#psyker-class

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digital narwhal
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Could go pretty nuts with Warp Unleashed (if it survives) on Trauma

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Gotta manage yourself, but

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the damage per blast could go crazy

vast hare
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I love putting that chain charging thing on the splodey stick

pine relic
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Haven't played for months, how many cosmetics did I miss

vast hare
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just go BOOM, BOOM, BOOMBOOMBOMBOMBOMBOM

digital narwhal
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In case ya weren't around for that

vast hare
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yeah but only a couple of em are really good

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Still can't get my carapace armor ogryn t.t

pine relic
vast hare
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also gives you a backpack

digital narwhal
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Still cosmetics

vast hare
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gotta get ready in that back to school event

digital narwhal
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Anyway, only new ones since then have been Premium Cosmetics

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Like a Rogue Trader hat for Psyker

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It's pretty cool

pine relic
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Oh, I'd better log in to check the store. After I read the patch notes, I can basically confirm that I will no longer main Zealot

digital narwhal
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Who you gonna main?

analog agate
pine relic
digital narwhal
analog agate
viscid matrix
analog agate
ivory heath
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the head piece is kinda cool

viscid matrix
fast swan
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wait how is smite different from shock staff?

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doest sound like itll do big damage

still hearth
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It isn't

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They're removing Surge

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It was too bad

fast swan
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cap

still hearth
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You can't prove me wrong yet

fast swan
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itll be nice to have a surge staff in the pocket while taking trauma/void staff

teal needle
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Probably won't do the (meh) damage of surge. But honestly if smite is any good not sure why you'd bring surge

still hearth
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Dude it can do 0 damage

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And its still better than giving up your ranged

teal needle
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Maybe if psy shard is op, but if it is just bring trauma and get real kills to empower it

fast swan
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scryers gaze seems really funny

vast hare
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I could see it basically being current surge staff and then surge staff getting a mad huge upgrade

fast swan
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like REALLY funny

vast hare
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Infinite 40% damage boost

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seems good

still hearth
fast swan
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give me a force dagger that works with crit for insane clown funny moments

still hearth
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Just make it Purgatus but stun

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I don't care if Surge does 0 damage if it stuns an entire horde

vast hare
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That would be too good honestly

still hearth
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Nah just make it do no damage

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Easy

digital narwhal
spice veldt
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shame

vast hare
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I'm fine with limited targets as long as it knows to prioritize the biggest ones

spice veldt
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scrier's seems like the ult for non-force weapon users

digital narwhal
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Transfer Peril + Blazing Spirit Voidstrike seems like it'd be pretty fun with Scrier's

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Could do Warp Flurry too instead of Blazing Spirit, but the crit chance bonus makes Blazing Spirit a more obvious choice than usual imo

spice veldt
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yeah since voidstrike is usually neutral

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not that i would ever want to use it unless they changed the design of the weapon

digital narwhal
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Yah

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Here's to hoping for some buffs or maybe even a mini rework

spice veldt
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the effect lingers for 10s after leaving the ult which is interesting

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i assume that they changed warp unleashed into scrier's gaze

digital narwhal
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Tbh, all Staves could use a little something something imo

cyan notch
digital narwhal
spice veldt
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maybe behind an iconic node

digital narwhal
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Maybe

spice veldt
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free damage feats are basically must-picks

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especially if they're non-conditional 10%-25%+ damage buffs

digital narwhal
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Since most Psykers should be able to manage themselves at high Peril anyway-

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It's just free, yeah

red wind
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is it over for flame psyker

digital narwhal
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Maybe not

red wind
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or did they just not talk about it in the blog

plucky flax
digital narwhal
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We'll have to wait and see

still hearth
red wind
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lightning psyker might be better at least

digital narwhal
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There are some unmentioned upgrade nodes to our Blitzes and Class Abilities, so

still hearth
digital narwhal
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maybe some Soulblaze effects are there

spice veldt
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yeah and psyker having the most nodes locked behind our ults

cyan notch
spice veldt
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i'm pretty excited to see the addons to our ults

red wind
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hopefully staying at 6 warp charges the entire game is possible lol

digital narwhal
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Same

red wind
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gaze seems like it's either going to be extremely strong or entirely useless

spice veldt
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maybe not since it's based on elite/special kills, at least by default

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25% cooldown reduction at max stacks

red wind
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bb buff though so ultimately this is a win

spice veldt
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I think i'll take the warp siphon ability just for that alone

still hearth
digital narwhal
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They could have the 4% Warp Charge chance on kill by you or Coherent ally thing locked behind the Warp Siphon Keystone

red wind
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it's joever

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we're jone

still hearth
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The keystone that gives warp charges also removes then when you ult

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Warp Charges are now all Quicken

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But worse

digital narwhal
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We are getting a 50% damage buff to Brain Burst though

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So hopefully

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BPs aren't impacted too much

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(accounting for the enemy buffs they mentioned too)

spice veldt
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yeah i'm using that to estimate how much they're increase enemy hp values by

cyan notch
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hard to tell

red wind
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so that probably means no more gun resist with warp stacks

spice veldt
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since my guess is that they're buffing enemy hp values to avoid getting review-bombed by anti-nerfers

red wind
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i guess it's also joever for ascendant blaze

digital narwhal
cyan notch
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its not joever

red wind
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haven't played the game in like 5 months

digital narwhal
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And since Scrier's passively generates Peril

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it might not be joever

red wind
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hm

spice veldt
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peril is called "warp charges" in code, so that results in some easy-to-make mistakes when writing descriptions

red wind
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is there even a point in using wrath anymore

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or shriek or whatever they called it

digital narwhal
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Warp Flurry spam

red wind
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quelling peril isn't really an issue if you know what you're doing

spice veldt
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the current ult has nice stagger and peril vent

red wind
still hearth
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Why would you use Shriek

spice veldt
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it's a shame that it's on a 30s cooldown

red wind
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i hope the knives are good

spice veldt
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i'll prob stick to scrier's gaze since I'm a damage crackhead

digital narwhal
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The Quell is very useful for Warp Flurry Trauma

still hearth
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Gotta constantly reduce your peril to keep shriek going

digital narwhal
red wind
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also the empower keystone seems just a little busted

digital narwhal
red wind
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i just hope it's not joever for blaze psyker, using your ult and then regaining all 6 warp charges immediately was funny

still hearth
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Well you wont need warp charges hopefully

spice veldt
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i imagine that they'll play with cooldowns

