psyker-class

[scarlet timber]

shovel is just underrated

[plucky flax]

It's very safe to fight crushers with duelling sword.

Big dodge make you unhitable and uncanny does big damage on crushers.

[scarlet timber]

my biggest issue being

ragers

the stun duration

i feel isnt enough on our special to

do a heavy

[plucky flax]

If you can't get the timing to heavy ragers then just use staff to make it goes into stun action then heavy it.

[scarlet timber]

show me

maybe heavies on mkiv are too slow?

[plucky flax]

I only use mk5.

I don't know anything about the other 2 variants.

[scarlet timber]

really?

not a saltsypre fan?

mkiv is the cloest thing to his rapier

[scarlet timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LxhfnH2xm8

[plucky flax]

I played a lot of rapier in vt2 because of the kit behind witch hunter class (headshot bonus damage and instant kill).

Also it had range stagger with the pistol.

Mk5 is the swaggiest with overhead heavies.

[queen fog]

We love inf ammo pistol alt fire

[gusty furnace]

H-how

Dueling Swords are so bad 😭

Like, at least they're better than Cat. Combat Knife, I'll give em that.

But god I was blown away by how bad they were when i finally got around to use them

[true lake]

dueling swords are rather mid, just not enough benefits

[scarlet timber]

cuz nastalgia

simple as...

@olive ember did you say wildefire is terrible btw?

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, it has a lot of weird drawbacks

You can stack soulflame like 12 times or something

15? I dunno.

But it only transfers up to 4 stacks

transfer range is 5 meters

and you can't transfer less than 2 stacks

[plucky flax]

He doesn't even play anything other than surge.

I use wildfire with purg and blaze trauma. So op mane.

[olive ember]

Yes

So does pygex

Very bad skill

[scarlet timber]

wait you are surge user? i lost all repsect

[olive ember]

Buggy as shit

[scarlet timber]

you basically a shield ogryn for psykers then

[olive ember]

If you like tickling 20 poxwalkers for 1-2 stacks of soulblaze

Then wildfire is for you

[scarlet timber]

i see okay

[olive ember]

I use every staff

[scarlet timber]

i mean the 6 stack seems nice actually

[olive ember]

Except voidstrike

[scarlet timber]

oh yeah you did tell me its unyielding and maniac are ass XD

thats why i dont use it

so what do you run then with purge?

@olive ember

[olive ember]

Eh personally I run flak + crit

Tho maniac and unyielding are fine

Basically your choice of specialization

[scarlet timber]

whats the best on it?

[olive ember]

Literally up to your choice

[scarlet timber]

flak manaic?

[olive ember]

Flaks the important one then it’s just what you think you wanna kill faster

[scarlet timber]

maybe flak infensted?

[olive ember]

Maniac is good for specials and ragers

unyielding is for boss damage shield ogryns/reapers

crit chance is just extra damage but not as much as the specialized perks (I believe around +10% damage effectively and only matters on tankier targets since trash dies so quickly anyways)

Infested is mid imo because you already melt trash quickly af so it would only be good if you are purging pox hounds

[scarlet timber]

i see thx

@olive ember waaat

waait

i mean

blessings?

[olive ember]

Flurry nexus

I honestly forget which one is more important on purge but that’s the meta combo

[scarlet timber]

thx

[azure veldt]

Hey guys.. wondering what beat feats for a gun psyker using auto pistol?

I'm at level 25 btw

[blazing echo]

Pinning fire as a blessing and tbh your mostly set with shredder. Flak/maniac damage perks

[azure veldt]

Talents I mean

[blazing echo]

Ah

[azure veldt]

This is my pistol for now. Just running uprising and malice so I don't need to worry too much on stats

[gilded radish]

That gun is pretty good to run in damnation

[azure veldt]

I'm not there yet. Malice is still sweaty for me 😅

[spice oar]

Well grab top talent in the first row

And then the peril = dmg perk

I reccomend kinetic flayer aswell

[olive ember]

The standard build is similar to a purge build, so 3/1/1/1/1/2

I personally actually don't like how AB plays on my gun psyker build so I opt for the 3/1/2/1/3/3 build

[reef island]

this thing any good from melk as a psyker with nothing above 340 yet?

[true lake]

charge rate could be better

run n gun is crap

blazing spirit is pretty good combined with warp nexus though

[reef island]

also ive got 12k melk bucks atm

[true lake]

melk bucks lol

but yeah not the best charge rate so be careful on that

and you would need to at least swap out run n gun blessing wise

[reef island]

hmm alright

[true lake]

would probably swap out ranged crit damage on the perks, you mainly want crits on your purgatus to proc more soulblaze rather than the damage of the crit themselves

that and crit damage doesnt really do much for burn ticks

[north pike]

I have no idea what to do for deimos

[ancient quail]

new psykers in a nutshell

[primal plume]

Why do people go full cope when I tell them purgatus is bad?

[upper galleon]

Cause it isn't

[primal plume]

Yes it is

[upper galleon]

Infact it is up there with rumbler in experiencing an Auric Renaissance

[primal plume]

"Well in my super specific situation whenm literally everything is in my favor, its the best staff!"

[upper galleon]

Wildfire scales with enemy density, and you have a deimos to back you up and you still have BB

[primal plume]

imagine needing a dedicated poxwalker killer

[upper galleon]

Easy shooter clearing at short range minus shotgunners

More liek

Everything killer

[primal plume]

nope

[upper galleon]

Only staff that is bad are surge and void

[primal plume]

cope

surge is bad

lmfao

[upper galleon]

I don't need to but ok

[primal plume]

this is the smartest copeatus user

[upper galleon]

Oh boy the weapon with the only viable damage case is vs scab shooters

[primal plume]

ignoring the stun

cope

[cyan notch]

this is the darcy of psyker chat

[upper galleon]

Cc is a bait

[primal plume]

lmao

[upper galleon]

Yes I can tell I'm just playing along so they can get their kicks

Surge staff is just Illisi + KB build

[primal plume]

nah youre coping

[upper galleon]

Boo get a new line

[primal plume]

Stop coping then

[lunar hollow]

a purg user assaulted me in an alleyway

[upper galleon]

Me easily carry aurics with my purge deimos cause I know when to swap to BB and deimos and how to slide and position

[lunar hollow]

hated that staff ever since

[upper galleon]

Meanwhile the only time I truly carried as surge staff was a ranged only scab only maelstrom

[primal plume]

Yeah because its only good in narrow spaces

[upper galleon]

Cause it sucks ass

[upper galleon]

Sounds like a skill issue

[rocky cedar]

Please let's not do this again

[upper galleon]

Like void is bad unimpressively because of it's hit cap

Surge is just a cc weapon of the likes of crusher, or more like paul

Cause it does have use cases

[primal plume]

This is the smartest copatus user

[upper galleon]

But the best surge players use it as a utility and know when to not use it, focusing Illisi and KB instead

If you want a real staff Rending Flurry trauma is waiting for you

[primal plume]

Its funny how copeatus users are blind to what surge staff can do because they blind themselves everytime they use it

Fucking larper

coping larper

[upper galleon]

I have bloom off

[primal plume]

ok larper

[upper galleon]

Also I think I have more hours on surge and trauma but whatev

Keep bottom fragging

[primal plume]

im not going to talk to you because you just want to larp as some whos stupid

[upper galleon]

And bottom damaging

[upper galleon]

Wait are you that dumbfuck from general who called me a larper too for saying kindred?

