psyker-class

[empty onyx]

Apparently Surge doesn't work on the right-click.

[grand raven]

oooh poop

[acoustic osprey]

i like the burn on crit and also i misread. i like the one where it charges faster

[grand raven]

I have one with that roll^

[empty onyx]

Blazing Spirit you want to combine with Warp Nexus.

[acoustic osprey]

for the non-burn one, i think it's rending shockwave and warp flurry

[grand raven]

wouldn't Blazing Spirit > Rending since I can run it with AB?

[empty onyx]

Blazing Trauma/Void is pretty dope.

Rending is for when you want to run e.g. Kinetic Barrage.

Also we need something Psyker-y for the back slot.

[analog solstice]

3 wounds

Warp peril explosion build?

[hollow current]

I was wondering the same thing lol

[acoustic osprey]

nah, it's just for fun

[hidden crystal]

Ah, the "I expect to go down four times and I'm sure my team won't find that annoying" build.

The problem with wounds vs. HP is that wounds inherently rely on hoping that you going down doesn't start a whole chain reaction... any of the times it happens.

[empty onyx]

Maybe the new skill tree gets a "when overheating you get possessed by a daemon for a few seconds and can take a few swipes at the enemies before exploding" passive.

[hidden crystal]

Very often, you're forced to leave a downed teammate because trying to rush to get them up just makes the situation worse.

[empty onyx]

On a sidenote; I find that killing Ogryns with the Trauma staff is strangely satisfying. Because of their mass they don't go flying, they just kinda...fall apart, like a broken doll.

[rugged fiber]

some people got this penance ?

[blazing echo]

Get an Orgyn a shield. Get it to aggro DH and tank it while Psyker pops its twisted fkn head apart?

[lunar hollow]

the only way to get consistent value out of wounds curios is by going down in easily recoverable situations

at which point... you can mitigate that in 99% of situations by just not going down

[rugged fiber]

Yeah but first you need a private strike team XD

don't have enough friend for that

and simpler you just need to do maelstrom with weaker monstruosities

[blazing echo]

Ill be around tomorrow and wouldnt mind cracking those achievements. Ping me and Ill give u a hand

[spice veldt]

i hate pub trauma psykers

brainbursting a dog that's coming for me, so that it stuns it 20 meters away and makes it change aggro instead of just letting me kill it with melee

blasting a horde on a psword vet and hsword zealot

so fucking annoying

if only it weren't so easy to be annoying as a psyker

[rugged fiber]

it's hard to be a good psyker x)

[spice veldt]

not when the illisi exists

or when the purg exists

[blazing echo]

I hate it when playing Psyker and trying to build stacks and the vets always see the blue glow and brrrrt

[spice veldt]

i'd rather they kill my blue glow

brainburst is so slow and it's going to cost 25% peril on cast

you're going to get a warp charge as long as it's charged to >50% anyways

[blazing echo]

I have no doubt you are 100% right, i shall try not to seethe with frustration when it happens

[thorn cedar]

i dont care if my BBs get taken, but when i see a blue aura, I'ma leave it

[hidden crystal]

If you're in a situation where the veteran has spare time to treat the glow as a targeting suggestion rather than shooting something else, then the peril doesn't matter, but they're still wasting ammo.

[blazing echo]

Thinking tactically I normally prioritise the bigger threats for BB, goal should be their immediate deletion in most cases. I shouldnt care others see the same threat

But I do ;,,;

[acoustic osprey]

people can hate, but 3 wounds vs 3 health don't make a big difference. don't get hit a lot, hit as much as you can, watch for specials

[orchid verge]

there a particular reason you stacked toughness regen? Does it scale up the Tier 1 Feats?

[steel flame]

i have 30% regen on every psyker curio i have

its great

[abstract kestrel]

speak of the devil

[orchid verge]

there a particular reason you stacked toughness regen? Does it scale up the Tier 1 Feats?

[abstract kestrel]

toughness regen drops the timer for regening

[spice veldt]

the existence of medpacks does mean that I value health over wounds

[abstract kestrel]

it's pretty dapper

[spice veldt]

both the delay and regen rate nowadays after they patched it

[abstract kestrel]

ah

[thorn cedar]

medpacks aren't real

• love, zealot

[steel flame]

it doesnt affect the t1 perks since those are locked regen, but when in coherency you regen toughness insanely fast,

[spice veldt]

for reference, you regen 7.5 toughness/s when in coherency with 3 other teammates, so +90% bumps that up to 14.25 or something around that number

[gusty furnace]

And then you have Ogryn with 20/s

~25ish with Die Hard

[hidden crystal]

While it doesn't affect the T1 perks, that's not quite the right reason. The L5 perks are percentage based (Warp Absorption gives back 15% of your toughness, so if you have 120 toughness rather than 100 it'll give you back 18 rather than 15).

It's more that coherency regen is the thing not affected by your total toughness (it gives back a fixed amount, not a percentage), but is affected by the regeneration speed perk (which only affects this).

[acoustic osprey]

damn you...

[hidden crystal]

While it's good, I don't end up running it on all my curios (just two of them) - partly because there's some level of diminishing returns (as it's additive, the third one only adds 18.75% boost compared to just having two), partly because it's not always active - when your toughness is full, or your team have karked off, it does nothing, so committing three curio perks to any one thing is kind of an "all your eggs in one basket" situation.

[blazing echo]

Conversely Id argue mission success at higher levels requires coherency. Those eggs seem to require being IN the basket to win

[gusty furnace]

Depends on the class.

Ogryn's the only class who actually, truly benefits from toughness regen.

Everyone else its just a "Nice to have" kinda thing.

Veteran: Gets toughness back from killing Elites(And specials?)

Zealot: Gets toughness back from their F and killing things in melee

Psyker: Gets toughness back. . . somehow. I'm sure the spark'eads'll be willing to say how.

Ogryn: Gets toughness back from standing next to a buddy - and holy shit does he get a lot of fucking toughness back from standing next to a buddy. You get +100% from Lynchpin, 90% from curios, and 100% from Die Hard. You're practically unkillable as long as you just stay next to someone.

[acoustic osprey]

welp i thought i'd try my luck once more since you got it

[willow escarp]

Sparky gets toughness a few ways

Easiest way is killing stuff with staffs, where you can just get infinite toughness when using fire staff

[acoustic osprey]

ooooohhh noooo running 3 wounds on sniper gauntlet is dangerous so scarrryyy

[hidden crystal]

And exactly how many times did the wounds actually prove useful?

[acoustic osprey]

oh you missed the point. i know health is better. i just do wounds for fun

i just play the game casually

[jovial oak]

I didn't know til I played psyker myself what the glowy heads meant

[hollow current]

It means the heretics are having their almonds activated.

[spice veldt]

rumbler ogryns spamming during a mutant wave 🥲

why must the rumbler create so much smoke

[hidden crystal]

The tutorials not giving any kind of general primer on what other classes do is a big oversight.

[charred urchin]

What blessings are people looking for on staves? My friend just hit 30 on Psyker and doesn't know what to look for. I am a dirty vet main and don't know

[sudden isle]

Does the psyker's flame get overriden by other sources from flame? i.e. another psyker or zealot?

[gilded radish]

no

[plain turret]

Depends what staff

[gilded radish]

like zealots can just cancell the flame?

[sudden isle]

Yes or multiple psykers dot being cancelled

[gilded radish]

sounds like a skill issue to me

since i have played, with zealots who only used flamers and it didnt cancel my flame

or maybe i canceled their flame

[charred urchin]

He wants to use Surge or Purgatus

[sudden isle]

I am asking if it does, so I ran a three psyker purge staff group and I was wondering if the DOTS would be cancelled

[gilded radish]

wdym dots?

[plain turret]

Nexus & Flurry on both.

[sudden isle]

damage over time, I am wondering if the flame debuff on an enemy gets over ridden or cancelled by other flame psykers or by themm stacking soulfire with their ult

[gilded radish]

i doubt it

[plain turret]

they just stack i'm sure

[gilded radish]

and bring both staff at the same time, so you can be too op

[plain turret]

dual wield the staffs is the meta

[gilded radish]

indeed indeed

[plucky flax]

Yes purga overwrite each other.

[sudden isle]

damn

[gilded radish]

never happened to me

i have played with 4 purge psykers and it didnt do anything

[plucky flax]

It does. So what I mean is 2 guys burning a reaper, the reaper will in fact take double the amount of burn stack up to the max stack, but only 1 guy will deal the damage.

[plain turret]

i imagine soulblaze stacks overwrite each other, but different dots would stack no?

[plucky flax]

There is no 2 separate instances of soulblaze.

Yeah flamer fire and soulblaze stack.

[autumn smelt]

lets see how this goes lmao

i thought you had to be lvl 30 to play auric but ok

they rushed ahead, leaving all of the elites, specialists, etc for me and the other lvl 30

[upper galleon]

You do

It's a duo thing

[autumn smelt]

and then proceeded to be toxic when i asked "why did we split up"

[upper galleon]

Or group thing

Yee probably a 3 man premade

Level 30 started the que

Should probably be fixed

[plucky flax]

Some level 30 are as useful as bots so idc either way.