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if they ever decide to include ascendant blaze

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e.g., increase your CD by 25% to make your ult inflict soulblaze

digital narwhal
red wind
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at the very least surge psyker seems to be more viable with the rework

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on paper, anyway

red wind
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im still not too sure as to what role they think a psyker should fill in a team, its like pseudo support with the shield and stuns or whatever

spice veldt
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🤔

cyan notch
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why surge psyker

still hearth
digital narwhal
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I'm betting that Ascendant Blaze and Kinetic Barrage are two of the nodes linked to "Venting Shriek"

red wind
digital narwhal
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Then again, Kinetic Barrage could be linked to Brain Burst.

cyan notch
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they aint say nun about surge

digital narwhal
red wind
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so... surge staff buff or what?

still hearth
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Surge staff gone

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Dead

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RIP

red wind
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otherwise gaze would be a direct upgrade

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or shield

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i hope the shield is actually good lol

digital narwhal
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I'd imagine Shriek would have at least 1 nice AOE option on it

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and hopefully that's Ascendant Blaze

still hearth
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Shriek gonna be weird af

red wind
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ascendant blaze but also give it the functionality of wildfire intrinsically for shits and giggles

still hearth
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Also what does it even do before the keystone

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If the empowered version is the current shout

spice veldt
still hearth
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Helly eah

cyan notch
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noobs

languid tusk
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what psyker skin is this ? it looks like default prison garb but it's orange

still hearth
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I'm not a fan of "assail does not consume charges"

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Why is it charge based

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Let me spam peril to shoot missiles

cyan notch
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thats just lame bb

digital narwhal
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It'd be funny if they had Shriek do direct damage lmao

teal needle
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Empower makes it not take a charge to shoot

red wind
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i wonder if peril as a whole will remain an integer or not

cyan notch
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it has to be more original

teal needle
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So fire trauma > shard > repeat

still hearth
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It also says "charges"

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Not charge

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Idk if its like a time thing that you have infinite power

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Who knows

cyan notch
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it has ammo

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they said

red wind
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what does

digital narwhal
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Regenerating ammo it seems

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Assail

red wind
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the knives or whatever?

cyan notch
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magic missile ammo

red wind
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hm

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i feel like i still might use brain burst

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especially after the buff

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the problem with that is that since warp charges aren't like... intrinsic anymore it might do less damage overall

cyan notch
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u never know pretty hard to tell just fake theorycrafting it

red wind
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well obviously

still hearth
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I assume the intention is that it stays at roughly the same value as rn

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Anything else is wild

red wind
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brain burst needed a buff anymore imo

still hearth
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The Empower for it seems pretty neat

red wind
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tru

digital narwhal
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Hopefully Assail has head priority

still hearth
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But there's just so much we don't know since they didn't share the actual feats

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Just wrote about them

red wind
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i just want big big AOE on psyker personally

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that's why i ran flames

teal needle
digital narwhal
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I wonder if Telekine Shield is breakable or not, or if it's invulnerable to damage-

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'cause 15 seconds of an invulnerable shield is

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pretty huge

red wind
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only to ranged though

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still huge

digital narwhal
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Oh I know

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but I use Trauma Staff.

red wind
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40 second cooldown is not that much either

digital narwhal
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Nothing can get close to me anyway.

red wind
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true

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and your teammates can shoot through it

still hearth
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Just have two psykers

digital narwhal
still hearth
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And you're invulnerable

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Then have 2 Zealots

red wind
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hm

still hearth
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So you can be invulnerable while moving

red wind
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yeah that zealot ult will be a little strong

still hearth
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It's like 4s for a 60s cd

red wind
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yeah but 4s of just straight up invincibility if you play it right

still hearth
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And it heals 45% of toughness every 0.8s for some reason

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Idk what's up with that

red wind
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0.8 is definitely a number

still hearth
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Tbh I think the tick rate of the game might have something to do with it

spice veldt
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seems like the zealot will be holding out the relic and won't be able to do anything else

cyan notch
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yes aint nobody gonna take that

red wind
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maybe every 1 second for 4 seconds total just felt ass in playtesting

still hearth
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Who knows

red wind
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if they playtest

still hearth
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Maybe they can throw it out

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With a talent slot

spice veldt
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60s base cooldown so it's quite long

digital narwhal
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40 second cooldown on Telekine Shield
7.5% CDR per Warp Charge

If Warp Battery survives, that's 45% CDR on Telekine Shield per proc, in ideal scenarios.
Brings it down to a 22 second cooldown.

cyan notch
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convince zealots to afk and channel and not to hold W and fly 200m ahead challenge (impossible)

red wind
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now the question is whether or not the shield recharges while you have it up

digital narwhal
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If the "10% CDR for Class Ability on Elite/Specialist kill" survives, then you could lower it even further too.

red wind
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because then that cuts it down to, in essence, 13 seconds? or what

digital narwhal
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Warp Siphon + Telekine Shield could make you theoretically near invulnerable to anything, as long as you use a weapon with strong CC to deal with melee enemies.

red wind
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finally, support options in a team based shooter

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only took, what, a year? two?

spice veldt
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just a year since release

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if there aren't any free damage feats, then i'll prob take scrier's

red wind
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still

spice veldt
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even with warp weapon

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s

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or i'll be free to take non-force weapons specifically because of scrier's

digital narwhal
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I'm that confident.

cyan notch
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bro is gonna have 10s buff

red wind
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i wonder if this will just be a class rework or if theyll add some more weapons or whatever

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also im assuming this patch is where all the dev team went which is why it wa so hollow until now

digital narwhal
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Warp Unleashed is a way too influential skill to just kill off.

