psyker-class

[unreal wasp]

Prefer the revolver but that one's nice for shooters

[median hawk]

I havent played the game in ages... is the brain burst still fucking dogshit?

[lyric burrow]

Define dogshit

It 2 shots crushers with the right set up

So id say its pretty decent

[median hawk]

As in is it still overshadowed by the sharpshooter class merely existing still?

[lyric burrow]

Pretty much anything compared to veteran is worse

Vets just the best class

Some classes have better parts ie psyker melee

[spice veldt]

brainburst is always going to be second to the more specialized weapons (though we have some very powerful generalist weapons cough cough bolter)

[lyric burrow]

Pinning fire was a mistake

[median hawk]

Then did anything change in regards to the Purgatus soulblaze build or has that been nerfed?

[lyric burrow]

AB is good

So i think most people just do purge ab

Wildfire is still bad

Wrack and ruin is pretty w/e

Blazing trauma staff is good now at least

[plucky flax]

Wildfire gud

[hidden crystal]

I don't think brain burst was ever terrible, but the mistake people make is assuming that it makes the psyker the "anti-elite/anti-special" class.

But as far as whether it's improved, it's certainly received a reasonable number of buffs since the early versions of the game.

Nothing regarding its speed, but it does do a bit more damage, and some of the feats that lean on it have been buffed.

[slow raven]

the big one is warp charges now fall off one at a time instead of all at once, makes it easier to stay at a level of buffs where brain burst can one shot stuff like tox flamers

makes it a lot more usable

[vast sky]

Why am I hearing voices in the hub?

[hidden crystal]

One QoL feature I really wish they would add is rendering the BB aura in different colours depending on whether it's yours or another psyker's.

And I do still hope for a mod that can tell you what the hell it is you've locked on to.

Knowing that you didn't lock the sniper, but the regular shooter next to it... that would be welcome info.

[spice veldt]

i like the blue outline of whatever you've targeted idea

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, I guess that as a thing would somewhat kill both birds with one stone - showing whatever you have targeted in a blue highlight not unlike the tag or the vet's ult would make it easier to tell what you had locked.

But as a whole thing, brainburst isn't IMO bad.

If you're expecting it to outcompete a veteran in direct line of sight, that's asking a lot of it.

But veterans can't lock onto a target and then duck back completely into cover, or manage to acquire a target in the 0.05 seconds it can be seen through a gap.

[spice veldt]

and the anti-armor/anti-bulwark seems to be underappreciated by some, presumably because psyker was the first class for them

[worn heath]

BB isn't like the best killing ability/weapon in the game but it's versatile and present (for now) in every loadout regardless of melee/ranged pick

[lyric burrow]

yeah i think its very good

it doesnt help that pre damnnation its like the best thing in the game

because it one shots everything

[thorn cedar]

i honestly think that's where the vast majority of BB frustration comes from

it's hard to still see it as good if most of your playtime was in those lower levels and its impact in terms of kill potential is very high. simultaneously Veterans will also seem to be constantly competing for your targets and doing it better for the same reasons of less health along with fewer targets

then you get higher up and there's plenty of taggable enemies to go around and BBs consistency becomes incredibly valuable

[neon steppe]

I heckin love brainburst, it’s everything I wished for when I first heard it teased. Specials? Deleted. Armored elites? Deleted. Monstrosities? Also deleted. Max warp stacks and kinetic barrage give a serious dps boost, you can still one shot trappers, flamers, gunners even in damnation with enough stacks.

[spice veldt]

i suppose that when you're starting out, your gear isn't as good so it'll initially leave a big impression because the weapon doesn't scale (for better or worse)

i didn't like using the bolter, so i migrated to psyker specifically for brain burst as an anti-crusher/bulwark weapon

[fresh reef]

finally got my third +3 stam curio
shame it's on psyker lul

[harsh urchin]

psyker is one of the best users of +3 stamina

it doubles your total stamina with a fs

[fresh reef]

while true, I use dueling sword

why block when my dodge distance can clear an entire zip code?

[harsh urchin]

you shouldn't ever use your stamina to block except against bosses

[fresh reef]

even against bosses, 80% defense mk5 dueling sword with only two stam bars does just fine

[whole oxide]

and then you look at dueling swords damage vs unyielding......

[hidden crystal]

I had a game last night where I had to admire a zealot pulling off this move - tagging a bulwark, waiting for me to stagger it with brain burst, then using it as an opening to get in a couple of bolter shots.

Probably unnecessary, as I would have been able to finish it off before it closed (this is why I vent all my peril to start, as I'm expecting to need three BB charges to down it), but still a neat way of getting past the bulwark's shield.

But yeah, brain burst is not bad - but it's not the "OMG, this makes psyker the anti-special class" tool that some people might think.

A lot of the time I handle many elites/specials by just shooting them.

Brain burst does hefty damage against every armour type at any range, barely requires line of sight and uses no ammo.

Its drawback is that it's slow to charge.

Which, yes, in a hectic horde shooter is often an issue, but to say that it's useless is a fairly silly take.

[plucky perch]

honestly, im worried psyker shards and chain lightning wont be as POTENT as brain bursting

being able to reliably one or two tap every eleite and one tap almost every special and disable is...usefull

[hidden crystal]

Right now, I'm honestly not expecting to change my blitz.

I'll need to see what the others are like, but Brain Burst is effective against a lot of enemies that are traditionally tricky for a lot of weapons.

[blazing echo]

Snipers.. I love it for those smug c**ts

[fast swan]

brain burst is simply a method to get warp charges to do damage
with that damage you kill elites/specials

not the other way around

but that is a filthy gun psyker playstyle

[brazen warren]

its all about the 4 combat encounter types: horde clear, special clear, monstrosity dps, or shooter clear. BB fits into 3 of those comfortably, excelling at special clear. So if shards/smite will be good at something else most likely.

[fast swan]

(i am ditching brain burst the second i get my hands on smite or funny mind knives)

[brazen warren]

I want as much of my kit to be specialized into shooter exterminatus at all times

so if smite or knife is better at killing shooters, gib NAO

[meager plinth]

if the telekine knives are fast, it will be REALLY fun

[shy fiber]

Best perk for this trauma staff?

[worldly iron]

For me Infested given Pox Walkers hoards are annoying to deal with

[unreal wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apg6OHOrhbQ

[hidden crystal]

I'd consider running a Vraks VII again if I could actually get my hands on one that matches up to my MG12s.

[unreal wasp]

May end up getting a las anyway because the iron sights on the VraksVII are harder to use than the stub revolver personally

Revolver just feels easier to use even though I like taking the HH for shooters

Funny that my highest weapon roll is an autogun on Psyker

Just thought of this

Can't wait for there to be a HH skin that either has a holo sight or better iron sights and people complain about it being P2W

Lol

[hidden crystal]

This is my psyker's current MG12:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1141558408449904700/image.png

[unreal wasp]

Oh damn, basically same blessings and all

[hidden crystal]

Although it's not actually the highest rated ranged weapon she has: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1143709029718302791/image.png

[hidden crystal]

Well, I like the blessing combo as it does do something of an approximation of vet's suppression/ranged damage resistance.

[unreal wasp]

Blessings to make shooters easier to deal with, which is why I would run my HH instead of revolver in the first place

[hidden crystal]

Not that gunpsyker is necessarily trying to compete with vet, but if you want to trade fire with shooters, then it helps to be able to stack a lot of resistance against them.

I've certainly had a lot of missions where I've had to play discount veteran though.

[unreal wasp]

I mean, that's practically what my Psyker is, discount veteran and zealot, marksman firearm to deal with ranged specials quickly (and shooters sometimes) and Illisi for easy horde clear and clearing dreg and scab melee groups

[hidden crystal]

The number of times I've been in missions which are something like Purge psyker, Surge psyker and Kickback ogryn, and ended up being the only solid anti-shooter loadout we've got...

[unreal wasp]

Whenever a boss shows up I actually play psyker and use brain burst

Or crushers/bulwarks

[hidden crystal]

I never massively got on with most of the staves (although I have used that Voidstrike a few times recently in "no ammo" Maelstroms, albeit non-Auric ones), but by the time you realise that, you're rather invested in the grinding of the class you've picked.

And with the way the gear/crafting system is, I don't fancy trying to get hold of a new set of gear on another class.

Particularly Ogryn. At least with Zealots and Vets, Psykers have a lot of gear overlap, so I've already got Blessings in my inventory, but everything for Ogryn is uniquely Ogryn.

[unreal wasp]

Meh, it's not too bad, I played Oggy for a while, played Vet for a little bit, went back to Oggy, now I'm playing Psyker, already have decent if not good gear.

[hidden crystal]

A shame, because I'm vaguely amused by the idea of creating an Ogryn called BrootBiggmann.

[unreal wasp]

Oh wait, do the earned blessings go between characters?

[hidden crystal]

Banked blessings are available to all your characters.

[unreal wasp]

O h M y~

[hidden crystal]

Within the normal requirement that it has to be for the right weapon class.

[wicked cape]

oki need help

[hidden crystal]

(e.g. Unlocking Run and Gun for a psyker stave doesn't give you Run and Gun for an Infantry Autogun).

