psyker-class

[true lake]

and lots of good options for specials/elites to be killed with ease, even purgatus with wildfire

[idle bay]

After really long break from the game (crafting frustration) - i cam back to all "new" (for me) Psyker Penances, just in case there are changes done to them after class overhaul, and to get those extra cosmetics. And i glad to find out that even in current state game is still fun for me (unless i go into some really stressful mission).

[upper galleon]

blazing trauma is great, rending flurry is great, you can even do flurry nexus cause lmao

[idle bay]

I'd say those new penances are "autocomplete kind of penances", while i looked at one that Ogryn have - low level one - team must suck - only that way you can complete it fast (40 revives/saves). Or team must be godlike (completion with no one getting down for more than 10 seconds)....

Old Penances were ... funnier 🙂

Thankfully every psyker penance there is - is completed for me 🙂

Not to get back to do 1500 missions ( slightly less than 300 left to do).

OG Hood with googles and Monstum armor are still THE best psyker drip there is - cosmetic store for aquilas have nothing on it... after all this time

[plucky flax]

The leather jacket is maximum swag.

[idle bay]

By the Emprah! The new Trader's hat !

[fallow falcon]

What should I change sprint to, flak?

Not sure what the breakpoints are with warp charges

[vernal rock]

Does anyone know if the force swords alt attack counts as a warp attack?

[upper galleon]

yes

if it costs peril, it is a warp attack

[thick carbon]

does rampage work decently for the Duelling Swords since they're more of a single target weapon?

[fallow falcon]

They're more single target oriented, but the other blessings aren't amazing either so they can sometimes help in a horde

tbh I don't think anyone uses them outside of the V, that might change with the patch though

[thick carbon]

fair enough

and let's say you absolutely HAD to use a catachan sword... which is the best for cc?

[upper galleon]

cc doesn't matter

getting to the point you can handle hordes does so savage sweep+rampage

[lyric burrow]

horde clear is mk4 im pretty sure

[upper galleon]

yee, but dclaws still have the problem of, terrible flak damage

[untold spade]

Anything dclaw related just use 4, other ones aren't worth

[lyric burrow]

yeah its usable but not amazing

[upper galleon]

cara damage doesn't matter on psyker melee but flak damage HURTs

[untold spade]

4 is the cherry on top of a garbage pile kek

[fallow falcon]

Honestly, I wouldn't bother using a catachan until the patch

Upgrade one with good stats if you find it, but they just suck as is

[thick carbon]

fuck... I'm gonna regret doing this

[blazing echo]

But maybe only for a few days

[mellow gorge]

okay Big E

[languid tusk]

replace poxwalker damage with flak and precognition with apply soulblaze on crit ?

[slender wharf]

Alright boys just made a psyker what the actual fuck is going on

[magic hull]

dont worry i ask myself that question everytime i play psyker well

[cinder moon]

don't listen to the voices, sibling

[lyric burrow]

listen to the voices

[cinder moon]

inquisitor? yes, this one right here

[lyric burrow]

listen to them just to the point of letting them take over

makes you stronger

[broken carbon]

thats

really bad

[true lake]

i mean the base stats arent too bad, finesse could be better

blessings and perks are kinda crap though

for a crowd cleave weapon

[broken carbon]

the stats are okay

and maniac is good

but blessings should be both swapped

[lyric burrow]

yeah thats mostly usuable finesse is the only low stat

FT doesnt matter atm

youll lose out on flak/25% manaic

but the sword is good enough to be fine till you farm a better one

[true lake]

bloodthirsty could be somewhat useful but the special attack on illisi is kinda crap tbh

that and id rather have power than crit chance for something meant for clearing hordes

[spice veldt]

the special attack is the exceptional part of the illisi

if you're just using the normals, you're better off using the deimos

[true lake]

i just prefer the other force swords and their specials

doing huge damage to one target without having to rely on BB every time is just more useful

cant deny the illisi is good at what it does though, better than og force sword

[spice veldt]

the specials on the obscurus/Deimos have very mediocre DPS besides against flak

except against flak, deimos h2 will do more DPS if you're in a position to hit weakspots

[true lake]

idk i just dont like the attack pattern of illisi

[spice veldt]

fair

I prefer the obscurus' attack pattern over the illisi and deimos

[lyric burrow]

tbf illisi hits every breakpoint that deimos does

except maybe one shotting mutants but illisi might be able to do that with unstable + slaughterer up and 25% maniac

[cyan notch]

… i know? why are you randomly telling me this

[indigo portal]

You said this.

[cyan notch]

...and?

[indigo portal]

It was incorrect, Ferret gave knowledge that you implied you did not know.

[cyan notch]

what do you mean incorrect

did u even see what i was replying to when i made that statement

(no)

[indigo portal]

I was giving context as to why they told you that. This appears to be the reply you gave.

Seems relevant.

[cyan notch]

yea and u think 1 blast with a 30% chance (at best) to apply 4 stacks is gonna kill shooters?

[indigo portal]

That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said, nor what Bandit said.

[cyan notch]

oh ok so since you know what my conversation was about better than me please tell me what was "incorrect" then

[upper galleon]

30% is a lot when you have 80% blast radius

like, you can just go test it yourself

it's very straightforward how well it works

[indigo portal]

This seems to be what was incorrect. Hope that helps.

[upper galleon]

[cyan notch]

my guy the person i was replying to said 1 blast and shooters are dead

[upper galleon]

just go normal flurry rending or flurry nexus

well, dreg shooters will die

🤷

[cyan notch]

4 stacks will not die

[upper galleon]

usually the thing with psyker weapons right

is that you don't stop casting and wait for dot

[spice veldt]

2.3m epicentre and 8.4m for the outer radius at 80% blast radius

[upper galleon]

but anyways, it literally doesn't affect you and it's already proven to be viable side grade to the typical trauma build idk why you fiesty

[viral solstice]

ur all wrong. please do not normalise trauma or trauma usage. thank u. if u want to kill shooters pick the meta weapon (recon lasgun) like a normal psyker thank u

[upper galleon]

achtsuytylly the reddit tier list said revolver is the best 🤓

congrats crab u single handedly made mk3 hellbore S tier on vet

[viral solstice]

misinformation, revolver is top tier for its bash secondary not its primary fire, its NOT a ranged weapon and that tier list lost ALL credibility

[indigo portal]

I wish to skewer the creator of that post for the sake of future psykanium wizards.

[upper galleon]

the creator is fine

[viral solstice]

buff the helbore bayonet tho

[upper galleon]

imo it's the people who can't interperet data

[cyan notch]

sure then dont try to randomly dumbsplain something to me and then start add on random caveats like uhhh actually its not 1 blast errr actually u keep hitting errrr actually 30% is huge errr

[upper galleon]

why does a gun have high winrate like revolver? cause only people who know both psyker and revolver will make the 2 mix, cause BB typically takes the revolvers role

[upper galleon]

don't care

didn't ask

[cyan notch]

yea laspistol can 1 shot crushers (if u crit)(if the crusher has 1 hp)

[cyan notch]

then why reply intially then

[upper galleon]

bro just say

you hate blaze builds

and then, don't use them

[spice veldt]

you're free to slander blazing spirit trauma since I don't like it, but don't slander the trauma staff

[cyan notch]

idk this seems like your stuff

hope it works out for you

[indigo portal]

Unless the creator of that tier list has fixed it, it is a mostly meaningless tier list. It lacks the raw data, doesn't isolate melee weapons from the ranged weapon's impact, and is formatted in a way that causes confusion.

[upper galleon]

^

he could do better but likely it's just babies first tier list

people should be smart enough to look at the raw data he posted

i'm just saying if mk3 had the same playrate as shredder and bolter, it would be D tier and i think that should be obvious

[spice veldt]

lock people in a room and force them to be lectured on statistical thinking before looking at that reddit post

[cyan notch]

again reading comprehension and context knowledge 0

[indigo portal]

The correct way. The only way.