[autumn smelt]

thats true
but the ratio for bad 30s to good ones is way more favorable than bad <30s to good ones

[magic hull]

I had two level 25 and one 27 and they still do better jobs than some 30s in damnation.

They probably level 30s on other character but they know how to position.

[gilded radish]

I had a bot tank a chaos spawn for 30 seconds while me and this other guy, got screwed over by everything else the game had to throw at us

[sudden isle]

Sweet! thats' good to know, thanks! there isn't damage charts w/o mods and they seem shit. I am glad it doen't turn down the damage just reassign who does it

[mild junco]

Is that normal that I constantly fail to get 1 shot out of elites/ specials for BB ? Maulers, pox hounds, this kind of stuff ?
It's especially frustrating considering the time you need to charge a bb, just to not OS stuff

[hidden crystal]

At higher difficulties, yes.

[mild junco]

Well, that plains sucks.

Guess I won't play psyker past Heresy then

[hidden crystal]

It depends on exactly what perks you take, of course - Warp Unleashed and Warp Battery can get you to breakpoints for some things, and Cerberal Lacerations can help stop Ogryn elites being three-shots - but there are some specials and elites that do need to be weakened or given a coup de grace at Damnation.

[mild junco]

I have both of them, but especially the hounds and maulers not being killable in 1 BB is.. Eh.

[hidden crystal]

It's generally not too bad though, as BB tends to stagger most things enough to give you an opening to smack them with something else.

[spice veldt]

for hounds, they take 3x melee damage anyways

[indigo portal]

Most of the time it feels like I'm using BB to stagger more than I am using it to 1 shot enemies. Good utility option that also can safely chip away at big enemies.

[spice veldt]

though the lack of ranged single-target burst DPS on psyker sucks absolute ass

[plucky flax]

Don't bb I never do.

[indigo portal]

Gunker

[plucky flax]

Actually it's good for monsters.

[spice veldt]

BB is a generalist weapon that has the unfortunate fate of existing on a class that has no burst DPS force staff option

[hidden crystal]

I'll admit the hounds irritate me most. Extremely hard to hit, and tanky as hell at range.

Admittedly they're not too bad to deal with with melee (at least now dodging/pushing them seems to have become more reliable), but that means you've got to wait for them to come to you, rather than being able to deal with them when there's another opening.

[grizzled jasper]

Just let the dog pin your teammates so it becomes a stationary target

[spice veldt]

dogs knocking you around if you're not their target is one the most annoying things ever

i'll smack them but get sent 10 years away so I can't do a followup

[mild junco]

Dogs is one of the most annoying things ever

[spice veldt]

god bless the illisi for one-shotting them

i would die if it did not hit that breakpoint

[grizzled jasper]

I like how dogs step back every time they take damage and you end up chasing it with melee

[hidden crystal]

BB is indeed a nice combination with a lot of psyker's gun options. A big part of what makes my MG12 loadouts viable is that the BB is there as something that isn't useless against crushers.

[spice veldt]

hopefully balance changes make BB less overshadowed by the likes of a pinning fire bolter

[hidden crystal]

(Less of a problem with Maulers, because at least there they have a lot of "not carapace" armour and you can plug them a few times in the body).

[flint turtle]

I mean in a lot of cases people are gonna want the fastest option

[spice veldt]

yeah, though BB has the other problem of being a balanced generalist blitz in a world where pinning fire exists

it's fine if more specialized weapons completely outperform it, but the difference is extremely vast with the bolter which fits a similarly generalist role (though it is a proper secondary)

[flint turtle]

Personally I think BB is better for the team then a bolter for the ability to pick and mix your targets.

Meanwhile bolter kinda just, a hail of bullets that hopefully lands and eats up most of the ammo economy

[spice veldt]

the bolter does not suffer much from the problem of ammo because you get 2 bullets back per elite killed as long as you have >100 reserve ammo, which isn't a problem if you're the vet

and with pinning fire up and in VF, you'll one-shot enemies like flamers or 3-shot flamers if need be

[flint turtle]

But I also don't engage with Meta so what I say is based purely off my feelings

[spice veldt]

and if you do the ADS tricks, you can just tap-fire the bolter at a faster pace than usual to avoid wasting ammo

and TBTA vets having that extra +75% damage against ogryns/monstrosities if you want to be particularly ammo efficient (compared to sustained fire)

[flint turtle]

On top of all that, you gotta get a vet that knows what their doing

Never engage with the meta it's for cowards!

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i tried vet with pinning fire 4 bolter and it feels like cheating

Esp on maelstrom

[flint turtle]

Simply make your own build and loadout

[spice veldt]

i always run the meta because I like doing big numbers

[lyric burrow]

I like both

[spice veldt]

and so that I always have footage so that people think that certain weapons suck can go get fucked

[flint turtle]

Witless coward

[lyric burrow]

Although i almost always run illisi or deimos cause they are more fun

[flint turtle]

Jokes aside it's good to know and have when you need a boost

[spice veldt]

i'd still like the illisi if it were balanced (probably)

well, depends on how they are going to balance it

[lyric burrow]

Define balanced

[hidden crystal]

I think a general annoyance with the Blitz options is that unlike all of the rest of your gear improving as a natural part of levelling up, all the Blitzes only ever improve by spending feats on them.

At least with Psyker some of the feats that boost their Blitz are not only about their Blitz (Warp Unleashed and Warp Battery are universal damage boosts), but it's not like with a lasgun or something where if you get really good damage and stopping power rolls and the right damage perk you can hit the breakpoints - no, the Blitzes are basically stuck at the same power level and become progressively less able to reach damage thresholds as you level up and go through the difficulties.

[spice veldt]

since it's always going to be better than the other options anyways because of feat syneries even when it's balanced

[spice veldt]

nerfed mobility, single-target, and armour mods

hordeclear weapons have no right to have good mobility in particular

[lyric burrow]

So long as they keep its horde id use it

Ill agree it does not need to delete maulers and mutants and have infinite dodges

[spice veldt]

yeah having to dedicate feats to them is one of the worse parts in the game

in a reddit convo, it did make me realize that the new skill tree would make this feat selection less painful

[plucky flax]

Give blazing spirit 4 on trauma.

[lyric burrow]

Does it really need it 🤨

[spice veldt]

and there's stuff like vet/zealot's ult always offering a utility that is the same throughout the difficulties, and iirc ogryn's nade is tagged to ohko certain enemies as well

whereas BB's stagger was nerfed

[plucky flax]

It doesn't need but it'll be even more op.

[spice veldt]

it really will be quite interesting for psyker in particular once the skill tree drops

[hidden crystal]

And yeah, to some extent, every weapon needs to work harder as you go up the difficulties, but jumping from needing one BB to kill an enemy to two BBs does a lot more to dent its utility than a laspistol needing four bodyshots rather than three.

I guess another thing is that the damage of a lot of weapons goes up with player skill.

[spice veldt]

breakpoint city 😔

[hidden crystal]

If you're a good shot, then you can get more out of a weapon that might not reach bodyshot breakpoints by getting headshots.

Brain Burst? It hits the head. It's always hit the head, ever since you were a Lvl 1 scrub.

[spice veldt]

brain burst being an aim assist weapon and having to be balanced around that will always make me sad

i have extreme hopium that the shards will be different, even though it's been essentially acknowledged in the pcgamer article to have a similar shtick

[plucky flax]

I mostly aim for bodyshot when playing vet.

My guns have breakpoint for bodyshot for that reason.

[spice veldt]

sounds like you're running remotely balanced weapons to have to dedicate a shred of your attention towards breakpoints smh

[plucky flax]

Helbore mk2 and mg12.

[hidden crystal]

And while it is funny that the easiest way to get the "get 20 headshot kills in a row" penance is not with the sharpshooter class but psykers, it does mean that there's very little you as a player can do, skill-wise, to get more damage out of your BBs.

[plucky flax]

Put unarmoured on it to 1 shot bodyshot outside of volley fire.

Autopistol/bolter also bodyshot city.

[spice veldt]

clearly the most skillful thing you can do is to play psyker 😎

[hidden crystal]

"Skill" with BBs largely equates to knowing whether you've got enough time to use it before someone smacks you. And maybe being able to acquire a target quickly while jumping out of cover without accidentally locking a groaner instead.

But no amount of masterful marksmanship can make BBs kill a reaper any faster than you could've done on your very first mission.

(Although, to be honest, as I've got a Ghost/Between the Eyes MG12, most of the time with Reapers I just line up the sights on their head and keep squeezing the trigger until they're dead).

(It doesn't deal much stagger, so you can just chain weakspot hits and be basically invulnerable to return fire).

[hidden crystal]

It is a class that can make you work, certainly.

[plucky flax]

163 vs 209 rating?

Some weird maths going on.

[hidden crystal]

They did something at some point that buffed the overall rating of Curios (although only the God-Emperor knows why, the rating itself has no impact in DT, unlike in VT2), and the Curios affected by it seem to have retained those elevated stats.

