psyker-class

[gusty furnace]

EVEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO KILL IT IMMEDIATELY

So I know its dead immediately

[spice veldt]

I also have the skulls and noise from pinged enemies turned off, so I value pings a lot less

since I got annoyed my teammates who had ping on their m1

[gusty furnace]

I've run into that once in 1000 hours

once

[spice veldt]

I've run into it a few times on NA west

[mellow gorge]

i can see the argument of not tagging if you know yuo are going to kill it fun to see someone hate it though

[hidden crystal]

That explains the incoherent rambling.

[spice veldt]

7/10

[gusty furnace]

Like, I'm out of coherency a pretty good chunk of each match

and I ping literally every single special and elite I can

Regardless of if they're near my team or not

Its just information

for free

for literally everyone. Why the actual FUCK you'd take that away from your teammates is an absolutely insane debacle

[hidden crystal]

Eh, I told the "a bear goes into a bar" joke on another server earlier. There were many groans.

[spice veldt]

I don't because I can have the weirdest teammates who decide to just break coherency from the 3-1 group split (me being the one that's alone)

I do not trust my teammates at all to use the information properly

maybe if I can see that they're all high levels

but I don't bother looking at levels anyways and just assume that they're all shit

[gusty furnace]

Well I'm gonna stop you right there.

Levels don't mean anything.

[spice veldt]

yeah

that's what i followed up with

[gusty furnace]

But all you need is 5 minutes.

[mellow gorge]

they dont deserve my info

[spice veldt]

people can have bad days or suck at dealing with certain situations, so I don't judge them based on the gameplay that I see most of the time

unless they're straight up dying to minor things consistently

[thorn cedar]

all the tasty piss covered enemies are for me alone

[hidden crystal]

I absolutely don't get why downed players don't ping things.

At that point, it's all you can do (other than being a punching bag that keeps a horde busy for a bit).

[spice veldt]

actually true because they do tend to go for me because I'm the plasteel goblin that's running around alone

[gusty furnace]

@sinful bridge And I ran into each other and butted heads for the first, I dunno, 5 or 6 minutes of the match and then we just clicked

That's really all the time you need in a match to understand your teammates.

But not pinging targets because they may or may not chase is so fucking insane that it kills me

literally, in most cases.

Because now there's an invisible dog in a horde

because some fuckwit refused to ping it

[spice veldt]

i mean if i see that they're going for a teammate, then I'm pinging them

but if I'm forward and the dog is almost certainly coming for me because they're coming from the front

i'm not fucking pinging them

just so that some dipshit takes the aggro and then gets pounced

[gusty furnace]

what does that matter

[spice veldt]

or if i'm behind and they're coming from the back

[gusty furnace]

just throw a grenade at them

or BB them

[spice veldt]

because the dog gets to live

[gusty furnace]

or literally anything

[hidden crystal]

That trapper that just got you?

FRAGGING. PING. IT.

That's a big threat that significantly affects your chances of rescue.

[spice veldt]

i also don't trust the rest of my teammates to gank the dog immediately

maybe they'll knock the dog off and but keep it alive

[gusty furnace]

So you're just an incredibly selfish player

[spice veldt]

yup

[gusty furnace]

who refuses to play the game in a team oriented fashion

[spice veldt]

I don't trust my teammates at all

[gusty furnace]

and then bitches and moans about randoms

I think you're the problem

[spice veldt]

I mean i think some of my complaints are valid

[gusty furnace]

not your teammates

[spice veldt]

but I do like to complain about them

[gusty furnace]

"Everywhere I go it smells like shit"

You should probably check the bottom of your shoes bud.

[spice veldt]

i didn't say all of them are shit

and I didn't say all of my games are shit

[mellow gorge]

idk, puri taking this kinda personal man

[spice veldt]

I only particularly complain about certain teammates who do certain things

[thorn cedar]

thats cause puri doesnt actually ever tag, he just wants you to really think he's the kind of guy who does

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, because I'm sick and fucking tired of people not pinging disablers

[spice veldt]

e.g., I don't complain about vets or purg psykers because the playstyles that those classes and weapons don't incentivize being annoying

[gusty furnace]

I'm actually probably a little neurotic with it

I'll tag a dog as I'm shoving it out of the way

[thorn cedar]

i know i am lol

[spice veldt]

whereas it is extremely easy to be annoying with trauma/surge

[gusty furnace]

And then murderize it into paste

[thorn cedar]

it's only in lights out where i start to REALLY fucking hate how little people tag

[gusty furnace]

In which case, the tag was mostly pointless

[thorn cedar]

we're in lights out specialist monstrous maelstrom and you DON'T want to tag? interesting choice

[spice veldt]

and psyker is easily the class that is most annoying to me

[gusty furnace]

But I'd rather take the 0.05 microseconds to tag an enemy every single time than have the one time I ignore it bite someone in the ass, literally.

[fresh reef]

the game has given me my 6th +3 stamina curio. Guess I might as well run one

[thorn cedar]

it's not even about my teamamtes anyway

i tag because i can now see the guy

if you tag, i can also now see that guy

[spice veldt]

it's the balance between my teammates getting screwed or them screwing me over by taking the aggro

[thorn cedar]

whether you actually react to my tags is irrelevant

cause most dont lol

[spice veldt]

and the decision I made is to not tag them if the dog is coming from the same direction that I'm at

[thorn cedar]

how many times have you tagged a hound in a horde and watched it beeline straight to an ally who basically does nothing

[hidden crystal]

It's a good combination with Kinetic Deflection, seeing as KD is multiplied up by your stamina.

Good fun for rezzing in the middle of a horde.

[gusty furnace]

Considering that Arco literally doesn't tag enemies

0

he's seen that 0 times

[thorn cedar]

definitely not 0

cause that's partially why he said he doesnt bother

[spice veldt]

I do tag enemies?

[mellow gorge]

i've seen it a ton

trappers too

[spice veldt]

just not dogs in particular because of how their aggro is easily stolen

[thorn cedar]

they're so noisy too

[fresh reef]

I don't use KD, but 80% defence on a mk5 dueling sword is really damn solid

[gusty furnace]

I straight up don't care if my teammates react to tags or not, I just want them tagging so I can fucking see the god damn enemies through the 1200 poxwalkers, 92 scab stalkers, 500 dreg stalkers, and 4000 groaners

[thorn cedar]

defined soundcue on when to dodge

or push, or swing

not that you can rely on anything with those ffffuckerrssss

[gusty furnace]

Specifically trappers and dogs. Mutants if they're really feeling kind

[spice veldt]

I do tag trappers and mutants because the former is quite good at running away and the latter is tanky

but not dogs, who I can just knock off of a teammate if they're within 30m of me

[thorn cedar]

love hearing them giggle as they waddle off

[spice veldt]

like the teammates i get genuinely can not be trusted

[fresh reef]

the exception being if you're running nurgle blessed maelstrom

[spice veldt]

and I'm not going to spend a good portion of the match paying attention to them

true

those green fuckers always get pinged

[naive sedge]

god I hope there is a Veteran Sergeant class with Saltzpyre style pinging abijlities

[fresh reef]

had the misfortune of a blessed hound spawning literally right on top of me while I was kiting a plagueryn away from the team

100-0 in 4 seconds

not even downed, just instadead

[thorn cedar]

man

[fresh reef]

(I wasn't going to get rezzed anyway but like, fuck)

[thorn cedar]

yesterday i was repositioning to push a burster, a grenade lands basically on my face, i have to sprint and slide out, land the push on the burster, fire staggers me, i eat the edge of the burster which throws me back into a hound, and then three ragers drop down from a catwalk above a second later and maul me to death

took like two seconds

sometimes the game just fucking hates your shit lmao

[fresh reef]

Might just be confirmation bias, but I swear that shit only happens when I play Psyker

[thorn cedar]

my teammates even got the dog off me but im dead before my dumbass character can even stand back up

[spice veldt]

at least on psyker, I have to be a lot more wildly out of positioning to deal damage

[gusty furnace]

I watched a veteran push a burster behind another burster who caused the second burster to ping-pong back to the veteran and kill him

[fresh reef]