I mean you can't argue but not for that reason

[olive ember]

but are you not a larper?

thats the real question

[olive ember]

who?

who could do such a thing

[upper galleon]

More so anytime real numbers are involved purge is actually great, so is blazing trauma cause of enemy density

Surge just flounders on damage and kills for CC that could annoy your teammates

[olive ember]

how fucking dare you

surge is super stronk

it just needs

15 target cap

[upper galleon]

True

[olive ember]

equalized damage so that all enemies take as much damage as flak/carapace

and then its amazing

[upper galleon]

It's up there with dclaw blending hordes

Honestly turning maulers and crushers into lightning rods would be cool asf

Honestly if I was in charge I'd tone down the CC slightly and lower the duration, then increase damage, chain range, and chain targets

[olive ember]

I mean surge is nice when it works

but

eh

[upper galleon]

And give it blazing spirit cause lightning makes fire

[olive ember]

the moment a horde shows up it gets annoying

meh blazing spirit would be mid on surge

[upper galleon]

It's best when you don't need to use it

[olive ember]

you stack fire on like 5 enemies at a time

and carapace enemies aren't even weak to soulblaze so you can't even say its good against crushers

[upper galleon]

KB, Illisi

[lunar hollow]

kid named uncanny dueling sword:

[upper galleon]

It's not about being good

It's about being cool

Like how twinstubbers should have cavalcade

[olive ember]

mfw your go to strategy is to crit twice with surge, then smack the crushers individually to stack rending

[olive ember]

I mean if you want rule of cool Pygex over there is running a revolver psyker with AB

[lunar hollow]

(and have equivalent dps to a dclaw vs them)

hell yeah

[olive ember]

and according to him he's popping off

[upper galleon]

Rip the unreleased purge staff blessing that gave it rending

Would've been unstoppable

[rocky cedar]

I love it when I'm winding up a T Hammer Heavy on a mutant and it gets stunned just out of reach

Great times

[olive ember]

simply a skill issue

hold w

thats all zealots are good for anyways

[rocky cedar]

Notice the out of range part

[olive ember]

exactly

just hold w harder

[upper galleon]

Thunderhammer heavies slow you the fuck down sadly

[rocky cedar]

You're right, my keyboard has lived a good enough life

[north pike]

What is a KB psyker ?

[upper galleon]

And it also makes us gamble to press F when we don't know if you are gonna keep stunning or let it go

[olive ember]

kinetic barrage

[upper galleon]

BB spam level 30 feat

[olive ember]

look you must simply be attuned to the mind of a surge psyker

too bad most surge psykers are dumb as rocks and surge poxwalkers but

[north pike]

Oh

[olive ember]

its what you must do

[cyan notch]

i mean if its stunned once just go and hit em

[upper galleon]

Basically "surge" builds when used at their best don't play surge, they use surge as a utility like vet nades or zealot nades

[upper galleon]

I fucking wish

[lunar hollow]

i've had situations where i was waiting for a mutie to run through a doorway and the area he was coming from was in the los of a shooter patrol

[olive ember]

well yes but the same can be said about trauma staffs

[lunar hollow]

and the surge psyker stunned him before he got out of los

and its like

bro

what the fuck are u thinking

[upper galleon]

I had them dropped right before I reach so the mutant either grabs me or runs away to an ally

[upper galleon]

Trauma is good that's the difference

It does damage, and cc

[olive ember]

well it doesn't CC as reliably as the surge staff imo

[upper galleon]

Also easily applies rending going standard flurry build

Or you can go blazing spirit

[upper galleon]

Doesn't need to when you can cast explosions

Death is the CC

[olive ember]

yeah thats assuming you kill

[cyan notch]

explosions in a 0.2m circle

[upper galleon]

True

[olive ember]

and im ngl i don't value trash kills that much except when my team is complete dogshit

[upper galleon]

Never said it was perfect

[olive ember]

but eh no one is arguing that trauma is the best staff

well some people are

[upper galleon]

Blazing applies to all enemies you stagger with it, doesn't need to be damage

[lunar hollow]

embrace the shotgunner 1-shot trauma build

[olive ember]

because some people think trauma is the worst staff

idk if stuck in the past or just

bad

[cyan notch]

its ass

aiming still shit tier

[upper galleon]

Surge is the worst staff cause used improperly

[olive ember]

well

no

[upper galleon]

Void is the worst staff cause target cap

Buff void pls fs

[olive ember]

because by that logic trauma is complete dogshit because you can throw hordes behind your teammates if used improperly

[north pike]

I like the surge and trauma. Mostly because I like Quicken

[upper galleon]

Well yes

It's knife and Paul having a kid who was raised to be a ranged weapon

[olive ember]

voidstrike needs like infinite cleave until it hits ogryn or wall or wte, surge needs increased target cap and just standardized damage

[upper galleon]

Building stupid shit and playing around their shit surge staff as their primary DPS took and wonder why teammates call them out

[olive ember]

I mean no one is using their surge staff as primary DPS

[upper galleon]

I really

Really wish you were right derpy

[olive ember]

no one i would consider decent*

[upper galleon]

I really do but I've seen some shit

[olive ember]

but I also see eviscerator + mk 12 zealots

who don't go in and just play like a vet

[upper galleon]

I dont consider anyone decent if they instantly call me names like "ur larping" dude

[olive ember]

idk this whole "purge staff is bad" thing is

weird idk where tf it came from

its been considered good since the start

[upper galleon]

Probably reddit or YouTube

[olive ember]

like its one of the few weapons that we were right about back in fucking december

[north pike]

I don't care for the purge, but it is for sure strong.

[upper galleon]

Or pre feat rework

Also it got indirectly buffed with more missions with more density

Which wildfire and purge loves

Like rumbler, it had an arc

[gusty furnace]

Amelia, are all of your characters named Amelia?

I've played with a Psyker twice with your name.

[upper galleon]

Veteran Mallava, Psyker Sarine, Ogryn Drog

[gusty furnace]

Damn.

I had a Psyker nerd out today about Try-Again Bragg, and Gaunts Ghosts in general.

Because I was on my Oggy TryAgainBragg

And their name was Amelia

[upper galleon]

Also all my names are default names besides, Drog? Which might be but I typed it out myself

Also purge doesn't suffer from the issues flamer zealot has

You have BB

You have synergizing soulblaze feats

And unlimited ammo

[cyan notch]

flamer doesnt need those

[upper galleon]

It doesnt

[cyan notch]

except for a little ammo management

[upper galleon]

But it's icing

Also flamer zealot when your team won't deal with distant bombers or snipers

Is a massive pain you cant solve, only like, delay if you wanna throw a nade

[gusty furnace]

Speaking of Zealot. Today I learned that their alternative feat to 20% melee damage, the "more ranged damage for being closer to enemies" is actually +20% damage

even though the feat tooltip says 25% damage

Also, the damage buff is between 0 and 15 meters

like Fire Frenzy/Death Spitter

[upper galleon]

EE hits some breakpoints but I love rising conviction too much

[gusty furnace]

Gives you 1800 DPS on maulers

Using the Agrippina Brauto

[upper galleon]

And there is something so, thrilling about

Seeing the blood leak from the neck stump of a heretic

[gusty furnace]

Its a viable pick if you're running Thunder Hammer is really my point.

Because Thunder Hammer just doesn't need that extra 20% damage from rising conviction.

[upper galleon]

Ehh, kanty shotgun has made flamer irrelevant

[upper galleon]

You are probably right there,

Like, it might not even help me when I'm spamming heavies on hordes

[gusty furnace]

Any other melee weapons that don't need that extra 20% damage?

Hmm. Combat Axes, currently. Might change with the new patch and how Brutal Momentum nerf goes down/if headtaker-decimator get nerfed.

But beyond that, you definitely want rising conviction.

[upper galleon]

I wouldn't notice

I never swap off RC but im a bad player melee addixt

[gusty furnace]

I mean, the other part of the equation is what weapons can actually make use of EE on zealot?