[upper galleon]

can't hear you over my soulblaze

[spice veldt]

2.3m radius epicentre and 8.4m outer radius aat 80% blast radius

[indigo portal]

Why are you still going on about this. Also tf you mean "reading comprehension" I put photos lol.

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-psyker-head-pop-gif-26182587

[spice veldt]

in what world is "1m circle" ever correct?

[brave turret]

ive taken ap statistics

its funky

[viral solstice]

im circle

[cyan notch]

well yes 1m is clearly hyperbole

[upper galleon]

it's 1m circle if you take the 8.4 m and affect it by 30% crit chance or whatever+ the blooddrunk effect dropping the range down even further

[upper galleon]

i got u sibling

[cyan notch]

dont care didnt ask

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/where-everything-is-made-up-whose-line-is-it-anyway-dont-matter-speech-gif-16818708

[brave turret]

soulblaze is so cool

its bright and pretty

[upper galleon]

it really is

shame i have to turn off bloom

so i don't burn out my retinas

[brave turret]

i wish the blazing spirits blessing made it so that when you activate your special, your sword turns into a fire sword for a few seconds tbh

[viral solstice]

thinking about it, if blazing spirit on melee weapon spread the stacks on your target in a small radius cleave irrespective that would be a really cool tweak to it

so you get a big of extra single target but also scuffed soulblaze cleave

more blaze...

[brave turret]

more fire....

i don't want to set the world on fireeeee

[viral solstice]

but i do want to set all these poxwalkers on fire

[upper galleon]

i wish blazing spirit blessing on swords was good at all

[indigo portal]

Mmmm, so you withheld the hyperbole claim until after the conflict. Instead of leading with that information to prevent an argument you instead save it for a "nuh uh" gotcha. Very cool.

[spice veldt]

illisi's special should've been soulblaze-related instead of being psword v2

and if blazing spirit didn't have that cap

[upper galleon]

if you critically push with blazing spirit it should light enemies on fire

[viral solstice]

consume soulblaze around you on activation empowering the swing

[spice veldt]

ooo

[viral solstice]

so u snort all the soulblaze

then do a turbo cleave anime slash

purg kinda ruins soulblaze as a secondary mechanic but luckily its a really interesting weapon so it makes up for jk i cant even finish this sentence

[indigo portal]

Each force sword having a different effect on special would be cool. A way to focus the Psyker's powers into a weapon beyond just raw damage. I like it being just a built in Blazing Spirit with 100% proc chance pretty much.

[cyan notch]

thats not even a nuh uh gotcha because that 1m wasnt even a relevant part of what i said so i ignored it. the point was that even a 10m radius circle blast that has a 30% chance (at best) to apply 4 stacks is not going to kill any shooters which is why i said only if theyre standing in a 1m (hyperbole) radius circle would the shooters die in 1 blast

[spice veldt]

and so that it wouldn't be able to take advantage of the 3x melee damage on some enemies

[indigo portal]

reading comprehension and context knowledge 0

[cyan notch]

dont care didnt ask

[viral solstice]

it turns out that if you want a bunch of secondary effects and synergies with a dot you can't just apply that dot to everything in front of you super fast and consistently as a case to balance around

[upper galleon]

dude can not let anything go

[indigo portal]

Yeah but magic flamethrower sword.
In all seriousness it could be a unique DoT or effect. Something else that comes to mind is a rend-like debuff applies to enemies hit that only you can benefit off of. The actual special swing being low damage high stagger. This forces you to set up a special swing then benefit off of the effect with the base attacks, creating a cycle.

[viral solstice]

i increasingly think that force swords really to have 3 blessings as a weapon feature

[viral solstice]

they get lots of cool blessings

and i want to put 3 blessings on an obscurus

why should i be stopped

I want riposte AND precog AND uncanny and it should be LEGAL

[spice veldt]

this world is not kind to us

[cyan notch]

more rng

[spice veldt]

deranged

[upper galleon]

good

rng is fun

[indigo portal]

That is certainly a thing I said. How long did it take you to dig that one up?

[cyan notch]

for a mobility finesse weapon it should make sense that riposte precog should be good on fs

[viral solstice]

my locked precog 4 knife from january sits on my psyker... waiting.......

prefrog... its time will come..... i saw the future

although i'll be frank I did perhaps envision that moment a little closer to the date i locked the knife but whatever, making predictions is hard (especially about the future)

[upper galleon]

hot take incoming

rng builds should be slightly better than flat power builds

[cyan notch]

i think they should remove dodging an attack condition for riposte and precog

instant good

[indigo portal]

Flat power builds shouldn't exist outside of talents, and RNG builds should be better than they are now.

[spice veldt]

yeah that's how it should be, though most games usually just give you the ability to get >50% crit chance for basically free which limits what they can do with it

[indigo portal]

Same take different flavor.

[spice veldt]

hopefully we won't have access to crit chance increases without some significant investment

[upper galleon]

tfw they never added offensive curios

[spice veldt]

so that they can make some fun with it

[cyan notch]

2s i just typed dumb

[upper galleon]

but tbf, if they did, so many players would take 0 defenses

[spice veldt]

maybe, though that would be a somewhat poor choice

since having the opportunities to deal damage is equally important

[indigo portal]

I typed Killer Fish from san diego

[spice veldt]

hmmm

man I really want my >2 toughness feats right now and here

[indigo portal]

With the introduction of editing base stats it might be reasonable to add offensive curios. Currently the only way we can edit our stats is with the curios, but having that be partially separate might allow for some room.

We'd still be at a strength loss compared to just running defensive curios, but having more control over what strength is actually lost would be the thing that gives some room.

[spice veldt]

and funny glass cannon builds

taunt ogryn + 3 glass cannons

[indigo portal]

50 health 50 toughness 1 stamina +50% base crit chance all offensive curios

[spice veldt]

1 stamina is 1 too many

[cyan notch]

50 base crit lol

from 5 to 50

uh huh

[indigo portal]

Yes.

[cyan notch]

fuck it why stop there i want 200% base crit

[viral solstice]

u need stam curios for the duelling sword mg1a lasgun meta that is surely coming

but ye crit is in a weird place i thonk the shark have not yet decided what they wanna do with it

[spice veldt]

i do want 0 base stamina if only to just have a single bar of stamina sitting at the center of my screen

yeah figuring what stuff to tack with crits

[cyan notch]

thats like a 2m sprint

and 1/3 of a push

[spice veldt]

and whether rng stuff should be tied to crits or some other system like haymaker is and whatnot

i guess just establishing a scope of sorts of what they want to do with crits

[viral solstice]

well its also that crit and weakspot cannibalise each others finesse bonus

[lunar hollow]

there can only be one

[spice veldt]

shlerp

[indigo portal]

Realistically you'd only need I think 30% base crit for certain weapons. The knife for example can get 72.5% crit chance rn, so you'd only need 27.5 to 40% (to cover for Riposte) base crit chance to get 100% crit chance.

The naturally high crit chance weapons have a lot of freedom, and it'll be interesting building for crit since each weapon would have a different base stat setup.

[viral solstice]

well this is the funny part

[cyan notch]

i dont think 100% crit is good for any game

[viral solstice]

knife has terrible marginal return for weakspot-> crit weakspot... on every single class other than unyielding if you have uncanny stacked

so knife headshot on mutant -> crit headshot w/o uncanny is like 3x damage or w/e and maybe 20% more with uncanny stacked

now thats what i call a damage calculation (volume 3)

without and with uncanny stacks

pensive

[spice veldt]

damn

[viral solstice]

yeah crit is completely fucked as a mechanic

for example

crits have a miniature rend to guarantee that you always get some finesse damage right

thats why even bullet weapons do some damage on carapace on crit

a graia has a 3-long crit string, so...