I have a slot to change on a +3 stam curio, should I go for corruption resist or toughness regen? (currently have +60% regen from my other two, and +12% on one of them)

[gusty furnace]

I also watched a psyker get dive-bombed by 9 bursters in a row because he thought he could push all of them back-to-back

[thorn cedar]

i honestly do not value toughness regen curio so i am not the guy to ask due to my immense bias

[gusty furnace]

instead of just letting me, ogryn, and a veteran mag dump the bursters from safety

Toughness Regen only good on Ogryn

[fresh reef]

I mean, you can push 9 bursters back to back, depending on how back to back they are

[thorn cedar]

corruption is meh but not awful, i only find it nice on zealot since repeated Holy Revenant procs means only corruption really sticks

[gusty furnace]

because he can get 290% toughness regen

[naive sedge]

And it is so good on Ogryn

[thorn cedar]

i am a 3x sprint and block efficiency kind of guy

ie. institutionally insane

[spice veldt]

smh

[naive sedge]

(block efficiency actually gets good at 60%+ tho)

[plucky flax]

Some sixth sense big jukes play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A81WLqkD1g

[fresh reef]

the current setup

[thorn cedar]

this aint vermintide tho

you can never get it to 60% i dont believe

oh wait, with deflector perhaps

arco do mafs for me

[naive sedge]

68% with deflector?

[spice veldt]

though the BCR from deflector only applies to ranged attacks (thanks fatshark)

[thorn cedar]

WHAT

[spice veldt]

and block efficiency stacks multiplicatively

[thorn cedar]

i have been fkn bamboozled there

[spice veldt]

(owned)

[thorn cedar]

w/e ill still use it

[naive sedge]

ok 68% is completely wrong if its multiplcative

[spice veldt]

block eff stacks up to +15% on curios rights

[thorn cedar]

yea

20% on weapon

another 12% from deflector

it's still good imo it's just definitely not 60% or VT2 levels of good

where youre just tossing off Chaos Warrior overheads

[naive sedge]

Good times.

[thorn cedar]

different game forsho

[spice veldt]

so 56.8% block eff with 3x +15%, 20%, and 12% (against ranged)

[naive sedge]

I've managed to block a crusher oiverhead with peril blocking and only lose all my toughness

[thorn cedar]

That's at least four pox walker attacks, up from three!

[spice veldt]

50.9% block eff against melee

[spice veldt]

crusher overheads always ignore your block, even if it doesn't seem like it

[naive sedge]

haha thats why it went straight to 97% peril i guess

[spice veldt]

and they made an update so that they also go through your toughness even if you have 100% toughness now, with the damage that was not absorbed by your toughness spilling over into your hp

[thorn cedar]

yea they always hurt

[spice veldt]

so if you don't have enough base stats and/or don't have enough toughness DR

[thorn cedar]

250 iirc

[spice veldt]

they can one-shot you from full toughness and full hp

yeah around that numbre

I know that they can one-shot a 100 tough 150 hp psyker

which is extremely humourous to me

at least we have infinite dodges so whatever

I also believe that if the crusher overhead breaks your toughness, it doesn't factor in the toughness DR when calculating the amount of damage that spills over into your hp

might've fixed that though

[thorn cedar]

it's breakthrough so i assume not

tbh only the Crusher backhand ever really hits me nowadays

always surprises me for some reason

[spice veldt]

yeah the swings that come out pretty fast

[thorn cedar]

legit leaves me stunned

[spice veldt]

esp with ping

[gusty furnace]

I get chunked by overheads occassionally on ogryn

or even veteran

Fuckin 9 crushers in a deathball

Though that's a problem that got ported over from Vermintide 2

With the deathball chaos warriors all overheading at once

[thorn cedar]

'Problem'?

That's half the fun

[naive sedge]

with their skates on

[thorn cedar]

Yea lmao

[gusty furnace]

The tracking on Crusher/CW overheads reminds me of Dark Souls 1

Where the bosses will track you through 90% of their attack animation

[naive sedge]

the chaos ice hockey team must be incredible

[thorn cedar]

They defeated America in the 82 olympics. Disqualified for all the murder tho

[fresh reef]

lul

[spice veldt]

mkv duelling sword moment

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, bosses could stand to have a pretty staggering buff to block damage

We're fucking regular humans

why can I block a chaos spawn

[thorn cedar]

what 15% dodge distance does to a mfer

[gusty furnace]

It makes sense for Ogryn

but why can veteran sit there and tank with a funny weapon held in the air

or zealot

or psyker

[spice veldt]

tbf veterans would just get annihilated if they couldnt even block chaos spawns

zealots at least have until death and psykers have their infinite dodges

[gusty furnace]

That'll teach the veteran not to try and face tank the spawn then

With enough distance, teammates can redraw aggro from the veteran mag dumping a funny bolter into it

[spice veldt]

chaos spawn aggro is such a fickle thing

[thorn cedar]

ill parry a chaos spawn with my dclaw whenever i want

[spice veldt]

i can be doing literally nothing to it and get targeted by it

[gusty furnace]

I mean, that tracks.

It IS a mindless beast

[naive sedge]

I wish people wouldn't kite the spawn backwards

[gusty furnace]

They uh

don't really get a choice

[gusty furnace]

Chaos Spawn pushes you backwards

whether you want it to or not

Its not like Plogryn

where you can just side dodge forever

[spice veldt]

though they can always dodge diagonally/sideways

since the attacks besides the first hit of their 3/4-hit combos can be reliably spot-dodged

but I understand why people dodge straight away from the chaos spawn cuz it's the natural thing to do

and the dodge mechanics in this game are one of the more unintuitive things with respect to melee attacks

[naive sedge]

people just need to remember its as scared of you as you are of it

It just has a different fear response

[thorn cedar]

im not afraid of it. just overly aroused.

[spice veldt]

blast radius on the trauma staff, esp if you're on the lower difficulties where you'll hit the breakpoints anyways

if it's on the voidstrike, then blast radius is not too important though it does matter

[lyric burrow]

damage past 60% does not matter for trauma

but you want ideally 80 blast radius

and yeah what arco said about void

[flint pawn]

I don't think the Voidstrike was the problem so much as me not trying super hard, practicing quellcanceling randomly, being left behind looking for materials, and using a Combat Knife as my favorite melee on Psyker

Voidstrike felt awesome

And mine is only decent

[spice veldt]

voidstrike is one of those weapons where the stat scaling is whatever

[flint pawn]

I have 20% Flak and only level 2 Warp Nexus

[spice veldt]

so there's not much of a difference between a good enough voidstrike and one with perfect stats

blazing spirit voidstrike?

[flint pawn]

Double Shot

Whatever is called

[spice veldt]

surge

[flint pawn]

That

It worked phenomenally when I actually paid attention

Defo using it more

No more being quickplay Surge Psyker for now

[spice veldt]

i forget if the doubled shot is a crit as well, but with +5% base crit and +12% from nexus, that's 130% * 17% = 22.1% damage on average over time with surge

[flint pawn]

It's the only Voidstrike I have

[spice veldt]

yeah, i'm not criticizing your build decisions

[flint pawn]

Idk if surge is better than spirit

[spice veldt]

just that it doesn't scale that much compared to weapons that get +75% damage and cleave from a single blessing

all the force staffs have this problem blessing-wise

[flint pawn]

I just like shooting balls

[spice veldt]

and neither do the stats on the voidstrike scale that much compared to the trauma

so you're not losing on out that much even if your voidstrike isn't perfect

[flint pawn]

Is there any breakpoint I can reach that I should try for? Something that 20% Flak might not help with

313133 is the build I ran with

[spice veldt]

you're prob going to one-shot scab bruisers with the help of warp unleashed anyways
there's a one-shot breakpoint on scab shotgunners with the help of +flak iirc

[flint pawn]

I just brainburst them

[spice veldt]

yeah that's the usual thing to do

[flint pawn]

Unless I need to stun them

Then I just quellcancel

I'll have you know I've only woken ONE Daemonhost that way so far

[plucky flax]

[lyric burrow]

its true

i forget the scaling but arco has it

its like a very small increase

from 60 to 70 or 80

[spice veldt]

yeah 1 damage per 1%

getting more damage past 60% does mean that you need less damage buffs to one-shot dreg bruisers so that you don't need to take +unarmoured

but I value quell speed more than damage/another damage perk

[lyric burrow]

yeah i just take flak and unarmored

find it makes it more consistent for mixed hordes anyway and you can always take out shooter patrols

maniac might be nice although i can just melee or BB that a lot of the time

[flint pawn]

But- but 1 extra damage is 1 less damage the bots have to do with their Catachans and Axes vs Crushers*!

