psyker-class

[bold patrol]

I'm just saying it's pretty baller to play upfront

[spice veldt]

and I don't think it's baller to play upfront

[bold patrol]

cool

[indigo portal]

Not particularly. Same as if you said it was baller to walk around. It's pretty normal to play aggressive.

[bold patrol]

I'm not being serous incase ya'll coundn't tell

[spice veldt]

i take things at face values if I don't know you

[bold patrol]

fair enough

[spice veldt]

and if you're coming from vet, it should be noted that the illisi has a slightly faster activation and attack speed

so it's not as unsafe as the psword despite the similarity of the two weapons

[bold patrol]

my vet is level 5

[whole hawk]

illini has infinitely more mobility than psword it's kinda insane

[cyan notch]

u should get that killstreak mod

[spice veldt]

the kill tracker one?

it's at the bottom right

[cyan notch]

o wtf why is it there

[spice veldt]

cuz i only care about it after the game is done and I'm looking through the footage

otherwise it's just a distraction mid-game

[potent echo]

Wait hold up I just read that voidstrike has a 50m suppressiom radius?

Maybe I should use it more

[bold patrol]

Join the voidstrike side of the force

Become based and voidpilled

[potent echo]

Perhaps

[lyric burrow]

Mk3 and illisi feel similar in timing to me

Although you did say slight

I prefer mk6 but it does take an eternity

[spice veldt]

yeah just slightly, since you can't repeatedly stagger ragers with psword special-lights before they get off their 1-hits off sometimes

whereas you can do that consistently with illisi special lights

[bold patrol]

thoughts?

[potent echo]

If you already have a slaughterer stick, maybe you can go full blazing spirit

[olive ember]

Swap superiority for slaughterer perks are both mid imo

[bold patrol]

Yeah I'm not happy with the rolls

[spice veldt]

i may or may not leave it for the oct 4 patch so see if shred/superiority become any good

if that's not your only high stat illisi

[bold patrol]

Its my best Illisi so I think I’ll wait for the patch to do anything with it

[olive ember]

https://reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/XbtCq0s2Yf

@spice veldt @cyan notch it’s 1 AM

My brain can’t no process wtf it’s saying

I’ve been staring at it for like 5 min

[spice veldt]

no i'm not getting baited

[cyan notch]

2500

but actually only 78 purg vs 58 surge

[olive ember]

[olive ember]

Also I genuinely didn’t get wtf the guy was trying to analyze

[cyan notch]

2500 games
(but only 2439 psykers)
(but only 478 purg/291 surge)
(but only 78 unique purg/58 unique surge)
and then u still use that data to concluse that "The Surge staff has a significantly higher win rate (+2% vs -9%) win rate over the Purge staff."

hello???

u good bro???

[olive ember]

🤔 lmao

[cyan notch]

also no raw data immediately worthless

[olive ember]

Was this what the guy was arguing about last time?

Cuz I thought it was something else

The one with like the tier list n all that

[cyan notch]

yea its the guys previous post linked in this one too

[olive ember]

Ah lmao

Well it gives the Reddit users validation I suppose

Top comment

[cyan notch]

too bad i dont care what reddit opinons have to say

[hollow current]

But I thought the surge was great at killing hordes 🤔

[olive ember]

what happens when the redditors end up in your game

[serene mirage]

How even psyker should be used? I have a lvl30 vet and ogryn, decided to try "the freak" (quoting aforementioned vet and zealot) - but how should he be played? Vet and ogryn are intuitive in that matter (and I got used to something nice happening when F is pressed).

[cyan notch]

its fine they dont affect me in games

[olive ember]

inb4 3 surge staff users surging the pox walker horde

"When you spec for peril resistance you can basically keep casting forever. It isn't uncommon for me to chain 15 heavy attacks from my lighting staff without needing to quell, and I'm yet to meet a horde that can take that, even on Damnation."

[olive ember]

ehhh hard to explain

[dawn wolf]

Shop around some youtube vids to get an idea of the different play styles.

[olive ember]

conceptually a backline support class but most people here have turned it into a glass cannon zerker so

yeah

[spice veldt]

hard to remark on any specific playstyles, but you could just be a hordeclear stick, melee gremlin, or whatever

[cyan notch]

stun stick

[plucky flax]

Never had problem winning with wildfire ab.

[olive ember]

Mf takes KB

and then takes fucking wrack and ruin to supplement his ranged damage

instead of idk... just using AB

and then you got the 1 stack wonder over here

tickling the damnation hordes with his AB surge build kekw

God I love reddit takes

wait no

hes saying he doesn't use extra soulblaze talents

don't tell me he's a quicken user

[manic halo]

is ilissi not poggers op?

[static mango]

No it's regarded as bottom tier

😏

[plucky flax]

Pls no illisi nerf

[near wyvern]

You can molest Illisi all you want as long as you leave my boi Deimos alone

A heretic complaining about how AB is not good and Kinetic Flayer is the only good pick from the 5th column and then saying they want a bit more ranged pressure... I guess they haven't heard of the CTRL+A DEL combo (full battery AB).

[olive ember]

btw @near wyvern before I go to bed

how do you feel about AB surge

because according to this post top 4/5 psykers use it

lmao

[echo sigil]

I doubt they will leave illis/deimos alone in the balance changes tuesday. But we'll see.

[spice veldt]

i'm semi-expecting the enemy hp buff to be a way to nerf weapons without pissing people off

[olive ember]

Also you fucking abandoners

Just you wait when obscures becomes meta again

You’ll come crawling back

Yay arcotash is still on

How do you feel about em reddit takes

[spice veldt]

i didn't read them and it's whatever

i don't play any builds similar to that to care about it

[whole oxide]

i mean, if you're taking Wildfire and not Battery, then AB isn't necessarily the right pick. difference between 4 and 6 stack AB is real

and if you're taking Purg, stacking lots of burning feats isn't necessary, everything within purg range will quickly reach lethal stacks anyway

[olive ember]

Within purge range is the key word

That’s 16m

Anyways I’m going to sleep for real

[whole oxide]

exactly, purg or not-purg is irrelevant to whether or not to take AB

if gun-psyker takes AB, no reason surge shouldn't

[still hearth]

What does that even mean

[whole oxide]

Player Skill: Defined as the overall success of an individual player across multiple games. Measured the success of the best and worst unique users of a particular weapon, and across both weapons if data was available. Expressed as the delta between the average win rate of all games, and the win rate of the selected players.

[viral solstice]

ur gonna get nerfed

[spice veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/drink-tears-crabby-crab-pikaole-mmm-tasty-gif-21974378

[still hearth]

I meant how the fuck do that have that data

[whole oxide]

it obviously isn't top-5 across the entire playerbase, just of those within the results collected

[still hearth]

Ah yes its another one of those

[whole oxide]

it just seems weak to say "how can he possibly know X" when what he actually claimed was Y, not X

[still hearth]

I have no idea what you're trying to say

[whole oxide]

you asked here how he has that data, but he never claimed to have that data, so your argument makes no sense

[still hearth]

Well that's because Derpy tricked me.

And I hadn't read the reddit post yet

At least this time they show some more info even if they're still not showing everything they found for some reason

[copper charm]

||Just tried trauma staff. Same as Sienna's flame pillar staff, not my thing. Better off with void, surge or a gun.||

[still hearth]

Skill has strong correlation to mission success

This is some crazy talk

[whole oxide]

out of interest, at what level are you playing and with what rating of staff?

