I love blowing up my teammates with trauma because they walk up to it to do a push
#psyker-class
lyric burrow
Arco if you ask josho for computer help do not listen to him when he tells you to delete win 32
lunar hollow
i only give bad advice to people who annoy me
lyric burrow
What did arco do
lunar hollow
he hasn't annoyed me
spice veldt
i don't think he's given bad advice; he's only straight up just blown me up
he likes to cut to the chase I suppose
lyric burrow
You know i figured that was a step above bad advice
lunar hollow
the pure exasperation he exudes in this clip is very comedic
spice veldt
https://streamable.com/giqugo
observe josho's psychopathic laughter
spice veldt
the sheer joy and enthusiasm that is carried by that laugh at his deplorable action
lyric burrow
Hes simply RPing
spice veldt
Hes simply RPing
TRUE
lunar hollow
thank u
"i wonder where that clip of arco dying to the crusher after saving me is"
safe crystal
Joshos laugh is very normal compared to mine, lets be fair
I have a habit of changing how i laugh mid laughter
lunar hollow
im the only one allowed to be insecure about my voice here fuck u ur laugh is fine
bleak tulip
gatekeeping insecurity smh
lyric burrow
i also hate my voice when i hear it in clips
thankfully people do not have clips of my voice
lunar hollow
i have to skip the first 6 seconds of this clip every time
lunar hollow
so true
spice veldt
https://streamable.com/jwbb9h
people don't need to see this
lyric burrow
holy shit you got destroyed
bleak tulip
safe crystal
Example of fucked up laughter
My friend absolutely hates when i low parry him, now that i know how it works
lyric burrow
tekken 👀
lunar hollow
discord clips don't have the worst fucking load times of any platform for josho challenge
failed instantly
literally never had a platform as awful as discord for watching mp4s
vale viper
This Tekken 8?
lyric burrow
nah thats 7
vale viper
Also Brian is best choice gj
bleak tulip
that shit aint even out for normal people yet
vale viper
Hey man, people are beta testing it I had to ask.
sour jetty
https://streamable.com/jwbb9h
jesus fuck that initial laugh
straight outta the Lion King
Reminds me of when me and my brother decided to watch that movie in French.
We couldnt. We were laughing too hard
ornate hamlet
cosmic sigil
literally never had a platform as awful as discord for watching mp4s
So I'm not the only one...
bleak tulip
someone help
right is the new one
I forgor 76 was the correct burn
does warp nexus 4 make up for that whaddaya think
harsh urchin
no lol
strong gulch
True
I have issues with being able to maintain enough pressure on buttons sometimes.
Not being able to hold down the block button when I need it make me eat shit sometimes. 🙃
reef ridge
strong gulch
550
strong gulch
I have a dueling sword that's 550. 💀
strong gulch
I mean, it's just for the vanity number.
elfin nexus
man that would be perfect without locked in riposte
what a shame
heres mine, i need to try swapping rampage for uncanny strike sometime
reef ridge
hawt
foggy cape
did Fatshark really forget to match the back on all these colored cosmetics
regal jasper
I like the mix of color
regal jasper
Just shows how little the imperium cares about prisoners
steel egret
did Fatshark really forget to match the back on all these colored cosmetics
No, its intentional, the backs match the bottoms
grizzled iris
Anyone tried out voidstrike with soulblaze on crit?
elfin nexus
it would be better if blazing spirit didnt cap at 6 stacks
grizzled iris
It caps at 6? Do you have any source?
safe crystal
In pins, Psyker Atheneum, first blessing on the ranged weapon blessings tab.
regal jasper
It caps at 6? Do you have any source?
My sources are that i made it the fuck up
fluid knot
Anyone tried out voidstrike with soulblaze on crit?
Yeah its relatively good
cosmic sigil
Because.
grizzled iris
But on t3 on staff is 6
Where is the source for this?
plucky flax
In pins, Psyker Atheneum, first blessing on the ranged weapon blessings tab.
Source is I made it the fuck up
rugged halo
uneven drift
New staff that you get where would be any good blessing.
granite halo
Run n gun for warp nexus
rugged halo
is there a better warp nexus lvl 2 than
safe crystal
Goes up to T4
rugged halo
ah ok
grizzled iris
behold the fire blade
jovial lark
https://i.imgur.com/h5YWb3Z.png
finally is complete, the PoxFryer3000...
sharp nacelle
jovial lark
does the double attack on crit blessing work on the secondary fire for the trauma staff?
grizzled iris
@plucky flax Testing complete, the staffs Soulblaze indeed caps out at 6 stacks, however. It is also bugged and doesn't apply 3 stacks of Soulblaze on crit, instead it applies 6 stacks from the get go.
safe crystal
No, only the primary
safe crystal
<@150967101836886016> Testing complete, the staffs Soulblaze indeed caps out at ...