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I'm sure it'll show up independently of Scrier's.

upper galleon
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doesn't make sense the only damage bonus being scriers and no passives

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scrier is meant to work with guns, melee, or at best, transfer peril weapons

still hearth
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What if we don't need damage buffs anymore

red wind
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is that not warp battery on the bottom

upper galleon
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you always need damage buffs

digital narwhal
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Just in case.

upper galleon
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for burgle monstrosities, you gotta be ready

ivory heath
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after spending some time messing around on other classes ive grown to really dislike trauma psychers

digital narwhal
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(I am insulted)

cyan notch
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get their asses

red wind
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i feel like a dementia patient looking at this tree, everything looks familiar but i cannot name a single thing

cyan notch
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🗣️

ivory heath
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they make a mess of hordes and they dont kill things well

still hearth
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Yeah Trauma psykers

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Get gud

ivory heath
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we hold choke point and swing oh nvm trauma sent half them flying behind us

digital narwhal
still hearth
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Most trauma users are just Illisi enjoyers that want to stagger things sometimes

ivory heath
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we shooting in front of us at elites oh nvm they on the floor now after a no charge bonk

cyan notch
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rumbler ogryn

ivory heath
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just ran 3 in a row with trauma boys who never used sword and just made life hell

plucky flax
digital narwhal
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Good Trauma users will Trauma at the back of a horde to push enemies into melee, and thin what's coming too.
Or right in front of friendlies who are being overwhelmed.
Or use it to clear shooters.
Or CC Ogryns.
Or delete groups of Elites.

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Bad Trauma users will ignore the implications of throwing enemies everywhere.

spice veldt
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don't worry I hate most pub trauma psykers as well

ivory heath
plucky flax
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I trauma right on the guy meleeing horde.

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Thank me later. thumbs

spice veldt
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fuckers will see a psword vet and place their circle near or on me

spice veldt
plucky flax
digital narwhal
ivory heath
digital narwhal
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But pub Traumas will deprive people of their melee loop.

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Feels bad.

ivory heath
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it felt sooo bad lol

still hearth
digital narwhal
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They'll place the circle right on top of people who don't need help, instead of using it to keep the team safe.

still hearth
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Unless very specific conditions occur

digital narwhal
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I'm right here

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Oh you meant-

still hearth
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Yeah what did I say.

digital narwhal
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Thought you were saying good players shouldn't use Trauma-

plucky flax
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Bad player like me will spam surge and trauma only. whatthefuck_heresy

digital narwhal
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I'm way too used to sly insults here lmao

plucky flax
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Can't stop me blasting.

still hearth
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I sure can't.

ivory heath
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oh surge spam is fine

still hearth
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But I can tell you it makes me sad.

ivory heath
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it literally cant hurt the team

still hearth
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Thammer Zealots charging up a swing on a mutie

ivory heath
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but trauma spam can get peeps killed lol

still hearth
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Literally weeping right now

idle aurora
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Lets also hope for good penance drip thumbsup_ogryn

cyan notch
plucky flax
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Shouldn't use hammer in the first place.

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Bad weapon.

cyan notch
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shoulda ran up to the mutie instead of afking

red wind
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trauma requires critical thinking skills, which is something nobody specs their build into in public lobbies

still hearth
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Yeah but

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Purgatus

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Doesn't

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So just use it

ivory heath
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i feel like i would always rather see any other staff in a pug other than trauma

digital narwhal
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I like Trauma for safety and clearing shooters.

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I like blasting the legs off of 10 enemies at once.

still hearth
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Idk where this clearing shooters come from

red wind
spice veldt
still hearth
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How do you even hit things from 5m away

digital narwhal
viral solstice
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I get pissed off seeing any psyker not running their best weapon (revolver)

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its called meta kid's learn it...

spice veldt
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very annoying to melee-focused playstyles

still hearth
digital narwhal
still hearth
teal needle
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Id rather have a trauma user smearing shit around a little bit than a surge user surging into a horde or brawlers or stalkers

plucky flax
still hearth
teal needle
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Id rather shit died than got cc'd, I feel like I'm weighing my team down when i bring surge into aurics

still hearth
rocky osprey
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laspistol or bust chad

digital narwhal
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Plus, mid charge Trauma still one shots Shooters, which is useful with Warp Flurry for killing spread out shooters back to back

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Don't even need Warp Flurry even, but it helps

vast hare
still hearth
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Blaze trauma is a blessing

vast hare
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Also what is that UI mod

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I need that one

still hearth
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Also Blaze Trauma OP: proceeds to show blaze doing like 60 damage at most

cyan notch
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they should nerf it to 30 damage since its op

vast hare
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60 damage ticks are huge against the medium size enemies

digital narwhal
vast hare
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especially maulers and scabs

ivory heath
digital narwhal
still hearth
ivory heath
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i feel like the general metality is "oh big crowd its time to give everyone the big T"

still hearth
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But stay at like 80%+ constantly

digital narwhal
still hearth
fresh reef
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walk into auric damnation
die instantly via skill issue
I am suddenly terrible and have no idea why

still hearth
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Have you considered that you were being carried before

cyan notch
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hope u learned your lesson

still hearth
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Just git gud

fresh reef
cyan notch
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its called old age

fresh reef
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I'm fucking 20 KEKW_ogryn

still hearth
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Did you stop playing the game for over 48 hours

fresh reef
still hearth
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Ah yeah

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You're bad now

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Sorry

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THat's just how it works

upper galleon
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blows up heretic with mind

digital narwhal
haughty scarab
digital narwhal
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You are cursed

haughty scarab
cyan notch
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dont play till the 4th

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then evrryone will be noob together

sinful bramble
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CURSE OF TZEENTCH

fresh reef
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time to run standard damnation until skill issue subsides

teal needle
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20 year olds were born past the year 2000

fresh reef
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could also be that I got complacent with surge/illisi

flat shadow
fresh reef
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shit's easy mode

teal needle
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👴⚰️

flat shadow
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its ok to have fun and flatten an entire horde

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just let your teammates run around and smack them while theyre on the floor

still hearth
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It'll teach you more than playing Damnation

still hearth
flat shadow
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the enemies are about to get a huge buff/rebalance

teal needle
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Enemy health has got to be going up

flat shadow
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even the abilities in the game already are getting buffed

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horde guys are about to tank 120 damage a swing and still go crazy

digital narwhal
spice veldt
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yeah they remarked on it

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in the other dev blog and the interview

cyan notch
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trauma cant 1 shot poxwalkers with all buffs up now

still hearth
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Perfect.