Flamer, and that's it.

Nothing else has the ammo pool to actually utilize the extra 20% damage.

[olive ember]

its why flamer needs buffs

flamer too weak

no one uses flamer anymore

also buff purge staff while you're at it

[gusty furnace]

Memes aside, the real problem is that Kantrael has infinite cleave on its special round.

It invalidates both the flamer and lawbringer shotgun.

[olive ember]

infinite cleave and infinite range

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, my bad. Can't forget infinite range.

All around the special shot is just a tadge too strong.

Not really overpowered. But it stands to be nerfed and the ammo reserve of the Kant buffed.

[olive ember]

technically speaking flamer can delete mixed hordes better but when you have an infinite range infinite cleave dragonsbreath that just strips the horde away from mixed hordes and can also hit shit like snipers without barely aiming

¯_(ツ)_/¯

don't tell the zealots I said this tho

they have some weird takes like how the flamer is still op strong and no one uses it just because its boring

[gusty furnace]

Shotguns need to be more gun and less special shell delivery.

[north pike]

But are there special voice lines for the Kant ?

[gusty furnace]

If fatshark really wants shotguns to be special shell delivery tools, they should only use their special shell.

So kantrael always fire dragonsbreath rounds

Lawbringer always shoots the manstopper rounds

Agrippina always shoots slugs

That'd be a super interesting way to go about it too.

[olive ember]

I mean I just want a shotgun that feels like a classic shotgun in a horde shooter

[gusty furnace]

Not this. . . really tedious bolt-action rifle system they came up with.

[olive ember]

as in you point and click and the horde gets turned into mince

[north pike]

Wouldn't the agri just be .. bigger revolver then?

[primal plume]

I miss when voidstrike made popcorn sounds when it hit things

[upper galleon]

It hits a revolver breakpoint I think xd

Agri has less cara damage than rev and more fall off

[upper galleon]

I'd love this so much

I'd go do scattershot flechette kanty 24/7

Not cause it's good

But because it's bad ass

[gusty furnace]

You say it like its not already

I do think its an abject failure to try and balance weapons against each other.

All fatshark needs to do is find some acceptable baseline in damnation for each weapon family

and balance them against each other internally in that family.

Something they've failed at epicly so far.

[cyan notch]

didnt know there were bolt action shotguns

[upper galleon]

They should of brought in some people with sci Fi fps experience

[willow escarp]

ripper gun

[upper galleon]

Like, las gun is good visually and sound wise but in gameplay only a handful are good

[cyan notch]

no lol

lasgun looks and sounds terrible

looks like lego

sounds like pewpew

[gusty furnace]

I mean, that's just what Fatshark has made them.

They've actually made them single-shot bolt action rifles

Like some old french rifle from World War 1

Or before.

[upper galleon]

I mean lasguns wouldn't have recoil and like

[gusty furnace]

The actual ammunition pool of shotguns should be ignored for the sake of their special rounds.

[upper galleon]

There have been much worse las guns so maybe I'm gaslighting myself

[gusty furnace]

The only one that that doesn't stand true is the lawbringer.

Because its special round is incredibly ass.

[upper galleon]

Also the flamer is just fucking

[gusty furnace]

Still really good?

[upper galleon]

Probably one of the best flamethrowers in gaming history

[gusty furnace]

But its niche has kind of been taken over?

Oh, yeah, that' too.

[upper galleon]

Oh I'm talking design and sound wise

[gusty furnace]

The only one that's better is the one from Spacehulk: Deathwing

It was the second best weapon in SHDW

The first was the Plasma Cannon

Unless you had friendly fire turned on. It would oneshot a termie friend.

[upper galleon]

Couldn't stand space hulk

[gusty furnace]

So you'd just swap to flamer instead lmfao

[upper galleon]

And refunded it

[gusty furnace]

I mean, overall, that game is really fucking bad.

[upper galleon]

Felt terrible to play

[gusty furnace]

But they nailed the flamer.

P2P connections only is the worst part.

Like, sure, it keeps the game alive, even to this day.

I could install it and find 4 open matches right now.

But 3 of them would be from Japan, and one of them would be a guy cheating.

[willow escarp]

tbh the DRG flamethrower is better imo

DT would be helped if they had more effects associated with burning enemies

[gusty furnace]

Darktide's problem with flames is that it covers enemies.

It makes it impossible to see their attack animations.

[potent echo]

Burning was a whole status with its own synergies and not just a DoT, probably contributes to the whole flamer fantasy

[true lake]

idk if anyone answered but slaughterer is easily one of the best blessings, that with warp charges makes your deimos pretty much a horde weapon too given how quickly it chews through everything

all you need is good damage, finesse, and first target

mobility is ok but not at all needed, warp resist can be low and not hurt you too much

[potent echo]

With the way the weapons are rolled you could just embrace the uncanny strike and give it unstable power for maximum crusher killing

Also +maniac to get ohko on mutants

[whole hawk]

i feel like psyker is how this game was meant to be played

i hope my builds still work in the rework..

[potent echo]

I'll immediately try a melee focused psyker if I can

[willow escarp]

yeah the temperature spread and radiance mechanics are great

[near wyvern]

You can already. Just take a force sword and start swinging.

[steel flame]

I do love me a good melee focus with a laspistol and kinetic barrage

Wish they hadn't nerfed inferus into the ground during their war on the flamer though

[azure veldt]

Last night I set up 5 psyker builds (gun, and one for each stave) - gave them appropriate icons and aesthetically agreeable cosmetics linked to the build. It made me happy.

[olive ember]

10/10 balancing

I will run a recon las veteran build one of these days

and that is the only veteran I will run

[grizzled jasper]

Recon revolver wen

[near wyvern]

@azure veldt ahh so you are a person of culture then

guess which one of mine is which

[azure veldt]

Purg. Surge. Void. Trauma. Gun.

[viscid matrix]

purge
surge
void
trauma
gun

[azure veldt]

Gmta

As a newbie, my cosmetic variation has been mediated by the cosmetics shop.

You're welcome for my contribution to keep the game alive

[languid tusk]

give every weapon a distinctive feature and make them really good at that one thing

like shotguns you want shotguns to be alt fire powerhouse ? then make them alt fire powerhouse. im talking about 1000 damage alt fire.

recons have the fast fire thing ? give them gatling gun rate of fire and high headshot multiplier so if you can score headshots they can do really well

Right now I think the guns that struggle the most are guns with poor ammo efficiency, that's just the way the ammo system works

[near wyvern]

correct

[languid tusk]

How do you play the trauma ? I tried it and found myself sticking to melee for most of the mission. I can't seem to find the right situation to use it 🤔

[feral inlet]

don't think just use it

[spice veldt]

depends

[feral inlet]

[spice veldt]

I have a melee playstyle and like to leave my trauma as just a support weapon or anti-ranged weapon

[viscid matrix]

trauma is great for the carapace and flak enemies when melee isnt enough to kill quickly

[spice veldt]

its stagger is both a blessing and a curse, so I prefer not to use it until it is absolutely needed

[languid tusk]

sooo kinda like the opposite of purgatus XD

[spice veldt]

most people prob just spam the trauma though

do whatever suits you

[crude cape]

So - been using trauma staff for a while, i have a good one ive been using and have warp flurry 4 and shattering impact 4. I know shattering impact is one of the 'meta' blessings but after a lot of play i have an issue with it, and maybe its bc i dont play with a full stack all the time who are coordinated.

Shattering impact only helps the team, but people who rock weapons that dont do good armor dmg to crushers/armored units tend to not shoot those enemies with those weapons anyway. How much is it -really- helping vs just getting warp nexus or something?

