psyker-class

[fresh reef]

You could still run that. Warp res doesn't effect peril blocking does it?

[plucky flax]

No it's just from 0 peril I can only do 4 specials.

My current sword can do 8.

So special spam is a lot weaker.

[fresh reef]

Real talk, what are you trying to murk that takes 8 consecutive Illisi specials?

[spice veldt]

a horde or a group of ragers/maulers

special spam is the best for both of those situations

the former, because of sheer hordeclear DPS, and the latter, because of the stagger

or when you're diving a ranged patrol and need to spam specials to regen more toughness than you lose, esp with warp absorption

or killing reapers, since illisi's special deals 1.75x to Unyielding

[fresh reef]

Maybe I spam special more than I think I do, idk

Swap between Illisi and Mk5 Dueling Sword pretty regularly

[spice veldt]

and assuming no battle meditation procs and 80% quell speed on your staff (and quelling from 100% peril), every 12.31% peril is 0.25 seconds of downtime

it's why I think that low warp res illisis are a bit of meme beyond peril generation for Quietitude, but you could also just use a Deimos with 0% warp res or some shit, since the Illisi has basically the same normals as the Obscurus

[plucky flax]

Don't worry I made it into my light spam sword.

🙂

[spice veldt]

i can't believe they let people like you roam free in society

[plucky flax]

Tru dat

[plucky flax]

Top frags top plasteels sword is confirmed OP.

[spice veldt]

98.7k melee dmg and 236.4k ranged

0/10

[plucky flax]

Not my fault blaze trauma is op.

[lyric burrow]

Actually you could use this to advertise against light spam illisi

[plucky flax]

No light spam is really good.

[lyric burrow]

Also yeah illisi High res or low res is preference

Max horde clear would be low res whereas i like low warp res to get a lot out of quiettude and unstable

/just staying high peril generally

[spice veldt]

being able to spam the special is going to be more worth it than the peril generation in terms of hordeclear DPS

here are some numbers on poxwalkers that are stacked on top of each other without any buffs

[lyric burrow]

Tbf ive never had issue with horde clear even with low warp res

[spice veldt]

light spam is good

but special spam is gooder

and even with an 80% warp res sword, battle meditation won't proc that much except against a groaner horde where you're just going to one-shot 26 of their asses (w/ unstable)

and beyond the hordeclear, being able to continuously chain them to repeatedly stagger ragers/maulers is very nice

[lyric burrow]

Like i cant spam the special as much but i find l1 h1 fills its place fine till i can special again

[spice veldt]

yeah it's fine

but it can be better

i'm not saying that normal spam doesn't work

[lyric burrow]

But for raw horde clear ill admit that low warp res is better

[spice veldt]

but special spam is markedly better

[lyric burrow]

Im just a degenerate

Yeah ill special spam as often as i can

It is very broken

[spice veldt]

and you can do that even more with a higher warp res

[lyric burrow]

I also dont trust my luck to get a good high warp res illisi

Had to dump all my resources to get my low warp res one

So you think high res is just better

[spice veldt]

and it should be noted that if you have max slaughterer stacks and 4 warp charges, the ratio between 0% peril and 100% peril with Warp Unleashed and Unstable Power is roughly 1.25x damage

[spice veldt]

straight up better for the majority of situations

it's why I remark that you really only want low warp res for quietitude

[lyric burrow]

Well i do run quietitude

[spice veldt]

and that's fine

but in terms of hordeclear and being able to repeatedly stagger maulers/ragers

high warp res is just desirable

[lyric burrow]

Hm

Guess i can look for a high warp res one

[spice veldt]

it's why i ran a 60% warp res illisi until i swapped to warp absorption

where i'm currently running a 75% warp res illisi

[lyric burrow]

Although for ragers i usually do one light one heavy

And there dead

Special that is

Yeah i run like a 35% warp res lol

[spice veldt]

if I have some slaughterer stacks and they're the last rager alive, I can afford to special and normal heavy them

with quietitude and depending on how many specials you need to reach 100% peril, this is how much toughness that you're going to regen from quietitude per second (on average)

e.g., it takes 2.25 seconds to quell from 100% peril to 0%
and an illisi special takes ~0.7 seconds to activate until you are actionable again

so doing some loose math,
if you need 5 specials (between 51% to 63% warp res), you'll take 11.5 seconds to regen back to 100%

if you need 4 specials (between 30% to 50% peril), you'll take 10.1 seconds
if you need 3 specials (between 0% to 29% peril), you'll take 8.7 seconds

and it'll be a 1.4 second difference each time you need one more or less special to reach 100% toughness

[lunar hollow]

there's this dumb interaction where i think with 6 charpes/warp unleashed/unstable/max peril/full slaught stacks you can 1 shot a maniac rager with a crit heavy headshot

without the special active

[spice veldt]

probably

i think i've done that with the pre-nerf bloodthirsty obscurus

[lunar hollow]

i did some manual testing in the psykh instead of looking at the calc

[spice veldt]

maybe not

[lunar hollow]

since WU/charges dont show up

guess i should also mention i had flak/maniac for perks

[spice veldt]

i think it's fairly close but not doable

ragers having 1350 hp

oh wait the +10% elite damage

[boreal wave]

Since we're talking about the illisi: I usually spam special heavy attacks. Is special light more efficient?

[spice veldt]

i haven't really compared special-lights and special-heavies, but I assume that they're similar

with the downside of special-lights having less damage compared to the peril generated

[lyric burrow]

I think special heavy is slightly better

[spice veldt]

I only special-light against ragers to keep them continuously staggered

[boreal wave]

I use the heavy because I figured the straight horizontal cut gets more in a single slash

[spice veldt]

since special-heavies just take a little bit too long and they'll be able to do a swipe at you, which can also knock you out of your heavy since force swords heavies are Interruptible

[lunar hollow]

since i cant remember the numbers for the different modifiers off the top of my head are you factoring in the extra finesse modifier from the finesse stat (since it applies to normals)

[spice veldt]

OH FUCK THE CRITS

[boreal wave]

But I DO have problems with ragers so I'll try special light against them

[lunar hollow]

dummy

[spice veldt]

oh you can definitely do it

alright, I'm not gaslighting myself then

[lunar hollow]

lol

[spice veldt]

i think i did have a video of my one-shotting a rager with a crit obscurus

lez see

[plucky flax]

Wut how is low warp res better for horde clear?

[spice veldt]

nvm my demonstration was with the special-light of the obscurus

i think crit normals (with +power%) also have the advantage of staggering dreg ragers (if they're not doing their stupid ass combo that has stagger res)

[plucky flax]

Bit more melee kills here on this one.

[spice veldt]

0.1/10

[plucky flax]

I'll keep the low warp res sword to pair with trauma. When I play surge though I use melee way more so I'll use my old sword for that load out.

[spice veldt]

i wish i didn't delete all of my old videos

with bloodthirsty obscurus

[plucky flax]

That guy Root was using surge. He got 333 range kills.

[lyric burrow]

I meant high lol

[plucky flax]

Guy must have a really strong surge.

[spice veldt]

op

104 melee kills and 314 melee lessers killed 🤔

[plucky flax]

DarthBlueSocks was using purga.

Melee kills = kill made with sword.

Lesser melees = melee non elites enemies.

Like bruisers.

[spice veldt]

so purgatus has less hordeclear than the surge

:)

[plucky flax]

Yeah surge is confirmed super op.

[spice veldt]

i wonder how well the surge does on the Only Scab maelstroms

[plucky flax]

Really really well.

[spice veldt]

that's nice to know

[plucky flax]

You can spam surge and win.

Make the maulers and ragers dance and kill them so fast it's actually disgusting.