[grand fox]

what yall think

[blazing echo]

I think your going to be happy with your new sword 🙂

[vestal fulcrum]

It has a yucky First Target mod, but it’s probably serviceable

[naive sedge]

hmmmm

under what circumstances does deimos hit a 2nd target?

[rugged fiber]

charged attack

iirc

I'm still searching for my lvl4 deflector but still hasn't found it :^)

nevermind just got it by crafting

[plucky flax]

Deflector tiers don't affect the performance too much. The scaling is only from 3% to 12%.

[rugged fiber]

welp almost perfect

[rugged fiber]

yeah but rating

[plucky flax]

Playing without slaughterer.

[rugged fiber]

with obscurus it's fine

if it was Illisi that would be a crime x)

[plucky flax]

That sword is too hard for me to play so I made my illisi into a cursed sword with the thicc obscurus blade.

Thicc stubby illisi lul

[naive sedge]

Slaughterer adn other stacking power blessings seem like a balance problem

to the extent that you can have a balance problem in a coop pve game

[feral inlet]

just look at veteran

thats the most obvious balance problem in this game

[blazing echo]

when you say balance issue. Do you mean in relation to the enemies your fighting or to your kill ratio wrt to rest of team? If former, raise difficulty, if latter consider the rest of your team need better weapons?

[naive sedge]

I mean that it warps the entire game around it such as to make weapons only relevant if they have a stacking power blessing

There are going to be good builds and bad builds always

but if one thing makes 95% of everything else unimportant, thats poor design

And it affects the game overall by making the difficulty levels screwy

[blazing shale]

It's not good design but I'd rather see weaker blessings in general be better or bring something useful to the table. My personal gripe is how reliant you are on getting a good roll in combination with the right perks and blessings in order to reach certain breakpoints. Being able to kill e.g. a trash mob with one swing rather than two and such is a big deal, but some of the requirements are just bonkers tight.

[naive sedge]

Nah

The "never nerf, only buff" mentality just forces you to add new difficulty levels

Then you end up like Diablo 3 where everyone is building for speed and damage that kills enemies before they even are visible on the screen

and you have to add 5 new difficulty levels for people playing this hollow parody of your original game

[blazing shale]

If it gets out of hand, sure, though I personally trust Fatshark way more in regards to doing a decent job in that regard than I do Blizzard.

[steel flame]

First time huh?

[naive sedge]

The Auric mission board and maelstrom missions were great additions

But rebalancing the game to Pinning Fire levels of brokenness would be the next step on the bad cycle

They need to stay difficut

[steel flame]

Why does it need to be one extreme or the other with most people.

Personally I want to see the bad stuff get buffs or overhauls before having the only good stuff get nerfed into the ground. It's not too much to ask is it? I don't believe fatshark is capable of doing both at the same time based on their balance history with VT2

[naive sedge]

Because the smallest number of changes has the least likelihood of breaking everything

So nerf one thing instead of buffing 20

[steel flame]

Unfortunately this is not a pvp game and nerfing pinning fire is not suddenly going to make the other crap blessings better

[blazing shale]

Nah, it's just Blizzard has a notoriously terrible record in terms of anything balance.

[plucky flax]

He doesn't mind me blowing my trauma in his face.

[desert vault]

I finally tested out some rending/brittleness weapons and I was shocked at how much of a difference they make. I've got a ripper gun with can opener. Stabbing crushers then firing point blank absolutely shreds them.

[plucky flax]

Use trauma and it does big damage to crusher without needing rending.

[naive sedge]

it actually does. the idea that some blessings are "crap" is just due to seeing over powered blessings

[steel flame]

.....

[naive sedge]

It is tho!

[golden frigate]

it really is not

[naive sedge]

There is no objectively correct "goodness" that you can measure for a blessing to be at

its just human perception

And the human perceives Pinning Fire, and thinks thats how blessings "should" be

Take pinning fire away, problem solved.

Buff 20 blessings to be as good as Pinning Fire, suddenly the game is stupid and people walk through maelstroms W+M1

[golden frigate]

weakspot damage (any %) vs second and third salvo shot on a weapon that doesnt trigger the blessing naturally (most ranged options)

that's just one example of blessings being good vs crap by design

and not by "human perception"

[steel flame]

No amount of nerfing pinning is going to suddenly make cavalcade or powderburn or raking fire or speedload into good blessings

[naive sedge]

Doesn't sound intended, so it sounds more like a bug.

[golden frigate]

3/4 of the blessings are bugged then

and yeah, it is intended

[naive sedge]

I know its fatshark, and that early VT2 most Talents were in fact non-functional, but thats a big of an exaggeration

[spice veldt]

they trigger properly don't they

[golden frigate]

you'd need to pace your shots precisely to trigger the blessing, but that'd gimp you

[spice veldt]

it's just the bonus that's absolute dogshit

[golden frigate]

bonus and trigger condition, occasionaly

[spice veldt]

yeah the salvo condition is quite terrible in combination with the bonus

[naive sedge]

My favorite example here is the Zealot's Eviscerator. Its a good base weapon. But it doesn't have a Stacking Power Blessing, unlike Heavy Sword, Axes etc

So its automatically bad

[spice veldt]

even at it's base, its still bad

it wouldn't be able to take advantage of power/cleave blessings on its usual attacks anyways

damage target cap and all

[naive sedge]

Kind of makes one ask why some other weapons seem to evade this balancing mechanism, huh?

[spice veldt]

eh, this is the one mechanic that I would not wish upon any weapon that isn't an explosive weapon or something

I'd rather they just give it a nonzero min cleave damage, set a reasonable base cleave value, and tone down the power/cleave/hitmass blessings if need be

[plucky flax]

Buff antax cleave targets.

[spice veldt]

op

but I suppose it would make some arguments easier if some crackhead wants to take 2 cleave blessings

[plucky flax]

Power* but yeah

What's the point of the current cleave targets

[spice veldt]

oh I meant with respect to setting a damage target cap

so that cleave becomes useless past a point besides for stagger

god I am looking forward to the arguments next patch if there are any balance changes

[plucky flax]

Idc pinning fire nerf if they don't touch helbore mk2.

[naive sedge]

I'm sure there'll be something in 80+ new talents that is game breaking

and just general power creep

[spice veldt]

possibly

I know that crab found some real broken combinatioms

hopefully he didn't find all of them

[plucky flax]

Red trauma staff 100% all modifiers

Boom boom boom

I'm staying in damnation when they release cataclysm to abuse red trauma staff.

[gilded radish]

there is like no one playing auric missions

played 10 missions in a row with only bots

[plucky flax]

Dead game bro it has like 3k players.

I heard asian servers are pretty much dead.

I keep seeing asian names in EU now.

[gilded radish]

i just gotta wait till heydan and Eumense comes online

[gilded radish]

i have only seen russian ones

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah so many russians.

I block most of them they are so shit.

[gilded radish]

wow what the russians do to you, too deserve a block

[plucky flax]

Play bad + flame.

[gilded radish]

its hard to play darktide while being in the middle of a war

[plucky flax]

[gilded radish]

fun to play with ogryns until they are somehow always in your way

[blazing echo]

U is not complain when I 'ave to pick u up

[naive sedge]

Just shoot through them?

If you've tagged yoru target then whats the problem?

[ornate hamlet]

Been seeing a lot more plasma vets since I started playing my ogryn heh

I try to keep my thickness to the side though, keep fire lanes open

[blazing echo]

Same

[hollow current]

ARGH

[spice oar]

nice

[hollow current]

Why couldn't warp rest dump over first target. The 380 grey dumped first target and damage too.

[feral inlet]

ignores the 380 deimos

right below

[spice oar]

i mean, its still a really good as sword

[hollow current]

green came with built in Maniac.

[spice oar]

i doubt the change would make a noticable difference

[plucky flax]

Does kills from trauma secondary attack count as 'range kill' for the weekly contract?

[rugged fiber]

I love sooooo much non loading missions

[fresh reef]

does anybody happen to have the Spectate hud mod? went to download it but nexus is down lul

[rugged fiber]

I have it

[fresh reef]

pass me the zip in dms if ya wouldn't mind

[fresh reef]

or that works too

thank ya

[rugged fiber]

x)

np

[fresh reef]

lul thanks malwarebytes

very helpful

[rugged fiber]

well you never know dl from strangers

x)

[fresh reef]

nah it always marks my Discord downloads as sus

I should whitelist the domain but I'm lazy

[rugged fiber]

yup

[naive sedge]

Certainly aurics don't feel good at the moment

in a continuous circle of loading into ragequitters slots on unwinnable missions

but maybe thats nothing to do with player pop

[thorn cedar]

yea that was most of yesterday as well, you just get unlucky sometimes but repeatedly

had a dummy who got yeeted off a bridge by a pogryn, then he bitched that im throwing because i didnt have a thammer. then just sat afk after we rezzed him up

which i am real fucking tired of hearing, tbh. if you want a certain weapon, bring it yourself lol

[indigo portal]

If you're intending to do any Damnation+ missions you should do whatever you can for a premade. Even a bunch of randoms that queue together back to back will be better than fresh randoms.

