psyker-class

[gusty furnace]

the one the arbites told me not to chase

what do you even put on this

flak/carapace?

And Warp Flurry, obviously, instead of Terrifying Barrage

[feral inlet]

i'd go flak maniac but you can go whatever you want, there are no bad picks on that except the obvious ones (stamina, block, sprint, infested, ranged etc etc)

[thorn cedar]

You can just toss on crit

You don't even really need Flak tbh

5% base + 20% Warp Nexus + 20~% from Crit Bonus + another 5% is a nice beefy 50% crit chance

And crit is substantial damage

Specifically on enemies it sucks against

[spice veldt]

eh, crits are mostly for the LMB

[thorn cedar]

Surge is both

[gusty furnace]

god dammit brunt

I buy one item

ONE

and you give me this

[thorn cedar]

and idk the way i play surge i dont take it out at all if im not up against shooters or a crusher wave

[gusty furnace]

well then

Do I keep the first one

[thorn cedar]

never left clicking it really

[gusty furnace]

or just use this one

[gusty furnace]

pls

i need an outside opinon

[thorn cedar]

first one tbh

mostly cause of the perks

[gusty furnace]

yeah. . . i really need to grind up some gold

[naive sedge]

You leave the second one unmodified until after the october patch

[gusty furnace]

too late

we're all in on the first one

and here it is

the funniest dump stat staff around

[feral inlet]

nope

I am the proud owner of a 1% charge rate voidstrike

October 4th will make it the strongest staff in the game

just you wait

[gusty furnace]

I fixed my purgatus

It seems the trick is to buy a blue from brunt that already has some dogshit tier of terrifying barrage

so they physically cannot roll that blessing

[harsh urchin]

sadly looks like you're need to make another

since you deadrolled maniac dmg

[ornate hamlet]

Whats the best staff to teach yourself how to be good psycher with. The most idiot proof one ? So I can go for just one thing at a time upgrade wise till I get it done

[feral inlet]

purgatus

[willow escarp]

Purgatus

no contest

[broken carbon]

surge

[feral inlet]

hold m2 press m1

[broken carbon]

it’s super easy

[feral inlet]

repeat

[broken carbon]

just surge staff on hordes

your team will love you

[feral inlet]

don't listen to this crackhead

[broken carbon]

you’ll kill and stagger so many things

[willow escarp]

and also blow up every 5 seconds

quickest way to learn the pain of psyker

[broken carbon]

worth

[ornate hamlet]

I havent played psycher in so long lol All my staves are like 315 and lower base rating so im looking to upgrade.

Alright what about Curios ? Whats priority ?

[broken carbon]

toughness

and maybe one stamina

depends on how you play

[feral inlet]

full tough

[ornate hamlet]

Ogryn main, Then Preacher, Very agressive Vet

[feral inlet]

or tough tough health

[willow escarp]

yeah kinda preference imo. Starting out with all HP can’t go wrong

[ornate hamlet]

so im used to being agressive

[upper galleon]

tough tough HP

[feral inlet]

you'd make a good melee psyker then

[broken carbon]

don’t listen to dawn he’s really bad at the game (he’s a million times better than i am)

[feral inlet]

go tough tough health

[upper galleon]

HP gives you a breakpoint with bursters and your wound or something

[willow escarp]

I’ve never run toughness in psyker, you guys like that?

[upper galleon]

yea toughness OP

[willow escarp]

figured KD woulda made it not as important

[upper galleon]

you can get toughness DR, and your level 5 feat scales off your max toughness

the only class I don't stack toughness on is ogryn, but that's cause HP funny

[feral inlet]

I prefer to run tough on psyker because I play him as backline specialist killer

or I run purgatus and melt anything that's close range

Avoids chip dmg

[upper galleon]

ehh, i think vet and psyker can't be like zealot, and run pure toughness, at least not in auric damn

1 hp 2 toughness is what i run on both vet and psyker and it works great

[feral inlet]

I run 2tough1health on psyker with

+tough +health +sniper

on zealot 2hp1tough

on ogryn 3tough, vet 3tough

[upper galleon]

plus you (if you do your curios) I do minor perks being tough health, 2 gunner, 1 sniper

ehh zealot i all in on toughness

it works extremely well with your F and Enemies within

[feral inlet]

full tough zealot is for bitches

[upper galleon]

cause EWEW tooltip lies, it's 8% of your max toughness every second

[ornate hamlet]

What should I do to make this even serviceable (I have no blessings learned on psycher yet so ill just be upgrading out of it asap. )

[upper galleon]

damn call me bitches then

[upper galleon]

stam to flak

and you're set

[feral inlet]

stamina to maniac

warp nexus 3 to 4 if you have it

[upper galleon]

you could change crit chance to maniac or carapace but it's not the worst weapon to have crit chance on

no blessings

[ornate hamlet]

I have no blessings yet learned 😦

[upper galleon]

pretty sure flak hits breakpoints on your chains to scab shooters

which is pretty important to handle on surge staff

[ornate hamlet]

With that warp nexus im going to keep the crit chance and only change one . If flac pops Shooters faster ill grab that

[upper galleon]

also like, surge doesnt do that much damage to any maniac besides, scabs, which are flak anyways

it's more for the stun vs them

giving you time to BB, melee, let someone else kill it, or just stunlock it to death

[ornate hamlet]

So , My guess is the way to do things (im running a high peril build right now) Is position at the back of the team and stun and headpop specials ?

[spice veldt]

stay at the back if need be

I'd personally treat a surge build as a melee build

[upper galleon]

yep

Melee, melee melee.

basically, surge build isn't a surge build, it's an illisi build

[broken carbon]

it’s all an illisi build

[ornate hamlet]

Hmmm using....I forget the name of the sword but its the one that has the thrust charge attack

the force sword that is

Deimos thats it

[upper galleon]

yee deimos ain't bad either

[ornate hamlet]

whats special about Illsi that you would put its name on a build

[upper galleon]

it's special is the cleaving special

[ornate hamlet]

Oh hmm id probably like that one better since Im used to Ogryn

[upper galleon]

yee it's just,

activate, h1 activate h1

in a horde with warp absorption and your in build battle meditation you can just spam it

[gusty furnace]

hmm

do I keep this around

or just eat it for executor

nomnomnom

[broken carbon]

executor is bad

weakspot for maniac

executor for deflector

or unstable power

and it’d be a workable weapon

[gusty furnace]

Ah, I already have the funee psyker sword

Its just nice to have multiples of things lying around

[broken carbon]

fair

[gusty furnace]

I decided to eat it for the sticker book

[broken carbon]

executor is really weak though

[gusty furnace]

nomnomnom

[broken carbon]

because it resets if you miss a head

which’ll happen inevitably in a horde

[royal wraith]

deflector

[gusty furnace]

It also stacks multiple times in one swing

[broken carbon]

true

[spice veldt]

horde is a scenario where you'll probably hit a head in a horde

[gusty furnace]

So you can lose it, gain it, lose it, gain it

over and over

[broken carbon]

but most things will probably be dead without it

[spice veldt]

the main downside to executor on illisi is the fact that you drop stacks on special activation

[broken carbon]

slaughterer would kill everything with or without exec stacks

[gusty furnace]

I don't really understand whats so kekw about deflector

Its a great blessing

[broken carbon]

idk

[gusty furnace]

Unless you're just being a bait fish to rile up a chat

[broken carbon]

weirdos

[gusty furnace]

they pop up occasionally

[royal wraith]

why would you need it on psyker though

if you wanna tank play gryn

[gusty furnace]

Pretty sure its gonna get nerfed oct4

[spice veldt]

except the force swords are way better at offense than the slab shield?

