psyker-class

[left basin]

what's the ideal second

[spice veldt]

i like inspiring barrage as the second

tragic

[fresh reef]

settings changed. main goal is to get the game looking closer to Space Marine for that aystetic

every time I come up here to look at him Rannick becomes more nightmarish

[left basin]

any build changes needed for ius?

rolled iv powderburn instead

now i have a dis

https://tenor.com/view/gross-bleh-nope-grossed-out-yuck-gif-5759353

[plucky flax]

Blaze away

[spice oar]

yall does the autopistol burn build still exist?

[left basin]

shrug

does anyone use obscurus?

[spice oar]

with deflector yeah

its neat

[spice veldt]

yeah that interaction still exists

[spice oar]

thought so yeah, tried it out just now and i was having a blast

[subtle timber]

Hey all. Which perks would suit better with the Rifthaven Purgatus Staff? initially, I got +5% increased critical range hit chance and +10% critical range damage.

[lyric burrow]

replace damage with flak

im pretty sure crit damage is not calculated properly in game and is pretty useless as a result

[subtle timber]

I see. I couldnt think of something else hence I got that one. Thanks for the reply. 🍻

[lyric burrow]

np

[subtle timber]

How about blessings? I've just started playing as Psyker after playing as Zealot for a long time, haha. Don't know much about Psykers' Blessings on those Staffs. Now I got III Terrifying Barrage and IV Warp Flurry after consecrating. any good?

[lyric burrow]

change barrage for warp nexus if you can

barrage unfort is pretty worthless and isnt really doing anything

warp flurry 4 is very good though

[feral verge]

Terrifying barrage is worthless aye

All staves already suppress

[lyric burrow]

yeah idk why we can even get it

staves either kill what you hit or completely lock down the target lol

[subtle timber]

I see. Well, those blessings were the first one I got. Alright, I'll see if I can get something else besides those.

[lyric burrow]

flurry is good

[feral verge]

Warp flurry is amazing

[lyric burrow]

just need nexus with it

that staff will probably be fine until you roll one where you can get both blessings on there

[subtle timber]

Perfect, good to know!

[feral verge]

On purga staff you want warp flurry and warp Nexus blessings

[lyric burrow]

also you might know but you want 76% burn and high cloud radius

those are the 2 key stats

[feral verge]

And you want crit CHANCE (not damage) and flak/unyielding damage

[subtle timber]

This is the first staff I got after I reached 30 level

[feral verge]

The damage stat on purga is actually not important. It has very little scaling

[lyric burrow]

yeah those are good stats

[feral verge]

That was close to perfection, but the barrage ruins it

I take back 'ruin'

It's a good staff

But barrage keeps it from being amazing

It will serve you well enough until you get a replacement

[subtle timber]

hmm.. interesting to see that it can be useless. Well, nothing to do for now. gotta upgrade another staff to see if I'll get that Nexus one

[feral verge]

Yeah, barrage is like not having a blessing at all

[subtle timber]

How that Barrage blessing actually be harmful?

Couldnt get the picture in my mind

[feral verge]

Not harmful

But it's just a waste of a blessing

[subtle timber]

ahh

I see!

[feral verge]

It's like your staff is purple

[subtle timber]

useless, let's say. I see now.

[feral verge]

Any other blessing would be more useful

[subtle timber]

Gotcha

Yeah, will see if I can get something better. Thanks for the replies, mates!

[spice veldt]

if you were a TWBS enjoyer on your zealot, then focused channeling is a blessing that might be up your alley

[feral verge]

This is my purga

[spice veldt]

@feral verge die

[subtle timber]

Warp Nexus does look great indeed. Now I want one too haha

I see that damage is really not that important. How interesting

[feral verge]

I only play on high peril

It does a lot of damage

I out damage flamer zealots

@spice veldt

[spice veldt]

what huh

[feral verge]

If I set a boss (unyielding) on fire with a few gusts of purga

Then swap to BB it

What happens to my stave's 20% unyielding damage

Does it still get the bonus

[spice veldt]

only active while the staff is held out

[feral verge]

Or does it disappear when I swap

Rip sad

[spice veldt]

😔 rip bozo

[feral verge]

Does it come back when I swap back to staff?

[spice veldt]

ye

[feral verge]

My boss strat has been setting them on fire with 2 gusts of purga

Then BBing till dead

Do you know how many gusts it takes to get Max stacks?

[left basin]

all of em

[feral verge]

By gust, I mean medium charged purga

(not m1 spam)

[spice veldt]

i haven't tested it, but I assume that the value you see when hovering over the burn stat is the interval at which soulblaze stacks are applied

iirc a fully-charged cast lasts like 3.25 seconds

haven't measured it though

AGH i was looking up crab's messages and remembered something about the heavy swords that I now have to take notes on now that I'm playing zealot more

i'm gonna create a whole ass notebook in my onenote for darktide

[feral verge]

Thanks arco

You're not half bad... When you're being useful

[spice veldt]

your existence is looking very erasable

[modern bronze]

Helo mankar

[spice veldt]

based on a 60fps recordings, there are some noticeable differences between an 80 and 41 burn staff for determining how fast soulblaze stacks are applied, though the difference is only like ~0.2 seconds per application despite what the inspect card says

[feral verge]

Based

Hi mittins

[potent echo]

the "buffed" trauma staff is kinda nice

although i dont know what perks to take with it now since i can hit all breakpoints just with warpcharges 🤔

[ornate hamlet]

How do I psyker properly?

[thorn cedar]

• Stay as close to exploding as possible at all times
• Don't explode

[ornate hamlet]

That's peril right

[spice veldt]

if you can one-shot dreg bruisers, then i'd prob just take something like flak + carapace or whatever

[ornate hamlet]

So I explode at 100 not just go down?

[spice veldt]

yeah, there's even a penance for killing an elite with the explosion

[ornate hamlet]

What's a penance?

[spice veldt]

basically an achievement

[ornate hamlet]

I've just finished beating the psyker tutorial so I'm still green

[spice veldt]

o

is psyker your first class?

[ornate hamlet]

Yes

Is he like an advanced class for experienced darktide players?

[spice veldt]

i think it helps to be coming into psyker from another class, though that can be said for the other classes

[potent echo]

I can one shot bruisers, currently have +elite and sprint efficiency and I dont feel any need to change anything

[ornate hamlet]

I like brain bursting people

[spice veldt]

psyker has less base hp/toughness than the other classes, and most of our defense is active (force swords have infinite dodges/fastest stamina regen delay of the classes)

[ornate hamlet]

The others just don't feel right to me

[spice veldt]

yeah, I quite like the melee on psyker more than the other classes

[ornate hamlet]

It's a steep learning curve but I'm ready to explode

I hear you can one shot bosses? Is true?

[potent echo]

Remember to press F if you are exploding, it will save you from doing so

[spice veldt]

flak helps against the usual flak elites and dreg gunners as well, allowing you to two-shot them with full charge

[ornate hamlet]

What if I want to explode?

[spice veldt]

only zealots so far and only on lower difficulties or against weakened so far

[ornate hamlet]

I'm surrounded I'm the last one alive and there's no hope

[gusty furnace]

Devs gave us explode button

me r press explode button

[spice veldt]

psykers have basically no single-target DPS of note currently unless you run a gun

[gusty furnace]

@viral solstice aint that right

[potent echo]

Perhaps, but I'll save the roll for whatever patch 13 onwards bring

[spice veldt]

true

[ornate hamlet]

So what can brain burst one shot?

