#psyker-class

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lunar hollow
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we all know ur a dirty teamkiller

spice veldt
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HUH

lyric burrow
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I know what bolter does to people

spice veldt
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i'm different

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i can wield this power responsibly

lunar hollow
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he cant

lyric burrow
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Arco is the equivalent of a psyker blinding you with trauma

lunar hollow
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that X agrees with me

lyric burrow
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Or one that never melees

lunar hollow
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thank u arco

spice veldt
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why have you suddenly turned on me

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how much did josho pay you

lyric burrow
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Im not turning on you

spice veldt
lyric burrow
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I just dont trust bolter players

lunar hollow
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if i can see it and its yellow

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it is mine to kill

lyric burrow
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Either I don't play when they are in the game or they blow up the bursters on us

spice veldt
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or both

lyric burrow
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I could see both from you

viral solstice
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ME TOO

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HOW WAS I TO KNOW

lyric burrow
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Idk how good your aim is tho

spice veldt
viral solstice
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did u see how fast he flew

spice veldt
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my aim is pretty good since i did an aim training session to get some of my aim back

viral solstice
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double burster

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double spood

lyric burrow
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Tbf

viral solstice
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hit the ceiln

lyric burrow
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That was an awkward distance for push/shoot

viral solstice
lunar hollow
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my aim is pretty good except for those rare moments of dementia where i enter the josho zone™️ and do aberrant things

spice veldt
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it was u or them

viral solstice
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Crab Did Nothing Wrong

lunar hollow
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i am psychically scarred by that one time i could not vanquish a single staggered gunner

lyric burrow
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I need the clip

viral solstice
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what do u thonk about this

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i aimed the mutont at him

spice veldt
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nta

viral solstice
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either u got it

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or u dont

lunar hollow
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my finest moment

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do you wanna know how many times i had to review the footage before i noticed i blew up the barrel

spice veldt
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hmmm

lyric burrow
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Wow

lunar hollow
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i get barreled less than 10 seconds after that

lyric burrow
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Thats uh

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If you were ADS'd it would be one thing

spice veldt
lyric burrow
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You like

lunar hollow
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im fairly certain

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some of those were no-regs

lyric burrow
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Didnt even hit it with the recoil

lunar hollow
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some of these shots most certainly were hits

spice veldt
lyric burrow
lunar hollow
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that yellow is an explosion

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directly on the dreg gunner

lyric burrow
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He would have taken damage if it was on him?

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🤨

lunar hollow
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sir have u ever played this game once

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u can have the most stable connection known to man and still no-reg

spice veldt
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tbf you did hit him didnt you if that's the one at the 4 second mark

spice veldt
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mr gets disconnected every game

lyric burrow
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Oh what

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I was just giving him shit

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Is the connection actually sus

lunar hollow
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part of the problem here

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is that it was in one of those stagger animations

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that has the millions% stagger resist

lyric burrow
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Well arent they already staggered

lunar hollow
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i was half-expecting him to flail about or smth so i didnt care to adjust my aim cuz intuitively speaking

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if u explode someone

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they go flying

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however the game likes to break this rule

lunar hollow
lyric burrow
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I dont think bolter sends people flying anyway does it

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Its only grenades and trauma

lunar hollow
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it can

lyric burrow
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You need like a lot of explosion damage or whatever calculates it

lunar hollow
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problem is like

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u kill everything

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but u can knock shit on its ass

spice veldt
lunar hollow
lyric burrow
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Surely youve done it since

spice veldt
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yes he has

lyric burrow
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Considering your track record

lunar hollow
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compared to my prior instances

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no

spice veldt
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not to the same degree of intentionality

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but I have been blown up with josho as the trigger since then yes

lunar hollow
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never forget

spice veldt
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that's one time

lyric burrow
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Lol the oops

lunar hollow
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deliberately

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on purpose

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with intent

spice veldt
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"deliberately"

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u weren't even in the ballpark of the area

lunar hollow
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now he's downplaying

spice veldt
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so i concocted a 200iq plan that you wouldn't spot the barrel because you were brainbursting an enemy and looking off to the side

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that's the apparent story huh

lunar hollow
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if u can concoct those horrible sprint efficiency calculators

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YEAH

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that's the story.

spice veldt
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...

cyan notch
spice veldt
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thank u blooddrunk (for once)

lunar hollow
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i employed my intimidation tactics

lunar hollow
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from the same match

spice veldt
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pro gamers

fresh reef
inland smelt
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No thanks

viral solstice
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u just gotta walk into them

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dont let them see ur fear

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if u dont know theres 20 snipers in front of u

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then u dont feel any fear

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simple

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just be clueless

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but if u get too powerful and shoot them all in the head

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then u shoot urself in the head

rotund crater
hidden crystal
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I wasn't the most impressed the time a trapper fired a net through a fence at me.

Bullets and lasbolts, fine, but a huge net?

viral solstice
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whats weird about that

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the fence is full of holes

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the net is full of holes

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theyre both mostly empty space

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statistically they just go through each other

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use brane

hidden crystal
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I would use my brain, but some of these obstacles are apparently not net proof, but are brainproof.

(Although, in fairness, that seems to be less bad than it was).

viral solstice
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im sorry i didnt mean to endorse brane brane is bad nobody should ever brane

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stay safe

mellow gorge
hollow current
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Anyone know how mission money is calculated? A few times I've gotten as much as 160k.

fresh reef
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Man, October update cannot come sooner

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I need the fucking Psychic Shield in my life

dawn crypt
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Whats the most important damage type for Flame staff perk?

hollow current
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I think people say Flak and Crit or maybe unyielding but idk if it's good at boss damage.

viscid matrix
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actually crit proabbly isnt worth it

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elites and carapace?

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crit looks like it does 10% mabye 15% extra damage

fresh reef
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Personally I like Maniac so I can get extra damage on every special

hidden crystal
ashen schooner
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carapace isn't worth it I say

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you do so little damage the boost isn't worth it

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switch to melee or bb for them

viscid matrix
cyan notch
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yes

ashen schooner
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if anything gets close to 15 stacks it's either dead or a boss

near wyvern
olive ember
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omg pygex is alive

olive ember
potent echo
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I finally went to roll an actually good illisi and I can actually 2 special heavy a mutant in the body with max buffs

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Not sure how often I would be at 6wc and 100% peril though

near wyvern
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Unless you have like 0% warp resist on that thing

olive ember
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Illisi can theoritically go for mutant one shots if you hit the head but

lunar hollow
olive ember
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for reliability I typically soften mutants up

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surge and trauma can both soften a mutant up enough for one shots with illisi iirc

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probably voidstrike as well, purge is a bit more E cuz of its range

potent echo
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yea i did one brain burst while its far, then 1 illisi HS when close works too

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but thats super low pressure situation

late musk
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blessed emprah please give me some good rolls

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olive ember
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pray for flurry nexus

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and probably flak/maniac or flak/unyielding