[gusty furnace]

It uh

isn't really used for standing still

[spice veldt]

and the competing blessings with deflector are pretty mediocre

[broken carbon]

hopefully

[royal wraith]

oh, yea sure, but still whats the point

[broken carbon]

and pinning fire

please

[gusty furnace]

You can dodge into enemies while blocking

So you dodge into the shooter group

[spice veldt]

more ranged safety

[gusty furnace]

and murder them

[royal wraith]

ive never been in a situation where i was like "man i really wish i had deflector rn"

[broken carbon]

i have

[royal wraith]

skill issue perhaps

[gusty furnace]

The other one is also, what the fuck else are you gonna put there, Unstable Power?

Also, yeah, Carnaby is a bait fish

ez block

There will be no intelligent discussion had with a sea-based creature

[spice veldt]

fly like an eagle, strike like a hawk (secret OP technique) https://streamable.com/kvwj4k

[royal wraith]

i use exorcist for the most part

laugh if you want but works for me

[upper galleon]

i barely even heard of that blessing

wtf does it do

OH it's the quelling one

[royal wraith]

5% quelling on weakspot hit

[upper galleon]

ehh

[royal wraith]

ye

[spice veldt]

i mean blessings are also what you make of them

deflector is one of those things that allow you to do different things

[upper galleon]

don't need it, maybe after the class update

[spice veldt]

hopefully they'll buff exorcist

[upper galleon]

peril scales your damage most of the time so you don't want to lose more than what battle mediation exists

[spice veldt]

exorcist has been so fucked throughout the game lmao

[royal wraith]

like, i used to really like deflector, ngl

[broken carbon]

i just want every blessing to be equally viable

[gusty furnace]

a fellow potato graphics enjoyer

[broken carbon]

isn’t it’s only noticeable use on voidstrike?

[upper galleon]

like, why run exorcist, when unstable power? Simply becoming the edge master

[royal wraith]

but as said if you get yourself into a position where you need to tank ranked units, i feel like thats mostly mispositioning

[spice veldt]

early on, passive quelling for non-force weapons was so good and only the obscurus existed

[gusty furnace]

tfw precognition

[spice veldt]

then they buffed quelling in general

[royal wraith]

works well with the t4 perk ofc

[spice veldt]

yeah, though it's arguably better on the voidstrike because it doesn't have the repeated condition

I think both transfer peril and exorcist have the problem of being unable to proc multiple times in a single attack

[upper galleon]

not my screenshot but i saw a scoreboard of a player who had precog riposte knife with crit dam and crit chance perks

[gusty furnace]

If it said "+100%"

it'd be an interesting build

[spice veldt]

or if you intentionally do this to make use of it

[gusty furnace]

dodge and lay down the hate

Whats funny is that you can't buff crit damage that is the same as regular damage

[broken carbon]

(and if the percentages were calculated properly)

[upper galleon]

he was bottom fragging

[royal wraith]

again, why do that with the glass cannon class

[gusty furnace]

Like the electro staff

Surge?

[upper galleon]

psyker isn't a glass cannon

[spice veldt]

in what world is psyker a glass cannon

[thorn cedar]

i feel like you just answered your own question though

[gusty furnace]

You can't buff critical hit damage on carapace

[upper galleon]

more like a saint ruperts drop cannon

[royal wraith]

its the most glass cannon there is in the game so yes, it is

[gusty furnace]

because its the same as regular damage

[spice veldt]

alright, where's the cannon part

[royal wraith]

its durable still but the squishiest one

[upper galleon]

if you fuck up, you will go down the fastest, but you have a ton of room for error with your block

[spice veldt]

also, infinite dodges provide a lot of survivability

[gusty furnace]

I'll have you know, I do 350k damage and 350k overkill damage by BBing everything

[broken carbon]

low health doesn’t equal glass cannon

[spice veldt]

psyker has a lot of active defense

[gusty furnace]

I am the bestest of cannons

[broken carbon]

psyker still has a lot of survival options

[spice veldt]

ddoge tanking is also a term

[royal wraith]

BB, and the options for crowd control, i.e purgatus/vs

[upper galleon]

at the end of the day, high level psyker play is about keeping your peril high for bonuses (OR AT LEAST HOW I PLAY)

[spice veldt]

BB has horrible single-target DPS

have you ever played another class

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, gotta edge that balance between 80% and 100% peril

[royal wraith]

yea i have all of them at 30

[gusty furnace]

its not super duper hard

but a mistake kills you so like. . .

[spice veldt]

alright then go into the meatgrinder and compare the DPS of BB to a gun

[royal wraith]

its nice to pick off the ragers/shotgunners at range

[gusty furnace]

Don't make mistakes

[royal wraith]

all i use it for

[upper galleon]

BB is for safe target pick off, not a single target dps tool except maybe monsters if you don't have anything better to do

[spice veldt]

brainburst is a nice utility weapon, but it is no cannon

[gusty furnace]

works okay on crushers

and bulwarks/reapers

Great? Negative batman

[royal wraith]

ackchyually its not a cannon

[gusty furnace]

But tis okie

[royal wraith]

you get the gist dont you

christ

[spice veldt]

don't call it a cannon then

[royal wraith]

[gusty furnace]

Yeah I just blocked him.

[upper galleon]

yes but it's, still not accurate

sorry to say

[gusty furnace]

I have no idea what you guys are actually talking about.