[lyric burrow]

i hate the bots so much

watching somebody leave to give us a bot so i can watch them attempt to pick someone up 100 times in a row while standing in 14 bomber flames 47 flamer flames 100 poxwalkers and is oblivous to the trapper right in front of them

makes me sad

[tacit flume]

What are the opinions on the lvl 30 feats?

[lyric burrow]

generally take what you like although AB is good for stuff like auto pistol build or blazing trauma/purg

when using something like flurry trauma or void etc up to you but i prefer kinectic barrage

[spice veldt]

i like my kinetic barrage since it's a strict upgrade, and I'm often using my ult for defensive purposes so I don't want to have to go and get my warp charges back up again

[thorn cedar]

yea it sucks to press F and go from 49% bonus damage to 15%

[fresh reef]

go fas go kwik

[exotic tulip]

Didn't think it continued, but last match we killed at least 14, cerebral lacerations plus a veteran with "The strongest plasma I had" works wonders on waves of monstorus specialists

[viral solstice]

it is better than blazing spirit

it is two balls

when u balls

it rules

all true Gamers know more balls is good balls

[exotic tulip]

What to do with this staff, cause the top blessing was I think weakspot and the top blessing was sustained fire

Just cludged the only blessing I had onto it, but what should I be looking for blessing wise. Don't need perfect stuff here

[viral solstice]

go warp flurry flak

and ur gooch

peril / flurry is the standard normie loadout, 5% crit 25% maniacs is ok

or 5% crit 25% flak

perks on voidstrike are w/e just live ur troof

flak is like the compromise "i guess im killin a lotta trash but sometimes im gonna shoot a mauler and pretend im doin something" perk

i respect it

[near wyvern]

It's really not:

• You can cancel the surge proc with quell cancel
• unless it's a horde on a long corridor, you are going to hit the wall already with the first ball which means the surge proc will achieve very little
• blazing spirit does more damage per proc than surge, even on a single target

[viral solstice]

i mean if u unironically think blazing spirit is better more speed to u live ur truth

both are hot dogshit

blazing spirit on staff being capped at 6 is just the beginning of it

but no blazing spirit is not "better" than surge even in that rubric because its delayed and also borderline nothing, surge is at least comedy

and sometimes gibs things

[near wyvern]

At least blazing spirit procs when you quell cancel

[viral solstice]

very true

u can fuck up ur own surges if ur based enough

but this is of course academic

i will show u the true path

but u have to type

"im prepared to witness the Future of Voidstrike"

gimme a sec i have to fine which one of these 60 fucking voidstrikes this one is

hol up

[near wyvern]

Nothing will impress me with Surge until they buff it

[near wyvern]

Or give it to Surge (the staff)

[viral solstice]

now THIS

is the staff

[near wyvern]

Lmao

[viral solstice]

its the 10% of the time i do something every time

the reverse dirty harry

"am i feeling lucky, punk?"

[near wyvern]

That charge rate is ass

[viral solstice]

i do not think

charge rate is the main issue that staff has

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1139651508892352533.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

its main issue is being too advanced

(from the future)

[near wyvern]

It's not as vital on void but I would trade that warp resist to charge rate any time

The sad part is the surge proc itself will not be a guaranteed crit

So you can't get double fire balls

[fresh reef]

[gaunt wagon]

what should i change the perks to

[blazing echo]

Flak n maniac seem the most common

[humble bolt]

whats the best staff

[regal jasper]

Voidstrike

Don’t believe anyone else

No just go through all the staffs and use the one you enjoy the most

[humble bolt]

is that the balls one

[regal jasper]

?

[humble bolt]

its gots balls

[regal jasper]

No?

[humble bolt]

shoot balls

[regal jasper]

Oh

Uh

It shoots bombs

[humble bolt]

balls

[regal jasper]

Sure

Anyways

Everyone is different

[humble bolt]

i like fire

[regal jasper]

Choose the staff you like the most

Then use fire

[lucid terrace]

The one with balls

I like that one

[spice veldt]

trauma is the best generalist

[regal jasper]

Why is voidstrike know as ball staff

[lucid terrace]

Because it shoots balls

[regal jasper]

Does it?

I don’t look at my projectiles

Just the hoard im taking out

[flint pawn]

It shoots balls

It does bonus damage if the balls hit enemies in the face

[regal jasper]

I just aim good

[safe crystal]

Its the bowling ball staff

[hidden crystal]

Isn't shooting balls what you do in Sniper Elite?

[cyan notch]

surge is not comedy

nobody even knows when it procs

u just have to pretend yea uh i think i got a surge yea thats uh 10% yea

it didnt really do anything and i cant even tell when it procs but uh i just imagine in my head it works

[steel egret]

Same.

[inland juniper]

Is psyker still a huge chore to level up?

[hidden crystal]

Everything's tedious to level up.

[steel egret]

Under level 30 psykers atleast give me headache.

[hidden crystal]

Particularly if you need to grind class specific gear.

[flint turtle]

That's just because it's the current psyker

[potent echo]

Brain burst bad re

[flint turtle]

And that's in part because the psyker in dark tide is mostly using telekinetic discipline. In theory any ways

Like they said in the one article psyker and ogryn are in this weird little spot where they are as fleshed out as they wanted

Ogryn is different enough and focused enough on identity that you don't really feel it unless you don't vibe with the play style

Psyker is trying to cover all kinds of ideas but it all only kinda gets one or two mostly baked ideas tossed in that don't match the telekinetic discipline

BB is smite which is a biomancy

You have a few talents and a staff for pryomancy

Ect

The October updates seems like it will be fixing it but until then were stuck being spread a but thin

[plucky flax]

When October come soulblaze enhancement feats give me

[flint turtle]

I found the pyromaniac

Pryomancy can do some very cool shirt beyond lighting people on fire

Like. Looking at someone a d causing the blood in their veins to turn into steam, which basically causes an explosion within the person

Or producing a small light equal to that of a star

Because warp fuckery

I love psykers, just not playing them in dark tide they a naturally just limited

[plucky flax]

Tbh I want warp lightening based class/subclass.

Ultra unlimited power.

[grizzled iris]

I want ultra trauma where you explode the entire map and cause a mission failed screen just to show your distaste for your team

[fresh reef]

pray for me and my sanity

[bronze pelican]

Anyone knows if the blessing Surge is in the game ?

[fresh reef]

can't tell if rng joke or not
||it's only on Trauma and Voidstrike||

[bronze pelican]

Nah i'm making myself broke over this thing and it won't drop

thank you tho

[languid tusk]

i want to change the perks on this purgatus

which one should i get ?

on darktide bulds they have groaners/poxwalkers + maniacs

im going to test it in the psykanium lets see what works best

paired with decimator caxe for maximum burn power

[mellow glen]

Got lucky enough to roll a practically perfect Surge. Should I switch the +Crit perk with +Elites?

[languid tusk]

criti works best imo

like this you have 35 crit (10% base +20% at high peril +5% from perk)

[mellow glen]

I’d switch specialists with unarmoured or maniacs and then switch terrifying barrage with Nexus. Nexus is great on Purg because crits add burn stacks.

[languid tusk]

I switched both perks now i have maniacs and poxwalkers+groaners

maybe i will do infested + unarmored for gigacleave, not sure if worth

[mellow glen]

Fair enough! Though afaik Purg and TB do not work together, though that may have changed.

[languid tusk]

yeah im changing it to unarmored infested

damage to maniacs is too low anyways to clear mutant train

[olive ember]

Flak maniac or unarmoured maniac most of the time

Flak to capitalize on its strengths against flak armoured enemies like scab shooters, maulers, armoured maniac

Unarmoured to shore up its weaknesses and more specifically make it better against dreg shooters

Maniac just cuz every other special is a maniac (mutant, flamer, trapper, unarmoured ragers, etc.)