cyan notch
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packwatch rip bozo

still hearth
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Purgatus supremacy go

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Inb4 they nerf the DoTs

digital narwhal
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(Please FS)

teal needle
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If both enemy health and player defensive options go up i could see myself actually using purg

cyan notch
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i hope theres new weapons

sinful bramble
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Just one new staff or sword FS please

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Just a crumb...

cyan notch
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doesnt seem like it considering they didnt say shit till now

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need some new real content

sinful bramble
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The class update is some nice content for sure, I won't discount it at all

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But I won't say I'm not also eagerly awaiting more weapons.

fresh reef
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update: the skill issue was an attention issue because 75% of my focus was on my bf's autistic rant about rifles

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kek

teal needle
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I just want to know if psychic sharts are going to be good enough at range to be a valid tool for dealing with snipers

still hearth
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Too busy being happy that your SO is being a dumbass sharing info you don't care about

haughty scarab
haughty scarab
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Yea why are they not in the match with you is the real question
Are you even a couple?!

fresh reef
still hearth
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Oct 4th time

haughty scarab
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Oh I was being sarcastic, I tell all my friends to wait

plucky flax
cyan notch
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its fake

plucky flax
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Tru FeelsStrongMan

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Deepfake AI generated

haughty scarab
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Fake and true?

still hearth
haughty scarab
still hearth
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The friends you have.

haughty scarab
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Ye

still hearth
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The real friends that exist.

haughty scarab
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Ye

still hearth
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No gamer has friends come on

haughty scarab
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You don't have any?

still hearth
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I probably have some.

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Idk we never officially said we're friends.

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How can you be sure

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@vocal sundial are we friends

cyan notch
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youre a casual

still hearth
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Aight I guess I'm a casual

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Wdym you just know

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People can do this thing called lying

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???

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You can never know

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Unless its written in a contract

cyan notch
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friends list is a contract

still hearth
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Idk you seem kinda sus to me

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You didn't even carry me through auric maelstrom yet

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How can we be friends

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Ah well

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RIP friendship

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That's a red flag

cyan notch
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i havent played auric yet

vocal sundial
cyan notch
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nor the whatever ascension whatever whatevr

still hearth
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At least I have friends

ivory heath
vocal sundial
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it's just a funny pic i saw while i was there

tropic scarab
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Hello Psykers. Non Psyker player here and curious to know what you think so far about the tree from what we've seen? 50% more damage to brain burst looks cool and the shield sounds like a really neat thing.

cyan notch
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it sure looks and sounds cool

teal needle
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I will never smork again

cyan notch
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yea should probably lay off the crack

olive ember
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@cyan notch you ready for the ultimate palpatine build

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surge staff + smite + illisi

still hearth
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Double up on the lightning

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What if they made Surge single target

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Just a massive single target damage and stun

olive ember
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genuinely?

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I'd love that

still hearth
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Yeah

olive ember
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Psyker needs a single target staff

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well not needs

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but it would be nice

still hearth
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It'd even work really well with the smite

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Since now you get both horde stun and single target stun

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Assuming smite actually hits enough targets for that to be true

teal needle
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That's what voidstrike could be. Staff most in need of a rework...

still hearth
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Idk I enjoy the bowling ball

olive ember
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eh voidstrike would be good if they gave it actually infinite cleave

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or atleast

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like plasma gun levels of cleave

spice veldt
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i do hope they play more with the cleave mechanics

still hearth
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Plasma Gun cleaves 5 targets though

spice veldt
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plasmagun does not have a lot of cleave

still hearth
olive ember
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does it?

still hearth
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Or 4

olive ember
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nvrm

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ignore that

teal needle
#

I enjoy the bowling ball up until 5 when it doesn't kill anything

spice veldt
#

it has an explosion on hit that does some damage

#

but no particular cleave

still hearth
#

Voidstrike should just do damage on its aoe as well

olive ember
#

give voidstrike actually good cleave so it can atleast fill its roll of ranged horde clear

still hearth
#

The AoE does like 20% of the shots damage or something

#

Or remove the AoE explosion

#

And go full on railgun

spice veldt
#

my idea was to distribute the damage based on the amount of cleave consumed
so if you hit a groaner which has 0.75 hitmass, you'll inflict 0.75/6 of the "net" damage

#

since its main gimmick is having a decent amount of cleave and no damage falloff, and then having its damage values balanced around these two things

vast hare
spice veldt
#

it has 6 cleave when fully charged

teal needle
#

Iirc voidstrike only hits like 7 targets

vast hare
#

I've seen that thing nuke entire lines of poxxers. I don't believe it

#

My ears don't lie! I hear that ffffft

spice veldt
#

it has infinite cleave if the server lags, but the projectile will still terminate on the spot where its cleave was all consumed

olive ember
#

We have clips

#

But I can’t be assed to find it

vast hare
#

My worldview has been shattered

teal needle
#

It's noticeable on damnation, those hordes take forever to kill with void strike

olive ember
#

Cuz I’m on my phone

vast hare
#

My rose tinted glasses ran over by a train

#

I waas better left in ignorance

#

you have drug me screaming into the light

#

you monsters

spice veldt
#

😔

teal needle
vast hare
dull osprey
#

uhm purgatus staff perks/properties?

harsh urchin
bold patrol
teal needle
#

Honestly they could double the damage of voidstrike and that might make it compete with other staves

spice veldt
#

pinning fire voidstrike

viral solstice
#

give voidstrike double damage and mega cleave

#

and also pinning fire

#

ok on it

still hearth
#

Ye ye

#

Just make it kill anything it shoots at

#

And cleave everything

golden frigate
#

just give us blazing spirit IV on it and give it +15% base crit chance

still hearth
#

Ah yes

golden frigate
#

also just gotten around reading the talent trees deep dive, there is no way Scrier's Gaze purge is going to be balanced right

still hearth
#

Just give it bad stuff

golden frigate
spice veldt
#

it's essentially a conditional warp unleashed which i'm fine with

#

non-force psykers W

still hearth
#

Also if the effects linger for 10s

#

You just need to stack it up to max and then you can let it go and use it again in 10s

spice veldt
#

presumably it's just the damage buff that lingers and not the base +10% dmg/+20% crit chance