[upper galleon]

but you want more peril on psyker, not less

[broken carbon]

semantics

[upper galleon]

or well, you don't want to remove too much peril

[royal wraith]

500iq puri over here spreading life advice

[spice veldt]

eh, it's nice to not have your peril capped

[gusty furnace]

I just know I sit way behind everyone else on my team with BB for the vast majority of matches

[royal wraith]

its a figure of speech man

[gusty furnace]

killing one random shooter at a time

because my sword isn't ranged and my staff shoots fire

[spice veldt]

I know it's a figure of speech; I'm not disputing the fact that it's not literally a cannon

[royal wraith]

so its a pointless argument that wasted both of our time

[gusty furnace]

philosophically psyker isn't a cannon

[royal wraith]

based

[spice veldt]

but for reference, a BB takes 2 seconds to channel, and a bolter vet will kill 4 crushers in 1.95 seconds

[gusty furnace]

doesn't do enough damage for that

[spice veldt]

and psyker is not "glass" either because of the force swords and whatnot

[gusty furnace]

psyker is just stupidly squishy

[royal wraith]

wouldnt use it for crushers unless theyre basically cross-map

[gusty furnace]

with no upsides

COME CLOSER LITTLE ONE

[royal wraith]

and you have nothing else to target/fight

[gusty furnace]

you do get tzeentch talking in your ear though

that's really fucking annoying

[upper galleon]

i think it's nurgle actually puri

[broken carbon]

no it’s nurgle

[upper galleon]

rot and decay is one of the whispers

[broken carbon]

“death and decay”

[upper galleon]

or that

[broken carbon]

is definitely nurgly

[royal wraith]

as said i like it to pick off ragers/shotgunners and approaching trappers, also full flame build so anything i pop spreads soulblaze

[upper galleon]

ehh

you don't take that when you get into high damn

[royal wraith]

seems like good utility to me

[upper galleon]

you take the increased damage at high peril

[broken carbon]

its either life and decay or death and decay, could be either due to lore but a bit more stereotypically it’s probably death and decay

[gusty furnace]

It could be chicks with male parts riding a pus module with horns for ears for all I fucking care

[upper galleon]

cause wildfire already spreads your fire fine

[gusty furnace]

it just needs to shut the fuck up

IM TRYING TO HEAR DOGS

[broken carbon]

you can turn it off

[gusty furnace]

I can WAHT

[broken carbon]

yeah

[gusty furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/what-david-david-rose-dan-levy-schitts-creek-gif-20774999

[broken carbon]

somewhere in settings

[royal wraith]

more fire always good

[upper galleon]

having a little bit of stacks on enemies far away does basically nothing to the build over the boost psykinetic's wrath

[broken carbon]

it doesn’t bother me too much so i never did

[royal wraith]

it counts as a warp attack so effectively all your perks benefit from it

[upper galleon]

I LITERALLY PLAY PURGE 99% of my psyker time i'm a zealot main ffs

[gusty furnace]

I don't see it

[broken carbon]

zealotfollows you everywhere

[royal wraith]

also also, its effectively a meat tenderiser

[upper galleon]

2 stacks of soulblaze when you do a long channel<<< 5% more baseline damage that applies to your dot, up to 15% at high peril

[spice veldt]

if you're not running an infinite cleave staff, then I see the use of wrack & ruin

[royal wraith]

more than enough ogryns running krourk, and them using less ammo to blast is a plus in my book

[broken carbon]

it’s in interface

[spice veldt]

but if I'm running purg/trauma, I would not run it

[broken carbon]

the peril FX intensity option

[gusty furnace]

I just see peril FX

[upper galleon]

purge staff you don't go wrack and ruin psykinetic wrath hits more breakpoints i'm 99% sure

[gusty furnace]

why the fuck does that control the volume of the voice

[spice veldt]

peril FX controls both the sound and visuals

[gusty furnace]

and not just the visuals

[broken carbon]

yeah that

oh

[gusty furnace]

I'm fine with the visuals

[broken carbon]

shrug

[gusty furnace]

its just the GOD DAMNED VOICE

[upper galleon]

you mean bullbutcher?

not krourk but that's not biggy

[spice veldt]

maybe the krourk stubber

[upper galleon]

OHH

but still isn't gorgon and achlys more popular respectively but i'm not going to stick on that just wondering outloud

[royal wraith]

ye stubber

but achyls and gorgonum work justas well

[upper galleon]

but anyways

psykinetics wrath, wildfire, ascendant blaze is all you need

[royal wraith]

well, or really any weapon

[upper galleon]

sadly wrack and ruin just, sucks

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, I don't see very many krourk stubbers out in the wild

Either BRRRT achlys or dunkdunkdunk gorgo

[spice veldt]

it'd be better if our ranged/melee hordeclear was worse

[upper galleon]

also like, most things you are gonna BB in a proper game (assuming you have a competent vet) are going to be specials

that are by themselves

and maybe some elites?

but it's better to have PW buffing your dot damage from purge by 15% and it spreading via wildfire

than it is to put 2 measly stacks on a tiny amount of enemies

that probably will never spread

[spice veldt]

and i'd take on warp unleashed for the flamer one-shot BP

[thorn cedar]

ye

[spice veldt]

as much as I don't like to brainburst, that flamer one-shot breakpoint is very nice to have in frantic situations

[thorn cedar]

thats the one thing i miss the most when i do run W&R

[upper galleon]

god i can't get used to the new feat names

WU>WaW

and it's 10% base up to 25%

[spice veldt]

living in history itself

[upper galleon]

25% more damage on everything if you are doing what you should be doing and peril edging

yea every wiki and stuff is outdated had ot go on games lantern

[spice veldt]

what global damage buffs does to a mf

hope they nerf some of it back since a straight damage boost like this is going to always be nice

make it force-only or back to 15%

[upper galleon]

nah leave it as is so I can tell more people to not take WaW

[raw coral]

uWu?

[gusty furnace]

well that's deflector into the sticker book at least

so close to slaughterer 4

I can taste it

[unreal wasp]

This looks familiar for some reason...

[gusty furnace]

Its uh

almost like pistols with a magazine forward of the grip aren't particularly special

and video games/fantasy franchises are going to take inspiration from the same things

[unreal wasp]

Don't remember saying it looked familiar specifically because of just the forward magazine but ok

[thorn tapir]

Auric Maelstrom random psyker squad

[gusty furnace]

yeah but that's literally the only thing that makes it look like a laspistol

[unreal wasp]

Definitely not that it's also a big green brick with brown on the grip and a large green piece on the barrel

[flint pawn]

Is Bloodthirsty on the Illisi like... feasible? Does it help? Is it worth running over Deflector or another blessing?

[spice veldt]

if you want to gear your illisi more offensively

I personally run unstable power over deflector, but bloodthirsty is another good offensive option

I just don't like bloodthirsty because of the on-kill condition whereas unstable power is slightly more general in exchange for marginally less damage

[flint pawn]

I only used the Illisi with Surge support, I'll have to make time to play with Illisi

For now I have a Combat Knife + Voidstrike addiction

[spice veldt]

deflector does offer a lot of utility, if you're willing to give that up

[gusty furnace]

So you plan on being completely useless when anyone decides to get near you

[flint pawn]

On paper

[gusty furnace]

I'm not saying you have to use the illisi

but holy shit is the combat knife dogshit

[upper galleon]

combat knife is barely D tier on zealot

[flint pawn]

After messing around with it for a while, push attack spamming with an occasional dodge has let me handle hordes well

[upper galleon]

you are basically pigeon holed into executor+ uncanny

cause you can't make use of bleed crits like zealots

[flint pawn]

I run Lacerate on my knife

Not for the reason you're thinking

[upper galleon]

i really gotta see how you handle a horde with strikedown push attacks

[flint pawn]