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crit chance aint bad too

near wyvern
olive ember
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he hasn't responded in 15 min so

late musk
olive ember
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for maulers and flak ragers

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also helps with flak shooters if you AB with the staff out

late musk
olive ember
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I'm ngl, if you are using 3 full charges to kill a mutant you should just melee it instead

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what melee weapon are you using actually

late musk
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Caxe

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Same build as my zealot

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BR + Decimator

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So far I'm enjoying it

olive ember
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you can kill a mutant with like 4 swings with caxe

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lmb spam

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but yeah I would highly not recommend using the purge on mutants

feral inlet
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is executor an alright pick? i keep fucking getting it over and over again

olive ember
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I mean

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its

feral inlet
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i havent seen unstable power in ages

olive ember
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not the worst

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@spice veldt reee

lunar hollow
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the thing is you're not really getting repeated weakspot hits enough for it to matter

olive ember
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I don't touch deimos

late musk
lunar hollow
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since the optimal headshot combo breaks executor's chain

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l1 -> h2 reset

feral inlet
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the game hates me

lunar hollow
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f

olive ember
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big rip

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I mean 3 full charges on purge isn't that fast is what I'm saying

late musk
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@olive ember what are you running?

olive ember
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Depends on what I feel like tbh

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I guess my go to loadout rn is trauma illisi

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purge obscures/deimos

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sometimes surge illisi

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rashad on my zealot tho so yeah

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But yeah with flak you can kill mauler and flak rager packs with like one full charge

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idr what its like without flak

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its basically a thing that goes back to the flamer nerfs where they nerfed burn and soulblaze modifier against flak

late musk
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Eh my main focus is to takeout specialists on hi-shock anyways

olive ember
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huh

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have you tried the deimos?

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its the thammer of the psykers

late musk
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Nah I'll stick to caxe since I've got all IV blessings unlocked

zealous sierra
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I thought shoving with the sword uses stamina

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Why it keeps causing me to blow up at 100%

late musk
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Force sword is a warp push iirc

olive ember
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force swords push "attack" have peril gain

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the actual push doesn't

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the only problem is that the "push" on the force sword is a stun, and the actually shove is actually the push attack

viscid matrix
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what should i be looking for in curios? besides health

olive ember
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sniper res/ gunner res/toughness/hp

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extra ordo dockets if you like gambling, revive speed is eh but its not bad, idr what else you can get

late musk
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I once made an all stam build with Cknife. Was pretty funny being a psyker able to block/shove against hordes and chaos spawn indefinitely. Don't do this

viscid matrix
olive ember
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kinda meh

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they aren't bad

late musk
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There is that feat where your warp charges can reduce ability cooldown by 12% per charge so...

viscid matrix
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does toughness regen make the feat that gives toughness regen on warp gain better?

olive ember
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pretty sure its just coherency regen

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@spice veldt wake up and be helpful reee

spice veldt
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only coherency regen

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does not affect any other source of toughness

olive ember
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thx thumbsup_ogryn

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he woke up

viscid matrix
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so Toughness, Health and gunner/sniper resists

zealous sierra
olive ember
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they do?

spice veldt
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the force sword's push-attack is a single-target stagger that generates 4% peril

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unlike the push-attacks of other melee weapons which deal damage

olive ember
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oh yeah btw @spice veldt

spice veldt
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yeah I saw that

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and go find somebody else to drag into arguments

lunar hollow
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he's not smart enough to reply himself

olive ember
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I mean

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why would I reply to that

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smh I post the latest and greatest from psyker chat

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and I get shit on for it

regal jasper
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I cant sleep

north pike
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Does Unstable Power have stacks ? or is it really just 5% power ?

feral inlet
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it has stacks

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4 stacks

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so max power from it at t4 is 20%

north pike
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Ah, so 20% much nicer

feral inlet
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while at 80% peril or higher

olive ember
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if you don't like deflector its typically the 2nd pick after slaughterer

thorn tapir
# olive ember

I will say that when I bring Illisi and 20 crushers run out of a door coming for my butt im kinda like... ok. vet? VET?? I NEED SOME HELP HERE! xD

olive ember
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yeah at that point it rly depends on loadout

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tho I pair the illisi with surge or trauma staff so typically crusher spam isn't the worst

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I don't kill em that quickly but I'm also not in any particular danger

thorn tapir
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I main gunpsyker

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so for crushers Im limited to BB if I take illisi.

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I just like it, its fun. Infinite shoves and slides is neat for zooming around.

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Ive honestly been thinking of crafting a dueling saber to mess around with those FAT dodges.

naive sedge
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Powered illisi is fine against crushers

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Just make sure to swing from max range

thorn tapir
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its more for groups thats hard

cerulean cave
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Might be an unpopular opinion but I've never seen the point in gunpsyker once you are max lvl and can roll for good staves

mellow gorge
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picks wizard class with access to wizard stuff

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uses gun anyway

cerulean cave
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IMO you're just hindering the ones that are actually skilled to use guns and objectively get more value from them, by taking ammo

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When you could use a staff

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.>

naive sedge
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Because staves are slow and specific in their use?

cerulean cave
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Then get better with melee

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Psyker is an allrounder

naive sedge
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Because Psyker has a whole bunch of dmg feats so it uses guns just fine

mellow gorge
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staves each have a use, tehy dont do everything, that is intended, the problem right now is that there are guns that dont have downsides

cerulean cave
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Ammo

naive sedge
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Just don't shoot trash

cerulean cave
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Wanna go pew pew as Psyker, just use voidstrike.

safe crystal
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To quote a wise man

mellow gorge
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ammo isnt really a downside, depending on weapon and class

safe crystal
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Just get better with melee

naive sedge
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Illusi is one of the best trash clearers

safe crystal
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Ammo isnt an issue

mellow gorge
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get good enough with melee and you can do similar work with a deimos

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wait we've circled around

safe crystal
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Wowee, never thought ammo issues could be solved by melee

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Who would'

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ve thunk

cerulean cave
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Honestly though. You're throwing away the insane utility you could get from staves. Be it stun locking, crowd control or elite snipes to use a gun with ammo... Just play vet with powersword.

safe crystal
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Which staff specifically snipes elites better than a gun?

cerulean cave
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Dunno I don't use voidstrike

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I use surge

naive sedge
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Voidstike is terrible

mellow gorge
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BB is the best sniper wdym

safe crystal
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VS takes 2 hits minimum on a headshot to kill a shotgunner

thorn tapir
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I'll tell you why gunpsyker is actually decent. its about flexibility and ttk on specials (mostly cause autopistol is op). the psykers force swords and low stamina regen delay make the psyker potentially the best pure melee combatant in the game. conbined with the mobility of auto pistol you become extremely fast and evasive, which is a fun playstyle. then cerebral lacerations pairs very very well with bb. for example bb a reaver and quick swap to pistol. or if your free bb is up you can just spray anything even bosses down to activate the +25% damage taken debuff while bursting really hard. you just become a great clutch character that can solo anything.

naive sedge
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The breakpoint for a scab shooter is about 3/4 of the way up the cahrgebar

safe crystal
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The only thing staffs do better than guns is CC, outside of needing ammo which is most of the time a non-issue unless you have several roombas on your team

thorn tapir
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you have a tool for every enemy type while also just having fun with infinite dodge/ shove and utility. i take the double warp charge talent for as much up time on free stagger which is a great panic button

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staves are great but they trade damage for utility and i like to just gun down 6 specials in 6 seconds.