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1anj5bPASFGoNX/d1337nXi4jzL?invite=cr-MSxXSFgsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

huh...

[indigo portal]

Maybe so, however have you ever thought that the intrinsic value of having the raw testiculars to run 100% crit chance builds instead of having good base stats outvalues the actual viability of the crit builds in question?

[spice veldt]

crit iag is the future

bolters and helbores need not apply

[upper galleon]

nah

i've been investing stocks

[viral solstice]

crit strings need to be removed but

[upper galleon]

into kanty shotguns with flechette

[viral solstice]

[upper galleon]

on my veterans

[viral solstice]

the bleedburn shotgun

[upper galleon]

lmao crit strings,

i haven't heard that since tf2 days

[spice veldt]

and also the muzzle flash

gr8 tracking despite being blinded by the sun

[thorn tapir]

gives us a shotgun that shoots blue fire please

[spice veldt]

maybe a feat that turns all burn application to soulblaze

or well, give us shotguns in general

[thorn tapir]

yea that could be cool

[spice veldt]

my psyker arms can take it

[thorn tapir]

now that i think of it

how do we not have plasma pistol?

[indigo portal]

The fact that Hank said this and Crab is currently ripping into the flaws of crits gives me hope that one day Fatshark will make them not janky.

[thorn tapir]

seems a really common 40k weapon. like they SAY its rare and special but like 80% of IG characters can run them

[cyan notch]

fatshark hates psykers

they want u to use fake ammo laspistol

also probably too many exclusive weapons or something i dunno maybe theyre scared

[thorn tapir]

give me inferno pistol 😄

[cyan notch]

i doubt crit is gonna get fixed anytime soon probably takes a massive rebalance and will take a year

[thorn tapir]

what if fire can crit?

make it happen, crit chance and blue fire 🔥

[cyan notch]

dots generally dont crit in most games but maybe

doubt it tho

[potent echo]

Fire already sort of crits

[upper galleon]

yee purge is kinda the exception

wish it applied to flamethrower cause flamethrower crits do/used to trigger your 50% DR feat

[thorn tapir]

that's the kind of stuff i was thinking

synergizing with 'effect on crit' stuff

[young zinc]

so is Illisis considered op or is it just really strong?

[true lake]

its pretty good at cleaving, not really good for straight damage though imo

good option if your ranged option isnt a crowd clear

[young zinc]

due to how its warp attack works its fairly easy to have it always crit when using bloodthirsty

[true lake]

i just really like my slaughterer deimos

[spice veldt]

it's one of the melee weapons that need to be tuned down, so i'd categorize it as op

[young zinc]

personaly I think its horde clear being as strong as it is is fine but the special attacks effectiveness vs armor does need a nerf

[true lake]

might try out that rending trauma staff, i managed to get one built but havent tried it out yet

[thorn tapir]

me, am illisi abuser

NOOOOOO

[true lake]

yeah thats my main issue with illisi, it sucks against armor

[spice veldt]

yeah, force sword armour modifiers are too good for their own good

they need to be toned down to the rest of what the other melee weapons have

[true lake]

which i guess theoretically your bb could just handle the really bad armored enemies but eh

[spice veldt]

nerf its single-target as well

[young zinc]

like, the warp attack being super srtong against armor is by design on the other two, but the illisi shouldnt be one shotting mutants

[spice veldt]

I usually just BB crushers anyways

and illisi's special has enough cleave to hit two dreg/scab ragers and maulers

[true lake]

sometimes i use special on crushers just because it is funny

but its better to bb them with how easy they are to dodge

[spice veldt]

i do it occasionally if I have slaught stacks up

[true lake]

also ignores armor altogether so you dont have to play with the weird armor modifier system

just straight damage

[spice veldt]

BB deals 75% damage to carapace

or was it 85%

nope it's 82.5% damage to carapace

[true lake]

still more than your sword special would do

[spice veldt]

illisi's special deals 75% to cara but it's single-target is ok w/o slaught

[thorn tapir]

that honestly always felt backwards to me

[lunar hollow]

all i know is that with 100% peril and 5 charges minimum u can 2 shot crushers with bb

[thorn tapir]

bb should be a can opener

[lunar hollow]

which is pretty cool but also fucking annoying if u run kinetic barrage

[true lake]

idk why bb gets effected by armor at all tbh

it literally is effecting their brain itself

[thorn tapir]

^

[true lake]

last time i checked their brain isnt made of titanium

[indigo portal]

And it's Ogryn, BB should just bounce off of their brain.

[true lake]

i guess lol

[young zinc]

tbh I dont understand poeple who get angry at folks who use OP weapons. Now there is a line where you start invalidtating your entire team, but other than perhaps pinning fire autopistol and bolter (and even then its still a challantge to solo a mission) I dont think anything in DT right now reaches that level. It doesnt mean things dont need some tuning, I just honestly dont see how it robs other players of fun.

[true lake]

it falls into the same sort of issue vermintide has sometimes where certain weapons are just objectively required when you get to higher difficulties or use certain classes

[young zinc]

now there are things that are ceritinly annoying like misusing surge staff, but thats not exactly the same thing as being OP

[young zinc]

thats not what I was refering too but you're also not wrong

[spice veldt]

more enemies i killed = less enemies for my teammates

and for me, I feel the pressure to keep up

and also, it's possible to kill enemies faster than your teammates can catch up

though elites and specials will set the pace back

[true lake]

like playing as sienna unchained, you are pretty much forced into using the flail because it ignores shields and has an attack pattern that plays well with the style of unchained, it also is just super powerful altogether tbh

[spice veldt]

a counterfire shredder vet will invalidate ranged patrols to the point where you can have absolutely nothing to do by the time you catch up

[young zinc]

as said, autopistol and bolter do go a bit over the line, but nothing else goes that far imo

[true lake]

autopistol isnt that bad

[young zinc]

its pertty bad

[true lake]

bolter, i mean i would be disappointed if it wasnt powerful

im more annoyed with the power swords and how they are just force swords but with no downsides

[young zinc]

PS sucks against armor

[spice veldt]

eh those are the weapons that people usually refer to with respect to op-ness

"if you ignore the weapons that are blatantly op, why do people complain about the op weapons?"

your question is posed as to avoid the issue itself

[young zinc]

um, no?

more what I was refering too was folks getting mad at players for using OP things

that I dont get

[spice veldt]

PS is whatever against armour; it's ~280 damage per light-special which is still quite good

well there's the statement about people being angry and this

I just honestly dont see how it robs other players of fun.

i don't care for people who get angry about it, but I hope you can see how it does rob other players of fun

[young zinc]

at players is the key phrase there

[true lake]

i just feel power sword should have a similar buffer to how force sword gives peril

[young zinc]

I can understand being frustrated with the devs for the state of balance

[true lake]

maybe like a battery overheat mechanic or something so they cant just spam it infinitely

[spice veldt]

yeah they're just people who don't think about it as much or tend to blame the issue on the wrong people

[young zinc]

now I may disagree about how the balance should be changed, but I I do agree there is a porblem

[spice veldt]

sure, people can opt to not use those weapons, but also I do think there is a pressure to use certain weapons
something something we live in a society

[spice veldt]

yeah that'd prob me the more interesting path of tuning the psword down

[young zinc]

poeple feel pressured becuase unless your a god at the game a good 3/5 of the sandbox just isnt viable past difficulty 3

[spice veldt]

another thing that would be interesting would be running both the plasmagun and this battery-limited psword

[indigo portal]

Similar case for Flamer, even though it has it's own downsides. Mag dumping it into hordes turns you into an ammo funnel and also makes the game less engaging for others. Can be boring to be in a lobby with one.