Because I have an unnatural habit of being forced to solo Plague Ogryns for some reason

[upper galleon]

lacerate damage is ass, like even if you somehow have 6 warp charges and high peril

then go rashaad

or even antax

if you don't want to be 100% meta

like I'm sorry but as somoene who has played a lot of knife zealot and a bit of the other classes with knife

bleed damage is really only good vs bulwarks and reapers

[flint pawn]

I mean

It gives me a way to throw in decent chip damage on Plague Ogryn and Chaos Spawn when they're locked onto me

[upper galleon]

sure monsters are unyielding but, you'd get more dps from BB spam

[flint pawn]

Not that I'm saying it's good to be clear

[upper galleon]

you can technically solo a cspawn (and by extension plague ogryn) hitless with a rashaad

no bug/exploit abuse

it's just about timing dodges and knowing what attacks to block/slide under

[flint pawn]

I'm aware cspawn is soloable, I've done it with my knife

And promptly lost the run after to a barrel

I'm only running Knife + Voidstrike because I'm bored of Surge staff

[upper galleon]

ok I'm gonna guess you don't play damnation, or at least, not auric damn+

[flint pawn]

And also wanted to make myself learn how to handle shooters without Deflector

I don't play Auric no

[upper galleon]

ok

[flint pawn]

I only play Damnation

As of now at least

[upper galleon]

idk, there is so much offmeta things you can use instead of knife

[flint pawn]

I mean sure

[upper galleon]

mk4 taxe

[flint pawn]

But I'm enjoying what I'm playing

[upper galleon]

dueling sword

aight fair enough

[flint pawn]

That reminds me, I've meant to ask abouthe Dueling Sword

Which one is arguably the best of the 3?

[thorn cedar]

BB def doesn't outpace a knife doing full bleed stacks

not over the entire fight anyway

well i guess its really more the bleed stacks

than the knife

but yknow, chicken, egg, blood

when i have KB tho i def drop a full cycle of BBs

[autumn smelt]

i request opinions

i just nabbed nexus 4 from melk

ive not changed anything on this yet out of laziness

do yall think i should upgrade warp nexus from 3 to 4, or swap elite ranged damage for something else?

[thorn cedar]

that's pretty good already

hard to calculate the exact value of a variable crit chance

[autumn smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/max-lord-maxwell-lord-life-is-good-but-it-can-be-better-wonder-woman1984-gif-19839182

[autumn smelt]

see thats the thing
i recall someone saying 2 things, i think it was arco

[thorn cedar]

adding a flat 5% crit chance could be better

[autumn smelt]

that crit chance has no bearing on the actual zap

which means that crits on it dont increase the stagger, like against mutants or something

[thorn cedar]

it def does, or everything i know is a lie

[autumn smelt]

i could be wrong, which is another reason that i havent changed anything yet

[flint pawn]

This is the first decent knife I got access to, are there any significant ways I can make it better? I'd like to keep Lacerate

[autumn smelt]

like i know that everyone builds for crits on the surge staff

i assumed that was due to the zap, after all, one of its stats is "critical bonus" or whatever

but i was also told that it only actually affects the basic bolt, and its just that the surge staff doesnt really have much going for it in terms of blessings anyway so why not

[thorn cedar]

crit bonus explicitly states it affects the secondary chance too

[autumn smelt]

yeah i looked at that and saw that

which is why i was just like ????

[thorn cedar]

but i confess i have never explicitly tested outside of 'the feels'

rn i am returning to this vid

https://youtu.be/7KVVpasnIrw?si=_24jX4Msz1q3nDaN

dont recall if he even touches on it

but still good infoz

[autumn smelt]

yeah i remember watching this guy as i was building my t hammer

[upper galleon]

switch to uncanny from mercy killer

knife has a lot of minor and major problems vs armor/body types

100% rending > 50% weak spot damage

especially with how poorly weak spot damage is calculated

an uncanny knife is also really fun to Heavy spam a crusher to death

[thorn cedar]

ye mercy aint bad but uncanny is zany good

[upper galleon]

yee cause basically everything except unarmored and unyielding

[thorn cedar]

its like 20ish extra damage on the lights and 70ish on the heavies iirc

[upper galleon]

reduces knife damage and/or bleed damage

infested is a minor one but it's pretty significant for poxwalkers and doggos

[autumn smelt]

lol
the build that he recomments for playing into strengths, which is what i was already going for, was for flak and elite damage, for the exact same reason
most elites are flak, so thats 2 multipliers on top of each other
normal flak enemies already get buttfucked by the staff regardless, so the crit chance is less valuable there, and by using the surge staff as both a CC tool and flak annihilator, i can do both at the same time better with ranged elite damage, which is already what i have

[upper galleon]

100% rending also applies to your bleed from lacerate except you do need to maintain uncanny

range elite puny 10%

[flint pawn]

Thank you

[upper galleon]

bigger 25% number better

[autumn smelt]

the alternative is 5% crit chance

[upper galleon]

[autumn smelt]

@upper galleon

[upper galleon]

just go cara or even maniac

[thorn cedar]

my personal take on the flak/Elite philosophy is that they are already stunned and in most cases already dead (assuming full charges) except for shotgunners and gunners

[upper galleon]

crit chance is cool but like.

[thorn cedar]

but one more zap mops them up

[upper galleon]

i value consistency over rng

[thorn cedar]

the 5% crit with warp flurry 4 means 50% crit chance when it's topped

[olive ember]

@spice veldt see

good weapon

smh

[thorn cedar]

which is yknow, a lot

when half your zaps have the potential to crit it can substantially reduce TTK on the things you suck at, and imo the one that hurts the most is dreg stalkers

[autumn smelt]

yeah that was the other option
it was either change the perk to crit/% damage, or bump up that crit chance further, since i have nexus 4 ready to slap on there now

[olive ember]

just don't look at his builds

fuck me he uses quicken

yeah his builds are

interesting

one uses quicken the other uses warp battery and CL

was this video made before or after warp unleashed became global dmg

[thorn cedar]

cant recall

[upper galleon]

i don't trust any darktide youtubers

[thorn cedar]

i only trust like four

the rest are dogshit capital Y Youtubers

especially Clay, easily the shittiest dude with the least to add or say

[olive ember]

lmao clickbait clay

[autumn smelt]

when it comes to like
information about a weapon

i think theyre fine, from what ive seen

but when it comes to builds

[spice veldt]

crit chance is eh but it does add consistency and applies to everything

still a thing that I'm on the fence about

[autumn smelt]

ive seen what some people do with builds and i nearly gagged

[olive ember]

this is why everyone should use my MetaPsykerTM build

[thorn cedar]

yea a big if youre lucky always applies but being able to kill dreg stalkers in two zaps instead of four or five is kinda

idk, hard to pass up the possibility

[olive ember]

man I remember when warp unleashed was a great meme skill

and then they buffed the ever living shit out of it

[spice veldt]

i liked it cuz i was an obscurus user

[autumn smelt]

what would you do in my case then
for the staff above, lemme relink it again

[thorn cedar]

ye same

[autumn smelt]

.