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you cab do things like if you don't have time to reload rely on bb to finish a pack of specials and fluidly weave between all 3 methods of killing based in range and ttk.

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i also like that i can regen toughness without relying on coherence at all

cerulean cave
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I've just seen my surge come in clutch too many times while a gunpsyker gets absolutely wrecked, entirely refusing to use melee...

thorn tapir
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on auric that's really important

cerulean cave
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Same for some vets

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That forget they have a melee weapon

mellow gorge
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imo, play vet then. with luck , the balance pass coming with the class revamp kills off the problem weapons eating the meta, or rather the problem blessings

thorn tapir
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that doesn't really sound like a critique of gunpsyker or vets.

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that's a problem with players.

cerulean cave
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Oh it was an opinion

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Sorry if that wasn't clear

lunar hollow
thorn tapir
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the average auric damnation player is honestly better than that

cerulean cave
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It's just my take

thorn tapir
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fair haha

cerulean cave
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It's my opinion that if you want to play like this, you could just as well or better even do it on zealot/vet

thorn tapir
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i will say that the randoms in auric tend to be fairly decent honestly. only need 2 good players to clear quickly anyway

cerulean cave
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Not saying there's not people being amazing at this

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Like...

lunar hollow
thorn tapir
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vet doesn't have the same stamina mechanic so you literally can't play the way gunpsyker plays on vet

lunar hollow
cerulean cave
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I got my ass carried by a knife zealot on auric maelstrom this week. The dude dragged a horde+maulers+big boys around the entire map, after soloing a daemon host. Only to pull us all up.

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So "off meta" can definitely work

thorn tapir
mellow gorge
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i fervently pray that talent dies with the revamp

lunar hollow
# cerulean cave So "off meta" can definitely work

anything works insofar as the game doesn't bar you from completing it with a bad loadout, yeah, but if someone can carry you with shit weapons in most cases you wouldnt even end up in the bad situation if they were running better stuff

naive sedge
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Autopistol psyker with toughness regeneration blessing, and peril block deflection kinda can tank a huge quantity of shooters

lunar hollow
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like a lot of the time running bad stuff vs running the meta comes down to how fast you clear games

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but that matters mostly on the hardest difficulty settings and beyond that its unimportant

thorn tapir
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its pretty sweet but you have to use cover and dodge

cerulean cave
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Running solo all mission

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Went down the most times of us all

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But he still brought us through

thorn tapir
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my goal is also to go hitless most runs. like i actively get frustrated if i take a single hit

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lol

naive sedge
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Was that Enemy spelt with a weird font? He does that

thorn tapir
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usually my first point of damage taken is a squad wipe lol

naive sedge
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Knife zealot

cerulean cave
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Don't remember tbh

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Was a 3 letter name

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But I'm also playing on EU so

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Best part. The first of us that went down Rage quit. Mid this knife zealot's "show" we get another zealot as bot replacement.

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a second knife zealot

primal aurora
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Hello. I haven't played the game for some time and after returning I see new shiny Force sword V. Is it new best sword? Seems great with force cleave and horizontal swing. Are there any downsides or drastic differences from other force swords?

cerulean cave
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The Illinois or what it's called is pretty good, yes

naive sedge
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No real downsides

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Except you can't do cool feeling one hit kills against solo elited

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But how often does that happen in damnation?

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Only after you've dealt with the rest of the pack

primal aurora
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Not a fan of Damnation. At least not now

wise lodge
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is the purg staff the best at horde clearing ?

rugged fiber
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In my opinion yes. Though illisi is also really good at it

primal aurora
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what is illisi ?

wise lodge
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a force sword

primal aurora
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oh, I thought there is a new staff too

naive sedge
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Haha nope

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We are fatsharks least favorite child

cerulean cave
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Well maybe that will change next month

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Ngl off the top of my head, it also seems a lot more challenging to make more staff variations than guns.
Though I guess different variations of the current staves might be nice? Like a surge staff that sacrifices some of it's stun locking capabilities for more damage or something like that

mellow gorge
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There are actually a ton of warp powers available to psykers, the issue is how to balance and fit them into a game.

cerulean cave
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Oh yea I am honestly hoping that there will be different combat abilities with the new skill tree

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Not just BB

mellow gorge
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My hope is that be get a dedicated fire path

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I don't remember them off the top of my head, but there are more than a few warp fire based psyker abilities

cerulean cave
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Yea I mean you can already do that somewhat well with a soul laze build

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But having the option to double down on that playstyle even more would indeed be dope

mellow gorge
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The real question is, how will thr game play when pysker stops being the Jack of all

cerulean cave
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Tho I am a massive sucker for stun locks and the absolute kick it is to see lightning arc through waves of elites, incapacitating them to be gunned down by your mates.

mellow gorge
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It'll be interesting to see how builds develop, what "meta" sets in

mellow gorge
cerulean cave
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Also the ability to stun an entire group of gunners, through just one of them being out of cover

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And one shotting them with a full charge

mellow gorge
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Of the 4 classes psyker is the only one that interests me chnage wise. I mostly played vet and ogryn, and frankly neither are hard enough or require enough brain effort in their current state

cerulean cave
mellow gorge
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Ogryn has a difficulty that kinda..isn't difficult? It had a clear skill gap for sure but it's you really just end up being a vet with a different focus

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Mind you that it tied heavily to the weapons you take on yhr big guy. Meanwhile I've neverek liked zealot.

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Staves however are so different from each other with so much weirdness between them that it adds a ton of fun factor to the game.

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Curious to see how much we are allowed to dip into support vs damage

cerulean cave
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Definitely, since right now... Psyker can just do it all.

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I'd honestly not mind having some sort of downsides, for going an Allrounder build as it is right now, while doubling down on either support or damage would make you more specialised

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But like... Surge, force sword/combat axe. You have pen, heavies for single target, sweeps for hordes, bb for snipes, F for crowd control and MFKING LIGHTNING for stun locks.

primal aurora
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Different kinds of staves more balanced now? Void for damage, Surge for control?

cerulean cave
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And honestly something I never understood. Psyker in melee feels A LOT better than Zealot.