[plucky flax]

It's free meme clutch material when solo queuing.

[fresh reef]

I either get randoms who manage to die to a trash horde, or I get god tier players thrust into a full hp boss spawn, during a horde, during a special wave

[lyric burrow]

i generally run maelstroms solo with randoms and i either get a fine team and we go a decent ways or complete it or we just die instantly

not that im perfect but since most of my time in this game is with randoms i dont think its too bad

but sometimes you just gonna get that team

[rugged fiber]

What I find stupid is that the death screen is sooooo long so it's just better to exit mission and launch a new one

[ornate hamlet]

But then you don't get your materials right?

[thorn cedar]

it's what i do

you do, if you leave on the correct screen

turns out doing this might be why the screen takes so long for everyone else, but it's too late

[rugged fiber]

booh I don't get mats

[ornate hamlet]

Ah. I always see people leave right after a wipe. Like why?

[thorn cedar]

pandora's box has been opened

[rugged fiber]

for people that have 100k of each they don't care

[thorn cedar]

and yea i dont even care

and on some losses we're talking maybe 40 plasteel

[ornate hamlet]

Fair enough I guess

[rugged fiber]

that's not the little mats you get on a loss that's gonna make the difference overall

[thorn cedar]

ill skip 40 plasteel to save myself two fkn minutes no question

[rugged fiber]

omg I almost missed that

[thorn cedar]

think of your retirement funds man

[rugged fiber]

yay not even 0.1% of my current funds

[lyric burrow]

ive been trying to make multiple perfect weapons so i actually need plasteel despite having 570 hours in the game

i might just have bad luck

although making a perfect weapon in this game is a little bit painful

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah that's the camp I'm in too. I always have something "perfect" to chase so I end up needing all the mats. (Besides Diamantene, stopped caring about that a long time ago) Dockets end up being the bottleneck

Just to find good bases

Y'know. Before gets em

[smoky mulch]

Quick sanity check. The blessings from one kind of staff do not apply to other kinds of staffs, correct? Or have they set it up so a staff is a staff is a staff?

[indigo portal]

Each staff has a unique set of blessings. You cannot take one from a Surge staff and put it on a Trauma for example.

[smoky mulch]

slick. thank you much

[spice veldt]

i made the 200iq decision of swapping to bolter vet in the meantime

[olive ember]

@spice veldt you disgust me

[lyric burrow]

ive been playing bolter vet too

its like entering a cheat code

i pull the trigger and the room dies and i get all my ammo back

the reload is faster than plasma reload even with animation cancelling the reload

it does plasmas job better than plasma 😭

[spice veldt]

plasma does have the hipfire accuracy

except until you ult and then bolter has an extremely small hipfire reticle

[lyric burrow]

yeah i was gonna say bolter feels very accurate hipfiring

esp when you need 2 bullets to kill something

also plasma better have better hipfire it cant ADS lol

[pure olive]

welp, funny thing I think while holding plasma you cannot be suppresed.

[spice veldt]

would be doubly sad if it did have inaccuracy

yeah, you can't get suppressed while hipfiring or braced

that's one benefit of stuff like brautos and the shredder

[lyric burrow]

oh huh i actually didnt notice that

probably why they arent the most accurate guns at range

[olive ember]

isn't that just vet in general

when you use vet ability you cant get surpressed

[spice veldt]

your hipfire/bracing reticle won't go all over the place like it will whenever you're ADSing and you're getting shot at

[olive ember]

oh well yeah

[languid tusk]

waht do i remove for slaughterer ?

[ornate hamlet]

Riposte imo

Idk they’re both bad

[spice veldt]

exorcist does let you quell with a followup attack after a special so i'd probably keep that

though your warp res is high anyways

[languid tusk]

I could also replace both

but then i'd lose damage to flak 🤔

[ornate hamlet]

Tbh I think two good blessings would be better than two good perks here but thats just me

Depends on what you were wanting your 2nd blessing to be maybe

[languid tusk]

I was thinking deflector

but im not sure if there are any other good options

[blazing echo]

Is there not a benefit for peril buffed damage to keep it high?

[ornate hamlet]

unstable power is usually the other 2nd pick behind deflector

[blazing echo]

I generally try to run round all purple tentacled

[hidden crystal]

That somewhat explains the silly experimentation I was doing the other day. I still don't think it's a particularly effective strategy, but I was wondering whether the "hide behind deflector to pull off quickdraw headshots" would be completely stymied by being suppressed before you even started. But no, as long as you've got enough toughness to soak the damage you take while the block is down, you can pull it off:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1146960964147757219/2023-09-01_01-04-57.mp4

[spice veldt]

special-spam is ideal with the illisi

so if you're constantly getting capped, you won't be able to spam the special as much

the damage buff from warp unleashed and/or unstable power is generally not worth it over being able to spam the special

besides breakpoints and whatnot

[spice veldt]

that is an actually interesting use case

gunslinger psyker

[plucky flax]

I run deflector in melee only modifier.

[spice veldt]

swapping out your weapons and curios for modifiers is cringe

and takes a few clicks of too much effort

my excuse is that a bunch of my loadouts have stuff that's for testing

and i'm too lazy to build them for specific stuff

[languid tusk]

which one is taht ?

[hidden crystal]

You've also got to accept that passive quelling and battle meditation mean you can't constantly maintain maxed peril anyway. And while Warp Absorption is arguably the best Illisi specific toughness feat, anything that boosts your quelling is good for a Quietitude build.

[spice veldt]

passive quelling does enforce a minimum limit of a special every 3 seconds

compared to the ~1.3 usual seconds if you had some free peril

and battle meditation is not the most reliable thing even if you get a ton of surface area unless it's a groaner horde and your sword is built to one-shot 26 of them

i do think that the toughness regen from melee kills themselves is underrated even with just quietitude

[hidden crystal]

I think to work really well you'd need to stack more toughness than I've got here, but it could make for an interesting build based around Gloryhunter. (This revolver is actually still grey. Good base stats, but I've not yet built up the courage to have Hadron do something horrible to it).

[spice veldt]

though if you're not rambo-ing into ranged patrols, then low warp res will make it less painful for ranged engagements for quietitude

[spice veldt]

we can presumably stack up some more toughness with the new skill tree, which will be interesting

walk into some gunners, build up peril with deflector and get more DR from kinetic shield, and then blam blam

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, my Illisi for a long time has been only 52% Warp Res, which is a bit limiting from the perspective of spamming specials, but the first few specials will get Slaughterer and Warp Unleashed up to speed at least, then any quelling you get helps keep your toughness topped through Quietitude.

I did get one recently with better base stats, but I need to decide how much losing the rapid peril charging and losing a tier of Slaughterer bugs me:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1145467048902791188/image.png

I think I might keep running the 52% WR one on my gunpsyker builds (where I can often expect to be initiating melee at a low starting Peril), and put the higher WR one on my (infrequently used) staff builds.

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, I wouldn't generally take off Deflector either; it's on all my regular force swords, and it's not worth the resources to change it for one mission.

[lyric burrow]

i also have a low warp res sword and it is nice for unstable and quietitude

but not ideal just cause specials are so good

[spice veldt]

it's a shame that picking another perk costs mats now each time, but it is what it is

[hidden crystal]

I'm happy to take it over setting the re-roll mod to whatever perk I do want, then waiting two minutes for it to actually roll what I asked for.

Which was an ugly workaround to a frustrating system.

[languid tusk]

i made it like this in the end

exorcist is nice when hitting a horde, it autoquells almost all the peril i gain from special attack

also it activates quietitude

[spice oar]

Oh damm didn't know that

[fervent tiger]

w

mood

[fresh reef]

what's the difference between the mk2 and mk4 dueling swords?

[viral solstice]

mk 2 has a bugged first heavy

that has 0.7 cleave but the damage of a cleave not a strikedown

so is basically just bad

[compact bluff]

yea but mk 4 also has a bugged heavy in that its 2nd heavy stab's damage frames just last for insanely long (probably like 800ms) so you can literally drag it around corners
or, a more comical but not useful example, stab a groaner in front of you and 180 to stab one behind you with the same attack

[hidden crystal]

With Quietitude, any quelling triggers it. Active, passive, battle meditation, your Ult, the Exorcist blessing... they all count. If your peril goes down, you get half of that back as toughness.

It's not like some other things where the definition is much narrower than it might suggest - with Quietitude, it's absolutely everything.

[tired cobalt]

Anyone have advice on curios at the highest level? I have a nearly perfect deimos and trauma staff, but I can't decide what to do for curios. I've bounced around between maxing health or toughness, but no one combination feels perfect. Additionally, what are the ideal perks? I usually stack toughness regen and a significant amount of block efficiency based upon my deimos roll/build. Any recommendations?

[hollow current]

I think Sniper Res is good. That way you only lose a third of your health on an unlucky shot rather than two thirds.