[gusty furnace]

trash

[ornate hamlet]

Oh

[gusty furnace]

But without jokes, all of the adds

I'm sure there's some elite somewhere /shrug

[potent echo]

Most elites and specials except on damnation

[spice veldt]

Gunners, Trappers, Bombers, Flamers (with Warp Unleashed and >3 warp charges), etc.

[ornate hamlet]

Does it do good damage to bosses?

[spice veldt]

i don't remember all of them off the top of my head, but you'll figure it out

[gusty furnace]

No.

[potent echo]

It does okay damage to bosses since they buffed it

[gusty furnace]

Is it useful?

Yes

[ornate hamlet]

Yes, imma not look into build guides and go in raw

[gusty furnace]

Will psyker be the primary source of boss damage? No

[spice veldt]

the damage is meh, but it has the advantage of basically being able to always hit bosses because of its range and always hitting in weakspots

[potent echo]

But mainly because psykers won't be the boss dps

[spice veldt]

so it's not as terrible as it seems on paper, though it's not ideal

[ornate hamlet]

So what does psyker excel at that other classes dont?

[gusty furnace]

Nothing, really.

Veteran and Zealot do melee better.

[potent echo]

U t i l I t y

[gusty furnace]

Veteran does ranged better.

Ogryn does tanking and melee better.

[spice veldt]

more mobile melee than vet

[gusty furnace]

What psyker DOES have is funny shock staff

please god, more palpatine psykers

[potent echo]

Psyker has tools to deal with many situations

[gusty furnace]

I don't need flamer staff 9212151125125

[fresh reef]

hey Arco, do you have idea what these suffixes pertain to?

[gusty furnace]

Just fucking stop dogs and trappers from jumping me in the middle of a horde

[ornate hamlet]

Is there a staff that shoots smaller staffs?

[fresh reef]

incorrect highlight beside

[spice veldt]

the only thing i know is that they pertain to texture quality of some sort but nothing beyond that

[potent echo]

He can take close ranged ranged weapons like autogun and still deal with ranged threats like snipers and bombers etc

[gusty furnace]

I mean. . . so can veteran, zealot, and ogryn.

[spice veldt]

i assume that stuff like "nm" stands for normal map and whatnot

[gusty furnace]

Veteran by pressing F

Zealot by walking forward

Ogryn with BOX

[ornate hamlet]

Does Psyler BB has unlimited range?

[gusty furnace]

Yep

[fresh reef]

what would be your best guess for the color map?

[potent echo]

Effectively yea

[ornate hamlet]

Okay so I can kill from a gazillion miles away

[gusty furnace]

please don't hangout a gazillion miles away though

for the love of god 😭

[ornate hamlet]

Why?

[spice veldt]

no idea; might have to consult a magician

[gusty furnace]

Well, the game is built around 4 players

[ornate hamlet]

It's safe a gazillion miles away

[gusty furnace]

and you fucking around with BB a million miles away isn't useful at all

when you could be using your staff for crowd control

[ornate hamlet]

What if it was 4 psylers standing a gazillion miles away

[gusty furnace]

or just outright deleting crowds with the funny ball of death staff

[ornate hamlet]

Oh there's different types of staffs?

[gusty furnace]

There's 4 different types

[ornate hamlet]

Oooo

[gusty furnace]

Leg Destroyer

Chest Destroyer

Flame Staff

Electric Staff

[ornate hamlet]

Are those their actual names?

"Leg destroyer"

[gusty furnace]

Leg Destroyer is a ground based AOE

Chest Destroyer is a big giant ball of warp damage

Flame Staff shoots flames

Electric Staff turns you into Emperor Palpatine

no, that's not their fucking names 😭

Void, Purgatus

I dunno the other two off the top of my head

[ornate hamlet]

Force

Voidstrike

[fresh reef]

Trauma, Voidstrike, Purgatus, Surge

[gusty furnace]

I just remember them by what they do

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ornate hamlet]

I want the electric staff

Sounds nice

[gusty furnace]

It does the least amount of damage

but it has elite/specialist priority

[ornate hamlet]

I don't like fire

[viral solstice]

faktuale

[gusty furnace]

so you can stunlock Trappers, Flamers, Dogs, Mutants, Machine Gunners, Ragers, Shotgunners, Bulwarks, Crushers, and Reapers through a crowd

[ornate hamlet]

If I wanted to play with fire I'll go play sienna

[gusty furnace]

Psyker fire is blue

not red

[ornate hamlet]

Ooooo

[gusty furnace]

so its got that going for it

[ornate hamlet]

Blue fire

Okay that's a bump above red fire

I might try It out

Yall play vermintide 2?

[gusty furnace]

I have dabbled

just a little bit of dabbling

(I'm El Diablo)

[ornate hamlet]

I hear there adding a necromancer to the game as a pc

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, they finally confirmed Sienna's 4th career

after years of radio silence

and its, yes, necromancy

[ornate hamlet]

It's sienna sister

Can't wait for the voiceline between them and kruber

[fresh reef]

@spice veldt so it appears that the different textures affect the models in different ways, so much so that they can't really be fine tuned in the way I was thinking

[thorn cedar]

if nobody says "i have a bone to pick with you" after her career releases i am going to be so unreasonably mad

[fresh reef]

note the difference in text quality. this is with just one of the values changed

[spice veldt]

shame

[ornate hamlet]

Does the text on the awards really say something?

Is it not usually scribbles

[gusty furnace]

Depends on the game

There's some legible text in Darktide

inscriptions on swords and stuff like that

Power Sword and Force Swords I believe have readable inscriptions

Dunno about the purity seals though

Usually those are just Lorem Ipsum gibberish

[ornate hamlet]

It would be cool if we were to pick a chaos god and when our peril rises high enough and we keep it above a certain threshold we can use their powers, but idk how that would fit into the 40k universe

Use the daemonic possession to our beneifts

[fresh reef]

execution, on the spot most likely

[ornate hamlet]

We're already criminals

[fresh reef]

I do not think you understand the massive shift in "murk this fucker right the fuck now" priority. One of them is "yeah, I shirked my mining work, sue me" and the other has a massive fucking daemon crawling out of their head

[ornate hamlet]

His name is larry

And he's the cutest daemon to ever spawn

But i get your point

I'll go execute larry

😖

[fresh reef]

channels Crush with malicious intent

[ornate hamlet]

What universe is the flood?

Was that warhammer

No I think it was star trek

[fresh reef]

Halo

[grizzled jasper]

Wrong

Gears of war

[fresh reef]

to bring this back up, they are not random scribbles

meanwhile my third purity seal:

[ornate hamlet]

Ah

The emperor deemed you no longer worthy to read

That is the answer you were seeking

[magic hull]

Ok this is actually pretty cool

[fresh reef]

so I tried out the endless horde modifier just to see how long I could last

sweet fuck they weren't kidding when they said endless

[vernal arrow]

Is Soulblaze damage still affected by weapon blessings like headtaker/slaughterer?