[languid tusk]

I think it helps in no ammo mode because you are more likely to get melee teammates

[spice veldt]

prob not that much value in pub matches unless you tell them about it and they're decent teammates

[crude cape]

true, and you can hit them then pull out your melee and kill them easier yourself which i do

[spice veldt]

I don't talk to my teammates or trust them, so rending shockwave doesn't have much value in my case

[crude cape]

but im not sure that works when you put the staff away

[spice veldt]

it's a debuff, so it works

[crude cape]

i just feel like it might but havent actually tested it

ok, i thought it did

[spice veldt]

though force swords have good armour mods so it's also whatever

[crude cape]

its like shattering impact on bolter is amazing bc it significantly reduces its OWN ttk

and for a while i liked the idea of having the support aspect, but the more i use the trauma the more i notice people -not- taking use of it

even if i try to tell them its like who wants to do that ya lol

[spice veldt]

e.g., force sword heavies deal 65% to carapace
40% rending means that you'll deal 65% + 14% = 79% damage to carapace, which is eh

[crude cape]

right, i can power an illy like twice and kill a crusher or close to it anyway lol

[spice veldt]

yeah they're not going to break their habits and whatnot

josho and I did consider slapping on rending shockwave on my staff so that he could do fire frenzy + inspiring barrage on his ripper next time we duo'd

but that's for a specific build in a premade

[vestal fulcrum]

SI doesn’t just help the team. It, for instance, helps with any follow-up shots, say, spamming bolter shots into a group of Crushers

[spice veldt]

die

[vestal fulcrum]

SI matters on Bolter because it has “eh” Carapace damage, but with SI any follow-up shots suddenly start dealing a lot of damage

[azure veldt]

Tbf - new skill trees cometh soon. Much theorycrafting now may be moot in 2 weeks time.

[spice veldt]

though two weeks isn't a trivially short time

I like to run focused channeling instead of rending shockwave, though focused is a blessing that requires you to change your playstyle to make use of it

so if you're not going to run focused, you might as well just run rending shockwave since the other blessings are pretty crap

[crude cape]

ya that sounds fun

[crude cape]

i was considering nexus, but forgot about focused that does sound good

[spice veldt]

crits are +15% damage so they're pretty bleh unless you're running blazing spirit as well

[crude cape]

this is my trauma, i can be flexible since shockwave is my pasted-on blessing anyway

part of me likes infested, makes quick charge clear easier but

part of me wants to roll another for maniac/flak or even carapace

to see how much it increases kill times on those

good point on the only 15% forgot that

i think i'll try focused

[potent echo]

trauma only has two damage rolls

inside circle/outside circle

at fullish charge infected should all just perish if inside circle

those outside circle take minimal damage (~20) and get staggered

just go to the training area and see what dies and what doesnt, for my staff all commons will die at 4wc

so I dont really need any perks for my staff

[spice veldt]

With a trauma staff that has…

• 58% or higher damage, you need at least 3 warp charges to one-shot Poxwalkers
• 71% or higher damage, you need at least 2 warp charges to one-shot Poxwalkers

[runic hornet]

remember when people said gunpsyker was bad

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s not, but the current skill tree doesn’t support the playstyle very well

[random summit]

OR

shredder op

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, that’s another can of worms to open

[crude cape]

you guys ever see someone so bad at melee you dont understand how its possible lol

playing malice on my lvl 20 ogryn, bc im leveling with blue stuff also im trying to get the "10 matches without going down" achieve

this lvl 80+ psyker goes down like 6 times in melee to basic zombies lol

every time i pick him up hes down with like, 4 zombies around him

one time he was waiting in the elevator why we dealt with shotgunners at end of map. he runs into elevator ahead and i see him fighting like, a smallish amount of groaners and he goes down, no elites lol

then as i pick him up he goes "this ogryn doesn't know how to play and protect his backline"

LOL like what

3 of us are together killing shotgun spawners in the final hallway

and he runs ahead to the elevator and goes down for time #6 in a malice to just groaners

i wouldn't be talking shit if he hadn't said that, did he expect me to charge ahead and stick on his ass to "protect" him from basic zombies?

has he ever heard of an illisi? haha man

some people

stats for the game, i wouldn't of even really thought much of it besdies "maybe he was drunk" or something if he didn't shit talk lol

covered names bc im not trying to shame, but like, wtf lol

dude was the highest level in the lobby

im kinda amazed i feel like its a skill to be that bad at his level and then still manage to shit talk

[potent echo]

31 is a bot right

[crude cape]

No lol

That’s the guy who was shit talking and died like 6 times

Maybe he was drunk or something but it wasn’t a bot. He even said “I think we have some new players who don’t know how these missions work” at one point. I think it was directed at me too bc I was practicing against a horde with the Billy club out of coherency for a minute rather than scanning lmao but didn’t care bc it was an easy 3

I wish I was recording lol so I coulda clipped the chat logs. That’s why I posted I wasn’t just trashing a bad player I was kinda actually amazed he was lvl 80+ in malice, performed THAT badly/died that many times…and still managed to trash talk lmao

[potent echo]

Maybe he was having a really off day

[languid tusk]

wait, rending does not bring the damage to 100% ?

whats the point of rending then ?

[spice veldt]

it does if you have 100% rending

brittleness, the debuff, only stacks up to 8 times, and you get 5% rending per stack (and thus 40% max rending)

[languid tusk]

I did not know the cap was 40% 😦

[spice veldt]

yeah, it really is quite a shame

[languid tusk]

that is super sad lol

[spice veldt]

simply build a tent in the discord to know about all of these fun™ facts

[cyan notch]

forget all you know

everything will change

rending will be meta

[bold estuary]

hey folks , what is the different between forceswords ? what is people prefer?

[fierce crest]

illisi is cleave

deimos is single target

[bold estuary]

is like 3 type right?

[spice veldt]

yeah there are 3 marks

but the Obscurus is a strictly worse Deimos, so no one talks about the obscurus

Deimos' 1st light deals 2x damage, and the 2nd heavy deals 2.5x damage
Illisi has pretty much the same special as Veteran's power sword besides minor differences in damage and cleave

[bold estuary]

oh cool cool

thx

[fierce crest]

The Obscurus and Deimos special do huge damage on the next hit, the Illisi special gives massive cleave on the next hit

[spice veldt]

the obscurus/deimos special only deal remarkable damage to Flak because of the 200% bonus to flak

[bold estuary]

so does anyone have a godlike roll sword so i can see what perks/blessing for fswords?

[lunar hollow]

these are what i use

the 2nd perk on deimos is whatever, what you're mainly looking for is 25% maniacs

some people prefer deflector or what have you over unstable power, i don't find it all that useful. first target doesn't work on the illisi special so dumping it a little is fine

[bold estuary]

so dumb stats are first target and warp resit?

about blessing i find out deflector help abit again gunners if my curios dont have reduce gunners perks

[lunar hollow]

on deimos since you should almost never really use the special for anything other than generating peril i prefer a low warp res

but with illisi you're spamming it a lot and the total damage output you get from extra warp res is way more than the benefit from feats due to having a low one

[fierce crest]

yea but

this is 79% 71%

it could 1shot poxwalkers :(

if it was just a bit better

just a bit

[lunar hollow]

you pretty much 100% of the time have some form of global damage buff

from psyker's baseline warp charges, warp unleashed, unstable power, slaughterer

[fierce crest]

oh yeah youre also talking about illisi

i misread

this is deimos

[lunar hollow]

the same still applies really. you're looking at at least 20% global damage increase when playing psyker normally unless you're running inner tranq or smth

[fierce crest]

idk if illisi can reach 300 infested damage without other stuff

[bold estuary]

i dont what to commit must for crafting since big update coming up , but these infos should help me understand base psyker weapons

[lunar hollow]

i'd probably just leave it

if i was grinding for stuff i'd just get a loadout i can use and farm plasteel/ordos until the update drops

[fierce crest]

most important thing is playstyle

deimis l1h2 very good

[lunar hollow]

because who knows where weapons land in terms of balance

[fierce crest]

illisi special very nice for horde clear

doesnt really matter what stats you have after that

[bold estuary]

yea illisi make me feels safer when shit hit the fan

[lunar hollow]

illisi is fairly overtuned. with the right build you can 1-shot muties and whatnot

https://streamable.com/1dq2fs

i expect slaughterer and other +75-100% power blessings to be nerfed generally, cuz thats obviously way too strong

[spice veldt]

you can prob reach the 300 bp with sweeping lights with warp unleashed and slaughterer

[fierce crest]

illisi heavy spam, h1 cancel spam, or h1l2 all good

and then the special is great

even on the light attack the special is great

[bold estuary]

so thx about the swords , what about staffs ?