[whole oxide]

well, it's on reddit, it has to be wrong, clearly skill has no correlation with success

[copper charm]

30th.
412.

[whole oxide]

i mean, what level of mission

[still hearth]

That's true. I do win a lot despite being shit at the game tbh

[copper charm]

Oh. Malice.

[spice veldt]

unsurprising if your trauma isn't statted out

[still hearth]

Ah, right.

[spice veldt]

it's probably the weapon with the largest stat scaling in the game, though I don't know anything about ogryn weapons

[still hearth]

In Malice even Surge can horde clear

[whole oxide]

okay, makes sense, in general trauma is bad at lower tier missions, while void is great at lower tier, but it changes at higher tier

[spice veldt]

e.g., charge rate scales from 2.5 seconds to 1 second on the trauma

compared to the 1.9-1.6 seconds on vstrike

[still hearth]

Ogryn knife

[golden frigate]

it changes into void becoming amazing because of blue fire

[still hearth]

Goin from like -0.3 speed to +0.97 or something

[spice veldt]

wtf

[whole oxide]

it really isn't

[golden frigate]

best weapon fight me

[still hearth]

The sprint speed of the Ogryn Knives are hilarious

[copper charm]

That's less of a "how this weapn good at stats and utility" and more of "me don't like circle blast".

In my case.

[whole oxide]

don't need to fight, have recorded myself clearing 100 poxwalkers in psykanium, invisibility off, void only beats surge at this

[whole oxide]

that's fair enough, void is alot of fun

[golden frigate]

r canceling?

[whole oxide]

yes, tried both QC and full-charge

[still hearth]

R cancelling is bad

Unless you're doing soulblaze spam

[golden frigate]

r canceling is high apm so fun for monke brain

[still hearth]

That's true

[golden frigate]

and yeah we're talking about blaze spam

[still hearth]

Heehoo peanut

Blaze spam is kinda bad too imo but yeah

[golden frigate]

best weapon

[bold estuary]

which dualing sword is the best?

[golden frigate]

mk5

[still hearth]

Probably based on preference

Not that you should bring any based on performance

You bring them to run fast

[bold estuary]

ah

[golden frigate]

and to look cool

mainly for looking cool tbh

[still hearth]

If you want the best dueling sword

Its the Knife

[whole oxide]

Mk4 is slightly better for horde-clear, but its still shit at it

[bold estuary]

dis my duel sword

[still hearth]

Hopefully the next week update helps with weak spot damage

[whole oxide]

i'd swap unarmoured to maniac, as the only thing DS is good for is popping mutants

[golden frigate]

man I wish

[still hearth]

It's been the most fucked thing since release

[bold estuary]

really ? i see the damage is the same between unarm vs maniac

is something i missed here ?

[whole oxide]

what you're missing is the volume of enemies and the cleave limit

[golden frigate]

eh I'd say servers are more fucked up than weak spot damage calc

[whole oxide]

DS does high single-target damage, which is useful against mutants, but low-value against horde

[still hearth]

I mean at least the servers work occasionally

[golden frigate]

do they?

[still hearth]

I've played several games, even

[golden frigate]

cause I get at least a couple ghost hits per game, missed shoves and dropped inputs

[still hearth]

That's just the warp

[golden frigate]

ooh

I see

[still hearth]

You've been playing too much

[golden frigate]

[still hearth]

I'm so used to playing on decent ping servers that when I play on the US servers the ghost hits don't even register in my mind and I'm constantly confused that enemies just don't get hurt

[golden frigate]

lmao I wish they wouldn't register in mine as well

[fluid knot]

The standard Darktide experience tbh

I would love to use Revolver more, but the damn hitreg is a royal pain in the arse some days

[mossy canopy]

What's best is when your staff won't let you unleash the charge you got going or you cant use your F

[fluid knot]

furiously mashes F key

[mossy canopy]

Blows up because the wrath you thought you let off to reduce peril lagged back

[whole oxide]

worst thing is when you hear an incoming attack, swap to melee and hold block, and then you're magically charging BB and get hit

[golden frigate]

agripinaa shotty and th build feels unrunnable so often it makes me wonder why those weapons are in the game even

[fluid knot]

Oh yeah nah i concurr with Ragnar actually, that is fucking aids when it occurs. I pressed Q, give me my goddamn sword >:C

[mossy canopy]

It's even better when you're trying to parry a burster

[golden frigate]

I developed the habit of spamming either 1 or 2 before trying to use any mouse button and still blow up to dropped swaps

[golden frigate]

or a dog

[fluid knot]

Just dropped inputs/hitreg as a whole due to low tick rate servers is awful

[mossy canopy]

Dogs are whatever but maybe that's just because I play purg so the fire knocks them away usually

My favorite is when the ping causes me to knock the dog off of myself because it didn't register the stagger in time

[fluid knot]

Dont get that one much, usually, get the sound cue telling me ive pushed the dog an get pounced anyway, but yeah, even that one is super common thankfully

[mossy canopy]

Probably would happen less if I played on APAC more tbh but I want to be on with the boys back home in the US

[dull osprey]

surge/purgatus staff blessings/perks?

[whole oxide]

nexus/flurry, +flak

[thorn tapir]

this is actually the single worst thing in the game

[digital narwhal]

The game not letting me switch weapons when I want is horrid

I switch weapons

and for a split second the weapon comes out

and then out comes the weapon I had before

[cinder moon]

try to push poxwalker
game doubleswitches you back to staff/gun
m1 instead of push
backdodge into 1 pixel of staircase
c o r r u p t i o n

[olive ember]

gun psyker takes AB specifically because of pinning fire interaction

[whole oxide]

not really, it helps, but isn't the only reason to take it

[potent echo]

Pinning fire without warp battery is enough to kill shooters

So if you want to kill shooters with surge you need warp battery

For AB that is

[olive ember]

That’s literally why

They also take double warp generation perks

Communion and kinetic flayer

[still hearth]

I'd take AB on guns without pinning fire

Clearing a horde with one angry shout is still good.

And I see no reason not to run Warp Battery on guns. Flayer is just not a lot of damage and mostly just saves you a 2s of BBing sometimes

[lucid terrace]

Force greatsword… I’m so hungry for it…

[gusty dock]

where comm link

[cyan notch]

is there supposed to be one

[olive ember]

Apparently?

[echo sigil]

The 'something' turned out to be the vox.

[boreal wave]

Lol, reddit. Lmao.

[fresh panther]

"less than 2 working days before launch of said update" redditors are not well known for their scheduling skills

[olive ember]

Look maybe the update is 9/31 now okay?

[still hearth]

They don't know how to count or don't consider Fridays and Mondays work days

[mental rock]

Monday is a holiday in some countries

Namely, Canada

[olive ember]

Oh wait today is a Friday right right

10/2

[fossil tinsel]

I lose brain cells whenever I visit that subreddit

[ivory heath]

yo am i stupid or did illisi just get stealth nerfed? i was just warming up in the psychanium and i couldnt get it to one shot ragers

[echo sigil]

Warp charges?

[ivory heath]

had 6

[echo sigil]

Wel no stealth nerf or any of that though.

[bold estuary]

hey they fixed the goddamn refund chesse 😦

damnnn

[thorn kestrel]

Now I have to decide between brain burst or a long range homing projectile?
The humanity!

[faint mauve]

ok

[cyan notch]

i mean it sounds like bb is getting buffed lol

[faint mauve]

assuming there is a skill in the talent tree that allows you to expunge peril in some way

melee psyker is very real

[queen fog]

always has been considering one of the passive gives u quelled peril chance on kill

[digital narwhal]

This with Battle Meditation (if it survives) will be nice.

