing
We have no idea how much BB costs tho
no idea, we just know its modified from what it is now
True flight volley having ammo probably means no peril cost
With empower bb is free 
it likely wont be very good without the talents though, at least not near as good as it would be normally
True flight will also have unlimited ammo if you can get like 15 kills between each shot with empower
I hope they keep the talent that makes a target take +% more damage after BB. I love the utility of it on bosses.
Pump up your zealots thrust thunderhammer smack even more. YAY MULTIPLICITIVE.
I wonder if KB is still a thing
an empowered BB is also +50% damage
kinetic barrage seems to have been morphed into the empowered psionics thing
100% peril cost reduction and 50% cast time reduction
it's why i figured that some of our existing stuff has been also morphed
like warp unleashed -> scrier's
Bb also just getting another 50% damage perk in its teats
Psyker's gacha-ing in the warp
Big bursty
The spirit bomb brain burst was real 
so an empowered brain burst post-patch will deal 2.25x the damage of what we currently have
I'm curious about the better surge staff though
surge staff but with damage
psyker about to implode the crusher across the map after powering up
Not sure that's even confirmed yet. Not saying it can't happen though
Also you can channel it as long as you hold down lmb, from catshark's reply
Yea I'm talking about smite 
What’s the difference between charge and channel? Is it basically primary fire vs secondary fire?
Generally charging is done before the attack, and channelling is the attack!
channeling is the same as charging, if you use the terminology from Focused Channeling
it doesnt seem it will do huge damage, maybe the damage is based on how the blitz is focused?
like more damage if the lightning is focused on one enemy?
i assume that it'll have some damage falloff
the main thing is how it stuns enemies
voidstrike slander
because thats the main thing the surge staff is used for
voidstrike aint that bad, i got a really fun one with surge blessing
seems like the # of enemies that you can stun scales based on the amount you charge
surge blessing with warp nexus be really fun
Makes them do the cat breakdance
surge's advantage will presumably be its lock-on range if it stays the way it is and/or it'll be reworked to be better in some way
I'm trying to think which abilities would suit my purgatus staff
since my impression of smite is that it'll be a fairly short-ranged blitz
It would be either bb or assail, and maybe shield?
depends on what kind of stuff you want your build to do
i'm gonna go all into damage, assuming that force swords keep their infinite dodges
you could keep the current F ability, or you could go into shield to be a good support purgatus, etc
I like void strike and i want it to succeed. But also bringing voidstrike into 5s feels like I'm trolling my team
Idk if AB is still in this game
voidstrike kind of falls off in higher difficulties sadly
but it does have potential
if the surge blessing was a little better i feel it would have a really good niche
because having 2 hits per hit would be very good against some enemies
I watched some guy play voidstrike maelstrom recently, it's great at range
But close up he is just melee all the way
yeah close up that void strike aint doing anything
If a fully charged vs shot can't kill a gunner i legit just don't see the point
Also uses it during hordes with a bit of quell cancelling
Just bring a gun and kill the gunner faster
i mean, if we are talking the elite gunner, its not too hard to shoot another shot at them or have a teammate hit him quickly too
crab remarked on it being 12m
the charged up shot for void strike is more for AoE than extra damage
the charged shot is for cleave and damage
a non-charged void is fairly meh and will have 2 cleave at minimum
Not too hard to run a good weapon and just kill it either 
right but a charged shot against a single enemy by themselves wont be super duper powerful or anything
Yea the charge is not meant for single target damage
VS is also terrible against dense hordes though
It's.. decent
as a fun question: what weapon has also 6 cleave, more damage against every armour type except carapace, and better weakspot multipliers than the vstrike?