[spice veldt]

an old video demo-ing bloodthirsty obscurus https://streamable.com/3qzwdo

note the sluggish quell speeds

[lyric burrow]

Is bloodthirsty worth using on illisi at all

I got it a while back and only used it for the meme build

[lunar hollow]

you know shit be real when the video has the old blessing icons mod

[plucky flax]

No slaughterer is just better.

75% damage >>>>> crit.

[lyric burrow]

I forgot you used to not be able to see blessings

Well yeah ik its not worth over slaught lol

[spice veldt]

when compared to unstable power, bloodthirsty is either equivalent or better

[lyric burrow]

Nothing is

[spice veldt]

though I don't like the kill condition on bloodthirsty

[lyric burrow]

Unstable would be easier to set up wouldnt it

[spice veldt]

but with how I'm running a high warp res illisi, I think i'm starting to come around to bloodthirsty

[plucky flax]

If you wanna play a good meme play slaughterer shred and light spam.

That's actually really good.

[spice veldt]

the main problem is getting a good illisi and bloodthirsty on it

[lunar hollow]

my "never replacing this shit till they fix finesse" illisi has slaught 4 locked in

i am free to do as i please with it 🙂

[spice veldt]

here's a mathy comparison between unstable power and bloodthirsty on illisi's special attacks

so if you can get a kill with each special, bloodthirsty is going to be straight up better

but unstable power is a bit more generalist, so I like it for that

[plucky flax]

High rolls with bloodthirsty.

[lyric burrow]

Also what peril do you need to be at to 2 shot a mutant

[spice veldt]

if you hit the weakspots both times, you shouldn't need that much peril i think

[lyric burrow]

Normally id just do it at 90% and then 100% peril

[spice veldt]

If you hit one weakspot and one bodyshot with special-heavies, then you need like 60%?

lemme search it up

[lyric burrow]

But if im swapping to hi res i wanna know if i need to hella spam specials for peril or not a huge deal

[spice veldt]

damn i forgot if i had this discussion on reddit or discord

i think it was on reddit actually

[lyric burrow]

With unstable ofc

[spice veldt]

oh yeah it's exactly 60% peril, assuming perfect stats, t4 unstable, 4 warp charges, and warp unleashed

if you hit a weakspot and bodyshot on a mutant with special-heavies both times

though you can finish off a mutant with a normal heavy if needed

[lyric burrow]

Ok so 6 warp charges makes it a little more lenient

If i dont get 80/80/80

Slaughterer as well

[plucky flax]

Surge against 4 maulers 4 scab ragers no warp charges. @spice veldt It's op.

[spice veldt]

op

time to nerf

[boreal wave]

Not sure if I'd call that OP

[spice veldt]

don't worry, it's just a bit that selfish likes to do

[plucky flax]

It is in the scab only special modifier.

Big damage against flak.

[spice veldt]

not op but still pretty good, compared to its normal performance against other enemies

[boreal wave]

Yeah, it does great against armored.

[spice veldt]

i'd still prefer the trauma, but the damage is there at least against scabs

[plucky flax]

Enemies are not that numourous in that modifier I don't like using trauma.

Either purga or surge for the cc spam.

[spice veldt]

i'm always paranoid of the 10 crusher patrol

and the total lack of bolters on my team

[plucky flax]

Tru lots of crushers there.

[spice veldt]

trust no one

[boreal wave]

Never been able to get trauma to work out for me.

[plucky flax]

I recommend blaze trauma but it's really hard to make a good one.

[spice veldt]

it's a staff that's finicky to use and has really hard stat scaling

[plucky flax]

You need high modifiers + exact perks and blessings.

[spice veldt]

like, charge rate alone scales from 2.5 seconds to 1 second

so that's a 250% difference from a single stat alone

[boreal wave]

I love it's theme. I like magic that just makes an explosion with no projectile.

[plucky flax]

I make so many and my current one can be improved by a lot. 😦

[spice veldt]

it's so silly that trauma is the first force staff that psykers unlock

when it should be the final staff to unlock

[boreal wave]

Especially considering that the promotional material mostly showed off the purge staff

[spice veldt]

voidstrike -> surge -> purge -> trauma would be my personal ordering of the unlocks if I were in charge of it (or voidstrike -> purge)

[plucky flax]

80% damage, charge rate, blast radius and bump quell speed to 73% would be cool. Also 25% flak damage.

[boreal wave]

Gee it's almost like the crafting system would be better with no locks.

[spice veldt]

my current trauma 🥲

[lyric burrow]

Idk how fatshark expects you to use a 23% warp res and 20% blast radius trauma

[plucky flax]

Yeah I got a really really good base trauma. If they let me reroll 3 stats would be more than fine already.

Don't even have to fully remove locks.

Just let us change 3...

[spice veldt]

or let us pay a cost to unlock it (cough cough diamantine)

[lyric burrow]

Yeah thats the ideal solution

Imo

[spice veldt]

like we're already getting the mats

just that there is literally nowhere for the diamantine to go

[lyric burrow]

Your still working for it that way too

[boreal wave]

Imo we're already spending resources and that should be the control. Or make us able to change each aspect, but lock it after it's changed so we still need to roll more items as the meta changes.

[plucky flax]

This is the one.. The modifiers are so nice but it's RIP for blaze trauma build. 3 stats change would make it perfect for me.

[spice veldt]

ikr

i have so many 60% damage trauma staffs that do not have the perks or blessings I want

there's another one that rolled transfer peril AND surge

[plucky flax]

Why do you want low damage.

[spice veldt]

cuz i want high warp res and quell speed

[plucky flax]

Since you tried to make so many trauma staff check if you have any decent one you can make into blaze?

[spice veldt]

i think i might

lemme see

[plucky flax]

It's way better than rending warp flurry.

[inland sand]

I doubt that

[boreal wave]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-shapiro-walking-gif-21499133

Arcotash explaining stats

[spice veldt]

i do have a streamable video that's titled like "owned with FACTS and LOGIC"

no wait, it's SKILLS and LOGIC

[boreal wave]

Oh my word lol

[spice veldt]

that was just a demonstration of how brainless spamming infinite dodges is

and how stupid it is

[spice veldt]

better in a pub game

i like my focused channeling over rending shockwave specifically for that reason

to spec my trauma into more of an anti-ranged weapon

[lyric burrow]

Infinite dodges is really fun

But its so dumb

[spice veldt]

ikr

[plucky flax]

I already anti range with my blaze trauma.

[spice veldt]

they could've given it like 5 dodges

and no one would bat an eye

and it would still be really good

[lyric burrow]

Even with 5 i dont really run out

Unless im in a super shit spot

[spice veldt]

i think the hsword has something like 5 dodges and it already feels fine

but infinite dodges is just so brainless and stupi

d

zero penalty for dodge-sliding

like actually

[lyric burrow]

I press space bar more than mouse when horde clearing

[spice veldt]

lmao

actually true

[lyric burrow]

And i can dodge slide forever

[spice veldt]

ACTUALLY TRUE WITH SPECIAL SPAM

[lyric burrow]

Yeah

And again its not like i run out of dodges on other weapons

[spice veldt]

there are some spots where I really appreciate being able to sprint-slide with trauma just to reach a ranged patrol

[lyric burrow]

I do run out of dodge slides on bb sometimes

[spice veldt]

and the general nature of not being knocked out of your sprint

it's zealot's TWBS but at home

[plucky flax]

I never needed twbs.

[spice veldt]

not needed but it's very nice

[plucky flax]

I think only noobs use that real pros like me use holy rev and face tank.

2k+ damaga taken 0 heal station used.

[spice veldt]

yeah i use holy rev, though i also use hsword for the most part

[plucky flax]

I want illisi to have more cleave for easier light spam.

Make it more like heavy sword.