[orchid nest]

I think the bb damage increase is counteracted by these warp charges not giving damage% anymore if I understand this right. and not sure if warp unleashed will be there or not still

[cyan notch]

well 6 charges + warp unleashed was +49% damage on bb

but now u get +50% for free

[orchid nest]

yeah and you can empower it, those ones will be really strong

[cyan notch]

yea thats +100% damage out the box

LOL

then again it might not kill stuff easier than now with hp changes

[orchid nest]

hmmm yeah. I'm kind of curious how much dmg smite will do too because they describe it as cc but then it has an alternate single target function

[wild inlet]

we gotta re-evaluate everything on its own basis now, since it's replacing the existing mechanics entirely

[broken quail]

Disrupt destiny + scrier gaze looking like good for gunpsyker

[cyan notch]

yea

now give us more guns

[burnt fjord]

i am very excited about the combinations of abilities we can use to match any playstyle. no longer stuck with a surge staff for CC. flame staff won't mean you're screwed on mid/long range non-specialists. as to the efficacy of any particular skill, will have to wait for the numbers and testing

[cyan notch]

where are the brautos and shotguns and bolters

[broken quail]

Except unlike vet psykers goals will be beyond our understanding shooting at a random poxwalker with +40% damage buff

[digital narwhal]

We'll probably get +damage on Warp Charges as a Keystone node.
We see nodes near the bottom, one of which looks like Warp Charges, with nodes attached to them.

[orchid nest]

Yeah true

[digital narwhal]

So we'll probably get ways to augment Keystones.

Like with Class Abilities, which also have nodes attached to them.

The hand outstretched, which is selected in the tree in the Dev Blog, looks just like Psykinetic's wrath

renamed to Venting Shriek

Safe to assume we'll be able to almost 1:1 copy existing builds from the looks of things

but better

[wild inlet]

I do like how they've replaced existing abilities but just removed limits on them

[cyan notch]

on paper yea

[orchid nest]

the change to stacking them is interesting. only elite and specials but with anything. hopefully with however it shakes up with the full tree it feels less like babysitting them

[cyan notch]

i wonder if theres some fatshark hidden caveats

[digital narwhal]

Maybe we'll get the "4% chance to build a Warp Charge on any kill by you or allies in coherency" as a node

[burnt fjord]

the caveat is that respeccing will cost premium currency

[cyan notch]

[burnt fjord]

the sudden panic of "wait, fatshark wouldnt do that.... would they?" nah they wouldnt. they already said it's tinker friendly so im assuming it stays free like it is now

[digital narwhal]

[cyan notch]

@olive ember wake up babe now theres a surge blitz

[digital narwhal]

Smite is versatile?

LETS GOOO-

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

[echo sigil]

hah... gunpsykers going to like scrier's gaze.

[spice oar]

Combined with disrupt destiny it looks incredibly fun

Also the idea of marking a heretic and then changing his fate sounds badass flavour wise

[echo sigil]

oh yea. just i got no idea what their ideal blitz is going to be though. brain burst comes to mind but that seem to be on the other side of the tree.

[undone fossil]

Smite will give cc + burst damage potential which can make up for the weaknesses of whatever gun you choose

[wild inlet]

i'm confused a little at Assail, and how it works as a blitz. Is there a cooldown?

cause with the empowered reducing peril by 100%, what are we spending to cast it?

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, nothing?

[bold patrol]

figured I’d get some second opinions on this sword

[vestal fulcrum]

Either nothing, or half of what the base value is

[cyan notch]

it has its own ammo

[wild inlet]

ah, that's cool

[cyan notch]

like moonbow or something

[wild inlet]

oh I see, that Keystone is only a chance to empower the next blitz

[cyan notch]

yea like psychic communion

rng to get stronger blitz

[viscid matrix]

Disrupt Destiny seems to be the best, maybe Warp Siphon and Empowered Psionics might still be good

im thinking a Scriers, Smite, Disrupt Destiny build for my surge staff

[undone fossil]

Disrupt destiny def best for gun psykers

Empowered psionics for smite maxxers, warp siphon for shield and psychic wrath spam

[viscid matrix]

maybe surge will be good for it too, boosts damage 15% and crit damage 30% plus add Scriers for that 40% damage and 20% crit chance

[echo sigil]

i dont think you want to use a staff at all with scrier's gaze.... scrier's gaze builds up peril. staffs also... bit counterproductive and you wont get as much value out of it.

[viscid matrix]

true

didnt think about that

[wild inlet]

can we quell on non-force weapons?

I'm such a terrible gunpsyker

[undone fossil]

Could use scriers with staves but just go melee mode when you activate it

[cyan notch]

no

[analog agate]

Atm no

[burnt fjord]

scrier with staff should let you quell and prolong the buff though, right?

[cyan notch]

u can quell with force sword

[viscid matrix]

you still have 10% chance to quell on kill if Battle Meditation is still around

at this point, Scrier's or shield are my goto ability, alas only venting will give 50% quell

[echo sigil]

i'm pretty sure the passives we have now are going to be talent choices.... but where they'll be we'll wait and see.

[burnt fjord]

so many telekine/scrier psykers are going to explode until we get it figured out 🥲

[viscid matrix]

Scriers seems the best, it lasts 10 seconds after it ends

[burnt fjord]

time to polish up a +wound curio lol

[viscid matrix]

getting up to 100% with scriers, then quelling for a second between staff secondaries, still seems the best

10second after 100% still works

just gotta keep it below 100% until it caps out

Smite seems to take the surge staff role, hmm, maybe dont have to take surge anymore because Smite

[cyan notch]

mf says "augmented" when they mean "nerfed"

[burnt fjord]

the new blitzes definitely fill in gaps left by your choice of staff

the class will be way more versatile than it already was

[cyan notch]

what about single target staff

i hope we get some new actual game content

probably not tho

[viscid matrix]

Void Staff might be the best now

Purge got nerfed, cant generate warp charges with fire anymore

Smite does Surge job

[olive ember]

Holy wat where?

[viscid matrix]

Smite

[cyan notch]

dev blog

[burnt fjord]

well, we havent seen the whole tree yet. it's possible there is a keystone subnode that gives warp charges on coherency kill / fire kill etc

[viscid matrix]

just look above

[olive ember]

Reading it now

Was in class

[viscid matrix]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/talent-trees-deep-dive/83096#psyker-9

hmm, Void staff might be my new main weapon

[bold patrol]

Yessss

[viscid matrix]

Purge might still be fun, but people complain about it blocking view

[bold patrol]

Based and void pilled

[wild inlet]

I 100% recommend the mod that reduces fire effects in game

makes purge so much more acceptable

[viscid matrix]

yeh but cant force others to get those mods, and they do the complaining

[wild inlet]

true, but save your own eyes

I'm hoping that Kinetic Barrage is still in the tree somewhere

cause the empowered BR is very RNG

[viscid matrix]

hmm, reckon thats warp siphon keystone?

