psyker-class

[fierce crest]

ears

[upper galleon]

I don't think his specific conclusion is wrong, but it's the wrong conclusion to make

he made the right answer to the wrong question

[hybrid canopy]

it wasn't a controlled study. random team comp and map/modifiers play a larger part than what weapon they were holding.

[teal needle]

FOV adjustment

[indigo portal]

Do not kiss the dogs. Hope that helps.

[harsh salmon]

holy crap whats the range on force push

[upper galleon]

surround sound headset and trauma staff

[olive ember]

Spam lmb smh

[cyan notch]

like kissing distance

[upper galleon]

a controlled study is impossible

[indigo portal]

In all seriousness just rely on dodges over pushes and you're usually good.

[teal needle]

Yeah the big issues are no random sampling and lack of sampling size data for most weapons

[upper galleon]

game is too variable. Only fatshark has the big final data

but since fatshark won't release it, it would be good to at least see the numbers of multiple players

[hybrid canopy]

i agree, but people seem to act like someone recording their stats along the way was "good enough"

[upper galleon]

like, 20 players x 2,500 different hi stg games. And we could see playrates and winrates? ok now we are cooking

[indigo portal]

Pick up a Laspistol on Psyker, use the special attack. Test out the range on it. Very funny.

[harsh salmon]

the range on AB seems wild

[fierce crest]

having too much fun with this and i wanna branch out

[upper galleon]

shredder pistol

[cyan notch]

oh for F its 30m

[upper galleon]

no idea for recon lasguns they all kinda suck

[cyan notch]

i thought u meant force sword push

[harsh salmon]

ah

[fierce crest]

that is not a lasgun or autogun :(

[shy prairie]

hey psyker chat, remind me how to play psyker

[upper galleon]

it fires bullets

[fierce crest]

lame

[upper galleon]

it's an autopistol, autopistols are autoguns

[fierce crest]

they are in fact not

[shy prairie]

and autoguns are autopistols

[whole oxide]

exactly, you want to draw additional conclusions, but you don't expect the stats of the winrates to change, which makes perfect sense. more context sure, but not different numbers

[cyan notch]

use revolver its s tier

[teal needle]

Say edgy things about society

[upper galleon]

vraks 7 HH is great, tho if you don't like clicking you are gonna need to get the full auto mod

[shy prairie]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1012781034049384511/1128437362943348796/fuck_you.gif

[upper galleon]

then why tf you talking for

[teal needle]

[indigo portal]

A Recon with Kinetic Flayer is a funny meme build. Pair with a crowd clear melee of your choice.

[whole oxide]

because people sayings its 100% meaningless, not just that it could use being refined

[shy prairie]

hate that winrates have entered the spectrum of statistics

[fierce crest]

also not an autogun or lasgun :(

[upper galleon]

agri infantry autogun

[teal needle]

A low sample size means its more likely that a similar test would produce different results if done a second time

[upper galleon]

because the tier list is mostly useless?

[shy prairie]

forgot i had this on my psyker

peculiar

[whole oxide]

its not really a "tier list" thogh, its a banding by winrate

[upper galleon]

well then it should shown as that

and not a tier list

[indigo portal]

If you want a fully solid option, the Kantrael MkXII Lasgun is good for gunker. Hits hard with a little aim, and overall vibes pretty well.

[whole oxide]

it is shown as that

S: The weapon has a ~10% higher win rate than average.

A: The weapon has a ~5% higher win rate than average.

B: The weapon has an average win rate.

C: The weapon has ~5% lower win rate than average.

D: The weapon has ~10% lower win rate than average.

U: The weapon has insufficient data from low use rate.

[cyan notch]

with no data

[teal needle]

Ragnars doing a bit at this point right

[upper galleon]

agri infantry autogun. kanty 12 infantry las

both vraks headhunters. mk3 is burst fire, mk7 is singleshot, but you can get a full auto mod that will click for you

[indigo portal]

The first thing people think when they see a "S tier weapon" is "oh I should use that". It shows in the comments, it has and continues to show here. The medium to show off the numbers was a poor choice.

[whole oxide]

i don't disagree

[hybrid canopy]

i want a tier list for the different psyker personalities. one of them has to have a higher win rate... (loner)

[whole oxide]

the tiering is meaningless and arbitrary

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-hitori-gif-27014251

[upper galleon]

tagging you in completely i'm getting out of this witch chat

[shy prairie]

I'm about five seconds off posting the nerd-emoji on the radar screen image

[teal needle]

People would also be mislead if they looked at the list and thought "oh revolver has a higher than average win rate on psyker" too

[whole oxide]

again, i don't disagree

but there's a difference between saying "this has to be interpreted correctly" vs "this is 100% meaningless"

[olive ember]

Nooo come back

I need to talk to you about the surge staff

[cyan notch]

thats just up to people how they wanna view it

[olive ember]

And how surge staff will save us all and redeem us

[cyan notch]

its called an opinion

[olive ember]

Except mine

Mine are facts

[ivory heath]

how does crit work on the voidstrike staff?

i didnt think it could crit butr it has perrks for it?

[olive ember]

That’s the neat part

It sucks

[cyan notch]

[olive ember]

Serious answer is that you can stack up to 30% crit chance

[ivory heath]

yaaaa

[olive ember]

Psyker has 5% base, warp nexus gives 20% and there’s the crit chance perk

[ivory heath]

i thought it might suck but i was hoping there was a way to make it not suck

[olive ember]

Idr how good crit damage of voidstrike is but psure it’s not good (damage ain’t that good in general tbh)

[ivory heath]

ya the dmg is pretty trash

[indigo portal]

The point of a research post like this is to seamlessly provide information to the viewer. It's the translation between the raw data and the consumer. It's intention doesn't matter if the viewers aren't understanding that intention, it's a failure of the research post. Because of this 'mistranslation', it's a net negative. The neat parts are also creating misinformation. I wouldn't say the post "meaningless", but rather "worthless". It doesn't provide anything beneficial if it's also being detrimental.

[olive ember]

The only reason you would stack crit chance is for blazing spirit, but blazing spirit void is kinda mid iirc

[ivory heath]

it feels like it hits only slightly harder than the surge tbh outside of like hordes

[olive ember]

That’s because it does

[ivory heath]

OOF

[olive ember]

Surge does more damage against armor and has a target cap limit instead of cleave limit

[teal needle]

Exactly you really wouldn't want someone to look at that reddit post and say something like "revolver is clearly top not because its objectively best, but because only experienced players tend to run it" when it might well just be an outlier due to a sampling issue

[olive ember]

Voidstrike had a cleave limit

Of 6

[ivory heath]

ew wtf??

[olive ember]

For example a single mauler has like 20 cleave or wte the fuck

[teal needle]

Like im someone arguing you could use the post to contribute to a larger corpus of evidence

[olive ember]

So if you shoot a voidstrike ball into a horde and there’s a mauler

[shy prairie]

what's the 4-1-1 on current psyker talents

[olive ember]

The ball will just explode on the mauler

[olive ember]

What’s 411

I don’t understand code

[hybrid canopy]

i feel old

[ivory heath]

so only surge and purg are my saviors then

[olive ember]

Trauma is considered meta in this discord

But it’s a bit finicky

[shy prairie]

information on current talents for the funny psykerman

[olive ember]

Hardest one to use, needs good base stats, needs good blessings

[olive ember]

Depends on staff as always

[shy prairie]

it's always trauma

[olive ember]

Nothing too drastic has changed tho

[ivory heath]

i could see it in theory being bis but it feels like it just causes a few too many messes

[indigo portal]

Based on the weapons/blessings being used. Tier 5 and Tier 6 are also based on preference/weakness covering.