[spice veldt]

🙂

i was in for a culture shock when i used the hsword

[plucky flax]

Give it 4 cleaves. So with 75% power it's 7 cleaves.

Seems fair.

[spice veldt]

cuz I actually have to alternate between lights and heavies depending on the enemy density and armour type

unlike force swords which have stupid good armour modifiers

still brainless but there's still that modicum of brainpower needed

[plucky flax]

If it's a dense mixed horde it's better to just light spam with heavy sword. If you can hit the elite first target then heavy mix is good.

[spice veldt]

oh yeah there's already a way of nerfing weapons against certain enemy types in the form of armour types

[plucky flax]

Speaking about mk9 cos it's just better in every way than the other 2.

[spice veldt]

nerf armour mods on force swords pls

ye

when there was trash and some scab bruisers mixed in, light spam did all the work

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i just light spam with hsword

Works even on mk6

[plucky flax]

Play antax on preacher with headtaker decimator.

If you enjoy visceral no cleaves melee gaming.

[lyric burrow]

Ive used it on vet

Not zealot yet

Although I like rashaad more

[plucky flax]

I purely use antax because it mine has 79% cleave targets so it can cleave 2 with 75% power.

Also antax has way stronger push attack so I can actually clear horde without bm.

[lyric burrow]

Iirc the advantage to rashaad is finesse being better

But antax has better attack pattern

[spice veldt]

attack-wise, it's only the push-attack that differs right

[plucky flax]

Yeah.

Faster + more damage.

And it has a tiny bit of cleave.

But less headshot damage.

[urban hearth]

which spicy stick do we reckon

[plucky flax]

I'm just gonna block people who don't do objectives at end events from now on.

🙂

[echo sigil]

Had something happen like that in hab dreyko once. It took a whole 20 minutes to compleet it cause everyone kept fighting. I could have done it myself, but my team mates were just killing stuff in the first event and i had to do the scanning solo. So i did an expirement for the second event.

[plucky flax]

Yeah it was hab dreyko just now for me.

They scan at first event but always at end event they just camp near the door and let me do scanning solo.

I flamed them and they have the gall to flame back.

[spice veldt]

having to run from side to side just to do all the scans

top 10 reasons to bring the trauma staff

[plucky flax]

I was like bruh.. and that was it.

[spice veldt]

I refuse to play Hab Dreyko without it

[plucky flax]

I was playing gun psyker just now.

[spice veldt]

ess emm ache

you can get by with pushes and dodging while scanning to some extent

[plucky flax]

With old high warp resis sword.

[spice veldt]

i had a nice sequence of scans where I did that and didn't need trauma

[plucky flax]

I did have a good clip though of why you might need to spam 10+ specials in a row for that guy earlier.

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

special spam propaganda

[plucky flax]

But yeah ended up blocking 2 guys after that run.

Soon there'll be no one left on EU for me to play with.

[spice veldt]

tru

[plucky flax]

Time to queue US east.

[spice veldt]

I legitimately do not see that many psyker's on na west anymore

[plucky flax]

I wouldn't mind multi server queuing.

[spice veldt]

cuz I have a lot of them blocked

[plucky flax]

US east give me 130 ping which is rough but playable.

US west though it's rip.

[spice veldt]

yeah, esp when player counts are low

I suppose that I can stop blocking psyker's, since I plan on playing vet more

and I can just pew pew

[plucky flax]

I don't block class I block the player(s) due to their attitude.

[spice veldt]

I basically block playstyles

if you use explosive weapons/surge and don't melee often, then you're getting blocked

[lunar hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boondocks-uncle-ruckus-interview-gif-3524043

[spice veldt]

shut up

:(

I can tolerate it, but they often just end up spamming it on me

and I had a trauma Psyker who landed their circle on me when I was on my vet and meleeing

which was so insanely tilting

[plucky flax]

When you need to spam 10+ specials in a row.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlyPFSUX-mk

[olive ember]

my man doing the unoptimal lmb spam

instead of the optimal heavy-light

smh

I can't believe it

[plucky flax]

No light spam is the best.

Heavy light repeat is for chumps.

[lyric burrow]

What's the special for then

[plucky flax]

Anti thicc bois

[digital loom]

i use deimos because i dont use my melee for hordes like a smooth brain on psyker

[lyric burrow]

Tbf deimos can horde clear

[digital loom]

tbf everything can horde clear

[lyric burrow]

I mean like technically

But deimos does it well

[languid pasture]

deimos is cool because it's shaped like an arrow

[near wyvern]

Arrow?

More like a you know what

[languid pasture]

Not everyone’s is shaped like an arrow

Some soldiers do not wear helmets

[hidden crystal]

I often end up following around someone who's scanning rather than doing it myself, but I'm going to claim that's still being useful.

[zinc phoenix]

IMO it is, getting bonked mid scan is the worst

[plucky flax]

My question is why don't you do it too? End event at hab dreyko usually have scanning targets on both sides of the room. Even if you follow the person scanning you can still scan the nearby targets, or just go to the opposite side to get it done asap before the horde become too much.

[autumn smelt]

is it just my skill issue or should enemies actually be bound by the laws of physics?

i just had a dog physically phase directly through the center of a plague ogryns chest, and a horde, to pounce on me

and i think thats kinda dumb

[lyric burrow]

Dogs dont work

Ill give you dog jank as non skill issue

I once had one throw me off a ledge cause he jumped at someone else and was within my zip code so i got skated back

[autumn smelt]

trappers nets also have the same issues

ive been netted through solid wall many times

[hidden crystal]

I said often, not always. If I have an opening, then I'll try to scan other objects nearby, but generally I find we make better time of it when one person can just get on with it uninterrupted rather than two people separately trying to multi-task.

[slate sun]

Do you guys think I can leave it as is ? Any advice what to change ?
I'd appreciate any advice, I'm new to gun psyker

[hidden crystal]

I don't personally play shredder gunpsyker, but I'm lead to believe that reload boosts are fairly unnecessary (it already reloads fast enough to maintain pinning fire) and its maniac damage is already fairly high.

[kindred chasm]

i’d probably rr speed load to blaze away and groaners to flak

[hidden crystal]

Unfortunately not an option, one of its modifications has already been used.

[harsh urchin]

speedload -> either inspiring barrage or blaze away, groaners/pox ->flak

[kindred chasm]

oof seeing the symbol now. still not clocking that yet

[harsh urchin]

oh

you've already modded it

[kindred chasm]

i’d probably swap the blessing then

[harsh urchin]

in that case I would recommend just swapping perk

and leaving blessing

flak+maniac+PF is better than double blessing on autopistol.

[slate sun]

sooo sub optimal anyway

[kindred chasm]

blaze away will do more for the gun universally than 25% flak will specifically

[slate sun]

[harsh urchin]

nah I think 25% flak will be better

[harsh urchin]

not perfect but I think it's good enough to use

[kindred chasm]

power% increase will increase damage of existing soul blaze stacks and getting to the max of 50% increased power on blaze away takes not long

counter that to 25% only on flak i’m really not sure how that would go further comparatively

[harsh urchin]

best in slot autopistol looks like this or this:

I personally prefer inspiring barrage cuz blaze away is pretty bad after the nerfs

[harsh urchin]

ya I'm not here to argue. but post-nerf BA is pretty gimped

listen to me if you think i'm right

listen to him if you think he's right

[slate sun]

how about cavalcade ?