[gaunt wagon]

gunner resistance is nice because you cant really dodge all the bullets if your in a bad spot

i like having deflector on the force sword and a +3 stam curio so i can just block bullets to get in nice spots

but thats because i use purgatus

[slate sun]

Most guys here take gunner, but it's up to you who you have a problem with most.
Bomber res is pretty useless imo.
Otherwise take toughness and toughness regen, if you use kinetic shield it synergizes quite nicely

[gaunt wagon]

also uncanny strike on the deimos is interesting

can get 100% rending for hitting the enemy weakpoints 5 times

and you get 4 from using the special and hitting a weak point

i think

[lyric burrow]

I take toughness regen/gunner res/sniper res/health or toughness

[slate sun]

deimos cuts through everything warp charged anyway, so probably deflector + slaughterer is what you want most right ?

[gaunt wagon]

i cant get 5 kills with the deimos in time for it to be useful for me to use slaughterer

should i change the 20% damage to unarmored enemies for unyielding damage

on deimos

im not sure what i want to switch it to

i already have flak damage

on the other slot

[gusty furnace]

Not only is Bomber Res pretty useless, its actually useless.

It only affects the bomber kick damage

Does absolutely nothing about his flame damage

[spice veldt]

they patched it so that it affects the ground fire now

[gusty furnace]

Oh

neat

[spice veldt]

though it doesn't do anything about the instant toughness break

[slate sun]

carapace flak or maniac flak or unyielding flak I guess

[gusty furnace]

So falls into >pretty useless

[spice veldt]

woohoo

[gusty furnace]

This is the most annoying part of flamers/bombers

Whoops all your toughness is gone because you touched one pixel of fire

It should just tick HP/Toughness damage equally

instead of instantly deleting all of your toughness

[spice veldt]

I'd prioritize maniac damage because of mutants

[gusty furnace]

Flak/Maniac is the way to go on every melee weapon in the game except for a couple

[spice veldt]

it's certainly unusual how barrel and specialist fire works differently

[slate sun]

with the fast attack you can actually ramp up Slaughterer very quickly, then you also don't need any boosters to deal with unarmored

[gusty furnace]

Mk3B Club, Mk1 Bully Club, Thunder Hammer, and. . . Power Maul

[slate sun]

I prefer carapace flak because I go berserk when pinned down too hard, so I don't know what I'm hitting 😄

[spice veldt]

the primary curio perks will likely change over time; at the beginning, I leaned into health and eventually transitioned into more toughness as I got comfier

of course, it's subject to how you play, and this applies to side perks as well

[gusty furnace]

this sums up how I feel about HP vs Toughness

HP just gives me more resources to spend

[spice veldt]

yeah, though toughness is similarly a resource that can be traded

[gusty furnace]

Yeah but it can't be traded as effectively because of chip damage

[spice veldt]

and benefits from DR such as from kinetic shield and dodges/slides

[gusty furnace]

and I'm always nuts deep in some kind of clusterfuck

[spice veldt]

same, and I can usually avoid chip damage as a psyker

though there are map sections that are significantly harder

[gaunt wagon]

wait what happens if you go full stam and stam regen curios with a reflector on the force sword

[gusty furnace]

Mostly though, for me, it comes down to everyone getting more HP than toughness per curio

[gaunt wagon]

just weaker ogryn?

[spice veldt]

and having toughness also prevents stagger from the likes of ranged enemies, which is always nice

[gusty furnace]

Can't get staggered if the enemies are dead

tappingtemple.gif

[slate sun]

only if you block

[spice veldt]

though you won't always be able to kill them fast enough

[gusty furnace]

Now with all of this said, a Zealot going all in on the toughness build with Thy Wrath be Swift can be nuts

[spice veldt]

and since you do get toughness from melee kills/warp absorption, having more toughness can be the difference between losing toughness over time or balancing it out or even getting more toughness than you lose it

[gusty furnace]

Shooter group? More like melee practice.

[gaunt wagon]

i mean you can also go brain burst build and cd reduction on psy wrath

with the shield

and be full sped

for the times where your not blocking

this is the worst build i have ever thought of

we doomed

[spice veldt]

if I were playing particularly safe, I'd only really take a single HP curio and 3x +HP side perks to get >200 hp

which does put you over the BP to avoid losing a wound to two poxbursters (inner radius) and potentially surviving two sniper shots with 1x sniper res

[slate sun]

@gaunt wagon
you can try it out I guess, the way I play purg and Deimos however is that I don't really block ...
I usually just switch to the other weapon and attack instead 😄

[gaunt wagon]

lightning staff, ill sword with reflector and shield

we doomed

[slate sun]

with BB build ?

it sounds so team dependent it's like chewing your foot off 😄

any lightining stick fans here at this hour?

I'm looking for motivation

it still didn't convince me so far, though I've seen some other siblings do extremely well in damnation

[hollow current]

I like how the surge staff can clear out flak shooters that are behind cover.

[slate sun]

that is true

pretty much anything behind cover

you can even shoot around corners

[hollow current]

I'm currently using the right and it's pretty great asides from the warp res. The left is one I had laying around I just noticed.

Do I upgrade Warp flurry or change/upgrade the crit perk?

[dapper dove]

Surge is the way

[slate sun]

Maniac to Flak I'd say

honestly guys ... but the damage drop from Purgatus hurts so bad
and yet... I've seen someone outdamage me a couple of times with surge, not sure if they were going melee much more often

or if it was just the matter of stick handling proficiency

for example - do you aim for full charge or low charge?

[gaunt wagon]

i use warp flurry on the purgatus so ill use low charge if im caught by a small/large horde for the stagger on the enemies

but if you have time to charge full without them being close to you or your team then go ahead

or get a better spot and charge while sliding

you can also stagger bulwarks with purgatus if they were already in the animation and it just ended

[slate sun]

oh with Purgtus I feel I know what's going on 🙂 it's the Surge staff I don't get

specifically when compared to Purg - it just lacks the punch for me

[potent echo]

If you fully charge the staff you can kill (1-2) shooters behind cover

Just repeat until all are dead

[slate sun]

testing in the Psykhanium it seemed that it doesn't make a difference whether it was full or half
The crit tick was always in the end when finishing the attack and the numbers were roughly the same

but maybe it is misleading ...

[potent echo]

I depends on the number of targets, less targets = more damage per target

Also crit is good for the left click ball, can practice quell cancelling

Left click > tap reload > left click

[slate sun]

so basically zapping hordes is rather pointless altogether?

Did anyone do tests regarding the damage drop off ?

[potent echo]

They do very little to unarmored/infested

The shock at least

Yea you shouldn't zap hordes unless they are v sparse/scattered and you want to just control them

[slate sun]

so you need Illisi or someone else to do the cleanup ?

[near wyvern]

Yes you should run Illisi with surge

[potent echo]

Yea it's a tradeoff between illisi and deimos

Deimos has okay horde clear but very good elite/mutant killing

[near wyvern]

Otherwise you are just doing funny visuals during a horde

[potent echo]

Illisi has crazy horse clear but struggles with killing mutants

[slate sun]

precisely I felt most of the time 😄

[potent echo]

Surge/illisi you just shock and pray your team kills the mutant

[upper galleon]

Not really

you can do 2 charged illisi attacks in the time of 1 deimos attack

which when you pump up the difficulty of missions, becomes A lot better

pretty sure it 2 shots if you hit weakspot too (with 4 charges)

[potent echo]

I prefer the big stabby, I'm more comfortable with it

[upper galleon]

I was too, until i started going into auric maelstroms and hi stg

[potent echo]

Deimos H2 has headshot priority too so it's easier in a pinch

Or it's facing a wall

[upper galleon]

then the lock time really punishes and I don't like doing l1 H2

[potent echo]

Oh

[near wyvern]

Are you absolutely sure about that answer?

https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10?start=35

Nevertheless, Illisi with +25 maniac is fine against mutants as long as it's not a conga line.

[potent echo]

I only use l1 h2

[upper galleon]

plus illisi+ warp absorption

[upper galleon]

I was referring to the deimos charged attack

not the H2, that is my bad

[potent echo]

You mean the special

[upper galleon]

yes. the weapon activation

[near wyvern]

The only time you use the charged attack on Deimos is when there is a single elite left. Stun locking yourself is a very bad idea when you play a class that's gone in a couple hits.

[upper galleon]

Illisi warp absorption meme too good

[near wyvern]

Warp Absorption is bad. It only gives you toughness when you are winning, and at that point you don't need it.

[upper galleon]

warp absorption is only bad if you aren't using a staff/illisi

sure it's bad if you run deimos+shredder for example

[near wyvern]

Nah, even with a staff it's bad. Been many times nuked by a ranged squad with it and there is nothing you can do. Seen many times Psykers get nuked by ranged squads that are running it.

With Essence Harvest and Quietitude allow you to play peek a boo in a pinch. With Warp Absorption you are fucked if your toughness is gone against ranged and you gotta pray your team can save you.

[upper galleon]

or use your staff

unless you are running purge and they are far away

[near wyvern]

Even with void it's not killing ranged fast enough

[upper galleon]

no issue for me if I'm trauma or (the rare range scab only mission) surge

or simply slide spam angles to some trash and get your bar back up instantly with illisi

[potent echo]

If your team has an okay vet you don't need to worry about shooters, but in pubs

[near wyvern]

There are moments where there are no trash but only far away ranged. That's when you need the toughness and that's when warp absorption is the weakest.

