psyker-class

[fresh reef]

apologies Ash, dk why I had you reply marked lel

[hidden crystal]

Kinetic Barrage is the safe "I don't want to burn all my charges" option, but the other two do come with improved recovery of warp charges.

[charred hamlet]

smartest psyker moment

[charred hamlet]

yeah im heavily debating the first choice (reduced cooldown) just for the 2 in 1 warp charge mainly

honestly flurry and nexus is what i would go for id just sawp the perks for like maniac and flak/carapace

[fresh reef]

Gonna try Maniac and Unyielding, see how that goes

Need to just play a random Heresy match though, since the Plasteel bottleneck is real (thanks FatShart)

[unreal wasp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/375448445961502721/1143586621447471164/image.png

[autumn smelt]

im gonna say i dont see much of a use to unyielding on a purgatus, the only thing that you might even be hitting with your flames that is unyielding is bulwarks which youd only be hitting about half the time due to the shields anyway, because reapers will be further out of your range 99% of the time, and the only remaining unyielding type are monstrosities, which you would likely end up brain bursting or meleeing anyway, depending if their attention is on you or not, youd be too immobile when using the staff to actually get enough soulblaze stacks on it to be worth the time and effort without it getting out of your range and then you having to run over to catch back up (this being made extremely worse against chaos spawn), or not enough defensive capabilities if theyre targeting you

[autumn smelt]

id just say 25% against flak, not just as a braindead meta pick, but because the purgatus already has a decently impressive damage profile against flak, and youd be using the purgatus against most enemies you would melee otherwise (which a decent amount have flak armor), and you can take out those flak armored elites that much faster like flak ragers, maulers, and shotgunners, which would already be closer to you than say a reaper youd be getting that unyielding bonus from

hi can you tell im a purgatus main

[finite marten]

Lol

[fresh reef]

will probably swap to Flak at some point, but I both have a vendetta against and a strategy for specifically murking chaos spawn

[autumn smelt]

idk man, pokey deimos put in work against bosses

plus purg is the only staff i pair it with so

[fresh reef]

observe (in about 2-5 business days while I compress this clip)

soon

[analog solstice]

Im getting flashbacks to yesterdays purgatus meltdown

[fresh reef]

fun e pun

what happened tho, I can't be bothered to scroll up that far

[analog solstice]

People got a bit top enthusiastic about what perks and blessings are best on purgatus, bunch of guys started quarreling

[fresh reef]

perks, I understand

maybe not a full blown argument but yeah

but fucking blessings? doesn't it only have 3?

[analog solstice]

From what ive heard its a toss up between unyielding, crit chance and flak

Yes blessings are easy to deal with, or should be at least

[fresh reef]

you got Nexus, Flurry, and Barrage

Barrage is objectively useless for purg, Nexus is mandatory, and Flurry is aight but really the only other available option because who the fuck runs Channeling or Run n Gun?

[analog solstice]

Some were saying focused channeling was really good but im not getting into that again

[fresh reef]

without scrolling back up, I will say that there is a use case for channeling

and that's if your toughness is broken and you're trying to suppress shooters

that's genuinely all I can think of

[analog solstice]

But it doesnt ever really happen in game though, it is super rare that it happens and if it does u can immediately start spraying again

[fresh reef]

if my toughness breaks against shooters while my goal is suppressing them, it's because I am overextended and now surrounded by the gits

issue resolvement strategy: skill solution

[shadow wigeon]

Unyielding on purgatus is very strong against bosses. Huge damage on monstrous mael mode. You should be flaming and BBing them for max damage, but just flaming a lone is big numbers.

[hidden crystal]

I have to say that I love Quietitude for being toughness recovery that you can proc from full cover, even if your team has karked off elsewhere.

[fresh reef]

Depends on playstyle, I think

personally I cannot stand using quietude no matter how good it is

the vibes are just not there

and then there's Essence Harvest crying in the corner

[autumn smelt]

imo that accounts for a perfect scenario, and nowhere in this game do you ever get a perfect scenario

in monster maels, i would personally just kinetic barrage cuz that can kill them before you reach 100% peril from 0

[shadow wigeon]

I use flame on every boss, it's not rare it's every time, short of a bolter v nurgle, or a hammer zealot on a regular boss.

[shadow wigeon]

Flaming mini bosses, that's not super worth it, but they aren't really a big deal.

The boss is mostly around adds anyway, so BBing is often not a great strategic choice.

[fresh reef]

you can also just run flayer so you can both flame and bb them at the same time

[fresh reef]

@autumn smelt soloing a chaos spawn with just 90% purg

optimal testing environment aside, this is very easily reproducible in an actual mission

also, have a banger screenshot

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah Purg is destructive to bosses, and it very safe damage to apply, and you can kill other things while you do it.

[fresh reef]

also mk5 dueling sword dodges are absolutely nutty

[charred hamlet]

whats the difference between the illisi and the obscurus force swords?

[charred hamlet]

mk5 supremacy 💪

[fresh reef]

illisi is good and obscurus is bad

[charred hamlet]

elaborate

oh yeah theres also deimos

[fresh reef]

Illisi has incredible cleave and wide sweeping attack patterns enabling it to murk trash mobs effortlessly, especially so when combined with Slaughterer and its special

Obscurus has mostly 30ish degree angle sweeps, with no real redeeming qualities

Deimos is nigh identical to Obscurus except its moveset has a lot more stabs, and iirc is capable of oneshotting a mutant with H2

[charred hamlet]

damn

so its mainly illisi for cc and deimos for single target?

hmmmm

i might do deimos i think that one looks pretty cool

[shadow wigeon]

Deimos with +maniac makes short work of muties (can be setup for one shots). L1 and H2 are strong single target attacks.

[broken carbon]

chaos spawn will be switching targets in a team though

and bb will deal more damage

especially with cerebral lacerations, kinetic barrage, and warp battery

[vernal rock]

can someone tell me why I would ever pick the lighting staff over the anyther one?

[cold geode]

you wanna turn your brain off and not have to aim?

[vernal rock]

yeah but it doesnt even do decent damage

[cold geode]

its a stun stick, not a dps stick

[strong gulch]

Just had a sheildgryn drop repeatedly. While being revived, they'd leave the game. Happened twice. 🙃

Yes, they did just stand there with the shield.

[broken carbon]

would debate turning off your brain, target priority becomes the biggest thing with a lightning staff

and you need to learn it

[strong gulch]

⬆️ this tbh

[cold geode]

target priority and aiming are two different things.

[broken carbon]

yes but you can’t turn off your brain

otherwise you’ll end up like 90% of pub surge psykers

and lightning a horde and be useless

[cold geode]

i dont turn off the part of my brain that does target priority, i turn off the part of my brain that is used to try and get head shots and that is used to find and pick off specific individual targets. its actually easier for me to do target priolrtization and to see the forest from the tress when using surge as I have extra processing power freed up from the lack of specific target aiming.

[broken carbon]

cool

[hidden crystal]

I decided that, as a gunpsyker main, it was inappropriate for a staff to be my highest rated ranged weapon, and I welded together the pieces of the autopistols I had:

The last time I actually used an autopistol though was a long time ago.

[gray zenith]

i dont understand the appeal of gunpsyker

[hidden crystal]

The mistake is to assume that gunpsyker is trying to compete with veterans. (Although, with the semi-static damage bonus from warp charges, warp battery and warp unleashed, they can do a lot of damage).

The thing is that you get a different package of traits to go with with the gun to what you'd get as vet or zealot.

[gray zenith]

idk, im a magic man i want a cool staff

when i started the game i thought that you couldnt get staffs and was heavily disappointed

[hidden crystal]

For me, it's that I find Purge and Surge mean you rely on the rest of the team a lot to deal with shooters, Trauma is like trying to call in artillery fire from three sectors away, and Voidstrike struggles with quite a few targets.

Also, Trauma is awful when you first get hold of it.

For the most part, I run with an MG12. Much of my combat is melee, but the MG12 is pretty good at dealing with shooters (and can be applied with blessings that give a lot of ranged resilience).

[gray zenith]

i seem to die in melee rather quickly

whats the best way to go about getting malleus monostronum done

[hidden crystal]

Psykers can be absolute melee monsters.

They might (nominally) be the frailest class, they have to make up for it somewhere.

[hidden crystal]

Hope you can get a private match together quickly when a Monstrous Specialists Heresy Maelstrom comes up.