[harsh urchin]

the weapon is overpowered anyways

caval is shit

[slate sun]

😄

[kindred chasm]

i am also here to learn, bizarrely enough

[harsh urchin]

the important things are PF

and the 2 perks

which lets you kill high prio targets

[harsh urchin]

yeah so the reason BA was so good before

was because you could tap tap tap shooters

since it was based on "time spent firing"

you can easily tap tap tap up to the 50% power boost without spending a whole lot of ammo

post-nerf, in order to get up to 50% power boost, you need to mag dump half your ammo

which is 27-28 shots on a high quality weapon

[olive ember]

https://www.pcgamer.com/i-dont-think-players-expect-this-warhammer-40k-darktide-is-adding-rpg-style-skill-trees-full-of-new-abilities-to-its-4-classes/

[kindred chasm]

if we’re comparing perk stats though it’s only 20% of mag to approach matching a perk stat, and most people magdump auto pistol

[olive ember]

Everyone's talking about it but might as well post it in psyker chat

cuz

idk in case someone here doesn't leave psyker chat lmao

[kindred chasm]

that said that is kind of more beside the point for psykers i thought? i thought the intention with the auto pistol was to abuse power% increase

i’m not psyker main by any stretch i just thought that was the tech to abuse

[harsh urchin]

it's not because you already have 100% power from PF

so you're effectively getting half value from power

[slate sun]

do you know if raking fire works at all ?

[kindred chasm]

how does power% work wrt being at 100? can it go past it or no?

[harsh urchin]

you go up to 150

but you get less value out of it

due to how math works

also, just because bad players magdump the autopistol doesn't mean everyone should build it that way lol

at least in harder missions you often have to manage team ammo a bit

if you don't get lucky with ammo crate drops

[harsh urchin]

it's not great, but better than a dead blessing

[kindred chasm]

i don’t really think there’s anything inherently wrong with magdumping assuming you’re not doing it all the time and hoovering ammo to the detriment of the team, but i see we’re getting a little condescending here for some reason so i’d be more than happy to leave the topic where it is 👍

[slate sun]

so this one should be better right? If I change either blessing for pinning fire, then unarmored to fak?

[harsh urchin]

i would use the first one you showed

pinning fire + maniac + flak

[slate sun]

thx 🙂 I'll give it a go

the gun feels ... awkward after playing with a stick for so long

[manic halo]

Imma so rock that shield talent

ON GOD

Fuck brain burts

[hidden crystal]

Melk was apparently feeling generous today. I mean, it'd be a little nicer if the "dump" was mobility rather than stopping power, but good stats and an ideal T4 in both blessings and perks.

(Also snagged T4 Brutal Momentum for Tactical Axes)

[manic halo]

Psykers powers always felt like a let down if im being real. They can do so mmuch in lore and all I can do is give people strokes?

Bubble shields gonna be dope

[ornate hamlet]

Granted they also need to still go in line with "man with gun", "man who shouts" and "man who can't read but wants to"

[wheat wren]

Wild fire still broken?

[fossil breach]

Cl

[vestal stirrup]

Did I hear that we were getting new abilities?

[rocky cedar]

Everyone is

https://www.pcgamer.com/i-dont-think-players-expect-this-warhammer-40k-darktide-is-adding-rpg-style-skill-trees-full-of-new-abilities-to-its-4-classes/

Psychic shield and psychic shard both sound fun

[vestal stirrup]

Man I am

So upset execs rushed the game’s development

[rocky cedar]

Eh I've had fun playing the game with breaks in between

Last patch was fantastic

This upcoming patch looks great too

[vestal stirrup]

Yeah, but just image we got all of this stuff

But at launch

[rocky cedar]

The game still wouldn't have launched yet and FS would probably be having financial issues with no revenue for so long

I just don't think that's how reality works

[vestal stirrup]

Ah that is true

[rocky cedar]

Also everyone would be seething about delay after delay

Psyker bubble shield sounds so fun I'm hype for that

Also wondering if the flexibility of that skill tree will allow wonky stuff like getting all toughness feats at the cost of offence

If you haven't seen the tree:

[upper galleon]

that's zealot tree

[rocky cedar]

I'm aware

I've only seen one image of new trees

And I'm assuming the general structure is the same across characters

So it works as a general reference

[viral solstice]

vet tree is shaped like a gun

[rocky cedar]

So happy to see you're still extremely online crab

Been a while since I dropped into this server

[viral solstice]

i left and came back (like jesus except unlike him i aint a bitch so im not dead)

[spice veldt]

holy shit I took a nap and some new hot info dropped

[rocky cedar]

So this seems a lot like new subclasses for free all wrapped up in a giant skill trees

I mean we have alternate blitz and ults and everything

[viral solstice]

yes

its literally all the content of the subclasses

rolle into a single coherent container

instead of reinventing the wheel to have 9 different toughness regen feats on vet

[rocky cedar]

That's honestly incredibly cool of them

[spice veldt]

yeah that makes sense

[viral solstice]

u just fit all of it into one tree and spread out the flavours

[rocky cedar]

I never thought we'd be getting subclasses for free

[spice veldt]

man that is nice

[viral solstice]

also

and this is something HUGE

that people haven't thought about

in the game as it stands

all talents and feats have to be balanced against the others on their tier

because u can only pick one

in this u can pick as many of any as u like

except for blitz, skill, ult

[spice veldt]

HOO

[rocky cedar]

Yeah I was thinking about that too

[viral solstice]

so u can take... all of the toughness regen feats

or just 1

u can just take every single defensive passive and not even go to end of tree

be thicc as fuck

[rocky cedar]

Yeah give up the end of the tree for disgusting toughness gen

[spice veldt]

warp absorption + quietitude

[viral solstice]

also another thing

[rocky cedar]

Yeah actually gross possibilities

[viral solstice]

those nodes u path through

what kinds of thing might they be

lil passive bonuses right

like +1 stam, 20 toughness, say

so u actually can spec into ur base stats

[rocky cedar]

Yeah I'm wondering if there'll be crossover with perks

[viral solstice]

opposite

this is base stats

what the perks operate on

[rocky cedar]

Like +5-10% maniac damage or something

[spice veldt]

0 base stamina psyker

[rocky cedar]

What's your basis for that?

[viral solstice]

what else could the connecting nodes be

they gotta be passives right

yeees

[spice veldt]

hmm, the fact that curios give a relative increase to your health and toughness will now be alot more interesting now that our base flat stats can vary a lot

[tired estuary]

can't wait to see even worse builds consistently in pubs

[spice veldt]

nooo

[rocky cedar]

Again they could be additional perks not base stats

We'll see

[viral solstice]

im running devil claw in monstrous maelstroms with no wounds and no hp on vet im going to inflict the most deranged shit

known to man

on u ppl

[tired estuary]

nah real talk at least stubbergryns can build into their garbage and such, its just a net positive

[rocky cedar]

Hey now at least shieldgryns can take a taunt skill and die even quicker

That'll be a real time save

[spice veldt]

i can't wait to minmax into the most stupid shit ever

[tired estuary]

shieldgryn taunting 3 poxwalkers while I'm mobbed by crushers 20 ft away

camo vet going full glass cannon and being instagibbed when they're 10 ft away from a teammate

Its gonna be sick

[rocky cedar]

I hope Zealot has a full speed option

[tired estuary]

yes please

[rocky cedar]

So I can run away from my team even faster

[viral solstice]

i hope zealot has a way to be 100% useless

[tired estuary]

*so I can get ammo before shredderheads steal it again

[viral solstice]

ill do it

[rocky cedar]

Maybe we can truely be ninja with HS now crab

Go vroom

[tired estuary]

all impact + health evis build idk

[viral solstice]

its too late

[spice veldt]

is ult cooldown part of the passives

[viral solstice]

im already changing my zealots name to naruto

[spice veldt]

ult cooldown better be so that I can just spam my ult to hell

[obsidian girder]

are there any notable surge staff builds?

i wanna use the palpatine zappy hands

[rocky cedar]

Oh shit you made me realise

Can we make thunder sword sillier?