Infested is kinda mid ngl cuz it’s basically just poxwalkers and dogs

Crit chance +5% is also not bad since surge staff is technically a crit weapon

[hidden crystal]

Most classes have a base crit of 5%, it's only vets that have 10%.

[mellow gorge]

Vets when they are the best statistically while also being the easiest to play with the widest variety of weapons

[regal jasper]

I cant wait for shards

[shrewd quarry]

Newbie Psyker here can I block sniper shots with deflector perk?

[boreal wave]

Last I tried, no.

[mellow gorge]

Better to just dodge them

[plucky flax]

Xd

[flint turtle]

I two would love a biomancy subclass, but bio lighting is the simplest and most boring way to do biomancy

[cyan notch]

no but you can block them with your face (you will die)

[flint turtle]

When you have known in universe talents like hammer fist which makes a psyker temporarily stronger then ogryn

[hidden crystal]

No, nor flames or anything that has the Block Bypass tag on this list: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10f40uz/all_enemy_attacks_damage_values_healthtoughness/

The "block ranged attacks" description leaves out a few details, and it took me a few holes in my chest to realise that, no, it doesn't work on snipers.

I think the Oggy shield does ignore block bypass and might even stop snipers, but I've never played Oggy to find out.

[flint turtle]

Everything outside of grabs

And fire

[hidden crystal]

Fair enough. I figured it was something like that, but I've not yet built up the patience to level up an ogryn. A completely unique weapon set that I don't have any blessings banked for sounds tedious.

Bearing in mind I haven't even finished levelling my vet.

[flint turtle]

If your really dependent on blessings and what the "best" blessings weapons and perks yeah

[plucky flax]

Pretty sure ogryn shield does in fact block snipers.

[hidden crystal]

I wouldn't say I'm really dependent but the equipment grind is still one of the most tedious parts of the game.

[plucky flax]

Ogryn shield is op.

[gusty furnace]

https://streamable.com/yksadr

Yeah but ogryn gets to do this

[languid tusk]

yeah but surge staff has crit stat increasing crit chanche

[hidden crystal]

Yes, but I can kill you with my brain.

[gusty furnace]

Cannae kill me if no brain

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-point-finger-at-forehead-forehead-tap-head-tap-tap-forehead-gif-18599618

https://tenor.com/view/bloodcartier-gif-25860033

[lyric burrow]

dont give people ideas

[magic burrow]

My brain is smooth like a polished pebble. All your brainbursts simply slide right off like water off a raincoat.

[slow raven]

has anyone else noticed that if you're running ascendant blaze you seem to get free warp charges from your teammate's soulblaze?

like if im using my blazing spirit trauma staff and someone else is running purgatus, i seem to be getting way more warp charges than i normally would

well i guess me running the blazing spirit might not be relevant, but it's the only time i use ascendant blaze when im not running purgatus myself

[olive ember]

typical toughness psyker L

[spice veldt]

yeah your AB procs (and theirs) will give everyone running AB warp charges it seems

just looking at the pygex's guide

[slow raven]

thanks, glad im not just imagining it

[spice veldt]

don't worry it'd just be psyker rp otherwise

[patent steeple]

btw, which is better to have on purg: flak or unarmoured?

[thorn cedar]

flak

[gaunt wagon]

is using a +3 stam curio worth it with deflector the force sword ability

[thorn cedar]

do you mean the feat or the blessing

either way i say it's preference and also yes

[gaunt wagon]

my bad

misspelt

[spice veldt]

stamina would be a must-pick if not running Kinetic Deflection

otherwise, eh

probably don't need stamina with kinetic deflection

dodges and slides should take some of the heat off anyways

[languid tusk]

practice the shift + ctrl combo for sliding all over the place without consuming dodge counter

[gusty furnace]

is that. . . psyker specific? 🤔

Cause that eats 2 dodges on everyone else

Oh, dodge+slide eats 2 dodges

Not shift+control

[languid tusk]

also with this staff vigil station oblivium was a walk in the park

[languid tusk]

yes 😄 so the combo is dodge + slide, then shift + ctrl

alternate this and you are (mostly) untouchable

works best with high mobility weapon because regular slide distance depends on speed

[gaunt wagon]

terrifying on purgatus?

dont you already stagger almost every enemy

[gusty furnace]

works great for scab stalkers

You can ZOC the whole group

while only hitting a part of it

[thorn cedar]

you really dont need it tho

[gusty furnace]

ZOC=Zone of Control

[thorn cedar]

it already has built-in on-kill suppression

on top of all the other absurd suppression it offers

[gusty furnace]

But yeah, its more of a victim of RNG

Than it is a concious design choice I would imagine.

[thorn cedar]

if you're looking at suppressing like, a dozen stalkers alone in a room then i suppose it would be 'better'

but i can think of better approaches to that scenario

like left clicking

[gusty furnace]

Me being an ogryn main

that solution is "Move closer to the enemy"

[gaunt wagon]

plus if you have a ton of cloud radius you can just swipe left and right and stagger everything

and get burn

[thorn cedar]

"SMASH"

[gusty furnace]

EXACTLY

Exploits gets it

I have added this to my repertoire of ogryn weapons

Its astonishingly bad

but it is kinda fun to use.

As long as I turn off my meta brain and turn on my monkey brain, its great.

[languid tusk]

yeah, i just saw maxed cloud radius and burn and i decided i wanted unarmored + infested

blessings are decent but i didn't pick them

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, the crafting in this game fucking sucks

I have no idea how fatshark plans to fix it, but it really needs some overhauling.

Rolling the same exact blessing three or four times in a row on four separate weapons is such a dogshit anti-fun mechanic

that serves to only arbitrarily increase gameplay hours through RNG

[spice veldt]

when blessings get nerfed, I suppose the emphasis on crafting will be lessened when some of that power is moved into our skill tree

still shitty rng, but the rng doesn't have as much of an impact anymore

[gusty furnace]

The only real impact to RNG so far has been the plasteel refund bug

I've spent ~15-20k plasteel

and still have 11k

[spice veldt]

weapons with hard stat scaling or breakpoints right on the edge will certainly get screwed though

[gusty furnace]

because I get 80% of it refunded

[languid tusk]

honestly with brunt armory + rolling 2 perks or 2 blessings I don't find crafting that bad anymore

spend 2millions on 1 kind of weapon you like, then consacrate all of them

[gusty furnace]

Yeah. . . that really isn't a good gameplay loop

[languid tusk]

eventually you get good stat spreads + the belssing you want

[gusty furnace]

Grind for 6 hours to get gold and plasteel

dump all of it for zero rewards

rinse and repeat

[spice veldt]

it's fairly painful on the trauma staff

i have not gotten the ideal stat distribution with the perks/blessings that I want

with how the stats scale on trauma and whatnot

[languid tusk]

maybe I was just lucky lol

[gaunt wagon]

and if you get a perfect stat spread on a weapon but the perks and blessings can be trash and the weapon is automatically bad

[spice veldt]

yeah, the rng is for better or for worse

and on average, it is quite terrible

[languid tusk]

is trauma staff one of those weapons where you need 2 specific blessings at tier 4 ?

like thunde rhammer ?

[gusty furnace]

When Flak/Maniac make up 95% of choices on weapons, the crafting is always going to be ass

[spice veldt]

for reference, charge rate scales from 2.5 seconds to 1 second, and blast radius scales the epicentre from 1.5m to 2.5m

[gusty furnace]

Either fatshark needs to remove flak/maniac as perks altogether

[thorn cedar]

I do get that it's very frustrating when you actually are searching for something you want. But the majority of players are crying their eyes out trying to build 380 base stat weapons for their Malice grind, and I don't get it lol

[gusty furnace]

or just buff weapons so they're no longer so reliant on them

and nerf flak/maniac at the same time

so that max is 10% at tier 4

[thorn cedar]

Either way I always have something to try out and play.