Alternatively, find a friendly shield ogryn and have them provoke a daemonhost.

[north pike]

Anything worthwhile on this to buy it from melk ?

[wicked cape]

Actually I've been wondering if exorcist is even that helpful of a perk for psyker melee weapons to begin with, I don't find myself going critical often

And I usually stay around 70% peril anyways for extra damage

Always felt counter productive to have something that removed peril for me

With the exception being for the voidstrike staff

[broken carbon]

nope, that’s ass

unless you wanna do a really bad flame illisi build

[north pike]

Thankey!

[restive slate]

That's what everyone says at first

6 stacks of Warp Charge and a full clip can do wonders

[unreal wasp]

Me wondering though

As a melee/revolver psyker, should I ACTUALLY be taking Warp Battery instead of Kinetic Flayer?

Am also using Quicken but don't know. That extra 8% damage using Warp Battery is cool and all, but what if I drop the 8%, can still get up to 41% overall damage boost, and just have a chance to randomly blow up something?

Is 8% more damage max worth not randomly blowing people up

Because also assumedly, the random brain burst ALSO gives warp charges

So it'd be easier to keep warp charges maxed without using brain burst myself

[wicked cape]

is this how that works? I've been wondering this for a while

[unreal wasp]

I don't know, that's why I said assumedly

[wicked cape]

mbad

[unreal wasp]

If it's an ACTUAL brain burst it should

[restive slate]

It does

I personally like having 6 warp charges especially on Damnation

[unreal wasp]

I like the idea of shooting a mutant with a psy-infused bullet and oneshotting it

Gives more meaning to me using this, the Emprah has blessed my shot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By_T39ENlkg

[restive slate]

It really depends what you prefer. Kinetic Flayer is fun but I rather have the consistent damage buff

What we really need is Psyker specific guns that can use force powers like the Laspistol

[unreal wasp]

I mostly only use brain burst on bosses, ogryn, and enemies I don't think I'll be able to hit a headshot on so it'd make MY damage buff more consistent

[restive slate]

Give Psyker a ranged weapon where they can charge a shot with psychic power boosting it's damage and pen

[unreal wasp]

Don't usually keep myself at a range where I can brain burst without making myself vulnerable to being hit

Usually always sprinting at hordes with Illisi

Or sprinting at shooters and blocking their shots with Illisi when needed

Kills with the Illisi alt-attack count as warp kills for the toughness regen

Random brain bursts = more toughness regen when I'm waiting for Peril to drop from 100% to 98% so I can use my alt attack again

[shadow wigeon]

It does if it kills the target

It's why Flayer can feel unpredictable in terms of WC's sometimes.

[restive slate]

Yea I prefer consistency especially in a game mode like Shock Troop

[viral solstice]

kinetic flayer is funny

which is important

[unreal wasp]

Kinetic flayer randomly killing one of the ragers in the horde I'm warp slashing through

Happened like four to six times in the mission I just did

Is nice

Ragers icky, even though they're not that bad to deal with

If they don't get randomly brain bursted I just need to warp slash them 2 to 3 times

Or if there's NOT a horde, more like swap to revolver dodge backwards for a split second and blast them

In summary, I love PsyKnight

[viral solstice]

[unreal wasp]

For de Emprah.

[gilded viper]

These class chats are gonna be hella weird when 2.0 releases

[unreal wasp]

Not sure how I feel about actually using these pants with the top but it's nice that the metal matches (at least in that lighting it seems like it does)

[spice veldt]

the amount of arguments about what is better will increase by 2000%

(I will participate in said arguments myself)

[unreal wasp]

Personally do not care what is better, just care about what I find fun

[lunar hollow]

release psyker chat had a lot of vitriolic arguments

i look forward to it once again

[unreal wasp]

As long as I'm not actually doing terribly, which, in itself, would decrease fun

[gilded viper]

I wanna gaslight gun psykers and say they still got nothing on staff psykers

I kinda hope force wall doesn’t go the way of SoTT ivy wall and basically end up being super troll over other options

[unreal wasp]

Haven't actually thought about how the force wall works

If it doesn't move I don't believe I will be using it

[gilded viper]

I’m assuming close to 1to1 with sott non bloodthicket wall, but maybe see-through

Can’t shoot through, maybe walk through?

[unreal wasp]

I just assumed it would stay either in front of the psyker or around the psyker (based on variation), but if it doesn't move, I won't use it

[gilded viper]

Maybe they’ll be like a baby riot force shield wall thingy. Or they’ll make Deflector built into force sword like it should

The real question is who’ll end up being the better arsonist. Zealot or Psyker

[gilded viper]

Less arguments and everybody constantly saying it sucks with no redeeming qualities. What an obnoxious 3-4 months

[fresh reef]

this was hell

there were at least 6 full sized beasts

[unreal wasp]

If I were to make another Psyker, would I need to re-obtain my weapons and curios? Made my Psyker a little too short because I thought I was going to be a funny wizard

[fresh reef]

yes, unfortunately

personally part of the 5'6" psyker gang

life's good

my live reaction to the bolter vet in chat spamming L post-wipe when she died first

[viral solstice]

i already know what is good

and moreover

i will make sure everything else is bad

in advance

[cyan notch]

https://tenor.com/view/take-the-l-gif-20872895

[fresh reef]

finally got around to buying this hideous thing

I hate to say it but it's growing on me

[near wyvern]

It's infuriating that there is no red hood with goggles, cause I have the achievement black set for void, white'ish set for Gandalf the Grey, Blue set for surge, but can't complete the red set for purge...

[regal jasper]

Beautiful psyker i must say

My beloved is inclined to agree!

[acoustic osprey]

i was close

[brazen warren]

turned the height slider to the lowest setting on my psyker because being able to hide 100% behind any cover is super useful when you can only get away with BB spam

[potent echo]

Force wall can be super clutch when reviving, might be a very good complement to surge staff as well if you can shock through it 👀

[spice veldt]

reviving teammates under ranged fire with it

back to the old days

[rugged frost]

y/n/m?

[hollow current]

not a bad sword but i wouldn't buy it if that's what you're asking

[potent echo]

If you don't have a MkV yet, it's not bad to try. Will be nice paired with a surge staff since that it really struggles with maniacs and infested

[near wyvern]

"psyker with revolver, most useless I have ever seen"

- A Surge staff psyker that doesn't know what is melee

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-lol-rofl-laughing-ketawa-gif-10164703

[feral inlet]

oh that guy, dont give too much attention to him. i guess he switched from knife lawbringer zealot to surge only psyker

[rugged frost]

I have a "just buy it to own it" green MkV, is it worth switching out for it?

[potent echo]

If you have a pile of currency sure, it's not bad but not amazing either because no tier4 blessings

[rugged frost]

kk thx

[near wyvern]

just puts on some perspective, if I had most horde kills, most melee elite kills, most ranged elite kills, most disabler kills and most special kills... with top 2 in total damage and I am still useless... what does that make of him?

[potent echo]

Rampage is the budget slaughterer that duelling swords have access to

[rugged frost]

seems like a solid choice, considering they hit crowds often but not hard

[near wyvern]

to activate rampage you have to push attack every now and then tho

the regular attacks don't cleave enough unless they crit

[rugged frost]

ah

what is rending? is it cleave?

or is it like brittle

[potent echo]

A buff that gives you armor pen

[viral solstice]

its ok theyre going to make the duelling sword let u duel ppl soon

the special will be a glove slap

any enemy u slap has to fight u to the death

en garde

[ornate hamlet]

best blessings for illisi force sword? i have lvl 4 slaughter and lvl 4 bloodthirsty 👀

[viral solstice]

best blessing: slaughterer

second blessing: ltierally whatever u want

nobody can stop u from doing anything

[ornate hamlet]

oh bet

it was my first sword craft i cant believe it

[viral solstice]

some choices are wrong (deflector) but ppl will say its good because they are being paid off by the deflector lobby, who sell deflector to psykers

u cant trust it... any of it

just put 2 slaughterers on

[potent echo]

Save your reroll slots for when they eventually nerf slaughterer (never)

[spice veldt]

i prefer the generality of unstable power, but bloodthirsty is also nice

[viral solstice]

gonna make fatshark add unstabler power

and unstablest power

its comin

[near wyvern]

some attacks do less than the weapon base damage against tougher armour, rending increases your attack damage against those targets, at 100% rending you will be dealing the exact same as weapon base damage

there is a funny bug tho, rending (and brittleness) stack additively and you can actually get over 100% damage but only against targets that you deal less than 100% damage to begin with