[olive ember]

I mean I was an obscures user too

[thorn cedar]

Still surprised WU never got nerfed (yet)

[olive ember]

just didn't rly think it was that good

I'm waiting for obscures buffs

[autumn smelt]

cuz theres the 10% elite damage i could replace, vs upgrading the t3 nexus to t4

[thorn cedar]

10% global damage for clicking a button is kinda wild

[spice veldt]

i don't use the surge much so there are potentially some fringe breakpoints i don't know about

[olive ember]

make obscures great again

ngl most people who use surge don't know a thing about it

had a guy who ranked surge as 2nd strongest staff not know you could stun mutants with it

and thats like

the biggest fucking upside the surge staff has

[thorn cedar]

i studied it for thirty minutes six months ago, that's like a diploma

[autumn smelt]

based on the video above
he said with a bunch of testing, its such a wide range of man-max damage against different profiles, growing wider based on the charge, that working toward breakpoints is nigh impossible

[spice veldt]

that is the major selling point of the surge over the trauma

dafuq

[olive ember]

yeah he ranked trauma as worst staff lmao

[spice veldt]

:(

[olive ember]

and his reasoning was that trauma was hard to roll

[autumn smelt]

with like a 200ish difference in the range of damage at full charge from the lowest to the highest damage you could deal

[spice veldt]

it is the worst to gear and has the worst ease of use to beginners so I understand

[flint pawn]

Voidstrike is worst staff

But that won't stop me from shooting balls

[spice veldt]

but they shouldn't be making a tier list like that

[autumn smelt]

void strike is the worst 100%

[olive ember]

and I'm just like bruh according to you the autopistol should be D tier because it needs both dmg stopping power, blaze away, and pinning fire

[flint pawn]

I have an addiction to quellcanceling the Voidstrike

I can't break out of it

[autumn smelt]

its fun, but i cant actually find a use for it ngl

[upper galleon]

fire into hordes and hope it bugs out to give infinite cleave

[autumn smelt]

like a situation where i know its better to do than just fully charging

then again
i dont really use voidstrike lol

[flint pawn]

I can think of like.... two times where it felt better to use it over fully charging it

And both times were to make up for teammates

[autumn smelt]

since i only play auric maelstroms, the only time i actually use the voidstrike staff is when the only modifiers are shock and hunting grounds

every other set of modifiers is better dealt with by using a different staff

also i wanna ask
what are yalls thoughts on wildfire with the purgatus staff

[olive ember]

thats cuz voidstrike is dogshit

(mid)

[autumn smelt]

ive always just used kinetic flayer

[olive ember]

wildfire is

bugged as shit

some people like it tho

6 stack is typically better imo

[flint pawn]

I would give an opinion but I've used Purgatus maybe 3 times since I've started playing this game

And with no Soulblaze perks

[olive ember]

thats

an E moment

wildfire is kinda just

it extends your burn

but it can only stack up to 4 burns

so you really aren't killing much

especially since with how buggy it is half the time it isn't even sustaining stacks

[autumn smelt]

i just use flayer to keep mine maxxed at all times

i value that qol more than the 2 more stacks i could potentially have some of the time

on top of the occasional elite one shots from the random bb

[olive ember]

flayer is eh imo if you really want more stacks bring communion

6 stack AB hits a bunch of breakpoints

[autumn smelt]

i never use AB

[olive ember]

mainly that you can kill every trash mob

[autumn smelt]

i always use flayer

not flayer uhh the other one

the not shit one

not quicken

psykinetic wrath

[flint pawn]

Kinetic Barrage?

[autumn smelt]

yeah

im just stupid

[flint pawn]

I can't play without it

[autumn smelt]

i barely remember their names

ikr

[olive ember]

I mean it works

[flint pawn]

Most of the reason I play Psyker is because I enjoy casting spells with hands

[olive ember]

just that with how much flame spews out of purge staff typically you run AB to capitalize off of it

[autumn smelt]

its literally just a "these guys are about to ruin the run, get em outta here now"

[flint pawn]

Of course I'm gonna stick with a perk that lets me sustain that longer

[autumn smelt]

to me its not the peril resist

its the shortened cast

you can quite literally get 2 bb of before the stagger of the ult itself wears off

[gusty furnace]

welp, now I get to waste my time looking for Surge

I did get slaughterer 4 though

comfy sword is comfy

[autumn smelt]

every time a kinetic barrage ult is cast its just

https://tenor.com/view/were-just-gonna-kill-em-gif-11132724

[potent echo]

nice those stats

[gusty furnace]

yeah I can't be assed to grind out another illisi

it is, for all intents and purposes, perfect for damnation and auric

Oh no, deflection 4 and maniac/unyielding damage? Sure, they'd be nice I guess

but blegh

fuck this RNG gacha gambling bullshit

[olive ember]

lmao

welcome back to darktide

did you miss it after your stint in SSTE

[gusty furnace]

me frfr

[potent echo]

quickekw

[autumn smelt]

i cant be the only one that is only mildly miffed by the system
like some of the better blessings ive gotten have just been pulled right off an emperors blessing

[gusty furnace]

Everyone hates it

there's a very small minority who are rabidly married to it, but the current "crafting" system as-is is blatantly anti-player

It took me a little over 700 hours to find power cycler 4

and it took me maybe 10 to get slaughterer tier 4 on force swords

it also took me a little over 700 or 800 hours to get slaughterer 4 on bb mk3

[potent echo]

"just use T3 lmao"

[gusty furnace]

Its just not a good system at all. There's no targeted way to improve builds at all other than blatantly shitty RNG mechanics

DRG is the best example of how to time-gate upgrades

[olive ember]

yeah most people here aren't playing the game until octobver

for the funny skill tree

[gusty furnace]

When you get one, you get it forever

and place it freely

But you're pulling randomly from the full pool

BUT, because the pulled upgrade is removed from the pool, you will eventually get everything.

Now, one could argue that DRG's system takes too long to participate in, where I think if you clock 40 hours a week, it'll take you a little over 6 months to get everything - its a good idea base-line.

DRG = Deep Rock Galactic

[olive ember]

don't worry tho after listening to player feedback and months of reflection they made it so that you can now pick 2 out of 4 things to change via crafting system

isn't that so much better lmao

[gusty furnace]

I mean, it helps with some stuff

MG12 being the premier example.

It needs all of zero blessings

They're all mediocre to bad. So just slapping on Flak/Maniac on top of whatever blessings you rolled DOES help.

But its a sad state of affairs when there's a little over 100 weapons and the "new" crafting system really only works on one

I guess three, if you want to include the MG1a and MGIV

[autumn smelt]

tbh the shit system has kinda forced me to learn why things are good, so i can maximize the potential of a weapon that isnt the best of the best

which i do appreciate in hindsight

[hollow current]

At this point I just check the Armory and hope a green or blue pops up that has almost perfect modifiers and a useful perk and or blessing.