I hope so

I want to do 0 damage but stagger crushers

With light attacks

[spice veldt]

terrifying

[rocky cedar]

Oh yeah that skill also sounds fun as hell

[spice veldt]

surge builds are primarily melee/brainburst builds, since you don't really need to build around the surge staff for the most part

[rocky cedar]

Full lightning build let's go

[obsidian girder]

oh word, i already have a good brainburst build i use with my trauma staff lol

how would one make a melee build though?

[viral solstice]

equip force sword

hit ppl with it

[obsidian girder]

oh

bet

[spice veldt]

basically that

[obsidian girder]

draws illisi with malicious intent

[rocky cedar]

Oh I thought y'all were talking about the new blitz skill lol

[obsidian girder]

no i was talking the staff lol

[spice veldt]

you're living in 2050 while we're still in the 1900s

slow down

[rocky cedar]

[spice veldt]

WOOOO

[rocky cedar]

Yeah two months is a while

Hope they feed us some more info along the way

[obsidian girder]

as soon as i started bitching at brunt in my head he gave me a good staff

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1pnhbplArG6wOE/d13379ADc2Ih?invite=cr-MSw5eU0sMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[obsidian girder]

just psyker things

[viral solstice]

force sword is like bad devil claw tbh

i hope they buff it

[spice veldt]

please don't pull a darcy

[viral solstice]

u think i would joke

about devil claw

i use that shit religiously

[spice veldt]

no sry

[viral solstice]

[rocky cedar]

So this is what you turned to after they fixed Rashad

[obsidian girder]

yeah but why would i use normal metal stick if i could use glowing metal stick

[viral solstice]

ive been using devil claw since beta just because its got a parry and i love parries

pary

u can parry tentacle

[rocky cedar]

What do you reckon is the best MK Crab?

[viral solstice]

1 is literally useless - no strikedown heavy - 7 is jank but i use it cos its funny, IV has immediate strikedown heavy and is not jank

[rocky cedar]

Ok yeah my instinct was always that IV is clear best

But I often saw pictures of people's I's and VII's and wondered if I was missing something

IV is a little jank actually

If only for its third light attack really having strike down properties

Despite looking basically the same as the rest of the light combo

[viral solstice]

thats not jank

thats a key feature

because that l3 is the chain out of the riposte

doe sit make sense no

but hey

[rocky cedar]

It also makes the l3 heavy rotation feel more like it's actually killing shit occasionally

Which I appreciate

It's just bizarre is all

[viral solstice]

but dc7 has an optimal damage rotation involving a push attack

unusable jank i appreciate it

[rocky cedar]

Hey on Psyker you get to be as reckless with stamina as you like

That's like half the charm of the class for me

[loud garnet]

Beautiful..

[spice veldt]

on my way to build for +0 toughness and hp and rely purely on the shield

[rocky cedar]

Wait where TF you get that image from

[loud garnet]

Ah its from reddit!

@rocky cedar

https://www.pcgamer.com/i-dont-think-players-expect-this-warhammer-40k-darktide-is-adding-rpg-style-skill-trees-full-of-new-abilities-to-its-4-classes/

There we go!

[crude cape]

how is this? its not 300 dmg in the heavy weakspot for most things, which i know is important for illisi but ok to not have for deimos bc its not a sweeping heavy right?

not sure what happened to the 2nd screenshot

[tired estuary]

no all its heavy dmg is tied to its 2nd heavy, you really want high finesse for it

also, maelstrom rewards are my passion

[spice veldt]

finesse is probably less important on the illisi though still important

and for the deimos where you're using the normal attacks, finesse is going to be important

[slow raven]

what does 300 damage on heavy weakspot do for the illisi?

[hidden crystal]

One shotting poxwalkers on Damn, I would assume.

Scab shooters too, I think.

[spice veldt]

what the hell is with darktide giving me really nice dclaws

i swear to god that they are by far the weapon family with the best stat rolls from the requisition

well i suppose there will probably be some rebalancing in the future

hmmm

[rocky cedar]

I read that, guess I just missed that one image

[loud garnet]

Aha

[lilac mirage]

Surge or purgatus for High Intensity Hunting Ground

[pearl crest]

surge is what I'd pick

gives your teammates more breathing room

[regal jasper]

Voidstrike go boom

[pearl crest]

ogryn psyker

[regal jasper]

I take that as a compliment

[near wyvern]

I hope this is the reason they haven't really touched feats and why they haven't added any subclasses. Seems pretty Major. I expect it to arrive with a horde of bugs.

[rocky cedar]

I think it's all but certain that's exactly why yeah

This is subclasses

All in one tree

You can bet a lot of the feats that get transferred over into the new system get a balance pass too

[brazen warren]

looks neat, ogryn rock go brrr

[worldly iron]

guys any tips on what map to use for Penances for Psyker?

Cliffhanger and Pick N Mix is annoying

[plucky flax]

Play shock troops or high int for pick n mix. Cliffhanger can be done at end event of vigil station when mobs cross the small bridge to the scan station.

[magic hull]

bruh momentum

[spice veldt]

commsplex's midevent has guaranteed spawns of shotgunners/gunners in groups for pick n' mix
I got my cliffhanger at vigil station oblivium's finale

[worldly iron]

@plucky flax @spice veldt thanks guys

@magic hull that happened to me too. I somehow activated that bug with Surge staff when Mutants or Hounds would climb higher ledges

If you timed it right, they get stuck in that animation but its difficult to activate

[fringe tangle]

So Psyker turns into gunner from DRG

[warm mica]

Where did you find this information?

[autumn smelt]

just google darktide and click on the news tab

[fringe tangle]

https://www.pcgamer.com/i-dont-think-players-expect-this-warhammer-40k-darktide-is-adding-rpg-style-skill-trees-full-of-new-abilities-to-its-4-classes/

[warm mica]

Thank you ! It's interesting !

[inland sand]

trust me guys you'll very much enjoy this update

[flint turtle]

Now imagine doing them before the penance changes

Oh the hate in my heart back when cliffhanger was getting like 20 at once

And the joy when I got it

[idle aurora]

They will probably also expand the max level cap, so like every 1-5 levels you will unlock all this new stuff

Most excited about shield, i always play medic/support the most amount of time when such role is available in the game

[fringe tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[grizzled jasper]

UNLIMITED STAGGER

[flint turtle]

I'm unfortunately in the lonely pool of being a Biomancy fan

I don't think will be getting any powers like hammer hand or the flesh is strong any time soon ( ttrpg stuff from dark Hersey)

For those extra curious but don't wanna spend a few hours reading rule books

Hammer hand basically let's a psyker hit harder then most ogryn in melee

And the flesh is strong let's the user bend their body to their will, basically allowing them to become a warp entity for a period of time

[gilded radish]

i saw something similar a few months ago

[broken carbon]

i did the forge map for the 7 enemies off the cliff

pick and mix, use kinetic barrage

i got it when i was using it with the regen ult on elite kill

[worldly iron]

thanks and finished cliffhanger

now Pick and Mix

[broken carbon]

you know what you can one shot with brain burst right?

[worldly iron]

yeah

Issue is the other players

they always kill them before brainburst

most of my friends don't play anymore

[broken carbon]

i’d offer to help but i won’t be home for a while

playing with a vet with bio optic targeting would help

[worldly iron]

yeah

[slate sun]

Hi guys, can you offer any advice on how to do the warp battery penance reliably?
I'm getting stuck around 200-250 seconds of maintaining the max warp charge but then either the enemies run out or I have to ult...
I don't want to generate additional problems for the team ... does anyone know if this can be done in private games?

[spice veldt]

ye it can

[slate sun]

so probably the easiest way would be to run hi int heresy and just take it slow for 6 minutes?