[spice veldt]

and a 2.5m radius circle is 2.8x larger than a 1.5m radius circle

[languid tusk]

yeah perfect stat spread + perks + blessings can be hard to get

[thorn cedar]

I'll take the Darktide system over Vermintide's any goddamn day of the year.

[spice veldt]

trauma is probably the weapon with the widest stat scaling in the whole game

[languid tusk]

took me nearly 40k plasteel to roll the meta thunder hammer

[gusty furnace]

No, I much prefer Vermintides

Its tedious

[spice veldt]

though I don't play the other classes that much to observe the stats on their weapons

[gusty furnace]

but not mindbogglingly tedious

[gaunt wagon]

i think vermintide had better grind

at least you can change a lot more on the weapon

[gusty furnace]

Craft 300 gear

throw matts at it to get gold

reroll until you get both perks you want

dump red dust into them to upgrade them to red

[gaunt wagon]

and if you got a red it would just have the maxed stats

[gusty furnace]

With the 1% drop chance from an emperor's crate

it'll take 500 matches sure

[thorn cedar]

Vermintide was fucking tedious to interact with, and the result was building the exact same shit you already made a hundred times over and over.

There's a reason I have 1,500 unopened chests in that game.

[gusty furnace]

But that's at least a guaranteed process to get what you want

Whereas Darktide is like "Lol fuck you"

and there is no real upper limit

[thorn cedar]

Yes but I'd much rather have things to test and play with, even though there's no question that the system doesn't make that easy.

[gusty furnace]

its literally just unmitigateable rng

[thorn cedar]

Also fuck opening chests lol

fuck scrapping weapons

[languid tusk]

is this a good crafing base for trauma staff ?

[thorn cedar]

fuck downgrading dust

[gusty furnace]

Yeah. . . opening chest animation is cringe af

[gaunt wagon]

darktide's random number gen giving you the best weapon possible with the worst perks

[thorn cedar]

shit is so tedious

i have had way more fun with DT despite it all

[gusty furnace]

Emperor's Gifts are better thought out in Darktide for execution of how the gift is handed to you

but it should've never been downgraded from 3 to 1

That's actually painge

[thorn cedar]

i wouldnt even call it 3 to 1

was more like one and a half

[spice veldt]

charge rate > blast radius > warp res > damage/quell are my stat priorities on trauma

[thorn cedar]

lets not pretend anybody was excited to open five chests to earn their ten greens three blues and two oranges

[gusty furnace]

I mean, I don't like opening the chests because it just takes forever.

[thorn cedar]

and then into another menu you go to break them down

god i really

[gusty furnace]

And the weapons are actually pointless and are merely crafting materials

[thorn cedar]

cannot stress how much i fucking hated VT2's crafting

i played the game enough that i could just brute force it

[languid tusk]

how do I fix this

[gusty furnace]

but at least it was faster to "earn" what you wanted in VT2

[thorn cedar]

but not everybody put 2k hours into VT2

[languid tusk]

replace shockwave and elite damage ?

[gusty furnace]

Hell, if you don't play on Cata, breakpoints are functionally pointless in VT2

[thorn cedar]

and even today when i play and want to craft something, if i dont have the mats im more likely to just not bother or quit

[gusty furnace]

so you don't even need to do the crafting

just roll corruption resistance on your necklace or whatever

and farm books

While bashing things with your weapons

[spice veldt]

both blessings are meh; I suppose you would replace carapace but that's also eh

[thorn cedar]

because i do have the mats (1500 unopened chests) but i just CANNOT be fucked

[languid tusk]

carapace unyelding bad combo ?

[spice veldt]

trauma doesn't have any single-target DPS to remark on, so unyielding isn't useful

especially since they buffed the weakspot damage on the bonbon so BB deals more DPS than the trauma to it anyways

[languid tusk]

alright, into the trash it goes

[spice veldt]

even if the bonbon takes 2x explosive damage

[gaunt wagon]

whats the total cd of psykinetic wrath?

[thorn cedar]

20s? 25?

[spice veldt]

30 seconds

we aren't as cool as vets (who get a 25-second cd on their ult, or 20 seconds if you subtract off the duration of the ult)

[hidden crystal]

Deflector needs either stamina or Kinetic Deflection to really weather much.

The combination of both though can really get the most out of deflector, as they stack multiplicatively. (Roughly enough block to weather a point blank volley from a gunner or reaper on Damn which isn't a bad amount to have.)

[thorn cedar]

so short

back in my day some of our ults had a 90s cooldown

and we had to jump to hit the heads of our enemies!

fighting raki on our way to some good ale, uphill in the snow, both ways!

[spice veldt]

vt2 ult cooldowns?

[thorn cedar]

yea lmao

[spice veldt]

god damn

[willow escarp]

yeah the fact that veterans ult recharges while it’s active is hilarious

[thorn cedar]

also i lied

it was 180s

not 90

[willow escarp]

with counterfire it’s pretty common to have it already fully charged by the time you come out of it

[spice veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/897990245658787881.webp?size=80&quality=lossless

i wonder if they messed up on the ult CD

maybe it wasn't supposed to refresh while the ult was active

so it would've been 25 + 5 = 30

[thorn cedar]

nah they just toned down most of the ults (except for veteran it would seem)

[willow escarp]

wouldn’t be surprised

[hidden crystal]

Also, +Stamina and KD is just funny for tanking an entire horde while you rez someone.

[willow escarp]

typically in other games with similar abilities the CD wouldn’t start until it’s over

[thorn cedar]

i had a volley fire yesterday on revolver vet that lasted 3 minutes and 22 seconds

[hidden crystal]

Just bear in mind that deflector doesn't work while rezzing.

[thorn cedar]

very close to seeing a doctor because it lasted so long it was impairing blood flow

[willow escarp]

wtf lol

that’s a lot of reloads too

[spice veldt]

your volley was fired

[thorn cedar]

and it never stopped firing

it's real easy with revolver

just load in one or two rounds at time

it was uhhh whatever that manufactorum map is where it ends in the trainyard

[willow escarp]

oh right

[thorn cedar]

near the beginning when you go up the elevator stairs

legit lasted at the start of that room all the way to the medicae station before the next big hallway

it's dumb

and that whole time im basically a tank with 800 toughness, fair and balanced

[hidden crystal]

I am invincible!

[proven nacelle]

Who is psykers "beloved" that they talk about?

[hidden crystal]

Up for debate.

Could be the Emperor, could be a daemon pretending to be him, could just be schizophrenia.

[thorn cedar]

its me

i am the beloved

[hidden crystal]

Given that Seers think they're dreaming, they've not got the strongest grasp on reality.

[hollow current]

their felinid abhuman oc

[hidden crystal]

Personally? I think it's option one or three. I can't recall any voice lines that make me think the Beloved is malevolent.

[proven nacelle]

I was wondering if it was Tzeench.

[hidden crystal]

As the Beloved actually seems to be benevolent, a fragment of the Emperor's or the psyker's psyche seems slightly more likely than a daemon.

[proven nacelle]

Got it.

[hidden crystal]

But then, a Tzeentchian daemon wouldn't be opposed to playing a long game.

But, ultimately, I don't think we as players are supposed to have a hard answer.

[proven nacelle]

Some question are better left unanswered to have that mystery.

[blazing echo]

Perhaps they guard a shard of their actual lovers soul?

[glacial nest]

I just made a psycher two or three days ago. Is it normal to blow yourself up a whole bunch in the beginning, or am I just extra bad?

[blazing echo]

Abaolutely normal imo. How can you tell your skulls limit if you dont test it a few times?

[glacial nest]

Right?

Anyway, I don't expload when I use a BB at 95% peril, so that's good

[blazing echo]

I think as long as u dont charge an ability when ur already at 100% peril u dont pop. But things get a bit purple

Pushing an enemy drains a chunk of peril too

[glacial nest]

That I did not know, thank you

just tested it out in meat grinder, keep forgetting I have that ability

[spice veldt]

97% is roughly the breakpoint

though decimals are hidden

i believe the peril meter uses rounding to the nearest (96.5 and 97.5 get rounded to 97 and so on), though you shouldn't quote me on this

[spice veldt]

normal, and I still blow up even up to this day

[blazing echo]

Ty for that Arco!