[gusty furnace]

well yeah, it lets you take a weapon like this and understand what you're actually sacrificing

[autumn smelt]

instead of just "whats good" "these" "k thanks putting those on now"

[gusty furnace]

In my case, a little bit of explosion on the actual ball

but since the voidstrike already doesn't really do explosions well, its fine

Same with Grenadier Gauntlet.

Blast Radius just isn't super important on either one.

That and staffs just don't have good blessings

terrifying barrage

terrifying barrage is literally baked into the voidstrike staff

fatshark pls

[short pollen]

I’d bet crit on a void staff will be good next patch.

[gusty furnace]

(Voidstrike has a suppression radius proc on kill)

[olive ember]

Voidstrike is uh

well its basically just transfer peril and warp flurry yeah

[gusty furnace]

(and unlike Terrifying Barrage, it isn't limited to 15 meters - "Close Range" in Darktide means 15 meters or less, because fatshark hates verbose explanations that actually tell you what they're doing so they chose the shortest and most obfuscated way to get information across on all of their tool tips)

[olive ember]

lmao its great

[gusty furnace]

I'm gonna run nexus and surge because funee crit meme

[olive ember]

you could try blazing crit

[gusty furnace]

@viral solstice you'd be proud of me

[olive ember]

blazing spirit*

thats also just a meme

[gusty furnace]

I had an illisi that was that

for like

a couple hours. before I dumpstered it.

Because blazing spirit is mad dogshit. It really should just be all 12 stacks at once

[olive ember]

illisi is interesting because it kills most of what it touches

so the whole set things on fire on crit

is kinda mid

but stuff like trauma is where blazing spirit is actually good since the radius on that damn thing is so big

you can set like half the horde on fire if you get lucky

[gusty furnace]

Or I could just set the whole horde on fire period

[olive ember]

lmao

pretty much

tho blazing crit trauma is considered meta

because it brings extra CC and range

its a side grade to the normal meta trauma staff which is warp flurry + rending shockwave

[gusty furnace]

I am pretty confused about the balance between purgatus staff and flamer

flamer gets ~40% more range

I guess that's because it has ammunition?

Maybe?

Kinda weird that its 17 meters vs 21 though

Sorry, 20% more range.

[olive ember]

Flamer does more damage and has more range but long pull out time and ammo and reload n all that

[gusty furnace]

Like 20.5% ish

[olive ember]

Psykers staff is more versatile and has better buffs from psykers kits like warp unleashed, warp charges, etc etc

But less damage outright and less range

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, but the damage and range means that it just invalidates the purg staff

Especially since you get infinite dodges in Darktide

they're not good dodges, beyond the dodge limit

But you still get i-frames from them, so you can just backpedal away from that lone bruiser or whatever while pulling out the flamer

[olive ember]

Yeah but you see that requires you to have a zealot who brings flamer and knows how to use it

Idk how it’s possible I’ve had multiple runs with a flamer zealot where they couldn’t manage hordes

It’s genuinely depressing

[gusty furnace]

Hell, i'll facetank with my faith as zealot to pull out the flamer

it really doesn't matter, especially if you're at 100 toughness

I should say 100%

[olive ember]

But yeah purge staff is also good on psyker because it makes them an all rounder basically

Purge will take care of anything that isn’t an ogryn or mutant or boss, deimos for those, and BB for anything long range

[gusty furnace]

I still don't think any of the staffs are particularly good. They're not bad, but they're all definitely mediocre.

[olive ember]

It’s meh, trauma is probably the standout

[autumn smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/soseki-natsume-tgaa-the-great-ace-attorney-what-gif-25859854

[gusty furnace]

They all have really wild drawbacks

[olive ember]

Surge can’t kill shit, voidstrike is super mid, so that leaves trauma and purge

[autumn smelt]

surge has the best flak damage profile out of all of them

[gusty furnace]

and carapace

[olive ember]

Yeah but it can only hit 5 at a time which is eeee

Also random targeting

So you cant do something like “oh there’s a mauler pack in the middle of the horde lemme just”

And melt them

[short pollen]

Agreed

[olive ember]

purge is rly strong tbh

people call it a discount flamer but

its still strong as fuck

one full blast can kill maulers (and everything squishier than maulers)

which given how versatile it is compared to flamer is yeah

[autumn smelt]

they all fill a role REALLY well
all roles that they fill better than any other weapon
except voidstrike, that is just bad

[olive ember]

trauma is basically CC on demand

it can knock over basically everything besides mutants

[gusty furnace]

You can hit 7 enemies

I just did it in the meat grinder

8 enemies

[olive ember]

they changed the targeting a few times

but its still kinda weird

[gusty furnace]

So they must've changed the targeting

[short pollen]

I just wish I could take a gun and put psyker magic in it instead of ammo.

[gusty furnace]

It definitely favors elites/specials though

[olive ember]

are you killing shit mid charge

[gusty furnace]

with 100% reliablity

[gusty furnace]

that might be it

No

I was able to hit 6 with no deaths

8 with deaths

[olive ember]

i just stick with 5 enemies to be safe but its technically 5+

but yeah targeting with the surge staff is iffy

[autumn smelt]

surge is CC overload
trauma is precise staggering king
purg is horde decimator

[olive ember]

still doesn't compare with the infinite cleave and like 8m radius or wte the fuck of trauma staff

[upper galleon]

flamer vs purge, purge has unlimited ammo and has feats that synchronize with it

[olive ember]

except against mutants

[autumn smelt]

exactly

[olive ember]

thats the one shining thing about surge staff is that its CC is ultra reliable

[upper galleon]

flamer doesn't have synergistic feats, a longer range, and better blessings (imo)

[olive ember]

where as trauma they like superarmor through that shit half the time which is rly weird, especially ogryns and ragers

[upper galleon]

cause overpressure blaze away is fun

[olive ember]

flurry is basically super quick reload on purge

nexus is kinda meh

[upper galleon]

and there was a really cool purge staff blessing that would've applied rending but it was never added to the game, just in the data

[gusty furnace]

Counterpoint

damn

you already mentioned BA/OP

[upper galleon]

nexus is only used cause it's the only other dps increase

[olive ember]

Don't worry guys

come october

its going to be great

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[hollow current]

Trauma camping the pox hound and poxburster spawns is great.

[upper galleon]

and double stacks is good, just not enough to waste a perk over

[olive ember]

thats when the 1 year beta is going to be over

[short pollen]

I think the psyker having to spend feats to make their flamer keep up with the normal flamer that runs on ammo is a drawback of the pskyer flamer gun.