[spice veldt]

i got my warp battery penance by playing on consignment yard since it's fairly linear and you can just push super aggressively

[lunar hollow]

i just went into a malice game and constantly BB'd till i got it

communion + flayer helps

[spice veldt]

warp battery was one of those things I got naturally by being forward (though this was back when I played malice)

[slate sun]

can you get it on malice though ?

[lunar hollow]

yeah

[spice veldt]

ye

[slate sun]

thx, I'll try it out

hope I won't piss off too many people in the process 😄

[spice veldt]

won't be that bad probably

not many mats on malice to pick up anyways even if you weren't playing forward

[hidden crystal]

Or you have to ult??

... are you running one of the Lvl 30 feats that uses up all your warp charges? That's just making it harder for yourself.

[slate sun]

I'm gonna try with barrage and lacerations, but that's definitely not a build of choice if I try to be useful

[spice veldt]

you're prob going to two-shot most things on malice anyways without lacerations

[hidden crystal]

My recommendation for that one is playing Enclavum Baross on hi int.
No elevators or airlocks there, so no unavoidable waits you can't possibly maintain charges over, or times you have to wait for the plasteel goblin.

[slate sun]

plasteel goblin 😄 good one

[hidden crystal]

Consignment Yard is probably also good (only one airlock near the end that people are well funneled into), and you might be able to make it work on Chasm Logistratum (one door right before the finale), but that one's a lot less linear in many parts of the tunnels, so the team are less likely to flow through it as fast.

But Baross does to me seem the mission with the best flow for keeping up warp charges.

[hidden crystal]

The frequent bane of warp charges - the person who will not get in the fragging elevator.

[slate sun]

... I'm usually the goblin myself

[whole oxide]

man, being trying out how fast to kill 100 poxwalkers with creature spawner, and where they can fight back not just stand still and take it

and void isn't even good at the one thing i thought it was okay at

just comparing staves, purgatus obviously best, blazing-trauma 2nd, then there's a big gap in capability, to flurry-trauma 3rd, blazing-void 4th, flurry-void 5th

[neon steppe]

Void is amazing, not sure what you’re talking about. Only staff that can deal with shooters well. Not as good at horde clear as purg(obviously) but still does it very well. You don’t need to use your melee weapon if you have void staff with flurry.

[empty onyx]

Huh. I just realized that Purgatus only has 5 Blessings available...

[spice veldt]

trauma can also deal with shooters without making significant tradeoffs to the ability to deal with specials/elites

and having infinite cleave instead of the finite cleave that voidstrike has (6 cleave when fully charged)

for reference, scab ragers have 6 hitmass

and will completely eat a fully charged voidstrike RMB

from a mathematical perspective, I think that voidstrike is balanced

but because of how its damage is distributed (low damage, no damage falloff when hitting multiple targets), it ends not being that great

[neon steppe]

Trauma is okay vs shooters but does have range limit. Void can hit and kill any enemy on screen. Trauma is much better at dealing with elite clumps though.

[spice veldt]

the range limit of trauma is only 20m (when aiming at enemies directly level from you), which is adequate for most map sections

and at that range, most enemies start having damage falloff (which begans at 15m for most) and in addition to their inaccuracy

the aiming system is finicky, and it does suck if you have to ever aim at elevation or on grate stairs

voidstrike just doesn't have any meaningful strengths beyond its range and suppression, and even those strengths aren't as valued if you're more comfortable with the movement system

i would legitimately put it below the surge staff because of its cleave limit and inability to deal with groups of elites/specials

[empty onyx]

What's the ideal perk combo for Trauma?

[near wyvern]

Infested + unarmoured if you always want to one shot trash no matter what, other good choices are +flak, +maniac, +unyielding and +carapace

For nexus spirit you absolutely need +5% crit chance and the other perk doesn't really matter

[spice veldt]

though, for poxwalkers, you don't need that much of a damage boost to begin one-shotting them

with a damage roll of 58% or higher, 3 warp charges allows you to one-shot them with a full charge

with a damage roll of 71% or higher, 2 warp charges is sufficient

[neon steppe]

I just don’t agree. Void is the best staff for solo q as it offers something to any team. If I’m on a team without a vet void makes things much less stressful. It also has a major advantage in dealing damage and staggering all enemies in its path of travel. You can kill the poxburster in front of you and the shooter across the room in one blast. You can also cc while staggering, even killing specials. Warp flurry and transfer peril means it is the only staff which is entirely venting independent, with trauma you cannot fight enemies in melee range with your staff indefinitely, with void you only need to change to melee for things like mutants. It still has good damage, I am often highest damage in team with void.

Headshots and angles are very important with void effectiveness and damage output, unlike other stages which are all click and kill.

[spice veldt]

weakspots aren't that important because they're only a +30% damage boost

it matters, but I don't put much weight onto headshots for that reason

and also because my character is too short to get weakspots in a line consistently

and with trauma, you can absolutely fight enemies in melee range indefinitely if you do your quell inputs well

in fact, quelling at the right time will shorten the downtime after each cast

for reference, there is ~0.6 seconds of downtime after each trauma cast

you can interrupt this downtime with a quell ~0.3 seconds after your cast, so if you can do perfect inputs, you'll shave off that amount of time, reducing the downtime to ~0.3 seconds (or ~0.55 seconds if you get a single tick of quelling off)

so you can really just spam the trauma from 100% peril if you really have to

and the stagger/epicentre is significantly better than the void once enemies are near you

simply because of how enemies will group around you once they get close, and because it is so much easier to aim the trauma at that range

[neon steppe]

Weakspots are enough for 1 shot breakpoint on shooters

[spice veldt]

and trauma lets me avoid taking kinetic deflection/stamina which might otherwise be needed for revives

you should be able to oneshot all non-elite ranged enemies with void can't you with a bodyshot

unless it has a weird damage modifier on them like bruisers do

oh wait armour modifiers

hmm yeah without warp charges you're just short of one-shotting scab stalkers

[neon steppe]

I haven’t done the math, but I know in practice it is insufficient sometimes, maybe due to range drop off.

I will try the trauma quell trick you mention. Void is underrated though and I have to stand up for my baby lol

[spice veldt]

voidstrike doesn't have any falloff based on distance at leasts shooting across from the psykhanium

might be not shooting at a full charge, which does happen with me on the trauma because i'm impatient

yeah voidstrike works

it's just that i really do not value its strengths with my playstyle and experience

[whole oxide]

its really not good at horde clear though, and i wouldn't say its "good" at dealing shooters either

[spice veldt]

like with ranged patrols, it's easy enough for me to just run up to them (sometimes with the help of trauma) and kill them with melee (for most map sections)

[whole oxide]

its better than purg/trauma for shooters i guess, but thats a pretty low bar to cross

i thought it was good at horde clear, but, actually testing properly in a controlled environment, it isn't

[spice veldt]

and i'm usually forward on my team, so I get to take initial engagements on ranged patrols most times

and I think i prefer the trauma over the voidstrike when doing that

since ranged patrols are always grouped up when they're not aggroed

melee enemies are memed on nowadays since the meta options can trivially deal with them

but they're still threatening if you don't get any bolters on your team or any other anti-armor/delaying power

[neon steppe]

I was obsessed with fireball pyro before darktide came out and void is a straight upgrade from that. I like trauma too but void is just so satisfying. I especially appreciate it when trying to get through any of the open areas that are filled with shooters. Was just silly on the maelstrom mission the other day with all ranged enemies.

[spice veldt]

i stack 3 toughness + kinetic shield, so i'm usually pretty set against ranged enemies for most map sections

i wonder if i still have footage of my only ranged maelstroms

nope

at least on smelter complex, you can basically just run in with a warp absorption illisi and fuck ranged patrols up since you don't need to worry about random ass ragers and maulers coming up on your ass

or bruisers potshotting you and then downing you and making you sad

[neon steppe]

Sure you can but I love just blasting them to pieces . I also find it very fun to try and time my shots to hit moving enemies, just an awesome skill challenge. I always wonder how much of a difference character height makes for void as my psyker is on the taller side (like 70% of the height meter).