[fierce crest]

all good at different things

[bold estuary]

i got a pretty decent staffs but i feels like i do something wrong cuz i aint deal no damage

[lunar hollow]

surge is the worst damage dealing staff vs anything that isn't flak

[bold estuary]

ahhhh

[fierce crest]

but by god it staggers the shit out of everything

[lunar hollow]

the main draw is the crowd control

[cyan notch]

surge left click dps on top

[primal plume]

It does good crit against unarmoured though

thats the tradeoff i guess

but I wish it did more damage to unarmoured because I really like lightning

[lunar hollow]

surge's crit bonus stat applies to the m1 as well which is fairly funny but also not that helpful

[spice veldt]

only a good relative bonus to unarmoured

[primal plume]

Yeah, the CC is the main reason most people use it

[spice veldt]

it's still only roughly a +100 flat damage which is in line with the other armour types

[bold estuary]

these are my other staffs

[primal plume]

after using surge for a while, i really miss being able to stagger a whole area of shooters from behind cover when not using it

[lunar hollow]

thematically im fairly annoyed they relegated lightning to crowd control and not smiting people

[primal plume]

same

it actually looks really cool too and satisfying

[lunar hollow]

ideally on purg your dump stat would be damage (it deals a pitiful amount compared to the DoT from soulblaze) and you would have warp nexus instead of run n gun

but that's not a bad staff

that trauma is very nice, shame about run n gun but you can't get too much more out of blessings if you already have flurry, since it's either flurry + whatever or warp nexus + blazing spirit

[bold estuary]

what the , dumb stats on purg is damage ? xD

[spice oar]

yeah, atleast the oct4th new smite looks to be more dmg focused

[lunar hollow]

yep! your burn stat dictates way more of how much actual damage you deal

[blazing echo]

I think..... I think she might be learning!?

[lunar hollow]

because thats what dictates how many stacks of soulblaze you apply, whereas damage is the very small amount given from the flames themselves

[fierce crest]

what does this stat mean on purg

always wondered

[lunar hollow]

it also seems more close-range oriented, which i hope will be more useful for playing aggressively/melee psyker

[lunar hollow]

@spice veldt

[spice veldt]

probably how fast soulblaze stacks are applied

[lunar hollow]

i think i know but i'll probably word it wrong

[spice veldt]

but if it is, then the number there is also completely wrong

[fierce crest]

"probably"

[lunar hollow]

i think it's the interval between soulblaze stacks but i have no actual idea what it does

[fierce crest]

i love fatshark

[spice veldt]

description-itis strikes again

[bold estuary]

man those staffs make me confuse as hell , let me just use my autopistol

[blazing echo]

Burn Damage = Burn Damage + (Burn Damage * Secondary Action Burning Intensity)?

[fierce crest]

but higher damage is lower burning intensity

[fierce crest]

but

[bold estuary]

what is voidstrike blessing and perks?

[thorn cedar]

thats the dot damage speed

[spice veldt]

oh was the first image for the damage stat

[thorn cedar]

tick of damage per X

[fierce crest]

yeah

[fierce crest]

it literally says application rate

[spice veldt]

damn i'm blind

[thorn cedar]

but not in the sense youre thinking

it is a bit ambiguous

[fierce crest]

its not

it could be wrong

but its not ambiguous

[cyan notch]

probably direct damage tick rate (the range is very small) (aint nobody got time to time that)

[spice veldt]

i timed it but i also forgot where i wrote my results down

[fierce crest]

actaully i could measure that

i forgor

[bold estuary]

does 2 shots from surge blessing work with voidstrike charge attack?

[fierce crest]

1 tick of DoT every 23 frames at 30fps

is 0.34 Secondary Action Burning Intensity

hmm

same tick speed as burn from m1

ok i think its secondary direct damage tick rate

thats harder to check cuz the dot starts ticking too

but its like every 10 frames at 30fps

[spice veldt]

there's the debuff indicator mod to check when a stack of soulblaze has been applied

[fierce crest]

which is close to 0.34/s

[spice veldt]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/137

last time I checked, i think the range of the rate at which soulblaze was applied was smaller than the description implied

either that or it's some weird esoteric calculation that is not immediately apparent by just looking at the description

[olive ember]

myeh

any news on skill trees

[thorn cedar]

yes theyre coming on the 4th

[olive ember]

I'm debating if I wanna carry around a spare set of clothes or to just wear a suit for the entire day

fml

[thorn cedar]

id carry a spare

suits suck man

also shit happens, ill walk around with a stained t-shirt but a stained suit naaaah

[cyan notch]

dont change

then u need some hangers and shit for your suit too

aint nobody got time for that

just wear it

[fierce crest]

the soulblaze applies before the damage does

guh

[spice veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/guh-gif-25116077

[fierce crest]

1 frame apart

[cyan notch]

yea thats why its hard to test

u dont know what is lagging

and the difference between the tick rate seems to be miniscule anyway

[fierce crest]

ok this time the damage and soulblaze appear on the same frame

the next tick of damage happens 9 frames after, the next stack of soulblaze is 2 frames after that

hope this helps

(i have learned nothing)

[spice veldt]

that they at least operate on different intervals and that the intuitive interpretation of their description is probably correct

i suppose

[fierce crest]

i need to test a staff with very different damage and burn stats

[cyan notch]

make a new psyker and buy some low level stuff

[fierce crest]

true

[spice veldt]

purg unlocking at level 15 😔

[fierce crest]

true

lets gooo

only took 3 attempts

welp

[thorn cedar]

im sure arco can just set his graphics up to pull 3000fps and then we'll get a solid answer

[fierce crest]

ok this ones much better

[fierce crest]

it makes no sense

i spent 100k and learned nothing

[thorn cedar]

the university experience

[fierce crest]

[languid tusk]

there's a panel from the latest chapter of the manga i'm reading that would work really well as a reaction, but I need someone to disagree with me first

[thorn cedar]

no ur wrong it wont be

[languid tusk]

ha ! it's time to settle our disagreement the old way

[thorn cedar]

lmao, what manga is this

[languid tusk]

batuque

[cyan notch]

firm batuques

[lofty temple]

Dunno if it's because I accidentally quickplayed normal Damnation or if it's because the Illisi is OP, but I just had the most zen game in a long time

[still hearth]

Yes

[near wyvern]

What makes no sense?

[fresh panther]

American college in a nutshell

[fierce crest]

ok now someone say the joke a third time

[fresh panther]

Hey I'm an American in college, you can't expect me to read anything

[near wyvern]

@fierce crest what is your question? What are you trying to find out?

[fierce crest]

🙏 thank you for your service

[fierce crest]

what the stats mean

mainly burning intensity

but also if application rate is actually true to what it says

but the ui is super inconsistent with when it displays numbers

so

we just cry

[crude cape]

it can

oh wait

i have infested on this

does that add into the values in the tooltip?