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Like. Sure Zealot has all these passives and whatnot

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But just the pure feel of being amidst a horde? Prefer Psyker any day.

cerulean cave
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I've never gotten into voidstrike nor trauma

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And purge... Just play zealot. The flamer feels better.

primal aurora
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What about bullet blocking sword, is it worth it now?

cerulean cave
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my opinion

cerulean cave
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I'ma you don't need the bullet blocking sword with surge staff, cause you just need to target one gunner out of cover, to stun the entire group

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And a good enough staff 1 shots gunners even on Damnation

primal aurora
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Yeah, I don't get how people play with Purge staff that well. I see other psykers obliterating hordes with it, but when I use it I feel like enemies just ignore the flames.

empty onyx
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What's the go-to stuff for the Force Swords?
I got an Illisi with native 5% crit and thinking of making that into a Blazing Spirit Weapon.
I have these two to work with atm.

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cerulean cave
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I personally hate how unreliable it's stagger is

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One time it works insanely well

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And when you're low af, it doesn't work and the pox walker charging amidst a horde blows you to bits.

cerulean cave
primal aurora
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Force sword IV is for killing heavies? Or just in general?

cerulean cave
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It sounds good and would definitely look good

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Dunno how viable it actually is tho

cerulean cave
empty onyx
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I'm mostly wondering if I should keep Deflector on the Illisi and replace the Elite with Flak or something, or toss Deflector for more Critchance via Shred. Or Slaughterer for just more damage.

naive sedge
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It's barely even a question.

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It's slaughterer

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And everything else is irrelevant

cerulean cave
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I'd replace elite with flak yea

thorn tapir
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why does it have infested Dx

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I'm hoping blazing spirit has some synergies with the new tree

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its fun to turn things blue remove slaughterer please

fresh reef
potent echo
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make sienna flame sword again

cerulean cave
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Still a great sword, but... This greatness is accompanied by pain.

thorn tapir
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yea 😦

cerulean cave
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I still have yet to roll any new stuff on my Psyker. I'm constantly low on dockets and currently rather enjoying levelling my Vet

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So I'm just sticking to my Antax+surge loadout

thorn tapir
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can't go wrong with the axe

cerulean cave
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Well

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The other one with Brutal Momentum is better than the Antax

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I just can't get used to the forcepush of the force swords ngl

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It feels laughable compared to the combat axe's push>sweep

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I also pride myself in my ~360° axe sweeps

hidden crystal
# cerulean cave It feels laughable compared to the combat axe's push>sweep

The FS push attack has absolutely huge stagger.

Although Crushers can't be kept constantly staggered (when knocked down, they gain stagger immunity that lasts a bit longer than it takes them to get back up), it does buy time when an entire patrol of them is coming at you.

It can also reliably interrupt most attacks that normally wouldn't be blockable.

cerulean cave
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Everything else: surge staff

primal aurora
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Do I wait for a blue sword with good perks in the shop or buy grey ones and upgrade it?

hidden crystal
naive sedge
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Only generate garbage greys when you are easily banging out auric missions and have easy 500000 to spare

cerulean cave
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I really need to save up dockets... The temptation to throw them on my head in brunts' lottery is too tempting

hidden crystal
cerulean cave
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It's also problematic when being surrounded

hidden crystal
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I tend to spam pushes if I do get surrounded, as it keeps your block up and stubs light enemies enough to reposition. (Also very useful when reviving in the middle of a horde, as you can drop several pushes once you're done to give the player more time to get their bearings/change weapons/etc).

But as far as the heavies, I tend to go with dodge>charge>heavy rather than pushing. Gotta make use of those infinite dodges somewhere.

cerulean cave
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True, the unlimited dodges are definitely good, but still. So long as you have good dps mates, I'd rather rely on surge's stun lock. Can even go stunlock>swap>charged heavy, if they're already low or your teammates are currently busy behind you or something.

Fswords are definitely dope and props to anyone that's good with them. I've just come to terms with the fact that they're not for me.

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It's also yet another source of peril, which bashes with my go-to perk of peril blocking

willow escarp
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I’d try them when you’re not using surge

hidden crystal
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I'm almost always in pub groups, so no expectations can be made about the rest of the team actually dealing with anything you've stunned.

hidden crystal
naive sedge
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Cheeky rezzes inhordes

empty onyx
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MFW you lose the round because a Crusher somehow managed to sneak up on you.

exotic tulip
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surge staff unarmored or flak

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as a 25% bonus, copy and pasted what I googled

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But it feels like it does well on flak but can kill quite a lot more with the bonus

primal aurora
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So, I got this from stock armory grey Force Sword mk V by upgrading. Is it good?

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hidden crystal
# naive sedge Cheeky rezzes inhordes

There's a couple of times I've pulled it off with ragers flailing at me. They would've eventually broken my block, but I still pulled off the revive before they could.

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(Testing it in the psykanium, a single dreg rager can never break my block. Enough Peril and Stamina recovers during the downtime in their attacks).

cerulean cave
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Like. With the right blessings and good quell speed, you can stun lock whatever it is you're targeting long enough for even the most potato-aimed vet to do something about it

hidden crystal
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(Two can eventually, but using my ult to vent peril, I can actually infinitely tank up to three, as it takes them long enough to break through that it's already recharged).

naive sedge
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That will see you fine until the next patch

cerulean cave
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It's certainly a banger sword and you could even swap that 20% and the crit for something else, still

hidden crystal
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The modifiers are good, but the perks and riposte aren't great.

cerulean cave
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It's unmodified in the screenshot right?

naive sedge
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Replace carapace with flak maybe

hidden crystal
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As a psyker, you'll likely be BBing any carapace or unyielding enemies anyway. If you're going to keep one though, I'd say keep unyielding. Hitting bosses with a sword isn't too uncommon.

wise lodge
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bbing ?

cerulean cave
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Right bosses count as unyielding.

thorn tapir
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brain burst

cerulean cave
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Brain bursting

wise lodge
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oh right

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we like to explode heads

cerulean cave
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I honestly keep forgetting which enemy type counts as which so I usually just open however many builds I can find using X weapon and then use the perks that most put on that weapon xD

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Only thing that sticks is that cara is basically only crushers

primal aurora
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Thanks

hidden crystal
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I looked at carapace enemies the other day, and it takes my Illisi just over four charged heavies to the head to take down a Crusher with WU and WB, so it's not a great way to take them down. Kinetic Barrage is much faster.

And with Maulers, just aim for body shots, you don't need to get through their carapace helms.

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So not a great carapace weapon, so unyielding is a better one to keep, even if it's a lower tier.

cerulean cave
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Yea then for sure flak instead of cara

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If it wasn't such a good roll I'd say put soulblaze on it and keep riposte xD

hidden crystal
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Other than that, keep Slaughterer, and the standard choices for the second blessing slot tend to be either Unstable Power or Deflector depending on taste.

naive sedge
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Maybe even keep one mod unused until we know ehats happening next patch

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No rush

hidden crystal
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Unstable Power can help hit breakpoints on the cleave, Deflector is a good utility defence option.

naive sedge
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Deflector is also fun

hidden crystal
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Indeed. You can actually use a Deflector>Kinetic Deflection>Quietitude chain to use incoming gunfire to recharge your toughness.