[shy prairie]

fs/trauma until i go insane from pubbies getting downed to groaners

[plucky flax]

[ivory heath]

whats the good juice to put on trauma

[plucky flax]

[olive ember]

Depends on playstyle and who you ask

There’s two ways to build it and both are considered meta

[languid tusk]

its the ultimate troll move

ppl start using s tier weapons

s tier weapons become c tier

and the cycle begins anew

[olive ember]

Uhh for trauma do you use blaze crit or flurry

Revolver psyker is like off meta Option maybe B tier is I’m generous

[languid tusk]

after playing with trauma staff a little bit I have to agree that it's solid A tier. It takes care of the main weakness of illisi namely crusher/bulwark patrol

[olive ember]

C tier would be like

[teal needle]

No its top because only pro psykers run it

[olive ember]

Random autoguns

[olive ember]

LMAO I WISH

[harsh salmon]

does AB need LOS to apply soul burn?

[cyan notch]

no

[olive ember]

Anything your push affects it affects

[languid tusk]

EXCUSE ME are you saying my favorite psyker weapon the columnus braced autogun is a measly C tier ?

[harsh salmon]

huh cool got fucked by a bug then

[olive ember]

Verticality fucks it up tho

If there’s an enemy above or below you roll the fucking dice for if your F hits em

[olive ember]

Look be glad I’m not putting it D tier with recon kekw

[teal needle]

Recon rules. For 0.2 seconds out of every 15 seconds

The other 14.8 seconds we don't talk about

[plucky flax]

Nah it's D tier. Only purg is truly S tier.

[hybrid canopy]

if i'm running illisi for horde clear. what perks/blessings should i get on a trauma? every trauma staff i try to make ends up booty.

[cyan notch]

my tierlist is such that there are only 2 tiers

D/S/2/7/B/E/A/G/84
and
F++

[indigo portal]

It fine for non-maniacs humans. Great for shooters. I wouldn't want to see a Gunker running a Recon when the Laspistol/Warp Unleashed combo exists though.

[plucky flax]

Try trauma for horde clear it's okay.

[teal needle]

Fine is how I'd put it as well

[cyan notch]

is aight

[hybrid canopy]

lol but illisi is okayer

[plucky flax]

Hmmm

If you feel that way.

[whole oxide]

if you're saving trauma mostly for crushers/maulers, then a flurry/rending with flak/unarmoured and Inner Tranq is probably best. The other option is blazing/nexus with some of the soulfire traits, but, that's a bit more horde-clear-y

[teal needle]

"Hey guys I'm bringing a recon on this mission."

"Fine."

[languid tusk]

lets all bring recons

then we can have a recon-off

[plucky flax]

Rending actually doesn't increase your own staff damage fyi.

[whole oxide]

yeah, rending is just a nice bonus for your team, can swap it for Focused Channeling if you prefer

[olive ember]

What if it’s on my recon tho

[teal needle]

That reminds me i still need to get rid of backstab rending on my vet knife

If only literally any knives appeared in the stores to harvest perks off of

[fierce crest]

how is that different with any other gun with warp unleashed

[indigo portal]

Laspistol has a 10% peril shove attack that can be used to keep WU up.

[fierce crest]

ahhh

neat

well its not a lasgun or autogun but maybe thats the gunker build i need to pull me away from axe purge

[indigo portal]

My favorite build for my meme psyker is a BM axe with Laspistol. No peril gen outside of BB and the shove yet I can edge my perils.

[olive ember]

It’s… not that good ngl

[teal needle]

When I'm running gunker sometimes i just rev my force sword to get to high peril so i can feel like a real psyker

[fierce crest]

real psykers make ppls heads explodes from 80m out

[indigo portal]

The Laspistol itself is pretty good with some aim. Has an anti-shooter profile. The shove is just the little added thing, I mostly use it for edging perils but it has a surprising use case for poxbursters. Otherwise the special is just a minor CC tool, not much but the range on it is nice.

I wouldn't say it's the best option, but it's enough to be good with an actual build.

[fierce crest]

i mean

[teal needle]

Laspistol is nice if you are scoring a lot of headshots and can count on your teammates to clear specials at the middle distance

[fierce crest]

compared to the special of the full size lasguns

force push not bad

[teal needle]

... which is why I don't run it

[olive ember]

Idk I’d rather just use a mk 12 if I hated shooters that much

Also flashlight

Mk 12 has flashlight

[fierce crest]

clickclickclick

[indigo portal]

Ah yeah. I used to be competitive with shooters and I've kept my sens the same so Laspistol just clicks for me. I wouldn't recommend it if you're only going for body shots for sure.

[cyan notch]

laspistol fake ammo weapon

F+ tier

[fierce crest]

thats why i used the mk8 infantry autogun

blink blink blink

[plucky flax]

I use blaze trauma to clear shooters.

[teal needle]

I run up and stab em

[fierce crest]

deimos my beloved

[teal needle]

Unless they're being annoying and i got other stuff on my plate and need the to instantly dissapear. Hello shredder

[languid tusk]

really fun how monstrosity maelstrom is all about restarting the run until you get a team that gets through the first room

like pulling the lever at a gacha machine

[teal needle]

Makes me miss vt2, where the cata queuers are bonkers

[still hearth]

Would you rather get meta slaves that have no game sense. Or great players but they use the worst weapons.

[fluid knot]

The latter

No contest

[teal needle]

Yeah latter is easy pick

[fluid knot]

A great or even good player can use a bad weapon, someone with no gamesense is always deadweight

[still hearth]

Yeah I'm feeling that too. I've had so many goofballs using S tier stuff

And then...

Just no sense of anything

[plucky flax]

I only use meta weapons like surge staff + my incredibly bad game sense.

[still hearth]

Wasting ammo all the time, not moving into good positions, not helping team-mates in need.

So many Veterans with the XII just

Standing next to someone with a dog on them

Shooting at something else

Do you not have sound??

[shy prairie]

the shredder vet not shooting the crusher i just full charged with trauma (he doesn't know i have rending on the staff)

[still hearth]

Not playing with debuff mod is kinda bad

But if you play with XII or laspistol Vet they'll shoot crushers before you've even used trauma on it

[shy prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/bojo-lockdown-gif-19828729

[still hearth]

At least I am psyched for when we get the patch.

[languid tusk]

honestly if its monstrosity maelstrom just give me a bad player with a bolter

[still hearth]

[shy prairie]

im going to try purgatus for the first time since beta..

[languid tusk]

as long as he can hit the chaos spawn with it, its all good

[shy prairie]

what do..

[still hearth]

Just spam RMB into hordes and anything that isn't close

Use LMB sometimes to stagger things

[shy prairie]

like.. for the staff

[still hearth]

Ah

[shy prairie]

in unrelated news:

[still hearth]

Probably flak and unyielding perks.
Warp Flurry and the one that gives crit.

[shy prairie]

first roll..

[still hearth]

That's pretty much perfect tbh. I don't feel like Warp Flurry 4 is worth it over Warp Flurry 3 but its up to you. Warp Flurry isn't even necessary imo its just the best of the options.

[plucky flax]

Unarmoured to flak. Flurry 3 to 4.

[fluid knot]

Thats the thing ive noticed over time since release.. its nearly always Vets that have terrible gamesense. Not saying there arent some really standout players out there, but my good lord so many of them are just utterly terrible

[shy prairie]

i forgot staves do not have shared pools

i'm going to implode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BEUykdqTq0&t=11s

[fierce crest]

whats better the big inantry autogun or the big recon lasgun

[still hearth]

It's hard to pick between two bad options tbh

Probably the autogun

[fierce crest]

Las has bigger clip and better damage to armor
autogun has higher rof and better weakspot damage

[lyric burrow]

Which recon vs which autogun

[fierce crest]

the high damage of both

infantry autogun

[lyric burrow]

Almost definitely the autogun

[broken quail]

headhunter mk3 and nothing else, I love that gun so much

[lyric burrow]

Recon might be the worst gun in the game across the board

Any mk

[broken quail]

Mk7 headhunter is usable but it sacrifices like a third of the ammo you get on mk3 for very little extra damage

[lyric burrow]

I think the mk7 is quite good but the maniac damage is bad which sucks

Vet can make up for it but you can still feel it

[fierce crest]

the mk7 recon gets the double shot thing which it makes it similar to the inf autoguns in terms of ammo and damage

[plucky flax]

V6d is good just a bit ammo hungry.