[fresh reef]

Pretty sure it is

[spice veldt]

ye

the one interaction that was changed was kills from soulblaze affecting slaughterer

but your power/damage buffs still affect soulblaze

[vernal arrow]

Cool cool, was going to mess with it more in the psykanium, but figured I'd ask before

[spice veldt]

and the ticks from soulblaze still stack headtaker/decimator

[vernal arrow]

Doing Wildfire testing and wanted to make sure I didn't leave out ways to make it more effective in general and all that

[fresh reef]

@spice veldt so since I can cope with the lower framerate in hordes, I decided to go for a kinda meme config
3 texture quality on viewmodels and characters, 6 on environment with basically every post-processing filter turned on, and decent shadow quality with increased range

*and I managed to hit a new low in a horde at 27 fps *

[spice veldt]

why are you doing this to yourself

top 10 questions i should be asking to myself, but i'll ask it to you first

real ultrathin laptop gamers have steam overlay off to edge out slightly more frames

though i'm not sure if that even does anything measurable

[lunar hollow]

prevents you from stunlocking yourself

i have died in 3 different games because there were important keybinds on both shift and tab

before i disabled it

[fresh reef]

running 3050ti and i7-11800H, so the fact that going from mediumish settings to below what the game considers low

and I still have the same frames, roughly

is concerning

[spice veldt]

yeah, the game is rather cpu bound and most of the settings that you can change seem to really only affect the gpu

i have my settings way down primarily to cut down on the power usage and heat gen

e.g., turning off nvidia reflex cuts down the watts used by my laptop by 3-5 watts

[thorn cedar]

unplugging the monitor has an even more remarkable effect

but i cant read the measurement since my screen is black

[spice veldt]

tru

i should just play on sound cues

[thorn cedar]

now thats gamer

[near wyvern]

Could actually be possible with just using trauma at your feets but navigation would be impossible

[thorn cedar]

just follow the loud footsteps of your ogryn

[mental rock]

Your beloved will guide you

[feral verge]

This guy really laptop games lmfao

This dude really did just post the biggest L in public chat like it was nothing

@spice veldt mad embarrassing my man

Tips: have a desktop computer

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/f5ym9l

[lunar hollow]

u can never shit talk me for posting embarrassing clips of u again

[spice veldt]

this was a defensive posture by me

[lunar hollow]

same

[feral verge]

That's not me, mankar

That's mai

Whoever that is

They seemed really good though, other than that slight mistake

[spice veldt]

oh no i'm feeling threatened time to defend myself https://streamable.com/xn3fyn

[feral verge]

🫄

Mpreg

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/dqcuur

[empty hemlock]

Everyone shames the guy who games with a laptop, but if I start gaming on a ZT231 Industrial Printer suddenly I'm a champion of gamers

[lunar hollow]

i am currently being harmed

[spice veldt]

damn i valiantly sacrifice myself to give the chaos spawn a grievous wound and attempt to shield brock from the burster

and you disrespect me like this

[lunar hollow]

actual delusions????

https://streamable.com/cssg2d

https://streamable.com/ylc440

[spice veldt]

augh i bear the burden of the grimoire and now i'm being disrespected like this

[spice veldt]

augh i step out in front of my team as the scout/bait and now i'm being disrespected like this

[lunar hollow]

genuine cope

[spice veldt]

people running darktide on pregnancy meters be like

WHO PINGED ME

[lunar hollow]

i said something but had to avoid being windows snipped

[harsh urchin]

Clip it and ship it

[proud viper]

are trauma and void staffs less desired in higher end content? trauma stagger seems pretty weak and void is solo target

[sterile vale]

trauma is considered one of the better staffs, voidstrike is playable but tends to fall short

[willow escarp]

trauma is the primo staff

at max charge the stagger is on par with like, a grenade? it knocks over crushers and bulwarks

[spice veldt]

trauma's problem is on the itemization side of things
it has an extremely wide stat scaling

e.g., the difference between 0% and 80% charge rate on the voidstrike is 0.24 seconds

on the trauma, that difference is 1.2 seconds

[proud viper]

ok; so stagger > aoe dmg

[spice veldt]

but once you get one that's statted out, then it is one of the best staffs

[willow escarp]

it does good damage too

[spice veldt]

trauma is one of the better stagger weapons by virtue of doing decent damage

[willow escarp]

it is one of the easiest staffs to explode yourself with tho

would recommend some warp resistance

[proud viper]

when i was messing around in meat grinder it did minimal damage against big guys/didnt stagger while seemed to be just toss the trash mobs

[harsh urchin]

Probably need a better staff

[proud viper]

mind you, I am lvl 29 and just starting to get purple gear 😛

[spice veldt]

trauma lets you do stupid stuff like this https://streamable.com/ystp72

[willow escarp]

probably so. When I was leveling psyker my initial impression of trauma was bad

[spice veldt]

you probably have a trauma with low blast radius

since the epicentre scales from 1.5m to 2.5m

[willow escarp]

Haven’t used a bad one in forever. When it’s good it one shots trash mobs and topples crushers

[proud viper]

lol, the joys of leveling

[spice veldt]

in terms of area, a 2.5m radius is 270% larger than a 1.5m radius circle

[harsh urchin]

Maff

[willow escarp]

psyker is one of the rougher to level imo

[spice veldt]

the other unusual thing is that it's the first force staff that you unlock

[willow escarp]

yeah that’s the worst part

[spice veldt]

despite also having one of the more unusual mechanical aiming systems

[willow escarp]

purge staff seems strong right off the bat

[spice veldt]

surge and trauma really should be the later unlocks if you're just looking at their stat scalings

with voidstrike and purg ideally being the earlier unlocks

[willow escarp]

when do you unlock purg anyways? It’s the last one right?

[spice veldt]

ye, i think at lvl15?

[fresh reef]

@spice veldt out of curiosity, how would you rank the staves?

[willow escarp]

psyker leveling would be so different if you got it first

[spice veldt]

generally speaking, trauma = purg > surge > voidstrike

i rate trauma slightly over purg because it's more generalist

[fresh reef]

Very agreeable take

[willow escarp]

yeah that ranking i agree with

[spice veldt]

primarily with the brainburst blitz that we currently

[willow escarp]

although it’s more like >>> surge = void strike for me since I just never use those

[spice veldt]

who knows what will change once we get access to the others

[fresh reef]

I'm unreasonably hyped for the psychic shards blitz that was mentioned in the pcgamer article

[spice veldt]

same

[willow escarp]

but I’m sometimes pleased to play with a surger whereas I don’t think I ever care that a void striker is there

[spice veldt]

my assumption is that its single-target DPS is going to be quite better than what we currently have

[regal jasper]

I like using the staffs and deimos sword so i can quell when holding any weapon

[spice veldt]

and since I always run trauma as an anti-crusher option, i can just swap out brain burst without potentially dying to 10 crushers

[fresh reef]

Im thinking it's something akin to a minigun. Primarily single target but less accurate and more damaging than bb

[willow escarp]

whenever I go gunker it freaks me out not being able to always quell

[harsh urchin]

Voidstrike is just too ass

[fresh reef]

And because of that lessened accuracy can be used for hordes

[harsh urchin]

It does no cleave, no stagger and doesnt do damage despite that

[spice veldt]

it presumably won't have BB's advantage of dinking crushers/bulwarks but will be better for everything else

[regal jasper]

SAME!

[regal jasper]

):

[willow escarp]

voidstrike seems like it should be single target but it’s horde?

[regal jasper]

But big boom

[harsh urchin]

Nah it just doesnt do anythung well lol

[spice veldt]

yeah it's a rather unusual weapon

[harsh urchin]

Compare it to fireball staff

From vt which kills everything

Including your teammates

[regal jasper]

I love voidstrike

[harsh urchin]

Due to friendly fire

[spice veldt]

it has 6 cleave and no damage dropoff in exchange for very mediocre base damage

[willow escarp]

yeah it just would make sense if psyker had a single target staff and VS would make sense

[spice veldt]

and although on paper the numbers seem fine, this type of distribution just isn't good

[fresh reef]

Oh what's that? A horde of 80 poxwalkers that you have a straight line LoS on with Void? Well, fuck you, there's a single rager hiding two poxwalkers deep, enjoy the 40 peril, asswipe

[indigo portal]

It might be a multi-single target DPS thing. Like if there's a clump of gunners it'll be great for that with the homing. I'm assuming BB will remain the single target option, especially since you'll always get the talent that buffs damage against things you BB if you spec into our current Psyker's skill tree.