viral solstice
spice veldt
#

i assume that quelling is a problem

#

well there's the grenade slot

#

oh well

#

i just need to move my blitz key to something that's more accessible

golden frigate
viral solstice
#

purg will not be, i imagine, the most popular choice immediately

#

scriers also means u cant stop urself suiciding

spice veldt
#

i highly doubt that WU will remain in its current state

golden frigate
#

where my laser pewpew boys at

olive ember
#

@viral solstice will psyker BB be able to one shot hounds come 10/4

golden frigate
viral solstice
olive ember
#

Most important question

viral solstice
#

who is brainbursting hounds in 2023

golden frigate
#

it will leave them at 3hp thumbsup_ogryn

viral solstice
#

shoot the knives

olive ember
#

🤔

golden frigate
#

yeah, honestly, knives

#

they sound nice

olive ember
#

But I need to know

spice veldt
#

revolver knife scrier

olive ember
#

Does BB one shot hounds

spice veldt
#

maybe with the buff from scrier you might

olive ember
#

Recon las knife scrier

#

Is recon las meta now

golden frigate
#

if by now you mean wednesday, yes

still hearth
#

Knives are the strongest weapon

golden frigate
#

knife only run when

#

4 knivers

#

london POV

upper galleon
#

and no one can stop me

#

(idk i just don't like las weapons in darktide)

#

like they sound good, look good

#

i just don't like how they play, bullets make me happy

olive ember
#

I’m just debating if I wanna run psychic shards smite it’s BB for my surge staff build

#

So like is smite horde clear? Than wats the shards for

golden frigate
#

smite reads as "weird surge" to me, so I wouldnt bet on it, but who knows

viral solstice
olive ember
#

Won’t buff recon

upper galleon
#

shards are iether going to be like, waystalker ult but weak vs armor

#

or like idk

#

somethin

potent echo
#

Just read the new psyker abilities whatthefuck_heresy

#

Assail only has 100 base damage staregryn I assume it does headshot damage like true flight volley

olive ember
#

Does it only do 100 dmg?

plucky flax
#

Yeah it's as bad as purg staff.

#

Keep bb and trauma.

vast hare
#

wait where did you read that?

#

I dont recall any numbers on the devlog

spice veldt
#

another interesting thing is that battle meditation isn't a keystone anymore

#

i assumed that got moved behind scrier

digital narwhal
#

100 baseline damage, and we don't know for sure if it can hit heads; I believe Hank mentioned they might though.
Plus, do remember that we get multiple of them.

teal needle
#

How much hp does a Sniper have on damnation? 🤔

spice veldt
#

500

olive ember
#

The weakest enemy has like 150 or 200 hp iirc

spice veldt
#

200hp for groaners

thorn tapir
# upper galleon i'm still going vraks 7 scrier

the problem is the vraks has autogun damage drop off which hits its bodyshot breakpoints REALLY BAD. its what makes them feel bad to use. you will just kind of hate your life after awhile. I tried to make vraks 7 work for a long time and it just feels like a worse helbore.

olive ember
#

It’s like 200 for groaners 300 for poxwalkers

#

And I forget besides that

digital narwhal
#

I thiiiink we'll have to hope that they prioritise heads.

#

Plus, they's been cooking this for a while now; I imagine it'd be somewhat usable.

olive ember
#

Also aren’t they like buffing enemies n stuff

teal needle
#

... i guess I'll have to try it myself. If it can reliably kill specials with limited commitment time I'll use it, otherwise meh

olive ember
#

The whole “suppression is useless if everything is already suppressed or dead”

true lake
#

the new abilities be looking very fun ngl

olive ember
#

Which implies they are making things tankier

thorn tapir
upper galleon
#

also big e literally gifted me a perfect stat vraks 7

#

so i'm usin it

#

also I use full auto mod

olive ember
#

Amelia when she gets a perfect stat surge staff “the Big E told me to become surge staff main”

#

Yes yes?

spice veldt
#

it'll be difficult to avoid a DPS meta unless they make everything so unbelievably tanky, and it seems that they're going into the direction of tacking damage on top of CC stuff

#

like powderburn did

upper galleon
#

which makes it a lot better, the only downside imo is the weird less recoil while moving

thorn tapir
true lake
#

i cant wait to try out the ability that literally makes me go into berserker mode

spice veldt
#

yeah I'm absolutely going for scrier

#

seems like warp unleashed became scrier

thorn tapir
potent echo
#

Voidstrike meta now

spice veldt
#

yeah, they remarked on buffing enemy hp values in the dev blog and gamereactor interview

potent echo
#

Transfer peril and scrier

true lake
#

things seem to be getting a bit more health to account for the damage you could proc into with the new system

potent echo
#

Imagine whatthefuck_heresy

upper galleon
#

i wanna max BB build

olive ember
#

Problem

spice veldt
#

and scaling up to +30% damage

olive ember
#

Transfer peril requires voidstrike

#

Instant F tier

upper galleon
#

all the damage bonuses i can get + new BB

#

scrier transfer peril build might work

olive ember
#

Imo scrier is gonna be pretty dogshit with BB

spice veldt
#

the wording is a little ambiguous, but that could mean up to +40% damage

teal needle
#

Hmm if you were going max bb i wonder if you'd want warp charges or empower

upper galleon
#

oh yea not scrier BB

true lake
#

thats if transfer peril will still exist

olive ember
#

Way too much peril gain to actually use more than one BB

true lake
#

no idea if its going to be a talent you can choose or not

olive ember
#

Atleast that’s my prediction

upper galleon
#

i'd probably go shriek (current F) with BB

#

cause KB is still there in the tree I think I saw

thorn tapir
#

Im honestly REALLY excited for the utility of the dome shield. Seems kind of incredibly broken to me especially when you can have like 70% up time on it,.

teal needle
spice veldt
#

battle meditation wasn't one of the listed keystones

#

but I think it's behind scrier since there's a node with some downward arrows, which is presumably some "quell on kill" thing

potent echo
#

We have no idea how much BB costs tho

true lake
#

no idea, we just know its modified from what it is now

potent echo
#

True flight volley having ammo probably means no peril cost

teal needle
#

With empower bb is free KEKW_ogryn

true lake
#

it likely wont be very good without the talents though, at least not near as good as it would be normally

teal needle
#

True flight will also have unlimited ammo if you can get like 15 kills between each shot with empower

thorn tapir
#

I hope they keep the talent that makes a target take +% more damage after BB. I love the utility of it on bosses.