[unreal wasp]

Wonder how long it'll be when gear is shared between characters so I can just use my HP curios from my Ogryn on my Psyker

[wicked cape]

which blessing is actually more useful

because I wanna scrap this weapon later to get blessing and idrk which of the two is good

[hidden crystal]

IMO, Uncanny Strike is the better of those.

It's possible that some people like Riposte, but I don't.

[unreal wasp]

A lot of people say conditional crit chance is bad. With how apparently bonus crit damage doesn't affect the TOTAL damage and ONLY the added crit damage, I think crit is generally bad to build for

[hidden crystal]

Unless you've got a very specific reason for wanting to cause crits (like a lot of Zealot's feats or something like Blazing Spirit that sets the target on fire), or it's a really rapid fire weapon where you're throwing enough attacks that crits average out and basically just become part of your damage statistic, I entirely disregard them as a mechanic.

[wicked cape]

[hidden crystal]

Have you been gambling with Mazosi again?

[wicked cape]

i wanted new staff

but instead i lost it all

[hidden crystal]

It might be worth reporting as a bug - the game shouldn't really ever let you go into negative currency.

[wicked cape]

will do

[unreal wasp]

Thanks for the cosmetics btw

[potent echo]

Wait are they really 🤔

I don't think my blessing were shared for my combat axe, but then I wasnt keeping track

[plucky perch]

out of curiousity for those who refuse to use staffs, why play psyker? not judging just feels like its a more niche less ammo freindly veteran with a non synergetic ult. or are ya all pinning fire pistol soulfire ult users?

[unreal wasp]

Because Illisi and brainburst are fun, I can block bullets, blocking uses peril before it uses stamina, I can press F to knock things down before I can pick people up, etc etc

[plucky perch]

good point, psykers got better melle

and 0 second stamina regen

[unreal wasp]

I have 234 health and if a hit takes all of my toughness but doesn't take my health during a horde I can get it all back with an Illisi sweep

[plucky perch]

true but when they do manage to bypass your health there goes 90% of it. so squishy

[unreal wasp]

If they manage to bypass to my health

[plucky perch]

i ment bypass toughness

but you in particular do it for bb and force swords?

[hidden crystal]

Yes.

[unreal wasp]

Mostly for force swords but yea

Brain burst is nice for boss/ogryn damage

[potent echo]

Revolver psyker is really fun

[unreal wasp]

ALSO

Psyker can get a +24% buff to damage (guns included) just for being alive

Up to 49% bonus damage if I'm fighting a horde with Illisi and quick swap to gun to kill something

[obsidian marten]

not fun to play the overpowered classes + better melee stats

[plucky perch]

i feel guilty playing a gunker, i might be out performing the vet missing 12 lasgun shots at point blank range, but im also stealing zealots and oggies ammo

so was curious as to what draws others to it

[hidden crystal]

Partly because moving to a new class would be a whole new grind. Partly because shooting isn't the entire experience of gunpsyker.

[unreal wasp]

I don't steal ammo so I mean, usually let everyone else take ammo, and if I'm using a revolver, usually staying with the vet is enough to keep my ammo maxxed

Don't use the revolver on anything but elites/specials

[plucky perch]

kinda wish out staffs, purgutus obviously an exception already. could match even one of vets lesser guns dps

[unreal wasp]

If I'm using revolver I usually just run at the shooters with force swords

[obsidian marten]

I dont really consider picking up ammo as stealing it

[unreal wasp]

Would only say taking ammo is "stealing" it if the other classes are hurting for ammo and NEED to be using ranged to do anything

And you yourself don't NEED to be using ranged

[hidden crystal]

I never really get the "gun psykers steal ammo" argument. Because classes can be mixed and matched in any combination, it's not like the team was ever assured of having a psyker to begin with, and even if you are using ammo, it's not really much different to if you joined as a zealot.

[plucky perch]

true true, m,aybe i just enjoy anti horde/eleite ranged and infinite ammo to much

[unreal wasp]

If you see someone else doing a lot of work with gun, you should let them take ammo. If they're barely doing anything and just wasting ammo but you need ammo, free real estate

[plucky perch]

oooh i dont consider other gunkers ammo stealers, i consider my self one, i feel less suprotive knowing i could run a staff and still have some significant ranged presence with out ususing up ammo

[unreal wasp]

I mean

If I wanted to be SUPPORTIVE

I'd use Surge staff

[hidden crystal]

And psykers can stack a semi-static 34% damage boost pretty easily, which with some weapons can hit breakpoints the vet needs to use their ult to reach.

[unreal wasp]

I'd barely kill anything but I'd be a living taser so my teammates can kill things more easily

[lunar hollow]

people notice it a lot more when the gun psyker is bad, because they could've been bad (or better, maybe) with a ranged weapon that doesn't take ammo

[obsidian marten]

there is plenty of ammo, honestly they could tone it down (probably through nerfing vets passive) everyone should be able to take their share

[lunar hollow]

ammo economy is fucked currently, too easy with a vet and too hard without

[unreal wasp]

I mean, if someone's bad at using a gun, they're just bad at using a gun and could be considered wasting ammo pickups if they're constantly taking ammo. Doesn't matter if they're playing Psyker or not

[lunar hollow]

with zealot or vet if someone's bad, people normally don't care as much because you're stuck with an ammo-consuming weapon no matter what

[plucky perch]

like i said i dont consider it for others just my self XD

[unreal wasp]

Feel like a vet constantly firing into a horde with a revolver would be just as bad. Because they COULD just get good at melee vet and just melee hordes

[plucky perch]

but i also tend to shy away from heavy ranged use on oggy and zealot

[lunar hollow]

honestly revolver is one of vet's best weapons for ranged horde clear

since u get so much cleave with it

it's a degenerate playstyle but i never expect anything out of revolver players anyways

[unreal wasp]

Like when I played slug shotgun I would spend most of my time in melee and snipe elites/specials

[lunar hollow]

i get annoyed just seeing revolver players in general, since it's one of those weapons that requires someone to have a brain

and u cannot ever guarantee that in pubs

[jovial mural]

What do yall think is a good perk to have on a surge staff?

[unreal wasp]

But yea, @plucky perch, if they tried to make it where Psyker could only be Battle Wizard Sienna and there wasn't an option to be Unchained Sienna, I would NOT play Psyker

[plucky perch]

i getcha, i love staffs my self though, was just curious as to what draws other to it

got a few solid answers now

[unreal wasp]

I am using a gun on Psyker but I am technically a melee psyker

[hidden crystal]

I've recently swapped to a higher ammo MG12 (78% rather than 59%, with the Mobility stat having swapped roughly in the other direction) and I was generally pretty ammo efficient even before that (lots of melee), so I don't usually feel like I'm taking an unfair proportion of ammo pickups.

[plucky perch]

though for yall the good news, the skill tree update is 100% coming with gunker buffs

[unreal wasp]

And seeing as to how a lof of the staff options are mostly horde clear, it would compete with my melee and I don't think you should take a ranged weapon that does the same job as your melee weapon

Either have a melee that single targets and a ranged weapon for horde clear or vice versa

[hidden crystal]

Actually, I can't remember the last time I had someone complaining (in game, at least) about me playing gunpsyker.

[obsidian marten]

I am pretty much with foncible, I play most classes melee heavy and like being in the middle of it

[lunar hollow]

it's mostly a malice mentality thing

[unreal wasp]

Oof, you should have even less ammo trouble in malice

[lunar hollow]

people get stuck playing malice. somehow these people are also not good

and a lot of them like to be vocal about it

[plucky perch]

i tend towards heresy and damnation because of how stupid people in mlice can tend to be

[lunar hollow]

i don't touch anything below hi int damnation for the most part

[unreal wasp]

I like playing Malice, I can play Heresy in pubs or even Damnation with a premade but I like playing the game casually

[plucky perch]

im JUST good enough to reliably clear hi shock damnation if my teams solid

[lunar hollow]

anything below hi5 feels boring to me lol

only way to make it hard is getting an 18 karat string of bad luck with pub players just folding

[plucky perch]

so hi shock heresy is the sweet spot for me between casual and challenge

though i also enjoy heresy in general the shooter patrols are SLIGHTLY less agrivating

im hopin the skill tree update works some sort of peril mechanic into usuing guns

[lunar hollow]

im curious to see what the 3rd psyker ult will be

[plucky perch]

in exchange for like power or ammo effiency

[lunar hollow]

hoping for some sort of vortex or smth lol

[unreal wasp]

Feel like that would moreso be a gun that has some kind of force charge ability or something

[fresh reef]

purgatus stats says it deals about 16 for primary attack. it deals roughly double for every category that isn't carapace. (in not just practice, but the attack breakdown table)

What gives?

[lunar hollow]

99% of all damage u deal is applied via burn

the damage stat is insigificant in comparison and functionally useless

[lunar hollow]

which is determined by the burn stat

[fresh reef]

burn only affects soulblaze stacks though, no?