[teal needle]

There are many good vets but also if someone runs right into a burster I've already shoved and dies and starts screaming into mic how nobody knows how to shove bursters any more I'm going to make an assumption about what class they are playing

(And then ragequits the second time they die blessedly letting a more competent player join so we can complete the a5 mission no I'm not relating what happened to me yesterday why do you ask)

[digital narwhal]

Got 3 God Rolls just today iirc

[fierce crest]

heavy recon vs light infantry

[olive ember]

why are you using heavy recon

tf?

[fierce crest]

feels nice

[olive ember]

smh

[fierce crest]

chunka chunka

[olive ember]

everyone knows if you are going to use the recon

you use the VId

[plucky flax]

100k diamante

[digital narwhal]

These 3 just in one day.

Feels good.

[olive ember]

for the funny bullet hose

[digital narwhal]

I'm ready for October 4th

[queen fog]

as am i

[fierce crest]

but 1/3 damage and only 2x rof

[plucky flax]

Not god rolled considering you have t3 blessing on the trauma.

[teal needle]

Honestly I'm probably just speccing harder into gunker on 10/4 lol

[digital narwhal]

I mean, close enough.

[plucky flax]

Also not 80% damage and blast radius but that's beside the point.

[digital narwhal]

I mean, it doesn't impact any breakpoints iirc, so

eh

[upper galleon]

yea no

i'm not taking WaW over WU

[teal needle]

What about UWU

[plucky flax]

Just saying bro it's not god roll at least on the trauma is all. I don't play void so no comment on that. The surge is eh, elite is debatable. Not my pick but you do you.

[digital narwhal]

I hope we're able to use Warp Unleashed with Inner Tranquility on October 4th

[digital narwhal]

I mean, it was that or 8% Weak Spot Damage

[teal needle]

My bet is they're on different teats

[plucky flax]

Even this I don't consider god roll. Need slightly higher quell and slightly lower warp resistance.

[zinc phoenix]

Gonna have to use both hands for that 🖐️ 🤚

[fierce crest]

i hope the tips of the teats arent so polarizing that weird hybrid builds arent viable

hey guys, thoughts on my new sword

[still hearth]

[teal needle]

God tier

[fierce crest]

my goal in life is to get a perfect 321

with 1 damage

[light maple]

amazing

[viral solstice]

when precog meta drops ur gonna be slamming fools with this badboi

[potent echo]

When will we be in low damage meta

[spice veldt]

PRECOOOOG

[fierce crest]

im keeping it for sure

meta or not

its too funny

[potent echo]

Does 10% finesse also increases attack speed?

[queen fog]

finesse's thing is that it increases attack speed AND critical/weakpoint damage

so ya

[spice veldt]

prob asking about precog

you know, it would be whack to have to distinguish between finesse on the weapon stat card and precog's description if they did two related but slightly related things

god damnit

we don't know yet, but I assume that "finesse" is the term that they've merged "crit/weakspot" into, in order to imply how they're related systems

[thorn cedar]

they just do w/e they want tbh

like some weapons have attack speed on finesse

some dont

some only have attack speed

others have attack speed on crowd control

[spice veldt]

wtf

what on god's green earth

[teal needle]

It's the weapon manufacturers fault, no industry standard for what you're supposed to put on your guns collateral slider smdh

[spice veldt]

custom crosshair color
hudtweaker
numeric UI (for the dodge counter, but I made my own changes to it to represent it with angle brackets)
CrosshairHUD

• Peril meter
• Diamond ult indicator
• Warp charge indicator
• StaminaVis (I made my own edits to make it fade instead of becoming completely invisible)

[queen fog]

ngl i've been hesitant to add mods cuz of the big ol update happinin in a week

but alot of them are real handy like the voicelines mod

[fierce crest]

🙏

[spice veldt]

yeah, i hope none of my UI mods break

[dull osprey]

i think the mod which disables the annoying block effect of the force sword is must tho

you cant see shit without it

[fierce crest]

wrack and ruin seems kinda lame

[queen fog]

huh so u dont have to tolerate the warp energy lines through the power of mods

thats sick

[fierce crest]

doesnt even work on bosses

doesnt do enough to make running the other soulblaze talents without purg worth it

[queen fog]

thats cuz it doesnt speificy monsters

only elites n specials

[fierce crest]

yeah

im not saying its lying

im saying its lame

[queen fog]

i know how u feel tho

[fierce crest]

it could be 10 meters and it might be nice

[spice veldt]

WnW enjoyers eating good after the skill tree update

[queen fog]

ive BBed a beast of nurgle a few times ans i was like "why is he not on fire?"

remembering the fine print on some abilities has a sting sometimes

[fierce crest]

the problem is, it needs other soulblaze stuff to synergize with

and if that other stuff is good

may as well run purg

[spice veldt]

though not competing with warp unleashed is pretty good

[queen fog]

speaking of toughness related talents i can't wait to see what they got in store for us new talent wise

[spice veldt]

and taking it means that you don't need purg or blazing spirit

i'm going to take quietitude + warp absorption the moment I can

they better not nerf warp absorption too hard

[queen fog]

omg, animal slinkie

[spice veldt]

ferret jumpscare

[shadow wigeon]

You can do a meme BB build with wrack, aura, wildfire/battery, kinetic barrage

It's quite fun, but falls apart if there's a dedicated elite hunter around, bolter, plasma etc.

The damage is competitive, but it's mostly just fun

[fierce crest]

well obviously this wont matter on the the 4th

but why not just use warp unleashed

[shadow wigeon]

Also it's better on HISTG with lots of elites, lower difficulty can be underwhelming

[fierce crest]

still feels like youre putting out such a small amount of soulblaze

[whole oxide]

the amount of soulblaze just depends on number of available elites, lots of targets = lots of soulblaze

[queen fog]

i feel ya without something like wildfire it doesnt much go anywhere stack wise

sure u can try building crit on the flame staff but that would only add 1 more stack of soulblaze when it crits

so that dont wokr

[shadow wigeon]

Sort of, it puts out a surprising amount. But it's really just for fun, it is not a very strong build.

[queen fog]

HOLY SHIT HOW TF DID I NEVER KNOW BOUT THIS

thank u

[whole oxide]

honestly WnR is BIS for a blazing trauma/void build

[queen fog]

i cant even put to words how flabbergasted i am seeing quell canceling in action

[viral solstice]

finesse on weapons is just a stat that scales whatever, can be a mix

but finesse the stat is a stat that scales finesse damaage as a category which is crit, weakspot and crit weakspot

and crudely weapons have a finesse multi which is roughly how much u get for doin a weakspot or w/e

but finesse damage is also the peepee poopoo

much too thonk about

[upper galleon]

nah

WU post fix

is better imo

unless you skip out on wildfire for 6 charges

having 4 charges and no other boosts make your BBs miss so many BPs,

like I just used WnR and like, i just wished I had WU the whole time

[fierce crest]

even if it wasnt competing with WU

just feels very inconsequential

[upper galleon]

I mean, there was a period of time where WU didn't affect soulblaze I believe

now that it does... it's really nice

[harsh salmon]

build does alot of damage

but somthing about somthing isnt clicking

im able to get missions done, but im going down alot

know of any gameplay of this build?

[potent echo]

What's your weapon loadout

[harsh salmon]

flame staff and force sword

[potent echo]

I take 1st toughness talent, but people tell me it's poopoo

[restive slate]

Are you using m1 on your staff?

[potent echo]

2nd toughness talent doesnt help you in high shooter environments

[spice veldt]

depends

warp absorption is fine with trauma + illisi

[harsh salmon]

not very often, i mostly swap to sword

[harsh salmon]

should i try wiht quietude?

