psyker-class

[plucky flax]

I only use laceration on my surge build.

Wait no.

Cebreral + lasceration on surge yeah.

On purg I run communion + wildfire ascendant blaze my beloved.

[strong gulch]

For my purg and main surge build.

313133

[hidden crystal]

Communion saves so much micromanaging.

[plucky flax]

Yeah that's my surge build.

Blaze trauma and purge I run 311122. Duelling sword purg I run 211122.

[strong gulch]

On my cluncky AB surge with slaughter

311112

[hidden crystal]

It's when playing the class becomes so much less about the soul micromanagement.

[patent steeple]

ah, and i run 6 charges instead of wildfire because wildfire puts a fire dot stack limit on the enemies it spreads the dots to...

[hidden crystal]

... well, that and when they made them taper off one at a time, not all at once.

Those were not happy days.

[plucky flax]

Yeah I agree wildfire does that, but the firespread is op.

[strong gulch]

I mean, that's just being a person on the day to day.

[plucky flax]

You kill stuff behind walls/doors.

Wildfire ascendant blaze used to be so much more op with slaughterer stacking.

[strong gulch]

I flip flop between WB and WF for fire trauma. I just won't settle.

[patent steeple]

guess i should try out wildfire then, but idk if i would like it tho... ehh doesn't matter i will still try it.

[plucky flax]

If you're used to the break point for 6 charges bb then you won't like it.

You need 4 charges + high peril to bb a flamer.

And won't 1 shot ragers.

[patent steeple]

hmmm, i mean i can still try it out. besides, flamers i can just stagger with a couple purg left clicks and then rush at to kill with my deimos, and ragers are often in melee range of me already before my bb is charged...

[spice veldt]

i can usually finish a flamer off with a staff bolt so it's not as depressing with them

[hidden crystal]

311113 is my standard MG12/Illisi pick.

Used to be 111113, but even with a gun I generate enough peril for quietitude to work out better.

[plucky flax]

I'll let you into a secret build. Illisi shred blazing spirit (need t4) wildfire ascendant blaze.

[spice veldt]

but sometimes i have 0 warp charges and I need 2-3 staff bolts to finish them

[plucky flax]

(Don't try it sucks.)

It's op against plague ogryn though. Just light spam and let it burn.

It's like zealot with knife but not as good.

[thorn cedar]

It definitely sucks but it looks spectacular.

[plucky flax]

It's good if you somehow find yourself in a team with really bad horde clear.

Because after like 20 seconds stuff start to burn and it's funny. (Or you can use a purga staff and do it much faster.)

[strong gulch]

Had run that was SOOO laggy.

[bleak tulip]

coulda been steam maintenance

[strong gulch]

It is the day. I forgot.

[gloomy gulch]

Sorry for the late reply, so does that mean that first target can be a dump stat, or ideally is it just warp resistance in the dem

[spice veldt]

oh nah; first target is pretty important since the Deimos is primarily brought out for its single-target damage

the First Target stat only increases damage dealt against the first target hit, but that's still a fairly large amount of damage

and because of how damage falls off after the first target hit by your swing, the fact that it only applies to the First Target is not that big of a deal except for hordeclear purposes and whatnot

for me, i'd dump warp res especially if I'm running quietitude

even on the Illisi, the only reason to dump first target is that it's currently bugged such that First Target doesn't scale the damage of Illisi's special

[gloomy gulch]

ahh got it thanks again for the explination

[lyric burrow]

Man mutants are really not that big a deal till they suddenly are and theres 3 running around in a mixed horde

[spice veldt]

it's nice to 1/2-shot them until there are that many and then it becomes essential to 1/2-shot them

i got grabbed by a mutant once into a horde and just instantly died

their threat levels vary so damn much

here's a flamer getting bullied by me and a mutant https://streamable.com/i84hkm

[hot ice]

wait really?

[spice veldt]

if an enemy already has 4 stacks of soulblaze, Wildfire won't apply any more

some other notes

from here https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[hot ice]

is 4 stacks the general limit of soulblaze stacks?

or nah

[regal jasper]

4 is the limit unless you chose the perk that lets you go to 6

[spice veldt]

i'm not sure if there's a general limit or how it works exactly in the code

the stack limit might be tied to the application method itself

[regal jasper]

Oh soulblaze not fucking whatever they are called

[spice veldt]

e.g., Blazing Spirit on Voidstrike/Trauma can only apply up to 6 stacks

[hot ice]

warp charge

[regal jasper]

Yeah thank you

[hot ice]

yeah dw i forget the full name as well

[spice veldt]

the amount of stacks Purg can apply is dictated by the Burn stat

[hot ice]

i just say warp stacks haha

[regal jasper]

I might pass out at work rn excuse my stupidity

[spice veldt]

Wrack & Ruin and Ascendant Blaze can apply up to 31 stacks

there's Blazing Spirit on the force swords, but the tooltip actually tells you up to how many stacks that it can apply

[hot ice]

[strong gulch]

Melk: I've got new stock.

The stock.

[upper galleon]

dude playing on that cs:source frames maxing

respectable

i did the same to tf2 on an old pc

[spice veldt]

this is my setup, in case you haven't seen it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1133928123868663828/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_1a6a056c-46bb-40d5-a06c-d77bce4f5a63.png

i must grace your eyes with it

[patent steeple]

is that a fan that keeps the laptop cooled so it does not burst into flames while you game?

no wait, that is not how that would work i am dumb...

[spice veldt]

the logic isn't terrible since it would prevent the heat from accumulating on the laptop I guess

it's mostly to keep my laptop cool since I don't want it to get too hot

I don't think that it's thermally bottlenecked anyways

since my laptop only pulls 60-70 watts while gaming

but it is the summer and all that, so better safe than sorry

and also because I had these fans sitting around from an old desktop that I wasn't using

so I bought a desktop fan to AC adapter and plugged them in

[patent steeple]

i mean, my old gaming computer was literally just a laptop that i put in a slanted position by placing an old Overwatch 1 box (i had bought a physical copy of it because i did not know it could be bought digitally) under the back of the laptop.

since my old laptop was prone to overheating when i was gaming because the heat could not escape from underneath it because of the laptop being on a table, so i did that whole "rectangle-shaped box near the back of the laptop's bottom" thing so the heat didn't accumulate on the laptop's components or something

[lyric burrow]

yeah my old gaming set up was similar

games werent as demanding or unoptimized as darktide tho

[spice veldt]

yeah the airflow of my older laptops was questionable so I did that as well

I mostly played gmod and all that, though some servers really cut into the performance

[patent steeple]

yeah, mine weren't either, its just that the games i played back then were also kinda demanding on heat accumulation (since those games probably were not designed for laptops)...

my biggest issues came from trying to make games on the Unity game engine, which had a lightmapping thing were all lights needed to be static to make shadows (so moving the light source object would not move the game lighting), and that required each object and lightsource to be "baked" into the game world.

and because i was using a Unity engine version from 2018 back then combined with my limited knowledge of optimization and the laptop's quality, the lightmap baking process literally took forever, as in the estimated time left was at about 2 mins, before it jumped to 3 hours or something... this happened each and every time i wanted to "bake" the light sources btw

[cyan notch]

bro what

just get a desktop

[lyric burrow]

i think he has to stick to the laptop now just because so many people know him for the potato graphics clips

[gloomy gulch]

what do I get when I collect them all

[covert juniper]

satisfaction

[restive slate]

New subclass unlocked

Felinid waifu

[spice veldt]

i would do it even on a beefed up desktop

except that my goal would be 144 frames instead of 60

[lyric burrow]

i def debate trying to get more fps rather than having most things at max but this game looks so nice its hard to turn stuff down

so im on the fence

[spice veldt]

my rationale was that I don't really notice the extra details since I somewhat unfocus my eyes while playing and I don't care too much about the style of darktide

it looks nice but doesn't fit my tastes, and the performance drop of the recent patches settled the deal for me

[lunar hollow]

the visuals were cool for the first 2-300 hours for me and now i dont really pay attention

bloom is mandatory however

[spice veldt]

...

[lunar hollow]

...

[lyric burrow]

i am still guilty of enjoying just looking at the game

so i will settle for 70 fps or w/e i get

[lunar hollow]

yeah arco is incapable of having good taste

[lyric burrow]

FPS in this game isnt super consistent

[spice veldt]

i like my more magic medieval fantasy aesthetic ok

[lunar hollow]

then why dont u play vermintide

[spice veldt]

not factory simulator 40k

because

you smell

good

[lunar hollow]

wowie

[restive slate]

Whoa

[lyric burrow]

thats fucked up

[restive slate]

In my Psyker chat?