[spice veldt]

yeah and the human-sized elites as well

it's why i really do not like overly specialized weapons, like what you see with the thunderhammer, flamethrowers, etc.

[young zinc]

eh imo those are fine

[spice veldt]

i can't speak about the thunderhammer, but I don't like the flamethrowers because infinite cleave is silly

that's the balance part, and the fun part is that you invalidate all human-sized melee enemies

[young zinc]

what about prug staff?

[spice veldt]

same thing for purg

[lunar hollow]

i dont particularly think from a gameplay standpoint you lose much from removing purg and flamer but unfortunately pandora's box has been opened

there's hardly any thinking involved in those items so i just avoid them

[spice veldt]

yeah, and like what crab remarked on, having the ability to apply an insane amount of soulblaze limits the interesting effects that you can have with it

[lunar hollow]

because all you're doing is asking yourself whether the enemies warrant being blanketed in the die in 5 seconds particle effect or not

[spice veldt]

so in terms of game design, it forces a limitation there as well

[cyan notch]

its always yes

[lunar hollow]

the flamer is probably less egregious in most ways since there is an ammo limitations but the zealot ult having ranged armor pen is so goddamn stupid

[spice veldt]

rip crushers

[haughty scarab]

Buff flamer ammo when

[cyan notch]

well they made it a feature not a bug

[lunar hollow]

never probably

[cyan notch]

[lunar hollow]

since they nerfed it

in the great psword death event

[haughty scarab]

Exactly

[young zinc]

it was always intended the game just never tells you about it

cuz FS

[spice veldt]

well we don't know if it was intended from the very start or if it was a "it's already in fuck it let's just keep it"

e.g., with the toughness DR feats remarking on "melee toughness DR" specifically but applying to both ranged and melee

[haughty scarab]

The second

[spice veldt]

i imagine it's a mix of both because of how rushed the release was

but I do lean towards the latter

[restive slate]

They mightve tried very hard to fix it but couldnt and gave up

[lunar hollow]

im ngl the one disappointment i have with skill trees already is the lack of apparent customization for chastise the wicked

[young zinc]

personaly I think it was likley intentional, at least for melee

the amor reduction spesificly

[potent echo]

Is there a leaked skill tree somewhere

[spice veldt]

yeah for melee it's reasonable to think that they just forgor to write it in

it's too whacky of a mechanic for it to just be some weird oversight

[cyan notch]

only the same zealot one theyve shown

[spice veldt]

but for ranged, it's probably a mistake

[young zinc]

personaly tho I think its fine as it allows zealot more flexibility with ranged weapons

[lyric burrow]

def op the best horde clear weapon in the game should not hit the same breakpoints as deimos lol

[lunar hollow]

tbh with a lot of these they kinda become useless if they actually do what the tooltip says

like TWBS would be so much less worth it if it was only melee stagger

[spice veldt]

true

maybe last-minute feedback and they didn't bother to change the descriptions

[cyan notch]

i think descriptions always come in last and then they fuck up the translation

[young zinc]

doesnt it say in the TWBS descrition that it makes you uninterubtable or am I misremebering

[lunar hollow]

part of the problem is they probably just defaulted to changing tooltips to fit stats instead of the other way aroundf

since the big balance changes are coming on the 4th

[spice veldt]

TWBS references melee attacks in particular

[lunar hollow]

(though theyve also fucked up a fair few more along the way)

[haughty scarab]

10/10 ability

[spice veldt]

description-itis strikes again

[lunar hollow]

the 20% movement speed thing is also

idk conceptually not the same as the stun immunity at all

and is weirdly tied into it

[haughty scarab]

Perfect flamer feat

[true lake]

not being stunned sounds pretty powerful with the right loadout

not sure on the movement speed but no stun is very useful

[lunar hollow]

like i would way rather see the 20% movespeed thing be a separate feat in the skill tree

[young zinc]

its a must pick with thunder hammer

[potent echo]

Why does flamer get interrupted and not purgatus

[true lake]

purgatus has a blessing for it and flamer doesnt

[potent echo]

No you don't need the blessings

It just straight up doesn't get interrupted

[true lake]

you still get stunned in purgatus without the blessing what

[hoary badge]

They could potentially shift ranged Chastise to be a seperate skill point

[potent echo]

No you don't, you only get interrupted while charging, not while purging

[lunar hollow]

evidently, they didn't

[young zinc]

I just hope overall the sandbox becomes usable on higher missions for folks wont dont devote thier lives to this game

[hoary badge]

Do we even know what those nodes do?

[spice veldt]

my guess is that part of the strength of our character is moving away from the weapons and into our skill tree

[true lake]

ive been interrupted while shooting the fire blast though>?

[echo cosmos]

Squares are blitzes, hexagons are ults

[spice veldt]

so i'm optimistic about crafting not having as much of an emphasis in terms of strength

and the skill tree being something that we can swap around at any time we want for free

[echo cosmos]

Grey dots are stat buffs

[haughty scarab]

Yea lemme just take all 3 ults

[true lake]

skill tree better be free

[echo cosmos]

Wdym?

[lunar hollow]

i believe iconics and ults and whatnot are mutually exclusive

[hoary badge]

For all we know that little knob below chastise could be enabling the ranged armor piercing

[spice veldt]

yeah they remarked about it being free to change in the dev blog

[true lake]

better not have to spend something to unlock nodes

[lunar hollow]

you cannot have more than 1 blitz or whatnot

[young zinc]

thank god, that was my main worry

[echo cosmos]

Only 1 of 30 skill points

[lunar hollow]

its an x2

double ult

[haughty scarab]

But.. but muh 9 grenades of 3 types

[potent echo]

Maybe only upon toughness breaking, I have been hit by countless number of ragers while purging

[lunar hollow]

there is 1 upgrade to chastise and its the 2x ult thing. unless theyve changed chastise you cannot alter it via upgrades

[potent echo]

I only ever run nexus and flurry

[true lake]

might have been toughness now that you mention it

in that case idk

[hoary badge]

I guess that makes sense but do you have sauce for that

[echo cosmos]

For that I point you to the most recent dev log (you can't)

[lunar hollow]

you can see it in the image

[haughty scarab]

I know, I'm joking

[young zinc]

as long as we still end up where the weapon and talent meta isnt so rigid on dillifuclty 4 and 5 we are able to use what we think its cool without being a grandmaster at the game im happy, be it through massive weapons changes, new really strong feats overall, or both

[lunar hollow]

the little node below it is the same chastise icon with an x2

[potent echo]

I'll test it out with creature spawner when I get the chance to next week

[true lake]

ult 2: electric boogaloo

[hoary badge]

Huh

[true lake]

pretty that is just an upgrade to the ult though not a second ult

[haughty scarab]

Ult
mini ult

[spice veldt]

yeah, and fresh lvl30s having access to most of their strength right from the getgo

[haughty scarab]

[hoary badge]

Ngl I saw that as preacher doing a squat stance

[true lake]

similar to how they briefly mentioned that one of the ults for psyker will be a front shield and an upgrade can be unlocked for a 360 degree dome shield

[haughty scarab]

Level 1's not having an ult or grenade

[echo cosmos]

Ah yes, my 3 favourite abilities:

Book, chainsword, and figure cloaked in shadow

[haughty scarab]

[echo cosmos]

2nd Chastise already exists as a level 30 feat

[potent echo]

Book

[indigo portal]

It's possible the right ult sports the ranged functionality (improved upon of course). It's also possible the other ults just have enough impact to compete.