[viral solstice]

unstabler power will be a gun blessing: 50% power at 100% peril, 0% at 50%, and -50% power at 0% peril

the most unstabler

rending as a system is gettin revamped tho god knows how it will end up

[ornate hamlet]

You'll do less damage again

Back to the old style

[potent echo]

They need an effect that shows the enemy getting more naked so we know brittleness is active

[viral solstice]

more naked u say

actually unironically

[ornate hamlet]

Everyone running brittleness now

[viral solstice]

one of the most important things they should do is this

if ur hitting a target and rending/brittleness is adding a significant quantity of damage

u hear a noise

[potent echo]

Except when brittleness wears off they just put their clothes back on

[viral solstice]

so u can actually know when ur affecting a target with damage that usually wouldn't be affected by it

because right now using rending shockwave is just comedy because its not like anybody with eeg an iag is going to shoot a crusher

even if u rend him

because the feedback for shooting him is the same if hes rended or not

[ornate hamlet]

You say that

[rugged frost]

big loud obnoxious airhorn

[ornate hamlet]

But

[viral solstice]

it should make a crunchy noise

C R O N CH

[ornate hamlet]

Vets shooting crushers with laser guns is a big meme

[viral solstice]

like ur eatin a lettis

well i mean

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1anj5bPASFGoNX/d1337XiwPlEq?invite=cr-MSxESXosMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

some vets have advanced armour penetrating ammo

from the future

[potent echo]

That's pretty grimdark

[ornate hamlet]

Isn't that from the past

Or did they do something funky with crits again

[viral solstice]

no im from the future

and its still real

in fact

[ornate hamlet]

All those crits

OPOP

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1ppwDmdCwDUvNj/d13374s2VIKB?invite=cr-MSx6RHksMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

now this is an even more advanced weapon

u might not be ready to see it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1075774179665772566/1142157704228511874/image.png?width=317&height=462

some say its the ultimate weapon. no way to improve it

[spice veldt]

wtf deimos' l1 two-shots scab ragers with +25% flak, a single warp charge, and warp unleashed at 0% peril

i was not cogniferous to this information

time to run surge + deimos into the maelstrom and see how it goes

[hollow current]

That's what I run on mael because I don't know what else to do. Trauma just doesn't work with all the specials and monsters. Purge just isn't my staff. At least surge can stun specials and destroy flak elites.

[near wyvern]

Surge + Deimos is nice in case your team lacks follow up but be sure to have the unstable slaughterer one and run battery & AB for that on demand horde clear

[near wyvern]

Revolver is actually pretty good with a build like 111112. Keep at 6 stacks at all time but don't be afraid to ult when you need. It's easy to get the stacks back.

Illisi and Deimos both work for melee, I have recently leaned more towards Deimos even tho it is not as good for horde but that mutant one shot H2 is a must especially if it's a conga line

[hollow current]

I feel like once the Deimos is up and running with T4 slaughter stacks it clears okay enough. At least with uncanny strike. As for the revolver maybe with a vet to sip ammo off of I suppose. The surge just gives an easy cc role to fill and I take lacerations with KB to help everyone burst the bosses down a little quicker. Might give the revolver a try in the reg damnation to start if I find a good one lol

[spice veldt]

alright i regret taking surge lmao

also fucking two rumbler ogryns

spamming that shit on hordes even though we had a psword vet

too bad i ran out of block slots

[steel egret]

I ran out of those long time ago, but they dont prevent matchmaking

[spice veldt]

if i met them, then i am certain to meet them again

and i absolutely despise people who don't use their melee especially when running chaotic ranged weapons

[steel egret]

"Im a sniper"

[spice veldt]

🥲

i legitimately could not see sometimes

because they were spamming shit

so god damn much

like shooting once to spread a patrol out; that's fine

but just spamming it to the point where the smoke was blinding me

[hollow current]

speaking of that. Any setting to turn that particle smoke shit off lol?

[spice veldt]

the only one i know of also turns off the ground fire from bombers and barrels

[steel egret]

There is something as I have accidentally done this

[cyan notch]

rumbler is just explosions and visual clutter every 2s for 30mins

[spice veldt]

and i had the misfortune of also meeting a vet

so they could spam it

holy shit i should've just brought my trauma

[steel egret]

Trauma comes after

[spice veldt]

i cri

and they all died because of a special wave during a finale, because i'm pretty sure they had no single-target DPS besides the kantrael vet

one was a pmaul + rumbler ogryn, and the other was a krourk + rumbler ogryn

AGGGH

[steel egret]

Enjoy

[spice veldt]

alright i'm calm for now again

[hollow current]

I don't even know what ranged I'd run on ogyrn for maelstrom.

usually I just do the ripper V.

[slate sun]

Rumblers are such crap compared to Rippers or Twins ... people should honestly forget about Kruber

[hollow current]

I feel like the ammo economy would be ass for ogryns at least on the monstrous specials modifiers.

maybe gauntlet ogryn with a vet would be kind of useful and sustainable?

[spice veldt]

another rumbler ogryn wtf

[plucky flax]

Rumbler is really good for monster modifiers

With sticky grenade and unyielding

[spice veldt]

ok this rumbler ogryn was a weird one

he complained about the vet bringing a revolver, so I use that opportunity to call him out on spamming the rumbler into the horde

and he decides to moan my name over the course of the match

[cyan notch]

need

[green hazel]

Any on on here still after Psyker Cliffhanger cheevo/pennance? Been after it for a few days now and struggling to get co-operation in game 😦

[lunar hollow]

he... what?

[spice veldt]

yeah I guess he wanted my mussussy

the revolver vet out-damaged him to my amusement

[lunar hollow]

if ur gonna cheat on me with a pub player for the love of god do not do it with a rumbler ogryn

[spice veldt]

ok I'll do it with a shieldgryn

[lunar hollow]

wtf

that was NOT the right answer

[spice veldt]

wow so strict

[lunar hollow]

[spice veldt]

I personally got it in a pub game at the finale of Vigil Station Oblivium's finale, during the 2nd phase at that central platform

[hidden crystal]

That's probably the best place for it (although on the bridges you need to angle yourself to push them off, not along- the spawn point behind the central platform is possibly better if a group drop in from there), although other decent places might be the Bridge of Fools during Silo Cluster's "waiting for the elevator" section, and I personally got it by launching a horde off the pipes at the end of Hab Dreyko.

[fresh reef]

So I had a thought. Looking at the Zealot tree, the iconic feat (eg martyrdom) is one of the last things you select. In Psyker's case, wth happens with Warp Charges?

[spice veldt]

my guess is that it's going to be tied with the brainburst blitz or not called an "iconic" anymore

with Battle Meditation presumably being the true "iconic"

battle meditation is a fairly useful iconic, so I am curious as to the alternatives

[fresh reef]

It'd be a bit lame if every other tree also relied on Warp Charges. I doubt that'd happen though

[spice veldt]

stuff like psychic communion and kinetic flayer are prob going to be locked behind the brainburst node

i imagine that our skill tree is going to look a bit different than the other classes because of the more involved nature of our blitz

[lunar hollow]

there's a chance the warp charges n stuff are their own iconic that compete with the other 2 subclasses instead of being tied to BB

and then communion is 1 option for how u can get them

but idk. ascendant blaze is tied to the psyker ult and has a part where it gives you a new way to get warp charges

so i don't think we can really assume how it'll work because there are a lot of things to sort of untangle with that

[spice veldt]

true

maybe our skill tree will be more restrictive?