#

Pump up your zealots thrust thunderhammer smack even more. YAY MULTIPLICITIVE.

potent echo
#

I wonder if KB is still a thing

spice veldt
#

an empowered BB is also +50% damage

#

kinetic barrage seems to have been morphed into the empowered psionics thing

#

100% peril cost reduction and 50% cast time reduction

true lake
#

yeah seems like kinetic barrage was dropped for that

#

same thing

spice veldt
#

it's why i figured that some of our existing stuff has been also morphed

#

like warp unleashed -> scrier's

teal needle
potent echo
#

Psyker's gacha-ing in the warp

teal needle
#

Big bursty

potent echo
#

The spirit bomb brain burst was real KEKW_ogryn

spice veldt
#

so an empowered brain burst post-patch will deal 2.25x the damage of what we currently have

potent echo
#

I'm curious about the better surge staff though

spice veldt
#

surge staff but with damage

true lake
#

psyker about to implode the crusher across the map after powering up

teal needle
potent echo
#

Also you can channel it as long as you hold down lmb, from catshark's reply

true lake
#

well we got a blitz ability that is like the surge staff

#

pretty much same thing

potent echo
#

Yea I'm talking about smite KEKW_ogryn

spice veldt
potent echo
#

What’s the difference between charge and channel? Is it basically primary fire vs secondary fire?

Generally charging is done before the attack, and channelling is the attack!

spice veldt
#

channeling is the same as charging, if you use the terminology from Focused Channeling

true lake
#

it doesnt seem it will do huge damage, maybe the damage is based on how the blitz is focused?

#

like more damage if the lightning is focused on one enemy?

spice veldt
#

i assume that it'll have some damage falloff

true lake
#

the main thing is how it stuns enemies

true lake
#

because thats the main thing the surge staff is used for

#

voidstrike aint that bad, i got a really fun one with surge blessing

spice veldt
#

seems like the # of enemies that you can stun scales based on the amount you charge

true lake
#

surge blessing with warp nexus be really fun

potent echo
#

Makes them do the cat breakdance

spice veldt
#

surge's advantage will presumably be its lock-on range if it stays the way it is and/or it'll be reworked to be better in some way

potent echo
#

I'm trying to think which abilities would suit my purgatus staff

spice veldt
#

since my impression of smite is that it'll be a fairly short-ranged blitz

potent echo
#

It would be either bb or assail, and maybe shield?

true lake
#

depends on what kind of stuff you want your build to do

spice veldt
#

i'm gonna go all into damage, assuming that force swords keep their infinite dodges

true lake
#

you could keep the current F ability, or you could go into shield to be a good support purgatus, etc

teal needle
#

I like void strike and i want it to succeed. But also bringing voidstrike into 5s feels like I'm trolling my team

potent echo
#

Idk if AB is still in this game

true lake
#

voidstrike kind of falls off in higher difficulties sadly

#

but it does have potential

#

if the surge blessing was a little better i feel it would have a really good niche

#

because having 2 hits per hit would be very good against some enemies

potent echo
#

I watched some guy play voidstrike maelstrom recently, it's great at range

#

But close up he is just melee all the way

true lake
#

yeah close up that void strike aint doing anything

teal needle
#

If a fully charged vs shot can't kill a gunner i legit just don't see the point

potent echo
#

Also uses it during hordes with a bit of quell cancelling

teal needle
#

Just bring a gun and kill the gunner faster

potent echo
#

It's for the 50m suppression

true lake
#

i mean, if we are talking the elite gunner, its not too hard to shoot another shot at them or have a teammate hit him quickly too

spice veldt
#

crab remarked on it being 12m

true lake
#

the charged up shot for void strike is more for AoE than extra damage

spice veldt
#

the charged shot is for cleave and damage

#

a non-charged void is fairly meh and will have 2 cleave at minimum

teal needle
true lake
#

right but a charged shot against a single enemy by themselves wont be super duper powerful or anything

potent echo
#

Yea the charge is not meant for single target damage

teal needle
#

VS is also terrible against dense hordes though

potent echo
#

It's.. decent

olive ember
#

It’s not meme tier

#

Is like the best I can say about voidstrike

spice veldt
#

as a fun question: what weapon has also 6 cleave, more damage against every armour type except carapace, and better weakspot multipliers than the vstrike?

olive ember
#

Revolver

spice veldt
#

ding ding

true lake
#

horde wise the void strike charged shot aint too bad

#

if you like spam channel it it can chew through a decent amount at ranged

olive ember
#

I mean the voidstrike has the aoe explosion to help clear out pure trash

spice veldt
#

yeah the way that the damage is distributed just makes it extremely geared towards hordeclear and nothing else

olive ember
#

But yeah otherwise revolver would just be better

potent echo
true lake
#

if you want single target though revolver would be better yeah, but at that point you might as well get a trauma staff with rending or something

olive ember
true lake
#

revolver doesnt do much good except for clear out really stubborn elites/specials

teal needle
#

Just go trauma anyway it has infinite cleave lol

potent echo
#

Yea trauma is very good

spice veldt
#

revolver hordeclear 😎

teal needle
#

I dunk on vs because i'd like to see it buffed

true lake
#

maybe i should revisit trauma, i got a trauma staff with rending on it and havent given it a proper try yet

olive ember
#

I dunk on the voidstrike because surge isn’t the worst staff

spice veldt
#

rending is whatever for pub games

true lake
#

just never got used to the secondary and how it works

#

i only went with rending because what RNG rolled for me

#

that and idk how effective the soulblaze is

teal needle
#

Blaze generally beats rending but you can run with rending

potent echo
#

Does trauma get warpnexus

olive ember
#

Yes

true lake
#

trauma got warp nexus yeah

teal needle
#

Trauma is a good staff for high level stuff, it clears dense hordes and you can keep yourself safe by just kind of blasting your own feet if you need to