[cyan notch]

yea the bottom stuff is keystone

[viscid matrix]

yeh but warpsiphon, empowered psionics or Disrupt destiny 😄

[burnt fjord]

it is the same as existing iconic icon, I cant boot the game up to check rn but I'm guessing that's the warp siphon

[viscid matrix]

warp siphon might be the one on the right

[burnt fjord]

it also seems to have one that is like the current 6 warp charge icon but with a hand

[burnt fjord]

that one gives me "empowered blitz" vibes with magic coming outta the hands

[viscid matrix]

middle looks to possibly be empowerd, if the left is destiny

[burnt fjord]

ohh or maybe its the mark, a mark on the hand

[whole oxide]

not gonna lie, the shield sounds like it'll be insanely OP, although zealot's new group-invuln sounds even more OP

[viscid matrix]

shield is good, if Zealot isnt using support 😄
but surge blitz Smite seems best choice for cc

[viscid matrix]

possibly, right could be destiny, with the bonuses that improve killing marked

[burnt fjord]

I think the keystones are in the same order in tree as listed in the post. siphon, psionics, destiny. I checked the other classes and it seems to line up like that

[viscid matrix]

at least we know left is brain burst but better(or worse), middle is Smite, and right is the projectiles

[burnt fjord]

so warp siphon has 6 different subnodes, presumably relating to generating charges / higher cap / more bonuses

[bold patrol]

any thoughts on what blessings I should take?

I’m probably getting rid of warp nexus

[viscid matrix]

swap nexus for the stagger on close range kill maybe?

[fallow falcon]

Check out my new revolver

[whole oxide]

??? nexus is, like, THE blessing for Purg

[bold patrol]

I heard that crit chance wasn’t that useful on purg

[viscid matrix]

by the time you reach 15 stacks with crit or not, everything except monstrocities should be dead
or the damage isnt good anyway and should be brain bursting like Crushers

[burnt fjord]

id be more concerned about that 59% burn 😦

[mental rock]

Yeah def swap flurry not nexus. Also I probably wouldn't even use that staff because of the low burn stat. With purge damage is actually the dump stat

[whole oxide]

it applies double stacks

[viscid matrix]

double stacks doesnt matter if they die before you reach cap anyway

[bold patrol]

yeah its bad

[burnt fjord]

flurry is great to spend less time charging and more time burning

[viscid matrix]

i would prefer stagger everything around you on close kill over nexus

[mental rock]

Fire already staggers/suppresses so it's a redundant blessing

[viscid matrix]

it does that to things you are hitting and the cone around the fire, not everything around you in like 10 meters

[mental rock]

Yeah, and purge is literally the easiest staff to simply hit everything

[whole oxide]

you're basically saying that extra damage is redundant

[olive ember]

Flurry nexus is meta on purge

Well nexus flurry

Stagger is a redundant feat that was only taken back when flurry didn’t work properly

[lofty temple]

Who was that guy saying he doesn't like BB being OP?

@spice veldt

[bold patrol]

So I shouldn’t change any of the blessings?

maybe the perks?

[whole oxide]

perks aren't bad either, maybe elites to flak

[analog agate]

Wouldn’t be surprised if that +50%dmg brings it to its current spot with the enemy health buffs

[whole oxide]

also if warp-charge doesn't give +damage anymore, then thats just compensating

[viscid matrix]

new icon looks like Inner Tranquility except its going down instead of up

[cyan notch]

outer tranquility

[viscid matrix]

Psykinetic's Aura and Mind in Motion seem to still be there, but MiM looks like its running opposite way

guns and swords?

[dawn wolf]

Did they release something new that shows the psyker trees?

[analog agate]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/talent-trees-deep-dive/83096

[dawn wolf]

Thank you, siblings.

[viscid matrix]

Kintetic Shield is still there, just only blue

[olive ember]

Swap infested imo

[burnt fjord]

there are 6 subnodes to warp siphon, im willing to bet one of them gives bonus dmg on charges

[olive ember]

Tho update in 6 days so who knows how meta changes

[near wyvern]

Can work with battery but I prefer Quicken if I am gonna surge.

[viscid matrix]

ooo that is the same icon as Battle Meditation

[spice oar]

So what I'm getting at with smite is that we can either charge a high damage lighting bolt or channel a low dmg but heavy stagger chain lightning

[spice oar]

That's kinda badass

[viscid matrix]

what do yall reckon the shield icons mean? peril resistance?

[cyan notch]

toughness

idk

[viscid matrix]

wait o shite, we dont have warp siphon by default anymore, how do we get warp charges if we dont get warp siphon keystone?

[spice oar]

Uhhh

[orchid nest]

killing elites and specials it said

[viscid matrix]

must be other ways to get warp charges then

[crude cape]

Yooo what you guys think of the blog detailing some of the skills

Skriers gaze kinda sounds wild for maybe a shooter or melee psyker?

[orchid nest]

oh I see what you mean. yeah I don't think you have them at all if you don't have the keystone

[crude cape]

@spice veldt what you think about Skriers gaze? I know you focus on a melee style seems like it could be good

[gilded viper]

The wall can be shot through, FUCK YAH

The ability to just deny ranged fire, sounds so beautiful

[cyan notch]

probably blitz or talent stuff like psychic communion/flayer idk

[viscid matrix]

wall has some interesting boosts

[crude cape]

Wait…why are they buffing brain burst by 50%?! That seems way OP

[gilded viper]

Would it 1 shot a mutie now?

[cyan notch]

no

[gilded viper]

not that bad then

[orchid nest]

we don't really know how it will shake out yet because of unknown stuff with warp charges, warp unleashed, and whatever other damage bonuses there might be

[viscid matrix]

Psychic Communion is down after Warp Siphon, its locked on the right side

[cyan notch]

mutie has 3k hp rn so idk how ur gonna get a 3k damage bb

thats not confirmed

[gilded viper]

any familiar symbols on the tree? Warp Battery confirmed?

[cyan notch]

they can reuse pics

[viscid matrix]

last icon

[whole oxide]

while it sounds the most mechanically interesting, it also sounds extremely underwhelming power-wise

[viscid matrix]

lasts 10 seconds after 100% peril, could be active for 15-20 seconds or more out of 30

[whole oxide]

yeah, and all it does is grant +30% damage, which is, ehhhh, not bad, but not huge given all the requirements / opportunity cost to get it

[gilded viper]

skrier's is funny arrow right? If it basically keeps attacking the same enemy over and over it may have some decent use for boss killing

[teal needle]

Hmmm gonna have a hard time picking between warp charges and warp ability enhancement

[viscid matrix]

40% damage and 20% crit chance

[gilded viper]

consistency vs burst efficientcy is certainly a difficulty choice

[undone fossil]

Skriers is the damage buff for passive peril increase combat ability

[viscid matrix]

if keep scriers up for 30 seconds, get 40% damage, guess best for gun build

will probably have buffs to increase speed of generating buff

[teal needle]

Thinking warp charges will still have it for gunker, but will have to see how the new abilities are

[viscid matrix]

Warp Charges might only be behind Warp Siphon keystone

every warp charge generating icon, seem to be behind warp siphon down the bottom

[teal needle]

Honestly even as a gunker i'm still bringing drop shield. Can't pass up saving my team from snips

[indigo portal]

Remember, HP values are going up for enemies. Without a damage buff BB wouldn't kill shit.

[gilded viper]

I cannot deny the power of the wall of go fuck yourself. ESPECIALLY if it can physically block chaff from entering via a node

[viscid matrix]

better bring smite too, for that extra cc

[teal needle]

Whatever build has warp charges and kinetic flayer will be the gunker build regardless of what fatshark says lol

Yeah probably will

[cyan notch]

i dont think its gonna physically block anything

that seems kinda op

[gilded viper]

Also what happens to the smite staff now with smite blitz?

[viscid matrix]

maybe they are also balancing the weapons? and surge staff gets more damage and less stagger?