[spice veldt]

wha

[lunar hollow]

i like the aesthetic of darktide a lot. i wouldve liked it a lot more if half the maps didn't fucking recycle

im still holding out for at least one of the levels kinda being like some of the sections in boltgun and you're like halfway into the warp

[restive slate]

I can think a few more diverse maps than what we got

[lyric burrow]

the aesthetic is something i will always give them credit for

[restive slate]

Ngl many maps have good aesthetics in the first part... Then they start repeating the same drab bland corridors and walkways

[lunar hollow]

some of the maps kinda feel like misses to me. hab dreyko is something i will just never appreciate

i like the look of smelter a lot, particularly the end arena

[lyric burrow]

smelters great yeah

[lunar hollow]

that map is fun to fight in. i just don't like how the final stand you can just stand by the door to leave and chill there

[restive slate]

Like Magistrati Oubliette is fine but doesn't feel like a prison map... Would have prefered going through actual rows upon rows of prison cells

[spice veldt]

maybe if the final section of hab dreyko where you had to sprint to the dropship was a larger portion of the map

[urban hearth]

dreykos my favorite in the dark

[restive slate]

Instead of scanning 3 million objects across 50 floors

[spice veldt]

and 20 walls

[lunar hollow]

it would be nice if some of the missions just ended up being derailed

[lyric burrow]

Yeah smelter needs the enclavum treatment

[lunar hollow]

like oh you came for something but uh

shit goes wrong

[lyric burrow]

Its like impossible to fail the end

[lunar hollow]

now u gotta evacuate

bomb goes off or smth and now u gotta backtrack through the level except things are different now

that would be cool

[urban hearth]

blow the disease tree up

plant a bomb

[spice veldt]

even without the randomization aspect, a mission that goes wrong would be nice

[restive slate]

Why don't they put in another event boss? Make the Traitor Captain hunt US instead

[spice veldt]

since currently, we've accomplished the objectives of all of our missions

[lunar hollow]

i think they kinda fucked themselves with mission select

[restive slate]

We're always jumping on random Traitor Captains, I wanna encounter them in the battlefield

[lunar hollow]

in vt2 you could have mission series where you built up to an objective or continued an adventure

but since the mission board works the way it does u cant really do that

[urban hearth]

traitor captain boss should have a 5% chance to be a plague marine

😄

[restive slate]

Perhaps not that far

[urban hearth]

just arrive at the end and OHFUCKOHSHIT

[lunar hollow]

a traitor captain boss with like 1 void shield cycle and reduced health would be cool

[urban hearth]

hue hue hue

[restive slate]

But another boss would be nice, I vote for Rogue Psyker and Plague Priest

[urban hearth]

nergling swarm

literal 1000s of them

[lunar hollow]

there's a tox ogryn that seems like it will be a tweaked stormfiend that was datamined before cspawn release

[restive slate]

Imagine if they redid Elite Resistance so we have Patrols led by lesser Traitor Captains

[lunar hollow]

it is a damn shame elite res wasn't just like way more frequent elites

with guaranteed melee elite spawns for mixed hordes

[obsidian girder]

horde but it’s fifty muties and thirty flamers

[restive slate]

If they did that, I would've wanted Horde Resistance where there's only grunts

[obsidian girder]

a couple trappers for good measure

[strong gulch]

Finally tried a gun psyker. Glad for another way to play, but it's not my jam.

I had to hard carry with a weapon I'm not overly familiar with. Also, I am not great at aiming. 💀

[restive slate]

What gun

Takes a while to transition especially the first time

[strong gulch]

Revolver

[olive ember]

why are people using revolvers now

ahem

I mean revolvers are

[ornate hamlet]

they are

[strong gulch]

Of the guns, it's the one I like the most.

[willow escarp]

shredder pistol psyker goes pretty hard

[strong gulch]

I know but I don't like it.

[willow escarp]

fair

I love revolver on zealot

[strong gulch]

Speaking of revolver zealot, I'm gonna work on leveling mine now.

[willow escarp]

Took a bit to settle into zealot until i started using indignatus crusher + revolver

[strong gulch]

I've been light that. I also love knife. I use knife a lot on psyker.

[willow escarp]

I havent tried the knife yet. Seems like fun. Still got a couple more levels on the zeal to max then ill branch out on weapons

[restive slate]

I like Revolver Psyker a lot

Only issue is horde clear, depend more on melee and we'll timed Ascendant Blaze

Lately, I've tried Laspistol Psyker too. Strong with 6 stacks

Also has funny force push

Which I still feel, Knife should have a force punch

Make it a longe ranged but smaller aoe than laspistol version

[strong gulch]

I mean, Illisi with T4 slaughterer gets the task done for hordes.

Slaughter + WU + AB work well together.

I don't like the setup tho. I have a build with that, but it always feels clunky to me.

When it's needed tho, it more than does the job.

[slow raven]

would you guys stick with currently equipped (right) or the new one (left)? could put slaughterer 4 on left.

goes from slaught 4/unstable power 3 -> slaught 4/unstable power 4
finesse 74 -> finesse 57
damage 73 -> damage 77

probably wont even notice a difference realistically huh, maybe i should just pull the blessing off so i can use it on my deimos and just keep rolling new illisis for a more obvious upgrade

[rich rose]

"would you guys stick with currently equipped (right) or the new one (left)? could put slaughterer 4 on left." You're askin a LOT

[harsh urchin]

New one is bricked imo

Finesse stat is too trash

[spice veldt]

I like my attack speed so I'd prob stick with your current one even if the new one has unstable 4 and better warp res

if you're using something like warp absorption and using your illisi as your main weapon most of the time, then you could make a case for the left one for its higher warp res

[strong gulch]

I'd keep the old one tbh

[slow raven]

alright thanks for taking a look everyone ill stick with the current

[autumn smelt]

i think i might be ready for these crafting changes

the sheer willpower ive had to have to not upgrade the amazing base rolls i have

[strong gulch]

I recently got rid of my great base stats bricks. Didn't realize changes to crafting was right around the corner. I held onto them for so long too.

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff I sold off not that long ago.

However, I think I kept some of the really good ones.

[spice veldt]

i've been afraid to sell my stuff just in case they loosen up the crafting

this comes at the cost of my inventory lagging like hell

[plucky flax]

Duelling sword op
https://youtube.com/watch?v=yM_UayzKRxc&feature=share8

[hidden crystal]

I concluded that if they ever did fix the crafting, it wouldn't be that painful to replace them, it's just a bit of a bummer that it was quite that recently.

[patent steeple]

imagine if fatshark makes the resources accountwide, only to set them all to zero for all already existing characters in the process, claiming something like "it was impossible to figure out a way to determine what character's resources would be shared, so they had to be reset to zero."

[restive slate]

Or at best but still sucky, fix everyone's resources to the max of the highest character at the time

[autumn smelt]

i remembered to save the replay a little too late, so this screenshot is the start of the recording, but it can paint the picture

while im up at the top, the teamate down below is about to toss the thingie up to me, but then someone gets knocked down, which causes the person to panic and throw it a little too early resulting in it not being thrown high enough, and he gets overrun when trying to grab it again and locked in place by multiple ragers and large number of poxwalkers and goes down quickly after
at the same time, i had just fucked up and overloaded myself with no ult to save me, so i dropped down and blew up the entire fucking horde, killing literally all of them, saving the run with 3 quick uninterrupted revives

mistakes into miracles lmao

[plucky flax]

0 damage taken giga duelling sword.

[plucky flax]

Let's see if I can make it.

[near wyvern]

Why on earth you use wildfire with purgatus

[plucky flax]

Why not?

[near wyvern]

Cause it has a hard cap of 4, and with Purgatus you get over 4 on anything that is longer than 1 second in your flames

[restive slate]

Used to love Wildfire, still appreciate it but I absolutely LOVE 6 stacks of warp charge damage

[near wyvern]

6 stacks or then KF with PA is the way to go

Wildifre is bugged to hell as well

[restive slate]

Helps so much in killing as fast as possible

It's also why I enjoy chainsword on Psyker, with warp charges it's damage is no joke

[plucky flax]

Yeah but it spreads to stuff through doors/walls.

[near wyvern]

When it triggers, yes, but the problem is two fold.