[lunar hollow]

i don't know about that, considering there's supposed to be 3 subclasses worth of content that u can mix and match with

it's just the current psyker feats are kinda all over the place for this specific model

and it's likely that some of them will be changed to better fit it, rather than changing the model to fit psyker

like u could split ascendant blaze into the fire on ult and the warp charges on flame kills thing

[spice veldt]

it's also possible that the order in which you get your grenade/ults/etc. will be different for psyker compared to zealot

[lunar hollow]

and then include warp charges on flame kills under the warp charges node or smth

[lunar hollow]

this is true

[spice veldt]

which will make it easier for them to lock certain stuff

[lunar hollow]

i have no fuckin clue how progression from 1-30 is going to work but i also don't have to care about it lol

[spice veldt]

or have different types of "connections" where you have to have these two nodes unlocked before you can progress into it

[lunar hollow]

perhaps

there's a lot of different ways they can take this stuff and i hope to god they show off more of it before they release it

[spice veldt]

the other classes don't have the blitz/ult interdependency like psyker does with ascendant blaze/quicken

yeah

assuming that they're going to try and incorporate how psyker currently works into the skill tree, it will be interesting to see how different our skill tree looks

[lunar hollow]

one thing im kinda worried is gonna be ridiculously broken is ogryn's bullfighter feat (10% cooldown on elite kills in coherency) with the gun lugger ult

since you could use that ult, dump a ripper into a patrol, and immediately have the ult back to do it again

unless it is specifically tied to the current ogryn ult's node

[lunar hollow]

also ur optimism this isnt all just a thinly veiled excuse to nerf psyker into the ground again

very naive...

[hidden crystal]

That's one of the things that kind of worries me, as I like my current playstyle, but it is a bit of a fine balance to keep vaguely competitive as far as all the different bits working together.

[spice veldt]

assuming that we keep quietitude and warp absorption, we're going to have some nutty toughness generation

[hidden crystal]

Quietitude is definitely nice for being one you can deliberately proc at any time.

[unreal wasp]

N o o o o, I love my melee focused horde clearing Psy Knight

Illisi is completely balanced, I might explode using the alt attack (if and only if I don't watch my Peril and overuse Psykinetic's Wrath even though I'm using Quicken)

I'm a squishy little boy Hides the fact that I have over 210 health, can block ranged fire, and blocking uses peril before it uses my stamina

[charred hamlet]

does the obscurus/deimos blaze swords increase in damage on the special attack based off charge/heavy attacks or does it always do the same damage?

[spice veldt]

special-lights and special-heavies deal different amounts of damage yeah

[charred hamlet]

okay thats really good to know ty

[upper galleon]

as long as I can keep going soulblaze idc

[hidden crystal]

My commiserations to the person in general-chat who says he's wasted loads of plasteel trying to find Transfer Peril for Purgatus and Surge staffs.

(I have now tried to tell him that it doesn't exist for those staffs).

[upper galleon]

people still try to find t4 blaze away

[hidden crystal]

Which reminds me, I have an autopistol I got a while back that I need to rip Blaze Away off.

Although if I'm going to try going with Shredded Cheese on a psyker, I'll probably run this one: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1143709029718302791/image.png

[royal wraith]

this blessing singlehandedly made me want to kermit suislide three times, ruined 2 fucking 380 trauma staffs too

[charred hamlet]

oof

[upper galleon]

flak is fine

[charred hamlet]

if you guys get shit on blue tier weapons do you just stop upgrading them?

[royal wraith]

the flak is not the issue lmfao

[lunar hollow]

i bring it to purple

if you get a good perk you have a decent enough chance of getting a desirable blessing

since getting a shit blessing actually gives you better odds on the 2nd roll since the pool of remaining blessings doesn't include the one you don't want

[charred hamlet]

thats good to know

what about curios? also purple or do yall just max em out

[lunar hollow]

honestly, any curio with a good base stat will function well. being able to reroll 2 perks gives you most of the functionality you'll need anyways

but you only need 1 perk you want, so you can bring em to gold and have an okay chance of getting a curio with all 3 desirable perks

[charred hamlet]

fair

toughest part will probably be getting max base stat rolls

[lunar hollow]

it's pretty annoying, yeah. when they gave us account wide wallets i spent 10k marks at melk's random curios shop to get the psyker curios i wanted lol

since it was the only class i didn't have any of the curios i wanted

[spice veldt]

i considered doing that but quit the moment i got a 14% toughness curio

[lunar hollow]

you were the 90% of gamblers

i wasn't.

[fresh reef]

I've gotten only one 17% toughness curio, and it had the most useless stats known to man

15% Grim resistance, 15% Flamer resistance, and 15% bomber resistance

I hope I made the right choice in rolling the latter two

[charred hamlet]

what are the highest main stats can roll currently?

[winged agate]

80%

[charred hamlet]

sorry i mean on curios

[winged agate]

NVM I'm stupid

[charred hamlet]

like the health and toughness lol

[winged agate]

Didn't read the convo

[charred hamlet]

xD

[mental rock]

Health 21 toughness 17 stam 3

[magic hull]

got one as well, been trying to run full toughness curio but that seems impossible rn

[charred hamlet]

odd numbers

i wonder if mystery melk is worth spending on

[winged agate]

I've been picking up psyker lately and have been running into an issue where I think I despise every single staff in this game

[indigo portal]

Gun psyker origin story.

[charred hamlet]

staffs need a certain vibe

[winged agate]

My monkey brain wants to unga bunga melee and pulling out a slow staff that provides utility that I could simply not have to utilize if the thing I was looking at had a force sword in it's head

[spice veldt]

you can feel the lack of single-target DPS from all of them

[winged agate]

Hurts

[spice veldt]

and they all have secondaries that require you to charge them first

[shadow wigeon]

100% nope.

[charred hamlet]

yeah staffs are definitely more CC

i like surge alot tho because the stuns are so useful

[winged agate]

I DESPISE charge up. On every other class I use whatever ranged weapon I can pull out on a dime to delete a problem, so I can continue melee.

Except in vet because fuck shooter packs

Anything holding a gun dies

I can handle anything that comes my way (with exceptions for time warping dogs from hell) but if there's ONE ASSHOLE with a peashooter harassing me while I do it

I start crying

Every veteran with a las gun that starts every room by executing every single shooter in sight is a goddamn hero

[brazen warren]

doing the god Emperor's work

not a single shooter will be allowed to exist

[rugged fiber]

I just got a sharpshooter lvl24 that died to the 1st group of enemy in maelstrom mission...

[blazing echo]

even all, hopefully a quick question but finally 30'd up and configuring for max level and auric gear. Is it worth taking a punt on a Melks Mystery or should I just wait for a decent gear to rotate into the mix

[steel egret]

Make your own pray for weekly blessings to fit.

[blazing echo]

cheers

[spice veldt]

the mystery options are unfortunately not worth it

[lyric burrow]

Yeah ive never done those

But given melks shop is always bad for me i figured mystery wouldnt be much better

And i dont really need blessings anymore

[blazing echo]

got some basic gear I think is decent, now just to pray to the emperor and slip Hadron a couple of playstations in the hope of some decent buffsa

Nowhere near the build I'm looking at but still an improvement from where I am

[faint mauve]

this could be really good depending on how blessings are coded

assuming their active 24/7 you could crit an enemy from a distance and set an entire hoard on fire

[hidden crystal]

Although there have been a couple of exceptions, blessings only apply while the weapon is out.

[faint mauve]

unfortunate

either way you've got some really solid synergy with those blessings

[blazing echo]

I'm entirely uncertain how to behave when blessed with good luck, it so rarely happens

[fresh reef]

Dueling Sword gaming

[brazen warren]

is that maniac damage boost double headshot heavy attacks during a dodge?

[fresh reef]

1. This was on Malice. Normally it hits for around 1500 on weakpoint, so that'd be a 3-shot (if one heavy crits) for Damnation muties
2. No, but I do have +25% Maniac

[brazen warren]

[unreal harness]

😭

[shadow wigeon]

Unfortunately Blazing Spirit does not apply stacks on kills, so you have the meme blessings, but on the wrong sword.

For fun, I would just save that one until you know which blessing you want to melt it for, to apply to a future Ilisi

[blazing echo]

Thanks!

[near wyvern]

Duelling Swords need a buff. There is no point in them being so garbage against maniac.

I get it that flak and carapace ain't the best targets for a sabre but flesh, rotten flesh, and crazy flesh should be sent flying with that.

[fresh reef]

what do you think the breakpoint should be?

[near wyvern]

Deimos luckily fucks damnation muties

[fresh reef]

seems like a fair trade for the best dodge in the game

[shadow wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[tired totem]

All I got for now 😄

Savour it 😄

[fresh reef]

so is Surge staff just dead in the water now?

it was already the worst staff, but now it seems like it's just outclassed by a blitz ability

[shadow wigeon]

😐

[proven raven]

surge is consistent

[shadow wigeon]

Surge is excellent

[tired totem]

This have a different role/use case than Surge and of course is limited. Surge aint.