[spice veldt]

a single scab rager having enough hitmass to stop a fully charged voidstrike will never not be amusing to me

[regal jasper]

My voidstrike only creates like 30 something peril on full charge

[willow escarp]

one shot is 30 peril?

[fresh reef]

Who would win?

A ball of raw warp energy

Flak armor and drugs

[regal jasper]

I think full charge mine does like high 30

[indigo portal]

30? I swear mine is only like 20 or something.

[spice veldt]

probably not 30 peril

because that's higher than what a trauma will generate

[regal jasper]

Honestly i don’t remember

[willow escarp]

I honestly can’t remember if I’ve ever used a VS but yeah that seems high compared to trauma even

[regal jasper]

I’ve been lvling my ogryn

[fresh reef]

I haven't played Voidstrike since like, patch 9

[indigo portal]

I distinctly remember chaining Warp Flurry to max stacks and still having 60% peril left.

[willow escarp]

I guess that’s not factoring inner tranq tho which I use with trauma, battle meditation procs and all that too. I have no idea what one blast generates

[spice veldt]

voidstrike used to have the advantage of lower peril gen

but then we got quelling buffs

which basically made peril gen much less of an issue

[willow escarp]

is peril generation linear?

or I guess, is the peril meter

[spice veldt]

the scaling of warp res on peril is linear

yeah the peril meter is linear

[fresh reef]

In nondarktide related news that I feel like sharing, just finished up signing a lease for my first apartment

yippee

[spice veldt]

but the peril meter has some visual interpolation applied to it whenever you're quelling

so the value that you see kind of lags behind what the actual value of your peril is

[harsh urchin]

Grats on your apartment mang

The problem with vs

Is that no damage falloff

Is not worth the tradeoff

[regal jasper]

Congrats

[harsh urchin]

For such shit base dmg and shit target cap

Id trade away dmg falloff

In an instant

[indigo portal]

Do the other staves have AoE suppression on kill with the charged attacks?

[spice veldt]

yeah, and purg has no damage falloff and also no target cap at the cost of a finite range, which isn't exactly a problem for the majority of map sections

[fresh reef]

I feel like both surge and void would be better without a target cap

In different ways, of course

[indigo portal]

Surge without a target cap would melt everyone's computers.

[spice veldt]

the non-deterministic targeting of surge particularly annoys me

[fresh reef]

Give VS a comparable explosion to Trauma, but in projectile form

[spice veldt]

the fact that it's not a precision weapon is such poopoo

[regal jasper]

Deimos is the single target right?

[indigo portal]

Yes

Higher single target focus than the Obscurus.

[regal jasper]

When it swings after charged do i hold down attack so it stays in them? I thought my game was bugged and im really confused

[spice veldt]

don't need to hold down m1

[lunar hollow]

it's legitimately the worst possible interpretation of chain lightning imo

[regal jasper]

So it just stays in till dmg/animation is done

[fresh reef]

How would you guys feel if they made surge into something like quake's lightning gun, in terms of how it fires?

[spice veldt]

the obscurus/deimos special does suffer from extreme hitreg issues, similar to the thunderhammer specials

[indigo portal]

Is it like, slipping or something? It should stick in until they're dead or ~0.5 seconds happen. Does good damage during the short amount of time.

[spice veldt]

because if your client thinks that you've stuck onto an enemy but the server says "nuh uh", your special will disappear even if it doesn't stick into an enemy

[regal jasper]

It “sticks” then my camera freaks out and it lets go

[willow escarp]

finite range… without wildlife lols

[indigo portal]

Sounds like a funny hitreg moment. If you do a follow up swing it should connect properly.

[regal jasper]

Alright

Thank yall

[fresh reef]

I think finite is dubious when it reaches 17m

[spice veldt]

finite range and a cast that prevents you from sprinting

[fresh reef]

M1

[spice veldt]

it certainly feels less safe than the trauma, though I also used it early on as a psyker and haven't touched it as much later on

[fresh reef]

I was a religious trauma user, even when it generated a ludicrous amount of peril

[spice veldt]

most sane quietitude user

[fresh reef]

The I played purg and just had too much fun with it, once I discovered how hard it counters shooters

[fresh reef]

I used Warp Absorption in the pre-order beta

[willow escarp]

the stagger makes it feel pretty safe

Primary fire is great for closing on shooters too

[regal jasper]

Are yall gonna keep brain burst When the revamp comes out

Im using the shards

[spice veldt]

if the shards have better DPS, then i'm throwing BB away until i need the anti-armor/bulwark

[fresh reef]

It will never not be funny that I can just infinitely stun lock a reaper with purg and it just cannot do anything to stop me

[willow escarp]

Variety is the spice of life so I’ll probably use almost everything on every class like now

[fresh reef]

I'm probably gonna stick with BB, but I need to see the whole trees to make that choice

[lunar hollow]

gimme that lightning smite

[spice veldt]

it'll be interesting to see what the two nodes attached to each blitz will be

[lunar hollow]

bro

[spice veldt]

what

[lunar hollow]

u frankensteined this screenshot

[spice veldt]

uh huh

[lunar hollow]

it looks horrific

on brand for u

[spice veldt]

eat ass

[lunar hollow]

pay me

wtf

[regal jasper]

What am I looking at

[spice veldt]

the top part of psyker's up and coming skill tree

i didn't finish the stitch so that's what you get

[regal jasper]

Ah ok

[lunar hollow]

didnt u make a shitty one

when it first released

[spice veldt]

oh yeah that one

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1144698370603106374/image.png

[regal jasper]

Nicely put together

[spice veldt]

ms paint is very op

[thorn cedar]

i want a brain burst node that makes it blow off their dick instead

[fresh reef]

Cock Crush

[lunar hollow]

i truly enjoy how elaborate the psyker tree is

i think its the one besides the right side of the zealot tree im most excited for

[indigo portal]

With the middle tree it's probably Wrack and Ruin & Cerebral Lacerations. Not sure if Kinetic Flayer will exist or if it'll replace one of those two since it'll only work with BB, unless they rework it.

I'm more interested in what could possibly be in the middle tree for the ults. There's a lot of addon stuff for them. With Zealot our current tree only has the 2x ult addon.

[spice veldt]

true, there's 3 of them and only 2 nodes there

maybe the vent 50% on use for our current ult is moved into a node

it really will be interesting to see what is attached to our ults

[lunar hollow]

the world where u can quell 100% peril on psyker ult and 100% toughness on a zealot chastise is the ideal one

[spice veldt]

vet's looks like this

and then there's this for ogryn

[indigo portal]

I hate that the Vet trees are all perfectly similar but the left one's got that stupid tumor on the side.

[spice veldt]

so yeah it seems that psyker has the most nodes behind the ult compared to the other classes

[regal jasper]

She psyker on my poxwalker till i brain burst

[indigo portal]

Ogryn will be interesting since it looks really point efficient to multiclass. On Zealot it takes 2-3 to shift trees.

Although we don't know what the grey nodes do. I'm super into the idea that you can slot in a separate pool of talents into them, maybe like 2-3 unique talents available per node, so you can make up points for multiclassing a bunch.

[regal jasper]

I have no idea what any of those nodes are

[lunar hollow]

another sharpshooter W

[spice veldt]

iirc they're base stat buffs

stuff like +toughness and whatnot

[indigo portal]

You can get a look at the Zealot one here. Big icons are blitz, coherency aura, ult, and iconic ability in that order. Rest are normal talents. We're assuming the setup is similar for the trees we got previews of recently for the other classes.