[spice veldt]

the illisi force sword and trauma staff are probably the force weapons that will tend to kill you the most

for a mechanic where the consequence of failure is death, it sure is completely unexplained

[hidden crystal]

Note that if you are in the Perils state, using your Psykinetic's Wrath will cancel it. It's better explained than it was (in that there's now actually a penance for doing it... an irritating number of times), and I don't recommend deliberately relying on it (the number of times that "oops, I've already used my ult"), but it's something of a safety net.

Anyway, I'm going to call three failed missions in a row time to take a break.

[blazing echo]

I ended up using my upt more often to AoE stun before reviving allies than clearing peril. Some people love to kiss the floor

[hidden crystal]

Most of those can be put down to poor team cohesion (and in one case that was slightly my fault, but being pinned in a corner by... corpses? Staggered groaners? Whatever they were, I couldn't actually see them until I looked down... and then grabbed by a mutie wasn't exactly deliberate).

[blazing echo]

Illisi light spam and aim high. Suddenly its raining heads and you can dodge again

[hidden crystal]

No, there wasn't actually anything in front of me, it was something on the floor that was holding me in place.

I think.

Possibly it was just that the corner had some bug.

[blazing echo]

I had something similar tonight i was stuck in mobs that had dropped from above. Only saw em when looking down

[idle aurora]

I am addicted to ability cooldown reductions, on high int spec gauntlet i can literally spam F several times in 1 minute

[hidden crystal]

The last of those missions, in the Archivum Sycorax tunnels, with a team that was split between not pushing through and pushing through too fast was probably the biggest mess.

[idle aurora]

If new skill tree has some perks that allow more peril control, that would be dope

[olive ember]

smh only scrubs die to those

everyone knows that the voidstrike is the hardest staff to manage peril with

[spice veldt]

crit chance feats will be crack cocaine for the blazing spirit enjoyers

[lunar hollow]

all 0 of them 🙂

i am excited to see what stuff we get for the subclass associated with the smite

im assuming the arrow shard things are gonna be with the shield ult in terms of 'intended' subclasses and thatll be the more support-focused psyker build

[olive ember]

???

blazing crit trauma is meta tho

[hidden crystal]

"Support", that wonderful concept that relies on a team coherency that seldom exists in pub games.

[lunar hollow]

i mean the displayed abilities so far don't really seem to care. like the shield looks fuckin massive

[idle aurora]

Auric missions now tend to have teams that know wtf to do, lol, at least lately I had way more complete runs than failed ones

[olive ember]

"support" that people claim they want and then they shit on you because you have low damage

[olive ember]

my dude doesn't care about having both quietitude and warp absorption on at the same time

smh

[lunar hollow]

im a quietude hater

[idle aurora]

Btw did verm 2 have a healer class? Or something like that

[olive ember]

I'm pretty sure any healing related thing is gonna be on zealot

ngl

[idle aurora]

I mean more like a tf2 medic

[olive ember]

at the very least there was a datamine rly far back and one of the zealot subclasses had some kinda regen or corruption wte

no

[lunar hollow]

no

[olive ember]

you had waystalker which applied a regen to anyone below 50% hp or wte it was iirc

and like some other rly niche healing options

[broken carbon]

how

[olive ember]

?? you use it

things die

tada?

[cyan notch]

waystalker had passive heal, stepsis boosted all heals, merc and unchained had teamwide temp hp ults

[olive ember]

well its a side grade to the normal warp flurry + rending shockwave

both work, one is better when you spam it the other works better for burst

[willow escarp]

finally got blazing nexus trauma staff. It’s nice

[fathom adder]

I'm still having difficulty wrapping my head around the idea that a weapon with a 30% crit chance (at best) is going to kill anything with a 3-stack of soulblaze

[olive ember]

its paired with AB so the burn stacks generate warp charges which you can use for AB

basically think your stereotypical purge build 3/1/2/1/1/2 or wte, but swap out the purge staff for a blazing crit trauma

you trade in some of the horde clear for alot more CC and better range

[potent echo]

For what I see the burn aoe is much larger than the circle you draw on the floor

But flurry and shattering feels more right to me, the burn stacks don't really do much by themselves

[slow raven]

you can apply up to 6 stacks with the blazing trauma which is pretty decent

and you can add another 6 stacks from AB

then switch to a slaughterer weapon and it's a lot of damage

i think most of the damage still comes from the regular trauma attack, but whenever i use a non-blazing trauma staff i definitely notice my horde clear being weaker

[mellow gorge]

I'm hoping one of the psyker specs is blaze

Let me set the world on fire

Inb4 we get warpfire grenades

[broken quail]

Warpfire aura, instead of a measly 10% elite damage put a single stack of warpfire onto any enemies within a meter of allies every second? Doesn't sound strong but it'd be amusing

[potent echo]

walks past daemonhost

[broken quail]

walks 1.1 meters past daemonhost

[potent echo]

I wonder if they will change wrack and ruin, maybe tie it to another blitz

[upper galleon]

shouldn't be an issue since fshark has coded certain AoE to ignore daemonhosts

but then again

[shrewd quarry]

Which talents do You use for Psyker?

I'm just lvl 10 kinda curious what to pick

Also I have seen other Psyker do some kind of meditating motion with their staves to lower peril how can I do that?

[upper galleon]

same as normal quelling

press R

wait have you been playing psyker without quelling yourself?

[lunar hollow]

stuck in january

[indigo portal]

Your toughness talent is dependent on your weapons. Typically the go is gonna be Quititude if you're running a staff. Warp Absolution requires you to kill stuff, which rn is only super good with an Illisi Force Sword. For your level 10 talent Warp Unleashed is good, free damage.

[shrewd quarry]

Yes I have I just shock them a Lil bit, get close and start swinging with My sword

[lunar hollow]

warp absorption isn't bad if you play aggressively with a trauma staff, but the only people i know who do that also run illisi

you can get tons of burst-toughness from trauma if you catch a patrol before its aggro'd

[upper galleon]

level 5 for toughness feats, quititude is a standard cause you can bank toughness or generate peril just to quell it for toughness, but warp absorption is great if you are going an aggressive illisi+ staff build

[spice veldt]

quietitude is the safer pick esp when you're not as comfortable with playing aggressively

[upper galleon]

essence harvest is just kinda meh compared to the other 2, I could see a blazing build run it since they can generate the most warp charges but ehh, not worth imo

level 10 wrack and ruin is just bad, inner tranq is ok, but I just take wrath cause more damage is good

[indigo portal]

I've tried it before but every time it feels situational. If I'm getting combo'd or harassed by shooters requiring staff kills for burst toughness gain demands some rizz.

[hidden crystal]

Quietitude is quite neat as far as being the one of the few toughness generation perks you can trigger while in cover.

[upper galleon]

especially since there is a blessing on force swords "unleashed power" that gives even more power at high peril

[upper galleon]

it's def a playstyle, aggressive vs defensive

[spice veldt]

it certainly helps if you're stacking toughness perks to have more buffer and time to regen toughness with warp absorption

[upper galleon]

and not every build can run WA, but every build can run Q

[spice veldt]

warp absorption was a recent feat pick for me, and this was after 1000 hours of psyker

[lunar hollow]

it requires getting used to. i play aggressively pretty much always so it wasn't really an adjustment

i kept getting caught in situations where quietude was not providing the raw numbers i needed it to for the playstyle i wanted

[upper galleon]

it's always been my go to but I play like a maniac, feast or famine all the way

[lunar hollow]

quietude is more generalist, and more importantly, goes a long way when you choose to or are forced by the game into playing passively

[shrewd quarry]

Oh I got another question: I started using the Deimos force sword mk IV and I like it But I have no Idea what i'm supposed to "actívate special" for

[hidden crystal]

To be clear for the new player: The feat that was "Psykinetic Wrath" was renamed to "Warp Unleashed", partly because that was already basically the name for the Ult.