[spice veldt]

you know, it does look like that

[true lake]

ogryns getting sillier things to throw as grenade options

you heard of grenade box, now get ready for r o c k

[echo cosmos]

Okay but Psyker Blitzes

[haughty scarab]

You tell rock stay, rock stay
good rock

[lunar hollow]

i dont particularly doubt the other ults will be strong, im just fairly disappointed in the lack of customizability for chastise

[young zinc]

please doombolt

[echo cosmos]

Brain knife, BB, and sith lightning

[spice veldt]

yeah some more customization would be nice

[true lake]

surge staff users when they give themselves even more lightning abilities

[spice veldt]

but only psykers get to be cool 😎

[indigo portal]

There's a 2nd addon at the bottom of the tree. It's the hexagon one.

[echo cosmos]

I bet Chastise will be buffed in exchange

[indigo portal]

It's possible they didn't deem the Preacher's ult costly enough to cost anything beyond 3 points as well.

[echo cosmos]

Chastise is good, but it seems the power level of everything is increasing at least a small amount

[haughty scarab]

Or changed to not just be a yolo sprint

[true lake]

tbh i really like the current zealot ult

[echo cosmos]

It isn't, its a free crit and 50% of toughness

[lunar hollow]

well i dont think it interacts with the ult in particular - all the options you can branch into have to work with any ult/blitz combination etc

[haughty scarab]

Zealots be like: YOLO BITCHES and proceed to take on 32 gunners in an open room

[echo cosmos]

That allows you to easily murder one single fucker

[lunar hollow]

my assumption is chastise is supposed to have less opportunity cost associated with it

[true lake]

charging a mutant and chopping their head off is just too fun

[spice veldt]

and ranged i-frames during the charge

[haughty scarab]

the one of 32

precisely

[lunar hollow]

so you can take it and spec more into other stuff

[lunar hollow]

dude this shit doesnt work half the time if you don't have TWBS

[spice veldt]

there are also some ult modifier options down below

[lunar hollow]

its so infuriating

[echo cosmos]

And then you can use it again once your toughness breaks

[spice veldt]

zealot L

[echo cosmos]

And you can kill the other 31

[spice veldt]

imagine not being a psyker main

[indigo portal]

Yeah it's probably just the 20% attack speed on ult skill.

[lunar hollow]

it is actually like an instant rage kinda thing

[haughty scarab]

Oh I see

[lunar hollow]

because there's like less than half a second of time between hitting F and the ult activating that it can occur

shit makes me wanna punch a wall (and i regret taking holy rev every time it happens)

[echo cosmos]

Imagine dying when a poxwalker looks at you wrong

[hoary badge]

Upon hearing of team support preacher I wondered if we'd be getting a channeled prayer like in that one gameplay trailer

[spice veldt]

my sneakers allow me to run away from the poxwalker

[echo cosmos]

Imagine your flame left click going through enemies

[spice veldt]

fresh off the line

[haughty scarab]

Healing ult

[echo cosmos]

And not doing any damage

[hoary badge]

Imagine tossing stun nade and casting soothing sunlight

[echo cosmos]

Because hitboxes don't exist

[lunar hollow]

potentially, though im curious to see how that works with the other 2 ults

[haughty scarab]

Lmao

Dark Souls is that you?

[fluid knot]

It would make sense given that they've mentioned in no uncertain terms there will be weapon balancing, if you're correct in this statement then we can expect a number of nerfs, maybe more than the obvious ones

[echo cosmos]

(this is not copium about purg primary fire what no of course not I am not mad I am completely fine and normal)

[hoary badge]

Hurrah for Miracles!

[echo cosmos]

(I don't hate it when my flame completely ignores the enemy in my face, causing me to take unnecessary damage due to bad hitboxes :) )

[haughty scarab]

Or a perk that heals allies that are in flames so you can throw flame grenade to heal allies

[fluid knot]

What do you think we are? Lasgun packs?

[echo cosmos]

Seriously when are they fixing purg primary fire

[haughty scarab]

Soon TM

[potent echo]

It's broken?

[echo cosmos]

That thing has a fire hitbox that is worse than pre Jungle Inferno pyro from tf2

And as anyone who has played TF2 before jungle inferno released knows, Pyros fire hitboxes were god awful

[potent echo]

I thought that was intentional design

[hoary badge]

Git gud

[spice veldt]

it occurs when you cancel the animation early by sprinting right

that's what i've heard before, though I don't use the purg so I can't say

[echo cosmos]

Nope, just whenever enemies are too close in my experience

[hoary badge]

Flame particles didn't line up with the visuals but the hitboxes were still generous

[echo cosmos]

Which is particularly annoying when the primary fire's high stagger is designed for such an exact situation

[potent echo]

Nah that's where you use the staff special

[echo cosmos]

Oh yea you rite

[potent echo]

I'm starting to come around to lmb purge

[echo cosmos]

I usually just use the rmb one because it is more consistent and it charges fast enough that I can

[potent echo]

It actually has insane and instant suppression

[echo cosmos]

True

I just don't like the hitboxes

And RMB is better for hordes

[potent echo]

I used to do charged rmb into shooters behind cover, now I just run up and click lmb, then switch to melee

[echo cosmos]

And building warp charges

[potent echo]

Yea I mean for general run-and-gun play style

[hoary badge]

I used to be the opposite, puff purg was my go to when leveling

[potent echo]

I do the jank sidestep slide to advance on shooters while charging rmb

[echo cosmos]

You don't mean the blessing, do you?

[potent echo]

But sometimes I think lmb might be better

[potent echo]

Nah the blessing is kind of moot when you can do sprint slide puff

And it saves stamina

[echo cosmos]

Okay good because the blessing is a curse made by nurgle to make humanity commit self disease

[hoary badge]

Imagine Run and gun reload/quelling on sprint

[potent echo]

Run and gun if it worked on RMB will be really cool tbh

[hoary badge]

I it kinda works

[true lake]

run n gun feels like such a pointless blessing

[potent echo]

They made sprint sliding the default go to movement option 🤷‍♂️

[hoary badge]

Bomb Rush Hammerfunk

[cinder moon]

i miss when we could chain slides with attacks to get around while using basically no stamina

[potent echo]

Duelling sword was so fun then

[cinder moon]

still is, i literally can't run out of stam from movement unless i just sprint it all out

[potent echo]

Yea but I don't think you can run circles around hordes during finales anymore

[plucky flax]

You can with sprint light slide.

Or just side dodges 5 times and wait for dodges to replenish and repeat.

https://youtu.be/ZpQ5HnOCyQ0

[cinder moon]

if you wait just long enough you can chain the side/back dodges infinitely

too fun

[plucky flax]

Blaming me for being alone getting plasteels (not dying) and he get ganked while together as 3.

[fluid knot]

One of the rare few people in Damnation that throw a paddy if they get fucked up

Just suck it up cupcake, happens to everyone

[tropic pollen]

are you psykers bringing duelling swords with that new fancy hat you got

[plucky flax]

Didn't buy it I don't like the veil.

I want to see my prison tattoos face.

[tropic pollen]

the veil gives it “trust me bro i’m not a gene stealer cultist” vibes

[fluid knot]

Lol, my Vet is called "Eugene Stealer"

[plucky flax]

Unsanctioned psyker.

Maybe that's why random guys are always mean to me.

[viral solstice]

oh i know that guy, but he introduced himself to me as "extremely normal human" eugene stealer

idk why he was so emphatic about that

[fluid knot]

Just dont look at his 14 fingers

[north pike]

Will this work for the trauma wildfire?

[fluid knot]

Ye, decent roll too

[north pike]

Okay, any changes to be made? Sides finding a blazing 4 I mean

[plucky flax]

Blazing spirit 4 doesn't exist (yet).

Change maniac to flak.

[vestal fulcrum]

There is no blazing 4, though

[north pike]

Oh

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s an exclusive tier 3 blessing

[north pike]

Well, I totally didn't look for it a few times

80% ftw...

Is there a better dump stat than warp resist?

[plucky flax]

You want all stats high but quell is better than resist for blaze trauma.

Your high quell will enable you to quell for 2 tick from 100% to do another full charge blast.