[lunar hollow]

there's also this funny thing with dt weapons

the damage value u see on the card

is just false

it isn't real

[plucky perch]

one ult is the force field, with 2 or 3 upgrades avalable like he dome variant. our current oh shit button is another with its i think all 3 variants being avalable. im hoping for some sort of lobbed nuke that just wipes the screen, in exchange for no force quell. or like a perils of the warp warp votex on our side

[lunar hollow]

u should basically treat it as lying to you

since every armor type has a modifier. it's just a quirk of the game

[fresh reef]

generally speaking yes, but it seems odd that the damage on the card and the damage on the weapon stat page disagree

[lunar hollow]

the damage tables on the inspect screen are correct

[hidden crystal]

I'm primarily playing regular Damn at the moment, although I've dropped back to Malice and Heresy for a couple of (non-Auric) Maelstroms. And I might go and play Malice for a while again if they ever sort out Flawless Execution so it isn't painfully unfairly implemented.

[lunar hollow]

since its base damage is modified by the type of armor it hits

[unreal wasp]

Inb4 it's literally just Unchained's ult

[plucky perch]

that would suck so hard

[unreal wasp]

[plucky perch]

NOW as an upgrade variant to our CURRENT ULKT yes

360 knock down upgrade with 100% quell? yes please

[lunar hollow]

i find the players in t5 are much quieter

heresy/malice can get pretty annoying pretty fast

[fresh reef]

I wonder if the dome repels melee attackers, or just gunfire

[lunar hollow]

presumably just gunfire

[plucky perch]

i wouldnt be suprised if it does just outright nullify gunfire, but i suspect it will provide some sorta dr against melle

even the dataminging of the ability sugested as much

[unreal wasp]

The wild thing is that we also don't know if the wall/dome even moves or if it's stationary

[fresh reef]

I'm excited for the teaser image of that heat-seeking missile esque blitz

sounds sick

[unreal wasp]

Did they have an image for it? I only saw the force wall?

[plucky perch]

if its stationary it gota be a REAL solid ability

[fresh reef]

so far they only have images of the new smite blitz and the shield

[plucky perch]

if its mobile and moves with the sparkhead i could see it being a bit weaker in exchange

[unreal wasp]

Que?

[plucky perch]

yeah they showed the wall variant of the force field, and the chain lightning

[unreal wasp]

If you mean this, this is the wall

[plucky perch]

only still images though

[unreal wasp]

They showed the lightning? I don't see that

[lunar hollow]

the psyker is moving in the image

i would suspect it moves with you

but idk

[hidden crystal]

Certainly the most self-opinionated player I ever encountered was in Malice.

Spouting some guff about "Even I can't rescue this run" when I'd already had to get him up twice.

[unreal wasp]

O o o o o, I've been wondering about abilities all being blue and none of them having purple energy

[plucky perch]

i wish the "cool down reduction" % on curious wasnt so shite, would be fun to build for maximum forcefield uptime and be a walking no guns allowed zone for your team mates

[fresh reef]

please tell me it was at least a zealot and that can be handwaved as rp

[hidden crystal]

No, it was a veteran.

[lunar hollow]

yeah. the lower difficulties have a lot of people who suck but think highly of themselves

[fresh reef]

of fucking course

[lunar hollow]

damnation does too if you're unlucky but i find most lobbies are just silent

[regal jasper]

Better have a voice line of “unlimited power!!!!”

[unreal wasp]

At the same time with this blitz, I'm wondering what the point of using this over Surge staff is

[plucky perch]

if i start role playing as a spark head or oggy in heresy i USUALY get some responses

[lunar hollow]

one of my favorite DT reddit posts is this shieldgryn who melees with the grenade gauntlet and within the first 4 minutes of the video he posts of him playing heresy, he runs off a cliff

[unreal wasp]

Can the blitz stun more things? If so does that not just make Surge worse?

[grizzled jasper]

Does this mean the game turns 3rd person every time you ult?

[unreal wasp]

No, that's doubtful, pretty sure they were just showing it like that to make it look cooler

[gilded viper]

It might be an inhouse cinematic camera

[fresh reef]

prob much more outright damage, less stun

though that might impede on BB's territory. Really a 'wait and see' type deal

[fresh reef]

no

[lunar hollow]

probably more peril generation too? maybe a cooldown even, idk

[hidden crystal]

I can't help but imagine that for Seer it needs to be "Unlimited Rice Pudding" instead.

[gilded viper]

Rice pudding sounds so good right now ngl

[fresh reef]

as a seer, yes

[grizzled jasper]

Bah

[fresh reef]

please make my teammates even more concerned for my mental wellbeing

[gilded viper]

I’m looking forward to testing out the wall

[unreal wasp]

Hey I mean, if the wall is worth using? I'll probably swap out Deflector for Slaughterer on my Illisi

[gilded viper]

Can one shoot out of the wall is the big question.

Or is it a, worry about it later, sorta barrier

[unreal wasp]

Hard to say, they didn't show bullet trails coming from the veteran's gun in the image

[gilded viper]

Exactly, something that would need to be tested in a match too unfortunately, not able to be labbed

[unreal wasp]

Actually noticed, unless that's just a pose they used for the image, wondering if Veteran is getting a shooting stance for one of their trees

[gilded viper]

Isn’t that the current ult for vet?

[fresh reef]

I was wondering what that stance was

[unreal wasp]

I mean a stance where you sit still and just unload

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-shooting-gif-23980108

[hidden crystal]

Taking a poo, I think.

[grizzled jasper]

Camo stance

[gilded viper]

Oh no I see what you mean, it sorta looks like a spray and pray stance

[lunar hollow]

it looks like the bolter hipfire animation imo

[gilded viper]

How would that work with semis and charged weapons tho?

[fresh reef]

average veteran awareness

[gilded viper]

I sure am glad I got all 4 reject types to 30 tho lol.

[fresh reef]

I still have Zealot at 23

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/1rnige

[plucky perch]

did he take literarly 5 salvos of fire to the face and NOT dodge?

[fresh reef]

https://tenor.com/view/nodders-gif-26414892

[hidden crystal]

Don't worry, headshots don't do additional damage to vets. It's not like they use their brains for anything.

[gilded viper]

Is there a release date for dt 2.0?

[fresh reef]

pretty sure he woulda just dropped dead if I hadn't suppressed those dregs lol

[fresh reef]

October 4th

same as xbox release

[gilded viper]

Ok so we got a few weeks to play with Necro Sienna good

[lunar hollow]

pub vets can be very precious

[fresh reef]

see I would, but everyone else is playing Necro Sienna

so I can't play nerco sienna unless I wanna play solo

(this is why I prefer Darktide)

[gilded viper]

I just host my own matches lol. My bots are better at cata than most players

But, if you wanna play some I can do runs with you when the dlc releases

[fresh reef]

but muh quickplay bonus

[gilded viper]

You can host qp

Its a sanctioned mod

[hidden crystal]

"Oh, shall I shoot something...? Yes, let's shoot the bomb that my team mate is already dealing with just fine."

[fresh reef]

tbf, I also haven't played nearly as much VT2

[gilded viper]

I haven’t played dt since before spawn got unleashed. So 2.0 seems like an excellent re-entry point

[fresh reef]

lul

[hidden crystal]

Also, +2 wounds, I notice.

[plucky perch]

i want a staff with... a high damage high knock down aoe shock wave primary, but histcan sniper secondary

[gilded viper]

Now see I adore vermintide

[gilded viper]

You just want beam staff, same.

[plucky perch]

just based on raw telekentic power

[plucky perch]

nah combo of the beam and bolt

[gilded viper]

I want bolt staff

Bolt is so fun, especially before they nerfed exploding crits in chaos wastes

[plucky perch]

the secondary fire being themed around a single pin point super sonic blaze bolt

yeah bolt is fun but man does it chew through over heat

[fresh reef]

my goofy ass patiently waiting for biomancer tree (half the feats will be broken on launch)

[grizzled jasper]

Why are your hands tied

[fresh reef]

she's been freed oh god oh no

[plucky perch]

dont kink shame

[hidden crystal]

I too want to talk to plants.

[plucky perch]

i hope the gunker buffing tree is divination focused

[fresh reef]

rofl

[regal jasper]

Thats a true kriegsman right there

[fresh reef]

here, have a free wallpaper

[regal jasper]

At ease soldier!

[unreal wasp]

I can understand shooting at a poxburster and accidentally blowing up a teammate that wasn't visible on screen yet but they should've been able to outright see you

[lunar hollow]

my favorite part of this is how the psyker starts BBing right before i push and the vet dets it

idk what i did to those guys but i was marked for death

[fresh reef]

judging by the voiceline sounds and the lack of coherency, that vet was roughly at the beginning of the bridge

they were very much in LOS

[plucky perch]

i actualy some times hold a charge for pox burtsers even post push. usualy dont need to click, but some times busters tumble and simply dont blow up so i pop em before they get up and insta dive the now inbetween do0dges team mates

[fresh reef]

could've also just been that psyker was trying to get a charge off the trash

[hidden crystal]

It'd be hilarious if it had some of the exploits that existed with Divination in the first versions of Dark Heresy.

One power was originally that, as long as it was within your maximum range, your target counted as at point blank range.