[indigo portal]

I really hope not. Seems lame. Although it is a possible option, wouldn't be surprised to see it. Where did you hear that though?

[thorn cedar]

testers

[indigo portal]

Ah, I've been following a few and all they said was just that it was interesting but they couldn't talk about it.

[spice veldt]

from crab mostly

i hope they colour code the nodes instead of leaving them gray though

[rustic vault]

So, I haven't followed any of the leaks at all. Are we getting smite finally?

[indigo portal]

Huh, interesting. I wonder if it's some kind of system where the nodes decide your base stamina, health, and toughness.

[spice veldt]

something less ambiguous

[regal jasper]

That sounds cool

[rustic vault]

Honestly that would rock

[indigo portal]

We're getting this. It's supposedly a CC ability.

[regal jasper]

Wow when they said completely customizable characters I didn’t think it would go as far as stats

[indigo portal]

It's a blitz, replaces BB.

[rustic vault]

Rad

[spice veldt]

0 stamina, 150 tough, 100 hp psyker when

[rustic vault]

Ngl, BB is cool but i hate it

[indigo portal]

Sounds interesting. Wonder if that'll change up Curio metas a bit for each class.

[rustic vault]

Oh please

[regal jasper]

I cant wait for shards

[rustic vault]

Oh?

[indigo portal]

Hope I can hyper spec stamina to get a 20 stamina setup on Psyker lol.

[rustic vault]

Yeah I just want to make my psyker feel like a wizard, and BB ain't really doing it chief

[spice veldt]

what an article writer had to say about the shards

[indigo portal]

No images for them, but they're supposedly like the arrows Waystalker gets in V2. Homing stuff.

[rustic vault]

Ooo

[spice veldt]

probably more "crowd-killing" than the "crowd-controlling" descriptor than they used, is my guess

[indigo portal]

Could also be a weakness-covering ability. Lots of our current psyker stuff is CC related and self buffs, so they gave it a single target Blitz.

[rustic vault]

Oh, so I'm not a fan of trauma staves, which would be better. Void or purgatus?

[indigo portal]

What do you want your staff to do? Depends on the role you want to fill.

[rustic vault]

I want it to kill everything lol

[indigo portal]

For horde clear Purge will be your best bet. Void is single target stuff, a bit niche so it's less viable.

[spice veldt]

purg if you want something that performs better

voidstrike isn't really single-target since its damage is meh

[rustic vault]

I have a really nice purg but I often feel like I'm not the one killing anything

[spice veldt]

once purg gets its stacks up, the dps is roughly similar to voidstrike

yeah purg is one of the more boring staffs to use

not much feedback and it blinding you doesnt help

[lunar hollow]

me playing with bloom on feeling my retinas melt as soon as i equip it

[rustic vault]

I mean, I have one with Warp nexus and flurry ranks 3 and 4 respectively, but there isn't a good audio queue that things are actually dying

Which causes me to sometimes think "well shit I need to swap to my ilisi"

[rustic vault]

Jokes on you. I'm already mostly blind!

[indigo portal]

I wouldn't run Illisi with Purge. Their roles overlap a decent amount.

Ig if you want to spec into mixed horde clear with premades it works out though.

[rustic vault]

It's the only melee I really like the moveset of on psyker ngl

[regal jasper]

So are metas just gonna completely change now?

[rustic vault]

The others feel, flimsy? Idk how to describe it lol

[indigo portal]

Unless they do weapon rebalancing weapon metas are gonna be mostly the same. I imagine though Vet and Zealot will have an easier time pulling worse weapons out of the gutter though.

[regal jasper]

Poor abhumans never getting it easy(er)

[spice veldt]

some blessing nerfs have been alluded to by the playtesters

particularly about the ones that stand out (e.g., pinning fire, slaughterer)

[indigo portal]

If you want a more generalist kit I would recommend trying out Gunker. Gives your range weapon some actual single target coverage. I prefer Laspistol since it can do a 10% peril push to keep damage up, but I've seen good stuff with shredder autopistol because it's very strong right now.

I feel like even after nerfs Slaughterer will still be BiS on weapons that have it.

[spice oar]

if ult is last does that mean we dont get an ult untill like lvl 30 or that we just keep like a base ult and then it gets updated if we select it in the tree?

[fluid knot]

Nah, Void is absolutely not a single target weapon, its as much a horde killer as Purga is, just less AOE and more reliant on chokepoints

[spice veldt]

we'll have a nade/ult be default, but who knows what they'll be #ogryn-class message

[indigo portal]

It's been implied that each class starts off with a default kit. I'm assuming it'll be a basic dash without much added to it, and you can replace/upgrade it with the ults available further down the trees.

[fluid knot]

You cant stand out in the open with Void and spam it into a horde at 2ft away unless you're quell cancelling and then most of the time its much less effective to do so

[spice veldt]

here's an exaggerated example to show what the purg can do https://streamable.com/3yg2c1

[spice oar]

ELDRITCH SMITE

ZEUS⛈️ ⛈️ ⛈️

[regal jasper]

Shards

[fresh panther]

Recommendations for what to do with this?

[fluid knot]

It'll work fine, but if you have Rending Shockwave4, probably put that on over Nexus

[fresh panther]

hmm I think I may need to find that one still - I may have to farm for it

[broken carbon]

void is great for horde clear?

[indigo portal]

Yes you're the third person to comment on it. I'll edit the message for clarity since apparently it's needed.

[broken carbon]

lmfao

[indigo portal]

Fixed

[broken carbon]

epic

[scarlet timber]

Yo

Does obscurus has any use ?

I got one with good stats but

I odnt know if it matters

[modern bronze]

how can psyker be more crowd controlling in a world where purge exists

[scarlet timber]

No one knows ?

Goddam

I guess I really should give up on this class

But I guess that's why I get for being ogryn main

[lunar hollow]

generally worse than both deimos and illisi

[feral verge]

obscurus is good

but not as good as deimos or illisi

there is no objective reason to use it over them

[lyric burrow]

You can use it but illisi/deimos vastly overshadows yeah

Obscurus does nothing better than them afaik

But its still usable if you like it

[thorn cedar]

The thing it has is horde clear with a strong single target special

But in both categories it is beat, but neither other option offers both

(Although honestly horde clear on Deimos is also pretty good all things considered)

[spice oar]

i use it as my deflector stick and rending perks so i feel like a jedi. like the dude above me said its a jack of all trades master of none kinda deal

[spice veldt]

the other problem is that it's not even a jack of trades because of the deimos' existence

the hordeclear between the l1->h2 of the obscurus and the lightspam of the deimos is really 1-3 seconds for grey weapons

and then the deimos straight up has better single-target and the same special anyways

[lyric burrow]

yeah i find deimos with slaughterer horde clears just fine and its easy since its just light spam

[lyric burrow]

deimos also doesnt need the special

which is another point in its favor

it can just H2 to get better damage than obscurus special and your not stuck in place

[blazing echo]

was gonna melt this for warp flurry 4 but noticed its got ok stats and I'm reading a lot of posts that voidstrike is a decent staff. Worth keeping this?

[lyric burrow]

damn you got warp flurry 5

[blazing echo]

lol edited that out

[lyric burrow]

yeah thats decent although youll be stuck with one meh blessing

assuming you swap in transfer peril

[blazing echo]

thats what im using now

[lyric burrow]

maniac isnt awful void just doesnt do great single target

[indigo portal]

This is pretty much what I use. You can swap +elites out to hit BPs, keeping Run n Gun is up to you.