[upper galleon]

nah, purge well outperforms a flamer

[olive ember]

I mean those feats are pretty general use tho

like you always bring warp unleashed

[upper galleon]

as someone who plays both

after the wildfire change

[olive ember]

wildfire is

mehaosdhiasodh

[upper galleon]

it's meh

[olive ember]

idk some people really like wildfire

[autumn smelt]

just found an aimbotter

[upper galleon]

but in higher density difficulties

it adds up

[olive ember]

idk whenever I try wildfire it just feels like

[autumn smelt]

the fact that wildfire cannot spread more than 4 stacks kills it

[olive ember]

I don't have the 6 stack AB which helps with killing shooters, and I also don't have the extra BB breakpoints from 6 stacks either

[autumn smelt]

imo

[upper galleon]

not even kills it

[olive ember]

its worse than that, it can't spread to any enemy who have 4 stacks of burn

so its basically guaranteed diminishing returns

[upper galleon]

when stuff is dense you just softent up every enemy you are currently in combat with

and eventually, in my experience in maelstroms

[olive ember]

have you tried blazing crit trauma?

[upper galleon]

the 2nd and later pass throughs

[olive ember]

its basically that principle but with a trauma staff

[upper galleon]

of wildfire start killing

[autumn smelt]

if it could spread 1 stack to enemies with 4+, THEN it would be amazing

[gusty furnace]

So uh

[upper galleon]

yes, i like flamer

[gusty furnace]

question before I sleep

how often do you guys spend on BB

cause I spend, I dunno, ~75% of the match with my hands out cupping Nurgle's balls

[potent echo]

almost never, you should be doing staff

[olive ember]

uhhh it rly depends tbh

[potent echo]

but then i run AB

[gusty furnace]

staff no reachy touchy the 9 million shooters everywhere

[olive ember]

the psycho psykers play it like they are zealot

[autumn smelt]

bb when the thing i need to kill cannot be hit with staff, or just faster with bb cuz armor

[olive ember]

they run into the shooters

[potent echo]

run in and purge suppress

[olive ember]

@spice veldt over there

run in and kill them with illisi

trauma or surge to close the gap

is how I play

[potent echo]

if things real bad get 6wc and AB

[olive ember]

arcotash does something similar

[upper galleon]

basically never

[olive ember]

it really depends on the team imo

[gusty furnace]

Yeah. . . that works when you have literal invulnerability, holy revenant, 200 base HP, 100 base toughness, and zealot's cracked ultimate

[upper galleon]

unless I have to kill something wihtout maintaining line of sight

[olive ember]

I've had complete dog teams

[autumn smelt]

im quite literally playing with a vet on aimbot right now

[olive ember]

where I'm literally forced to BB like entire squads of shooters

[autumn smelt]

like its dead obvious

[gusty furnace]

I find myself just getting chipped to death because nobody can kill shooters quickly

[hollow current]

using your ability can stagger shooters for a second to help closer the gap too

[upper galleon]

or to opne a bulwark

[potent echo]

just slip and slide

idk i've been playing hard mode from the start

[olive ember]

Prob ask @spice veldt tbh his entire playstyle is melee psyker

[upper galleon]

Remember! your ability scales with your current peril, both in knockback and distance

[potent echo]

none of the vet F or zealot F shiz

[gusty furnace]

I do the whole "w key to victory" on zealot and ogryn

But psyker too squashy for dat

[upper galleon]

cause I saw a lot of psykers in here a while ago complaining but they were using their ability at like 25% peril

[gusty furnace]

Limited experience admittedly

Oh, I use kinetic barrage

[olive ember]

Its basically abusing infinite dodges via illisi and good CC via staves

[potent echo]

purge has like 16m range so you slip and slide when purging you should be fine

[olive ember]

if you running melee psyker

[gusty furnace]

I'm always at 100% peril when I proc it

[autumn smelt]

psyker is also really hard to hit if you play them well lmao

[potent echo]

to get closer to shooters while charging purge you turn to side and dodge slide

[hollow current]

yeah it's what I do. open with trauma or purge and then slide in

[olive ember]

oh sometimes you use the F as a good way to close the distance too

[fallow falcon]

This looks like it has potential

[olive ember]

so while zealot and ogryn have a charge, psyker just knock everything over

and then jogs to the enemy before they can get back up

kekw

[potent echo]

dodge slide while using staff is everything you need to do

[upper galleon]

I use Warp absorb, warp unleashed, psykinetics aura, kinetic shield, wildfire, ascendant blaze

i think, while warp battery increases your flat damage

[gusty furnace]

Considering the quality of randoms

I'll stick to fondling nurgle's balls

Seems to be working out so far

[olive ember]

the randoms in this game

leave much to be desired

I can't play normal damnation anymore

because holy shit those guys belong in heresy

[upper galleon]

I used it for a while but in the sheer density of some maps and especially maelstroms made me go to wildfire and I love it

[olive ember]

yeah its annoying because with how dense the enemies stuff like purge and trauma are just

better

voidstrike immediately eats shit because its 6 cleave means it can't even kill hordes that well

[upper galleon]

less kills, but you do way more damage just cause your fire will spread ridic far, I remember seeing a sniper get lit up out in the distance cause of the chain of dreg shooters in cover

[autumn smelt]

im so conflicted if i should report this aimbotter
like theyre cheating
buuuuut this match is going really well

[olive ember]

and surge starts suffering from enemy spam too

[potent echo]

and surge does m1 ball much better due to crits

[olive ember]

maybe they are just rly good

[broken quail]

Outside the occasional botched game I'm pretty satisfied with randos in both dam and auric

[olive ember]

its the gamer chair trust

[upper galleon]

normal damnation is the new heresy

[autumn smelt]

i have a clip that says otherwise lmao

[olive ember]

idk man I failed 4 missions in a row where the randos died to poxwalker hordes

right before a boss spawned in

[upper galleon]

auric damnations ahve been great for me, and smoother than regular damnation

[glacial nest]

Did they say they’re using an aim bot?

[storm mauve]

as a psyker, how should i be damaging bosses? i've just been spamming brain burst

[olive ember]

Honestly in a coop game Idrc if people are cheating

im def in the minority

but

eh

[potent echo]

damnation players have no restraint and will aggro shooter patrols while hunting grounds is going down and also run forward and spawn a boss

[olive ember]

like I had a guy in remnant 2 instant level all my archetypes

[autumn smelt]

no, but its damn obvious

[broken quail]

I just remember one rando in dam that kept insulting every other member when we were all carrying him, the three of us were so confused

[upper galleon]

HAHAHAH

[potent echo]

why even play

[olive ember]

look its that epic gamer chair and high sens competitive shooter mouse

[hollow current]

nah that's just a cadian

[upper galleon]

reminds me of the recon las gun aimbotter i saw in malice way back in month 3

like, why?

[upper galleon]

storm legion gear, probably pretending to be a krieger

[autumn smelt]

eating glue doesnt make you a better cadian
but being cadian does make you better at eating glue

[glacial nest]

Malice is hard for some people

[upper galleon]

and it's not the cadian voice

[olive ember]

I am interested in the other zealot tree tbh

idk why but the zealot skill trees interest me more than the psykers

feelsbad

[potent echo]

zealot: assassin, preacher, ??