[potent echo]

With purge you should have staff out 90% of the time

[spice veldt]

run whatever is comfortable

I stack 3 tough + kinetic shield so I have enough of a buffer to reach ranged patrols before they dink me

[potent echo]

Yea I'll just say that 2nd talent only works when you are winning the encounter, by then you don't need toughness regen

[spice veldt]

not necessarily

[potent echo]

But use whatever you're comfortable with there's no clear winner

[harsh salmon]

imma try again with 1st regenb talent

i like the way it feels

[spice veldt]

the burst toughness from warp absorption is quite nice for diving ranged patrols with the illisi

[harsh salmon]

i cant get in to shooters

even with blocking

i dont get how you are supposed to

[potent echo]

You can do the scuffed purge charge move tech

[spice veldt]

you get ranged i-frames on dodges, slides, and sprinting perpendicularly

[potent echo]

As I charge my staff, I turn 90degrees to the side and start dodge sliding towards them

[spice veldt]

it's easier against certain enemies like scab stalkers, whose damage falloff happens after a rather short distance (7m to 14m iirc)

compared to dreg stalkers and scab shooters which have their falloff range at 15m and 30m

[potent echo]

LMB puff is also invaluable for staggering most elites and specialists

[spice veldt]

and dreg stalkers not doing that much hp damage

[potent echo]

Like trapper net or bomber nade etc

[spice veldt]

I play safer against scab shooters (green eyes) since they also like to stay in cover and not like to approach you

and deal more hp damage

[indigo portal]

If you're aggressive Warp Absorption will proc often. If you're passive Quietitude will have more uptime is the way I see it.

Slamming shooters with a Trauma while schmoving around is good for toughness generation with WA.

[harsh salmon]

i have tried it multiple times, i just dont like it

im sure its good

it just doesnt feel good to me

[indigo portal]

It's very much a preference.

Use what you feel allows for the most fun.

[harsh salmon]

you know what else it could be?

[potent echo]

Yea it's based on playstyle

[harsh salmon]

been playing alot of Veteren recently

with 75% DR and no ranged damage

with an autogun

just running at shooters

[potent echo]

I heard that is getting changed on Oct 4th, although I have no real source for that information

[harsh salmon]

oh no it defiantly is

nerfed

it could also just be removed completly

and i will complain be you me XD

[spice veldt]

my focus is unwavering

[potent echo]

Horrors from the warp vs bastion 220 combat stance

[viral solstice]

horrors from the warp dont even have a number

not that powerful imo

[crude cape]

does psykinetics aura have a cooldown?

[thorn cedar]

nope

[crude cape]

like, will it pull peoples ult off cooldown very quickly with no limit say in a maelstrom mode with waves of elites?

[compact bluff]

as long as youre the one killing the elites/specials, yup

[crude cape]

i think the answer is yes but i haven't used it a TON

ok gotcha

[bold patrol]

Out of curiosity what do y'all think is the best staff

[fierce crest]

fire

[blazing echo]

I've tried em all, I like the Purgatus. It seems to be an intensely personal choice tho.

Omg it's 40k lightsabre rules

[fierce crest]

shock is cool for cc

but fire

i can stagger a crusher with one swing of my axe

what i need cc for

[restive slate]

What if Surge had Soulblaze blessing...

[fierce crest]

soulblaze on crit

but i like it for the cone spray, not necessarily the fire

[harsh salmon]

BRO

MY LUCK

[restive slate]

Surge could probably benefit from it since it has hughest crit chance

[fierce crest]

miniguns and acid hoses are fun too

[harsh salmon]

EVERY SINGLE STAFF I HAVE ROLLED HAS ROLLED WITH WARP FLURRY AND TERRIFYING BARRAGE

AND NOTHING ELSE \

[fierce crest]

i mean

[restive slate]

How terrifying

[fierce crest]

theres like 4 options

youre gonna get the same 2 sometimes

hot streaks and all that

[harsh salmon]

its been everytime

not just

like once or twice

[restive slate]

Imagine you get a good one on next Damnation Emperor Gift

[potent echo]

After rolling a bunch of weapons, I'm somehow convinced that the seed for the rolls is based on the time of day

[dawn wolf]

Veteran player here, thank you psykers for highlighting the enemies head for me. No, I won't let you finish. What's a warp charge?

[harsh urchin]

Staves have like 4 blessings to roll

So it's not that surprising

Especially if by "every single staff i have rolled" you mean you rolled like 2

[empty shuttle]

I'm in danger

[bold patrol]

perish

[restive slate]

Time to whip out the autopistol

[whole hawk]

no problem pendejo

[shadow wigeon]

If you are rolling Surge or Purg, and your first blessing is not something you want (blessing or tier) and it's not Barrage, then replace it with Barrage.

Great increases your odds of getting the right blessings.

[harsh salmon]

Good point

[plucky flax]

Yooo need update on this

[serene edge]

will there be some major wepon rebalancing with the perk rework?

or will they stay the same

[grizzled jasper]

It’s gonna be fs way of balancing things

[indigo portal]

We don't know specifics, but the Class Overhaul is going to come with weapon/blessing balancing. No clue if it'll be major, but some of the leaked blessing changes seem to be substantial.

[grand arrow]

hopefully they bring back pistol hipfire

[burnt slate]

Do staff attacks count as "ranged kills" to clear the missions?

[plucky flax]

Not if it's warp damage. Like the burn, or trauma blast.

But I think it's still better than melee since most people shoot rather than melee.

[lucid horizon]

this is wild

[potent echo]

Scoreboard counts purge kills as ranged, not sure if the same flag though

[plucky flax]

It's not the same. I think the direct damage from purg will count for contract.

But the burn won't.

[onyx sentinel]

since when were we able to rebless twice??

[echo sigil]

Since the last major patch in August.

[modern hare]

Hi, just returned to the game, decided to try the Illisi force sword, any advice on the blessings / perks that are solid on it ?

[patent steeple]

Blessings-wise, Slaughterer first and foremost. Then you can either pick Unstable Power or Deflector as the other one. I dunno about the perks myself...

[plucky flax]

Maniac (most important) and flak.

[patent steeple]

I upgraded this Deimos to max, hoping I could be able to make it have both Slaughterer and Deflector, but the RNG was unkind in this case.

I already have a Deimos with better stats, but its got Unstable Power and Deflector (I want Slaughterer alongside Deflector).

Is this Deimos still decent in terms of the perks, or should I just consider this one worthless?

[plucky flax]

You can change unarmoured to maniac. First target and damage are a tad low though so it'll be harder to kill muties.

[patent steeple]

alright, but the blessings will be utter garbage...

[plucky flax]

Change 1 of them to slaughterer but yeah it's not ideal.

[patent steeple]

but you see, I am so used to Deflector that I kinda suck at playing without it...

[plucky flax]

Same bro I play with deflector when I use force sword.

[still hearth]

I play with Deflector and still die

Mostly because I forget to use it

[whole oxide]

i got too used to playing slaught/unstable, and now whenever i equip deflector i always forget to use it

[plucky flax]

[patent steeple]

wait a minute... am I wrong, or does the second heavy of Deimos have actually higher carapace dmg than the first heavy...? The damage numbers on the weapon inspecting menu says that...

[still hearth]

It does

[plucky flax]

With deimos and carapace damage, you can 2 special heavy 1 on the head to kill a crusher.

But be wary of self stun lock.

[lucid terrace]

Force greatsword is happening

Probably

[languid tusk]

second heavy on the deimos does crazy dmg to pretty much everything

i've seen a psyker oneshot a mutant with it

[potent echo]

Yea just 25% maniac and high peril is enough

[digital narwhal]

Going back and looking through the Imperial Edition cosmetics and-

Psyker 100% got the best of them.

[lapis bay]

psykers is cool but zealot is where its at

[regal jasper]

Psyker fashion is top fashion

[olive ember]

Psyker has some decent fashion but they also have funny toilet bowl

[regal jasper]

Lmao

I mean with some of the other hats a neck brace could probably help them

[lapis bay]

LMAO also Psykers are the only character models that run like they have neck braces. Not sure if clever animation or weird animation lock, but if you sprint, the character runs with their head down

https://tenor.com/view/head-first-break-door-crash-gif-7836525

[dusk idol]

which rifle is worth trying on psyker?