[indigo portal]

Psykinetic is the only one with Warp Charges iirc. The non-shield branch seems to be suited for Gunker.

[viscid matrix]

Double Wall on far left, stagger might be left too, Dome is right, and then (maybe) Toughness generation on far right

[gilded viper]

What if we get a node that boosts the power of shots that go through the wall, but it's considerably smaller or shorter lasting as a result? That'd be cool

[spice oar]

Looks like you can spec into dome or wall

[cyan notch]

that doesnt say anything about physically blocking things tho

[gilded viper]

Gunker wall

[spice oar]

Multiple walls? Good heavens

[cyan notch]

its probably just a double charge thing

[viscid matrix]

Double charge, to put up 2 walls

[viscid matrix]

probably wont, but it will be usefull against those stupid sniper squads

[undone fossil]

Idk, it would be strange if you could have the shield stagger specials as they go through but do nothing to chaff

[spice oar]

It literally says there are options to put up multiple shields

[viscid matrix]

at least it might be worth getting the Coherency Cooldown on kill now, since its only 1 point on the left side

[cyan notch]

yea double charge

[gilded viper]

Psykinetic's Aura is one of my favorite abilities, I hope it stays

good ol reliable ability recharge

[viscid matrix]

Kinetic Deflection bottom right near right keystone

[viscid matrix]

but cerebral lacerations was too good not to pass up
which i cant find the icon on new tree

[gilded viper]

Ehh, Psykinetic's let's me either spam push or a vet spam focused fire, but to each their own

[viscid matrix]

it only worked if you got the kills before the Vet did 😄

[dawn wolf]

"Is that a glowing head?"

[gilded viper]

I know how the ability works, I really just didn't care what the vet does as long as they remain in cohernecy range

I gain warp charges on fire kills

[dawn wolf]

I hope my purge can still stun/stagger lock after update

[gilded viper]

Purgutus my beloved

[teal needle]

I'd be shocked if they nerfed purg

[dawn wolf]

It would be a sad day if they did

[viscid matrix]

looks like the warp charge generation icon is down after warp siphon, may end up being subpar on non warp charge builds

[lucid terrace]

Where’s the force greatsword line?

[gilded viper]

I hope we get a 2 handed force weapon

and brass knuckles for the ogryn

[viscid matrix]

chainsword/gun icon

[lucid terrace]

That implies 1handed, which means NOT force greatsword

[viscid matrix]

could be 2h force sword 😄

look at that hilt, looks like double grip

[spice oar]

Pls god

I wonder what kind of augments the smite will have

It seems to have 2

[viscid matrix]

so it looks like 2, hmm

Soulfire?

[spice oar]

The right one

Is very interesting

[spice oar]

Don't know

Actually it looks a bit like lightning chaining to different heads?

[viscid matrix]

thats what the charged version already does tho, unless that node targets weakspots instead?

[spice oar]

Hmmm

[viscid matrix]

hmm does that look like a faster BB on the top?

[heady swan]

God roll on auto pistol?

[wild inlet]

maybe more damage?

[spice oar]

Same icon as kinetic flayer so don't know

[viscid matrix]

isnt that what the bottom one is?

[wild inlet]

that is kinetic flayer yes, but mirrored

[spice oar]

Yeah that's the thing

Same icon

[spice oar]

Bit it can't be related to it since it isn't branching off of it

[teal needle]

Mobility dump stat, pinning fire makes it a mindless challenge eraser

[heady swan]

Is the strat to do wrath for stagger then spray?

[teal needle]

Just spray, with pinning fire it's like casting wrath anyway lol

[heady swan]

And the other blessing?

Also wtf is powderburn

[viscid matrix]

https://clan.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/images//38365286/d7099043d9065f0d546b4ff46b8ef6a260143ba5.png

what do yall reckon the names would be for those images?

[cyan notch]

i dont think theres specific names for them

[spice oar]

Protectorate and idk

[viscid matrix]

there isnt

did the Veterans take our icon?

[cyan notch]

yea i dunno considering u can mix and match stuff i dont think theres gonna be an official name for the pics

[viscid matrix]

thats why i asked for ideas for names based on images

also that gun psyker on the right looks very angron with the pain spikes

[cyan notch]

john palpatine john psychic john wick

[teal needle]

John witch*

[languid nimbus]

Am I missing something? The psyker's "Assail" does only 100 damage and 150 if it's Augmented. Doesn't seem like it's worth it if the enemy HP pools are increasing

[cyan notch]

wat who says it does 100 damage

[whole oxide]

depends how many times it strikes

[wild inlet]

"Base Damage increase from 100 to 150"

[gilded viper]

They did rather casually give brain burst a 50% damage increase

[cyan notch]

i think thats just +50% damage worded in fatshark

[gilded viper]

So does it secretly mean brain burst went from 100% damage to 50% damage or something?

[wild inlet]

they say +50% damage three lines up 😄

[cyan notch]

i know but they leave out some stuff like holy relic cd missing

and stuff like +25%

[languid nimbus]

The CM clarified in that post it means 25% Damage.

[upper galleon]

Base damage isn't flat damage

It's gonna have modifiers vs certain armor types

[undone fossil]

It’s means that brain rupture increases the damage by 50% compared to basic brain burst

[languid nimbus]

But is the implication that these homing magic missiles will hit multiple times, will scale with weapons, or some other modifiers

[upper galleon]

Probably unarmored, maniac and infested it will deal more damage than just 100/150 to

[viscid matrix]

that is the new magic missile

[languid nimbus]

That's cool

[upper galleon]

Plus that is per projectile and you fire off multiple

[languid nimbus]

I'm excited to see the new Smite blitz in action.

[viscid matrix]

gonna be Surge, just strait up surge

[languid nimbus]

Hopefully it'll give us the freedom to have the utility of Surge in any build without having to use that staff.

[undone fossil]

Surge doesn’t have the single target damage capability

[cyan notch]

i dont know if that 100% is per projectile

[viscid matrix]

true, but they are doign weapon balancing too, no?

[upper galleon]

Anyways looks like assail and scryer is for gun psykers

[undone fossil]

Most likely but if anything that means surge will likely be something entirely different

[upper galleon]

Or like, transfer peril void staff

[wild inlet]

I reckon Assail is going to be so cool looking

[undone fossil]

It would be weird to have a staff that has the exact same mechanics as a blitz ability

[gilded viper]

I cast magic missile at the darkness

[gilded viper]

that's what I'm saying

[viscid matrix]

weapon and blessing change i guess

[viscid matrix]

nah smite , for that cc when you get overwhelmed

[teal needle]

Oh that block of text sounds like an implicit shredder nerf haha

[whole hawk]

gun psykers eating good

[cyan notch]

too bad no good guns tho

where shotgun where brauto where bolter

[languid nimbus]

I like that Smite will be "tap to make a guy ride the lightning, charge to make a horde give him company"

So we can still have a panic "oh shit, warp dog" button if needed.

[upper galleon]

You have illisi

And smite is single target

[gilded viper]

There was shotgun in the beta, I still find it odd they took it away

[teal needle]

Smite spreads

[languid nimbus]

Smite does indeed spread.

[cyan notch]

surge 2.0

[upper galleon]

Yes overtime

[gilded viper]

Smite is almost literally the surge staff

[viscid matrix]

what do you mean almost, it is surge staff

[upper galleon]

Initially single target happy now nerds

Spreading slowly

That's not surge staff surge spreads instantly

[gilded viper]

can't technically hit people with a stick like with surge

[cyan notch]

with charge time

[viscid matrix]

true

[teal needle]

I wish staves had a real special action

The smack is comically bad

[viscid matrix]

we may get lucky with the rework of weapons and blessings

[cyan notch]

they dont need one

[willow escarp]

Didn’t they describe smite as CC in the dev blog?