If its voidstrike, its because both the AoE and direct hit both apply the stack
steel flame
<@150967101836886016> Testing complete, the staffs Soulblaze indeed caps out at ...
its very much intended
anything it passes through will get 3 stacks, anything it passes through then hit with the explosion will get 6. 1/4 charges are best for hordes as it will pass through a few enemies at the front then explode in the middle of the pack and lighting them up with alot of stacks
elites are also nice in a horde since you can use them as backboards for your explosions to light stuff up
plucky flax
So it's not 6 stacks when using trauma then
safe crystal
Trauma applies 3 per crit, gotta get luckier using trauma
plucky flax
Seems op
steel flame
I do hope one day they try to buff soul blaze on staves
And accidentally make us the most powerful build in the game
lavish plaza
what in the hell
glossy hazel
Damn this aint too shabby, any recommendations?
Think I'll replace melee damage against specials with +flak damage
Or maniacs
Exorcist seems pretty good to keep spamming the powered slash
Slaughterer is still king though
safe crystal
Nah, exorcist requires uninterrupted swings, using weapon special interrupts the swing chain. Its quick quelling after you have slaughterer stacks and light spam, though
Anything that isnt swinging interrupts the chain, basically
glossy hazel
Hmm, Uncanny IV is too good to pass up honestly so I'll probably just slap slaughterer instead of exorcist then.
One build I really want regardless of how viable it would be is Blazing Spirit + Shred/Bloodthirsty Illisi
Tried Exorcist in Psykhanium, doesn't even work 
safe crystal
From the Atheneum:
9.5 Exorcist
Requires chained repeated weak spot hits, thus, it does not trigger on FS weapon special. The description will be updated at some point.
Each weakspot hit with the swing will proc the feat except for the first attack in chain, making IFS heavy light spam to quell extremely fast on a horde.
glossy hazel
Uncanny is actually pretty comical looking, bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk dead
lyric burrow
One build I really want regardless of how viable it would be is Blazing Spirit +...
Ive heard the shred build can actually be decent whereas the bloodthirsty build you barely notice that blazing spirit is on the sword
willow escarp
Someone who understands this crafting system better - I have an orange trauma staff. I surrendered another staff with Warp Flurry 2 on it, and am trying to swap RunNGun3 on my trauma staff with the WF2. But it doesn’t show up? I had another with WF1 that I surrendered as well to check, and that also doesn’t show up. The WF1 does show up if I go to rebless on my purgatus, but not the WF2
Or does the blessing have to originally come from a trauma staff as well? And not just any staff? Assuming that’s probably it lol
strong gulch
Yes, blessings are staff specific. You have to surrender trauma blessings for other trauma staffs to use.
willow escarp
Gotcha. Thanks
Gonna be a bit of a hunt then lol. Getting specific stuff for ogryn was much easier
strong gulch
Other weapons have different mks of the same type, and those blessing can be shared on those specific weapons. Like all force swords sharing blessings.
safe crystal
Some of the staves have a very limited blessing pool, but none of them share their pool with the others
Iirc purgatus only has 3 T4 blessings, 5 in total?
Yeah, run n gun, nexus, flurry, TB and focused channeling
Incredibly deep blessing pool
steel flame
Same deal with surge
simple elk
This thing just appeared in my pocket, any suggestions?
rare furnace
what game looks badass
snow plover
Hey guys! Any cool psyker builds?
broken carbon
This thing just appeared in my pocket, any suggestions?
what level are you on psyker?
left hare
what is ilisi rotation
broken carbon
what is ilisi rotation
wdym rotation
left hare
whats the combos
broken carbon
ah
hordes just spam lights and dodge
for bigger enemies light 1, heavy 1, repeat
charge attack isn’t super useful except against crushers and sometimes maulers
left hare
I guess the name fits or something
broken carbon
shhhhhh
hordes just charge attack, dodge backwards, repeat
heavy enemies just spam the charge attack
left hare
that is the same sentence
broken carbon
yes
left hare
charge attack ungabunga here i go
broken carbon
it’s how the illisi works lmfao
harsh urchin
whats the combos
special -> heavy for everything; if you don't have space to do special->heavy, then you push, use lights, special->light until you have space for special->heavy
left hare
oh its power sword
harsh urchin
sometimes against hordes you need to do special->light->heavy or just light->light->push to make space
it's basically power sword with better stats yes
fastest horde clear is special->heavy -> special ->heavy -> special ->heavy
broken carbon
oh its power sword
more or less yeah
harsh urchin
2-3 specials will completely clear out a horde
broken carbon
but the lights are actually effective so
left hare
Anti-special ranged staff is purgatus and trauma?