[regal jasper]

Voidstrike staff

[potent echo]

Purgatus staff

[dusk idol]

how about something thats a bir stronger?

[regal jasper]

Lies

[regal jasper]

Nothing is stronger then voidstrike

Except my love for voidstrike

And my love for gale

[potent echo]

Can psykers use braced autoguns?

[dusk idol]

dont think i have seen a voidstrike ingame for ages

[cyan notch]

no

only infantry

[potent echo]

[regal jasper]

Yeah we are a select few

[lapis bay]

Is that the bowling one

[potent echo]

Oh you can use vraks III headhunter on psyker

[cyan notch]

o yea u can use headhunters

[potent echo]

https://youtu.be/fcdrDgWBk7U?si=Ezmxp7U3o5RBdaUP

[empty onyx]

Does Surge trigger on the charged voidstrike and is it worth it?

[cyan notch]

it does

probably not that worth it

30% (at best) chance to shoot an extra ball (which itself isnt a crit) or fast and unlimited spamming of balls (flurry + transfer peril)

one of them has way more balls per second

[empty onyx]

Wouldn't you normally voidstrike downwards though? Aiming at the heads means the ball quickly flies up and away.

[lyric burrow]

Nah you aim down a horde at head level

Unless the enemy is way above you the ball shouldnt be going above anyones head after the first target

[still hearth]

You want to jump and shoot straight

And just slightly over heads

Though a max charged ball is generally big enough to hit all the heads before blowing up anyway

[lyric burrow]

Yeah max charge never gives me issue

[random summit]

hit good

[fluid knot]

Best setup (if you're willing to quell cancel a lot) on Void is Blazing/Nexus

[empty onyx]

Already have a Trauma for that.

[fluid knot]

In terms of actually using the Blazing aspect, Void actually does it better than Trauma for two reasons. 1. It can put them out much faster and 2. it essentially can apply DoTs twice from one ball, 3 when it cleaves a target/s, and 3 from the orb exploding

Ofc you lose direct damage, and a fair amount of it as the tradeoff

[empty onyx]

Also Void only does it in the semi-narrow lane it hits, whereas Trauma can ignite enemies that are spread out over a significant area.

[fluid knot]

At a much lower chance to do so yes... Hence the quell cancelling, where you can spam out balls into eveything around you by simply, you know.. moving your mouse...

[regal jasper]

Psyker

I barely know her

[lapis bay]

What are the best stats to go for? Toughness and combat ability?

[regal jasper]

No one laughed at my joke

[teal needle]

I goof about all the dumb things that happen to psykers in tabletop but it actually would be cool if they made different stuff happen for perils of the warp

Spawn a plaguebearer or turn off the lights for a minute or something

[still hearth]

Combat Ability is pretty bad.

Sniper Resistance saves so many runs for me when snipers just hit you from nowhere, or mid dodges because the server decided so.

Revive Speed is probably the biggest saver too.

Toughness or HP maybe as a third option. Or Toughness Regen

[teal needle]

Combat ability might be good next week who knows

[still hearth]

I run Stamina Regen because I like sliding

Yeah but then you can reroll into it (hopefully)

[teal needle]

Fair

And almost certainly

[still hearth]

Though some people run Combat Ability (and with Quicken and 6 stacks you actually get it back way before you even get the third BB off)

Just for fun

I hope they make quicken even more fun

I really love it but its pretty awful

Even if you're perma stunning hordes

Let shout stun mutants too

[olive ember]

Fucking

Quicken users

[teal needle]

Quicken would be cool if it didn't exclude the other options in its tier. It would synergize so well with them

As it is you're just getting a bad knockdown and okay peril vent faster at the cost of ruining your damage buff

[bold patrol]

Agree

[teal needle]

Quicken with the faster bb talent would be... maybe not great as a build but still really fun

[bold patrol]

It's just not as strong as the other options

It's not a build friendly

[teal needle]

The real problem with it is that the F ability is shite on its own so why sacrifice anything at all to make it recharge faster. Maybe that will change next week who knows

[bold patrol]

I try to have the 5 percent cooldown reduction on my curios

a base of 15 percent faster cooldown is pretty useful if you're running a burn or burst build

[digital narwhal]

Imagine being able to use Quicken with Ascendant Blaze on October 4th

Just delete rooms over and over

[bold patrol]

Would be busted

[digital narwhal]

Good.

[teal needle]

Honestly the simple fact you'd have to build up stacks again means it's still not as fast as just killing stuff normally, but is a fun build that lives up to the psyker fantasy

[cinder moon]

it goes through walls and floors and pushes for like 30-40m, so when your idiot teammate doesn't drop past the point of no return and gets pounced, you can still save them

[teal needle]

Yeah but I'd still take just about anything over a faster F cooldown. Saving idiot teammates maybe once every few games is not exactly the coolest nor best use of a class ability

[cinder moon]

maybe i just like being pushy

[spice veldt]

I like the F for saving myself from dogs and trappers

or knocking a ranged patrol (when it works)

[cinder moon]

but yeah, i don't have the faster cooldown on pretty much any build

[spice veldt]

i don't run quicken but I do run psyk aura

since you get the benefits of CDR without the downsides

[olive ember]

You have to figure out a way to get stacks

[teal needle]

The aura is better for sure

[digital narwhal]

Well, Ascendant Blaze comes with a method of doing so, yeah?
Let's assume that sticks through.
Plus, 4% chance to gain a stack on any kill from anyone in your coherency is nice, assuming that makes it through too.

[olive ember]

Well it’s kinda rng and with the maths it’s kinda eh?

[cinder moon]

i like hitting a crowd with AB and getting back warp charges for my gunker build

[olive ember]

Idk we’ll have to see

[cinder moon]

then again i hate when i AB a crowd and get no warp charges because RNG

[spice veldt]

i like chance-based stuff as a way of nerfing things

hopefully we'll get more of that stuff in the feats

[olive ember]

Arcotash wants more layers of rng

At this point just go to a fucking casino

[spice veldt]

uh huh

[olive ember]

You’re west coast anyways

Should be fairly close

[spice veldt]

i'm right on the coast, not in vegas or whatever

[olive ember]

Meh close enough

[lapis bay]

is kinetic shield worth the point?

[harsh urchin]

Yeah but you dont need to invest anything into it for it to do that

And thats his point

[spice veldt]

i like it, but optimality-wise, I wouldn't run kinetic shield w/o trauma or +stam/block eff

[olive ember]

Yo I can run kinetic shield and deflection

So many possibilities

[teal needle]

Yeah my stance is it wouldn't be imba just a nice tool that lives up to psyker fantasy better than what we got

I could still see running the current F on some builds (still w no quicken unless it has a much lesser opportunity cost) but will almost certainly be switching it out if the others are any good at all

[still hearth]

I don't actually use it though

I just wish it was viable

It does let you just permanently use BB but since you lose your stacks its not that great

[lunar hollow]

the way stamina stats are distributed across classes is one of the most deranged parts of dt

[spice veldt]

such a stupidly wide range

i'm fine with psyker having low base stamina and a regen delay, but vet having a 1.25s delay is proper whack

[olive ember]

They’re the ranged class

[spice veldt]

crab remarked on this iirc so hopefully things change

[olive ember]

Stop coping you are already broken

Filthy bolter vet

[lunar hollow]

i hope if it isn't changed for the entire class u can get some sort of stat buff

that means ur not waiting half an hour to get stamina after a single push

[lunar hollow]

i think having like literally 2 bars of stamina is kinda extreme

but this is also on the class with kinetic deflection

[spice veldt]

1 bar base

but at the same time, I'm kind of fine with it

since as long as you don't get caught in a situation where you need at stamina quickly, you can have a lot of sustain over time

e.g., a psyker w/o any stamina/kd/etc. being able to kite a chaos spawn with just the force swords, even if you don't spam the dodges

[still hearth]

Vet needs less stamina

The fact that they can even block at all

Absolutely ridiculous

Why are you even blocking? Just press F

[spice veldt]

and force swords being one of the worst weapons in terms of blocking by default with 3 stam bars and 1 block cost

[indigo portal]

Their weak little arms shouldn't even be able to hold a weapon. 😳

[teal needle]

See this is why psyker needs a real murder F

[still hearth]

All they can hold is your hand.