[fierce crest]

i dont think so

[fierce crest]

^

was talking about a light

deimos heavy can def 1shot poxies

but thats good to know for illisi also

[crude cape]

ah i read your comment asking about if illisi could get to 300+ infested

just wanted to show it could

i have 2 or 3 over 300 dmg infested on H1

[fierce crest]

yeah that was a mispeak

i did say illisi but i meant deimos

[strong tapir]

which one should I keep?

[crude cape]

kinda a tough choice, but the low quell speed on the 2nd is making me ehhh

i would rock 1st, change barrage for Warp Nexus, and swap crit hit dmg to either crit chance, flak, or maniac

unsure if others would agree but thats my thoughts

unyielding isnt awful, you can burn out bosses pretty well if your team doesn't have any other good bursty boss dps

its better than crit dmg at least

[strong tapir]

I was also leaning towards first because of the quell speed on 2nd, also it looks more well-rounded in terms of stat distribution

[crude cape]

ya, and it has a better perk without any changes made yet

[strong tapir]

Also, thanks for the second opinion, I'm currenty lacking sleep so I need a second voice to help me decide, and to make sure I'm still sane

[crude cape]

ideally i would rock flak/maniac or crit chance and one of the other. But unyielding honestly isn't the worst, im often like the 2nd best boss dmg class on runs as flamer next to like a good boss dmg build like the bolter

[strong tapir]

or a TH zealot

[crude cape]

well, that ones tougher bc they literally delete it in 2 swings and you dont have a lot of time to burn it haha

at least vets have to reload bolter usually at least once, and can miss some etc

[strong tapir]

thats true

and only CS is dangerous compared to the other two

[crude cape]

you can stack up a boss quickly if you're at 6 stacks, and using ascendant blaze + a full charge of the staff

or if you have time you can keep the stacks and just burn it, keeping them for the dmg

[strong tapir]

honestly coming back to Darktide and seeing that they added in chaos spawn reminds me of Peregrinaje mod runs on VT2

[crude cape]

this coming october patch im excited about

[strong tapir]

everyones brave until a spawn starts stampeding and yeeting people off the map (but I'm sure they disable instakill yeets here in Darktide)

[crude cape]

bit nervous its gonna mix up the game and all my builds so much we all gonna be starting over on our "meta" crafting but

i think it'll be overall good and exciting, something new to chase

[crude cape]

lol

i was going for the achieve for 10 games in a row without downing.....i know i have like 600 hours and still dont have it, im bad whatever

i was on game 8

spawn threw me off into instant death

literally last night

just yeeted me off the map lol

[strong tapir]

I tried doing that penance last weekend

[crude cape]

its harder than it sounds bc even hanginjg off an edge resets. join a late game thats failing? reset

[strong tapir]

I was joining my 10th run, when I loaded-in I was already downed and everyone was getting mobbed by hounds 🤦‍♂️

[crude cape]

i was at 6/10 a few days ago trying it and my teammate shot a barrel

blew me off the map

i was so mad lol

was one of the few times ive ever alt-f4'd a match early i have to admit

[crude cape]

rough

[strong tapir]

randos are the bane of penance hunting but then again, thats the fun of it

[true wedge]

One workaround could be to play in a 4-player team when working on achievements like that.

[strong tapir]

do you happen to know if the private games also spawn-in bots?

was thinking of duo-ing a private game if it doesnt include bots in it

[true wedge]

Autocorrect hates me extra hard today, it seems.

There's bots.

But you can kill them off and not rescue them.

[strong tapir]

fair enough

I'm just effing glad Darktide is actually playable now

I stopped a few weeks after release, it was disastrous

I only started playing again last week and I have to say, they should've released it in this state (or Oct 4 state)

[true wedge]

Yeah, I played veteran at first. The crosshair didn't render on my scope.

[strong tapir]

and I kept getting stuck in the elevators lol

[true wedge]

But as a casual player with a pretty powerful pc, I'm actually really enjoying where this game has been going, and while I'm a bit annoyed all of the non-premium cosmetics are a bit meh, I can't really get myself to hate that monetisation.

[strong tapir]

I think its a given, I also play Warhammer Total War, and they've been recently trying to milk the community for more bucks and lesser content.

It got review bombed recently and its currently standing in overwhelmingly negative lmao

[true wedge]

Honestly though, I can give premium cosmetics a pass.

[strong tapir]

I would, but if only that deathkorps cosmetic was attainable through penances/dockets

[true wedge]

Not happy about it, the game itself wasn't super cheap, but it's cosmetics. It's not gonna take affect your game if you don't.

It's basically the definition of nice-to-haves over need-to-haves.

[crude cape]

isn't it $30?

that is pretty cheap imo

for the level of quality this game is in terms of production/graphics etc

(but not scope)

[strong tapir]

compared to VT2, yeah, they really worked on monetizing the cosmetics shop

[crude cape]

not to dick ride, they could improve a lot in all these areas I agree

[true wedge]

I guess part of it is that I haven't been playing AAA games for like 10 years.

[crude cape]

but its not an expensive game

[strong tapir]

I remembering being so bad at launch, they had to stop making new costumes and focus on bugs because the community wasn't having any of it

[crude cape]

i mean starfield was $70 and its just fallout with some boring grey space scenery

[fluid knot]

Its certainly gotten better since release by a significant margin

[true wedge]

I'm used to getting last years game on a stream summer sale for 5 eur or less.

[crude cape]

BG3 was $60 and is one of the most incredible gaming experiences ive had in a decade, same with elden ring

[fluid knot]

Just taken an irritating amount of time to do so

[crude cape]

i would of paid $100 for both those games

and gotten my moneys worth

[true wedge]

I really should buy bg3.

[fluid knot]

AC6 is also fucking stellar if you like Fromsoft titles

Actual S tier product

[strong tapir]

I initially pirated BG3 and finished it twice, I'm buying it tonight because I looooove the game.

[willow escarp]

FS been on a roll since 2009

[crude cape]

disclaimer: bg3 is NOT bug free and has some silly and sometimes actually annoying buggy moments, but its such a deep complex game and it works so well as a whole it didn't bother me nearly as much as it typically would

[fluid knot]

Fr

Fromsoft gaming industry's MvP atm

[willow escarp]

releasing every 2-3 years too.. with dlc in between

[crude cape]

AC6 i bought, played the first boss, loved it but just haven't had time to go back

but ya, im a fromsoft dick rider FOR SURE

[willow escarp]

you check out lies of P? Pretty good for a non FS soulslike

[crude cape]

played basically all their games

and beat elden ring 2-3 times and put 500 hours into it

[fluid knot]

If you can find the time, its well worth the three playthroughs to do all the content

[crude cape]

2.5 times, 3rd playthrough i never finished and dicked around, pvp'd invaded a lot etc

[fluid knot]

Nah, i havent, i hear good things about gameplay, but i dont like the art style

[crude cape]

not yet, but looks good been watching a friend play

[strong tapir]

I only watch souls-like games, I don't have the skills nor patience to play them myself

I dabbled in Sekiro tho, but I didn't make it to chapter 3 😅

[crude cape]

you should try if you haven't

they are not nearly as hard as people pretend

[fluid knot]

Most souls-like games arent so much a skill test as a memory test

[willow escarp]

I do need to go back to AC6 too. I got to chapter 5 I think? And haven’t finished it. I blame the Darktide hyperfixation

[crude cape]

they're just real games that make you play them

and dont fully hold your hand

[strong tapir]

Yeah I SHOULD try it, now that I have decent hardware

[crude cape]

but every souls game has insane OP combos and easy ways to kill bosses once you 'figure it out'