[north pike]

Alrighty! Thanks. I'll go practice it some in the psyk so I don't implode where people can see me fail then. Appreciated

[plucky flax]

I am blaze trauma aficionado and I can recommend wildfire also. But don't let the other guys here know you run wildfire.

[north pike]

211122?

[fluid knot]

Blaze on Void for me, but i also reccommend Wildfire

[north pike]

Actually, I'm not really sure what you mean by 2 tick?

[plucky flax]

I run 311122 if I use force sword. Or 211122 if I use duelling sword. 2 ticks is easier to understand if you use the true peril mod.

Essentially when you quell your peril will tick down in a large chunk rather than a smooth increment. But the vanilla ui does it in a smooth way (it does look better).

The mod allows you to see the real peril being meditated per tick. So with a high quell modifier you only need to do 2 ticks to get to around 70% ish from 100%, thus allow you do another full charge blast.

[empty onyx]

What's a good secondary blessing on the Mk V Dueling Sword next to Rampage? Shred, or Uncanny Strike?

Or Riposte?

[cyan notch]

i like uncanny or shred

[plucky flax]

I don't run rampage on my mk5 sword. It's uncanny and shred combo.

I only use the sword for movement and single target so rampage is useless for me.

[mossy surge]

"Disrupting hordes"

[plucky flax]

Don't care I got top frag

Name changer D:

[mossy surge]

[mossy surge]

All credits goes to Stan for the name change

[plucky flax]

[mossy surge]

[mossy surge]

So how's pubs?

[plucky flax]

Only played 2 games this morning. One on zealot was typical hab dreyko not much memes. The other was psyker and I got flamed for picking plasteels.

I was supposed to stun everything for them with my trauma staff and don't allow them to take any damage apparently.

Also I got flamed that round with holding grimoire.

"Who takes grim in difficulty 5??"

[mossy surge]

Reddit users be like

[plucky flax]

Don't play grim missions if you don't want people picking grims.

[vestal fulcrum]

I normally don’t oppose it, so long as 1) it’s consensual and 2) we are doing fine and not struggling. It mostly doesn’t matter below HiSTG, though

[plucky flax]

I am selfish in war if I see book I pick it doesn't matter the difficulty.

[mossy surge]

Monster special with grims are fun

[plucky flax]

I'll ping the 2nd grim, they can pick it if they want, but for sure I am holding onto 1.

[mossy surge]

i can be your designated 2nd grim holder in 3h

[vestal fulcrum]

I never take smelly book Melk quests

It’s too much hassle

[mossy surge]

we dont even take melk quest

we just take it for Ordos

[vestal fulcrum]

I mean, taking them without the quest is perfectly fine, but people mostly take books because they probably want to complete the quest

I QP way too often to care

[plucky flax]

I am on night shift. So can only play during day time.

Unless when there's no work at night and I go back to my room gaming.

I take books for memes.

[mossy surge]

[plucky flax]

Gonna do a hab dreyko meme now. Let's see how bad it'll get.

[cinder moon]

dueling sword and revolver

love how well it works with the holster

[plucky flax]

Was kinda fast. 21 mins but 1 guy was wasting time at the end farming kills.

[mossy surge]

https://tenor.com/view/lin006-stash-gif-18289926

[empty onyx]

I just pop or zap all single targets, so my saber is actually part of my crowd clearing. Though I'm still looking for a suitable Mk IV for that.

[plucky flax]

Not my prefered weapon for horde clear but fair enough.

[compact cargo]

You can't stop me

[grizzled jasper]

Any psyker knife enjoyers

[compact cargo]

[vestal fulcrum]

I won’t. I will tear the funny smelling book from your cold, dead hands

[bold estuary]

Does voidstrike charge attack can get 2 shots from blessing?

[still hearth]

Yes

[bold estuary]

so crit build voidstrike is vialbe?

[grand arrow]

anyone got anymore information on this ?

[cinder moon]

i thought we're still on the hat

[bold estuary]

oh damnn nice hat

[grand arrow]

cool hat

[bold estuary]

they update the shop?

dont mind me , stealing your dip

[cinder moon]

go for it lol

[mellow gorge]

It would be hilarious is psyker gets a krieg outfit before vet

[wise lodge]

there're psykers in death korps ?

[grand arrow]

of course

[fluid knot]

Better with Blazing than Surge

[wary sphinx]

Hallowette should sell Melks overcoat to psykers just to spite him

(also it looks cool I want it)

[bold estuary]

but DoT kinda low right?

[patent steeple]

crit chance, actually. from what I know, voidstrike has less crit chance at base than trauma.

[upper galleon]

You could go nexus+ surge for double strike or nexus+ blazing for soulblaze

[upper galleon]

But void strike typically goes flurry+ transfer peril to spam orbs and this is the "best" build

Since the other 2 builds eats a perk for crit chance to be more reliable

[bold estuary]

soulblaze damage so low

[upper galleon]

In fact someone said they run warp resistance (instead of warp unleashed) as well with 6 charges so they can spam

Yee soulblaze damage is, weird I recommend blazing trauma or purge staff where you can apply a lot of stacks over a large area

Then the damage starts scaling in damn+ matches

Blazing void is probably the worse crit build when you could go surge + nexus

[bold estuary]

about purge , some players go for the crit blessing , does soullbaze scale something with crit?

[cyan notch]

1 extra stack with crit

[upper galleon]

Nexus is good on purge since crits apply an extra stack and purge doesn't have good blessings

Outside of flurry and nexus

You don't want to go crit perk because 5% isn't that impactful and the 25% damage perks affect your burning damage

All the non-purge blazing blessed staffs go a crit perk with warp nexus blessing cause they rely on crits to trigger soulblaze at all

[cyan notch]

All the non-purge blazing blessed staffs

[upper galleon]

Slightly shorter than writing blazing trauma and blazing void staffs

[bold estuary]

i just want to asks to farm blessing but not want to commit much since only like 10days left to big update

refund cheese

[dawn wolf]

Is that the class update in ~2 weeks?

[bold estuary]

4/10 right ?

yea

[cyan notch]

a little less than that

[lyric burrow]

Blazing trauma feels fine but blazing void feels like ass

Its been a while and i may have built a bad one though

[upper galleon]

No you are right

Void has way less impact area and a harsh target cap

[cyan notch]

gotta min charge quell cancel macro spam it for it to be decent

[upper galleon]

Trauma is 8.4 meters circle that will ignite everything it even staggers when it crits

[bold estuary]

about void , you guys spaming small balls or big balls?

[cyan notch]

big

[vestal fulcrum]

This is target dependant, but mostly “bigger” balls

[upper galleon]

Idk, I barely use void I just helped a friend with theirs

Purge 4 life

[cyan notch]

min charge spamming only if u really need some stagger asap

other than that it does 0 damage

[upper galleon]

I kinda wanna try out that flurry transfer build

Weird not taking WU but hey if you can spam orbs non stop who cares

[cyan notch]

u can with warp unleashed

transfer peril and battle meditation do a lot

u can go positive even

[upper galleon]

Yee well, it's a feat so I can swap out for free

Someone here just said they run the warp resist feat

[cyan notch]

overkill

[thorn cedar]

Yea you don't need it

My biggest problem with Void is keeping my peril high for bonuses because its so efficient lol

It's not uncommon to start firing off at 80% into groups and ending up below 20% without ever stopping to Quell or even pressing F

It's a weird problem to have.