[still hearth]

Hope for the psychic shards active

[teal needle]

More like psychic sharts

[indigo portal]

The mind shards are a Blitz.

[teal needle]

I'll save that for if they're bad on launch

[indigo portal]

Grenade slot, same as BB.

[lunar hollow]

i just don't particularly see why psyker should have such weird stamina stats. it doesn't particularly make sense like how ogryn gets a million fuckin stamina bars, but maybe itll be different on the 4th

i dont really like the human classes having crazy different stamina beyond stuff like zealot's base sprint speed at 0% stamina being higher than other classes

[indigo portal]

I mean, you'll be able to edit base stamina with Patch 13. That means everyone will have weird stamina stats.

[still hearth]

You'll be able tow hat

[lunar hollow]

that has nothing to do with what im saying though

[spice veldt]

i consider psyker's stats to be fine and vet's stats to be an outlier

[lunar hollow]

unless it's changed which is not said at all

[still hearth]

Ogryn gets a million stamina and yet it costs 3 stamina to block

[teal needle]

Honestly I'm fine with zealots getting stam bonuses because they have shouty lungs and the power of insanity. Vets though? Don't get it

[still hearth]

Vets don't work out they just sit in Camo.

[indigo portal]

The skill trees have grey nodes. Those nodes let you edit your base Health, Toughness, Crit Chance, and Stamina. iirc Stamina isn't officially confirmed but a playtester talked about it.

[still hearth]

I mean no one should ever take Stamina but

[spice veldt]

depends on how many bars

[still hearth]

+10 bars

[spice veldt]

if it's just for the price of one point

[still hearth]

But stamina doens't scale % wise

Unlike Health and Toughness

From curios

[spice veldt]

though it regenerates on getting hit

[still hearth]

I'd rather not get hit tbh

[spice veldt]

basically my main strategy for regenning stamina on vet and ogryn anyways

[golden frigate]

shield enjoyers

[spice veldt]

it's very difficult to avoid getting hit by ranged attacks

[lunar hollow]

unfortunately getting hit is a pretty consistent part of the game

[spice veldt]

even with dodge-sliding

[lunar hollow]

regardless of what you're doing

[still hearth]

That's true

[teal needle]

Honestly every time im clenched in auric its because something did unmitigatable 100% toughness damage, there's just too much of that for me to like toughness much

[lunar hollow]

stamina has specific utility that health and toughness don't that instead scales with sources of +impact

[teal needle]

Its a nice cushion but i never feel like it saves my life

[still hearth]

I unironically am 100% sure I win more with 3 HP curios on Zealot

[lunar hollow]

i would wager a stamina curio on zealot is way more valuable than ogryn because you can stack punishment and knock most things on their ass

[spice veldt]

i like toughness for playing aggressively into ranged enemies

[still hearth]

Idk what it is

But I just end up dying way less

[spice veldt]

and as long as you don't take a 3rd consecutive hit in melee, health and toughness are roughly equivalent against melee hits

[lunar hollow]

and that gives the pushes themselves more value

[still hearth]

Might be the HP buffer after I go down that makes it way more valuable

[teal needle]

Yeah i swear by hp, at least 2 of em

[spice veldt]

i don't really get ganked by fire anymore, so I just stack 3 tough

[still hearth]

I swapped to toughness and I do feel like I'm just dying way more easily

[spice veldt]

i do take a single hp curio on burster/sniper maelstroms though

[lunar hollow]

on zealot in particular i will never run more than 1 hp curio because ive found that in most situations where i get stuck at 1 hp are the ones where damage doesn't really matter

like when u get forced to backtrack because of monstrous special spam/hordes

[spice veldt]

my logic is that being able to rush through a map faster = less opportunities to get worn down
and if my toughness is peeled, it's very likely that I'll be dead anyways (besides getting hit by bursters/snipers multiple times between medicaes)

[lunar hollow]

the only way to die to pure poxwalkers is mechanical error or being disconnected

[lunar hollow]

and >1 person is dead

and if i hit 1 hp in the first place i was probably not going to recover before activating until death

[spice veldt]

toughness will probably be better in the next patch when you can take >2 toughness feats at a time for more consistent regen

[still hearth]

I don't work on logic

I win more with HP = HP is better

[lunar hollow]

hp to me is just an enabler for doing dumb shit, like on ogryn having 420-ish hp allows u to keep shooting ur gun at an elite patrol while a couple brusiers smack ur skull in and come out just fine

but zealot has the big safety net of not dying so it doesnt really do much for me

[spice veldt]

yeah on ogryn at least your base hp is so large and the preferred toughness feat pick is flat regen

[lunar hollow]

21 toughness/sec from coherency is comedy

if ck vet didn't exist ogryn would be the best for bogged down firefights

[teal needle]

HP matters when toughness gets stripped, which is usually when things are going to shit and its time to make clutch plays in my experience

[dull saddle]

Ogryn regen is so high right now that toughness is a waste

[indigo portal]

This is something I'm really intrigued in. Like, with Ogryn for example. If you merged the two heavy attack toughness feats together you're still left with 2 very competitive options. Did they just make one of them a different branch's toughness skill? I'm super curious with how they've converted our current ones to the skill trees.

[lunar hollow]

toughness has plenty of value on ogryn if you don't play like a bitch vs shooter patrols

since your main melee regen with something like bull butcher is %-based

and coherency doesn't really matter if you're taking consistent chip damage

[spice veldt]

having enough of a buffer to reach ranged patrols before getting stunned by ranged damage to hp is also very nice

[lunar hollow]

1 toughness with 3 toughness perks + effective 36% toughness dr on ogryn is very nice

[still hearth]

What is being stunned by ranged damage

[spice veldt]

shut up zealot

[still hearth]

[lunar hollow]

yeah u get trolled on ogryn if ur toughness breaks before u reach something to smack

[teal needle]

On psyker at least i use deflector, on zealot i usually have an f for the purpose of charging range

[lunar hollow]

it makes me cry

[teal needle]

Although with shredder being what it is i usually just make range patrols disappear before they can do much

[lunar hollow]

thank god ogryn has the strongest distance-clearing ability in the game

[olive ember]

But if toughness becomes super ez to keep up why would you need more toughness

Extra health would be better

[spice veldt]

to play more aggressively

toughness gives stagger resistance so I like it

and more flat toughness will increase the amount that I regen from feats, even if my toughness is broken

also, there's a funny thing that you can do with quietitude and walking through bomber/flamer fire

[plucky flax]

All of them. 3 hp curios + 3 hp perks.

[lapis bay]

So toughness curio on psyker is the way to go?

[spice veldt]

unless you're playing super aggro, i'd just go with health

[olive ember]

Dear god toughness on psyker

The “I like getting one shot by snipers” build

[indigo portal]

Just dodge.

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/o8d1on

never 5get

[olive ember]

Meh I was rusty

I still get trapped less than you

[teal needle]

I would argue health > toughness

I guess toughness if you're having trouble dying to scabs and dregs

Otherwise health

[stable bear]

hi im back from a break trying to get my hands back for the class overhaul. is there a loose guideline for psyker meta just to get back into things quickly?