1. It's hard to trigger it due to the spreading battern, the 1 stack vanish bug, the 4 stack hard cap and the 5m miniscule range.

2. See the picture below

Player is in blue. Enemies tend to move towards the player so the enemies in red are the one that die.

Enemies in orange are the ones that actually get in the range of wildfire, however they have already been flamed with Purgatus so they cannot get any stacks, they move to the red area and the problem repeats itself.

Enemies in magenta/pink are the ones that can benefit from the wildfire since they are not yet hit with the staff. However, without extra help, the orange enemies never die and this never happens.

So very unreliable and you rarely get a benefit.

On top of that the 4 stack in itself is not strong enough to kill anything else than groaners on their own.

Wildifre works nicely in the meat grinder because the enemies are static. With moving enemies you would do a lot better if you just get the battery, which also allows you to reach additional BB break points.

If you don't like the battery, take Psykinetic's Aura with Kinetic Flayer for spamming 4 stack ults. Your ult obeys the global cap of 31 stacks so you can absolutely nuke shit down if you paint them with staff for a couple seconds and then ult -> you get ult and stacks back, repeat.

Also, warp absorption doesn't give you toughness when you really need it, you would be a lot safer with either quietitude or essence harvest with purgatus

[plucky flax]

I use duelling sword so can't spam peril to get toughness in a pinch with quietitude.

I also don't have the need for 6 warp charges. In fact I do all my meatgrinder test with 0 peril 0 warp charges.

[spice veldt]

3 back-to-back games with trolly ass psykers

two surge psykers and a trauma psyker

[lunar hollow]

sounds perfect for u

[spice veldt]

no

the game would legit be faster if they were replaced by a bot

the trauma psyker was really good at pushing a horde INTO a daemonhost and spreading them around

the surge psykers were enthusiastic to make stragglers be 10 meters apart

[lunar hollow]

lmfao

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/scarecrow-puppet-combo-gif-22885230

[near wyvern]

Whenever I play surge, I find myself using Illisi 80% of the game

Outside of flak surge just doesn't really do damage

[hidden crystal]

Huzzah, I did keep this one:

Which would be great, if Hadron had actually given me either of the Blessings I wanted.

[lunar hollow]

riposte is meta bruh cmon

[plucky flax]

Riposte and precognition op man.

[spice veldt]

i have hopium for buffs to the crit blessings

[plucky flax]

You can dodge and do op stuff.

[lunar hollow]

i've sold probably hundreds of desirable items trying to maximize my chance of getting something useful from the current crafting system

[plucky flax]

Insane synergy.

[lunar hollow]

which sounds regrettable but honestly if they allow you to pay to remove locks most of the grind is already removed

[spice veldt]

you're going to rip(oste) the heretics so hard

i have 50k diamantine sitting to be used

[plucky flax]

[lunar hollow]

even if it's only like 1 lock then that cuts down significantly on the amount of times the game can fuck u over

[lunar hollow]

if they let us use resources from other characters i have basically infinite diamantine until the end of time

lmao

i have 20k plasteel on ogryn and i hope to god it isnt just gonna sit here forever

[spice veldt]

smh play your other classes

[plucky flax]

What like remove 1 perk lock and 1 blessing lock once only per item?

[lunar hollow]

i do mf the problem is i use it all on them

smh

[hidden crystal]

I mean, Block Efficiency will want to be Flak instead, but good mobility, good damage, and a warp resistance that's still good enough to let me charge the sword several times quickly (but also at a point where I can build up peril with a couple of quick charges if needed)

[lunar hollow]

hopefully. i can see it being like 400-ish diamantine per lock removed (if they do that, we have no idea). but then again its fatshark so maybe the monkey's paw curling will be that the item starts completely locked or smth

[plucky flax]

I would prefer unlimited unlocks, but yeah even once is fine as it'll still be easy to make best weapon providing RNG give you a nice modifiers spread.

It just means for different builds you'll have to have multiple weapons.

[lunar hollow]

most solutions are leagues better than what we have currently, lol

[hidden crystal]

I'm hoping they price unlocking (if they do it) at a level that's sustainable in the long run, rather than a level that assumes "Hey, everyone's got tens of thousands of diamantine!"

[lunar hollow]

even 600 diamantine isn't too insane, considering that's like at most 3 damnation runs

as it stands currently diamantine is like, the opposite of a bottleneck. most weapons get filtered out of your tolerance zone for bad RNG before you ever use any of it

[plucky flax]

@spice veldt my psyker overtook the ogryn. But still RIP plasteels.

[lunar hollow]

i don't really know how much that changes with whatever they do in the next patch, either. if you still have to buy a shit ton of brunt's weapons before you get your ideal forever illisi or whatever, you're gonna be bottlenecked by ordos like you were before

ideally i would say the number would probably be like 300-ish per lock. cuz it takes 2 damnation matches with a bit of loot goblining to upgrade a weapon fully, and that would add 1... maybe 2 total matches needed to fully 'complete' the weapon

[plucky flax]

On Thursday "jk guys locks are staying"

[lunar hollow]

lmfao

god that would be hilarious

[hidden crystal]

Well, it's going to be hard to avoid one bottleneck or another, unless they provide a way to trade the resources.

It's been ages since I last played VT2, but I thought you could trade rarer materials for more common ones, at least.

[plucky flax]

Yeah

You can concert dust.

And you get much more items per map completion to salvage.

Level up chest + map chest.

3 items per chest.

[hidden crystal]

But as someone who doesn't play that intensively (I'm about 300 hours, not 3000 or whatever), it's almost always down to plasteel. It takes something like 2000 to completely consecrate an item and re-roll/re-bless things you don't like (and that'll only go up if you need to reroll several things in future), and in the time it takes me to grind that up (mostly at Heresy), occasionally watching the Armoury browser plug-in means I can pick and choose only good item rolls out of the main armoury, rather than Brunt just throwing crap at me.

[spice veldt]

better than josho wow

[hidden crystal]

I might actually play more enthusiastically if my first thought on getting a good weapon from the armoury wasn't "That's great, but now I'm scared to let Hadron anywhere near it".

[plucky flax]

Psyker is op. It'll be my most played eventually. I'm not even doing contracts in the other 3 dudes this week.

Gotta spread the warp energy of tzeentch

Magnus is my daddy

[spice veldt]

i met a trauma psyker who had more melee damage than ranged damage

i am happy

[lunar hollow]

fucking scoreboard users smh

[spice veldt]

i'll eat you

they also saved me from when I got dogged

[lunar hollow]

you cant bring urself to do that smh

[lunar hollow]

what a hero

[spice veldt]

you'll have to become a psyker main so that I obtain the will to do so

[lunar hollow]

that sounds like a bad thing

[spice veldt]

that's like the first time I think that I've been saved from getting hounded by a trauma

[lunar hollow]

disincentive smh

[spice veldt]

so it certainly stuck in my mind

[lunar hollow]

get hounded more often

[spice veldt]

no

[lunar hollow]

itll happen more

[spice veldt]

true

i didn't think of that

[lunar hollow]

its ok we're not all as clever as i am

[feral inlet]

useable?

[lunar hollow]

not bad

i would swap groaners for maniac and deflector for unstable personally. blessing is more personal choice but maniac is pretty necessary for the h2 mutie one shot

i like a low warp res on the deimos since the special is kinda dangerous in most situations and i just wanna spam the activation for peril to one shot muties, but it's not necessarily mandatory

[feral inlet]

im just going to stick with deflector until i get unstable4

going to run these and use purgatus

since im giving up illisi for deimos

[plucky flax]

Try duelling sword with purg for the swag

[near wyvern]

Why on earth inner tranq with Purgatus, WU for the ez one shots and additional BB break points (also increases your flame damage)

As long as you have enemies you will quell through battle meditation, purge is not peril heavy

[plucky flax]

Pygex I'm gonna try and switch it up with purg now. Gonna run 112112.

Pray for me.

[feral inlet]

i only have 56% warp res

guess ill run WU on purg from now on then

dont really like the deimos tbh

gonna stick with illisi

[grizzled iris]

Wait, he didn't blow up a burster in your face? Heresy...

[plucky flax]

Without communion the warp charge is so bad.