This could be used to activate the disgusting damage boost that shotguns got at point blank range in the rules in order to utterly annihilate almost anything.

[unreal wasp]

Psychic Communion + Quicken

[lunar hollow]

i can get that in more hectic situations, but this really only happens if the person not being targeted is both too far away for the burster to start the explosion sequence, and close enough to shove it

and that very obviously wasnt happening here

doesn't matter anyways. vet detted it before i could tell if the psyker wanted to kill me

[fresh reef]

I used to run this unironically

[lunar hollow]

he was using void before, so i would have to doubt it (since he also immediately locked the burster)

[unreal wasp]

I DO run it unironically

[fresh reef]

it's fun having a 30m stagger at the ready at all times

[lunar hollow]

i find communion is enough to keep stacks up

[fresh reef]

oh sick, gimme the whole build then

[lunar hollow]

i like KB more for the versatility it provides

[fresh reef]

I've been looking for more variety

[lunar hollow]

and it doesn't shit out charges

[plucky perch]

i actualy some tiems comunion quicken and the 6 charge max when i pub simply so i dont have to bother bb and can instead just brain dead lob spells down range with maximum damage

[fresh reef]

purg is very fun but I'll grow tired of it eventually

[gilded viper]

Man if only flamestorm was half as good as purge is

[plucky perch]

flamestorm isnt bad just hampered by freindly fire and the meta being anti special range, not anti horde... for obvious reasons

[gilded viper]

Also the zero damage it does to armor

[unreal wasp]

Using HP curios, secondary perks aren't what I want them to be yet

[plucky perch]

purge sufferes the same drawback

[unreal wasp]

@fresh reef

[plucky perch]

flak isnt QUITE the same blackrat armour in vt2

[worn heath]

hordes aren't filled with chaff quite nearly as much in vt2 in proportion to heavier stuff, that and THP favors melee more than toughness

the slaverats are basically free THP

[plucky perch]

though ive heard some premades like a flamestorm or drakegun for the hyper dense hordes that can be simply to much to melle through

usualy only taking a single flank i think

[fresh reef]

looks neat, will probably swap some things around though

[worn heath]

I've seen engi use drake, cause they can spec their ult to be ok with elites

[unreal wasp]

Am mostly a melee Psyker, guns are just to quickly kills elites/specials without worrying about Peril that may already be at 100% from horde clearing

[fresh reef]

fair, fair

WOW

[plucky perch]

force hammer when

[fresh reef]

First fucking purchase

[unreal wasp]

[fresh reef]

inb4 brick

thank you Hardon

[plucky perch]

we need OTHER force weapon archetypes, not just sword

[fresh reef]

force hands

just let me beat the shit out of the heretic

[plucky perch]

...psychic bitch slap?

[unreal wasp]

Emperor's Power Fist

[fresh reef]

precisely

[hearty dagger]

Force greatsword when

[plucky perch]

no no, psychci PIMP hand

[unreal wasp]

Force gauss rifle when

[plucky perch]

..void strike?

[unreal wasp]

But hitscan

And uses ammo

[plucky perch]

ammos lame, when you got MIND BULLETS

[spice veldt]

@worldly iron With a staff that has 71% or higher damage, you only need 2 warp charges to one-shot Poxwalkers
and for staffs with 58% or higher damage, you need 3 warp charges to one-shot Poxwalkers
So, I don't put too much weight into +Infested, and I prefer +Unarmoured for Dreg Bruisers (450hp), though unarmoured may be unnecessary if running either Warp Unleashed or Warp Battery

[fresh reef]

really hope one of the trees has a buff for gun psyker

[hidden crystal]

Eh, a low Finesse doesn't do the Illisi well anyway.

If you're using it well, you'll get a lot of weakspot hits, so Finesse is fairly important to its damage output.

[unreal wasp]

Ok, how about this, you make the gun sign with your hand, and just shoot psychic bullets

[plucky perch]

they vonfirmed that one of the trees has MULTIPLE gunker buffs

[fresh reef]

pog

[spice veldt]

toughness gen will prob be one of the buffs

[worldly iron]

alright

[lunar hollow]

nerd emoji

[spice veldt]

i'm going to stab you

[fresh reef]

just wish I could get blazing on this bad boy

[plucky perch]

honestly psykers could be solid anti shooters even with staffs if our staff primary wasnt such ASS

[lunar hollow]

in the fun way i hope

[spice veldt]

yeah we have an amazing toughness feat in the form of Warp Absorption, but we don't have any ranged weapon that amazingly synergizes with it

Trauma and Voidstrike are there, but their charging time/fire rate does leave some gaps

[fresh reef]

any Essence Harvest users in chat?

[unreal wasp]

Wonder if the void shard blitz is going to be a gunker blitz or the other one

Wonder if the void wall itself is going to be the gunker ult

Makes sense

[plucky perch]

honestly fix staff primary delay/hitreg/severtic issues and give it faster travel time and its a SUPER solid anti shooter since one to dome even on damnation wiill one shot them

[lunar hollow]

warp absorption with illisi is comparable to confirmed kill on vet

in terms of how much u can rollercoaster ur toughness bar w/o taking damage

[spice veldt]

i always thought it was stupid that they buffed warp absorption, but i suppose it was essentially a patchwork fix

[unreal wasp]

Why I like melee Psyker so much

[spice veldt]

should've nerfed it back the moment the illisi dropped, though

[lunar hollow]

evidently they havent cared about current feat balance all that much

[plucky perch]

i just HATE that staff primaries are useless against anyhting not moving ditectly torwards you or standing still because of all those issues

[spice veldt]

yeah, esp given what we know now

[lunar hollow]

i mean i always figured

partially cuz crab told me and i trust him always

[fresh reef]

I do wonder how the toughness feats will work

[lunar hollow]

like evidently they're working on console. very likely they're going to save the major changes for that console release for a big re-launch

which i imagine is part of the reason the skulls event was just so lackluster

most of their resources for DT were going towards this

[unreal wasp]

Wonder if the different skill trees will affect hp and toughness

We Shall SeeTM

Not sure if I want a psyker with more toughness and less HP though

100 Toughness and 234+ HP works for me

[plucky perch]

i doubt we will have less health then we current have in b"ANY tree

suspect the gunker tree might effect tougghness the suport/tank tree toughness and the final staff/melle dps tree being where were currrently at, super squishy

[unreal wasp]

OOO

Holy

Gunker but revolver shots are warp infused and ricochet between nearby enemies

[plucky perch]

*suport/tank tree health and the final

one of the trees isnt a DEDICATED gunker tree but does provide multiple gunker buffs theyve confirmed

[unreal wasp]

[plucky perch]

so some sorta warp fucker is gonna happen

[spice veldt]

i suppose that the shard blitz is going to synergize with warp absorption well

[lunar hollow]

the shard is allegedly more CC oriented i think

so i imagine the force smite will do better for that

u have seen the promo image of it right?

[unreal wasp]

Depends on if you can get warp absorption if you go down that branch

[spice veldt]

the article describes it as a crowd control weapon, but i think they might have used the slightly wrong descriptor for it

[lunar hollow]

you can mix and match

you're not locked into a single tree

[spice veldt]

and it should've been "crowd-killing" instead maybe

[lunar hollow]

u get all of them as part of the psyker archetype

[plucky perch]

i suspect like current the bse toughness selection feat will be early in the tree so grabbing it and maxing another tree should be easy

[lunar hollow]

i dunno. the smite thing seems to hit multiple enemies and allegedly deals damage

[unreal wasp]

I know you can go down multiple branches if you have the points but we don't necessarily know where things are or if you have enough points to go down the entirety of a second branch segment

[spice veldt]

my theory so far is that they're going to rework the surge staff and then make the new psyker blitz the old surge staff

[plucky perch]

they already said force lightning is a dedicated aoe killing blitz, oposed to bb's single target killing blitz

[spice veldt]

oh shit really?

[plucky perch]

suspect it will be balanced by channeling and low range

[spice veldt]

yeah my theory was that psyker's skill tree might look different than the other classes because of the blitz/ult synergy (ascendant blaze/kinetic barrage/quicken/etc.) that we have and the greater emphasis on the blitz, so things might just be drastically moved around

[plucky perch]

honestly i just hope our sith future is more then 40% affactive against things with out metal bolted to em

[spice veldt]

that'd be a shame otherwise

[plucky perch]

and yeah they also said pshycic shards is cc if i remember right but i BEt it will still be plenty killy against no heavy targets

*non heavy

[unreal wasp]

Would be surprised if the shards were mainly cc and the lightning was mainly daamage

[plucky perch]

the article this was revelead in said shards were part of the cc tree if i remember right

shards probabaly not dedicated cc

wat lemme double check

[spice veldt]

yeah they said "more crowd-controlling", but they also used the whistle-controlled arrow as the analogy

[plucky perch]

the force lightening is specified as a smite and the shards were confirmed to be cc, perhaps tey mean cc as in the shards auto hit hordes?>

but the smite is also shown to chain to a large number of targets as well

i REALY hope chain lightning isnt just an even more cc shite surge staff

[spice veldt]

maybe it has deterministic targeting and the highest damage inflicted for the 1st target hit

but severe dropoff and non-deterministic targetting for the chain lightning

[plucky perch]

i betcha the shards are gonna be a solid anti shooter option

[spice veldt]

yeah if they're better at killing the non-armoured enemies, i'm going to swap to it

since i have the trauma for elite packs anyways

i'll be less depressed if it's faster than the BB for killing trappers and their like

[plucky perch]

i betcha THATS the difrence

not enough outright damage to oneshot specials like bb

[spice veldt]

i really hope that it's not an aim assist weapon like BB

so that it's mechanically interesting to play around with

[plucky perch]

its a whistle arrow analogue so i bet5cha designate targets and it zoops out to hit em

[winged agate]

A tragedy in two parts
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/699002234549043280/1144501376408367115/image.png

[spice veldt]

yeah and then i'll be sad

[spice veldt]

i cri

my journey for the warp glock will continue

[hidden crystal]

I am still struggling to put together my ideal Illisi. And have barely even started thinking about a good Deimos.