Revolver
ding ding
Is it revolver lol
horde wise the void strike charged shot aint too bad
if you like spam channel it it can chew through a decent amount at ranged
I mean the voidstrike has the aoe explosion to help clear out pure trash
yeah the way that the damage is distributed just makes it extremely geared towards hordeclear and nothing else
But yeah otherwise revolver would just be better
https://youtu.be/UJus_QnLLC8?si=IKNpSW7msZfN9XVJ
Trigger warning for surge staff users
in this episode we put z*pper apologists in their place and stab many things
please buff voidstrike
if you want single target though revolver would be better yeah, but at that point you might as well get a trauma staff with rending or something
Oh yeah telopots runs fairly off meta stuff
revolver doesnt do much good except for clear out really stubborn elites/specials
Just go trauma anyway it has infinite cleave lol
Yea trauma is very good
revolver hordeclear 😎
I dunk on vs because i'd like to see it buffed
maybe i should revisit trauma, i got a trauma staff with rending on it and havent given it a proper try yet
I dunk on the voidstrike because surge isn’t the worst staff
rending is whatever for pub games
just never got used to the secondary and how it works
i only went with rending because what RNG rolled for me
that and idk how effective the soulblaze is
Blaze generally beats rending but you can run with rending
Does trauma get warpnexus
Yes
trauma got warp nexus yeah
Trauma is a good staff for high level stuff, it clears dense hordes and you can keep yourself safe by just kind of blasting your own feet if you need to
oh damn didnt know you could blast it at your own feet
maybe i should use some resources and try to make that soulblaze one
Just remember when you feel like you don’t know something
Do people go flurry + blaze or nexus + blaze
A guy on Reddit was super confidently praising how good the surge staff was
I go flurry + rending 
But didn’t know you could stun mutants with it
The disclaimer for trauma is it knocks stuff around at the edges of the aoe without killing them, which could result in your team getting surrounded. So if you smear enemies around keep blasting them to finish them
I use trauma at the edges of the horde
So the enemies get blasted towards the middle
if you see a psword/hsword/illisi/bullbutcher player, don't use the trauma near them and let them do their thing
Also learn quell canceling so you have a mid range way of killing specials <<
Yea just trauma the parts that are leaking, you don't need to pretend you are helping by blasting the horde
Nahhh I spam trauma at them
It’s more efficient anyways
so use it as an area denial rather than directly punching holes in the horde
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Yea generally I use it as an overwatch weapon
Any stray poxwalkers going for the side shank? Exploded
uh huh
Psword or illisi or bb users gonna butcher the horde without your help anyway
better to let enemies gather around your melee hordeclear
i hope they nerf psword a bit
instead of staggering them and making them stand in place
i hope they nerf psword a lot
armour mods, stagger, and damage need to be tuned down
its nice to have but god damn those mfers just destroy everything
Swap to shovel, apparently it's decent and fun
same for the illisi
illisi's special has the same damage distribution as the psword's special
with minor differences in the single digits
If there's crushers or ragers that need staggered or you don't see want power swords or illisi or whatever feel free to just start blasting tho
it's not as offensive, but it has significantly better mobility
not that the psword is lacking either
i mean mobility wise i feel deimos is still pretty good
yeah I'm not discounting the deimos
Yea my role is mainly to ensure no attack connects with anyone on the team
it's better than than the illisi in that regard obviously
definitely better than obscurus
but it's my stance that hordeclear melee weapons should never have good mobility
i dont see anyone use that one anymore lol
nor should such hordeclear melee weapons have decent single-target or armour mods
illisi makes no tradeoffs to have the advantages that it has
yeah thats a fair point
We're all traumatized from when it was the only force sword still
the obscurus was fine
its not directly OP but with no tradeoffs it does kind of just do everything
id argue its disgustingly op
I’m ngl sometimes Arcotash just seems like a masochist that just wants everything harder for himself
I still see lmb macro bots here and there 
I’m having great fun with the illisi XD
i'm having fun as well
i mean i think shovel is like a perfect example of a horde clear weapon
but I'll also have fun if the illisi gets nerfed
and how it should be balanced
I wouldn’t
i have the same stance as i would with other games when it comes to weapon balance, if the higher difficulties become literally impossible without having to rely on some cheese mechanic or improperly balanced weapon, then maybe its not the weapon's fault
what in the world are u talkin about... both ogryn and vet shovels are subpar damage wise compared to other weapons for better stagger
illisi is just more broken
Obscures meta?
well we have to see what the update will do to enemies
Yeah illisi just needs to not kill elites so fast. Then it just fills a niche wel
they aren't horde clear at all lmao
i think they are changing HP values around and stuff
like both have hard target caps
shovel does fine horde clearing in my exp
i just have to use the push
its not horde clear like hsword or anything
shovel is bad for that job compared to literally anything that has uncapped cleave damage
Imagine Obs gets a moonlight greatsword anime energy sword wave on special 
it isn't a "horde clear" weapon
Why did it tag
no idea

Yes YES
shovel is geared around staggering stuff and has a super spammable special for that
to enable u to use melee
except make it actually good and not a meme
Cuz moonlight greatsword has been a meme for two fromsoft games now smh
and the ogryn shovel is like the same kinda thing but it knocks most enemies on their ass and has a h1 that can stagger ragers out of their attack combos
i havent used ogryns
but neither of them do great vs hordes
cuz damage caps, in some cases bad damage values, etc
would be funny to shoot energy waves
i mean we can argue what shovel is i just want horde clear weapons to be balanced better