[spice veldt]

just spawning a bunch of poxwalkers, the center of my crosshair when looking directly straight lands on their chin

and you have to aim a bit above their head to consistently hit weakspots, so i can't really hit the weakspots of all the enemies in a line

it's mechanically engaging compared to the other staffs, but it's also a charging projectile weapon

there's the delay from the charge, the delay after you let go of LMB before the projectile actually spawns, and the delay from ping

so any enjoyment that i typically get from aiming is ruined by these delays since i can't really hit moving enemies consistently given how much they can start and stop

[restive slate]

Is there any way to increase the cleave of Duelling Swords? Wish they had devastating strike or something

[mental rock]

The only way would be going all in to Crits, as they have more cleave

[spice veldt]

crits do not improve cleave

[mental rock]

Wait really? My mistake then

[spice veldt]

yeah it does give off that impression

with the swoosh sound and all that

but i tested it with a force sword and could only cleave 6 poxwalkers even with a crit on a normal heavy

[thorn cedar]

The damage distribution looks better too but yeah it's not going any further

[hexed wedge]

I've not really used the trauma staff for a while. Am I missing out on something?

[thorn cedar]

give it a whirl

i personally fucking hate how it aims, same way i hated coruscation on sienna in VT2

everyone's got their tastes lol

all the staves are good is the honest truth in the end

[spice veldt]

they cut the overall peril gen from ~47% to ~24% (at 80% warp res), and the quelling buffs benefitted the trauma in particular

[fresh reef]

anyone else worried that the new skill trees would limit build variety?

you only get a certain amount of points alotted and it seems like they're breaking up the previous feats into separate trees

[feral inlet]

no

quite the opposite

look at our current "tree"

you have 6 points

that are very limited

[indigo portal]

You get 30 points. iirc the zealot tree that we have seen takes 24 points to max out the middle tree.

[feral inlet]

compare it to an entire fully developed feat and skill tree

albeit they'll also increase the max level (eventually)

they stated that you will 100% be able to max the middle tree and still have spare points

but you could just offbranch and be a hybrid by dipping your points into all the trees at once

[spice veldt]

it apparently takes 20 points at minimum to reach the bottom node, so you'll have at most 10 points free

[indigo portal]

Also the Zealot tree I think is getting split into the more heavy weapon berserker style and the bleed/crit stuff. It's possible they only did this because of the lack of identity and viability the bleed/crit stuff had. It's also possible that this isn't going to happen on other archetypes.

[whole oxide]

if you consider each tree to be its own sub-class, then each sub-class is going to have less choice than the currently available "sub-class", since the trees appear to only have 2 choices at each tier, while we currently have 3

but ofc overall its still alot more than what we currently have

[indigo portal]

It'll restrict choices if isolated in only a single subclass yeah, but the whole point is you can now shift to a different tree and the talents along the path you choose are the choices you make. Might end up being too many options lol.

[plucky flax]

I hope they still intend to release more sub class and soon at that.

[indigo portal]

I don't think they're going to add more subclasses for a while after the update lol

[tulip sage]

what are th3e perks and blessing that i should be looking for

i did few crafting and got these, what should i be "earn blessing" and what should i keep and rebless+ another warp flurry 4 blue that i earned

[plucky flax]

Take warp nexus from the first purga put it on the one on the right. Change groaners damage to flak.

For surge put crit chance or a damage perk of your choice but I recommend crit chance instead of stamina and change terrifying barrage to warp flurry.

[tulip sage]

ok and should i keep trying to get 380*

or should i foucs on another weapon for now

fdor secondery and all of that

[plucky flax]

It's serviceable but that purga staff has low warp resistance.

Ideally you want damage to be the lowest stats and everything else high.

With at least 76% burn though mind you.

[tulip sage]

what really? i watched a vod daying i need dmg the highest

or that for other weapons not staffs

[plucky flax]

Damage on flame staff only increase the direct damage, not the burn damage.

And the scaling for that is between 1-2 damage difference.

Flamethrower and purgatus staff don't rely on the damage modifier.

[tulip sage]

oh

so i should keep rolling untill i get better modifers

?

[plucky flax]

It's good enough unless you are going to mainly use your purga staff then yeah I'd recommend so.

For perks it's flak + crit chance/another damage perk of your choice.

My own staff I personally use flak maniac to clear ragers/maulers more effectively.

[tulip sage]

does that mean even my surge staff is not great

and i should just use them for the time being untill i get better staff

and not waste blessing on them

just change both perks and use as is

for both surge and purg

then later on i can earn blessing on all of these when i get an upgrade modifer

[plucky flax]

Your surge is pretty okay.

Also surge and purga don't have interchangeable blessings.

[indigo portal]

The base modifiers aren't the end of the world, you're gonna get more use out of grinding for a good set of perks/blessings than a perfect four 80 one 60 roll.

[tulip sage]

even with the same name?

[tulip sage]

ya i figured one day i would want a 380

[plucky flax]

No between the 2 different types.

If it's the same name/weapon type then they are interchangeable.

But atm for psyker we only have 1 staff per type.

Not like say a force sword where there are 3 of them.

[tulip sage]

ok so i just keep surge

change it like u said

then just wait for a better purge

[spice veldt]

basically, the latter part of a weapon's name indicates the weapon family that they belong to

[plucky flax]

Purga is one of the easier weapon to make so you should find a replacement pretty fast.

Basically ignore damage modifier, everything else 70+ with burn at least 76%. Warp nexus warp flurry, flak + your 2nd choice of perk between crit chance, unyielding, maniac.

[tulip sage]

if i modify a weapon i can "earn blessing" later on if i wanted right?

[wintry quail]

What do you psykos put on the surge

I'm getting frustrated with mine on damnnation aurics

[feral inlet]

warp flurry warp nexus

flak maniac

as perks

[wintry quail]

Same as flame then

[feral inlet]

i saw some people using +5% ranged crit chance but i feel like 5% chance to deal more dmg is worse than 25% constant dmg vs an enemy type

[lyric burrow]

Yeah id just play into the better armor damage

[mental mist]

Does sustained fire work with the lighting on the surge staff?

[plucky flax]

I use crit chance flak on my surge cos its so shit against maniac anyway I'm just sliding in to melee them.

[mental mist]

Ok I can't seem to find that great staff for my style

[cyan notch]

why the hell u got a t1 perk on an autogun

blessing

[mental mist]

I didn't pick it it is in the store

[plucky flax]

You just need to spam surge more especially against horde. It's op.

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sheev-palpatine-unlimited-power-power-force-gif-5073064

[wintry quail]

Yeah it works great I just wanted MORE

My problem with it is oh you're hi peril and they're next to you? Lol your team left you behind mid horde and you're stuck in this corner where you pass away now

Because apparently you must rely on yourself because nobody else will help you in NA Auric lobbies, assuming you get a lobby at all

[plucky flax]

What melee do you use?

[wintry quail]

Illisi I just am complaining about extreme scenarios

For the most part my build is solid just wondering what else I can eek out

[plucky flax]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CYoalxaVzKA&feature=share8

[wintry quail]

Deflector is the way

It was lost to make way for a better weapon but now that the crafting redo is out I will simply slap it on my good one

[plucky flax]

Aye unstable memers can never.

[fresh reef]

sweet fucking christ

[wintry quail]

That's a sexy purgatus

[plucky flax]

Run and gun huh

[wintry quail]

I can see it

[thorn cedar]

It's cute. I liked it.