[grizzled iris]

That is a skill issue right there

[runic juniper]

Bro is using the worst feat combination and blaming the sword 💀💀

[spice veldt]

funni oneshot on a crusher with kinetic flayer + buffs from my force sword (and a crit) https://streamable.com/kqxcad

[lyric burrow]

I think ive seen similar clips from josho where it was the reverse and you got one shot by a crusher as well

[spice veldt]

...

a crusher a day keeps one healthy

[near wyvern]

Whyyyyy, it's so glorious
https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10?start=35

[feral inlet]

its mostly the moveset that im not a fan of

the damage is really good

[plucky flax]

Illisi superiority my fren.

[near wyvern]

Mind fuckery to have Deimos model on Illisi

[near wyvern]

Why use horde clear melee with horde clear ranged, you can't dual wield them anyways

[spice veldt]

🙂

[royal hollow]

Hello gay little people in my phone

[lunar hollow]

hi

[spice veldt]

so frustrating to have a game end because I made a stupid choice and that I know I could have absolutely done better

there was a dog running around aggroed on me, and there was a burster to my right

and I figured that I could be greedy by killing the burster first and then dealing with the dog

but the dog came for me faster than I thought and I got fucked

and I would've lived if I just dealt with the dog first and then the burster because the burster was a god damn mile away from me anyways

[lyric burrow]

Ulting at the dog to keep it at bay while you push the burster would also work probs

But yeah dogs are like my no.1 priority esp with there inconsistency

[spice veldt]

yeah that was the doubly stupid thing on my part

my ult was also up

AGHHHH

we were 3/4ths our way through excise vault, and the team got split up by an elite patrol + horde + special wave

[lyric burrow]

If they are running around in a horde and dont do the pounce wind up animation its over

[spice veldt]

and me and another player managed to survive and clean it up until another special wave spawned

so I basically survived the hardest part and failed at the easiest

[lunar hollow]

at least you didn't get overheaded by an easily avoidable crusher while rescuing someone

would take a real idiot to let that happen

[spice veldt]

shut up

you weren't invited

mr you ngesr

[lunar hollow]

you appreciate my presence

smh

[spice veldt]

but not the words that occasionally come out of you

[lunar hollow]

😦

[spice veldt]

the heretics are gonna make it out of tertium with this one

[hidden crystal]

Been there, done that.

[spice veldt]

I even had a second chance because a flamer freed me, but I kited in the wrong direction and my 20 remaining hp ass got grabbed by a mutant

[near wyvern]

If you roll blazing spirit 4 on it you have the greatest blue fire sword in existence

Cause the biggest problem with Illisi is it slaps so hard there is no one left to be burned

[lyric burrow]

Yeah unironically keep it and see how it does with t4 blazing

[steel flame]

what in the world is happeneing today, ive had 3 missions in a row where people under 20 are trying to do damnation hi intensity shock troop

they go about as well as you expect

turns into a 3 person team after the first horde

[fresh panther]

Every game I played yesterday was like this

Works okay until the level 16 bolter vet runs out of ammo in the second room

[analog solstice]

Can someone help me get the psyker penance where you need to deal 90% of a monsters health in a private match? 🥺🥺🥺

should be pretty easy with a shield ogryn i think vs a daemonhost or if we find a beast of nurgle

i can help you with a penance too in return if you need help doing a penance

[broken carbon]

shield ogryn or someone with kinetic deflection

or plague ogryns, you can loop their attacks and make them super easy to kill

[steel flame]

If I had an ogryn above level 10 id help

Only play psyker though and I'm off to work

[lyric burrow]

Id be down if i wasnt at work, might be able to ping looking for games

[analog solstice]

Ah, that's too bad, thanks for trying to help out though 👍

[plucky flax]

4 psykers gang.

Got a lvl 27 and a lvl 1300+.

[lyric burrow]

I get some pretty wide ranges lol

[plucky flax]

Clearly I was the superior psyker.

[warped kernel]

Been using this lately after mainly using a staff with rending shockwave and warp flurry (III and IV respectively), and while it's harder to say how effective the blazing spirit is, I really feel like warp nexus paired with the +5% crit chance is better than anything I've used before. I'm still able to deal with hordes but the high crit chance means I take out elites pretty readily and consistently and I don't need to charge as many right clicks since enemies die faster. Obviously the quell speed is a bit lower than I'd like and actively noticeable, but damn if this high crit chance isn't fun.

i don't feel like i miss warp flurry as much as I thought I would. This is on Damnation ofc

[plucky flax]

Aye my blaze trauma in an ideal situation can 2 shot a mauler.

I have + flak on mine.

[warped kernel]

yeah, I'm taking out maulers and the like far faster than I expected. The +carapace armor was better than the other perk so stuck with it.

[plucky flax]

It's extremely hard to build though. You want all modifiers high pretty much.

• RNG for blazing spirit or nexus 4.

[warped kernel]

Fair, guess I lucked out while also having to deal with the noticeable quell speed

[plucky flax]

Bonbon got brain farted

[lyric burrow]

Blazing trauma is very good but more particular to use

[plucky flax]

My 2 best blaze trauma staves

When they remove locks this will be really good base to work on

Red trauma staff with all 100% stats.

[harsh urchin]

they wont remove locks lol

it's antithetical to their design goals

at most they'll let you upgrade the tier of a locked mod

[whole oxide]

unfortunately, I've never seen a developer overturn their design, it's always the customers that are wrong, somehow

they'll fart out the xbox version, take the payday from that, and move on

[harsh urchin]

you have.

and you end up with dogshit games lol

[plucky flax]

Illisi blaze trauma. Joined late at the stairs area near the first event. This was quite painful.

[harsh urchin]

blizzard does it quite often

and that's how they ruined ow1 and hots initially

[plucky flax]

We will learn about da truth this thursday.

Probably be like "Nah we won't remove locks"

[blissful radish]

instead they lock all of the perks and blessings

[bleak tulip]

I almost wish I was as excited about the thursday annoucement but I am but a jaded fuck

its just gonna be "new map, here's a sneak peek at the other subclasses we'll add next year, see ya"

[harsh urchin]

sienna's 4th subclass btw

[plucky flax]

For some reason they didn't bother to make blazing spirit t4 for staff.

Even +4 stacks would be nice.

[harsh urchin]

it's probably intentional

same reason why the lasguns are capped at +2 infernus

and only laspistol and hellbore get +3

[plucky flax]

Having a t3 blessing makes me sadge.

But I guess the same for blaze away.

[harsh urchin]

you know the funny thing

is that even though the lasguns are capped at +2 infernus

they "questionably" stack it better than laspistol and hellbore

since recon2/7 apply 8 stacks on crit, and the recon6 applies 10 stacks on crit

[plucky flax]

Yeah recon las with the crit string go cray cray

[somber spindle]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1030392603029557308 damnation

[urban hearth]

i think the helbore and infantry lasguns should have different requirements to stack infernus

crits for recon, weakspot hits for infantry, charged shots for helbore

[plucky flax]

Then I'd be tempted to run opening salva infernus for infantry. But helbore onslaught and no respite is too valuable.

[harsh urchin]

there's a lot of things that could've made the game more interesting tbh

like differentiating between bleed, burn, soulblaze etc; like imagine if one of them made enemies take more damage (reduced on bosses), different DoTs that stack exponentially vs linearly with stacks, having soulblaze feats be not dogshit, etc

linear scaling is interesting in the sense that you can allow it to function with 1 feat essentially

like how saltzpyre's flense bleed is effective by itself

exponential scaling allows you to reward something like a flamethrower via flamer/purg; but the gameplay consists of going all in and stacking it as much as possible

[plucky flax]

I use wildfire and ascendant blaze on all my burn build.

[steel flame]

Now hang on there kiddo. Don't be throwin shade at my baby soul blaze feats

[harsh urchin]

sorry but ur baby has an ugly face

but i'm sure he/she has a great personality

[steel flame]

Just cause you don't understand how to use them doesn't mean they suck

[urban hearth]

me whenever someone talks shit about plasma gun

[olive ember]

@cyan notch I can’t believe these fucking zoomers complaining about lack of content in darktide

[urban hearth]

when i see complain the game is shit and not worth the money and they have 2000 hours played

like sounds like you get way more than the cost out of it my dude

[olive ember]

Idk I just find it hilarious that the guy ended up blaming the zoomers

[cyan notch]

lol

maybe he really loves collecting mats infinitely

[regal jasper]

Wait im confused is he pro or anti darktide

[slow raven]

the game is shit but it's worth the money, $40 aint that much

[regal jasper]

I love darktide

Literally like one of the only things that i can do and not want to die anymore

Darktide, mtg(sometimes) and my boyfriend only things keeping me sane rn on god

[restive slate]

Ahhh Darktide Stockholms syndrome

[regal jasper]

I like darktide

Like honestly

I get why people hate it

But I’ve never encountered half the bugs they complain about and im content with what i got

[restive slate]

Perhaps by coming weekend there'll be an update that'll excite us more than disappoint us haha

[regal jasper]

Hell my staff is ass by meta standards but my voidstrike staff goes boom and that makes me happy

[restive slate]

Oh I complain a lot but that doesn't mean I hate the game

[slow raven]

i dont think anybody who actually plays the game hates it, if you havent abandoned it by this point then obviously you like it to some degree. just disappointed

[strong gulch]

Darktide is my favorite game, but yeah I get why people get annoyed or complain about it.