[fluid knot]

Like you'll inevitably get beaten into the floor by a lot of the content, but its about memorising where your openings are and how to exploit them

[crude cape]

you can usually summon some sort of help too

[willow escarp]

I’ve played through every soulsborne title at least 3 times tho… and bloodborne and sekiro like 7-8 lol

[strong tapir]

I was embarassed when playing multiplayer games with friends, I would always load the slowest

[willow escarp]

or, if you’re into it, just cheesing every encounter lol

[strong tapir]

I do have thousands of hours on multiple Monster Hunter games tho

[fluid knot]

Mage gameplay be like

[willow escarp]

shh you’re not allowed to say that

[fluid knot]

Lool

[crude cape]

ya, its designed to kill you a few times until it clicks. You're not bad for taking 10+ tries to kill a boss, its normal. its supposed to be like a combat puzzle you figure out and then its super satisfying once you win

[fluid knot]

Pretty much aye

[strong tapir]

I'll probably try out AC and Elden Ring soon™, primarily interested in those

[steel flame]

Might play that when I finish my 4th playthrough of baldurs gate. God Iove mods

[strong tapir]

as well as Bloodborne, IF THEY RELEASE IT ON PC

[crude cape]

but i feel lots of people who think "im too bad at this game" are used to more modern games holding their hand A LOT

and when they die 10 tiumes on a boss they think they are playing wronug

and they get in their own head

[willow escarp]

yeah once you get used to playing them I don’t think it’s really about being “hard” and moreso that they can be very obtuse and like said, they treat you like an adult

[crude cape]

or dont have the patience maybe to push through until it clicks

[fluid knot]

That was honestly what i liked most about AC6, its much more based on reaction time an decision making vs Souls/ER, which on one hand makes it actually difficult, but on the other hand, much more rewarding

[willow escarp]

that’ll be the day

[fluid knot]

Bloodbourne remaster when Fromsoft? WHEN?!

[willow escarp]

they’ve done some rebalance to AC6 right?

[fluid knot]

Not really yet, we're awaiting a big PvP patch

[willow escarp]

I think I started losing steam when I changed my main loadout to be super lightweight with dual shotguns before I knew those were apparently broken af

[crude cape]

its not that these players ARE actually "not good enough" its a mindset, they die 5 times aren't used to a game stopping them like that and go "fuck i must suck, this isn't for me" which is totally ok if its not your thing and its not enjoyable.
but I truly feel like a lot of people that turn away from this, its more a mindset than anything, its like them getting in their own head that "im bad" and it feels bad and they don't push through the learning curve

[fluid knot]

They nerfed bosses because game journos were screaming about how hard some of them were tho

[willow escarp]

and then it was like oh balteus isn’t hard, I just needed to be fast

[crude cape]

https://tenor.com/view/search-shanique-drummond-married-to-medicine-spying-on-you-i-see-you-gif-17166890

[strong tapir]

Mine is more from a gameplay perspective, I'm used to Monster Hunter combat that I can't bother learning souls-like mechanics. Or I'm probably just lazy

but I will soon enough

[fluid knot]

A lot of it is about build, if you're equipped for the situation then most things wont give you much trouble, Balteus an the Helicopter filtered so many people though, which was pretty hilarious (those that were inflexible and refused to adapt tho)

[willow escarp]

yeah you gotta be down with the experience. I still get my shit kicked in on most playthroughs lul, every time I’ve gone through elden ring on a NG it’s like “oh yeah Margit still can make me look like a moron”

sekiro is #1 for me on pure gameplay still, but love em all

[strong tapir]

I remember being in college and we had a christmas party at a friend's house. I was oblivious to souls-like games and we had a game where everyone would take a shot everytime I died on dark souls 2

[willow escarp]

took me 155 attempts my first run to beat the final boss 😐

[strong tapir]

everyone got drunk within the hour 😆

[fluid knot]

They dont call him "Margit-gud" for nothin 😄

[crude cape]

sorry to rant,
but ya, exactly. You have to be ok with losing sometimes. Similar to darktide and the harder difficulties, it gets boring if its always a guaranteed W. I had friends who played for a bit, never wanted to push the harder missions and quit. Some came back recently and I forced people to play damnation and high shock/auric. Oh look they're having fun now even tho we lose way more than spamming heresy (which is what my bad friends wanted to do lol)
just my thoughts on these games. I had more than 1 friend who thought they were "too bad" for souls-like games and "i just play casually man"
who ended up getting elden ring and loving it once they got past the initial curve. Similar experience with me pushing some of my more "casual" friends into Damnation+ in this

[willow escarp]

yeah outside of sekiro I musta had more deaths in ds2 than anything

[fossil tinsel]

Sorry to interrupt siblings, quick question: Leveling my first psyker, I like the trauma staff and the deimos mk IV blaze sword, could someone tell me what the dump stats for those two weapons are and if those weapons are decent for damnation eventually?

Level 21 now and wanting to get free of Malice because the lack of teamwork is painful

[willow escarp]

it’s funny bc I only like the hard, gotta improve to succeed approach to action games lol. if I’m playing total war or something, meh, lemme just mindlessly steamroll the world and enjoy the power fantasy

[crude cape]

deimos dump is warp resistance or mobility, probably

[fluid knot]

This. Humans are geared to overcome significant challenges in life. Gotta push harder like

[dull osprey]

@fossil tinsel ignore it patch in 2 weeks keep stuff in reserve in case stuff changes dramatically

[willow escarp]

yeah I’d def dump warp resistance on Deimos

[strong tapir]

yep warp resist

[crude cape]

good advice but he's leveling, nothing wrong with making an ok weapon now to get him out of malice i dont think

[fallow falcon]

I WAS ON THE CUSP OF GREATNESS

[crude cape]

still 2 weeks away

[strong tapir]

you'll want that high peril to deal more damage

[willow escarp]

trauma like, a combo of quell speed and warp resist I guess? I don’t really want super low warp res on trauma tho

[fallow falcon]

wait wrong channel

Fuck psykers

[crude cape]

quell speed fairely important

tbh trauma is tough

it doesn't really have a dump stat

[willow escarp]

yeah

[fluid knot]

Quell speed is often insignificant unless you're trying to min-max to a stupid degree, the bonus' provided by it are much less significant than other stats

[crude cape]

this is mine

[willow escarp]

Yeah quell speed is the least important on trauma at least

[crude cape]

i deal with the infested bc the stats are so good otherwise lol

[willow escarp]

Warp res iirc has a more impact esp since it does build a lot of peril unlike purg

[crude cape]

yep

[plucky flax]

Hrm depend on your trauma build. For blaze trauma charge speed is more important.

[crude cape]

thats true, some peopel build the blaze trauma build i forgot

[plucky flax]

Higher, I think around 74%+ you can quell for 2 tick and do a full charge blast again.