[shadow wigeon]

I presume that is a damage talent that also stuns, rather than a replacement for a weapon that stuns.

[fresh reef]

hard to tell from the image, but it doesn't look like it chains

[lyric burrow]

I should learn surge eventually

Only staff i havent used extensively

[viral solstice]

"learn surge"

[upper galleon]

good

[viral solstice]

hehehehehe

[lyric burrow]

I just end up using melee 99% of the time lol

[viral solstice]

yes

[upper galleon]

surge is crap most of the time

[viral solstice]

that is playing surge

[upper galleon]

like ohh sometiimes you can fry a bunch of shooters out of cover

[fresh reef]

@shadow wigeon

[viral solstice]

surge is not a staff, its a utility special item that u pull out 10% of the time to support running around hitting ppl with the broken melee options

[lyric burrow]

Anytime surge seems like i could use it i worry im gonna stun out of position for team

[viral solstice]

which is sad

[upper galleon]

99% of all surge staff users stun stupid shit that doesn't need to be stunned and somehow fail to stun important things

[near wyvern]

IMO you should be able to do:

• crazy good DPS with lights against unarmoured, infested and maniac
• good DPS with heavies against unyielding, unarmoured and flak
• ok DPS with lights against flak and unyielding as well as heavies against carapace
• poor DPS with lights on carapace as well as heavies on maniac and infested

So IMO a max damage roll duelling sword with 25 maniac and 6 warp charges should destroy a mutant head in 2 light hits where as a not optimal one without warp charges should do it in 3 or 4 light hits.

That's my opinion on it and it would make a difference with Deimos in that it provides more of a high constant DPS where as Deimos is a burst type with the L1 H2 combo.

[viral solstice]

tbh i really want duelling swords to get a different special

[upper galleon]

duelling swords should get saltz special

[lyric burrow]

And infinite dodges

[viral solstice]

the duelling sword having spidermonkey dodge as their defensive utility instead of a literal parry

[upper galleon]

except instead of a gun, it's finger blast

[viral solstice]

is baffling to me

there are also still in the game bugged damage values on the heavies

of at least one duelling sword

where a single target strikedown heavy has the damage properties of a cleave heavy

cant remember the mark

[brazen warren]

surge is good when the user is competent and the team is leaning into the support provided

[shadow wigeon]

I do it different. Surge is the chill out staff where I just control everything to make the game easy for the rest of the team. Very relaxing.

[upper galleon]

"make it easy"

[brazen warren]

great against armor too

[upper galleon]

you really aren't i'm better

it's only good vs flak armor and even then maulers and crushers simply have too much HP for surge staff to be good vs them

[near wyvern]

No, surge is good when the team is competent. A surge without follow up is like farting on open sea. Funky for a second but achieves nothing.

[shadow wigeon]

Yes, and casually vaporize armor while you watch youtube videos.

[upper galleon]

the best use case I've seen is clearing shooters out of tricky cover

[shadow wigeon]

No

[upper galleon]

lmao it's crusher and mauler damage is ass

[brazen warren]

damnation crushers spawn in 3's minimum right

[upper galleon]

just pull out your illisi

[viral solstice]

i mean it depends what we are calling good damage

[shadow wigeon]

Crushers and maulers are like candy to surge

[viral solstice]

it's good crusher damage vs its damage on other targets

but... its not good crusher damage for a primary weapon on a damage class

[brazen warren]

lightning+metal=good times

[upper galleon]

you cc mutants when you got a hammer zealot lining up a hit

[brazen warren]

but tis more of a bonus than a focus imo

[upper galleon]

it's best enemies is flak shooters

[near wyvern]

You cc a mutant and watch that hammer zealot wiff

[brazen warren]

bullying shooters will always be the best

[upper galleon]

as a zealot main shove that staff where the emperor can't see

[blazing echo]

Theres something deeply satisfying about smacking an elite with a charged hammer

[viral solstice]

its also just really sad that a staff that shoots literal chain lightning is this sad utility thing

put surge blessing on surge staff

[upper galleon]

oh boy i pulled out my heavy sword

[shadow wigeon]

GIven how quickly you kill a pack of crushers, and the fact that you isolate them the whole time... it's pretty strong, just not burst. And they're isolated so i someone else wants to gank them, all good.

[upper galleon]

and the psyker is spamming surge staff

[viral solstice]

i mean i'm not saying it's weak in the abstract, just that it's not particularly strong for damage options vs crushers. it's decent

[brazen warren]

illisi for hyper dense horde, surge for armor/special rush

[shadow wigeon]

The magic is to stop mutants right in front of your zealot, just serve em up. Takes a bit for pub zealots t udnerstand what you're doing...

[viral solstice]

but i love chain lightning in games and in this it not being damage is so mald

and then to put crit as a stat on it

but not blazing spirit of course

because that would be synergy

[brazen warren]

alt surge staff that is all damage, no stun

[viral solstice]

can't have that

[brazen warren]

boom sweet weapon

[viral solstice]

its like they looked at emperor palpatine and said "THIS IS THE FANTASY PEOPLE WANT. I SHOOT THE LIGHTNING FROM MY FINGERS AND MAKE 5 ZOMBIES HAVE A SEIZURE. LIMITED POWERRRRRRRR"

[brazen warren]

lol

[upper galleon]

oh we have the issue 🙄

see when we have the hammer out and charging

and don't stun

the best use case for the surge is scab stalkers

cause every other class hates them

[shadow wigeon]

I don't understand how you read that and interpreted it as me saying zealots had an issue.

[brazen warren]

I bring a gun just because I want every shooter dead on sight

[upper galleon]

takes a bit for pub zealots to understand

truely, my mind is simply too small to comphrenend the masterpiece that is surge staff

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah that you're going to dead stop mutants right next to them.

[upper galleon]

i have never had a pub psyker

do that

when i'm using hammer

[shadow wigeon]

Well, we haven't played together then. It's one of my favourite things to do with thammer zealots.

Not just muties, serve em up everything

[upper galleon]

oh and surge psykers that spam on bursters

instead of stunning once and then swapping to BB

like I use surge staff on occasion and it's an illisi build basically

[brazen warren]

I wish there was a dueling sword that was good at wave clear

I like the aesthetic

[lyric burrow]

I dont even think they are awful at it minus mk 2

But to have good horde clear in this game you need to be able to clear a horde in 3 swings

So its pretty lacking in comparison

[whole oxide]

i mean, they're the worst option psyker has for melee horde clear, apart from maybe knife

which would be okay if they made up for it with great single-target, but, they don't

[lyric burrow]

Id say chainsword isnt great although maybe warp charges help

[whole oxide]

chainsword can at least hit more than 2 targets

[lyric burrow]

True

I just hate the attack pattern

I find it tolerable on a crit build with zealot thats not too bad

[faint mauve]

wait since when could psykers wield chainswords

[lyric burrow]

Always afaik

Unless you mean in lore

[whole oxide]

its just that literally nobody keeps one equipped after trying it once

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i dont remember the last time i saw a chainsword

Esp on psyker

I see catachan more on them

Although i think i saw a guy in here saying theres a decent chainsword build on psyker

[alpine fulcrum]

thoughts?

thought of using with my surge staff

[upper galleon]

ballin on ranged only scab maelstrom

[upper galleon]

unstable for slaught if you have it

[alpine fulcrum]

is deflector actually any good?

worth trying to use?

[upper galleon]

need a +3 stam curio but yea

it's locked in so

[viral solstice]

just out of interest i benchmarked my old shitty obscurus on 20pox

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1qtcDYywCEyEnQ/d1337WcGD3GM?invite=cr-MSxIVDcsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

spread them out to simulate the mild hitbox issues it has

honestly not that bad

thats way better than most non-bm or non-broken horde clear options

obscurus lyfe

[thorn cedar]

you cant put a bar on hipster cred

thats where everyone else is losing

[viral solstice]

list of things i dont have: other force swords

i have to make a godroll mk 2 club on ogryn first

preferably crit

[shadow wigeon]

Huge. I would switch Unstable to Slaughterer, otherwise it's perfect.

[shadow wigeon]

It's great for playing aggresively. If you stand back and zap, you're not going to get much use out of it. It lets you walk down shooters, or tank ranged for a bit, bit more freedom of movement if you stick your neck out.

Realistically I only use deflector a few times each game, if at all, and most of the time you could avoid that damage in other ways. But it's great when you want it/need it.