There are critiques of the game that get lost in so many petty shitposts tho.

[regal jasper]

Ok maybe not ass but idk

It makes big boom

[restive slate]

There's also the hypetrain of hating something that gets overblown in time to ridiculous proportions

[strong gulch]

Like criticize the game. In fact, criticize everything.

[restive slate]

Gun Psykers are an example

[spice veldt]

people overlapping their hatred of pub players running that build onto the build itself

[restive slate]

Not meta but not bad tbh, can be tweaked for min max meta etc haha

[strong gulch]

Big booms are fun. This is definitely playable. Sure damage is low and terrifying barrage can be switched to something better, but that is min/maxing thoughts.

[slow raven]

i dont think terrifying barrage is as useless as people say, it definitely works. i mean i dont run it but at least it does what it's supposed to do lol

[restive slate]

Problem is it's not as useful as other blessings. Which FS needs to work out, I wanna play around with all blessings and possible combinations, not grind over 100 weapons for only one or two good blessings out of the pool

[slow raven]

yeah that's why the locks are so bad, it really discourages experimentation. if you have a perfect statted staff you're not going to ever lock terrifying barrage over a meta pick

[spice veldt]

or you'll have to hoard 10000 weapons

and the game has essentially no inventory management system of any sort besides sorting

[strong gulch]

I don't think it's useless either. I feel a difference with it on most noticeably on voistrike. I can keep the balls going when a horde closes in because everything stops before it gets to me.

I can also feel the difference on purg if enemies get behind me while I set things on fire. That being said, better positioning should take care of that.

But as previously mentioned, there are more efficient options for clearing enemies.

[strong gulch]

The Hadron iventory sorting and chracter inventory sorting behaving differently sends me up a wall.

Unrelated, the triangle/ 3 point crosshair that staves and some guns have scrambles my brains.

I got the Crosshair Remap mod and it is helping.

[spice veldt]

yeah I much prefer the cross/shotgun/square-ish crosshairs since they're more accurate and indicative of the spread

[strong gulch]

valid

[spice veldt]

i changed that assault crosshair on my staffs to a dot; though that becomes a problem when I'm using the autopistol

[strong gulch]

I just always end up not aiming with the middle and focus on one of the larger outside point to aim with. 😂 💀

[spice veldt]

i like to minmax my crosshair placement back from when I played L4D2 with the hipfire spread

[mint oracle]

preacher main dabbling in psyker, is this voidstrike any good?

never seen surge before

[harsh urchin]

crit vs is not great currently

somewhat off-meta

[strong gulch]

paging @spice veldt 👆 for Surge info on voidstrike.

[shadow wigeon]

Transfer Peril/Warp Flurry is the "good" option, but Surge does put out some damage.

[harsh urchin]

i believe current meta is that one yes ^^

[spice veldt]

unfortunately I don't know much about voidstrikes

[strong gulch]

gotcha thanks

[spice veldt]

I am devoted to my trauma + illisi

[harsh urchin]

the problem with crit vs is that you're giving up the ability to spam since you're dropping transfer peril.

[slow raven]

i think it's possible to cancel your surge proc by quelling too quickly, so keep an eye on that

[strong gulch]

If I remember right, surge on voistrike does decent damage but can have issues with the surge shot hitting nothing because the main ball killed things already.

I can't remember if surge works on voidstrike M2.

[shadow wigeon]

Unless you are rich qith milkbucks, I wouldn't necessarily buy that. But... you are fast tracking to a meme weapon, so, if you're flush I would buy it just to fill out the collection.
Transfer Peril/Warp Flurry is substantially better for non quell cancel play

[shadow wigeon]

It does, it generates a non-crit shot

[strong gulch]

Thanks for the clarification.

[shadow wigeon]

It's almost like adding +100% damage on crits, but not quite. Because it may not have a target.

[mint oracle]

Thanks for the info everyone

[harsh urchin]

there's also that fire voidstrike setup, but that one is a meme

[shadow wigeon]

If you do buy it and don't love it, don't judge voidstrike on it. Transfer Peril/Warp Flurry feels like a different staff.

[strong gulch]

💯

[mint oracle]

I used lower level voidstrikes while leveling and quite enjoy it--I'll keep that in mind

I've actually enjoyed all the staves except for trauma, that one I can't get my head around

[shadow wigeon]

Trauma feels very bad when levelling, but it's arguably the strongest staff at endgame.

Very weird to give it to players so early, when it requires a lot of game understanding to not make total mess of things.

[lyric burrow]

It also scales terribly at 20% stats

[slow raven]

trauma really needs high charge rate and blasst radius, and tbh it really benefits from high warp resistance and quell speed too. i would probably try to get 75+ in every stat but allow damage and quell to be as low as 60

[mint oracle]

Yeah, trauma and surge definitely feel way more late game oriented since their strength is in dealing with elites and big enemies and there's not a ton of those early

[spice veldt]

trauma is nice for taking good initial engagements on shooter patrols

[bleak tulip]

buy the staff for the potential of the blessing alone tbh

[spice veldt]

or if they're dense

[slow raven]

also it does a lot better if you charge the M2 to full or close to full. low charge shots are only good for cc

[lyric burrow]

Surge id still put with void in being weaker

But fine

[shadow wigeon]

And your team needs to know what to do with a staggered or stunned enemy, ideally.

[strong gulch]

Voidstrike and trauma specifically have wildly different build and gameplay.

Like flurry trauma vs blaze trauma play differently.

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/zefelv

[lyric burrow]

Those opportunities are so great

[spice veldt]

you could also have just rushed them with melee, but it's nice for when you can't get out of position

[lunar hollow]

i wanna build a trauma that can 1 shot shotgunners

[lyric burrow]

It takes a group of enemies that can usually take time to clear/you back into them and screw yourself

Trauma just invalidates that

Assuming you cant just force melee

[spice veldt]

and just being really nice at staggering groups of shooters to enable your melee

even if you don't kill them with trauma

[bleak tulip]

getting fire proc might technically do it if you wait

[lunar hollow]

trauma is like a paul/crusher except its entire blast radius kills/significantly hurts most things

[lyric burrow]

also assuming shooters Cooperate and take out melee

[lunar hollow]

which, crazily enough, makes it fucking nuts if you're the 1st guy to engage with most groups of enemies

since u just snap and all the ambient spawns disappear

[lyric burrow]

Fatshark really just gave weapons infinite cleave

As if thats not inherently insane

[spice veldt]

in a horde shooter game

[bleak tulip]

and then didn't give it to void

[spice veldt]

world war z had the sanity to put a target cap on explosions

[lunar hollow]

fatshark does that and also makes shooters basically delete your toughness instantaneously

it's a very swing-y type of combat

[bleak tulip]

[lyric burrow]

And it stuns

[lunar hollow]

you're doing very well or you're eating shit

with minimal in-between

[lyric burrow]

Then i get staggered again

And now i have no momentum

[bleak tulip]

just don't spend all your stam

[lyric burrow]

I get why bullets can stagger you but god does it feel like trash

[lunar hollow]

i like the toughness system

[lyric burrow]

Oh is that how it works

[spice veldt]

it's not from being out of stamina

it's from sprinting

[lunar hollow]

since it incentivzes good movement and positioning

[lyric burrow]

I didnt know stam affected

[spice veldt]

you get staggered if hit by ranged attacks while sprinting

[bleak tulip]

no I was talking about melee and meming

[spice veldt]

o

[lyric burrow]

Toughness is fine the stagger annoys me a little

[bleak tulip]

only ogryn get to not get slowed down by bullets

[spice veldt]

sprinting also makes melee attacks deal heavy stagger to you instead of light stagger

[bleak tulip]

just slide

always slide

never not slide

[lunar hollow]

the stagger is necessary to create a threat from shooters

[spice veldt]

yeah otherwise we could just sprint-slide for days

[lunar hollow]

if you aren't like actually denied any area by a bunch of gunners you have no incentive to stop and shoot