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Even vets can't claim to gain toughness from being shot at.

near wyvern
naive sedge
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So does anyone with inspiring barrage!

acoustic osprey
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shout out to pskyers making it easier to shoot targets

grizzled jasper
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Glowing heads means priority target

cerulean cave
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You're the reason all Psykers suffer from Vet-Phobia

olive ember
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All my rando vets just fail at powerswording poxwalker hordes

clear hamlet
cerulean cave
clear hamlet
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I guess I'm cursed then, cause I never not aim at heads 💀

thorn tapir
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i literally don't care if vets kill my bb target

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if you can kill it faster that's that much better

olive ember
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I mean if I have to BB I tilt at my vets for failing me

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So basically every game

naive sedge
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Uhhhhh?

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maybe keep to low dififculties then?

unique burrow
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I had a vet help me melee a big poxwalker horde until there was only a dozen left so that he could finally pull out his bolter and magdump them without getting hit

broken carbon
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literally me

steel flame
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I WANT ONE GAME

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one game where im not rubber banding

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FATSHARK FIX YOUR GODDAM SERVERS

mellow gorge
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No i dont think I will

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FS probably

royal wraith
broken carbon
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meme build?

idle aurora
# royal wraith

Get infinite peril with this simple trick, warp demons HATE HIM

olive ember
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@spice veldt yo for kinetic shield is it based on warp charges or peril still

near wyvern
olive ember
spice veldt
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peril

rugged fiber
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Me : reached level 100,
Meanwhile others: level 1000

olive ember
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the discord are full of the no lifes of darktide

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like literally thousands of hours on darktide stg

rugged fiber
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me and my little 150hours

olive ember
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don't worry

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in game hours doesn't translate to skill

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theres a correlation but if hours translated to skill than I should be global in csgo instead of silver smh

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3k hours and I'm still silver ;-;

indigo portal
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Sometimes your level doesn't even translate to skill because there are some Psykanium goblins that spend more time doing weird goblin activities instead of playing the game.

thorn cedar
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dont talk about crab like that

indigo portal
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No he graduated to Psykanium Wizard.

olive ember
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crabs a playtester now

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but he wont leak the deets smh

spice veldt
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tbf you don't get any levels from staying in the psykhanium

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i have like 1.6k hours but only 1k levels on psyker

olive ember
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how do you have 1.6k hours in darktide

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its like

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its darktide

spice veldt
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i like the game

idle aurora
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Imo game sense and general situation awareness is more important in darktide, especially if you play something like purg build where left click in general direction goes brrrr

olive ember
spice veldt
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i'm glad that i'm a psyker main so that I can complain about what my psyker teammates are doing wrong correctly

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mfing purg psykers who either exclusively LMB or exclusively RMB

olive ember
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which one is worse

indigo portal
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Both have use cases.

spice veldt
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both are terrible

olive ember
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but whats more terrible smh

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question dodger

spice veldt
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i dunno

olive ember
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I feel like rmb only is more useful

spice veldt
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i'm dodging the question because I don't know

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LMB is nice for pushing the map and staggering

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RMB is nice for hordes

olive ember
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but fuck me I hard tilted when I had a psyker try to push a dog off me by purge rmb'ing

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he stood there, did a full charge of rmb, and then full spray of rmb

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and the dog was just eating me for half my health in corruption

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I hard tilted at that point

indigo portal
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I bet it killed the dog though.

spice veldt
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but I had a purg psyker who just did not RMB in my last game, so they didn't really put a dent into the hordes

olive ember
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don't you wish I was the purge psyker smh

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I should bring surge staff one of these days

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an see how it goes in auric maelstrom

idle aurora
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I hate that left click on flamer consistently can stagger a buster but left click from purg is a dice roll, and sometimes i eat the explosion

olive ember
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also

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is it me

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or is that staff just going to be the surge staff

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but in vermintide

indigo portal
rugged fiber
thorn cedar
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purgatus doesnt run into the issue of "oh i have an ammo pool" like the flamer does

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so like, it's a pretty easy formula in my head

idle aurora
thorn cedar
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dense groups get the hose, loose heretics get the lefty, anything that needs staggering also gets the lefty

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but on the flamer, you just right click for five/six counts of ammo and then go back to left click

olive ember
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purge excels at melting everything that isn't an ogryn mutant or boss

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but yeah its stagger is a bit iffy

thorn cedar
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i sincerely wish

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that purgatus had an equivalent to the flamer's fan the flames

olive ember
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I mean i mostly use the lmb for stagger to close gaps

thorn cedar
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because i dont think the crit blessing is actually that impressive, but there's nothing else to put on it anyway

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i'd wanna maximize its utility instead of its damage

olive ember
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eh the crit blessing is god because a crit give two stacks of burn

thorn cedar
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which saves you like ...

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.2/300 milliseconds in kill time

olive ember
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which makes it rly good at putting extra stacks on ragers+ imo

thorn cedar
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it's super inconsequential

spice veldt
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it's also only 20% crit chance at high peril

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even with purg's double stack application, the blessing is pretty nothing burgers

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you only take it because there's no better option

thorn cedar
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yea exactly

olive ember
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i stg if arco starts suggesting focused channeling on purge

thorn cedar
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it's not actually good, it's that terrifying barrage is a meme

spice veldt
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focused channeling babyyyyyyyyy

thorn cedar
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i mean focused channeling is good ...

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... if ur a BADDY

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hahaaaa laugh at arco

olive ember
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skill issue blessing

spice veldt
thorn cedar
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but really it is good

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it sucks to get poked, we all do make mistakes

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and lose all your flurry stacks

olive ember
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I mean theres aint much else that is even worth mentioning

spice veldt
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basically just zealot's TWBS but at home

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so I quite enjoy it

olive ember
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@spice veldt you should rly try a crit blaze trauma

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like try it out for a couple games

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run an AB build with it

spice veldt
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no

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i don't even use my trauma that much

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i'm more of an illisi main than I am a trauma main

thorn cedar
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maybe one day ill get hit in the head and start to love trauma

golden frigate
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blaze trauma good

thorn cedar
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i just cant vibe with that staff

spice veldt
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yeah i only like the trauma because I think it's the better out of the 4

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i am dropping the trauma once a single-target option comes out

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i'm also considering just using the purg

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so that I can dunk on bad purgatus psykers

olive ember
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Self proclaimed psyker main with 1000 levels refuses to try a meta staff build smh

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Oh yeah no I want a single target staff too ngl

spice veldt
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depends on how they'll change the difficulty and whatnot in the future though

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since the things that currently will kill a game are mainly specials and monsters

olive ember
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Surge is actually decent on a melee build I feel like

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Good at gap closing cuz it’s rly ez to quickly stun the 5 closest enemies

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A lot easier and more peril efficient than trauma atleast imo

spice veldt
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also not as good at dense packs

olive ember
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Well yes but illisi

spice veldt
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and non-deterministic targeting