[viral solstice]

on the other hand u could take shred / blazing spirit and then hit ppl and they are on fire. idk how this helps but they are on fire which looks cool

[shadow wigeon]

An impossible choice

[viral solstice]

[shadow wigeon]

Eat bullets or set people on fire there's no right answer

[viral solstice]

too powerful

what i want them to do with deflector is make it so the more ranged damage u succ

the more damage ur next push attack does

and then make it so it makes ur push attack do damage

would feel so much cooler

[thorn cedar]

yea i wanna do the neo thing but you throw all the boolets back

all of them condensed into a single kamehameha

imagine doming a reaper with the output of him and his three other friends

[viral solstice]

ye

in general the issue with deflector is that it's such a passive ability. it's in essence a lot of stall potential - which is useful - but its not ideal to encourage if u could make it "ranged fire represents an opportunity if u can make a tradeoff"

we will see

[thorn cedar]

deflector is to give my thumb a break from dodging

[shadow wigeon]

It doesn't have to be a stall, you can use it to take more risks but be able to bounce back easily. Good dodging is almost the same, barring things like walking down walls of shooters.

[thorn cedar]

sometimes it also lets me sip my coffee

[shadow wigeon]

chatblock and bio

[viral solstice]

i mean stall in the sense it's a blessing that's entirely defensive without any turnaround offensive benefit

which i think is a much better model, partly because deflector is a utility blessing competing with offensive blessings. in general this is an issue with the blessing systesm, but tweaking it in that direction both makes it more interesting to play and makes it feel like less of an offensive sacrifice

(arguably deflector should be something psyker just gets with any weapon as a tree feat. we will see)

[lunar hollow]

tbh i tried deflector out and it's like, if im sliding/dodging im not getting as much utility out of it as possible

and it didn't really click how to make it do anything until i watched someone else use it and they just walked straight at a shooter as it shot them, and it's like... why the fuck would you promote this kind of gameplay?

[thorn cedar]

that's really the 'worst' part of deflector

is that it's force sword only

[viral solstice]

yeah part of the issue is like, a force sword has infinite dodges...

[thorn cedar]

yea

[lunar hollow]

yeah

[thorn cedar]

crab get outta heah

[viral solstice]

of all the weapons in the game to have "u can tank bullets to the face"

lol

[lunar hollow]

why would i ever want to utilize this on the one weapon where you're supposed to just

mash spacebar

[thorn cedar]

but it's also absolutely fun

and when im saving the timing of my dodges for a monster

it aint so bad

[lunar hollow]

i already don't like force swords specifically because infinite dodges is bad for game health and i dont think it should be a mechanic

or at least not 1 tied to a single weapon family if you want it included

and it fucks up my brain if i play psyker too long without playing other classes

[flint palm]

Anyone knows what is this Surge blessing? the description is quite unclear...

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah agreed. I feels Wile Coyote cartoon silly, and crab walking psykers is not helping your game look cool.

[shadow wigeon]

I just took that sword against a Plogyrn and L spam did 8K to him no effort.

[viral solstice]

exactly

gamer moves

[shadow wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-touch-scratch-gif-7901096

[shadow wigeon]

When using the LMB (bolt) attack with a staff, and also charged attack with Voidstrike, if you get a critical hit, you will fire a second bolt off that does non-crit damage.

It's sort of like crits getting 100% non-crit damage boost, but not quite, because the second bolt does need to hit something to be useful, and there isn't always a target there.

[ornate hamlet]

I’m curious, does Darktide have decent earned cosmetics?

Or are the ‘better’ ones locked in premium?

[fallow falcon]

There's some decent earned ones, but the vast majority of good stuff is premium

[flint palm]

Doesnt sound like a great blessing tbh...hmmm

Thanks!

[shadow wigeon]

It is not, sadly.

[ornate hamlet]

That’s unfortunate

[fallow falcon]

These are the 2 "high end" earnable cosmetics for psyker

[ornate hamlet]

What of the other classes?

[fallow falcon]

They're not bad, but you only get minor variantions on this set in different colours or with different bits of armour moved around

[ornate hamlet]

I’d like to see some lore-based ones for the Imperial Guard

[fallow falcon]

High end achievement armour for the guardsman

The desert one is a recolour you can buy for earned currency

[ornate hamlet]

The right hand looks good enough

Honestly both are very nice

[fallow falcon]

And another you can earn

[ornate hamlet]

Looks almost like a heretic lol

[fallow falcon]

Yeah, the penal legion set makes you look rough

Has a bunch of variations like this

Premium stuff gets you sets like this though

So the default earnable stuff is good

But they put the fancier stuff behind a paywall

And there's a lot more paywalled stuff than earnable

[ornate hamlet]

Almost the look of the Death Korps

[fallow falcon]

Steel Legion specifically

[restive slate]

I can hear Hunk's theme playing

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/plasma-gun-warhammer40k-death-korps-of-krieg-fire-power-youtube-absolutely-nothing-death-korps-of-krieg-gif-26550077

[idle aurora]

New ult move teaser

I wonder how it will work, since we already have surge for stuns, it would be lame for ult just to do the same thing

[quick python]

probably just a super powerful surge burst with a cooldown honestly

[hidden crystal]

From the earlier info, I was under the understanding this was a Blitz rather than an ult.

[quick python]

oh, so It replaces brain burst

[idle aurora]

Ah, you mean instead of bb, then it can get interesting synergy with surge

Since blitz isn't on cooldown

Maybe something along the lines of - enemies hit with electric blitz receive increased damage and longer stun from surge secondary

[gilded viper]

I wanna know how force barrier works

Is it just SoTT wall?

[idle aurora]

So far i only have seen the force bubble, it probably just drops in place and you must stay in (if it moves with psyker that would be kinda insane)

[gilded viper]

Well more like, can it be shot through? Can enemies/allies walk through it

[idle aurora]

I assume it's purely anti-range, so you can shoot out, but can't be shot, like boss shield

but enemies can run in for melee

[magic hull]

I gets me this, didnt touch veteran much.

[charred hamlet]

first consecrated legendary on my psyker, honestly not bad at all

ill swap stamina and barrage and itll do very nicely

hehehehe >:3

[ornate hamlet]

BEHOLD

[fresh reef]

they stole my Rashad's pixels, can't have shit in Tertium

[spice veldt]

nom nom nom

[humble bolt]

Why is psycho so ass

[hidden crystal]

I'd say that's a controversial take. Many people would consider it one of Alfred Hitchcock's best films, if not his most iconic.

[unreal wasp]

Really wish there was a Gandalf voice for Psyker

Don't feel like any of the voices fit a greybeard

[upper galleon]

seer and loner sound older...

[unreal wasp]

Unless you're a scrawny greybeard and not the chad Gandalf

[upper galleon]

but i see what you mean

[unreal wasp]

Am using Savant because I liked the Enforcer background and he doesn't seem to be schizophrenic

[near wyvern]

Chandalf the Great

[unreal wasp]

Wonder if we're going to get bulkier psyker armor than this in terms of metal

230+ health and easy toughness regen makes me think Psyker should have bigger armor

[west nacelle]

psyker should get an axe and shield tbh it would be cool to have an axe and shield that can be powered up with some warp energy to do a better job at cuttin a bitch

[unreal wasp]

Force axe

Force hammer

[unkempt onyx]

very important question: does bloodthirsty hit multiple things with the crit, IE, set multiple enemies on fire if paired with blazing spirit?

[regal jasper]

Do you mean like elder scrolls greybeards? Or is there some LoTR lore I don’t know about

[unreal wasp]

Was mainly meaning wise old person but it can be a reference to ES greybeards or dwarven greybeards, etc

[regal jasper]

Ah

[spice veldt]

ye, crits are applied to all targets hit if the attack crits

[unkempt onyx]

ok thats sick

i have one with shred 4 and bloodthirsty 4, and i have to pick one to pair with blazing spirit

[spice veldt]

it's just that the crit damage multiplier drops after the first target hit (for most weapons), but you'll see the yellow numbers in the psykhanium

[olive ember]

Ew crits

Only crit I like is on blazing crit trauma staff

[sterile vale]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[plucky flax]

Surge staff crit is op.

[near wyvern]

Where is blazing spirit for surge

[potent echo]

Blazing spirit for purge please

[viral inlet]

sorry, we're all lunatics on the Mourningstar

[gilded radish]

Hearing them beg to be released is entertaining

[worldly iron]

Need help with penance

anyone online?