[bleak tulip]

picking up your mug? slide
going to buy bananas, slide

[lunar hollow]

'we'

[lyric burrow]

I slide into melee enemies even

[lunar hollow]

TWBS moment

[lyric burrow]

There is no need to

[spice veldt]

shut up zealot main

[lunar hollow]

already possible bb

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i do get why it exists

But when the gunner spawns behind me and blast me im a little sad

However i should have heard him

[lunar hollow]

the fun part about shooters is finding ways to BS the toughness system so you're practically immortal to ranged fire anyways

[lyric burrow]

You could just play vet

[spice veldt]

warp absorption moment

you can be really tanky against ranged attacks with warp absorption as long as there are enemies to kill

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/ct1qrk

god bless whoever came up with confident strike

[spice veldt]

and gunner resistance helps against reapers/gunners which are tankier and can lock you

[lyric burrow]

The only gameplay thing i actually hate in this game is dogs

Lunging can be annoying but i get that too

[spice veldt]

yeah fuckers are the most deceiving little shits

[lunar hollow]

playing vs disablers with bad ping is such an awful experience

[spice veldt]

trappers give you a good amount of time to react, and same for mutants

dogs are the most bullshit in their fast reset time and fast movement speed

[lyric burrow]

Dogs do if they do the wind up animation

And pushing works

[bleak tulip]

i love running after dogs getting staggered for days by ranged weapons that they're functionally resistant too

[strong gulch]

when they are silent >.>

[spice veldt]

you have really only one opportunity to kill them in certain situations, and you can get fucked if you don't kill them in that opportunity

[lunar hollow]

dude you must've not been on the receiving end of the legendary -> start voiceline -> light stagger -> voiceline speeds up and complets anyways -> net shot with no sound cue

i've had that happen once or twice

[spice veldt]

sounds like a not-psyker problem

[lunar hollow]

the most tilting shit ever

[lyric burrow]

But when they insta jump and my push doesnt work for some random reason

And i die

[spice veldt]

imagine not having an ult that staggers without moving you around

[lyric burrow]

For the 679th time

[lunar hollow]

hounds can move through solid objects

they will jump at you with 0 wind up animation

[strong gulch]

When you hit a dog and it flies up much isn't dead then it's on you.

[lunar hollow]

and sometimes just appear out of nowhere

[spice veldt]

and the timing on the hounds' lunges can be so random

[lyric burrow]

Even mutants can be janky but i dont mind that

[spice veldt]

I got fucked once because a hound decided to wait a bit before lunging

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/4tvxzz

[lyric burrow]

There supposed to wait

[strong gulch]

When you get a hit off on a dog and it's bleeding or has fire on it but still gets you.

[lyric burrow]

But its actually rare they do

[spice veldt]

i think it's a bit of both

but the rarity of it and the randomness of it fucks me over a lot

[bleak tulip]

dogs are pretty inconsistent because they're more affected by latency it feels like

[lyric burrow]

Poxbursters not dying on shove if they arent targeting you can also be awkward

[lunar hollow]

the best part about hounds is that there is no like guaranteed solution to killing them if you're not certain you have a good connection

[bleak tulip]

yes

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/kir5t5

[lyric burrow]

+the game has bad server hit reg rn anyway

So you just phantom

[bleak tulip]

be surrounded by hound targets can't get me if they get the other guys

[lunar hollow]

'rn'
(it always has)

[lyric burrow]

Its worse

[lunar hollow]

it has always been awful

[lyric burrow]

I swear it wasnt this bad before

[lunar hollow]

it most certainly was

[bleak tulip]

it's always been like this lok

[lunar hollow]

the hitreg in this game has never been good

[lyric burrow]

Maybe i just had better connection before

[lunar hollow]

but you know

for as bad as hounds are

at least they werent last patch bulwarks

https://streamable.com/e5fvwx

[lyric burrow]

I also dont miss unusable bursters

(It still happens anyway)

[bleak tulip]

get anim canceled fool

[lunar hollow]

very cool game

they fixed it fairly fast

[bleak tulip]

krill issue

[lunar hollow]

so im not too mad about it

but you would have to drastically alter how you dealt with bulwarks when it was a thing

and it make playing vet in general awkward as fuck

[lyric burrow]

Shooters not meleeing you was also annoying

Simply use plasma gun

[lunar hollow]

i would run brauto and have to do these weird matador tricks to be able to kill a bulwark

[bleak tulip]

man playing other classes makes me appreciate how fucking annoying they are without a psyker on the team or in groups

as psyker you just" slide BB lmao"

[lyric burrow]

Thankfully offensively they suck

No stam damage and easy to dodge

[lunar hollow]

the shield bash doesnt hurt u anymore

so theyre fairly harmless

[lyric burrow]

But they are awkward to get around

Which is the point

[lunar hollow]

i find crushers are far more effective at actually screening for other elites

since you can't literally ignore them as much

[lyric burrow]

Crushers are just better bulwarks

[bleak tulip]

it's more the hilarious view of your 3 teammates mashing on it trying to circle around and failing

[lyric burrow]

They block you just as well and also kill you

[lunar hollow]

bulwarks are nice though. they add a different layer to dealing with patrols since they supersede normal target priority

[strong gulch]

Too bad no pinning fire IV.

[lunar hollow]

crushers don't really have the issue of locking on to you and swinging their hitbox (that is still a bit too large for the actual model) to block shots/hits

[spice veldt]

josho bullrushing past the bulwarks and leaving them for me to deal with 🥲

[lunar hollow]

walking around a bulwark can be really annoying if its aggro'd on you

[lyric burrow]

I find dodging them mostly consistent

[lunar hollow]

I KILL THE ENEMIES

YOU CALL ME A THIEF

I LET YOU DEAL WITH THE ENEMIES YOU'RE ALREADY BBING

[spice veldt]

yeah

you're a thief either way

[lunar hollow]

YOU BITCH ABOUT IT

LSDAGJJGFSDBLKGHBSFLJFSHBG

[spice veldt]

thief

[strong gulch]

Love trying to BB a bulwark but all of the little things behind it get the BB targeting instead.

[lunar hollow]

most of the time i do that

[lyric burrow]

But sometimes i get hit like i forgot to level adaptability in ds2

[spice veldt]

yeah i have to remind myself to aim a little higher

[lunar hollow]

the plan is to kill the shit behind the bulwark

and u deal with the bulwark

and hopefully a bunch of specials dont spawn behind us thus making my overextension no longer have team support

[spice veldt]

or i suddenly have to attend to something and run away

[lunar hollow]

it is more efficient in most cases

to just let u BB something

[spice veldt]

yeah

[lunar hollow]

since we can divide our attention instead of both trying to kill it

[spice veldt]

i also just BB bulwarks anyways because of my pub experiences

[boreal wave]

What blessings are your guys' favorites on the surge staff?

[spice veldt]

I have ZERO trust in my teammates to ever kill staggered bulwarks

[lyric burrow]

Flurry/nexus

[lunar hollow]

flurry + nexus or terrifying barrage

im not very sold on terrifying barrage but some people use it

[lunar hollow]

TRUE

[boreal wave]

I was gonna say. I lways thought terrifying barrage was kind of a joke.

[lunar hollow]

staggering enemies in pubs just means you have time to kill something else before going back to it

[strong gulch]

flurry + nexus for me too

[lyric burrow]

Do people not kill staggered bulwarks

[spice veldt]

not in my pubs

[lunar hollow]

if you have my MMR people don't kill anything

[bleak tulip]

pretty much

[spice veldt]

the one that I remembered consistently killing bulwarks I staggered was a ripper ogryn (not josho)

[lyric burrow]

With vet ill charge up a plasma shot on there head when i see a psyker in the process of BBing one and shot when the bb goes off

Instant kill

[boreal wave]

Interesting. How do you guys feel about run and gun? I guess I got addicted to the ability to run while charging it.

[lyric burrow]

Its uh

[lunar hollow]

useless

[lyric burrow]

Not great

[bleak tulip]

bad

just slide

[spice veldt]

you can sprint while charging w/o run n gun

run n gun only affects the LMB

[harsh urchin]

The build variety in this game is not particularly its strength

[lunar hollow]

i have yet to meet a ripper ogryn that does anything as well as i do it

tbf

[harsh urchin]

there are clear outliers in weapons due to overtuned perks/blessings

[lunar hollow]

which isn't a flex, most pub ogryns just kinda shoot walls and shit

[spice veldt]

I've met some decent ogryns lately

[lunar hollow]

or dump their ammo into poxwalkers

[spice veldt]

despite their low levels

[boreal wave]

I'll give flurry and nexus a shot then.