[fluid knot]

As much as i love it now, i wonder if Void' is gonna see any buffs in patch coming

[crude cape]

i hope so

i also hope we get a new staff or 2

but im thinking probably no new weapons

and that'll be a following update

[fluid knot]

Ye, more staves would be stellar

[willow escarp]

I’d be surprised if new weapons but who knows

honestly I think it’s be better to not do new weapons now

[crude cape]

the only thing that makes me think new weapons could be coming, is bc the new trees technically mean new subclasses

[willow escarp]

they’re already doing a LOT at once

[fluid knot]

I imagine this is gonna be the skills patch for the most part an we'll see more weapons and a proper rebalance down the line

Coz christ knows we need a proper rebalance

[crude cape]

so there would have to be some new synergies and talents and stuff, feels like new weapons would fit with that

[willow escarp]

we gonna need some cleanup patches after this im sure lol

[crude cape]

ya

[fluid knot]

No fuckin doubt

Given the time they've been working on it tho, its reasonable to expect it might not be super buggy, just some stuff might need some tuning

[crude cape]

its possible its just balance changes/blessing reworks + skill trees.
then a few weeks of balancing/cleanup for things that are probably not working, or OP or whatever.
then maybe like....christmas, new years? we get another content patch with some weapons and a map?

just speculating

maybe later

[strong tapir]

I'm expecting some talents to be too powerful and get nerfed repeatedly, same goes for underperforming talents to balance everything out eventually

[fluid knot]

Yeah that doesnt seem unlikely tbh

[crude cape]

they'll probably take a vacation lol

[fluid knot]

They'll take one over xmas for sure

[crude cape]

wish i worked in sweden lol

[fluid knot]

Innit

[crude cape]

yay USA and no minimum off time law!

[fluid knot]

From what ive heard there are certainly some powerful elements, the shards are menna be really good

[fossil tinsel]

Ty for the input everyone

[willow escarp]

lol I’m US but work for a European company and yeah summers and definitely December is not much work going on

[crude cape]

god im so excited ngl. I've already done most of what this game has to offer and its still fun. can't wait until we have the equivilent of 8 new subclasses, abilities and builds to try lol

im hyped

[fluid knot]

Yeah, actual builds in DT being meaningful will be dank af

[crude cape]

im not like one of the lvl 1,000 or 1,000 hour+ chads who also hang out here, but 600+ hours since launch most of my friends think im crazy they dropped it after the first month lol

[fluid knot]

Really hoping for Wrack an Ruin to work with shards ngl

I think i got 1200 hours at this point? Not bored of the game by any stretch of the imagination, but do need a break every now an then

Mainly for AC6

[willow escarp]

I got DT on July 10 and have uh… 382hrs

[crude cape]

oh im at 720 now, not 600
but at least 100 hours has to be menu idle and mourning star time

i would think

i hang out in the menus a lot lol

[strong tapir]

I initially clocked in about 20 hours when it released then I quit, now I have close to 300 hours and I only started last week lol

[willow escarp]

yeah I have basically no afk time

[fluid knot]

It wasnt ideal that shopcamping was the optimal way of getting gear during the release window, lets be honest

[crude cape]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

ya i hated shop camping

checking melks is still a thing but much more reasonable now

[willow escarp]

you dilating time bro?

ain’t even 200hrs in a week

[crude cape]

ya lol

im confused

[dull osprey]

yeah cool check how many tide players ahve over 6-8k from the previous titles

[strong tapir]

Well, started Sept 8th, mb

[crude cape]

tide players are a different breed

do the same thing 10,000 times

[strong tapir]

but mostly afking in menus when im not playing so thats on me

[crude cape]

and still ask for more with a please

[fluid knot]

Oh yeah ofc, but you know, some of us have to work an keep the bills paid

[willow escarp]

mfw wfh

[strong tapir]

Im hoping for more enemy varieties, but not on Oct 4th

[dull osprey]

unlucky mf

[fluid knot]

Such is life fam

[dull osprey]

hey i have bills too i just dont pay them

[willow escarp]

meanwhile I just sat here for 20min waiting for a client to join this meeting. this is the literal 3rd one we’ve scheduled and they’ve not showed up every time

guess it’s time to game

[languid tusk]

i was trying to kill the helicopter with the plasma sword, switched to the bunker driver and it made the fight a walk in the park

it does like 3x the damage of the plasma sword lol

[strong tapir]

somewhere down the line I hope, want some nurglings and toads since we have sewer maps in darktide

[fluid knot]

Oh yeah pilebunker is fuckin goated

Good in PvP too if you can setup a good strike for it

[willow escarp]

fun fact the pile bunker is also a weapon in bloodborne

the stake driver

it’s like, basically the same model too lol

[languid tusk]

i saw a build on youtube with the chainsaw

oneshot pvp build

[fluid knot]

Yeah you can make it work for sure, but its hella inconsistent

[crude cape]

toads would be cool i hadn't thought of that
nurglings have been a big suggestion, would be cool if they moved in a group but were individual nurglings still, so needed aoe or precise aim I see them moving eradicly and jumping everywhere hard to hit
they swarmed someone and captured them, maybe like the vt2 netter that actually takes someone away instead of net them on the ground

[fluid knot]

Plague toad boss would be nightmarish

BoN but on chaos-roids

[crude cape]

i think they would be good as elites, and they can tounge you maybe and pull yo to them out of position (but not capture you) if you dont dodge

[fluid knot]

Literally L4D smokers

Which totally arent already trappers..

[crude cape]

lol

true

[strong tapir]

totally down with a plague toad boss

I was thinking of chaos marine too, but thats already too much for a single strike team to handle even with the arsenal lol

hence we got a scab (or was it dreg) captain to deal with instead

[crude cape]

they could easily justify a plague marine/chaos marine tbh

we already take on thousands of zombies....beasts of nurgle...daemonhosts and often mulitple of these

[fossil tinsel]

psykers are one of the few things Space Marines have to fear though

[crude cape]

a chaos marine in the lore, isn't really that much more powerful than what we already accomplish, our strike teams are already stretching the lore a tad lol

right and we have psykers and ogryns

[fresh panther]

Imagine if trappers could instant kill by dragging you off a ledge

[crude cape]

ogryns are as strong as SM

[fossil tinsel]

Aw hell no lol

[strong tapir]

two-shotting monstrosities, yeah thats def. a stretch from being canon

but hey its fun! and thats what matters

[fresh panther]

Thankfully the AI could never really pull it off

... Pun intended

[strong tapir]

always fun to have a mutant yeeting you off the cliffside of the shantee maps from the 3rd floor lol

then you land on a patrol and you get downed; your strike team kicks you for wandering off too far

feelsbadman

[fresh panther]

Classic

[fluid knot]

A little bit, but nah, a chaos marine would take out the whole squad with not much effort

[fluid knot]

Shh! Dont give them ideas 😄

[fluid knot]

Dont know that ive seen someone get kicked for that ever tbh, but then in Damnation teams work differently so that might be it

Usually its just a silent agreement that you let them die an get on with it

[strong tapir]

it was honestly not my fault, which four souls are even sane enough to run extra bursters/mutants/hounds/specialists maelstrom on auric damnation lol

[fluid knot]

You signed away "sanity" by clicking on the auric board

I love those missions tho, extra volumes of the nastiest enemies make for a proper challenge

[strong tapir]

b-but my resources

[upper galleon]

They said no CSM because of SM's usually taking over stories and making them revolve around them

tho I wouldn't mind a single deathguard

[strong tapir]

agreed, the amount of failing auric V runs I've been having are slowly diminishing as I learn how to handle situations

[fluid knot]

You get more resources for doing the Maelstrom missions, you just gotta be lucky an not roll a team that consists of one brainlet and two Zealots who dont know how to play

[fluid knot]

Yeah that'll happen, a lot of the harder content is just adjusting to the increased enemy volume an polishing up those threat priority skills

[strong tapir]

and learning how to play roles correctly

I've been mostly running surge staff as a support psyker, and it works well for most of my runs

just constantly stunning everything so everyone else can finish mobs off quickly

[blazing echo]

Tried running a couple of private games yesterday to get monstrosity award. Bots managed to steal the kill both times. Grrrr

[strong tapir]

oof thats rough

I know how that feels, I keep trying for the 20 headshot kills penance and I can't do it cause of the bots

[blazing echo]

I am really not looking forward to the Zealots challenge 😦

[burnt fjord]

im confident that 4 psykers could handle just about anything. 2 surge 2 flame, at least one specced for brain bursts