true lake
#

oh damn didnt know you could blast it at your own feet

#

maybe i should use some resources and try to make that soulblaze one

olive ember
#

Just remember when you feel like you don’t know something

potent echo
#

Do people go flurry + blaze or nexus + blaze

olive ember
#

A guy on Reddit was super confidently praising how good the surge staff was

potent echo
#

I go flurry + rending KEKW_ogryn

olive ember
#

But didn’t know you could stun mutants with it

teal needle
#

The disclaimer for trauma is it knocks stuff around at the edges of the aoe without killing them, which could result in your team getting surrounded. So if you smear enemies around keep blasting them to finish them

potent echo
#

I use trauma at the edges of the horde

#

So the enemies get blasted towards the middle

spice veldt
#

if you see a psword/hsword/illisi/bullbutcher player, don't use the trauma near them and let them do their thing

teal needle
#

Also learn quell canceling so you have a mid range way of killing specials <<

potent echo
#

Yea just trauma the parts that are leaking, you don't need to pretend you are helping by blasting the horde

olive ember
#

It’s more efficient anyways

true lake
#

so use it as an area denial rather than directly punching holes in the horde

olive ember
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

potent echo
#

Yea generally I use it as an overwatch weapon

#

Any stray poxwalkers going for the side shank? Exploded

spice veldt
potent echo
#

Psword or illisi or bb users gonna butcher the horde without your help anyway

spice veldt
#

better to let enemies gather around your melee hordeclear

true lake
#

i hope they nerf psword a bit

spice veldt
#

instead of staggering them and making them stand in place

#

i hope they nerf psword a lot

#

armour mods, stagger, and damage need to be tuned down

true lake
#

its nice to have but god damn those mfers just destroy everything

potent echo
#

Swap to shovel, apparently it's decent and fun

spice veldt
#

same for the illisi

true lake
#

i didnt feel like the illisi was that overpowered imo

#

i prefer the slaughterer deimos

spice veldt
#

with minor differences in the single digits

teal needle
spice veldt
#

it's not as offensive, but it has significantly better mobility

#

not that the psword is lacking either

true lake
#

i mean mobility wise i feel deimos is still pretty good

spice veldt
#

yeah I'm not discounting the deimos

potent echo
spice veldt
#

it's better than than the illisi in that regard obviously

true lake
#

definitely better than obscurus

spice veldt
#

but it's my stance that hordeclear melee weapons should never have good mobility

true lake
#

i dont see anyone use that one anymore lol

spice veldt
#

nor should such hordeclear melee weapons have decent single-target or armour mods

#

illisi makes no tradeoffs to have the advantages that it has

true lake
#

yeah thats a fair point

teal needle
#

We're all traumatized from when it was the only force sword still

spice veldt
#

the obscurus was fine

true lake
#

its not directly OP but with no tradeoffs it does kind of just do everything

spice veldt
#

as long as you stuck to l1->h2

#

and had slaughterer

lyric burrow
#

id argue its disgustingly op

olive ember
#

I’m ngl sometimes Arcotash just seems like a masochist that just wants everything harder for himself

potent echo
#

I still see lmb macro bots here and there whatthefuck_heresy

olive ember
#

I’m having great fun with the illisi XD

spice veldt
#

i'm having fun as well

lyric burrow
#

i mean i think shovel is like a perfect example of a horde clear weapon

spice veldt
#

but I'll also have fun if the illisi gets nerfed

lyric burrow
#

and how it should be balanced

olive ember
#

I wouldn’t

true lake
#

i have the same stance as i would with other games when it comes to weapon balance, if the higher difficulties become literally impossible without having to rely on some cheese mechanic or improperly balanced weapon, then maybe its not the weapon's fault

olive ember
#

The meta would shift to the fucking deimos

#

So illisi needs to stay broken

lyric burrow
#

they can nerf both

#

both have the same issue

lunar hollow
#

what in the world are u talkin about... both ogryn and vet shovels are subpar damage wise compared to other weapons for better stagger

olive ember
#

And buff obscures?

#

Yooo?

lyric burrow
#

illisi is just more broken

olive ember
#

Obscures meta?

true lake
#

well we have to see what the update will do to enemies

teal needle
#

Yeah illisi just needs to not kill elites so fast. Then it just fills a niche wel

lunar hollow
#

they aren't horde clear at all lmao

true lake
#

i think they are changing HP values around and stuff

lunar hollow
#

like both have hard target caps

lyric burrow
#

shovel does fine horde clearing in my exp

#

i just have to use the push

#

its not horde clear like hsword or anything

lunar hollow
#

shovel is bad for that job compared to literally anything that has uncapped cleave damage

potent echo
#

Imagine Obs gets a moonlight greatsword anime energy sword wave on special pogryn

lunar hollow
#

it isn't a "horde clear" weapon

potent echo
#

Why did it tag

lunar hollow
#

no idea

potent echo
lunar hollow
#

shovel is geared around staggering stuff and has a super spammable special for that

#

to enable u to use melee

olive ember
#

except make it actually good and not a meme

#

Cuz moonlight greatsword has been a meme for two fromsoft games now smh

lunar hollow
#

and the ogryn shovel is like the same kinda thing but it knocks most enemies on their ass and has a h1 that can stagger ragers out of their attack combos

lyric burrow
#

i havent used ogryns

lunar hollow
#

but neither of them do great vs hordes

#

cuz damage caps, in some cases bad damage values, etc

true lake
#

would be funny to shoot energy waves

lyric burrow
#

i mean we can argue what shovel is i just want horde clear weapons to be balanced better

lunar hollow
#

both shovels could use a bit of tuning up to function properly but that doesnt really matter until we see whats happening on oct 4th

vocal sundial
#

i think there's a bug in the game

#

i can't make 3 orange weapons after winning 1 mission anymore

potent echo
#

Feature was removed

lyric burrow
#

when i used shovel with decimator it did fine in horde management but i might have a different definition of what does well vs a horde

vocal sundial
lunar hollow
#

it's good for stagger/cc

#

but the damage on it is kinda sadge

#

u can handle urself in a horde (which is true of most weapons)