[spice veldt]

knowing when to use their ranged/melee and not bullrushing into hordes

people that have proper gamesense

[lyric burrow]

In there defense this is satisfying into a horde

Im bad at controlling the 3 shot burst

[lunar hollow]

bullrushing into hordes is cool so long as u hit S and just use the attack speed

[boreal wave]

Flurry seemed bad to me because I only ever fully charge for the initial blast in a fight.

[bleak tulip]

prob people bored and playing ogryn, I know I sm

[spice veldt]

I can't say the same for pub psykers

[lyric burrow]

Think i have low stability tho

[lunar hollow]

i've had pub ogryns actively playing for the enemy team

[spice veldt]

even when they're lvl 200/300/etc.

[lunar hollow]

fucking shield/rumbler shitters planting and letting enemies walk past

and then knocking stuff out of your crosshair with rumbler explosions that do not kill what you were swinging at

[harsh urchin]

I wish ogryn was more fun to play

[lyric burrow]

Thr ogryn charging through a horde for no reason

[harsh urchin]

the melee weapons for oggy just ain't it

[strong gulch]

Surge staff damage hits harder the longer you charge. You can take armour out faster.

[lyric burrow]

Or dumping a stubber mag into a crusher then saying i need ammo

[bleak tulip]

the one good knife is kinda fun but I'm sure it's ass again on 5

[olive ember]

Basically it was one of those classic steam chart posts showing darktide only had like 2k players peak and the guys response was to blame the zoomers

[boreal wave]

Yeah but the damage even charged never seemed that fantastic for me. It was mostly a CC tool in my mind.

[lunar hollow]

bull butcher is goddamn nuts

[lyric burrow]

Its fine

[spice veldt]

oh there was another pub psyker that was really nice, and they knew how to use their melee (though they could've spammed the special on illisi a bit more)

[lyric burrow]

The clubs are good too

[lunar hollow]

it is one of the 2 strongest melee weapons in the game

[spice veldt]

I like my focused channeling on Surge for how I play into shooters, though it's been some time since I've used surge

[lyric burrow]

Well 2 of the clubs

[boreal wave]

This is very interesting input though and I'll try to kit out a surge staff with flurry/nexus the next time I feel like blowing some credits on one. What perks should go with it?

[strong gulch]

I like surge for shooters

[lunar hollow]

BB + ripper lets you turn decision making off and you're basically a walking bossfight for the heretics

[lyric burrow]

Crit/flak or cara

[bleak tulip]

I wish more channels had tier lists like ogryn channel so I didn't have to try out 8 bad weapons and can just get used to the ones that aren't outright trolling

[boreal wave]

There's a crit perk? I've literally never seen it

[regal jasper]

Oh lmao

[lunar hollow]

there's crit chance and crit damage

crit damage is awful, never touch it

crit chance is situationally okay-to-good

[lyric burrow]

Oh yeah i meant chance

[lunar hollow]

surge has nice crit modifiers. crit chance ain't the worst but it isn't exactly a damage staff

[lyric burrow]

I literally forgot damage was an option

[regal jasper]

On damnation it 1 shots hoards but i guess on elites it is a bit more lacking dmg wise

[spice veldt]

I would make a tier list like that but I also only use like 3 weapons

[strong gulch]

Surge staff is strong against metal armour. Carapace to a lesser degree. So you can leans into that strength.

OR

Makeup for the unarmoured weakness and slap unarmoured on it for dreg shooters. Cultis assault soemthing?? idk what they are called.

[lunar hollow]

i would make a tier list but i have biases for and against weapons that cloud my views

[lyric burrow]

Void would be left off

[lunar hollow]

and also my perspective on how to play probably isn't that helpful to the average player

[boreal wave]

Yeah that's why I always liked run and gun with it, and maybe focused so I can move around with it and not get the charge interrupted at the start of a fight.

[lunar hollow]

to the pits of HELL with that fucking thing

banish it.

[bleak tulip]

could at least do it for melee, so people know not to use anything but the two force swords that aren't just worse

[lunar hollow]

i've thought about making a guns tier list for vet chat

but those people are all... uh... not very knowledgeable about the game and have weird opinions on weapons

[bleak tulip]

I certainly wouldn't wanna be the guy to make the ranged psyker weapons list

average vet gamer

[lunar hollow]

and anything i posted would have people coming out of the woodworks to tell me plasma isnt significantly worse than current godroll bolter

[strong gulch]

A lot of it vibes.

[lunar hollow]

psyker's staff options are also like, fairly subjective

your use of them comes down to playstyle

[bleak tulip]

but fr are most of vet talents just ass, I never votherd before recently and holy shit they feel so low impact compared to psyker

[lunar hollow]

it's very much just point and click

[lyric burrow]

I think plasma is very good but the ammo economy can be awkward on regular shooter heavy maps

[bleak tulip]

half of them feel like they're about fucking grenades

[lunar hollow]

and your feats help you reduce the amount of effort needed to point and click, really

[lunar hollow]

plasma is good. plasma does not kill 3 crushers in 1.5 seconds like bolter does

bolter is overtuned as hell and some people don't really get that ig

[lyric burrow]

Yeah bolter busted

[bleak tulip]

it's been this way forever how have they still not got it

[lyric burrow]

Even its weaknesses get nullified by vet

[regal jasper]

I feel bad starting with psykers cuz i felt the power of a god too early and don’t want to lvl the other classes

[lunar hollow]

reload speed + counterfire bolter giving you infinite uptime on volley fire with like the 2nd slowest reload vet weapon is just

[regal jasper]

Not even touching zealot

[lunar hollow]

so funny

[boreal wave]

It IS nice to not have to scavange for grenades and ammo. That's like, half the perks of a psyker right there

[bleak tulip]

i used to kinda like zealot as my secondary, now its reliably the last one I do my melkies for, begrudgingly

[lyric burrow]

Funny enough vet doesnt do it either

[bleak tulip]

I'd rather play ogryn

[lunar hollow]

vet has the most team-beneficial feats/passives and the most team detrimental

[bleak tulip]

ogryn is fun

[lyric burrow]

Yeah zealots fun for a little every once in a while

[lunar hollow]

it simultaneously has both ammo and nade regen

but also can fuck your team over with camo expert

[lyric burrow]

Games with no vet and 4 people using guns is ass

[lunar hollow]

zealot is fun, i just like, ran out of things to do on that class lol

[bleak tulip]

biggest toughness pool, gets talent that makes enemies shoot everyone else

[lunar hollow]

i've solo clutched on hishock, i've outdamaged plasma/bolter vets with thammer

got all the penances n shit

[spice veldt]

and said talent competes with unwavering

[lyric burrow]

And a blessing for it

[lunar hollow]

i've ran damn near every weapon on that class at some point

probably still my favorite playstyle wise

[boreal wave]

Yeah camo expert can fuck right off.

[lunar hollow]

camo expert is too 'im the main character' for my liking

since it relies on you being the only one running it

[bleak tulip]

imagine if you had a melee weapon that actually killed shit on zealot, because I haven't gotten one yet

[lunar hollow]

to get the most benefit

[lyric burrow]

I dont get the point when you can just be invincible anyway

[lyric burrow]

Hsword fucking

[boreal wave]

When the game released, I was a psyker on a computer that struggled to maintain a stable 23 fps. I sucked bad at melee. I regularly ended up in games with three vets all with camo expert.

[lyric burrow]

Turns my brain off

Cause it kills so well

[lunar hollow]

hsword has really funny combos where u can open bulwarks with a fuckin shove with the right build

[cosmic sigil]

I prefer caxes.

[bleak tulip]

it's certainly better and I got one recently but man, you go illisi you don't go back, don't do fs kids

you'll end up like arco

5000 levels in psyker using the same sword

because it's that good

[lunar hollow]

zealot gets a million "get out of a dumb situation for free" options that psyker doesnt

so u just run around diving into things like a bowling ball and never really paying any real price for doing it if u fuck up a bit

[lyric burrow]

His grenade is insane too

[boreal wave]

Yeah I stick to Illisi and just left-right-left-right hordes.