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the illisi has a high cleave, but it's not infinite

olive ember
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I guess so but I typically find being able to rag doll the 5 closest gunners/shooters more useful than needing to CC a specific enemy in the back line

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Also reapers because for wte reason I find trauma CC on ogryns inconsistent as fuck

spice veldt
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trauma can interrupt their volleys for a moment

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and it does this in a 16 diameter circle

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at least, it's good enough for enabling me to melee

olive ember
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I mean I melee with both staves so yeah

spice veldt
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..........

olive ember
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I melee with everything actually

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Besides purge staff

spice veldt
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the point is that trauma is a better enabler for it, though trauma can also mitigate the need to melee

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or at the very least, a more generalist enabler for melee

olive ember
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Gotta screw around with it more tho I don’t play darktide enough anymore feelsbad

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Just thinking about the randoms ruins my motivation lmao

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Oh most importantly I use AB with trauma and KB with surge

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And I like KB better 😛

thorn cedar
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i only use staff melee

golden frigate
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blazing trauma melee attack good

gusty furnace
thorn cedar
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well it doesnt have an ammo count so ... i dont think it'd work

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heck we kinda already have blaze away

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Warp Charges and Warp Unleashed

glacial nest
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Overpressure on purgatus, accept it just does nothing.

nimble bolt
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Can you get Deflector Tier 4? I have Tier 2 but never seen higher

mossy surge
spice veldt
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though the difference between deflector tiers is not that much

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and something that the description leaves out is that the block cost reduction only applies to ranged attacks in particular

hidden crystal
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It might hit some useful breakpoints on exactly how much incoming fire you can tank if you've stacked other bonuses, but you'll still need Kinetic Deflection and a Stamina curio for it to be anything more than a very brief shield.

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As is, with those bonuses, my sword with T1 Deflector can almost tank a full Scab gunner or Reaper volley at Damn (a little evasion makes it fine), and probably would with T4 Deflector, but without the big buffs to how much you can block, it'll just be a few shots.

gusty furnace
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go grab it

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shows you what blessings you're missing at hadron rebless menu

slow raven
spice veldt
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using it to sprint-slide into ranged enemies

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since getting hit by ranged attacks while sprinting always staggers you

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so focused channeling prevents that

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or if you're an idiot like me who doesn't take any stamina or kinetic deflection, a focused channeling trauma is really nice for bailing me out of 3 ragers that descend upon me out of nowhere

slow raven
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so when youre getting hit or shot you switch to the staff, start channeling, then sprint+slide away?

spice veldt
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i don't use it to retreat but that works

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it also stops the knockback from gunners/reapers

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it's mostly so that I don't get knocked out of attempts to sprint-slide

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since that alleviates the pain of ranged combat with force staffs

slow raven
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im trying it out in psykanium

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if i channel first then my sprint slide is slow and doesnt go that far

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if i sprint first then sometimes i get stun locked

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seems like a neat interaction though, i started using twbs on my zealot recently and it's great, would be cool to do something similar on psyker

spice veldt
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usually while channeling

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since i'm typically using my trauma to engage with ranged patrols if it's not safe to dive them or they're too far

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sometimes i'll just fight them with the trauma and just sprint perpendicularly, or if I want to get close, I sprint-slide towards them

slow raven
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alright ill try that

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what's the other blessing you run with this?

spice veldt
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warp flurry on trauma

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rending shockwave is too niche in pub games (and requires communication), and premades are probably going to have anti-armor options anyways

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so process of elimination leaves warp flurry

nimble bolt
fringe tangle
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I wonder how long the Psyker bubble shield is going to stay up for, I hope it has a decent uptime. Would also be cool if it had an upgrade that deflected gunfire back into the enemies.

dawn crypt
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What are the ideal perks for the Trauma staff?

potent echo
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Ideally damage stat alone should let you one shot commons

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You could take carapace and maniac but it doesn't do that much damage to crushers and ragers in the first place

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You should take crit chance if you are running blaze trauma, other than that anything really

spice veldt
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i prefer +unarmoured and +flak

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since you won't one-shot dreg bruisers (450 hp) without warp unleashed and/or warp battery and/or enough damage%

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flak is for the usual flak elites as well as two-shotting dreg gunners with full charges

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if you do run warp battery/warp unleashed and have enough damage%, then you can replace +unarmoured with whatever

dawn crypt
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Either I do Unarmored or Flak

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Unfortunately this is still bricked since it doesnt have Rending Shockwave

obsidian girder
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since i have the resources, should i try and get another roll from hadron?

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also isnt rending shockwave useless on trauma staff since it penetrates armor anyway

potent echo
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Rending is for your team, which means lasgun vet will actually do damage to the crusher he is shooting KEKW_ogryn

potent echo
dawn crypt
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Otherwise u use flurry and Transfer peril

obsidian girder
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i c

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thanks

dawn crypt
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Get a feel for what you like best

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But Surge without the extra crit chance to support it barely procs

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Ive tried it before and didnt like it

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Personally i use

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upper galleon
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not worht taking 5% crit perk

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not at all

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nexus is good cause it's one of the few blessings that increase your dps

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but you can take flak, maniac, even carapaced or unarmored

dawn crypt
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This is my old one and its garbage

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Also have this one, which i can roll both blessings to Surge + nexus but as you can see, I dont have rank 4 nexus

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Its really not easy to get staff blessings. You either: 1) wait day after day of melk shop to buy the blessing with marks. 2) wait for the hourly brunt shop for a template with 370+ base good rolls and upgrade it to extract the blessing. 3) spend a ton of dockets to buy grey quality and upgrade a bunch to fish for rank 4 blessings to extract lol. 3rd option is the fastest but worst cost value

spice veldt
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2 full hp bosses 🥲

potent echo
#

Will psykers finally get their big boss killing thrust weapons one day

royal wraith
dawn crypt
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but ur still better off brain bursting

potent echo
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Yea

near wyvern
near wyvern
dawn crypt
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i mean the poke + poke

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light poke heavy poke

near wyvern
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That's L1H2

dawn crypt
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ok ya tahts what i mean

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not the downward slash

potent echo
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Make it two handed and we can talk, fatshark fatshark

dawn crypt
potent echo
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If by staff melee you mean like elden ring where a magical blade forms at the tip of the the staff then yes

royal wraith
gilded radish
#

a hand trophy

digital loom
grizzled jasper
languid tusk
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is block efficiency worth it with deflector ?

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right now I have it everywhere, should i switch it for something else ?