both shovels could use a bit of tuning up to function properly but that doesnt really matter until we see whats happening on oct 4th
i think there's a bug in the game
i can't make 3 orange weapons after winning 1 mission anymore
Feature was removed
when i used shovel with decimator it did fine in horde management but i might have a different definition of what does well vs a horde
why does fatshark hate us
it's good for stagger/cc
but the damage on it is kinda sadge
u can handle urself in a horde (which is true of most weapons)
but its gimped by stupid fatshark design decisions from a rushed release like target damage caps
yeah thats all im really trying to say it does
the meta stuff clears 40 poxwalkers in 7 seconds or less (and that's when they're ramping up their stacks), so that's the baseline I'm running by
it doesnt horde clear for me and i die for not knowing melee
but it is capable of handling a horde
even if it sucks compared to a lot of other stuff
Hordes get a lot denser in damnation and a lot of melee weapons drop off there. Almost every weapon can do hordes up to heresy in my exp
yeah malice/heresy it doesnt matter lol
heresy is where u get to the last dif where stuff like an evis rev consistently 1 shots muties and whatnot
you can use w/e
prob a lot easier to hit breakpoints on 250 hp poxwalkers
but generally speaking we measure weapons by their performance in damnation/damnation+
i was referring to damnation
i havent tried it in auric yet
not that they get more health
groaners also have 150hp on heresy which is quite a step down from 200hp
realistically the only melee weapons that bother me is illisi/deimos/hsword/psword
BB is good but it is at least weak against armor and single target is more reasonable
illisi and psword especially bother me because of their decent armour mods
100% against everything except carapace (75%) and unyielding (175%)
yeah they just do everything
the stagger values on psword activations/illisi are so stupid
Yeah illisi and psword shouldn't wreck elites as fast as like knives do
i don't care about melee weapons having good single-target so deimos gets a pass from me, but I do hope that it gets balanced (or that other weapons get raised to its baseline)
if u couldnt like
run at a bunch of ragers
and spam special attacks to keep them all staggered
like they could just bring stuff up to make it so you actually need illisi level weapons to manage but i think thats not the best way to do it
that is a considerable change right there
if illisi just had worst single target across the board and probably infinite dodges removed id be much more ok with it despite the insane horde clear
p much
5 dodges is near infinite anyway
and worse flak/carapace/maniac damage
it having unyielding damage is fine and whatever to me
im not putting that to use often anyway lol
melee weapons having >100% unyielding is one of the things that I won't say no to
and esp with psyker having the same consecutive dodge cooldown as the zealot
ideally it would be on weapons meant for single target but if they dont wanna make things that hard stuck into roles its fine
i actually like that t hammer doesnt do super well with hordes but destroys single target which is why it doesnt bother me
but i know not everyone feels that way
biggest downside for me is it puts you in a weird spot for ranged weapon
balance-wise i'm fine with it, but i dislike the inherent design of being over-specialized
Only problem with t hammer is it shows up the eviscerator so hard 😉
i think thats just cause evis sucks
Yeah that's the joke
and the hammer being built to take advantage of zealot's current ult
rather than hammer being op
yeah it does work well with that
although a lot of things do
hsword does cause its maniac damage is crazy
so it destroys mutants
mostly all of the damage being loaded in slow hits, so the single melee attack buff that the ult gives gets a lot of value from the thammer
I really do hope they give the evisc an upgrade pass though
it needs a lot of help
mainly cleave
even with SS its like
not great
esp since cleave in this game on the good stuff is pretty high
idk what was standard in VT2
my actual biggest wish is that they make it so poxbursters dont knock other poxbursters into you on explosion
even if you just pushed them
hate it
it is extremely awkward to deal with when its the waves of poxbursters modifier
i almost feel forced to bring trauma lol
Or give each other stagger resistance 
But doesn't always line up just right
yeah push into F works well
If one explodes while the other is midleap, the midleap one becomes stagger resistant 
yeah ideally they just become immune to stagger once they fall over from a push or something
might make weird situations
but the current situation is also weird
i always bring trauma 😎
Usually the best way to do this is push the first one and ult the second one
everyone does bud ur not special
Since if you only push the first one second will hit
I do too but i don't always have the staff
i usually bring trauma but i also like void (sorry josho)
perish
i just played trauma + deimos not a bad combo
I don't bring staves so i had to git gud at melee
trauma for clear and high peril, deimos for melee
Deimos trauma is indeed a good combo
ur special (interpret this how you will)
i'm trauma + illisi

ive been using trauma illisi recently too
trauma's stagger is a blessing and a curse, so I prefer to avoid using if I can
and diving ranged patrols with the illisi is very nice
once i figured out it hits the same breakpoints as deimos anyway i was like oh
ill just bring illisi
usually I play illisi to keep my peril high by spamming special, but with trauma my peril is always high anyways so I tried deimos. I like how deimos does so much damage you dont even need the special to kill mutants lol
I like Trauma + Illisi personally.
I'm hopeing that Smite's single target version will be fairly high damage.
I know it probably won't be near Brain Rupture levels of damage, but... I don't wanna sacrifice my consistent ranged single target "fuck you" when using Smite.
Ya know?
I want it to be usable, at least.
Im hoping psychic shards are good, getting one back every 15 kills is super doable w gun or trauma lol
doesnt like using trauma
Wonders why he gets bonked by crushers
🙂
I am curious about the homing projectile ability
it sounds like a buffed version of the current staff primaries
your neck looks real strangleable
which do kinda suck unless you hit theh ead
😳
so making them homing seems kind of cracked
i gotta give someone shit