[upper galleon]

honestly, I'd post this in the fatshark forums or something

banisher

[olive ember]

some kind of tank healer/support class I think

[upper galleon]

the assassin isn't confirmed, could be death cult

[glacial nest]

Other zealot tree will have abilities that make hammer and combat axe better

[olive ember]

I mean didn't they say it was some death cult assassin thing

[upper galleon]

but banisher was the name, or code name for the tanky zealot subclass

[autumn smelt]

oh no
i dont know how to do that

i dont typically post on forums lmao

[upper galleon]

no that's the guessing

[autumn smelt]

theres not an embed for video files is there

[glacial nest]

I’d post it along with the players home address and their Facebook page

[upper galleon]

post on youtube or maybe a warden will help

[olive ember]

https://www.gamereactor.eu/warhammer-40000-darktides-class-overhaul-making-up-for-past-missteps-1301873/

no I thought the devs said

that the zealot would have a deathcult assassin

[autumn smelt]

and the social security number for good measure

[olive ember]

idek what a deathcult assassin is

[autumn smelt]

wrong reply

[upper galleon]

ctrl F brings nothing up about death cult or assassin

but no devs has said anything

[broken quail]

I wonder if we can trade in warp siphon ability in the new trees, communion can fill out my 6 souls and I keep them with kinetic barrage anyways

[glacial nest]

I still saw it

[upper galleon]

we just know that likely, from the icons, and how we already have preacher and banisher "confirmed"

[autumn smelt]

it was in the actual video itself

[upper galleon]

OHH

what the fuck

[olive ember]

https://www.gamereactor.eu/warhammer-40000-darktides-class-overhaul-making-up-for-past-missteps-1301873/

[upper galleon]

i was told the video didn't matter

[olive ember]

its one of the videos on this site

[autumn smelt]

no the video is like an actual interview

[upper galleon]

but yee death cults are as they say, death cults for the god emperor that form

[olive ember]

idek what a deathcult assassin is but

sounds cool

[upper galleon]

and assassin would be anyone who works outside the Officio Assassinorum

2 different things

put together

[autumn smelt]

damage from behind seems like a given for that subclass tree

[upper galleon]

would need stealth or something enemies turn fast asf in dt

[hollow current]

Anyone think we'll see red weapons with the overhaul?

[autumn smelt]

doubt it

[broken quail]

No

[olive ember]

I remember someone mentioning that one of the classes to get an invis for an ability

[potent echo]

vet gets huntsman kruber

camo but camo-ier

[hollow current]

along with that foghorn sound effect?

[upper galleon]

next year for red weapons at the earliest

my bet is for 2nd year anniversary we get attachments

[autumn smelt]

but thinking about it
if its just a damage increase from behind, its entirely possible that we could be doing drastically more damage from behind against monstrosities with the thammer with ease, since its damage almost entirely weapon based

[upper galleon]

poor hedge got used as a sacrificial lamb to use a bullshitting line from corporate when the reality the system just wasn't done and they had to release

that's, like, 1 enemy type

maybe 2 if you count bulwarks

[autumn smelt]

?

what are you referring to

[upper galleon]

monstrosities

[autumn smelt]

oh i thought that was tied to your hedge message

[upper galleon]

damage to enemies behind is like, the reason you don't take raking fire on shredder

[olive ember]

maybe we get red weapons with full customizability

[autumn smelt]

ik
but like
beeg boss damage fun

[olive ember]

and not this garbage lockout

[upper galleon]

enemies turn quickly and it's not wroth it on enemies that don't

but yee my hedge comment is separate

[autumn smelt]

why do the bots get the heavy sword

theyre vets

[upper galleon]

LMAO

funny bug

[lyric burrow]

vet with hsword is not something we need

although they have psword and rashaad anyway

guess it wouldnt make a huge diff

[upper galleon]

If zealot doesn't get 2handed power sword at least I'm quitting

[lyric burrow]

i wouldnt be shocked if they gave it to vet first even though they dont get 2 handed weapons

2 handed p sword would be really fun though

idk how theyd balance it since regular p sword already does everything

and a better version of p sword is illisi

[autumn smelt]

i just had an ogryn calling me useless cuz i was using a surge staff lmao

solely on the basis that i was using the surge

[short pollen]

I think the surge isn’t very useful, but it’s still a jerk thing to say.

[autumn smelt]

it was in an auric maelstrom with mutie and dog waves

[lyric burrow]

i think surge is fine but its a very particular use case and using it wrong is either your doing nothing or your actively hurting the team with out of place stuns

but if someone is using it right its actually very useful imo

still the worst staff most likely

[short pollen]

It’s nice if there is never more than 8 enemies on your screen and not needing to aim it at all is nice

[lyric burrow]

the stun limit is a little unfortunate

when you cant guarantee youll get 8 important enemies

[autumn smelt]

it was the end of silo cluster, door to the ship just opened, and we were still swarmed with a horde cuz it was the last wave that had just reached us, and 2 poxwalkers next to each other ran from around the right wall side by side
i surged them back when they started to go off, and used my ult with high peril for good measure, but neither staggered them
so they triple killed us

[lyric burrow]

huh

wonder if surge messed with stagger

although surge didnt even proc

tbf its awful vs infested

didnt think that affected stagger though

[short pollen]

Yeah surge be like that

Trauma would have done the thing there

[autumn smelt]

its been more consistent then pushing a burster though, thats for sure

[autumn smelt]

also i hard disagree with this

that crown is easily taken by voidstrike

[lyric burrow]

i think its tied with void

not even that those 2 are bad

but trauma and purg are kinda insane

[autumn smelt]

surge just has to be used right

[short pollen]

Yeah I mained a voidstrike for almost all of my 280+ level psyker gameplay. It’s way harder to use well, with doing less damage than everybody else as a reward.

[autumn smelt]

most people look at the damage of it against unarmored and write it off as purely CC

[lyric burrow]

unarmored and infested

[autumn smelt]

but it is quite honestly the best weapon against groups of flak elites

[lyric burrow]

infested matters less cause psyker melee

[autumn smelt]

it not only is the best staff for them in terms of damage, but also CC

[lyric burrow]

i still dont know about best cause trauma still destroys them

like its good

[autumn smelt]

trauma is an easier haha that crusher is on the floor

[lyric burrow]

its meant to be

[short pollen]

Surge is the best staff if there are less than 9 enemies on my screen.

[autumn smelt]

but surge keeps them in place, standing up making it easier for you team to hit them
on top of outright dealing more damage than trauma at less peril cost

[lyric burrow]

i will say i havent used it much

i kinda swap between void trauma and revolver

[short pollen]

At 9 though it’s pretty bad, at 12 I wonder why I didn’t vendor it for a couple thousand gold.

[lyric burrow]

my issue with that is that trauma can still one shot them, and as many as are in the circle for that matter

so if you still have a one shot BP i think its damage is either better or on par

surge does get them even in cover