[gilded viper]

yah, I want a laspistol secondary

[whole hawk]

revolver is ebin

[cyan notch]

just make the poke faster ez

[viscid matrix]

yes

[whole oxide]

the way they described it was high single-target damage, or AoE CC

[whole oxide]

but not AoE CC +Damage

[willow escarp]

“Large populations”

but yeah stunlock

[cyan notch]

a population of 6

[upper galleon]

SLOWLY SPREADS

[willow escarp]

im still confused how/why we’re gonna have smite and surge

[upper galleon]

it's cc but for gunpsyker why would i want to charge up a fucking lightning that keeps them in place

[viscid matrix]

is slowly just bouuncing to all targets in a second?

[willow escarp]

ooo smart

using it with gunker makes sense

[upper galleon]

isntead of using illisi, or firing off assail which doesn't say it has any charge time

or hell, even our current active which knock stuff back

[viscid matrix]

assail is single target damage sure, but you have gun for that

[upper galleon]

as a way to clear

assail seems like it will interrupt your damage the least

[willow escarp]

that psyker volley fire sounds good for gunker too

[upper galleon]

BB you have to charge, smite you have to charge

[cyan notch]

who knows how it actually works in practice too early to make conclusions

[upper galleon]

assail doesn't have a charge time iirc

cause I said scrier and assail gonna be great for gun psyker

[languid nimbus]

Smite has Impact as well, so it'll stun, damage, and do knock-back/knockdown, too, according to the devblog.

[viscid matrix]

you still have to weapon swap to it

[upper galleon]

ok and that makes it worse than... stuff with a full charge time?

swap speed is quick and easy

[viscid matrix]

you can instant smite, for a slower chain, still does cc

[willow escarp]

yeah scrier is the volley fire one? sounds great for gunker

[upper galleon]

and assail doesn't say it has a charge up like BB or Smite

[upper galleon]

what?

[willow escarp]

esp if warp unleashed is on the table

[upper galleon]

in a damnation swarm

you are gonna insta cast a slow chaining cc

[viscid matrix]

instant smite

[upper galleon]

instead of just killing

no im sayinw hat to your logic

not the ability you fucking 🤓

just use your sword gunker

[viscid matrix]

what is slowly, is it mutliple seconds, or just over 1 second reaches all targets, we dont know yet

[upper galleon]

despite popular belief

i can read

it's still a waste of time for gunpsyker. Scrier stops at 100% peril and assail costs no peril while empowered

[languid nimbus]

Assail will have an ammo pool of its own, so no telling how "on demand" it will be like the other options.

[upper galleon]

and since swap firing is quick, it would be the best action economy

[upper galleon]

empowered makes it free and not cost a charge, which is what i'm figuring. Gunker is still gonna have to juggle but it's way more supported now

[languid nimbus]

Thats true.

[viscid matrix]

empower 7.5% chance tho

[languid nimbus]

7.5 per stack.

[upper galleon]

in damn+?

yea easy

[teal needle]

Hunker was already super powerful just because of iffy weapon balancing

[upper galleon]

literally drowning in free assails

[upper galleon]

7.5% of any kills

you get

with gunker?

on damn+

[viscid matrix]

hmm, i can see it

would prefer DD myself tbh

and go smite

[languid nimbus]

Ohh, I was mixing it up with Warp Siphon

[upper galleon]

DD might be good, but they haven't said if they are fixing crit damage/weak spot damage calculations

and smite, too much of a time waster, better all in on a staff

[upper galleon]

I do say tho, transfer peril void staff might work with scrier

[upper galleon]

yee i saw that

doesn't mean the change could be that impactful

there is no numbers so if you could stop being a 🤓

and screenshotting paragraphs over and over

smh witches

[teal needle]

I can't see myself running anything but dome shield on a5, unless they change balance a lot. Shutting down snipers saves runs

[upper galleon]

maybe on SG

well, way more likely on SG

but i've had A5+ games where little to no snipers spawned and all of them were handled easily

[viscid matrix]

agreed, the far right node for shield looks to be toughness regen of some kind too

[upper galleon]

I don't think this update will massively change how aggressive focus this game is compared to vt2

but I'm happy to be proven wrong

anyways, for something truly important, no mention of soulblaze

the entire article

i did spy soulblaze feats we have on the tree

[teal needle]

Probably because no interesting changes to 420soulblazeit

[upper galleon]

be kinda sad if 420psykers are forced to go ascendant blaze just like before patch

[viscid matrix]

looks like nerf to soulblaze unless, that warp siphon node is still warp charge on burn kill

[upper galleon]

not even a nerf

just overshadowed

i see all the major feats we had before

but we'd basically be going the same loadout, BB+Venting shriek (gonna have to get used to the names)

with ascendant blaze shriek

hopefully there is a little love on the other parts of the tree so soulblaze isn't forced to stay left

[teal needle]

Venting shriek is what i do in my office every time i get another unnecessary meeting added to my calendar

[upper galleon]

like, I had an idea where shield could ignite enemies that walk through it

but that doens't look like it got in

[viscid matrix]

these are new, possible warp charge generation

they arnt blitz, combat ablity or keystone

[teal needle]

Warp charge gen stuff i am very much assuming is down where the keystone stuff is

[viscid matrix]

well we see brain burst kind of icon, and icon with a gun in their hand, and they lock each other out, could be toughness generation instead

[plucky flax]

RIP the loadout checking mod with these long ass talent tree.

[digital narwhal]

Telekine Shield says it lasts for 15 seconds and has a cooldown of 40 seconds.
Reckon the cooldown starts when it ends, or when it's activated?

[viscid matrix]

could be either, but we also have the second charge node too

[vast hare]

What is going to happen to the Shocky Stick now that its entire effect is a freely usable blitz?

[plucky flax]

Surge rework it's op.

[viscid matrix]

hopefully all the staves are worked on

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sheev-palpatine-unlimited-power-power-force-gif-5073064

[teal needle]

Hoping it gets rebalanced

[digital narwhal]

Maybe a rework

[vast hare]

Also I like that the utterly garbo "primary" fire of all the staffs is also becoming a blitz except it has HOMING

[teal needle]

It needed buffed before it was made redundant lol

[vast hare]

which is an amazing QOL

[upper galleon]

why tf everyone thinking smite and surge is identical

afaik surge doesn't slowly spread

[vast hare]

Cuz smite's description is exactly what surge does

It does spread

[upper galleon]

SLOWLY

can y'all psykers stop being nerds

if you can't even read the slowly spread

[vast hare]

I guess, maybe it's just a super nerfed stick

[teal needle]

Surge only spreads to 6 others. It might do more damage than blitz but it currently doesn't do much damage to begin with

[viscid matrix]

Fatshark slowly could be 1 second, could be 3 seconds, could be 10 seconds

[cyan notch]

its closest mechanically to surge

probably not identical tho

[digital narwhal]

Tbf, sometimes FS describes things weirdly.
Can be a relatively decent pace of spreading, but described as "Slow" compared to the instant spread of Surge.

We'll have to wait and see how quickly it spreads when the time comes.

Also, here's to hopeing the single-target use of Smite has some decent breakpoints.