My current one isn't terrible, but I'd really like to buff a lot of the stats, and I wouldn't complain if I could get a better deflector tier:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1133036349235146822/image.png

While that warp res is okay if I need to build up a load of peril for damage or to quell for quietitude, it does limit how many times I can use the charged attack to clear a horde.

And while it's not too bad with a gun, the high peril generation stings somewhat on the occasions I try to use a staff.

[unreal wasp]

P much what I was saying, not sure why they would add a blitz that just does what a staff does

[plucky perch]

free cc while taking a killy staff would be super solid

i just would hate that personaly

[unreal wasp]

Eh but like, personally surge is more cc than kill when I use it

Mostly just used it to get my no elite hits penance

[plucky perch]

sorry message eddited

[unreal wasp]

Ah

Even so

[plucky perch]

surge staff cc in your pocket but being able to take a cc staff would be solid

*killing staff

god my brains fried

[fast swan]

Lore wise, force nunchucks?

Nvm fuck the lore just add force nunchucks

[plucky perch]

i want that damned lore acurate force HAMMER

let us show them zealouts how to bonk

[hidden crystal]

I will only be interested if we can throw it at people. In which case I might well also take the warp lighting power, for reasons.

[plucky perch]

LOL

i also want a force rod, let us go from a ranged stick to a melle smack stick

[spice veldt]

melee ranged weapon

one of those magic sword spells from dark souls/elden ring

[plucky perch]

i hope this skill tree update gives us our danged two handed force sword already

i wanna test seianas 4th carrer

[zealous sierra]

Alright experts

How many stacks of warp of charge I need to kill an infested hoard

and dreg shooters

[lyric burrow]

wym

like

[zealous sierra]

Using the blaze F

[lyric burrow]

ah

assuming you have no blaze applied to them already i think 6 but im not an expert on AB

might need previous stacks already applied to instantly delete it

https://streamable.com/35ika1

can anyone figure out what killed me here

i tried watching it back slowly and maybe a bunch of enemies clipped me

but ive never seen it kill you that fast before he starts slamming

[spice veldt]

you entered the perils of the warp and the mutant grabbed you at the exact same moment it seems

hence your peril meter disappearing

and the spooky blue fart

[lyric burrow]

i see that makes sense

thats annoying i had ult up

[spice veldt]

it's one of the reasons why i would never willingly enter the perils of the warp

you never know what disabler will instantly annihilate me during those few milliseconds

or a sudden barrel explosion (cough cough josho cough cough)

[lyric burrow]

i didnt mean to i swear

probably thought i timed the cooldown right

[spice veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/blm-gif-25815938

[lyric burrow]

😭

[lunar hollow]

uncalled for. bad roomba.

[hidden crystal]

Until I finally tried deliberately going for the "cancel your perils" penance, I'd barely made any progress on it at all.

[spice veldt]

yeah i hopped into a sedition game to do that

since it was basically impossible for me to do that penance or insanely slow-going

[hidden crystal]

I eventually started waiting to trigger it if a monster turned up, rather than triggering kinetic barrage early, and well as overloading myself if there was time before getting in the Valk/elevator at mission end.

But it definitely required a large change from how I wanted to work.

If the point is to teach players that it can be used for that, 50 times is a little excessive, and implies that's the way you're meant to play it, which just feels like a bad strategy to me.

Took me so much longer than all the other psyker penances added in that update.

Also had locked out three bundle penances for me, as it was a prerequisite for the first, which locked out the second and third in turn.

So with the way it was set up, it was like they were expecting it to be one of the easiest of those.

But completing it's damaged my brain, as I now have to remind myself I don't have to play that way any more.

[spice veldt]

yeah it's especially counterintuitive if you're running a warp flurry staff

e.g., a kitted out player

or even with kinetic barrage, since you'll want to ult at 50% peril or below

[hidden crystal]

I'm not completely sure the devs are entirely clued up on how the players actually do things at times.

[worldly iron]

Anyone online

Need one more guy for Penance Run

[viral solstice]

to be fair

warp absorption is harder to trigger than cf

and doesnt give regen

one of the biggest things about cf is that it covers downtime

warp sorp doesnt unless ur usin purg

and theres a trash horde

plus current psyker toughness levels arent big enough for even idk 160 normie toughness to be stronk

whereas 300 toughness with roids is a bigg blonk

[spice veldt]

though only because there aren't really any ranged weapons that synergized with it properly (e.g., a continuously firing force staff)

and warp absorption did get buffed before the illisi was dropped

like with the current weapons that we have, it's fine that it got buffed (maybe), but I do expect it to get nerfed eventually if they do release a force staff of a particular type

i run kinetic shield so i get a little bit more value out of toughness

[viral solstice]

i think it is currently not that bad as an exclusive toughness feat when looked at vs other classes

i would not want it to exist like this

in a context where psykers get more base toughness

and have access to more toughness regen methods

[spice veldt]

yeah, esp once you can take >1 toughness regen feats

since the main downside is the total lack of additional regen if there aren't any adds

[harsh urchin]

i would trade away all these shitty feats

if i could become a toughness god

with illisi

[spice veldt]

i'll be quite happy to just be able to attain 150 base toughness

[viral solstice]

base toughness? no... based toughness

[near wyvern]

Saw a purge psyker on auric maelstrom with warp absorption. We had no veteran in the team. Called out to my friend I was playing with that the first ranged squad that spawns will obliterate that psyker.

I was not wrong.

They rage quit after we got them up and it happened again.

[cyan notch]

i gotta stop playing games where mages are all glass and no cannon

[lofty escarp]

Shop rotation of the week

[near wyvern]

If you wanna play purge with war absorption you gotta have a deflector force sword, battery and AB. Otherwise it ain't gonna happen and you are a liability for the team.

The easier option is to just run essence harvest or quietitude.

[near wyvern]

I can't make a decision because I don't have all the options available to me. Back at ya Fatshark.

[lofty escarp]

Yeah its just old stuff again

[viral solstice]

what on earth

or you could just not int

[thorn cedar]

ill just keep doin my kf kb purge and being a liability

i balance it out tho by bringing Psyker's best melee

the chain sword

[idle aurora]

This shit slaps with max bloodletter, muties just get insta deleted

[thorn cedar]

just need 25% Mutie, max charges, and high peril

also i swear kinetic flayer has some sort of intelligence to it

the number of times i have an entire horde on fire but it procs off the one elite in the far edge of the crowd cant be a coincidence anymore, can it?

[broken carbon]

i don’t think so

i’d guess it rolls a chance on each aoe attack and if it is a KF attack, it then picks the highest priority enemy in the crowd

but then again it could also just be confirmation bias, as you notice the brainbursts on elites more than on chaff

you could test it in the psykhanium

[thorn cedar]

yea i feel like its confirmation bias

but man, idk, lmao

it happens so often with the illisi even that i begin to wonder

[broken carbon]

i notice it most with the trauma staff

[magic hull]

this shit is mad dissapointing except for psyker

[spice veldt]

me accidentally killing Mankar and myself because kinetic flayer decided to fucking proc on a daemonhost OF ALL THE ENEMIES THAT MY TRAUMA HIT

(but it was funny)

i don't think i clipped the footage unfortunately

you know, maybe I should make a post on the forums in the small hopes that they prevent that behavior cuz I do like to blast my trauma near daemonhosts

eh, we'll see when october rolls around and whether flayer will even remain

[spice oar]

They changing the blessings around?

[spice veldt]

there are probably going to be some balance changes

but pertaining to flayer, we don't really know how psyker's skill tree will look

prob some changes here and there, and also because I'm not in the mood to write a forum post yet

[empty onyx]

Is Uncanny Strike dope? And what are decent Saber perks?

[plucky flax]

That's good mane. Change sprint to maniac.

You can then 1 shot headshot flamer.

[empty onyx]

And the other one?

Standard Flak?

Unyielding?

[plucky flax]

You have 80% damage and finesse but even then I think you still need + specialist for that breakpoint.

Uncanny will help with carapace and flak anyway, and you want duelling sword to be your melee specialists sniping tool.

If I was you I'd up that 8% to 10% specialist.