[golden frigate]

blaze void

it's the only way

[teal needle]

Illisi with slaughterer if you want a horde melee, deimos for dealing with elites and bosses. Trauma staff w the charge rate blessing and either blaze or rending blessing it's the best staff, followed by surge, followed by everything else, but folks do still enjoy and swear by purgatus. Gunker is strong w shredder or kant mk12 if you're in to that

[golden frigate]

for blaze trauma you want nexus, not flurry

[spice veldt]

purg > surge

[golden frigate]

also revolver gunker is actually decent enough to warrant a try if you like special and disabler sniping

[teal needle]

Eh they're fighting for being the middest of mid

[golden frigate]

but the only sane way to play the game is by blaze voiding spamming R-cancels everywhere at all times

even when you are walking

[spice veldt]

purg has infinite cleave and surge has a target limit

purg is mid in the context of other weapons, but in comparison to the other staffs, it's quite good

[olive ember]

Why are people recommending blaze void

[teal needle]

Purg somehow manages to kill even slower than surg on some targets. And illisi is amazing horde clear without giving anything up

[spice veldt]

yeah, if we're talking about a pure horde

[golden frigate]

purg is good when you get good enough at positioning, if you are not gunners will take your precious blue bar (on occasion, ofc)

[spice veldt]

without any melee elites mixed in

[teal needle]

Purg is only good compared to voidstrike lmao. It it's not at all good compared to any other staves

[olive ember]

Yeah surge is miles above purge

Surge is just best staff

[golden frigate]

COPEATUS USERS WHERE

[teal needle]

Like you totally can use purg on any difficulty just it really doesnt bring the thunder

[spice veldt]

not visually

but in terms of DPS, it does its job

[shadow wigeon]

Purg is excellent on everything but maels that are special heavy.

[teal needle]

Yeah just not as well as trauma and only slightly better than melee

[spice veldt]

purg has better hordeclear than trauma in most situations on account of not knocking everything around

[golden frigate]

because best staff ofc why ask

[spice veldt]

and you're also only considering pure hordes without any melee elites mixed in with regards to comparing melee

[olive ember]

Surge is the best staff what the fuck

[spice veldt]

I like the illisi and all, but it is still beholden to a cleave limit

[olive ember]

How dare you even compare that trash to surge

[golden frigate]

lmao lies

[olive ember]

SMH

[golden frigate]

man you seriously need to rethink your whole psykering

if you are NOT spamming R you are NOT playing right smh my head

[teal needle]

I only use R when my autopistol runs out of ammo after wiping an entire berserker pack in one clip

[golden frigate]

how else are you gonna farm that sweet 500 apm

[olive ember]

I've seen a lot of people saying that the surge staff isn't very strong, and oh boy are those people wrong. This thing SLAPS. Is it the highest damage staff? Probably not, but if you think it doesn't kill well at all then you're using it wrong or you aren't hitting breakpoints.

This staff wants to be charged up all the way before casting, which isn't fantastic, but that's why we pair it with the 10% faster charge time after each salvo perk, whatever tf it's called. After a few casts you're throwing out fully charged armor melting lightning bolts with basically zero charge time, and this thing is DEVASTATING. When you spec for peril resistance you can basically keep casting forever. It isn't uncommon for me to chain 15 heavy attacks from my lighting staff without needing to quell, and I'm yet to meet a horde that can take that, even on Damnation.

If you build your perks around this staff and commit to full charges you'll never need to put it away and you'll never stop casting, even at full peril.

Just saying, if you're the guy who refuses to play with Surge staff users on Damnation you don't know up from down. I am the anti-specialist and anti-elite psycher. I am battlefield control and overwatch combined. Surge staff is insanely powerful, and you might want to give it another try.

Surge staff is supreme, my beloved told me so, so fight me.

[golden frigate]

im atcually dead irl dont copypaste reddit threads ever again please

my sides

my poor sides

[teal needle]

Surge does actually kill dregs and scabs yes. It will generally kill up to its cleave limit a lot faster than purg, and it's not like you need a staff to clear hordes, mixed with elites or not

[spice veldt]

i never said that you needed it

but the illisi is not necessarily a replacement to the purg for mixed hordes

[golden frigate]

S T O P

[olive ember]

I'm sorry amigo, if you can't hard carry with a staff that will make any five enemies in the game stop what they are doing and stand there for a few seconds and take damage on top of it in the time it takes you to right click, left click, and then then R. that's the definition of a player issue. The only staff that matches it in versatility is the purgatus staff. The purgatus staff just has different enemies and situations it's weak again

If i'm running surge staff I rarely get into a situation where my whole team is dead, because I have the tools that stops all the specials that suprise wipe teams. When i am in that situation pressing my F key to push/light everything around me on fire and some slash/push with my Illsi typically gives me the breathing room to go back the dogs/trappers etc under control.

What I'm getting from this is you aren't super great at melee crowd control, and that's fine a lot of people aren't, and it's a learned skill. But that's not an issue with a surge staff. It's jsut an issue that you can kind of get around with staffs like the purgatus.

[spice veldt]

also, the surge does 33% damage to unarmoured enemies, so it's not killing dreg enemies either (besides Dreg Gunners which count as flak)

[olive ember]

You just can’t handle these takes

[languid tusk]

there are some situations where only purgatus prevents a whipe. Like when a giga horde spawns behind your team while everyone else is busy dealing with a mutant train. Happens regularly in water silo for example.

[olive ember]

Spittin straight facts here

[teal needle]

Purgatus kills at the speed of natural causes though

[golden frigate]

physically, really

im about to cry

[spice veldt]

yes, its single-target DPS is shit

I've never contested that its single-target DPS in particular was good

that's why I remarked about its infinite cleave

[golden frigate]

r cancel left click is almost decent

[digital narwhal]

I like Trauma for this reason.
It might not stop Muties like Surge, but it knocks anything else onto it's ass, does actually good damage, and it has builds for either spreading Soulblaze or Brittleness+Flurry spam.

[spice veldt]

better to get soulblaze stacks and let that do its job

[golden frigate]

again, if you are NOT spamming R you are NOT playing right

[olive ember]

Surge staff best staff

[spice veldt]

soulblaze/burn damage is approximately exponential for the first few stacks

[olive ember]

I gave you two comprehensive looks about why it’s the strongest

[golden frigate]

sure but that takes more time to clear a single lesser enemy, i think

[spice veldt]

just melee at that point

[gusty furnace]

yeah but

[golden frigate]

would test it but gotta wake up in like 5h

[gusty furnace]

I top frag without that

and I don't give myself RSI

[spice veldt]

why would you ever use purg on stragglers

[golden frigate]

we were talking about single target

[gusty furnace]

You really don't have to edge yourself THAT much

[teal needle]

Trauma does basically everything purg does but better

[gusty furnace]

60-100 peril is perfectly fine

[golden frigate]

SMH MY HEAD

[spice veldt]

if they had a high enough healthpool and weren't together with other enemies, I'd just stack soulblaze on them instead or melee them

[olive ember]

Because it’s funny

[digital narwhal]

Had someone try to tell me last night that Trauma is the worst Staff in the game.

[olive ember]

It’s not better than surge so

Accurate

[golden frigate]

you are right for tankier enemies, i wonder at what point this sentence becomes right tho, will find out for myself tomorrow

[olive ember]

Some people do actually think that

[digital narwhal]

This was after I'd stopped him from eating several Crusher overheads because this dude has the awareness of a potato

[olive ember]

Tho trauma at one point was the worst staff in game

[spice veldt]

and there's the fact that soulblaze does 1.5x damage to flak

[olive ember]

So maybe they are just outdated

[teal needle]

They are right, assuming they currently live in late 2022 somehow

[spice veldt]

it was still fine back then

[olive ember]

No it wasn’t lol

[golden frigate]

level 6 psyker talk

[teal needle]

The double cost was rough

[spice veldt]

it was still better than voidstrike

[olive ember]

Ehhhh

[digital narwhal]

45% Peril for one Secondary Fire was painful

[olive ember]

Here’s the thing The low peril of voidstrike was actually useful back then

[golden frigate]

SMH BLAZE VOID BEST STAFF SINCE DAY 1

[teal needle]

That's... still true yeah

[spice veldt]

for purely hordeclear

its weaknesses now still existed before

[digital narwhal]

Voidstrike users when Maniac

[spice veldt]

and the ridiculous peril gen of trauma was on the cast

not on the channel

[golden frigate]

just make them blue

[spice veldt]

so you could still get a cast off from 70%-ish peril

[olive ember]

Voidstrike users when anything stronger than gunner

[teal needle]

Voidstrike was better when level4 was still progression content lol

[golden frigate]

just make them blue

[digital narwhal]

Voidstrike users when Crusher Patrol

[golden frigate]

fuck

[spice veldt]

voidstrike when scab ragers (10 hitmass)

[olive ember]

If I wanted to make em blue that bad I’d just purge

[teal needle]

It isn't really until 5 when its weaknesses become glaring. And on launch psykers had shit force swords

[golden frigate]

can't make them blue from half the map away

[olive ember]

AB

[spice veldt]

the obscurus was a fine weapon as long as you stuck to a particular combo

because it still had slaughterer back then

[indigo portal]

mrw my CC staff has less cleave than my melee weapon.