[fluid knot]

The base three stacks is, but Void applies 6 stacks, 3 from the intitial hit, and another 3 from the orb explosions

6 is the baseline to start really killing shit with it, throw in quell cancelling an you can shit out DoTs into a horde super fast

Sure it has less base crit than Trauma, but you can push out the orbs so fast you'll generally start generating higher DoTs much faster, however the tradeoff is that it has lower damage. That being said, its more versatile at a greater degree of ranges as the Trauma can't reach as far, even when you're looking at the ceiling

[cyan notch]

they have the same base crit

[fluid knot]

Oh they do? I thought it was different, never mind then, point to Void for DoT stack speed then for sure

Ofc, still not as fast as Purga puts them out, but much more versatile

[cyan notch]

yea same base as in they have 0 extra crit

which means just 5% from psyker

[fluid knot]

Aye, i thought Trauma had another 5%, but never mind, cheers for the correction

[cyan notch]

yeah with quell cancel spam its decent

[fluid knot]

Seems to be a critical mass dynamic, after a point with Wildfire also specc'd stuff just starts dropping dead with little effort, super fun to play

[olive ember]

5% base + 5% crit chance perk + 20% from nexus

[bold estuary]

30% not bad

[upper galleon]

Too bad psyker doesn't have a 25% bonus crit chance feat

[bold estuary]

does psyker get ghost shot like other guns use classes?

[olive ember]

Should have it

The blessings are global across weapon types

So a laspistol blessing on vet should also be accessible on a laspistol on psyker

Etc. etc.

[still hearth]

I tried Surge again since someone said you need to have warp flurry and charge it to make it work

It sure worked (poorly)

[upper galleon]

it only works vs scabs/flak

[still hearth]

I'll concede the CC is great and all that but man

[upper galleon]

rest of the case is uhh, use Illisi and BB, only use staff as backup

[still hearth]

Yeah

I ended up doing that even if I forced myself to use Surge

[upper galleon]

it's not a bad staff, if you don't use it as your primary weapon

[still hearth]

I mean I never said its bad

[upper galleon]

the only positive damage case it has is clearing scab and other flak shooters and elites

[still hearth]

I've just said its the worst out of the staffs imo

[upper galleon]

nah void is worse but that just cause void has a shit target cap

[still hearth]

Idk

I use void

And it feels great

I use Surge

And it feels awful

I also use Trama and it feels mid but maybe its the CRUNCH of Void that speaks to me

The blowing out your eardrums snapping headshot sound

Was blast radius on trauma dump stat?

[upper galleon]

oh yea void feels great

NOO

blast radius is needed on trauma

[still hearth]

It's like

0.5 m increase where you do damage

[upper galleon]

oh if you use blazing it is important

[still hearth]

Yeah but who uses blazing smh

[upper galleon]

on the normal flurry rending build it isn't as important

but you don't want to dump it too much

[still hearth]

I've already go the fire stick

[upper galleon]

like, it doesn't have a dump stat basically

you just want some trimmed off warp resistance, blast radius, and quell speed I guess

[upper galleon]

cause blazing doesn't just apply to targets you damage

it applies to targets you stagger

and it's funny

[still hearth]

Yeah but

Firestick

Go brrr

[upper galleon]

Yee

🤷

more upfront damage, less stacking. But you don't need a ton of stacks to get use out of wildfire/ascendant blaze

flurry rending probably better cause rending applies in the same massive radius (iirc)

[still zinc]

Sorry to butt in... I'm a bit confused. I love Void the most - what are you suggesting to take on the staff and for feats?

[still hearth]

Warp Flurry and the one that gives peril back on weakspot hits.

[still zinc]

I'm fairly new so some of the shorthand isn't registering with me.

[upper galleon]

warp flurry+ transfer peril

[still hearth]

I think the ideal is +25% unarmored, +25% flak. And you absolutely dump blast radius

[upper galleon]

perks 🤷 flak maniac?

any of the 25% perks that isn't infested should work better than the other trash

[vast hare]

Blast Radius is critical on Trauma. It doesn't just increase the epicenter, it increases how far away from the epicenter the damage falloff is stretched which dramatically increases the "kill" radius for most smaller enemy types. Without blast radius Trauma staff does literally nothing at all, as its damage is never good enough to effectively deal with anything heavy than a rager.

[still hearth]

Isn't the damage falloff a hard cutoff?

[vast hare]

Not that i've noticed whenever I tested it. It's harsh but it isn't instant

[still hearth]

All I noticed when I did tests was that I did a billion damage in the center and pretty much 0 outside of it

Like 500 something to the center and 50 to anyone outside of it

[vast hare]

it does stick damage a bit better slightly outside the radius. With high blast radius you can kill everything in a thin hallway and most things in a wide one- especially since poxxers like to clump around walls, corners, and vault points

[still hearth]

Quell Speed dump it is

[vast hare]

Yeah, that looks like a good splodey stick right there

[still hearth]

Actually nvm lets try this balanced power stick

RIP Hadron

Guess I'll make it my blaze stick or something

[olive ember]

Those perks tho

[cyan notch]

dont change it

id wait for oct 4

[olive ember]

I mean idk what else she would use it for

Unless unless run n gun staff somehow becomes meta

[vast hare]

It might

could be a skill tree that makes it usable

[cyan notch]

they gonna add new blessings

and uh

[still hearth]

Well

I changed it

And I can say that

Blaze kinda sucked

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[upper galleon]

blaze needs nexus and perk and even then it's only 30% chance

[soft hinge]

New psyker player here, what does warp charge do?

[olive ember]

It increases damage by 4% per charge and is used for certain abilities

[plucky flax]

Bold statement (if this is referred to blaze trauma).

[still hearth]

Yes its blaze trauma

It felt lackluster af

[cyan notch]

it do be pretty mid

[olive ember]

.>

Lies and slander

[upper galleon]

invest in stocks

my insider information says psyker will get crit bonuses

(I saw it in a dream

[olive ember]

.> idk you have some questionable takes when it comes to psyker

Like the surge staff

And blaze trauma

And wildfire

[patent steeple]

the only problems I myself have with blaze trauma are the fact that I cannot always proc it consistently, and that I cannot insta-stagger hordes with it if surrounded in melee.

both of those problems are easily fixed by just using purg, but I want to still use blaze trauma because its fun and it allows me to kill stuff at longer range without having to charge up a BB.

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma lackluster probably cos you have a really bad staff.

But fair enough I'll keep the secret to myself.

[patent steeple]

i mean, my blaze trauma has somewhere around 40% warp res, and around 65% damage (if i remember correctly)

[plucky flax]

Yeah that's quite poor I'm afraid.

[cyan notch]

30% chance (at best) to apply a measly 3 stacks is kinda eh

[patent steeple]

I mean, its still serviceable when I use it, so its enough for me...

[plucky flax]

Yeah but it's not the builds full potential.

It is very hard to get a good blaze trauma though.

So people like to slander it cos their staff is trash and don't deal enough damage.

[patent steeple]

mate, idc about reaching perfection, I just care about having something that can be recognized by others as the playstyle and not something extremely off-meta based on mistakes made by some newbie (a noob-trap, if you know what I mean).

[plucky flax]

Not that many psykers run blaze trauma anyway. Trauma is already the 2nd most unpopular staff, blaze even rarer than the bad standard rending flurry build.

So if you want to be cool and hip keep using it. Just saying it's op af

[olive ember]

Trauma isn’t that unpopular

Voidstrike is recognized as the worst pmuch everywhere

[plucky flax]

Purg most popular then surge on eu server.

[olive ember]

Even on Reddit

[plucky flax]

Then the rare trauma here and there and gun psyker. Void is very rare seen cos its truly shit.

[cyan notch]

i hope they nerf it then

since its op af

[upper galleon]

noob trap would be like

knife with weakspot crit damage

[plucky flax]

Sure if it's more popular. But it's not so they won't look at it.

Rip bolter and autopistol. Blaze trauma reigns supreme.

[cyan notch]

probably not

[plucky flax]

I also don't care for bolter and autopistol nerf if they don't touch mk2 helbore.