Well if you melt it you're only gonna get Warp Flurry 4 for Voidstrike staves.

[blazing echo]

thats gonna teach me for assuming they are related weapons

[lyric burrow]

nah all staves are there own thing

even if most share the same blessings

with one or two different ones

[blazing echo]

punches servitor

[lyric burrow]

yeah its an interesting choice

[spice veldt]

it makes sense since they're part of different families
it doesn't make sense that we only have a single weapon of each weapon family

psyker L

[blazing echo]

not a complete loss, got two ok staves instead of one

[lyric burrow]

yeah if we had more staves id be ok

but rn there are just 4 seperate families

[blazing echo]

now I just need a dual wield perk in the char refresh in Oct

[lyric burrow]

so it just feels bad

two void strikes sounds insane

2 illisis would be even more insane

map would just evaporate

[blazing echo]

oh, you reminded me to have a look at those

This is what Ive got meleewise for the moment. still got room for a buff as well 🙂

[spice oar]

its silly af, where my fireball purgatus and lightning beam nomanus

[spice veldt]

warp glock and quake lightning gun 🥲

[grand fox]

what force sword is the best? and what perks/blessings should i try to get on my FS?

[haughty bough]

slaughterer IV

oh perks

i run flak and unarmored on mine

dunno what the meta is considered

[idle aurora]

deimos for single targets, illisi for horde clear

obscurus is useless atm

[grand fox]

im only lvl 15 with my psyker, but so far the deimos has been pretty sweet. so I want slaughterer and dam to unarmored and flak on it? what about the 2nd blessing

[idle aurora]

I use slaughter/unstable power on all FS to pump up the damage to max, some people also run deflector for more survival potential

[haughty bough]

bloodthirster is also fantastic on illisi

but not very good on the others

[idle aurora]

I really hope new skill tree will help us to fine-tune builds to specific roles, but purgatus staff has potential to become completely bonkers if they add even more interacrions with flames

[haughty bough]

i hope they go the opposite way

and let me add flames to everything

[spice veldt]

being able to stack more base toughness and toughness regen feats will make me a very happy person

[indigo portal]

I'm excited for Ogryns to roll up with 750 base health 50 toughness.

[haughty bough]

absolutey

i want my brick wall covering me from all sides

[indigo portal]

Also excited for the memery that will be stacking even more stamina. I've gotten to 16, I crave higher.

[spice veldt]

my effective 370 toughness psyker shall become a reality

[lyric burrow]

psyker with that much toughness and infinite dodges would be invincible lol

[spice veldt]

it'll be balanced i swear

maybe they'll nerf the infinite dodges of force swords

[indigo portal]

That with Deflector will turn shooters into the least intimidating enemy in the game for even people with poor movement skills.

Maybe make it a blessing 🤷‍♂️
I kinda enjoy that the Force Swords have infinite dodges, makes me feel like it is channeling stamina into my character.

[spice veldt]

could be moved into a feat

double your dodge count with force melees

[crude cape]

why would you even say this

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-james-franco-gif-7829182

fuck game balance dont take my dodgey swords!!

[spice veldt]

your kneecaps are looking like a baseball

[humble bolt]

Fuck infinite dodges broken ass fuck

[gilded radish]

That would be evil

[gilded radish]

They are top tier goodness

[gilded radish]

Unless you get youself into a situation were 16 gunners are shooting you instead of your teammates

[haughty bough]

i doubt they will touch the dodge count as VT2 has had multiple weapons across all classes (except kruber i think?) with infinite dodges

[potent echo]

Deflector is the perfect blessing when I go crazy and try to flank shooters with my purgatus

[green tree]

What would you lads say the best purgatus staff blessings and perks are?

I'm trying out non-surge staves

This is what I've got now

[late field]

I personally prefer Warp Flurry, Terrifying Barrage, or Warp Nexus

[green tree]

So

You're saying I just casually got a godroll the first time I tried to make a purge staff?

[late field]

farming is life

[green tree]

What do you recommend for perks, then?

[late field]

I like damage perks, only bc I'm typically standing behind everyone

e.g. 10-20% dmg (Flak Armored enemies) etc.

This is my current one

[magic hull]

got the damage staff but im torn between giving up one on the tight to have both level 4 blessing on the left one.

[late field]

And tbf the Purgatus staff only has 5 perks to choose from

[green tree]

Appreciate the help.

[late field]

not perks, blessings

[lyric burrow]

use the one on the left and just change flak to 15% flak and barrage to nexus

cloud radius is an important stat

actually

[magic hull]

some guy say crit isnt as important

while supression is

[lyric burrow]

change crit damage to crit chance

crit damage is essentially worthless as its not calculated properly last i knew

[potent echo]

You want crits, it applies double stacks of soulblaze

[lyric burrow]

and doesnt do a whole lot

so you want crit chance

and nexus with it for more crit chance

[magic hull]

alr have a feat that does that for me i think

[potent echo]

crit chance plus the blessing that gives crit on high peril

[fresh reef]

Terrifying Barrage is very not good for Purg

[green tree]

What would you recommend, then?

[potent echo]

Purge already does insane suppression

[lyric burrow]

purg naturally does barrages job

[ornate hamlet]

Okay so

[lyric burrow]

as do pretty much all the staves

weapons for that matter even

[fresh reef]

Warp Nexus

[potent echo]

Combine nexus and flurry and roll crit chance

[lyric burrow]

^

[ornate hamlet]

What I personally noticed of terrifying barrage is that it's a guaranteed chance for one tick of suppression

[unreal wasp]

So wait, do infinite dodges actually matter? Is the issue that you get max dodge distance back too quickly? Fairly certain I've been hit mid-dodge before because I didn't move enough.

[green tree]

So crit with the staff, then?

[ornate hamlet]

I might be wrong, but each time I used it, the suppression forced an unbelievably short effect

[lyric burrow]

for purg yeah

[ornate hamlet]

They would halt for a fraction of a fraction of a second and then go back to normal

[potent echo]

I tried it with trauma the other day, the worse thing is that it only works for the ranged attack not the charged one (why)

[ornate hamlet]

worst part for trauma and other staves with the funny ball

is that the funny ball on its own already has massive suppression

it's basically useless anywhere

[potent echo]

Doesn't even one tap scab shooters

[magic hull]

okay so, terrifying barrage or nexus on purge.

[lyric burrow]

im wondering if FS didnt realize how much suppression and stagger most guns already have

no

anything but barrage ideally nexus

[magic hull]

one guy says one thing the other guy says the opposite idk which i pick

[fresh reef]

10000% Nexus

[willow escarp]

nexus yes

[magic hull]

should i proxy farm a lvl 4 nexus or can i just use a level 3 one

[lyric burrow]

level 3 will be fine till you get

4

its better than barrage anyway so def put it on there and youll have a very good staff

[willow escarp]

you can change it to 4 later

[lyric burrow]

can put level 4 on when you get it

make sure to change crit damage to chance as well

[potent echo]

Nexus + flurry

Ideal

Never barrage

[magic hull]

oh so if you change blessing to 3 you can upgrade to 4?