[lunar hollow]

but specifically if ur like me and cannot stand being anything more than a 5 foot distance away from another enemy it'll oftentimes just kinda leave u standing there like "ow god i have overextended and have no instant 100% toughness to bail me out"

[shrewd quarry]

The special for the force sword just look and feel weird

[upper galleon]

maniacs, heavier enemies

[light maple]

V to buff the force sword for one hit for 20% peril

[spice veldt]

damage-wise, it's not particularly great

there are two reasons to use it: the stagger, and the 200% damage bonus against Flak armour

[upper galleon]

but there is a silly thing with deimos, your H2 does significantly more damage than your other attacks

[spice veldt]

on the Deimos in particular, the l1 deals 2x damage and the h2 deals 2.5x damage

[thorn cedar]

plus it's fun to molest your giant sword with a warp condom

[upper galleon]

so going l1-> h2 is sick

activated is still good for ragers and mutant drive bys tho imo

[spice veldt]

yeah it's nice for when you can't hit the head on mutants

i loved two-shotting mutants back when I used the obscurus

[shrewd quarry]

I heard that in a guide but i'm still getting used to that... I got too accostimed to use My mk III Cleaver with My ogryn and just spam light attacks

[lunar hollow]

another player injured by op m1 spam brainrot

[shrewd quarry]

Auch... But hey I'm admiting it

[spice veldt]

the illisi is the closer equivalent if you're into low brain activity playstyle

don't worry, we're all using those sorts of weapons

josho runs ripper + bb3 as ogryn

i'm an illisi psyker

[lunar hollow]

it is VERY skilled

okay

[spice veldt]

mhm

[lunar hollow]

i have to look in the direction of enemies

dont u know

very hard

[indigo portal]

H1 QQ > M1 spam.

[spice veldt]

truly challenges the mind

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, you may get on better with the Illisi, as and when that unlocks (I'm not sure when it does).

I mean, it's still best using some charged heavies to get started (and charge up Slaughterer, if you have it), but light spam isn't terrible.

(The Illisi's charged attack is rather different to the other force swords, it's a horde clear rather than a "frag you in particular").

[spice veldt]

be warned that I will not look upon you kindly if you do not use the special as much as your peril and situation can afford it

[lunar hollow]

thank u for agreeing with me

[spice veldt]

(sarcasm)

[lunar hollow]

i have been nice to you today

wtf...

[upper galleon]

i barely use illisi normal attacks but thats cause I run WA

[lunar hollow]

the real enlightened shit is h2 QQ

some ogryn weapons have this property where quick-swapping puts you into the 2nd heavy if you do the inputs fast enough

[upper galleon]

gotta get that value from cleaving through 2 random bruisers

[lunar hollow]

for the mk 4 knife, this bypasses the vertical heavy and gives you this super fat horizontal that can get up to 147-ish cleave with savage sweep and slaughterer

its like a BB that requires a lot more thinking

[upper galleon]

some ogryn weapons have a property where my guy forgets how to swing melee weapons and just kinda holds the thing in place

[spice veldt]

it does mess with me because I always expect the 1st heavy to usually be the strikedown

like with the mk6/9 hswords

[lunar hollow]

the clubs have this deranged property where if you don't hold the heavy down long enough it converts into a light attack

[upper galleon]

usually if I try doing a push attack into heavies on my club

[lunar hollow]

in this really jarring way that doesnt happen with other weapons

[upper galleon]

or i push attack to lights on my BB

[lunar hollow]

the clubs kind of have this interesting property where the horizontals do better unyielding damage than the strikedown

[upper galleon]

[lunar hollow]

it's

fucking unintuitive

[upper galleon]

i have thrust 4 i just do both

[lunar hollow]

but i like it

[upper galleon]

BONK

[lunar hollow]

i mean realistically if you're running a mk1 you hardly use the lights ever

unless ur running something that isnt thrust + haymaker but like why

[lunar hollow]

mk2 has the slap -> punch combo

and gets a pass

[upper galleon]

i use lights to bully individual heretics to death

[shrewd quarry]

So... With the lvl 10 perk that says increases dmg based on peril... I have the extra 10% Even if I have 0 peril?

[lunar hollow]

yup

[shrewd quarry]

Nice

[spice veldt]

the rest of the damage scales linearly with your peril

[upper galleon]

oh and get use to edging your peril

[indigo portal]

iirc the H2 on the Mk1 Club also has 0 cleave damage falloff against maniacs for the first cleave. Very cool

[spice veldt]

so warp unleashed gives +10% + 15% * peril% as a bonus to your damage

[upper galleon]

you can BB at like, 94% peril and not blow up

[lunar hollow]

we don't talk about club maniac damage

you bring a gun for that

or haymaker

its fucking insanity

[shrewd quarry]

Seriously? 😮

[upper galleon]

and you can press F during the "struggling animation" if you do fail and peril yourself,

[spice veldt]

the threshold for not dying to a BB cast is 97%, though the decimals are hidden

it is possible to die by casting at 97%, so it's safer to do it at 96% if you're not in the business of gambling

[upper galleon]

infact, one of the psyker penances is to use your F while you are in your pre-explosion animation

[lunar hollow]

or not in the business of getting tbagged by the same shitter who has blown himself up twice in one game

COUGH

[spice veldt]

die

[indigo portal]

50 times infact

[upper galleon]

i do 94% cause I don't trust my team not to kill the enemy I'm BB'ing and instantly locking on the one behind it

[shrewd quarry]

Too Many Hidden mechanics I Can't learn all of this is one go x.x My ogryn brain is struggling

[spice veldt]

it's actually safe to hold your BB even when the enemy dies

so long as you do not accidentally release your LMB and initiate another BB again

[upper galleon]

that, hasn't been the case a few time

idk how it works

[spice veldt]

i'd chalk it up to your body doing it subconsciously

[upper galleon]

exactly cause it's warpfuckery

[lunar hollow]

i installed the trueperil mod, so i see beyond the veil and know that the interp is a lie and i can consistently get the optimal timing on the BB -> quell -> BB chain

unless i ape something up and forget to press r

[spice veldt]

i've never blown up from locking onto another enemy after my initial target died

[lunar hollow]

(don't post it)

[lunar hollow]

do you wanna know the most deranged secret about staves

[shrewd quarry]

Yes

[lunar hollow]

if you shoot a bolt from one of them with m1 there's an animation cooldown between the 1st shot and the 2nd

[light maple]

I swear I’ve casted at 99 and been fine before. I thought the only thing that mattered is what side of 100 you preform the action on

[lunar hollow]

but if you can get the timing on the inputs down you can press the quell key

and cancel that animation

and shoot bolts like a machine gun

[spice veldt]

could've been a battle meditation proc that saved you

[lunar hollow]

(don't try this at home)

[light maple]

Makes sense

[shrewd quarry]

YOU CAN WHAT?

ok...

[spice veldt]

yeah, some of the animation delay after a cast can be interrupted by quelling

[lunar hollow]

https://youtu.be/zcINF72qAdY?t=155

[spice veldt]

for the trauma staff, it shaves ~0.3 seconds off of the 0.6 second downtime after a cast with the RMB

[lunar hollow]

here is an example

god bless pygex

[spice veldt]

though warp flurry is one of the common blessings to take with the trauma, so quell-cancelling with that blessing on will be detrimental

[lunar hollow]

u can see how ridiculous it gets on the staff m1

but is also useful for stuff like trauma/void

[shrewd quarry]

I'm going to bed too much info i'm about to brain burst myself

[lunar hollow]

lmao

[spice veldt]

his peril is at 100%

[lunar hollow]

its a lot of stuff to take in. most people here who figure this shit out have hundreds of hours more than any normal human should

[spice veldt]

tfw a mechanic where the consequence for failure is death is completely unexplained by the game

[mellow gorge]

or we play too much of a specific class

[lunar hollow]

the tutorials are a lot more "here's vague ideas of how the game works"

rather than "here's all the statistical breakdowns relevant to your class"

which is uh, weird

[spice veldt]

when the advanced tutorial is not advanced 😔

[mellow gorge]

mfw advanced tutorial is actually just beginner page 2

[olive ember]

what are we talkinga bout now

wait

pygex is pronounced with a j?

[upper galleon]

Where the fuck is the J?

Jygex?

Pyjex?

Pygej?