[olive ember]

When will my mk VId recon be good

I wanna play vet again

[cyan notch]

fake ammo gun

trash

[plucky flax]

If they separate the burn from the flamer. Let it stack like it used to be and cap flamer at 16 or whatever it is right now.

[olive ember]

Mfw burn damage was global

So stupid

I mean infernus is stil just a meme now

[soft hinge]

Is it all damage or?

[olive ember]

Yes

[soft hinge]

Also which staff does fire?

[soft hinge]

even just hitting someone with melee?

[olive ember]

Yes

[soft hinge]

ooooo

me likey, me want all da warp charges now

[olive ember]

Depends on the build

Warp charges are kinda an afterthought tbh

Because upkeeping them is annoying af

[soft hinge]

Also what staff does which?

I know one does lighting while another does fire

but no idea which does what

[olive ember]

Surge is lightning purge is flamethrower trauma is circle AOE voidstrike is bowling ball

[soft hinge]

Thank you!

[digital narwhal]

Ey, Spark'eads.
Rate this outta 10 for me?

[harsh comet]

What's the general consensus for using deflector on force swords? I feel like its not really necessary.

[digital narwhal]

It's more of a QoL Blessing; some people enjoy it to play more aggressively whilst keeping a certain veil of safety without having to solely rely on dodges n' slides, whereas it's also good for mitigating damage if you're caught in a bad spot and need to get out of there.
However, all of that can just be mitigated in of itself by playing better, ya know?

It's a good Blessing, but more of a personal preference one.

If you don't use Deflector, you're typically gonna run Unstable Power.

(Assuming you're using Slaughterer)

[plucky flax]

I like it and run it.

[bold estuary]

about dualing sword

what the hell is finesse damage?

[whole oxide]

where are you seeing it referenced?

[harsh comet]

@digital narwhal @plucky flax thanks for the insight 🙂

[bold estuary]

precognition blessing

[whole oxide]

critical & weakspot damage

[harsh urchin]

it's actually one of those things

which is actually well balanced

in this game

where you can use it if you like it

and you can not use it if you don't want to

I personally don't run it, but a lot of people do

[whole oxide]

its really mind-blowingly bad, for dualing sword you want uncanny strike, shred, or rampage

[bold estuary]

uncanny and shred seem good to me

but

there are 3

i dont know which mark is better

[whole oxide]

most people consider V best

[cinder moon]

IV has a tassle and the charms go onto the pommel though

[thick carbon]

is Focused Channelling good for purg or is the Warp Nexus/Warp Flurry combo preferable?

[olive ember]

Focused channeling is never bad but

You kinda just have to weight it against what you are giving up

In this case it would be is focused channeling better than warp flurry

Imo no but it’s up to the player

[thick carbon]

I

damn keyboard

I'm guessing it would probably be a bit better on surge since it actually stunlocks enemies

[shrewd comet]

does the purgatus cause soul blaze?

or is it just fire?

[olive ember]

It’s soulblaze

Basically think zealot flamethrower but psyker

So every tick or wte you apply direct damage and you apply a stack of soulblaze or wte

Atleast that’s my understanding of it

[shrewd comet]

oh ok so the talent that spreads soulblaze is affected by purgatus staff

thats actually really neat

[indigo portal]

Same with weapons that have Blazing Spirit. Trauma Staves with Blazing Spirit/Warp Nexus are a bit popular rn since Wildfire and Ascendant Blaze proc off of the Trauma's soulblaze.

Pretty much you can turn whole rooms blue.

[olive ember]

Wildfire bleh

[shrewd comet]

i couldnt get used to that staff lol

[olive ember]

Fucking wildfire smh

[shrewd comet]

sounds like you have a vendetta against wildfire?

[plucky flax]

It's good. :>

[olive ember]

Wildfire is a glitchy mess

If you like applying 2 stacks of burn on 20 poxwalkers it’s good I guess

Warp battery forever

[harsh urchin]

everytime i see someone unironically recommend wildfire

[olive ember]

I mean if you like spreading fire for extra charge gen and to soften enemies etc etc then fine, but I’d rather just have 2 extra stacks so my AB just kills shit

If wildfire wasn’t a buggy mess than maybe I’d like it more

Can’t spread off targets with 1 stack, can’t spread to targets with same or more stacks, can’t spread to enemies that have 4+ stack,

[harsh urchin]

yeah it's just terrible lmao

[plucky flax]

@vestal fulcrum

[whole oxide]

wildfire is good for blazing trauma without AB, it doesn't add much if you are taking AB instead of KB

same with WnR, doesn't add anything for AB/Purg, but adds alot for blazing trauma

its all about reaching the 6 stack threshold, if you can get there with AB, wildfire isn't adding anything, but if you're only getting 3 on a trauma proc, wildfire could bump you up to 5-6

[plucky flax]

Take both wildfire and ascendant blaze on purg and blaze trauma it's good.

[shrewd comet]

can someone please explain the damage breakdown for the deimos sword's special attack? when i go to inspect it, it just says charge for a more powerful attack

https://i.imgur.com/EVR0oQq.png

literally all it says

[indigo portal]

Here's the breakpoint calculator. https://dt.wartide.net/calc/
Click on the "Weapon 1", find the Deimos, then at the top of the weapon page check "special_active". Then select an enemy/armor type on the right, click through the various attacks for a damage breakdown.

[shrewd comet]

alright! thanks a bunch

[olive ember]

I can’t say anything super concrete, just know the only reason to ever use the deimos special is against crushers or like the assassination boss

Everything else just use h2

[indigo portal]

The (#) is health. Each column indicates a body hit, weakspot hit, crit body hit, and crit weakspot hit. The rows show the cleave damage falloff.

[hollow current]

it's really good with uncanny strike against crushers. Get like 4 of the 5 procs off and it stuns them for a sec allowing easy follow up light and heavy pokes.

[shrewd comet]

@olive ember i use it often on any mob that isnt part of a swarm (still learning the names for the types of mob)

[olive ember]

H2 them instead

The deimos’s 2nd heavy is stupid

Like you can one shot mutants with the thing

[shrewd comet]

oh no kidding?

huh

i guess i like using the special attack because it stuns them (the stupid net gun guys who like to run away)

[olive ember]

If you were using the obscures then the special becomes a lot more useful but

With the deimos the h2 is cracked but the special is just copy pasted from the obscures

[shrewd comet]

ahh gotcha

[olive ember]

So you’re better off just using h2, because it’s quicker with no animation lock

[shrewd comet]

so when it comes to boss type mobs like the nurgle spawn or the giant ogryn dude, is it better to spam brain burst or melee it down with heavies?

[olive ember]

Again carapace and assassination boss is like the two exceptions

[olive ember]

Uhhh honestly not sure

Psyker doesn’t have anything that’s super good against bosses iirc

BB spam is generally best but I do think if you can properly hit weak spots deimos l1->h2 combo might be more damage

[shrewd comet]

is there a boss in the meatgrinder to teest on?

[olive ember]

But again I’m not too sure

[olive ember]

You can look for mods

There is a mod that lets you spawn any enemy in the meat grinder for testing purposes

With the AI on to

[shrewd comet]

i thought mods werent a thing in this game?

[olive ember]

Check nexus mods

[hollow current]

melee plague ogryn since you can lock it in place. bb beast of nurgle and either or on chaos spawn.

[olive ember]

They are but they don’t affect the actual game

But you have UI mods, health bar mods, weapon cosmetic mod etc.

And one of em lets you spawn stuff in meat grinder to test

[vestal fulcrum]

Heresy spotted

[plucky flax]

I did tell you before.

Don't let 'em know.

[olive ember]

.> what non psyker-covenant approved opinion do you have

[plucky flax]

A level 1000+ psyker dude I know also run wildfire with purg.

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-memoji-gif-23490017

[shrewd comet]

@olive ember you familiar with vortex files n such?

[olive ember]

Nah