So you can kill muties even faster. With + maniac you should 3 shots headshot mutie.

[queen trout]

a 2 percent difference will almost never make a difference but theres no much else to change so why not

[unreal wasp]

Got the collar this time, it matches the penance torso metal and works for me until we get a helmet (that looks good) for Psyker

I have the version that has the gas mask but the gas mask doesn't work for what I'm doing

[plucky flax]

Maybe on a wounded trapper or mutie. But yeah you already have the 2 best blessings so it's just free damage after that.

[lunar hollow]

funniest fuckin thing ive seen in this game

flayer L

[hidden crystal]

I'm still trying to decide if I like the Resolver Harness:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1137802505368117248/image.png

It's not bad from the front, but it looks a little odd from the rear, which bothers me a bit as someone who generally plays with the third person mod.

[hidden crystal]

Speak of the Devil - a pretty good hit on the armoury exchange plug-in.

Hadron hasn't done it a massive favour, so unfortunately it looks like it's stuck with the T1 Between the Eyes, but... it might be okay? There's a smaller difference between Between the Eyes tiers than most blessings.

Ghost has been slapped over Headhunter, and now I need to work out whether I want to swap Sprint Efficiency for +Unarmoured, + Flak or maybe +Maniac.

[vast sky]

So, how do you guys do the cliffhanger penance? I've been at it all day. Multiple Vigil station attempts - no dice. That one mission with three bridges getting blown up? Same. So how the fuck?

[hidden crystal]

... Unarmoured. It already does a two shot body kill against most flak enemies, and Unarmoured should put it into a two shot body kill against most light enemies. (Admittedly the MG12 is a single shot with enough warp charges, but this seems the best the Vraks will manage).

Maniac damage is just going to be bad either way, so I think it'll need pairing with a Deimos.

That said, at Damnation level... the MG12 just seems so much better. It's slower firing, yes, but it can bodyshot most light enemies, and headshot many elites.

Geebus - looking at the stats, I hadn't realised how much the MG12's maniac damage ramps up at long range.

At 14 metres or over, with six warp charges and warp unleashed, it takes down dreg ragers in two bodyshots.

A single headshot doesn't seem enough at any distance, so I may stop bothering to do headshots on them and instead go for the quick bodyshots.

[slate sun]

I just heard they're going to buff Trauma, because apparently it is the weakest stick I presume

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmstA1rrOoo&ab_channel=RykenXIV

[hidden crystal]

Oh, a heap of stuff goes missing out of the patch notes. It's frustrating.

[spice veldt]

pretty sure the trauma always had the sharp falloff

and the same blast radius

they prob just had a trauma with a shit blast radius

since the circle is assuming that you have a 0% blast radius staff and doesn't scale with higher stats

[empty onyx]

Needs more spikes.

[slate sun]

and wires

[slate sun]

I did some quick tests and it feels completely the same as I remember too

[spice veldt]

it doesn't help that the visual circle is basically a lie for the most part

they better move trauma's unlock later down the line in the october patch

[hidden crystal]

I guess I'd ask what should the first staff be, if not the Trauma?

[zealous sierra]

Looking for that meme where it says I typed flesh as a password and it was too weak from hadron holding up a sign

I am in pain

[hidden crystal]

I think a better solution would be to rescale the stats to make the Trauma more forgiving at low ratings.

[lunar hollow]

i think void

its fairly straightforward

doesnt have the worst stat scaling known to man

[hidden crystal]

Void I guess is the logical choice.

[lunar hollow]

surge would be nice if it didn't look like it deals damage to hordes but doesnt

[spice veldt]

my personal ordering would be void -> purge or surge -> trauma

probably purge before surge so that they don't get tricked into surging hordes

[lunar hollow]

true

surge/trauma are also the most esoteric in usage

[zealous sierra]

Trauma

I like causing pain

[lunar hollow]

purg/void are more close to other classes mechanically

void is as close to a gun as staves get

and purg is flamethrower

[zealous sierra]

When the vet forget grenades

And there be crushers

[brazen warren]

purg is fun when the hordes get dense

not so much when the map is "oops! all shooters!"

[empty onyx]

Curious question: Does brain burst does less damage when you pre-charge it? Maybe it's just in my head, but sometimes it seems like a mutant takes more punishment after a pre-charged brain burst than if I channeled it on them the whole duration.

[whole oxide]

So what'd psyker-chat do with this? Shred 3-> 4 ? or weakspot damage to..... ?? Normally swapping weakspot would be a no-brainer, but DS weakspot/crit modifiers are quite strong, and given that its main use is putting down mutants, it's nice to have anything extra for that

[spice veldt]

same amount of damage (besides the peril affecting damage if you're running warp unleashed; LMB generates 20% peril for the LMB's channel and 30% for the RMB's channel)
might be getting psyched out by the fact that the mutant takes 3x melee damage and whatnot, and you're more inclined to melee them in certain scenarios and all that

[spice veldt]

my good enough stitch

[hidden crystal]

It's a rocketship!

[spice veldt]

i guess stuff like kinetic barrage/ascendant blaze might not make it

or they're going to revise how they work and/or split their functionality

the top major nodes are presumably our nades (since they're squarish), and each of those three have two nodes behind them

[fresh reef]

added the horse blinders to this clip. really adds to it

[hidden crystal]

Does Kinetic Barrage really have functionality to split?

Unless you mean splitting it from the ult entirely as a static boost to the blitz.

[meager plinth]

Can someone direct me to the pictures of the current premium shop rotation?

[hidden crystal]

But while it arguably has two effects (faster charging and less peril both for a short period after the ult), it feels like one package more than the other Lvl 30 talents do.

(Which instead boost the ult itself, and have a constant warp charge acquisition boost bolted on).

[lunar hollow]

[spice veldt]

true

i assume that different ults will have different cooldowns

i guess they could just tie it to ult activation in general

[meager plinth]

It might or might not, they might even get reworked entirely

[lunar hollow]

like vt2 i think

[hidden crystal]

I do now have to wonder whether all gunfire in the game is just always aimed at the head. I can't say I'd previously noticed that though, even playing primarily in 3rd person.

[plucky flax]

Change weakspot to specialist to 1 shot hs flamer

[hidden crystal]

I suppose it makes some sense if you're assuming that you're not going to draw different lines of fire for a player's first person view and the world view - pointing the shooting at the camera viewpoint makes it more obvious it's hitting you.

[gilded viper]

I’m wondering if they intend all new ults to vent peril.

I remember it being a pleasant surprise when I discovered force push quelled since in vt2 only unchained’s ult removed heat

[fast swan]

hoping we get a laser staff with update

need to blast some heretics with comet azure

[gilded viper]

From soft really never learned how to balance arcane magic did they

[harsh urchin]

it's a single player game

it's not meant to be balanced lol

[lyric burrow]

fromsoft didnt balance a lot of things lol

in elden ring some weapons are just insane + you can stack like 6 buffs

bosses get pretty invalidated

[slate sun]

guys? Is this any good? If so - should I change something?
Wanted to give surge a go, I saw someone doing quite well with it.
I didn't really give it a second thought after leveling to 30, maybe it was wrong 🙂

[fast swan]

man these cosmetics suck

can i look like a more loyal version of this?

[slate sun]

a more loyal version of this wouldn't be this at all

[plucky flax]

My psyker is already called Unsantioned Psyker.

[west galleon]

Anyone got some guesses on what the new skill system will allow us to do as psykers?

[nocturne nebula]

What's best for dump stat, quell or resistence on staves? https://i.imgur.com/pacS7Pl.png

[fast swan]

Psyker with less clothes and cool back bling but with an Aquila carved into head

Seems perfectly loyal and compliant to me

[vestal rose]

damage and quell for purg, unless anyone figured out a use for the damage stat

(since all its real damage comes from soulblaze stacks, which arent affected by the damage stat)

[lyric burrow]

Damage affects the damage of the fire cast hitting things

So like

The actual fire column coming from your hand hitting something

So its not super important

[fresh reef]

goofy, silly even

[fast swan]

nice drip

[hollow current]

magik carp hat

[blazing echo]

Certainly would have changed the tone of pokemon

[outer kiln]

cyber police

[jovial oak]

just rolled this staff from requisition, what would people recommend to change? I'm changing sprint for sure but my blessings seem good but could maybe be changed

[snow coral]

do we still not know what flash missions are?

[analog solstice]

We know just that they havent released yet

[hidden crystal]

Is it not obvious?

It's a mission where you're the saviour of the universe. King of the impossible.

[snow coral]

alright, I remember when the auric missions dropped there waas talk of the file names having 'flash' in them

[hidden crystal]

We're all leading up to a reveal that Ming the Merciless is the commander of the enemy forces.

We could do with Brian Blessed voicing another WH40K game.

[lunar gulch]

Surge staff wanted modifiers, perks, and blessings go.