[viscid matrix]

i hope these are warp generators and we can base our builds entirely off these 🙂

[digital narwhal]

Those are just Auras iirc

The really build defining upgrades are the Keystones iirc

[teal needle]

A bunch of psykers aren't even gonna get access to warp charges it seems

[digital narwhal]

^

[viscid matrix]

i hope not 😄

[digital narwhal]

Warp Charges belong to a Keystone now from the looks of it

[vast hare]

They're an opt-in yeah

Which I personally like

[digital narwhal]

Look at the bottom, and you'll see the Warp Charges icon on a Keystone

[vast hare]

Didn't like leaving my buffs to basically RNG

[digital narwhal]

Yeah that

[vast hare]

and hated havin to manage it manually with BB

[viscid matrix]

def looks like opt in, with similar soulblaze generator in the middle one, and last one is 6 warp charges

[digital narwhal]

See, even got what looks like Warp Battery at the bottom.

[cyan notch]

eh nothing is confirmed ill believe it when i see

it

[teal needle]

Empowermemt sounds cooler than warp charge for ability spam psykers anyway

[viscid matrix]

looks like toughness generation on warp charge

[teal needle]

Warp charges being a keystone is super confirmed innit?

[viscid matrix]

and peril resist

[digital narwhal]

I'm probably gonna use Empowered Psionics, yeah

Telekine Shield + Empowered Psionics

[cyan notch]

no

[digital narwhal]

Not confirmed, but it very much looks like it

[viscid matrix]

the original warp charge generation is now a keystone, we might have another way, but its looking doubful

[digital narwhal]

It's got the Warp Siphon icon, and one of the upgrade nodes has the Warp Battery icon.

[viscid matrix]

if they are auras, what could they be?

[digital narwhal]

One is probably the ol' "Class Ability cooldown reduction on Elite/Specialist kill"

Couldn't say what the others are

[viscid matrix]

and toughness generation on warp charge gain, plus peril resist, and finaly the soulflame kill warp charges looks like is there too

[mellow gorge]

I hope we get some cool fashion to go with the new abilities

[digital narwhal]

I'm betting Warp Charges are a Keystone, yeah

Wait

I'm

fucking dumb

yeah

it's confirmed

[viscid matrix]

i kinda want some of these

[digital narwhal]

I entirely forgot that the Keystones were revealed, whilst talking about Empowered Psionics

I gotta get some food in me or something, man.

I'm barely keeping myself together.

Anyway, looks like Quicken is built into Warp Charges.

I bet that Kinetic Barrage might be one of the upgrades for "Venting Shriek" as it's called now; Quicken built into that seems pretty cool.

Of course that's just a guess though.

[teal needle]

What i don't see anywhere is affirmation that warp charges are still damage buffs

[digital narwhal]

Yeeaahh

Maybe it's one of the Keystone nodes?

[teal needle]

If they aren't... well, guess no reason for gunkers to go that way

[digital narwhal]

[near wyvern]

All these people crafting builds already even when 90% of the trees are not even revealed properly.

[viscid matrix]

maybe defensive and offensive buff with warp charges?

[digital narwhal]

It's fun to think about it.

[teal needle]

What else we gonna do for the next week

[digital narwhal]

I'd rather talk about this till Wednesday than keep farming Plasteel.

[viscid matrix]

the 2 with the warp charge going into shield and hand might be buffs towards having warp charges

[cyan notch]

u dont have to play the game

[gilded viper]

I’ve been playing Wrath of the Righteous, I have a cute dragon friend named Aivu who loves strawberry jam!

[near wyvern]

Sort of like if you close a box it's fun to think about if there is a cat in it or not. In the end, how can you ever be sure that there wasn't a cat when you open it?

[near wyvern]

Farm mats

[cyan notch]

so like the same thing for thr last 4 months

[near wyvern]

And upgrade all 370+ you find to orange due to the resource bug

[teal needle]

Bug is fixed

[mental rock]

Resource bug was fixed

[near wyvern]

Well then, farm mats and don't upgrade yet, wait for patch with the mats.

[near wyvern]

I knew you were a good Varlet

[digital narwhal]

Patched

[plucky flax]

Pick all soulblaze node. Patch will give blazing spirit 4 for trauma. Profit.

[viscid matrix]

what soulblaze nodes? doesnt look there is any, except maybe the one in warp siphon

[plucky flax]

Rip me burn

Trash game uninstall

[viscid matrix]

the possible aura icon might be a soulblaze

[plucky flax]

Pls don't remove wildfire.

[cyan notch]

i wouldnt conclude anything based on icons

[viscid matrix]

that icon doesnt exist on the new tree

[cyan notch]

thry dont have to match or look like the thing u think they should look like

[plucky flax]

[still hearth]

Not much to remove tbh

[plucky flax]

Haters will hate.

[near wyvern]

By an icon not existing tells nothing about if the functionality has:

• been argumented
• changed their name
• changed their icon

[viscid matrix]

pretty much all the warp charge icons from current feats, are in the warp siphon section now

[cyan notch]

doesnt really say much imo

[still hearth]

Damn that Taunt tho

[near wyvern]

I believe what we have and what we have not when I get access to the whole tree. And still when I do, I will take nothing for granted but instead test each talent out.

[viscid matrix]

would expect any soulfire icons to have fire tho

[spark fractal]

i'm much more excited about the support abilities than yet another 5% damage buff or whatever from warp charges

[teal needle]

There will be a great deal of training room time after patch yeah

[spark fractal]

the wall / dome could be a real game changer, especailly if it stuns / debuffs guys who are already inside when you pop it

[viscid matrix]

fairly sure they mentioned enemies moving thru the shield

[still hearth]

Zealot peak class again lets go

[spark fractal]

swarmed by a gauntlet of specials? give the team a few seconds of breathing room

[spark fractal]

yeah but also there's something to debuff enemies moving through

[viscid matrix]

this looks like the Dome node, and a toughness node

[spark fractal]

if that applies at the moment of casting, you're instantly debuffing a huge aoe, a couple of seconds of stagger might be all you need, could get mutants to drop people, for example

[viscid matrix]

at this point, i think every shield icon = toughness

[spark fractal]

is that in the reddish, "gunpsyker" tree?

[viscid matrix]

nah middle, its the shield

it has the double charges that they mentioned shield gets

[gilded viper]

I hope ascendant blaze affects all ultys in some way and not just force push. Assuming it survived

[viscid matrix]

possibbly found soulfire nodes

[plucky flax]

[gilded viper]

Like enemies that walk through the walk get a few stacks of soulflame

[plucky flax]

I'm op again.

[vast hare]

I for one am excited to take Smite and then use literally nothing but for an entire mission

[cyan notch]

found the surge player

[still hearth]

I mean

Smite sounds like it could be superior Surge

[viscid matrix]

surge is great, when there is already a purga psyker on the team

[still hearth]

Who can blame them

[still hearth]

No bring a gun

[spark fractal]

take surge staff so you can have some lightning with your lightning

be sure to scream unlimited powaaaah! every time

[still hearth]

Don't perpetuate this lie that Surge is useful.

[viscid matrix]

dont have a good gun yet

[vast hare]

Surge is useful at high difficulties because there's just so many specials

[still hearth]

No

Get out

OUtttt

[vast hare]

and permastunning a clump of specials is extremely good

[still hearth]

Kill the specials

[gilded viper]

I want to know if surge got a rework or not darnit!

[vast hare]

with WHAT? BB? ONE EVERY 4-5 SECONDS?