Still janky tho

[wintry quail]

Payday shotgun perk vibes

[high mulch]

Heya guys! Just wanted to quickly drop this here as I’m about to start chatting with the voice actor for the female Psyker Savant! Would love to have you guys join and ask questions! https://www.twitch.tv/jamesalexanderva

[spice veldt]

if you have the illisi, i am absolutely leaving you alone to deal with the horde

in an ideal scenario, it'll take you ~7 seconds to clear out 40 poxwalkers

[cyan notch]

i can do it in 3s

[spice veldt]

why are you pulling a darcy

[cyan notch]

im not

[lunar hollow]

he's so annoying the poxwalkers just leave

[plucky flax]

Light spam can clear poxwalkers horde in 2.

[lunar hollow]

uninstalling can do it in 0

[spice veldt]

🙂

[plucky flax]

Tru. Bg3 better gaem

[cyan notch]

only cuz u can run around naked

[crude cape]

i fell asleep last night.
What do you think of that deimos i rolled above? Spent a lot of my resources rolling for it lol

does the 61% finesse make it trash?

i'll link again so you dont have to go look

i shoulda shown H2

[spice veldt]

people like pygex might know, but the lower finesse might make you require more peril to get the oneshot on mutants and whatnot

i don't know about the other relevant breakpoints unfortunately

with an 80/80/80 dmg/finesse/first target deimos, 4 warp charges, +25% maniac, and warp unleashed, it'll require 75% peril for the mutant one-shot, though the threshold will be lower given that you have unstable power

[wintry quail]

And you're right, if it's just walkers. When there's four bulwarks in there it becomes more problematic

But if they're already gone when it happens it's kinda just curtains

[crude cape]

i swear i 1 shot one last night with it when i tested it after making it

[wintry quail]

Sometimes I can get out

[crude cape]

but possible it took chip dmg

ill try in meat grinder

[spice veldt]

oh if it's a mixed horde then yeah

[fresh reef]

Yknow what'd be real neat? If Auric Maelstrom dropped red weapons

[wintry quail]

I never have problems with horde, illisi is juices

[wintry quail]

Are reds even a fucking thing yet

[fresh reef]

Nope

[wintry quail]

God I can't believe we don't have them yet

One day joj will get a red 100% all stat

But considering you can craft into one nowadays I guess they aren't as necessary

[crude cape]

arco whats your favorite staff for maelstrom modes? is trauma still good? i was using it on the "mostly melee, only scab" mode last night seemed strong there.
but it feels bad against the "wave of specialist/specialist can be bosses" mode

[fresh reef]

I'm thinking max stat bars (100% each) and no crafting locks, along with 0 cost to replace perks/blessings

[wintry quail]

Drop only from Auric maelstrom and it's worth

[spice veldt]

trauma is my preferred staff since it can still stagger the specialists that aren't muties

[crude cape]

ah true

[spice veldt]

surge is nice, but it's still too specialized for my tastes even on hishock/maelstrom

[wintry quail]

I haven't even found a trauma in months, what do they use now

[crude cape]

when you're flooded wtih bosses, what do you do? Focus on other stuff let the boss classes kill. Or do you swap to BB boss?

[wintry quail]

Unlimited powah only takes you so far

[spice veldt]

warp flurry + rending shockwave or warp nexus + blazing spirit is the usual combo

[crude cape]

bc that mode can spawn full hp bosses that aren't weakened, ive seen 3 at once plenty of times lol

[wintry quail]

Blazing spirit that's what it is

[spice veldt]

i play a bit more defensively than usual and kill what I can kill

[wintry quail]

Auric maelstrom is gnarly

[spice veldt]

focusing on kiting is my priority because I don't trust my teammates to not spontaneously die while bosses are up

[crude cape]

makes sense

[spice veldt]

if it's multiple chaos spawns, then it will be insanely rough

[wintry quail]

Do you run BB for plus powah

[crude cape]

ya, they're the worst for sure

[wintry quail]

I find that becomes the more useful option than cool down when you're with a solid yeam

[spice veldt]

some situations are just straight up unwinnable sometimes

[crude cape]

usually if i see that mode up, i jump on my hammer zealot, bc its super fun for him. But i tried it with psyker the other day and was struggling

[spice veldt]

i run psykinetic's aura (CDR) in pubs, since specials still have to be dealt with

[crude cape]

ive noticed that too, maelstrom is NOT fair lol

[spice veldt]

if i'm in a premade, i'll run cerebral lacerations

[crude cape]

the combos can put you in impossible situations it feels like

[crude cape]

ah thats nice

[spice veldt]

the variance in difficulty is just so high

blessed chaos spawns are menaces

[crude cape]

i play with randos like...70% of the time so, feels bad. but ya

[spice veldt]

blessed trappers, blessed dogs, etc.

[wintry quail]

Maelstrom needs to pay more for how stacked it is, im upset that it's just hard

Pay more mats*

[crude cape]

blessed dogs

the WORST

[spice veldt]

yeah, modifiers not scaling mat gain is quite criminal

[wintry quail]

I have 20 thousand diamantine and maybe 6 PLASTEEL

[crude cape]

ive smacked them with a hammer heavy attack that was CHARGED. Did 80%+ of its life, but didn't kill it and it still jumped me THROUGH getting hit (burgled dogs)

[wintry quail]

Shocky staff go no puppy

[spice veldt]

and dogs being quite sketchy to dodge

[wintry quail]

That is why I run shock on maelstrom because it fucks specials

IF IT HITS THEM

[spice veldt]

dogs seem to be easier to dodge nowadays, though it's still very sketchy and i still have my lack of trust from the past

[wintry quail]

one shock and one trauma psyker is ideal for maelstrom

[crude cape]

what about purg? not enough range?

[spice veldt]

i have a DPS mentality, so I'd prefer a gun over a surge psyker

[wintry quail]

Purgatus feels so bad when it's special spam city

[spice veldt]

purg is nice for pushing the map and whatnot

you can probably compensate with BB and melee for specials and whatnot

[wintry quail]

Purg is great until something it can't stagger walks in

Or runs in

[spice veldt]

not as generalist as trauma, but still works

[wintry quail]

Or jumps in

[spice veldt]

clearing a horde while bosses are around is quite nice

[wintry quail]

A solid illisi can make a purg work

[hidden crystal]

How to make auric maelstrom even harder: make it so muppets are trying to play it for the loot.

[wintry quail]

It is unparalleled CC to purg around a boss because the best control is to just fucking kill them

[crude cape]

i actually love playing with surge psyker when im on zealot playing hammer.
Bc they stun all the elites and let me smack them over and over lol

[spice veldt]

not something i'd run in a pub

[crude cape]

super fun

[wintry quail]

Definitely not

[spice veldt]

pub surge psykers tilt me into eternity

surging everything outside of reach

[wintry quail]

I'm sorry, that's me

[crude cape]

lmao thats true

[spice veldt]

i already have to be wildly out of position to reach specials with my melee

and they make it worse

and if you can't DPS The specials down, they'll just accumulate

[wintry quail]

I do pretty much just hold down the shock

[crude cape]

i play with my cousin who....isn't very good, but he tries. He jsut surges everything and i try to explain to him but

it is what it is

not everyone is a gamer deep down

[spice veldt]

that's true

[crude cape]

i meant that sarcastically

but true

at the same time

[wintry quail]

My main mindset is that if the specials can't move someone will fucking kill it I hope to god

[spice veldt]

i just block them and rant about it in this discord

[wintry quail]

Then my peril runs hot and I can't do it no more

[crude cape]

lmao

[wintry quail]

I will never get over stunlocking muties though I find it so comical I cannot get enough of it

I love the surge staff I used to hate it and use purg exclusively but then I used it again and it's been my go to since

[cyan notch]

its ok theyre adding a sniper staff soon

for elite killing