[lyric burrow]

you want crit bonus/damage/warp resistance/charge rate and for perks flak/crit chance and for blessings warp nexus and warp flurry

[teal needle]

Can't wait for the big patch to hit so all my gear becomes irrelevant for the builds I wanna do and I gotta interface with the crafting system again

[fast swan]

dog mindset

ur gear aint being reset

[brazen warren]

I have a good purge, illisi, surge, and a trifecta of guns so any talent build wonkyness can be addressed

[fresh reef]

I sure do love autopistol users

level 146 vet blew up a burster in my face, and aggro'd a DH killing both himself and me

fucking excellent

[indigo portal]

It's great when they pop off and I can't keep up with them but it's not great when they Doom™️ mindset everything they see and just get murdered in a corner.

[thorn cedar]

neither of those scenarios are good imo lol

[unreal wasp]

One more Heresy penance for Psyker

Just need to do Shoot Fast

Don't like not having Quicken, but Kinetic Barrage will make it much easier

[fresh reef]

I've received some pretty terrible gifts, but like

fuck, Big E, did you really have to do me like this?

[unreal wasp]

Excessive force authorized.

[unreal wasp]

Have to wait for a Heresy Repair to spawn so I can use Witchshroud

At least I think it's a Repair

Seems like a lot of people are playing vet, have had multiple games where I'm the only non-Vet

[unreal wasp]

Please sir, but a little Heresy Repair

[jovial oak]

I was leveling my veteran and 8/10 missions I played we had 2 or 3 vets

today

[hidden crystal]

I don't think I get that many missions where everyone else is a vet, but maybe I don't really register them.

[boreal wave]

I've been out on medical for three and a half weeks and I ran an experiment. Nothing scientific or whatever, but I played an equal number of games on all of my characters and found that veterans alone were 58% of the people I got queued with. Psykers were next up at 14%.

It was absolutely not uncommon to have 2 vets on a team, and it wasn't totally unheard of to have 3. Vet just demolishes every other class in terms of population.

[whole oxide]

I'd be curious on what difficulty that was, my experience at the moment is that everything is pretty even, maybe a few less ogryns, but not as big a gap as around launch

[boreal wave]

It's one of the things I identified as not making the experiment scientific and I started to taper off

It was bouncing between malice, heresy, and damnation.

A lot more malices than the other two, though. I didn't start feeling comfortable with damnation as my main difficulty until recently.

[steel egret]

Its generally vets or underleveled psykers for me

[mossy dust]

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[spice veldt]

Elites are:

• Crushers/Bulwarks/Reapers
• Scab/Dreg Gunners
• Scab/Dreg Shotgunners
• Scab/Dreg Ragers
• Scab Maulers

so ragers are really the only ones you have to worry about

[mossy dust]

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[boreal wave]

Yeah it's not as hard as it sounds

[mossy dust]

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[grizzled jasper]

Just practice on staring at ogryn’s ass it’ll help a lot in the long run

[plucky flax]

This is why vet is popular. It's just easier to carry with it.

11 deaths 💀

[spice veldt]

so nice being a vet and possessing the power of GUN so that I don't have to be wildly out of position to kill specials

[boreal wave]

Vet just has a very well-rounded skillset. They have done a good job with post-release balance, but I'm pretty sure the guys in charge of class balance in development were Imperial Guard fanatics.

[plucky flax]

Yeah the ttk on specials with vet is unmatched.

Bolter/autopistol brrrr

[crude cape]

is the one one the left stats too bad to make worth over the right?

[plucky flax]

We psykers need to uber nuke magic shite.

[spice veldt]

blam blam blam

[plucky flax]

The low level ogryn was giving me advice when I was the only one left alive clutching too.

[spice veldt]

seems that the left one's advantage is just the burn stat

[crude cape]

basically ya, i could strip warp flurry

[spice veldt]

eh, tbh i'd stick with the right one

but i'm also a quell speed addict

[crude cape]

what about my 2nd perk (on either tbh). Should i be using flak, since i have t4 warp nexus

instead of crit?

[lyric burrow]

isnt 74 burn needed

to get max burn stacks or w/e the breakpoint is

[spice veldt]

76 burn

very hard life in breakpointland

[crude cape]

is it -that- important?

might try the left to see if i notice bc ive been using the right for months

[boreal wave]

It's a lot better than it used to be. Vet is still the main character but it's more Red Ranger than Green/White ranger like it was right after release.

[spice veldt]

probably only matters on ogryns/bosses or maulers

[crude cape]

what about the flak vs crit chance perk. Is 5% crit unnecessary with tier 4 warp nexus?

[spice veldt]

soulblaze damage per stacks table

so you're missing out on 12.04 damage from 14 stacks to 15

which is like eh whatever

[crude cape]

ya

is that damage per tick?

[spice veldt]

ye

[crude cape]

a ya tick based i see

[plucky flax]

Tbh I'll be playing the squad leader subclass in october.

I always prefer more melee oriented type.

Merc kruber my beloved.

[spice veldt]

same

i tend to still have near-equal melee damage as ranged even on vet

[lyric burrow]

yeah i will always take melee

i like that maelstrom mission where its all melee

[spice veldt]

i don't trust my teammates to be ammo-conservative, so i prefer not to use my gun if possible

[lyric burrow]

no ammo can be sketchy with no vet but its still fun

[plucky flax]

No ammo pick up but if you use a helbore mkl2 on vet though it's still op.

That gun is too ammo efficient.

[spice veldt]

even a bolter does just fine if you save it for the elites

[lyric burrow]

yeah some guns would just maintain infinite ammo

[spice veldt]

i had a bolter vet as a teammate for one of the no ammos and they could comfortably stay at white ammo

[lyric burrow]

so long as you melee everything that isnt an elite

one of the ones i did gave us lots of snipers too

so plenty of ammo for vets

[spice veldt]

i'm prob going to avoid the sniper gauntlet maelstroms because sniper waves slow the game down in a way that isn't interesting to me

i hopped into one and boy did it take a longer time than usual

[plucky flax]

Extra monsters, muties train, dogs train + nurgle blessing.

Most clusterfuck modifiers.

[lyric burrow]

honestly i find even regular shooters can slow the game down

[spice veldt]

excise vault is probably one of the most annoying maps for ranged patrols

[lyric burrow]

i find rooms of spread out shooters just very annoying generally unless im vet

[spice veldt]

because there are a bunch of insanely open ass rooms

ranged enemies aren't too annoying to me on most maps since i stack 3 tough + kinetic shield

[lyric burrow]

like i dont need to sprint through the map but i dont wanna pick out shooters for 10 minutes with BB or M1

one of the reasons i like void is it actually deals with those situations

trauma can too depending on distance

[spice veldt]

melee usually works well enough, and warp absorption is a lot better than I expected against ranged patrols

[lyric burrow]

can you melee if they are spread out

[spice veldt]

though if I take a bad initial engagement, I'll have to slowly sit in cover

it depends

[plucky flax]

I find trauma is really effective against shooters.

[lyric burrow]

i feel like youd just get blasted by everyone else

[plucky flax]

My trauma anyway cos mine is op.

[spice veldt]

the melee lock distance on them is pretty good, and you can always spam dodges for some i-frames

and dodge-slides as well

melee is safer than it seems, but there's that probablistic element

and there's the off chance that scab shooters will pile dump on you the moment your i-frames are up

or a shotgunner shoots a blast at the right moment, killing your momentum and preventing your dodge

causing you to get owned and then cry and be very sad

[lyric burrow]

yeah i find usually i have issues when its spread out shooters but maybe im bad or have bad luck

in melee specifically

melee works fine otherwise

[spice veldt]

taking good initial engagements is really important, mostly for closing the gap before ranged enemies are aggroed

trauma is really nice for supporting your melee

[plucky flax]

Nah bruh I'll be bb a lone shooter from 300m away.

Let them spread.

[lyric burrow]

yeah i def dont always do that esp if im not ahead of the group somewhat

[spice veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/297184198865846272/1140324909579501649/image.png

[lyric burrow]

yeah one of my fav things about trauma is catching unaggroed enemies before they spread

defuses potential bad situations really fast

esp with high blast radius

cause then you can just get the whole group

[spice veldt]

mwah https://streamable.com/zefelv

i'm glad that ranged patrols tend to be the perfect size for the trauma

[lyric burrow]

yeah its always that group of 6 or so

whenever i go revo i miss that

melee can do it just as well in some spots

cause one special heavy on illisi just murders 6 shooters anyway

but trauma can almost always deal with it

[spice veldt]

yeah if nothing else, the outer area of the trauma will still stagger them for a split-second

and that split-second can let you get a dodge/slide off and close the distance

[lyric burrow]

yeah trauma is my fav staff for a reason

[spice veldt]

it really is such a comfort pick for me

[lyric burrow]

esp when i dont need to worry about my teammates

and knocking stuff around

[spice veldt]

always fun when roaming alone for that reason

[lyric burrow]

if i knock over enemies i plan on dealing with solo anyway doesnt really matter

yeah trauma is my go to for harder missions like maelstrom

it just does so much

[plucky flax]

Bruh that peril % being offset is killing me.