Pick and Mix and possily Mallus?

[fading heath]

quick tip on which dueling sword and what stats on it?

[worldly iron]

sure thing

are you in-game?

83058608

[whole oxide]

MkV, Damage>Finesse>Penetration>Mobility>Defence, Uncanny Strike & Shred, Maniac/Flak

[fading heath]

thanks

[whole oxide]

or you could put rampage instead of shred, but, the only way to activate it is with push-attack, so you need to remember to do that every few seconds. With rampage, infested perk, 6 warp charges, and warp unleashed, and 80 damage/finesse, you could get to a point of 1-shot on poxwalker weakspot with light attack, buuuuuut, MkV lights aren't great for hitting weakspots, so its just easier to treat duelling-sword as a tool for elites/specials and leave poxwalker munching for your staff

[fresh reef]

worth noting that if you don't run Kinetic Deflection, Defense is a very good stat

[unreal dust]

Should I swap out either of the perks for +Crit chance?

Or just leave as is?

[plucky flax]

On mine I have flak crit chance. It's strong against carapace but not that strong, and usually teammates will help out anyway as long as you keep crushers stunned.

[hollow current]

I think you should leave carapace or maybe change to maniac. +5 crit is nice but you're already have max crit bonus and have T4 warp nexus. I feel like more appreciable damage is gained from keeping a + damage type that's useful.

[unreal wasp]

When you can tank a Heresy horde all day as an Illisi Psyker but then you mess up and blow yourself up

[lunar drum]

just needs some awkward coughs and clearing of throats

[thorn cedar]

a muffled fart, perhaps

[steel egret]

Ogryn shouting Barrel to cover fart sound.

[thorn cedar]

except he shouts it out way too late cause he was too slow to think of it

[unreal wasp]

2/3 on the not hit by elite thing, can't get the last one because either groups of six or more ragers/maulers spawn or I get netted during a horde and there just so happens to be a rager there that smacks me while I'm down

[hidden crystal]

I don't think it has to be three consecutive missions though (unlike things like Flawless Execution), so at least it's not resetting your progress.

[spice oar]

shout out to my psyker screaming in my year "you are nothing" every time i press the F

[plucky flax]

Nice offering from Brunt.

[hollow current]

close to perfect as you could hope on the modifiers.

[unreal wasp]

N o E l i t e H i t s P e n a n c e D o n e, had hoped the pants might look better but they're ok

Had to switch off revolver and use surge staff. Makes it a lot easier to keep elites off of me and lets teammates mop things up that are electrocuted

And then if I need to do damage I just M1, use Illisi, or Brain Burst

Could be better but this is me sword

Nice number

[hollow current]

not bad. least you can throw on slaughter if you ever grow out of deflector

oh i just noticed the first target rating lmfao

[unreal wasp]

Mainly use it for horde clearing

[hollow current]

yeah it's probably still fine.

[unreal wasp]

If it was a Deimos I'd probably care more about first target

[hollow current]

I think Finesse scales faster than first target at least for deimos. But yeah you definitely wouldn't want it as a dump stat.

[unreal wasp]

Good thing the finesse is decent though, I mostly head sweep crowds if on a horizontal plane

[spice veldt]

finesse matters mostly for the attack speed, since the crit/weakspot damage multipliers drop after the first target on normals and the first 3 targets on specials

and you're probably one-shotting the first 3 trash enemies hit

[unreal wasp]

If trash enemies being Poxwalkers, I usually kill at least 8 per sweep on Heresy

Has anyone actually GOTTEN a weapon with 100% in a modifier? Read a thing where people were talking about hoping for getting 80% in damage and first target for max damage

[hollow current]

nuh uh

[unreal wasp]

As if 80% was max

[hollow current]

80% is max at the moment

if red weapons are a thing in darktide like they are in vermintide, maybe they'l have 100%

[unreal wasp]

Would be wild if what reds do is just boost modifiers again

OOF

The RNG hell of getting a good orange and then the buff from the red isn't great

Inb4 it's a system where you have to do the Darktide equivalent of DRG Deep Dives to get a material to boost modifiers

[plucky flax]

Horde clear sword but without slaughterer?

[unreal wasp]

And you can use the same material to unlock a stat, but if you change something after, it locks the other stat so you'd need to use the material again if you wanted to change the newly locked stat again

[unreal wasp]

I mean I can swap off Deflector but blocking bullets is fun and it already works without slaughterer

[plucky flax]

That's why I always use deflector slaughterer.

Slaughterer is way stronger than unstable power.

[unreal wasp]

Myea, but my option for having slaughterer INSTEAD of Unstable Power would've been a worse blessing

So if I'm going to put on Slaughter I need to take off Deflector

Don't remember what the other blessing was, think it was T3 of the critical chance on successful dodge

(Personally worse because assumedly successfully dodging means you have to perfect dodge the attack, not just dodge out of range)

[plucky flax]

RIP

[spice veldt]

though the timing for that is lenient
but crits are shit and the bonus by riposte is also poopoo

[unreal wasp]

I mean, when the psyker ult that blocks fire comes out I'll probably swap Deflector for Slaughterer

If I actually use that, don't know if I will, depends on what else Psyker gets

[lunar hollow]

ur poopoo

?????

[plucky flax]

You'll get a better sword.

[unreal wasp]

Doubtfully what you meant but I wonder if we'll get new weapons with the new trees, or just the new trees

That's probably hopium

[spice veldt]

at the very least, the new blitz will be some fun

hopefully the psychic shards are mechanically interesting to play with

and won't be an aim-assist weapon like brainburst is

[unreal wasp]

Force axe? Force hammer? Force greatsword?

[spice veldt]

and my hopium for weapon nerfs that hopefully change how weapons like the illisi will feel

[unreal wasp]

Fatshark nerfs Illisi into the ground

I go back to playing Ogryn

[spice veldt]

i doubt that they'll overly nerf it, if only to avoid review bombs such as with the psword situation

(and even that was what I consider a fairly reasonable change, besides the greater emphasis on getting power cycler, though they did also release t3 PC)

and they have been buffing some weapons (at a snail's pace), so I am mildly optimistic

[unreal wasp]

Personally don't think the power sword should have as strong single sweeps as Illisi unless they make it so there's a chance the sword explodes in your hand from overuse

[spice veldt]

yeah add in a resource like plasma gun/psyker or just nerf its values

the former being the more interesting option

and maybe a little bit of both

illisi should get some of its armour modifiers nerfed

and get the voidstrike treatment of a more balanced cleave distribution on the special

basically less damage on the first targets hit and more damage on the later targets hit

[lunar hollow]

this is already the case

u cant 1 shot ragers with a psword

u can with illisi

[unreal wasp]

Can't with mine

[spice veldt]

though that's mostly because vet doesn't have psyker's passive >26% damage buffs

[unreal wasp]

Lol

[lunar hollow]

the illisi is effectively just a better psword unless for some reason you're incapable of proccing battle meditation or quelling every now and then

[unreal wasp]

I don't even usually quell, I just swing a few times until it drops to 98% and instantly use it again

[spice veldt]

i do hope the new iconics will match battle meditation in strength

[lunar hollow]

it has better mobility, better activation speed, better burst damage, etc

and the only real cost is peril

[unreal wasp]

Seems fine to me

[lunar hollow]

there's also a bunch of "isn't it crazy how fucked vet is in melee combat compared to other classes?" reasons that means an illisi does better

[unreal wasp]

I once in a few hours blow meself up

[spice veldt]

psword but on a class significantly better suited for melee and with significantly better mobility

very balanced i promise

[lunar hollow]

like having 0 melee buffs/awful stam economy

[spice veldt]

0.5 second stamina regen lul

should've been at least 0.75s, the same as zealots

[lunar hollow]

whereas with psyker u can have a fairly consistent 30% damage boost before u factor in weapon blessings

infinite dodges, effectively infinite stamina, etc

[unreal wasp]

I actually don't understand the infinite dodges part

Must be a timing thing

Haven't looked into it

[lunar hollow]

both from k/d and the stupid fuckin regen timer

[spice veldt]

basically, your dodges will decay in distance and speed as you use them up

[unreal wasp]

Well yea

[spice veldt]

and they'll refresh after you wait 0.85 seconds without dodging or sliding

[unreal wasp]