[lyric burrow]

yeah

you can change that blessing as much as you want

[willow escarp]

once you change a slot you can change it forever

[magic hull]

oh i didnt know that

[lyric burrow]

so if you farm for nexus 4 on other staves and get it you can take it off that staff and put it over nexus 3

[magic hull]

thought it only applies to perks

[willow escarp]

the ones that are locked are locked forever, the unlocked ones are unlocked forever

[lyric burrow]

youll just have to roll purg staffs till you get it

or check melk

[magic hull]

okay so im planning to change the top perk, which one should i change to (left picture)

[lyric burrow]

dont change top perk

flak is good

change crit damage

to tier 4 crit chance

unless im misunderstanding

[magic hull]

i think its just overall +10% crit damage increase

[potent echo]

Tier 4 crit chance the best perk for it

Crit on purgatus applies 2 soulblaze stacks

[lyric burrow]

i dont think the actual crit is doing that much damage

anyway

[potent echo]

It's not for the damage but more stacks of burn

[lyric burrow]

i also wanna say crit damage isnt calculated right anyway

[magic hull]

oh, i forgot, because this is the old picture. I changed the flak perk before that already 🙃 just havent touched the blessings yet

[lyric burrow]

F

well flurry + nexus is still good

[magic hull]

i just changed it to level 4 flak

[fresh reef]

can't decide which look I wanna bring into patch 13

I like them both equally

[spice veldt]

i vote left

i'm not much a fan of the bulk that psyker outfits tend to have

[fresh reef]

mm, fair

we need more majority black with red highlight options

I also have this one

[spice veldt]

the red comes off as a bit too strong in this outfit

i prefer the less saturated red outfit

[fresh reef]

Weird thing is that it actually matches the hat better in terms of color

[mild junco]

Is that intended that reflector doesn't activate when reviving someone ?

[fresh reef]

Yes

[mild junco]

Fuck

Skill issue

[fresh reef]

Used to be not that way, and it was busted

[mild junco]

I mean, it would be broken if that was the case, but still

[queen fog]

Did it work like that with ogryn’s slab shield before too?

[fresh reef]

I don't believe so, but I hadn't touched Ogryn yet

I forget which patch it was but it was around when the pre-order beta ended

[mild junco]

Seriously ?

[queen fog]

The 4 dregs in the back are sweating bullets rn

[fresh reef]

Kill more, skill issue

Smh

[mild junco]

It seems like I have a lot of skill issues to resolve

[fresh reef]

The Nurgle cultists don't want you to know this, but the dregs are heretics

You can murder them

I have over five-hundred thousand confirmed executions of dregs

[green tree]

Thanks for the suggestion to take WN

My friends are playing a comp RN that doesn't have any horde clear, so I needed to find a way to make it work.

[fresh reef]

[unreal wasp]

If you're a Staffker, definitely one of the reds personally. The black is really good for an ex-Enforcer Gunker.

Mainly because of the level of armor

If you're a primarily melee Staffker, heavier armor could still work

[fresh reef]

99% of my kills come from staff and BB lol

[unreal wasp]

At least 75% of my kills are melee

That's a generous underestimation

[fresh reef]

I think I'll probably go with the brighter red one. I feel like it fits the Protectorate vibe

[unreal wasp]

I read "Protectorate" and I just think of Starbound and how my sword glows blue like the (repaired) Protectorate Sword

The black and red actually works for the Enforcer look

At least if you compare them to (2nd Edition?) Necromunda Enforcers

Based color pallete, wish it had more white armor though. My favorite colors are white with red and black; red and black being secondary or tertiary varies.

[unreal wasp]

Think those are technically "Arbites" based on the image name even though they were on a Enforcer wiki page

Which is fine by me, Adeptus Arbites are cool as hell

[blazing echo]

Enforcers are part of the Adeptus Arbites

[unreal wasp]

Want me a funny Judge Dredd helmet though

I say that but then I may not even like how it looks

[green tree]

I think zealot has something like that.

[unreal wasp]

If it's the one I'm thinking of, feel like that's more Robocop

[green tree]

True enough I suppose.

[prisma perch]

Anyone in here have any experience with vrak 3? I’m wondering if suffers a lot from supression?

I’m trying to figure out if I want between the eyes or opening salvo and having a difficult time

[obsidian marten]

on vraks 3? do you have no respite?

[mild junco]

Last question before I go to sleep, on Voidstrike, should I go for Warp Nexus + Surge, or Focused + Warp Flurry ?

[prisma perch]

@obsidian marten I do have no respite 👍 I changed infested to flak and was mulling over switching specialist to maniac!

[obsidian marten]

tricky one honestly, I would probably put on maniac and keep the blessings. not sure if that is 100% the best thing though off the top of my head

mainly because i am unsure how much difference opening salvo would make

[gilded radish]

there are specialisits that are also maniacs, so i would put maniac, but up to you

[magic hull]

which model was this?

[prisma perch]

Thank you! I will try maniac 👍

[unreal wasp]

Have no idea, was from a Lexicanum wiki page and it says the source was Fanatic Magazine Issue 1

Speaking of Enforcers, not really a fan of the Palanite Enforcers armor compared to John Arbites

Not as cool as the Judge Dredd knight armor personally

Don't see any Purity Seals on Palanite Enforcers either

(I keep wanting to type Palatine Enforcers but that is apparently incorrect when you look at the Games Workshop page instead of the Lexicanum wiki page)

[magic hull]

probably older edition arbites

[unreal wasp]

Just got For the Emperor, Savant ironically doesn't say "For the Emperor" much

Mostly "For Atoma!" and "For the Lex Atoma!"

[unreal wasp]

Seeing as to how I play, Warp Resist being the low stat seems REALLY good

Am constantly at 100% anyway

[hidden crystal]

Not really. Enforcers are locally organised, Arbites are an Adeptus.

For a vague analogy, Enforcers are a city police force, Arbites are the FBI. Both about law enforcement, but different organisations with different scopes.

[slate sun]

Can I borrow your Slaughterer IV for a while? I'll bring it back in a sec...

[unreal wasp]

[blazing echo]

Google it

[hidden crystal]

I don't need to google it - I have the books on my shelf.

While both are based around the enforcement of law, they are separate organisations.

It'd be like saying the Arbites are part of the Inquisition, because the Inquisition also enforce law.

[blazing echo]

Funny as thats one of the definitions

[hidden crystal]

Hell, one of the Savant's voice lines in game even draws a distinction between the Enforcers and Arbites.

Something along the lines of "The Enforcers watch the people, the Arbites watch the Enforcers, the Inquisition watch the Arbites, but who watches the Inquisition?"

[unreal wasp]

Da Emprah

[blazing echo]

Everyone watches everyone in the 40k universe I think is the point there. Also during my search for something more concrete I also found reference to some gangs using the term Enforcer and also contractions of imperial departments to Enforcers (from 'Enforcers of Law' specifically)

Tbf Its not like the lore always makes sense either. I suggest we both make better use of this time and smack some heretics. Wanna team up?

[unreal wasp]

Ironically called Enforcers, not actually Enforcers

[blazing echo]

Its 'do lasguns have recoil?' all over again

[unreal wasp]

I mean

I'd be careful using Lexicanum because they label the Palanite Enforcers "Palatine Enforcers"

[blazing echo]

That was the gang Id read about yeah

[hidden crystal]

As the "Enforcer (Inquisition)" title suggests, that's a case of the same term being used in more than one way.

This is the page you want as regards the Necromunda models and what the Savant's always harping on about: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Enforcer_(Security_Force)

[unreal wasp]

Yea, there's a disambiguation page on Lexicanum for a reason I suppose

[errant condor]

Duelling sword is nuts if you can hit headshotss

[fresh reef]

so I have no clue how this happened, but my 17% curio got duplicated on my second loadout

[upper galleon]

You literally square rectangling yourself. Or even worse

Some enforcers have worked with the inquisition but they are their own organization

[mild junco]

Oi ! For the Voidstrike players here, should I pair Surge with Warp Nexus, or Warp Flurry with Focused Channeling, or another pair of blessing ?