#

but its gimped by stupid fatshark design decisions from a rushed release like target damage caps

lyric burrow
#

yeah thats all im really trying to say it does

spice veldt
#

the meta stuff clears 40 poxwalkers in 7 seconds or less (and that's when they're ramping up their stacks), so that's the baseline I'm running by

lyric burrow
#

it doesnt horde clear for me and i die for not knowing melee

#

but it is capable of handling a horde

#

even if it sucks compared to a lot of other stuff

teal needle
#

Hordes get a lot denser in damnation and a lot of melee weapons drop off there. Almost every weapon can do hordes up to heresy in my exp

lyric burrow
#

yeah malice/heresy it doesnt matter lol

lunar hollow
#

heresy is where u get to the last dif where stuff like an evis rev consistently 1 shots muties and whatnot

lyric burrow
#

you can use w/e

spice veldt
#

prob a lot easier to hit breakpoints on 250 hp poxwalkers

lunar hollow
#

but generally speaking we measure weapons by their performance in damnation/damnation+

lyric burrow
#

i was referring to damnation

#

i havent tried it in auric yet

#

not that they get more health

spice veldt
#

groaners also have 150hp on heresy which is quite a step down from 200hp

lyric burrow
#

realistically the only melee weapons that bother me is illisi/deimos/hsword/psword

#

BB is good but it is at least weak against armor and single target is more reasonable

spice veldt
#

illisi and psword especially bother me because of their decent armour mods

#

100% against everything except carapace (75%) and unyielding (175%)

lyric burrow
#

yeah they just do everything

lunar hollow
#

the stagger values on psword activations/illisi are so stupid

teal needle
#

Yeah illisi and psword shouldn't wreck elites as fast as like knives do

spice veldt
#

i don't care about melee weapons having good single-target so deimos gets a pass from me, but I do hope that it gets balanced (or that other weapons get raised to its baseline)

lunar hollow
#

if u couldnt like

#

run at a bunch of ragers

#

and spam special attacks to keep them all staggered

lyric burrow
#

like they could just bring stuff up to make it so you actually need illisi level weapons to manage but i think thats not the best way to do it

lunar hollow
#

that is a considerable change right there

lyric burrow
#

if illisi just had worst single target across the board and probably infinite dodges removed id be much more ok with it despite the insane horde clear

spice veldt
#

p much

lyric burrow
#

5 dodges is near infinite anyway

spice veldt
#

and worse flak/carapace/maniac damage

#

it having unyielding damage is fine and whatever to me

lyric burrow
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im not putting that to use often anyway lol

spice veldt
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melee weapons having >100% unyielding is one of the things that I won't say no to

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and esp with psyker having the same consecutive dodge cooldown as the zealot

lyric burrow
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ideally it would be on weapons meant for single target but if they dont wanna make things that hard stuck into roles its fine

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i actually like that t hammer doesnt do super well with hordes but destroys single target which is why it doesnt bother me

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but i know not everyone feels that way

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biggest downside for me is it puts you in a weird spot for ranged weapon

spice veldt
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balance-wise i'm fine with it, but i dislike the inherent design of being over-specialized

teal needle
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Only problem with t hammer is it shows up the eviscerator so hard 😉

lyric burrow
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i think thats just cause evis sucks

teal needle
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Yeah that's the joke

spice veldt
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and the hammer being built to take advantage of zealot's current ult

lyric burrow
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rather than hammer being op

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yeah it does work well with that

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although a lot of things do

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hsword does cause its maniac damage is crazy

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so it destroys mutants

spice veldt
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mostly all of the damage being loaded in slow hits, so the single melee attack buff that the ult gives gets a lot of value from the thammer

teal needle
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I really do hope they give the evisc an upgrade pass though

lyric burrow
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it needs a lot of help

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mainly cleave

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even with SS its like

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not great

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esp since cleave in this game on the good stuff is pretty high

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idk what was standard in VT2

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my actual biggest wish is that they make it so poxbursters dont knock other poxbursters into you on explosion

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even if you just pushed them

spice veldt
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hate it

lyric burrow
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it is extremely awkward to deal with when its the waves of poxbursters modifier

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i almost feel forced to bring trauma lol

teal needle
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Oh yeah that sucks to deal with

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I mostly use F when possible there

potent echo
teal needle
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But doesn't always line up just right

lyric burrow
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yeah push into F works well

potent echo
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If one explodes while the other is midleap, the midleap one becomes stagger resistant udder

lyric burrow
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yeah ideally they just become immune to stagger once they fall over from a push or something

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might make weird situations

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but the current situation is also weird

spice veldt
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i always bring trauma 😎

harsh urchin
lunar hollow
harsh urchin
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Since if you only push the first one second will hit

teal needle
lyric burrow
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i usually bring trauma but i also like void (sorry josho)

lunar hollow
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perish

languid tusk
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i just played trauma + deimos not a bad combo

harsh urchin
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I don't bring staves so i had to git gud at melee

languid tusk
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trauma for clear and high peril, deimos for melee

teal needle
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Deimos trauma is indeed a good combo

spice veldt
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i'm trauma + illisi

lunar hollow
lyric burrow
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ive been using trauma illisi recently too

spice veldt
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trauma's stagger is a blessing and a curse, so I prefer to avoid using if I can

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and diving ranged patrols with the illisi is very nice

lyric burrow
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once i figured out it hits the same breakpoints as deimos anyway i was like oh

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ill just bring illisi

languid tusk
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usually I play illisi to keep my peril high by spamming special, but with trauma my peril is always high anyways so I tried deimos. I like how deimos does so much damage you dont even need the special to kill mutants lol

digital narwhal
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I like Trauma + Illisi personally.
I'm hopeing that Smite's single target version will be fairly high damage.
I know it probably won't be near Brain Rupture levels of damage, but... I don't wanna sacrifice my consistent ranged single target "fuck you" when using Smite.

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Ya know?

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I want it to be usable, at least.

teal needle
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Im hoping psychic shards are good, getting one back every 15 kills is super doable w gun or trauma lol

lyric burrow
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🙂

vast hare
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I am curious about the homing projectile ability

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it sounds like a buffed version of the current staff primaries

spice veldt
vast hare
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which do kinda suck unless you hit theh ead

lyric burrow
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😳

languid tusk
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brain rupture 2250 damage here we go

vast hare
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so making them homing seems kind of cracked

lyric burrow