[upper galleon]

then you BB and stick to cover if you dont have a ranged option

🤷

but there is very, very few areas in the game where you don't have the option of slide spamming between cover pieces

if they are so far away you can't reliably use the basic M1 or voidstrike, then you close the gap or BB, you don't want to take toughness damage standing in the open

[potent echo]

True but those are very low pressure scenarios

Usually there are mutants charging around with hounds and a chaos spawn in the mix while shooters are taking potshots from across the map

That's where you would love having the other two toughness Regen talents

I think that's what pygex means by warp absorption only works when you are winning/in control

When a horde comes you should be celebrating

[upper galleon]

it works on bruisers, any BB kills, any staff kills, any activated illisi kill

you aren't hopeless without a horde

[potent echo]

It works but essence harvest works better in worse situations

It doesn't work as good in calm scenarios

[upper galleon]

that could be my bias cause I play auric damnation minimum

so at least Hi+one other modifier, if not the auric maelstrom

very rarely is there "calm scenarios"

[potent echo]

Warp absorption I can see it being good as it lets you be more aggressive and you can argue it lets you keep things under control more

[near wyvern]

I always play auric damnation, have seen a couple Psykers rage quit who ran warp absorption when there were no vets in the team

[upper galleon]

I'd rage quit auric damn if I was playing zealot/ogryn without a vet

but i don't need ammo and I don't RQ cause I guess I'm not as reliant as those psykers

[still hearth]

Essence Harvest is a trap don't @ me.

[cyan notch]

@still hearth

[autumn smelt]

is it just me or is ranged fire physically moving you just incredibly unfun

like i just had a single gunner taking a single potshot at me, and that pushback was enough to prevent me from fully dodging out of a tox flamers flame trail hitbox, which dealt the last tick to my health and killed me

[slate sun]

you have to treat it as a lit fart, chaos guys are quite gasy

[potent echo]

True I'm beginning to hate it

[autumn smelt]

i just cant stand having my movement and mobility altered at a moments notice
like mutants and dogs and such are fine cuz thats their thing right, just dodge them and youre fine
but being shoved and tossed and slowed at any given moment by someone whos 100 meters away is the mobility version of struggling to breath to me, it just fucking hurts

[upper galleon]

Have to get used to spamming slide

At an angle cause I think psyker only has 50% toughness DR while sliding

[potent echo]

I bind crouch to mouse button so I can dodge slide constantly

[upper galleon]

Sliding at an angle counts as a dodge and enemies will miss you

[slate sun]

it's still possible to get stuck, e.g when a bomber throws one under your feet

or if you get pushed by a flame ...

then you can crouch all you want

[potent echo]

Looking forward to the October psyker bubble shield thing

Reapers begone

[mellow gorge]

i more curious to know what the 3rd option is

[gaunt wagon]

whats a good amount of toughness on a curio for the base stat

[autumn smelt]

i do it so much already i even try to do it in waframe out of habit

even with force swords, the dodge slide can just get completely thrown out of wack and it feels like im fighting the controls to actually do what i want my character to do

[slate sun]

17

ever since they made 2 stats modifiable curios are pretty straightforward to get

[autumn smelt]

yeah, the slowdown from the flame from the instance i was talking about made that single gunners pushback infinitely more impactful than it would have been otherwise

[still hearth]

[slate sun]

and if you're hit by gunners / fire / granades you go:
https://media.giphy.com/media/YLt0dcVELcUTeWv8As/giphy.gif

and then you die

[languid tusk]

that's when you whip out the bullet block

[indigo portal]

Toughness DR while sliding is only for melee attacks. Any slide will allow you to be immune to ranged attacks, at any angle. You can also sprint perpendicular to the ranged fire to enter a dodge state against it, anyone can do it iirc.

It's technically not even toughness DR either. It's Health DR scaled by current toughness * class coefficient based on current class (1 for Zealot, 0.5 for Psyker/Vet, 0 for Ogryn).

[olive ember]

Too many words

Make it simpler

Surge staff is meta and best staff yes?

Yes

[north pike]

What blessings for the illisi ? I feel like this boys gonna work out

Do also have this one

[lyric burrow]

slaughterer/unstable or slaughterer/deflector

[north pike]

Alrighty! Assume Maniac flak, as well

[lyric burrow]

yep

[blazing echo]

its a satisfying headlopper

[north pike]

And purgatus changes? Warp flurry over run... and flak over groaners and pox ?

[jovial oak]

yea

[tacit flume]

7 missions failed in a row

I cannot get my psyker up to 30

[regal jasper]

That was me til i got voidstrike staff my beloved

Now i lose half as much

[languid tusk]

after much consideration this is what i landed on for the illisi

[tacit flume]

I just need people to not be awful

Too mush to ask I guess

[languid tusk]

now i can block and dodge spam through the whole level

[regal jasper]

Yummy

[regal jasper]

Yeah randos kinda suck

I haven’t played as much recently

Get too sad at the thought of no friends

[languid tusk]

hey if anyone wants to try a 4 psyker team i'd be up for it XD

[regal jasper]

Id be down if it wasn’t 2 am and my work today wasn’t a rush from the second i walked in to the second i got home

[lavish summit]

Don’t sleep on the trauma staff. Once you get a good one, that thing kills like nothing else

[haughty scarab]

Is that a kill everything before you die to a light breeze run?

[regal jasper]

Voidstrike, my beloved

Big boom

Makes me go teehee

[lavish summit]

Fair enough, but counterpoint:
Trauma, my beloved

[regal jasper]

I hold M2 and then click M1 and, oop, uh oh that hoard is gone

[languid tusk]

the best kind of run

[haughty scarab]

[lavish summit]

I love stealing all the killing a lot of enemies voice lines

Very gratifying

[regal jasper]

I blow everything up so i can get words of encouragement from other characters

I need something in my life pushing me up

[lavish summit]

^

[languid tusk]

i wish it was that easy to get words of encouragement irl

[haughty scarab]

I'm gonna make a drake meme for this

[regal jasper]

Same

[regal jasper]

Go ahead lol

Shit smells so good

Like genuinely

[hidden crystal]

I think everyone else as a psyker is one of the rarest team combos I've seen, probably roughly tied with the all-female team.

I've had quite a lot of teams that I've been on that are everyone else zealot, everyone else vet or everyone else ogryn, as well as a reasonable number of two psykers + someone else, but me and three other psykers is rare.

[regal jasper]

My second favorite candle i own

[lavish summit]

That sounds hella sus coming from zealot of nurgle

[haughty scarab]

What the fuck lmao

[hidden crystal]

... statements that are not good out of context.

[haughty scarab]

[regal jasper]

My first favorite candle is one my boyfriend made me

He hid little rocks in it so as it gets used i get rock gifts

[regal jasper]

I mean context is a nurgle candle

So like there isn’t much difference

[regal jasper]

It smells really good

Like unironic

[hidden crystal]

My recollection is that I've been on maybe three or four all-psyker teams. Of which the first was a fairly rapid and miserable failure.

[haughty scarab]

@regal jasper

[hidden crystal]

I don't remember much about the others.

[regal jasper]

Lol

[haughty scarab]

That's crazy

[regal jasper]

All ogryn teams seem to be the most common tbh

[haughty scarab]

I've only seen that once

But then one dced before the run started

[hidden crystal]

It's called skill, zealot.

[regal jasper]

I see it 9 times out of 10 every time i play ogryn

[regal jasper]

No its cuz i spam fire voidstrike so i get compliments

[haughty scarab]

Bro I've done like 50 runs this week, maybe 10 ogryns besides me

But that's fine, I get to take all the ogryn credit

Oh sorry psykers, we totally hijacked your chat

[regal jasper]

I once joined a game at extraction and it was all ogryn

I main psyker

Ogryn is my second character

[haughty scarab]

See with the big brain stuff this makes sense

I just hit things and take alot of damage

So ogryn

[regal jasper]

Philosophy convos are always the best imo

Unless people are refusing to try to understand and just call you stupid

Otherwise they are amazing

[haughty scarab]

That's cool

[hidden crystal]

Discussing philosophy with an all-Ogryn party usually goes well.

[regal jasper]

Haven’t tried

[hidden crystal]

Meaning of life? Hit stuff, get rations.

[haughty scarab]

We kill things with rock, or stick?

We kill things with big bomb

👍

[regal jasper]

Talked about death and nothingness a bit ago with friends

Then I found a silly meme with a dancing crab

[hidden crystal]

I may at some point find the energy to get my vet (which was the first class I started) up to Lvl 30.

But I've found I've just enjoyed psyker more.