[thorn cedar]

you can have fun with all sorts of combinations, but

as far as efficacy goes, Transfer Peril + Warp Flurry is just the best

[hollow current]

not much of a void player but I think warp flurry and transfer peril is the easiest/best

you can do nexus and surge tho if you wanna do a crit thing

[near wyvern]

Warp flurry with transfer peril or focused channeling is a good combo. Warp Nexus + Blazing Spirit is a working one as well but requires constant quell cancelling to pull weight. Blazing Spirit tends to do more damage than Surge and quell cancelling can cancel the Surge proc as well so Blazing Spirit is the one you should pair with crit build.

[scarlet timber]

Guys

What is each staff good at?

Is voidstrike the best one to kill gunners with ?

[feral verge]

They're all mostly for cc and horde clear

Except surge

Surge is for cc'ing groups of elites, specials and some shooter groups

If you want the best, well rounded staff, it's probably trauma staff

[willow escarp]

never really used it but I assume void would be the best specifically for gunners since I’m assuming you mean not at close range

but you could just pop some primary shots and then BB them

[feral verge]

I bb elites 80% of the time

(gunners are considered elites)

[willow escarp]

far away yeah a gunner for sure

if maulers and ragers and bulwarks rolling up on us I’ll usually trauma or sword them

[thorn cedar]

yeah BB is really your bread and butter, a staff provides some sort of utility or stopgap for you

[hollow current]

damn just rolled this up from a shop blue

Rebless flurry to focus and get 25 on unyielding?

[thorn cedar]

in a loose sense i'd agree that voidstrike is 'best' for gunners, but that's situational, too. like surge isnt that much worse if you know how to sprint-charge and sprint-slide to close distanc and lock them down

but if gunners were to just 'show up' while i was already doing void strike shit, i wouldnt have to reposition myself or anything

[crude cape]

want to try to go in armored...
But ditched my shield since i duel wielded last round.
Best shield in store i see is a buckler, which sucks. Am I just gonna have to find one?

[hybrid solstice]

should i get flak instead of crit chance

[hollow current]

ye

[hybrid solstice]

kk

[brazen warren]

how much bonus damage does a crit give?

[spice veldt]

depends on the weapon

the majority of weapons do not have particularly good crit damage multipliers

though force swords have one of the higher crit damage multipliers (2.38x at 80% finesse)

on the autopistol as shown above, the crit damage multiplier is ~1.14x

[golden frigate]

as a voidstrike enjoyer, and as somebody who refuses not to run auric missions, i find that most of the time i need to spam cancel the charged attack for both horde clearing (weakspot hits will still kill the trash) and for stagger/suppression; this means I advocate for a nexus/surge build, or even a nexus/transfer peril

(canceling with R resets your flurry to 0)

[ornate hamlet]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GpYIuo3xGA8&pp=ygUTZm9jdXMgZW50ZXJ0YWlubWVudA%3D%3D

[digital loom]

thumbnail and promo paterial shows a space marine wearing a helmet

no helmet in sight

i hope i can put a helmet on

its not like space wolves who are handicapped when they wear helmet

[flint turtle]

Yeah but your a named character so helmets only provide slightly more armor, your plot armor should be enough to keep you safe

[digital loom]

dont care

dont feel comfortable without a helmet

[grand fox]

how do you quell peril with a staff? or is that only certain staffs that can do that

[safe crystal]

Your reload button, whichever you've bound it to.

[raw swift]

all you need for a crazy pysker build

[raw swift]

you can quell all pyshic weapons

its just R

hold R

[spice oar]

what

o nvm i thought you meant all weapons like the guns aswell i was feeling mad

[fresh reef]

Warp Absorption is stupid

[lyric burrow]

wait i might need to try that over quietitude

at least on purg

[dapper dove]

Psyker no psyking

[spice veldt]

the chaos spawn's grab can be dodged in a surprisingly tight space as long as you go right, it seems

https://streamable.com/w0jt93

[lyric burrow]

are you playing vet???

[lunar hollow]

i corrupted him

[spice veldt]

i got addicted to the crack cocaine that was single-target DPS

[lyric burrow]

also yeah back right works best for me

obv no room there

although it might not make a difference

also i think you should put your dodge count on screen so that we can see it go -10/5

because i do the same thing when i get used to psyker and swap

[spice veldt]

lmao

imagine having numbers for your dodge count

and not cool angle brackets

[lunar hollow]

i opened the ryken xiv guide for bolter and he fired like 30 bolter rounds (using sustained fire) to kill 4 shotgunners

i wept

[spice veldt]

i get sad whenever pressing shift doesn't move me a lot

[spice veldt]

i cri

[lyric burrow]

everytime i dump a bolter clip i feel like an idiot

although sometimes it killed 10 ogryns

[willow escarp]

been using that dueling sword V more lately and that dodge distance is very pleasant

[lyric burrow]

when it kills nothing i feel really dumb

[lunar hollow]

u have to know when to do it

[spice veldt]

bolter feels comfy for me to use, though my muscle memory with the mouse is pretty good so i'm comfortable with single-firing all the time

[lunar hollow]

@spice veldt post the clip of me 'soloing' 6 reapers

[spice veldt]

I only don't use it because i'm addicted to weapons with no hipfire inaccuracy

[lyric burrow]

i only try to do it to crushers

/ogryn packs

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/mwpua4

[lyric burrow]

or if shit hits the fan and we need instant pressure relief

why are you searching for strike team in game

[spice veldt]

do you not see the people that i'm in-game with?

[lyric burrow]

Fair lol

[spice veldt]

pretty unusual glitch

i think it's my first time experiencing it

[lunar hollow]

why would u want a new strike team when u have a space marine with u

[spice veldt]

or second at most

[spice veldt]

that space marine may also have a history of blowing me up

[lunar hollow]

how do u think i became a space marine in the body of a twink

it required great sacrifices

ive reformed though

[lyric burrow]

Also how important is pinning 4 vs pinning 3

[lunar hollow]

i dont do it nearly as often

[lyric burrow]

On bolter

[lunar hollow]

its like having a global t4 damage perk

it's basically the biggest improvement u can make

[lyric burrow]

Ok i only have t3 was wondering how much of a difference it makes

Not that its bad

But its not the bolter that lets me solo the game

[lunar hollow]

on vet its not as big of a deal

but like the best thing u can do is swap it for t4

u dont even need shattering impact to deal with armor, if u have like surgical/deadshot on vet or zealot ult u can crack crushers with the armor strip from ult or rending from crits

https://streamable.com/f2i3s2

don't tell anyone this

but u can be ammo positive on reaper kills

[lyric burrow]

I wish i was shocked

Whenever i play with a bolter vet i swear they never lose ammo

[lunar hollow]

thats the funny thing

if u run like, TBTA and mostly melee shooters

ur hardly ever gonna need ammo

because you can delete every elite in the game easy af

counterfire is still pretty nuts but im leaning more and more towards TBTA bolter because of how fuckin ridiculously it flattens rooms

[lyric burrow]

After they buffed TBTA for like 75% i started running it on plasma

I thought it was fine at 50 even

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/031zby

i fuckin hate that the bolter is the gun that can do this and not plasma

[lyric burrow]

Plasma feels good but its ammo economy is worse and its just worse bolter imo

Not that it's bad

Bolter is very good

[lunar hollow]

plasma gets shafted by blessing availability and vet's ammo regen

whereas bolter benefits from both massively

[lyric burrow]

Oh that too

Plasma has no good blessings really

Blaze away is like fine

[lunar hollow]

getting crit blessings on a weapon with god awful crits

🙂

[lyric burrow]

Glory hunter isnt bad but vet can do that anyway