I know that part

[lunar hollow]

psyker has no cap on its dodges

[spice veldt]

it primarily pertains to dodge-slides, which give you significant uptime on ranged i-frames

[lunar hollow]

there's 0 decay and you're never stopped from dodging again

[thorn cedar]

force sword, yea

[lunar hollow]

on the force swords

[spice veldt]

and dodge-slides are balanced by the fact that they count twice towards your dodge limit

[lunar hollow]

(the only weapons worth using if ur trying to have the best loadout)

[thorn cedar]

as a class bonus that would be a huge lemao

[spice veldt]

but this balancing fact is completely ignored by infinite dodges

so you can just spam that shit into ranged patrols as long as there aren't any gunners/reapers/shotgunners to knock you around

so while we don't have a zealot/ogryn charge, we do have a neat tool for closing the distance

[lunar hollow]

i don't think it ends up changing that much because the weapons that get it are already the strongest

god bless tools of war

giving a bunch of classes weapons that suck or are mid and then bestowing psyker some of the most ridiculous melees in the game

[spice veldt]

maybe as a feat that increases the amount of dodges you get or something

(but certainly not infinite)

[thorn cedar]

dodges now cost peril

[spice veldt]

hmmm

would that be a bad idea

[lunar hollow]

yes

[spice veldt]

would be fun

[thorn cedar]

I'd fukin try it

[lunar hollow]

so long as kinetic deflection and deflector exist i can't really see why u would want that

[unreal wasp]

Wild, don't think I noticed limited dodges as Oggy, pretty sure my dodges decreased in distance the more I used them though

Maybe I wasn't spamming dodge enough

[lunar hollow]

if you have a weapon with 4 dodges u have to dodge like 9 times in a row before the timer resets before it stops u outright

installing the dodge counter mod helps a lot with seeing what exactly is going on

[thorn cedar]

once you git gud(tm) it's pretty rare that you run all your dodges out since you are a) spamming them less and b) get better at timing them for when they're really needed

[spice veldt]

i notice the lack of infinite dodges on other classes, though that's probably because i'm coming from psyker onto them

[thorn cedar]

it ends up only happening when you are completely overwhelmed, which as an ogryn just means you throw out a single push or press f

[spice veldt]

even on the hsword, i get depressed when I have to wait 0.85 seconds for my dodges to come back

and that i have to actually manage this resource

[thorn cedar]

oh yea it sucks to break the habit, but we are being abusive lmao

[lunar hollow]

you can also get 5 full dodges on hsword which effectively translates into infinite in my experience

[spice veldt]

not infinite enough for me

i'm a crack addict

a wild beast

[lunar hollow]

sorry i dont have degenerate habits when it comes to game mechanics usage

[unreal wasp]

Went from playing like 300 hours as Ogryn to playing Veteran to 30, playing Ogryn again, and now playing Psyker

[thorn cedar]

if i dont dodge every fraction of a second i will explode into a daemonhost

[spice veldt]

very tru tru

[unreal wasp]

Guess that's why I don't notice weapons being slow because I started playing as Oggy

[spice veldt]

i definitely notice other weapons having shittier armour modifiers

like the hsword is nice, but man I can't just spam certain attacks over and over (cough cough)

[lunar hollow]

how horrible

[thorn cedar]

hsword just asks you to heavy attack when scab bruisers get in the mix

[spice veldt]

why would the game do this to me

[thorn cedar]

and even then not really

[lunar hollow]

in compensation u get the bolter

look in vague direction of enemy

hold m1

7x elite kills in feed

[thorn cedar]

hahaha, burn!

[shadow wigeon]

bliss

[spice veldt]

though i realized that i don't like the bolter and remembered why i swapped to psyker in the first place

[lunar hollow]

i love the bolter

[thorn cedar]

https://youtube.com/shorts/oXniKb_8j6g?si=UyD45RkFebOF9KsG

[lunar hollow]

until im trying to use it and there are enemies shooting at me

sudden onset parkinsons

[spice veldt]

i've just been using the agri shotgun instead on zealot

[lunar hollow]

i hate you

[spice veldt]

as a brainburst that i have to aim

[thorn cedar]

i have an exceedingly hard time not running revolver on everything

its just so fucking fun

[lunar hollow]

ive never met an agri shotgun user who did anything besides allegedly play the same match as me

[spice veldt]

as long as it kills specials, i'm fine with any ranged weapon

[unreal wasp]

Like my favorite weapon to use is the slab shield, at least after they buffed it, and I don't feel like it's too slow

[spice veldt]

agri is slow on the slug loading, but it's good nuff until I miss a single slug shot

[lunar hollow]

every time i watch an agri user play its 5 second of aiming half a second of missing the shot

[spice veldt]

smh

[thorn cedar]

i watched an actual hacker use it

and his lack of any discipline meant he still sucked

[spice veldt]

i did notice the absolute lack of cleave on the agri's slug shot compared to the revolver, so my shots tended to get blocked by teammates at times

[thorn cedar]

its still a shotgun with fall off damage, so even never missing any shot and always landing headshots, you should use your head lol

yea the agri, idk

still lower than the LB in my eyes

i have fun with it, but that's it

[lunar hollow]

agri is a vet weapon and at most an okay one at that

[thorn cedar]

ye

[lunar hollow]

u can do some degenerate things with manstopper

[thorn cedar]

i love flicking shells into the tube like im a junkie loading his fix

but other than that

[unreal wasp]

Standing at a ledge that you aren't able to jump down from without dying, aiming at an enemy on a bridge ahead and below, teammates walk in front of you and block the slug

[thorn cedar]

its a bad shotgun masquerading as a medicore rifle

that said doming a flamer with the slug and seeing them backflip to death is mighty cathartic

[unreal wasp]

And then they don't even shoot the enemy you're trying to hit, they're just standing there, looking at it, with their melee weapon out

[thorn cedar]

revolver supremacy

join us in the school of yeehaw

[unreal wasp]

Think I like revolver a lot more on Psyker than Vet

Even though I like playing melee vet

I like playing melee in general

[spice veldt]

agri's slug does one-shot trappers on a bodyshot and flamers with a headshot which was nice to me

i'm not brave enough to attempt hishock with it yet though

[lunar hollow]

vet has this absolutely stupid build u can do

with a reload speed perk, speedload, and the reload feats

like 80% reload speed on revolver

[thorn cedar]

yea you can get that bullet in real quick

Outside of missing your volley fire is gonna stay up

[unreal wasp]

Ogryn revolver when

[thorn cedar]

i just picture the ogryn trying to be fancy about saving the unspent rounds in the cylinder, being unsure how many he even fired, and then just dumping everything

[unreal wasp]

Speaking of, still find holding in the bullets you have left, changing depending on how many you have left, is an awesome touch that makes the revolver that much more fun to use

Still need this as a revolver skin

[spice veldt]

i'll prob like the heavier variants of the revolver that will presumably be able to hit the nuttier breakpoints

[lunar hollow]

getting real deep in the jar

[spice veldt]

that is a horrible sentence

don't remind me of it

[thorn cedar]

same tho tbh

[lunar hollow]

im sorry

i had to

[thorn cedar]

if we can build one for unyielding and carapace

[unreal wasp]

They're going to add other variants of the revolver? Haven't thought about that even though the skins have a different shape

[thorn cedar]

omg what if it just demolishes monstrosities

this town aint big enuff for the two of us, chaos spawn

-misses all three shots, spends ten seconds reloading the elephantine bullets-

[vast sky]

I'd like to do the Cliffhanger penance, anyone interested? Just need to wait for a horde at the begenning of Chasm Logistratum.

[lunar hollow]

if the skins show a different model, there's a big likelyhood there will be more variants

[spice veldt]

i think out current revolver is at most the medium variant

[lunar hollow]

old obscurus had some skins with an illisi model iirc

[lunar hollow]

plasma has skins with different vents and stuff

the only exception is some of the premium options i wouldnt assume are different weapons

[spice veldt]

the grumm looks like the heaviest and the quickdraw being the lightest

[unreal wasp]

HOO, look at the barrel on that third one

Chonk can't be the actual name for the second revolver

Ain't no way

[spice veldt]

probably not but it would be funny

the chonk

[unreal wasp]

Surprised the third one isn't the Chonk

[lunar hollow]

mk1v chungus

[unreal wasp]

Just realised, it says MK"1V" not Mk IV

1 Volt revolver