[languid tusk]

sounds stupid tbh

[regal jasper]

):

[haughty scarab]

@regal jasper Do you normally do heresy or damnation? Once the update releases I'll be playing alot so we could get a team together

[regal jasper]

I do malice lol

I can do damnation

[haughty scarab]

I do alot of malice too

I never do damnation

[regal jasper]

I just have a fragile ego so i run malice to win

[haughty scarab]

Too much effort and my gear isn't good enough

[regal jasper]

Yeah

[haughty scarab]

[blazing echo]

I resemble that remark

[regal jasper]

I need better curos or whatever the fuck they called

[haughty scarab]

Wait malice is the 3rd tier right

[haughty scarab]

Curios

[regal jasper]

Yeah

[flint pawn]

Tried Voidstrike staff in Damnation for the first time

[haughty scarab]

It's another word for trinket or oddity

[flint pawn]

I love balling

[regal jasper]

I did

Twas fun

I lost while extracting

[flint pawn]

The support surge Psyker got top damage because I was too busy quellcanceling barrels

[hidden crystal]

Or could be churros. That is also a valid thing to want.

[regal jasper]

On a diet

[haughty scarab]

Ogryn would trade his curios for churros if possible

[regal jasper]

But yeah i want one

[haughty scarab]

I respect it

[hidden crystal]

I ran a couple of Malice Maelstroms recently to get an idea of the modifiers before I made a complete fool of myself trying at higher difficulties, and I was not expecting to be one shotting mutants.

[regal jasper]

Dayum

[feral inlet]

mutant wavers maelstorms are

1.5k hp mutants iirc

or 2k

an illisi can oneshot two of them at once

[slate sun]

yea this will happen a lot 😦 Voidstrike is just sad on Damnation

though people had good results with blazing voidstrike

I don't know how ...

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, it was odd lining up lasgun sights and then the thing just dropping dead.

I think I consider myself Damnation capable. I generally don't feel I'm letting the team down, at least, although there's only so much I can shoulder things if I get put on a mediocre team or I have to clutch.

[blazing echo]

on Damn either I make a silly mistake or someone else does. 90% guaranteed

[slate sun]

I usually take my time at the start, then if the team is scattered already around 1 minute from first sighting the enemy ... I just leave

[regal jasper]

Mine wasn’t

I only died at the end of the mission cuz i got distracted and squad all died

[slate sun]

Well you can have very good teams and you can make it work in corridors, but the lack of one-headshot possiblity on harder enemies make it lackluster

[regal jasper]

I guess i see your point

[slate sun]

I miss the snapping sound so badly ...

[hidden crystal]

The silly mistake on a few recent missions has been no-one doing the actual objective.

Or, rather, no-one helping me do the objective.

[blazing echo]

I accidentally charged as an orgyn down a corridor of gunners and triggered a chaos spawn

wrecked the team right at the end in 15 seconds

[slate sun]

the best way to ruin 4 people's day is to shoot a full charge Voidstrike ball and hit a demon host 😄

[hidden crystal]

I really need to add a "do the fragging objective" hotkey to my quickchat

[languid tusk]

need plasteel to upgrade curio, need upgraded curio to run damnation, need to run damnation to get plasteel

🤔

[slate sun]

go heresy, heresy is great fun

[plucky flax]

Warp kills from staves don't count for 'range kill' weekly contract.

Psyker discrimination.

[hard breach]

How is this news? We are psykers, we barely deserve to live. At least we're useful enough not to be sent to be consumed by the emperor for now

[plucky flax]

[naive sedge]

I've been gunpsyking so long I forgot this

[rugged fiber]

Yeah I see more and more gunpsyker

[plucky flax]

225 smol shooters with trauma

[spice veldt]

you especially do not want to zap the when they're few in numbers and scattered because that prevents them from clumping up, unless they're about whack on an unaware teammate or something

so annoying when surge psykers surge hordes, and doubly annoying when they do it at the tail end when there are only a few left

especially in a world where >10 cleave melee weapons exist

[thorn cedar]

i keep telling my buddy to put the staff away but he cant seem to stop lol

its like an electric addiction

very embarrasing when you perils-plode yourself surging a horde of all things

[spice veldt]

i'd be tempted to make them go into the psykhanium and see the damage/target limit of the psykhanium for themselves

unless you've already done that and there's no hope left

[lunar hollow]

you can lead a surge user to the damage numbers...

[thorn cedar]

he's not stupid, just addicted

my favourite was watching him trying to surge a nurgle-blessed mauler several times to no CC effect, just to overheat himself, and then get overheaded before he exploded

it's funny since i do play Damnation Maelstroms with him and if he brings anything else he's very good at the game

it's just surge staff. something about it breaks people's brains the way that camo expert does for certain veterans

[spice veldt]

such a cruel world that we live in

[spice veldt]

warp absorption is niche, but it's certainly not bad if you build around it

if you stack toughness along with kinetic shield, you'll have quite the buffer against ranged enemies to get close and blast them with trauma or illisi

[thorn cedar]

i dont disagree though, it's generally strongest when you're already kicking ass, with the exception of illisi special

i keep waffling between Quietude and WA on my Purgatus

[spice veldt]

strongest when there's trash around yeah

I run it with trauma + illisi and it's fairly comfy for me

[plucky flax]

Nothing's wrong with surging horde don't listen to haters.

[thorn cedar]

based and lightning-pilled

[plucky flax]

I don't play surge that often but when I do it's surging time.

[spice veldt]

there are some uncomfortable areas like some parts of vigil station where diving with melee or fighting with trauma at a distance isn't as effective to proc warp absorption

but trauma + illisi with warp absorption on linear maps like silo cluster, magistrati, chasm assassination, etc. is fairly consistent

you don't get quietitude for boss spawns, which is fairly important nowadays, but otherwise you get to play a lot more aggressively

[plucky flax]

(blaze) trauma is op against shooters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WrRGbVgnZU

[hoary badge]

more like stairs are op against trauma

[plucky flax]

Tru dat. Biggest weakness.

[spice veldt]

the true enemy was bad infrastructure all along

[magic sigil]

I'm still stuck with the Malleus Monstronum Penance and it sucks that I have to rely on people to do it

[steel flame]

i swear the game is taunting me now

ive spent the last 4 months hunting for the surge blessing for voidsstaff

and now ive had a surge voidstrike in the melk store THREE DAYS IN A ROW

im gonna reach into my screen and strangle melk i swear to god

[plucky flax]

Melk hasn't given me anything good for months.

140k+ melk coins and I'm not even doing contracts on all characters.

[steel flame]

in other news surge sucks cause it doesnt work with quell canceling 0/10 i want my goddam machinegun staff fatshark

[potent echo]

yea thats my idea like their exposed flanks has like 3 stragglers you just shock em

[cinder timber]

Hey I also still have to do the penance. I could even provide a Tanky Ogryn 😉

[magic sigil]

I'll be home in a few

[cinder timber]

sounds good 🙂

[potent echo]

i hate this level, just stairs and nonstop shooters without any real cover

[smoky mulch]

does sustained fire on the trauma force staff apply to subsequent uses of the secondary, or just the primary shot?

[magic sigil]

I'm here

Strike team 5

[plucky flax]

Yeah that stairs section holds so many shooters.

Also some area is way too big making looting everything take a while.

[naive sedge]

obsessive looters are a problem when you got two of them. Can't babysit both of them

[fallow dawn]

from mission

[plucky flax]

I feel attacked.

[smoky mulch]

are there different situational uses for chargging surge staff all the way up, vs just blasting as quick as you can?

like, lots of quick secondary attacks being better bang for your buck against shitty goon hordes or anything?

I'm trying to figure this thing out. lol

[plucky flax]

Full charge does a lot more damage (still low) against maniac and unarmoured. If you want to take out those targets I'll say charge up.

For flak just quickly send lightning their way cos surge is op against flak.

[smoky mulch]

got it. little goons full charge, flak goons, whatever strikes my fancy.

so, with it being great against flak armor to start with, is it worth replacing this 20% bonus to flak armor, with a 25% bonus to carapace armor, and trying to be a well rounded weapon?

I've also got a level 4 warp flurry I can put on it.

[mild junco]

I was wondering, what perks do you use on a staff ? Flak because flak is omnipresent, then ?

[smoky mulch]

yea, I was just looking in the meat grinder, and I guess... one big ogryn guy and one dudfes helmet is carapace?

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah the maulers have a carapace helm on

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, carapace is basically only Crushers and Maulers' heads. Which for many weapons just means "smack them in the body instead".

I think some parts of Reapers and Bulwarks are carapace, but I forget which.

[smoky mulch]

yea, supposedly, but it just says "unyeilding" whe I hit their arms and legs.

[ornate hamlet]

If you hit their flesh it's unyielding. Most of their armor is flak

[plucky flax]

Nah keep flak. Also you need warp nexus as a blessing.

[ornate hamlet]

I think bulwarks have carapace pieces to their armor but they're mostly naked behind the shield

[plucky flax]

My own surge staff has flak and crit chance to maximise flak damage. It does little damage to non-flak anyway I don't feel like it's worth it to get unarmoured or maniac.

[ionic oriole]

Im working towards a blazing spirit trauma staff build because it looks fun should I use the crit chance blessing in the other slot or the charge speed one?

Charge speed seems more useful overall but then I’m stuck with 10% crit chance with the 5% perk and if blazing spirit crits it kinda just melts everything with wildfire

Idk kinda torn

I hope psyker gets some crit chance feats in the class overhaul

[strong gulch]

For blazing trauma you want Nexus instead of Flurry.