It's soooo fucking slow

[viscid matrix]

perma stun a pack of muties or boosted dogs is great

[still hearth]

Autopistol, XII, Revolver

Another Purgatus

[vast hare]

imagine using a gun as a psyker

[spark fractal]

surge is actually very good and reliable damage (with no aim required) vs carpace and flak armor, it's not good vs hordes, but you have 3 other guys on the team (plus an illisi) if you need to kill hordes

[golden frigate]

no better gun than blaze void

[vast hare]

Surge can also shoot through walls

[gilded viper]

Surge is great and reliable, I just find it hella boring

[vast hare]

so its extremely safe

[still hearth]

[gilded viper]

I want tubes in my head

[vast hare]

fake news

[spark fractal]

because you're not screaming "unlimited powaaah!" every time you cast it?

[vast hare]

PROPAGANDA

The only isue I have with the surge stick is that charging it is sorta useless

[gilded viper]

No because I prefer the pretty blue flames of Purgatus

[cyan notch]

its not that reliable

[vast hare]

it takes sooo long and does hardly anything extra

[viscid matrix]

i want my psyker powers to boost a gun like that image 😄

[vast hare]

Oh and its bad against actual hordes

cuz even if there are specials mixed in all the poxxers will eat your hits

it's aggravating

[spark fractal]

that is very pretty, pairs well with new enhanced brain burst too for anything too far away to set on fire

[gilded viper]

Smite with Trauma staff would be a cool cc combo

[still hearth]

Hopefully they made the Surge staff AoE

As in a cone like Purgatus

[spark fractal]

it's...already kind of like that? the lightning branches out in a sort of cone pattern (i guess more like a cylinder)

[viscid matrix]

Psyker generate ammo? also Dual pistols?????

[still hearth]

Yeah very helpful when you can't hit more than 6 targets

[gilded viper]

Symbols don’t mean anything unfortunately

[spark fractal]

shit, two shredders? everything dies

[viscid matrix]

symbols always mean somthing

[gilded viper]

Psyker being a living resource generator is a fun concept

[spark fractal]

probably just the ammo resource for the magic missile ability

we full wizards now

[golden frigate]

the first one is definitely something related to stagger, the second one is a psyker hand signal for retreat

[gilded viper]

Shadow wizard money gang!

[viscid matrix]

nah thats at the magic missile ability

the blue ammo icon is down near DD

[still hearth]

What if we all use magic missiles

[spark fractal]

psyker air traffic control signal for "this way please mr mutant"

[teal needle]

Empower + psy shards + trauma = magic missile machine

[still hearth]

RIP Warp Charges tho

[gilded viper]

It’s a keystone

[still hearth]

Yeah and it doesn't do what it did before

[golden frigate]

iirc for that one you have a wrist bent forwards but you might be right actually

[spark fractal]

if our base damage is otherwise fine it's not a huge loss, but yeah it's in a good place now, pretty easy to maintain 6 stacks

[viscid matrix]

all the good warp charge feats we currently have are basicly down here

[still hearth]

Because that's the warp charge keystone

[spark fractal]

oh man, we're gonna need more than 5 preset builds with all the weapon + ability choices

[viscid matrix]

yep

[teal needle]

Real question is, can an empowered psy shard or bb itself proc empower

[still hearth]

Modders gonna step up soon

[still hearth]

Probably.

[spark fractal]

lol vets don't even get keystones, they have no idea what to do with them

[viscid matrix]

already did

[teal needle]

Vt2 pyromancer has entered the chat

[tired totem]

FS deemed them too complex for Vet players simply.

[still hearth]

Modders stepping up before fatshark even makes changes

Why does Warp Siphon feel like a worse Empower???

[lapis bay]

can finally RP as a grey knight

[spark fractal]

might need a little more durability than the frail nerd bodies we're given

[lapis bay]

time to stack tougness ;-;

[viscid matrix]

i believe all the shield icons are toughness talents in some way

[still hearth]

The "lets remove warp charges but then add a keystone that's like even worse warp charges"

[lapis bay]

Yeah they were talking about stat increases, I wonder how big they'll be

[spark fractal]

sucks that some lvl 1 vet with a shovel has more toughness than a fully kitted out psyker ever will, we should be the toughness class, augmenting ourselves with psychic shields

[still hearth]

Disrupt Destinity will be great when everyone steals your destined kills

[viscid matrix]

it probaly still has the damage from warp charges, just need to take this node for it

[spark fractal]

make their heads light up to tell the team what to shoot, as is tradition

[cyan notch]

disrupt destiny is kind of a stupid name ngl

[viscid matrix]

what if its a good way to buff the Vet tho? would be kinda awesome if it buffs whoever kills them

[spark fractal]

you know what would actually be awesome? if a kill by a teammmate counted as your kill and buffed you, like you're literally guiding the team on what to kill, playing into that seer fantasy

[still hearth]

No

Don't give buffs to other people

Ew

[viscid matrix]

they need the help 😄 they dont have a keystone

[still hearth]

They don't need one.

[gilded viper]

I imagine there is a reason +damage got removed from warp charges

[viscid matrix]

it probaly became its own node

[spark fractal]

vets already have like 5 keystones built into their base stats, since the devs wanted them to be the "strong easy class" for newer players

[viscid matrix]

so thoughts on what the + on the hand icon could be? heal on mark kill or toughness regen on mark kill

[cyan notch]

railgun shot from the hand

[vast hare]

It randomly selects 6 targets in a wide cone

[safe crystal]

Railgun shot through the hand, thats the missing piece from your hand!

[vast hare]

which is really cool for specials and stuff

but ass into poxxers

[safe crystal]

Mans in serious pain shock after that

[quartz eagle]

Rogue trader drip

[vast hare]

he got that cowboycore rizz

[quartz eagle]

with the coat it's more cowboy-esque

[viscid matrix]

its a pity all the dcent skins are buy only, and we have mostly trash or recolours

[analog agate]

The penance black witch skin with the goggles is still one of my favorite

[vast hare]

Thats how it goes

Sustained development games need sustained income

can't live forever off just initial purchase

I don't care as long as I'm not forced to to play on the same field

[viscid matrix]

yeh but you can get the white and green or the blue version of the exact same skin

[gilded viper]

The black and red look so good

[vast hare]

I wonder if Scrier's gaze can be kept up indefinitely?

It doesnt list a duration and doesn't say we can't quell during it

so in theory we can have it forever?

[viscid matrix]

well you want to reach 30 seconds for max buff, so maybe?

[languid tusk]

i think its cool you can mess with fate on an individual level, like kark this heretic's whole future in particular

[vast hare]

If it works like VF on vet then its cooldown also runs while its active

so in theory even if you mess up and lose it, as long as you kept it awhile you can instantly reup it

[digital narwhal]

Would be pretty cool if it was indefinitely and only ending when reaching 100% Peril or ending it manually.

[vast hare]

Would heavily reward good peril management

which is a big plus in my book

[viscid matrix]

it only ends when reaching 100% peril? and it lasts for 10 seconds after that

[vast hare]

no more micro-quelling with BB

gotta actually manage peril

instead of abusing breakpoint

[digital narwhal]

Could be fun with Transfer Peril Voidstrike

It gives extra crit chance too, so

maybe Transfer Peril + Blazing Spirit?

[vast hare]

Eactly, so in theory if its cooldown runs while its up you could re-active it to keep your buff going forever

[viscid matrix]

there is no limit on duration, so quell to get it to boost higher damage

you want it to reach 30 seconds for maximum buff