[golden frigate]

void + wildfire > ab

[olive ember]

It still is a fine weapon smh

Fuck the deimos

[spice veldt]

derpy moment

[cinder moon]

which one has the glans instead of a legit sword point

[spice veldt]

deimos

[teal needle]

That's deimos lol

[olive ember]

SMH I bet you haven’t tested obscures horde clear vs deimos

[cinder moon]

i can't use it just because of how dumb it looks

[spice veldt]

neither have you

[olive ember]

Because that’s just how BIASED and UNSCIENTIFIC

[olive ember]

I have

[spice veldt]

and the difference will just be in seconds

and what are the numbers

[olive ember]

Uhhh

Idr

[spice veldt]

their normals are essentially the same

[olive ember]

But obscures was better

[spice veldt]

yeah that's what i expected from you

probably by a few seconds

[olive ember]

SMH

No

Obscures is super better

[spice veldt]

the heavy-light combo I tested on the illisi was marginally faster than its light combo

[teal needle]

Smh my head

[indigo portal]

Observe, the power of mods.

[spice veldt]

so i wouldn't be surprised if obscurus' l1->h2 had an edge over the deimos

[olive ember]

Arcotash just assuming the obscures is only slightly better than deimos

[spice veldt]

but also that edge is going to be in the single seconds

[olive ember]

Unscientific and completely biased

Almost bordering on misinformation

[cinder moon]

big F when that mod inevitably goes away and deimos is back to being the 🍆 sword again

[spice veldt]

uh huh

[indigo portal]

wdym "inevitably"?

[spice veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1140929470170144778/1146904598322352198/c1b9b57f51233c710029419c5c266a19.png

as far as we know, they're fine with it

[indigo portal]

It's not like it's gonna get nuked in 2 days or anything lol.

[olive ember]

Mods break on game update no?

[spice veldt]

and if anything, they can just remove the functionality from the game

[cinder moon]

it's fatshark's system, so if they get to actually implementing it, the mod version will probably no longer work

[indigo portal]

Mod author asked FS about the mod when he swapped it from a "add flashlight" mod to a "weapon customization" mod. Shit was approved from the beginning.

[teal needle]

When the update drops if the mod breaks you will need to spend several minutes to update it, and in those several minutes you will know shame

[olive ember]

Anyways

[teal needle]

Also the rest of us still see the wiener sword

[olive ember]

Arco go test obscures vs deimos horde clear pls and thx

[spice veldt]

no

[olive ember]

Maybe we’ll discover something new kekw

Smh

[indigo portal]

If they actually implement the weapon customization system we wouldn't need this mod in the first place. Having the ability to change stats around by swapping parts > a fully cosmetic mod.

[warped perch]

Wtf why are you all here

[olive ember]

Cuz psyker chat

[spice veldt]

to run away from you

[olive ember]

Talking about psyker stuff

[warped perch]

Arco

[spice veldt]

🏃‍♂️

[indigo portal]

No. They do not.

Unless the mod for some reason gets nuked it doesn't break during updates.

[olive ember]

🤔

[spice veldt]

depends on the mod but usually only a few at most

[olive ember]

G2k then

Maybe I’ll download mods

One day

[golden frigate]

you should download the blaze mod on your void it's pretty neat ngl

[olive ember]

Ew

[indigo portal]

I know some people say that updates break mods, but that's because they don't realize that the mods auto-disable after any update. So they reinstall the whole mod list instead of just running the mod toggle .bat again lol.

[olive ember]

Not happening especially after I spent 10k to get flurry for my voidstrike

That I don’t even use

[indigo portal]

Some mods have broke though, usually due to a content update bricking the mod. An example being the Auric missions breaking the mod that organized the mission board.

[golden frigate]

imagine enjoying low apm gaming

[teal needle]

... 10k what

[olive ember]

Plasteel

[teal needle]

Madman

[olive ember]

10/10 crafting system

[indigo portal]

10k is minor in this economy.

[golden frigate]

10k is like 2k nowadays

[cinder moon]

i would prefer attachments to be cosmetic, i don't need to be gaining sway on a helbore because i opted to use the iron sights (which i happen to like) instead of putting a 40k eotech on there

at least besides the flashlight and bayonets

[indigo portal]

That is not at all what I meant by changing stats.

[lyric burrow]

I wouldnt mind just cosmetic/sights

[cinder moon]

you didn't say blessings or perks so what else is to be assumed by stats?

[lyric burrow]

Tbf i dont think sway is a stat

[cinder moon]

stability is on the helbore

[lyric burrow]

Do helbores have stability

I forget

Ok nvm

[indigo portal]

These stats. Changing stuff like the barrel or the main body of the gun to swap certain stats.

[lyric burrow]

I thought that was just recoil?

[cinder moon]

yeah there's a stability stat you know

[indigo portal]

Stuff like the weapon special, addons like the sight and whatnot, would just be that. So like, having a different sight wouldn't change stability.

[cinder moon]

that's a road this game doesn't need to go down

imagine the snub revolver actually having no range because the snub barrel = less velocity

[lyric burrow]

I do think there should be something to swap stats around but its more likely to be part of the crafting system

And the customization to essentially just be the mod

[cinder moon]

just being able to choose a dump stat would be A+ improvement

[indigo portal]

Like for example, with you could swap the Collateral stat for a Crit Bonus one. It would scale off of the same %.

[lyric burrow]

Would there be some stats you cant change

Cause like stability/ammo would be odd to change

Damage obv

[indigo portal]

Probably just damage and range. Some weapons lack an ammo stat.

Like, there would be a baseline for the stats obv. If you swap ammo it'd just be a fixed amount based on the gun.

[lyric burrow]

Yeah thats what i figured

What would be considered fair

65?

70

70 prob high

Id say 65 max

[cinder moon]

65 seems reasonable as a floor, since that gives a "fair" amount of RNG to chase the ceiling

probably be 60 though

[lyric burrow]

Maybe slightly gun dependent

60 on plasma is bad

Although maybe thats the sacrifice for putting another damage stat on it

[indigo portal]

"fixed amount based on the gun". I'm not really in the place to determine the balance of these theoretical weapons since I can't lab them but I imagine it would be low enough to allow for an improvement of the ammo if you swap the stat to ammo.

[lyric burrow]

Autoguns scale pretty hard in my exp

Jump from 65 to 75/80 is super noticeable

Its like a full mag or 2

[harsh urchin]

All they really need is a way to upgrade stats

Like currently, theres "dropping/rolling" for weapons, through brunts and there's limited crafting via changing blessings/perks

If they added a new currency that allowed you to push a stat 2-3 points each time

That would essentially give people something new to grind for

And an end goal that wasnt so heavily rng based

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i kind of hate brunts

Better than just shop camping for a good roll in melks or the regular shop

But i dont enjoy spending 1 mil on 4 good swords that all get bricked

Esp when half could be saved if i could swap mobility and FT or something

[spice veldt]

and no pity system or whatever