[plucky flax]

You want 80% or as high as possible charge rate and use nexus.

[strong gulch]

Crit change is really important to proc the flames.

Also, you can quell cancel the charge attack.

[plucky flax]

Good luck tho trying to craft a strong blaze trauma is a bitch.

[magic sigil]

Finally Maellus Monstronum done ❤️

[ionic oriole]

Thanks for the help

I should probably run + crit chance and + flak damage in the perk slots

• flak to compensate for soulblaze not being as strong against flak

and + flak is kinda just the best perk 90% of the time

[plucky flax]

Supreme blaze trauma

[hidden crystal]

Seeing as you don't need to replace either blessing, you could bump that crit perk up to T4

Unless, I suppose, you're holding out in the hope T4 Blaze is ever added to staffs.

[plucky flax]

Ye that was my idea.

4% vs 5% not much improvement.

[magic sigil]

Done all Redacted penances before hitting 30

[languid tusk]

how did you do malleum monstrum ? you need private game but you need friend for private game. it is the hardest challenge to overcome for me

[magic sigil]

I just did it earlier grouped with people from the server that came to help me, and vice versa

the easiest one is having a shield ogryn aggro a Daemon host and standing in guard, while a psyker brain burst till it dies

while the 2 other players covers you for hordes and specials

Very difficult, but it was hella fun

[spice veldt]

doesn't work on the RMB unfortunately

[smoky mulch]

shucks

I've been going back and trying to branch out how I play psyker, and I keep coming up empty. lol. brain burst baddies and flamer hordes, seems to be all I'm good for. lol

I want to lighting bolt, but I'm just stunning things at best.

[spice veldt]

I play melee Psyker myself since that usually nets me the most elite and special kills

[fresh reef]

what should I change here?

[smoky mulch]

is that just a funsies thing, or is there extra value for actually being the one to kill eliets and specialists that the game doesn't tell you?

[spice veldt]

there are three reasons

[sullen bobcat]

Saves ammo for others since psyker doesn't have any

[spice veldt]

I'm a crack addict, I don't trust my team to kill elites/specials, and I run psykinetic's aura

[sullen bobcat]

Also things that run away, a BB doesn't care after you get the lock

Especially if they run through horde and are behind horde

[spice veldt]

and BB is quite nice for just taking a peek and going back to cover

and if your aim isn't the best, the aim assist will prove very useful in those scenarios

[sullen bobcat]

I try to BB dogs if I'm not in melee or targeted because their fucking space program is ridiculous

[spice veldt]

i don't like to BB dogs since that messes with their aggro

I'd rather let my teammate get pounced since I can save them if they're within 30m of me anyways

I fucking hate psyker's who BB dogs

[sullen bobcat]

To each their own. I don't exclusively BB dogs

[spice veldt]

because they'll turn what should've been an instant kill into something that takes longer

[sullen bobcat]

Depends on how easy it is to get a melee

Or push

[spice veldt]

I don't exclusively melee dogs either, but its sooooo fucking annoying when pub psykers don't trust me to melee dogs

like motherfucker my melee damage is more than your overall damage

[sullen bobcat]

Of course, I prechatge a BB and try to burst it as soon as it's spotted to kill it quicker

[spice veldt]

and it is extremely tilting in the case of dogs

where I want them to be dead as soon as possible

I usually just flame them in chat nowadays though so it is what it is

and it just reminds me of people who want BB to one-shot dogs

I wonder what the intended method to deal with an enemy who takes 3x melee damage is

or when they get pounced after taking their aggro because surprised Pikachu face

[hidden crystal]

That'd be a more solid argument if the game ever fragging told you that.

As is, an enemy that's hard to hit and tanky as hell against ranged attacks is laying it on a bit thick.

It's a shame to boil every enemy class down to one completely formulaic "do this to kill it".

[spice veldt]

yeah with respect to people in-game, I'm fine if they don't know that

but with respect to people who unironically argue the point that BB should one-shot them, then there's no hope for them

[hidden crystal]

If the game really does have the idea that you deal with each enemy type in a specific way, then "they can look up data mined info on Reddit, right?" is a failure of game design.

[naive sedge]

Soooooooo

Do parts of Trauma staff count as Melee attacks or "not ranged"?

[sullen bobcat]

I think at launch, people figured to melee captains because their shooting animations were a bitch to deal with

[sullen bobcat]

When you use the special attack

[naive sedge]

Because I notice trauma explosions do good damage to pox hounds

[hidden crystal]

Particularly when to my recollection (at least with my build - WU + WB, usually), BB only stops one-shotting hounds at Damnation.

[thorn cedar]

any information regarding things below damnation is just a void in my brain

probably in the same area as whatever it is i learned during civics class and social studies

[spice veldt]

trauma explosions shouldn't do good damage to hounds

at least testing in the meatgrinder, they do the damage that I expect them to do

and poxhounds being infested also means that the trauma deals 0.75x damage to them

[sullen bobcat]

brittle goes brrrrrr

[spice veldt]

at the very least, damage numbers should be a base part of the game

40% rending only adding +10% damage against infested 🥲

fatshark making brittleness one of the better brittleness options on trauma but also making brainburst and force melees have good armour modifiers so there's no personal reason to ever take it

[hidden crystal]

Based on the information available in the extended tutorial and regular gameplay (and bearing in mind that the psykanium refuses to allow you access to many enemy types until higher levels or if you mod it), I can't blame players for assuming that the fast hard-to-hit enemy type should be dealt with effectively by an attack that's good at hitting fast hard-to-hit enemies.

[spice veldt]

but not when i'm right in front of the dog

[thorn cedar]

that's a lot of the game's issues tbh, is the way combat lessons scale (or don't) between difficulties

[spice veldt]

and they can visibily see the dog's aggro switching from me to them

[thorn cedar]

people have a lot of trouble adjusting, or they never do

[spice veldt]

like they'll see me in the animation holding my heavy and they'll just BB the dog

[thorn cedar]

ugh, when you just want to bonk the pooch to death but some dipshit apparently would rather spray an entire shredder mag into it from 30m out

[spice veldt]

or when i've previously also killed most of the dogs this way

[thorn cedar]

constantly pushing it out of hit

[spice veldt]

if I'm two-shotting dogs with a psword or one-shotting them with the illisi, I would hope that's a big hint

[thorn cedar]

with ammo economy being as dicked as it is, people really dont pick up on some of these lessons

they'll run their ammo dry when there's no vet and just conclude "welp we should have had a vet"

no my man you should maybe not magdump your bolter against every mutant

[mellow gorge]

melee is for chumps

[spice veldt]

i guess just people really do not have a good perception of a weapon's DPS or that brain burst will take aggro from dogs fairly easily

5 seconds to deal with a dog using brainburst (2 seconds cast + 1 second downtime + 2 seconds cast)

and 90% peril at most

i suppose i also started the game back when quelling was more shit

[hidden crystal]

Bearing in mind BBs take ages to charge, and there's no visibly active detriment to you, like there is with blowing up a burster (and yet, people still do that...) it doesn't surprise me people just choose to finish their cast.

[thorn cedar]

remember that brief period when passive quell was stronger than active lol

[hidden crystal]

In all honesty, how often are you able to watch other players closely enough to know exactly what they're doing?

I had a realisation a while back that outside of things like "this guy's stealing all the ammo when others have very little", "this guy is good/bad at sticking with the others" or "this is the third time I've had to pick this guy up", I often can't really evaluate their performance until I actually see the scoreboard mod at the end of the game.

[spice veldt]

for me, I can tell if a dog has been dealt with quickly if I hear their pounce and then guess based on how long after it takes for the hound to die

I basically just tell from the sound

[hidden crystal]

(And even then, I'll still value "this guy stuck together well, and I think it was them tagging lots of people" over "OMG, they got how many kills?")

(Scoreboard mod should add stats for tagging enemies. Change my mind.)

(But only once per enemy, no tagging spam.)

I'd value that over getting score for opening doors and being a plasteel goblin.

[gusty furnace]

Sorry, I can't hear you over the ear shattering tinnitus from my shotgun

Jokes aside, the absolute lack of pinging that goes on infuriates me

[spice veldt]

i dont tag some enemies exactly because I don't trust them messings things up

e.g., I do not ping dogs at all

[gusty furnace]

Fuck you

[spice veldt]

unless I can't see them otherwise

[gusty furnace]

like unironically fuck you

Tagging enemies makes them IMMEDIATELY seeable

[spice veldt]

I don't trust them to take aggro from it

[gusty furnace]

and dogs and trappers are the most important enemies to SEE AT ALL TIMES

[mellow gorge]

tag them yourself

[spice oar]

lmao what

[spice veldt]

and because I'm usually the one out of coherency, they're usually going to be going for me

I tag other enemies though

[gusty furnace]

No that's an insane argument

[mellow gorge]

i actually had to buy a new mouse bc i proke my scrol wheel pining too much lmao

[gusty furnace]

please for the love of everything thats holy TAG THE FUCKING DOGS

[spice veldt]

I think it's an appropriate argument