[lyric burrow]

+free health

[lunar hollow]

holy revenant is the single best feat in the entire game if you're alone

since your hp management goes from a very dire thing you cannot fuck up to being a math game for how many times you can cheat death before you get to rescue teammates

[lyric burrow]

Ive intentionally gone down to one health and ran into a horde with hsword for a full heal

Cause i was already low

Or thunder hammered one elite

[lunar hollow]

the funny thing about holy rev is that it's one of the only times spending a bunch of hours in the psykh actually teaches you something useful

since some enemies, like hounds/flamers/muties have fucking massive HP pools but take 3x melee damage

so you can go down to 1 hp and kill a single one of those and get a shit ton back

[ornate hamlet]

I just realized why I wasn't seeing Josh post anymore

[lunar hollow]

hmmm

[spice veldt]

hmmm

[ornate hamlet]

I wonder where he is now

[lunar hollow]

he died in a tragic sodomy accident. im his brother

[spice veldt]

because josh doesn't exist

i think you mean jake

[ornate hamlet]

Nice, can his brother send me the cute waifu profile picture he's using

[lunar hollow]

his dying words were "don't call me jake you jackass"

[spice veldt]

🙂

[ornate hamlet]

Sounds like very shit and anticlimatic dying words

[harsh urchin]

good riddance

[ornate hamlet]

But I shan't speak ill of the dead in this trying moment

I'll do it tomorrow

Okay it's midnight

Wow Josh was a moron

[ornate hamlet]

Exceedingly based

[lunar hollow]

hou_jae04

[lunar hollow]

truly

[lunar hollow]

[ornate hamlet]

Reminds me of Kruber

[lunar hollow]

all i have to say on the manner is

would

[lunar hollow]

lmfao

[harsh urchin]

hah get fellated

[cosmic sigil]

and so, sodomy is bot black listed but fella yeah

[lunar hollow]

true

[mint oracle]

Thanks for the advice guys, did a damnation and got this off it lmao

low rank blessings but still

melk bucks saved

🙏

[lyric burrow]

Bare minimum can take the warp flurry off it

[mint oracle]

Yep!

I do love the purgatus melting hordes but there's something special about aiming voidstrike bolts down a corridor of mobs

[autumn smelt]

yeah the grenade ones arent that great unless you go balls to the wall with grenades, which at that point theyre only okay, but the real meat of the kit comes from the unwavering feat, combined with the toughness regen on headshot feat that also gives toughness regen, its just, so fun to literally hold W in a crowd of gunners and just not be phased by the millions of bullets heading your way

where was that one video

[steel flame]

i like having both. sending void strike bolts shoot down a corridor which then burst into flames and melt the horde

[harsh urchin]

you crazy?

[autumn smelt]

Found it lol

[harsh urchin]

1 free grenade every 60 seconds

75% damage reduction pretty much permanently if you kill shit

[autumn smelt]

as a purg/bb wrath psyker, this is what i want the vet on the team to be doing lmao

[harsh urchin]

and either a free reload for bolter or permanent ulti uptime

[broken carbon]

veteran is fair and balanced

[lunar hollow]

the aoe nade regen feat is one of those things that makes the game way fucking easier with a competent team

ogryns have damn near infinite boxes to just nuke enemies with and u have zealot stuns for days

[autumn smelt]

currently convincing my friend to use that feat instead of camo
"but i dont like getting shot"
"YEAH AND I DONT EITHER BUT YOU HAVE TWICE THE TOUGHNESS I DO"

[harsh urchin]

camo

[autumn smelt]

legit having to hide to the side as he just stands in a doorway waiting for him to pick off all the gunners cuz the moment i peek for any longer than to lock onto a bb target, im getting turned into swiss cheese cuz im the only target they can aggro

[spice veldt]

teammates who don't trade toughness with ranged enemies >:(

[autumn smelt]

it just doesnt work on psyker tho unfortunately

[broken carbon]

who cares about getting shot when it does literally no damage

[autumn smelt]

i wonder what it could do for psyker as an alternative tho

[broken carbon]

quell peril

uh

increase speed of next bb

or damage

[hidden crystal]

Camo Vet: Yes, I would like all my teammates to get shot instead, this won't be detrimental to their effectiveness or game play experience.

[spice veldt]

maybe warp charges

[broken carbon]

yeah that

[spice veldt]

i'm certainly in want of more warp charges with how I play

[broken carbon]

simply use

the 10% bb chance talent

kinetic flayer?

[spice veldt]

ye

i tend to be the looter of the team so my warp charges end up decaying

[broken carbon]

ah

[spice veldt]

and I don't like having to BB when I get to engage with enemies again

cuz that's a DPS loss most of the time

[broken carbon]

i also do looting but i’m also just really cool and awesome so i don’t lose charges

[spice veldt]

😦

i cri

[broken carbon]

your tears fuel me

[steel flame]

love it that the highest dps builds for psyker are the ones that try to avoid using bb the most

[broken carbon]

(trauma staff makes getting charges back really easy)

[broken carbon]

like which ones?

i don’t actually pay attention to build recommendations esp for psyker

[spice veldt]

true, flayer procs a shit ton with trauma

[broken carbon]

trauma staff my beloved

[spice veldt]

i did have one instance where, of all the enemies hit by my trauma, flayer decided to proc on the daemonhost

[steel flame]

lol

[broken carbon]

LMAO

[spice veldt]

that wouldn't aggro the daemonhost alone, but I had another teammate nearby so it latched onto him

anyways, not my fault of course

[lunar hollow]

i was there.

[broken carbon]

i had a game earlier where a wildfire psyker spread to a daemonhost

[lunar hollow]

i witnessed it.

[broken carbon]

almost wiped the team

[lunar hollow]

arco got himself killed because he was the 2nd target

[broken carbon]

but i am awesome with my thunder hammer

[lunar hollow]

which he FAILED TO MENTION.

[broken carbon]

and killed it

[broken carbon]

agreed

[spice veldt]

@feral verge was the unfortunate victim

anyways it was his fault

[steel flame]

clearly

[spice veldt]

what's wrong with failing to mention it huh

[lunar hollow]

lying by omission

[spice veldt]

what lie

i only speak fax

[steel flame]

not his fault you dont have a fax machine anymore

[lunar hollow]

failed to admit the embarassing truth

i would never

[spice veldt]

what embarassing truth

i had an epic 1v1 with the daemonhost after mankar failed me

[steel flame]

a true hero moment

[spice veldt]

I was then felled after this epic but vanquished it into the void

[lunar hollow]

epic 1v1 where u got ur shit kicked in as i watched

[spice veldt]

now YOU are the one speaking falsities

[lunar hollow]

wtf??? it's true though????

[spice veldt]

yeah sure kid

[lunar hollow]

smh

you're lucky i deleted the footage

[spice veldt]

my footage was lost in a shipwreck

what a shame

[lunar hollow]

he made himself look dumb and thus he avoided sharing the truth

[steel flame]

such slander

shame on you

[lunar hollow]

don't take his side

this man is evil

[spice veldt]

what about the 100 videos of you blowing me up

[lunar hollow]

deepfakes

[spice veldt]

uh huh

[lunar hollow]

in the age of AI generation can you really trust what i post on the internet

[restive slate]

AI generating blowing eh?

[patent steeple]

btw, back when i was levelling up psyker, i had a moment with surge staff where i accidentally hit a demonhost through the ceiling with a fully charged right click (it was on the upper floor, i think the map was Hab Dreyko) and i have never used surge staff since if i remember correctly...

[restive slate]

I've not touched surge staff in ages

3 out of 5 of my Psyker builds are Gun Psykers haha

I use Trauma and Purgatus for staffs

[patent steeple]

i play purg and deimos psyker usually, but sometimes i run a Rending Shockwave Trauma with illisi and am currently wanting to grind out blessings for Voidstrike

just gotta wait for the update to happen

[restive slate]

Sadly Voidstrike is my least liked staff

Maybe once Void gets Rending too haha

[patent steeple]

yeah, i can kinda see some possible reasons as to why, i mean Void's right click is basically just a chargeable left click with aoe damage and that is it.

its not exactly interesting...

although, you can make Void into a fire Trauma with more range

[restive slate]

I want it to be a ball of void, throwing enemies around as it passes by

Problem is Void has really poor crit so its harder to apply Soulblaze compared to Trauma

[autumn smelt]

i have a really good void staff but i just find it so hard to pass up the easy stagger of the purg

[restive slate]

Wildfire needed to make it more effective but I love 6 warp charge stacks