I thought my UI was bad but this is

[spice veldt]

WHAT DO YOU EAN

IT LOOKS FINE

[lyric burrow]

its not centered

[spice veldt]

yeah what about it huh

[lyric burrow]

to the screen or your stam

[spice veldt]

it fits flush with the charge indicator

[lyric burrow]

wdym what about it

its off center

what else would be the issue

[spice veldt]

i must defend my honor

[lyric burrow]

why not just put it under the dot on the middle of the screen

what is the advantage to putting it between the charge indicator and the reticle

also im surprised you dont use true peril

[spice veldt]

the corner of the rightmost number is somewhat flush with the bottom of the charge indicator

it's cuz i have to stare at the sky with the trauma

and the number can block my view

[lyric burrow]

im not arguing its not flush

however in being flush it lines up with literally nothing else

[spice veldt]

i originally had most of my UI elements like my ult indicator on the right

[lyric burrow]

imagine a door frame where everything is flush but the left side board is a 2x8 instead of 2x4

[spice veldt]

so it's a mix of it looking good and past reasons

[lyric burrow]

cause thats your ui

[spice veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/drink-tears-crabby-crab-pikaole-mmm-tasty-gif-21974378

[lyric burrow]

i havent actually used the custom UI mod

i dont have a ton of issue with the default one

[spice veldt]

i have a really hard time reading or processing what i'm seeing if I move my eyes around

like it takes a rather noticeable amount of milliseconds before i can process stuff

so i prefer to have the important information slapped onto the center

[lyric burrow]

does it not get in your way

[spice veldt]

and the rest is really just making the UI a bit smaller and slim

sometimes

but it's not that bad (for the most part)

[primal radish]

@spice veldt whats the mod for that peril indicator? is it just crosshair hud? cause i dont see that

[spice veldt]

yeah that's crosshairHUD

should be somewhere down far below

[primal radish]

oh and u just changed the colors

[spice veldt]

ye

[primal radish]

but mine doesnt show the % sign

[spice veldt]

oh i edited the lua file for it to do that

[lyric burrow]

is it outdated or something

[spice veldt]

since i didn't like the original symbol

[lyric burrow]

oh nvm

[primal radish]

howa bout getting rid of the original peril indicator

[lyric burrow]

wait what would it be instead of a %

[spice veldt]

you could move it offscreen with CustomHUD or make it invisible with HUDTweaker

[spice veldt]

I think it was originally the skull symbol

[lyric burrow]

oh i see what you mean

that would make sense since thats default

[primal radish]

customhud doesnt let me move peril indicator for some reason

[spice veldt]

that's unusual

might be moving the wrong thing

there's Overheat and then there's Overcharge

one is for the plasmagun heat indicator, and the other is for psyker's peril

I forget which one

[primal radish]

nvm i see it

[spice veldt]

i also made some changes so that the color changes at certain thresholds, since i don't like crosshairhud's defaults https://streamable.com/5y7cji

i basically make it yellow at 97%-99% to indicate that I can't safely BB and whatnot

is very nice

for when i suddenly can't read numbers

[primal radish]

how would you do that, is it editing the lua again

[spice veldt]

esp when i'm brainbursting and i'm like "oh shit did i quell before brainbursting or not"

ye, i basically replaced the logic for the color changes with an if-else block

just copy n pasting it here, this is what it is

    local ar = 237
    local ag = 129
    local ab = 237
    local shadow = {200, 0, 0, 0}
    if     current_percentage == 1.00  then
      text_color = {255, 255, 45, 45}
    elseif current_percentage >= 0.97  then
      text_color = {255, 253, 182, 43}
    elseif current_percentage >= 0.75  then
      text_color = {255, ar, ag, ab}
    elseif current_percentage >= 0.5 then
      local cp_4 = (current_percentage - 0.5) * 4
      text_color = {255, 135 + ((ar - 135) * cp_4), 206 + ((ag - 206) * cp_4), 250 + ((ab - 250) * cp_4)}
    elseif current_percentage > 0 then
      text_color = {255, 135, 206, 250}
    else
      text_color = {0, 135, 206, 250}
      shadow = {0, 0, 0, 0}
    end
    
    style.value_text.text_color = text_color
    style.symbol_text.text_color = text_color

[primal radish]

oh ok, where do i paste that and do i need to remove anything

i see 3 lua files

[spice veldt]

in the mods folder, go to crosshair_hud\scripts\mods\crosshair_hud\hud_element_crosshair_hud, and peril.lua will be the file you'll need to edit
I forgot what the original stuff for it looked like

i also forgot the other things I changed

because i may or may not have done some other stuff

and you might need to use HUDTweaker to make some other things look right

since i am operating on a VERY elementary knowledge of programming

[primal radish]

ive never opened an lua file is it on notepad?:

ok i got it

[spice veldt]

notepad works, though it won't look pretty or clear

[primal radish]

yea whats the better app

[spice veldt]

i personally use Visual Studio Code since that has highlights and whatnot for programming and all that

but if you're not going to program much, then it might not be worth the effort to install it

[primal radish]

i have no idea what im doing programming wise but im tech savvy enough to know where to paste lol

but im just trying to find where to paste that code

[spice veldt]

there'll be a block of code that begins with
if specialization_warp_charge_template == ArchetypeWarpChargeTemplates.psyker then

[primal radish]

ok im tehre

[spice veldt]

replace that if-block with

if specialization_warp_charge_template == ArchetypeWarpChargeTemplates.psyker then
    local warp_charge_component = unit_data_extension and unit_data_extension:read_component("warp_charge")
    local current_percentage = warp_charge_component and warp_charge_component.current_percentage or 0
    content.symbol_text = "%" --.. string.rep("-", math.floor(current_percentage * 50))
    content.value_text = string.format("%.0f", current_percentage * 100)
    content.visible = true
    local ar = 237
    local ag = 129
    local ab = 237
    local shadow = {200, 0, 0, 0}
    if     current_percentage == 1.00  then
      text_color = {255, 255, 45, 45}
    elseif current_percentage >= 0.97  then
      text_color = {255, 253, 182, 43}
    elseif current_percentage >= 0.75  then
      text_color = {255, ar, ag, ab}
    elseif current_percentage >= 0.5 then
      local cp_4 = (current_percentage - 0.5) * 4
      text_color = {255, 135 + ((ar - 135) * cp_4), 206 + ((ag - 206) * cp_4), 250 + ((ab - 250) * cp_4)}
    elseif current_percentage > 0 then
      text_color = {255, 135, 206, 250}
    else
      text_color = {0, 135, 206, 250}
      shadow = {0, 0, 0, 0}
    end
    
    style.value_text.text_color = text_color
    style.symbol_text.text_color = text_color
    style.value_text_shadow.text_color = shadow
    return
  end

and assuming that I didn't add any of my own variables in from outside of the block, it should work?

make sure not to accidentally delete that end at the very bottom

[primal radish]

cool testing now

hm didnt work

[spice veldt]

fuck

[primal radish]

what if u sent me ur lua file? would that work

[spice veldt]

true

[primal radish]

wait i dont think the lua saved lol trying again

yesss worked thanks

actually ima just take the whole file so i get the % sign too lol

[spice veldt]

sweet

the line with the % sign is this one
content.symbol_text = "%"
if you plan on changing it or whatnot

the if-block above that begins with if weapon_template and weapon_template.uses_overheat then is for the plasmagun heat, if you feel like monkeying around with that in the future

[primal radish]

ok thanks

[plucky flax]

[spice veldt]

🙂

[languid tusk]

psyker intensifies

[mossy dust]

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[granite mauve]

he has the skyrim hair and he's not happy about it

[grizzled jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/poke-eyes-chickenbro-cry-out-painful-ouch-gif-17559036

The ogryn

[unreal wasp]

Mainly registered it because before my post I had a HI Heresy Repair with 3 vets and they could NOT deal with the shooters. I was having to kill all of the shooters with my Headhunter (spoiler, we ended up losing because a mute poxburster jumped on me, downing me, and a hound and a trapper downed the two other people that were up)

Which is wild because I was mostly clearing the hordes as well; they were using chainaxes and one had a chainsword (which is way less undesirable for horde clear than chainaxe but still; I used a chainsword myself when I played Vet and would go into hordes)

Me just want this outfit but with Witchshroud

Only thing I dislike about Vraks VII is the sway after two shots

Revolver had no sway unless I was being suppressed by a gunner

[hidden crystal]

"No vet" or "vet that can't/won't deal with shooters" is one of the big reasons I bring the MG12 along as a psyker, but three vets that are useless at it is definitely drawing a short straw on team composition.

[unreal wasp]

How is the sway on the MG12? If it doesn't sway at all or nearly as bad after a couple of shots I'd probably take it over Vraks7

I mainly just don't like how sway works in this one, if it moved my entire screen instead of moving just my weapon it'd be a lot easier to handle

[spice veldt]

i imagine screen sway comes with the problem of potential motion sickness, and i think just the weapon sway looks pretty good

the other problem is that the reticle might not line up with where the bullet actually goes, and it can be like pretty intense

hands shaking like a motherfucker

if the screen sway was this intense, i think it'd be pretty bad as well

[unreal wasp]

Eh, I swing my camera around like a bulldog when fighting in melee (mostly to increase radius of swings) and I don't get motion sick. Made one of my friends REALLY motion sick when he was incapped and was watching me horde clear as Ogryn