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(3x curios + on the sword itself)

hidden crystal
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What else are you running it with?

digital loom
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i dont run block perk on deimos

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i find the 42% or whatever with curio+deflector is enough

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lets me block in emergencies vs anything for long enough to recover

languid tusk
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Usually I would run without peril block and +5% thoughness in place of block efficiency on curios

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but since i got myself a deflector sword i decided to go all in on it

hidden crystal
languid tusk
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I suspect there is a cap

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Like i block a hit from a poxwalker i get 5% peril

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that seems like way too much peril

hidden crystal
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If it's multiplicative, it's kind of self capping.

languid tusk
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how much peril do you get when you block a hit from a moaner ? if you also get 5% im going to drop the 20% perk on the sword

hidden crystal
spice veldt
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yeah block efficiency is multiplicative

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kinetic deflection is 4 times your max stamina

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assuming a weapon with a block cost of 1 (e.g., the groaner deals 1 bar of stamina) and 3 max stamina, you'd expect to gain 1/(3 * 4) = 8.33% peril per hit

hidden crystal
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I suppose if one wanted to go nuts, 3x +3 Stamina Curios, +1 Stamina on the sword, Block Efficiency everywhere, Inner Tranquillity, Kinetic Deflection and Warp Battery.

I think that would work out to a total equivalent block of about 173 bars against melee, and 195 bars against range.

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Of course, some things still completely bypass that, but then this was never a sensible build.

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Oh yeah, possibly some Stamina Regen too.

cyan notch
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do mauler overheads still hit through 100% toughness?

hidden crystal
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(And Block Bypass)

cyan notch
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lame

hidden crystal
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Eh, it was daft that you could get smacked in the head by a Crusher and take no HP damage because your toughness was full; powerful attacks shouldn't be 100% soaked by a full toughness bar.

cyan notch
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should be documented in patch notes too

worldly iron
gusty furnace
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what's a good illisi

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Slaughterer and Unstable Power?

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Deflector for funee bullet memes?

lunar hollow
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slaughterer + unstable/bloodthirsty/deflector

gusty furnace
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Shred+Blazing Spirit looks hilarious

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though not particularly useful

lunar hollow
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bloodthirsty has some utility for extra single target, but isn't all too helpful

cerulean cave
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example of someone's Illisi. Basically perfect

image.png
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just needs cara and riposte swapped

gusty furnace
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Yeah, unyielding seems like a no-brainer

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dunno about second perk

cerulean cave
gusty furnace
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yeah but carapace swapped to what

cerulean cave
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flak instead of cara

gusty furnace
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yeah that makes sense

cerulean cave
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and unstable or deflector instead of riposte

gusty furnace
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Can we just remove flak and maniac as perks already

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+Specialist +Elite are smart perk designs

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+Flak +Maniac are incredibly dumb

cerulean cave
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feedback, I guess?

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"eYO. Perk design is hella dumb right now!"

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I agree, btw

gusty furnace
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I dunno that I like any of the staffs though.

cerulean cave
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surge supremacy

gusty furnace
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Trauma is stupidly clunky to use

Voidstrike breaks my FPS

Flame staff doubles up on the job of illisi

Electro-staff is great to have as a teammate, but I'd hate using it myself

hidden crystal
gusty furnace
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Sometimes you just don't have the room or time to BB a boss though

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Slug, absolutely.

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But plogryn and chaos spawn are RUDE

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CS moreso, than plogryn

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I could solo a plogryn in my sleep

plucky flax
gusty furnace
#

you're not really dive-bombing maniacs as veteran or psyker

hidden crystal
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They come to you often enough.

broken carbon
royal wraith
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charged hit does around 900 iirc

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(staff is purgatus so no anti crowd need)

broken carbon
#

the obscurus is the worst of the 3 force swords

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if you want to use it you can but

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deimos has better damage, even without having to use the charge attack

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and illisi has incredible crowd control

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and they both can do single target/crowd well enough

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and excorcist wouldn’t really be useful ever,

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and it’d really only proc in noticeable amount in hordes

royal wraith
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Fair, i have a bunch of deimos' and illisis lying around as you probably saw, none of them gave this nice of a set yet, might scavenge uncanny strike from this one if i feel it doesnt perform

crude trout
#

heyaa, what weapon were buffs after the introduction of the chaos spawn?

gusty furnace
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Along with mutants

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Trappers and Flamers usually come with a cadre of "fuck you" making divebombing them without movement utility a gigantic pain in the ass

spice veldt
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trappers get brain bursted, but infinite dodges helps with flamers

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either way, without a gun, it's worth prioritizing +maniac even if it's just for mutants

hidden crystal
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If I could pick my perfect Illisi to my specification, +Maniac would probably be on there, but when I've got to pick and choose +Flak comes first (there's often enough of that when chopping your way through a mob, or if you have to engage shooters up close) and I'll tolerate any second perk that isn't wildly unuseful. (At present, my main Illisi has +Elites, which is at least a small boost versus both types of rager).

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Do psykers get a buff from grims?

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gusty furnace
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Its the literally everything else between you and the flamers

golden frigate
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also, if they don't die when closing in on you (be it by your hands or thanks to a teammate) and you dont move close to them to take them out, they are going to be a problem

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yeah, a special heavy of the illisi (or two) has had enough cleave for me

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I've never cared to test it, way too lazy, but can the illisi reach oneshot potential on flamers without +maniac?

strong tapir
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what blessings/perks should I go for on surge staff?

gusty furnace
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Psyker damage buffs? Definitely

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Unless headshot*

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Which isn't particularly hard

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Heavy 1 is super good for that

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Hell, you don't even need +maniac damage

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If you get the headshot

golden frigate
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yeah, headshotting is pretty trivial in most situations, completely agree

mellow glen
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Should I upgrade Nexus or change both perks? Thinking Flak/Unarmoured or Flak/Crit.

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this hurts my soul

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naive sedge
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its one slot guys! Let it go. Its still a good weapon

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The perfect is the enemy of the good

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naive sedge
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Can barely tell recon was buffed tbh

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I only run recon on my gunpsyker now lmao

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the mk6 is a perfect complement to flay enemies on demand

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aside from that gimmick its base performance leaves a lot wanting compared to vet alternatives

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potent echo
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Don't think so

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potent echo
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What the point of blood letter though, if you special something it's most likely going to die in the next 2 seconds

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Evis got a nerf to have a gap in horde bleed applications instead

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Bloodletting

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and evis had a unique niche of being able to bleed multiple enemies at once

crude trout
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so I take evis is still kind of bad?

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indigo portal
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take that up in reddit and you might cause a bit of a ruckus

indigo portal
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They can suck farts, do not care. I try to only use chain weapons, from experience the best one is Chaxe and it's because it gets carried by blessings and has the best rev, even then it's B tier imo.

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I like Devstrike chsword

crude trout
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yeah same

indigo portal
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Yeah, but that setup just turns it into a Dclaw lol. It's fun though.

naive sedge
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imma tellin you guys, until the +50% power blessings are knocked on the head, the average weapons will never get reasonable attention

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chaxe might have more damage potential (notably being actually able to hit headshots) but I hate the range on the axe more than anything

indigo portal
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hope they bundle some hard hitting rebalances together with patch 13

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I remember Power Cycler caused a mass salt exodus in my communities despite it being good for the game's health

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at least with a good enough content update people will find good alternatives to their old toys that get gutted

upper galleon
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Honestly good

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PC nerfed still left it the best weapon in vets arsenal and there is no fucking way you could buff every weapon to match

night violet
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Bought this from Melk, want to replace the 8% perk but idk what to replace terrifying barrage with, haven't played in a while

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fluid knot
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It just wasn't exactly a good time in the game stability and content pipeline and said decision ticked off players who were scraping by reasons to stick with the game

thorn cedar
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You don't have to stick with a game, lol

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It's like if your local football club is losing members but half of them are wearing steel cleats and are drop kicking the opposition during matches. Their removal is not a loss.