[olive ember]

pyjex

[hidden crystal]

Hunting Grounds missions with two veterans have an "interesting" ammo economy. One might normally assume that not picking up any ammo meant I was using a staff:

[mellow gorge]

i love hunting grounds, probably the easiest modifier they've added

next to no ammo

[autumn smelt]

man, i just cant get into vermintide 2

[mellow gorge]

i cant go back to it

the things they've improved on in melee combat feel too good in DT

[hidden crystal]

Admittedly, the MG XII is possibly the most ammo efficient weapon when ignoring ammo regen (at least given that psyker feats can push it into bodyshot kills on most light enemies), but still - I wasn't deliberately going for a no ammo run.

[mellow gorge]

MG12 and MK1 Helbore have very similar efficency

pick your poison between the two

[autumn smelt]

fps meleeing feels more weighty than vermintide 2
i feel like im doing more in by punching someone in destiny 2 than i am swinging a sword in vt2

[mellow gorge]

lmao

havent played d2 in forever

[autumn smelt]

plus i cant really tell whats going on majority of the time

theres too much visual and audio clutter

[indigo portal]

V2 is pretty much the same thing as DT but with less clutter. Only shooters are the beastmen ones.

[mellow gorge]

i am no longer the player D2 is intended for. which is fine, darktide has a better difficulty and feel good to combat

[autumn smelt]

and since im a psyker main, i chose sienna
and i feel like im being put in a strait jacket when playing her

[mellow gorge]

if i paly vt2

i paly funny gun bardin

only way i can enjoy it

[indigo portal]

I love Sienna in V2 more than Psyker in DT. Tbf I'm an Unchained main so it's a very different playstyle but even Battle Wizard feels sick.

[autumn smelt]

leveling takes too long in this tbh
id have to dedicate more than a day to find out whether id enjoy a class

same can be said in darktide tho, but stil

[mellow gorge]

curious to see how the class changes feel to long time vt2 players

especially with support options being added and enemy rebalance

[indigo portal]

It sounds like some of the new classes will have some parallels with V2 stuff. Like it sounds like Zealot is getting a Shade ult possibly, and at the very least Veteran is getting a Huntsman ult.

[autumn smelt]

i just unlocked her, and got blown up by just swinging my sword in normal combat

[mellow gorge]

the recent interview on enemies being tweaked for our increase in power was neat

[autumn smelt]

i dont think im gonna play this subclass

[hidden crystal]

I never got on with Sienna in VT; the mechanics around quelling (or whatever they used to call it) were considerably less forgiving than in DT.

[indigo portal]

You only get overheat from getting hit (and staff usage). As long as you don't waste your ult and you edge your heat you have some of the best DPS in the game. Only becomes a problem when the DoT elites pop out.

[autumn smelt]

i guess i just read that description and just assumed it worked the same way kinetic deflection worked

where it would take 50% damage from health to overheat (assuming your overheat isnt full)

[hidden crystal]

The perils for psyker have a bit of an art to them, yes, but it feels more like you screwed up when you get it wrong rather than the system screwing you over.

[indigo portal]

It's any hit at all. I think there's a talent that causes you to vent overheat when you block attacks. That makes it way easier to deal with bosses if you aren't familar with them.

[autumn smelt]

yeah
playing sienna i feel like im overindulging in my staff, any time i use my staff, and that ill come to regret it in a few seconds when i really need to actually use it

it feels like "but i may need that potion later", the class

where in this case the potion is your staff

[potent echo]

You can quell really quickly once you get the block talent

[indigo portal]

You can quell the staff. It's pretty much unlimited usage, on both Battle Wizard and Unchained (I never play Pyro) you can really just spam the staff.

[potent echo]

Battle wizard has that much easier because of the massive passive quell

[autumn smelt]

at the cost of health

[potent echo]

Yea but temp hp mechanic exists in vt2

[indigo portal]

Just get THP from a horde and you'll regen it in like 2 hits.

[potent echo]

And sienna can generate basically infinite

Get the one on cleave, use a dagger, press m1 repeatedly

[autumn smelt]

im aware, but even reading through the talents it seems nowhere near as dependable as toughness regen

[potent echo]

Temp hp is such a crutch in later difficulties

[autumn smelt]

on top of the fact that im still like
lvl 12
so i am just quite literally having to brute force hours of miserable gameplay

[potent echo]

You basically take no chip damage at all essentially because you are almost always at max hp

The toughness system makes it more punishing for tanking hits

Meanwhile vt2 is balanced around dying to a single blow lmao

[indigo portal]

idk if anything V2's THP is so much stronger than toughness, it kinda ruins it for me. On Unchained for example iirc you get the stagger THP talent, with the Fire Sword it's almost all of your health regened to full without any effort at all. Same with the Flail.

[hidden crystal]

Now, I'll admit my context here is mostly playing gunpsyker - at least in part so that I do have a weapon I can use that doesn't build peril (and you can actually do a heck of a lot of damage by maxing out Warp Unleashed and then dumping an MG12 into something) - but still, that's a viable loadout in DT.

[autumn smelt]

honestly i still prefer toughness overall

[potent echo]

An overhead from a SV or CW just ends any 120hp class

Toughness is better imo, it solves the temp hp issue and also gives you a shield against shooters

Also in vt2 I think attacks go off much quicker, the windup for most melee attacks in darktide are probably twice that of in vt2

[indigo portal]

Toughness is better, but not stronger. If you had a source of THP it's a free heal, it's so strong that you can reliably have 1 hp on some careers. In DT it's far more balanced, and kinda needed for shooters.

[autumn smelt]

idk if its just me, but i feel like the entire game is slower in vt2

[potent echo]

Specials die really fast

[indigo portal]

Yeah V2 is pretty fast. Ranged weapons can be a bit clunkier but overall your weapons attack faster. I don't know about movespeed ig.

[autumn smelt]

theres no sprinting

[potent echo]

My memories from vt2 are mostly legend/cata max level builds with swift slaying on all the time

Early on I guess the game can be quite slow

[autumn smelt]

base walk speed may be slightly faster, but if it is, its not by much

[potent echo]

Dodge and block are separate resources as well so melees are much more frantic

Especially once you get swift slaying blessing

[indigo portal]

Not really about to open both games to compare it. Feels fine. Another thing that's nice about the speed is that stamina isn't tied to dodges at all.

[hoary badge]

Toughness lets you do shenanigans like hittrading with crushers, which is ridiculous value

I find Verms more arcadey and faster paced, it just feels slower due to movement mechanics in DT

I've observed many one too many verm vets rushing ahead into terrible situations as they are used to playing hard and heavy instead of utilizing terrain and clearing ranged units

Then they find the game too hard by the time they reach heresy and drop it

[potent echo]

Don't crushers do bleed through damage?

At least their overheads do I think

Source: totally not me

[hidden crystal]

Crusher overheads do have block bypass, but their sweeps and punches don't: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10f40uz/all_enemy_attacks_damage_values_healthtoughness/

[potent echo]

Damn what a resource, thanks for the link

Also nice to confirm that chaos spawn doesn't have any block bypass besides grab

[spice veldt]

since it deals 260 damage, you can tank it with at least 130 toughness if hit while dodging/sliding because of the 50% toughness dr

[potent echo]

That's interesting

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, a lot of these mechanics are frustratingly opaque in the game itself.

[hoary badge]

You do need a slide to miltigate the overhead, as long as you have full toughness and it doesn't get destroyed in a single hit you get 0 bleedthrough

Hittrading is more of a thing with ogryn and I just straight up eat crusher overheads with plenty of toughness to spare

[potent echo]

Overhead does 260, how much toughness does your ogryn have

Also the 20% toughness DR makes it more like 208 damage

[spice veldt]

because of how toughness damage works, their health DR also applies to their toughness so they have 36% toughness DR in actuality

what are the toughness DR modifiers for Ogryn's movement states I wonder

[hoary badge]

I believe its just a 1x modifier

It's a feat to graze a big guy in melee up close

[spice veldt]

OH YEAH heavyweight

[hoary badge]

I forgot that was a thing

[lunar hollow]

(does not apply to plogryns)

[spice veldt]

f

[lunar hollow]

i cannot believe a fatshark feat would lie to me

[hoary badge]

It's been a locked in feat for so long I forget the 50% resist was a factor