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thorn cedar
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That or you gotta desperately rebrand into Ultra-X-Treme Bloodball

fluid knot
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"Buff everything to be as good as PowerSword" was something i saw a lot of in here around those times, an that is just the most idiotic response to a balance issue someone could possibly muster

thorn cedar
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Yeah, why fix the one painfully out of line item when you could instead easily buff 76 other weapons to be up to par, so simple

fluid knot
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Yep. Totally doesnt mean the devs then have to buff all the PvE aswell to compensate for the increaased output on the weapons

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Really good use of dev time that is

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my initial point still stands that the nerf could have been more well received if the game was in a more polished state

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instead of players pointing fingers at a multitude of other frustrations in the game that could have been fixed instead of cycler

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(not saying its not one of them)

thorn cedar
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Not really though, not for these specific players

eternal cargo
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Broken weapons can only compensate to a certain degree.

I doubt many left because the nerf made the game too hard for them, but because they enjoyed the power trip.

It's just a shame so few weapons are viable at the highest level and/or lack that satisfying oomph.

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like I said, I know players who aren't stubborn skill-issue dipshits and have been ruffled with the ongoing antagonism between the devs and the playerbase

compact spindle
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I just had a match where everyone died because of a wave of nothing but ragers occurring during a fight with a plague ogryn lmfao

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It's not that there's zero legitimacy to crafting complaints in particular, but the ones crying over PC nerf specifically were essentially playing the wrong game from the start. Grinding hard to make an already broken weapon more broken by hyperfocusing on earning a T4 exclusive blessing and losing sight of everything else.

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The Power Sword itself was never nerfed here. Just that blessing. And people went insane, lol

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Do I feel pleasurable schadenfreude from their complaints? Yes. Do I feel for their loss as members of the player base? No.

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Damnation+ is meant to be a skill expression zone. We still have a handful of weapons/blessings which crater that (Pinning Fire). It's the same issue requiring the same resolution.

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Discussions regarding how bad or unfun crafting are are secondary to having such blessings be so ridiculous as to be seemingly mandatory for players who can't actually perform at higher level.

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thorn cedar
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In fact nerfing them is better for crafting in an indirect sense by making other options more viable, but Power Cycler was notable for being exclusively T4 on top of the rest.

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Yeah that cleave nerf was on launch.

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The PC nerf was just a PC nerf

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thorn cedar
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That's how you cultivate a game identity*

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You really think Auric Maelstroms would be fun right now with nothing but old Power Sword and Shredders galore?

feral inlet
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the pc wasnt a nerf it was a bug fix

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same with the thrust bug

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iirc

thorn cedar
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If you have neither you're just a dickless chump in the peanut gallery

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Nah PC was nerfed and separated into two tiers.

royal wraith
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@broken carbon to soothe your spirits

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thorn cedar
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5 > 3 and a Tier 3 with 2 swings

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elitism usually stems a lot from having a very constrained and narrow identity

thorn cedar
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Yes, like power swords and Shredders.

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there needs to be compromise and diplomacy in a healthy playerbase

thorn cedar
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No there doesn't.

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not more antagonism

thorn cedar
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This is a product. They own it.

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Where was the diplomacy in Blizzard deleting OW1 for 2?

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uh

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people aren't approving of that either y'know

thorn cedar
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It's almost like these are private properties owned by private companies and we only paid for admission. Although I guess you don't pay for OW2 anymore

feral inlet
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ow2?

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overwhelmingly negative 2?

eternal cargo
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I just wish blessings were made less important and base weapons got buffed accordingly.

A blessing shouldn't make or break a weapon.

thorn cedar
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Gooberwatch Zwei

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and now with Patch 13 coming forth with a whole bunch of changes I'm just saying its a good opportunity to strike hard with balancing now that the devs have garnered enough goodwill with content patches

thorn cedar
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Suffice to say I'm not interested in attempting to reconcile the shit emotional arguments people kept making in wanting to preserve a patently broken weapon + blessing combination because they spent a lot of time interacting with the worst part of the game to the detriment of every other player in their matches for a cheap thrill.

broken carbon
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Hedge wasn't either and look where that got him

grizzled jasper
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A better job? pogryn

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became a laughing stock and a rallying point for all the negative criticism of the game

thorn cedar
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Dude loved it.

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uh huh

thorn cedar
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Impotent G*mer rage is almost as good as cocaine.

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gusty furnace
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The most meaningless buff in the world.

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Kinda feels like el obesemegalodon is balancing fast fire weapons around theoretical DPS, not breakpoints.

The only weapon that actually works on is the SAP KEKW_ogryn And only because pinning fire exists

eternal cargo
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Brautos are technically sufficient rapid fire weapon(s) as well.

rugged fiber
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is gunpsyker viable ?

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like in auric etc

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yes

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for all crowd control you lose with staves you make up with in more ablaze value due to bigger chonkier hordes

eternal cargo
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Imagine if they release the medium and heavy autopistols without nerfing pinning fire

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and you still have a proper range options to deal with gunners and prio targets since BB isn't able to cut the cheese at times

rugged fiber
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then why am I getting trash talked by people that do less work than me >.<

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feral inlet
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you can use it sure, doesn't necessarily mean it'll be good

rugged fiber
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what's the big difference with preacher then ?
If you use the same gun you are as useful as them or on the same level

compact spindle
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Trying my best boys

rugged fiber
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he got carried by team score

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Team score has way too much impact on total score imo

compact spindle
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I feel like being the one to kill a third of the enemies we killed should give me a higher team score

rugged fiber
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team score is not affected by kills

compact spindle
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Clearly

rugged fiber
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it's everything else from attacking or defending

feral inlet
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feral inlet
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zealot's unique ranged is flamer which is close-mid range

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and has no other means of long range

rugged fiber
feral inlet
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preacher can kill any enemy type with guns, psyker cant

rugged fiber
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yeah but if you use the same weapon as other good preacher

gusty furnace
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Also bolter

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Almost every zealot is using either flamer or bolter.

feral inlet
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whenever i see a gun psyker i like have an astral projection of myself facepalming

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maybe im biased against gunpsykers

gusty furnace
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I straight up do not care.

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gusty furnace
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I'm carrying my team regardless of their kit.

feral inlet
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i care when the shredder psyker takes my ammo while im on red

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and hes on white

gusty furnace
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If the psyker wants to be a funny guardsmen with mind powers, whatever.

compact spindle
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