willow escarp
guess I should start using Ilisi heavies lol. Noticed they’re pretty fast, but have been having good success with light spam on crowds. Just recently switched off Deimos to try it
harsh urchin
Anti-special ranged staff is purgatus and trauma?
there is no anti special ranged staff
in the game right now
most of the time you have to pull out melee and poke it or use BB
closest is probably surge
steel flame
Hey guys! Any cool psyker builds?
Get a trauma with nexus 4, blazing spirit 3, 5% crit chance and flack damage. Use 311222. Quell cancel spam (pressing r after every cast to cancel the end of the cast animation) low charge m2s. Become a raging pyromaniac that keeps the entire map on fire all game
Step 2: profit
strong gulch
Fire trauma is fun.
steel flame
there is no anti special ranged staff
Best anti special ranged psyker weapon is shredder atm
Or surge staff m1 spam if you want really good range
Quell canceling m1 on surge fucks specials and elites up hard
simple elk
what level are you on psyker?
Level 30
harsh urchin
there's 2 builds for shredder illisi I currently run
can pretty consistently clear hishock 5s with both
strong gulch
Hey guys! Any cool psyker builds?
If you want something also fire related, you can do an WU,AB, and Illisi + Slaughterer build. 311x32 for warp charge uptime.
Heavy especial into a horde to get slaughter stacks then ability/ ult to spend warp charges and set everything on fire.
I like surge for CC but focus on melee and AB. Just a different kind of play.
simple elk
then sell it, the obscurus is the worst force sword
Yikes, poor thing
strong gulch
I you don't have another force sword, you can keep it until you get something better.
steel flame
Obscurus is not bad
It just happens to be the worst
Because the other 2 are busted
simple elk
lol
strong gulch
It used to be the only option and most were using it.
It's definitely been left in the dust now.
cyan notch
yes
strong gulch
true
left hare
Is shredder the autogun
ornate hamlet
Autopistol
left hare
How do i build it
left hare
pinning fire blaze away
harsh urchin
noob = anything + pinning fire
medium = flak+maniac + pinning fire
end-game = flak+maniac + pinning fire+barrage or blaze
left hare
stat wise what am i looking for in order
harsh urchin
damage+stopping power = 80, ammo 70-80, mobility/collat 50+
left hare
Ok thanks
steel flame
Remember when gun psyker was bad COUGH
Oh wait. People just called it bad
Remember when blazing spirit staves were bad COUGH
My Propaganda campaigns were successful
Take that meta
barren rock
does anyone know if Slaughterer also increases Blaze Stacks, like Pinning Fire Autopistol does?
bleak tulip
its +power it increases everything
spice veldt
any active buffs will also apply to DoTs
blessings are only active when you're hold their weapon out
barren rock
aww
spice veldt
blessings being active when the weapon was not held out was fixed a while ago
barren rock
do u know how the ult works with walls/distance
harsh urchin
Oh wait. People just called it bad
no it was bad lol
they got better
after the WU change
and the warp charge buff + fall off changes
spice veldt
this also means that damage% from warp charges and warp unleashed also affect soublaze
our ult seems to ignore walls and has a range of ~30m, but the stagger strength decreases with distance
I'm not sure how it interacts with elevation though
barren rock
looks like Slaughterer buff immediately disappars when swapping to autogun
however- pinning fire stays active when swapping to melee.. it disappears quick but wonder if something is there
harsh urchin
looks like Slaughterer buff immediately disappars when swapping to autogun
howev...
this has been well-known for a while now
spice veldt
our ult's stagger strength also scales with how much peril you have
interesting, if you're a god gamer you could time your weapon swaps
harsh urchin
this is the main mechanic of pinning fire + AB psyker
+100% power makes 4 stacks of soulblaze which is normally shit clear all the important horde breakpoints
spice veldt
Soulblaze ticks occur every 0.75 seconds if you want to do that
harsh urchin
that's why there's 2 main autopistol setups that I've found work well
first one abuses PF + AB interaction
second one is more of a standard gunpsyker setup with KB
harsh urchin
Any changes to the feat lineup for shredder illisi
PF+AB setup: 311232
standard gunpsyker setup: 313233
are my personal preferences
spice veldt
I like warp absorption when running shredder + illisi if you're comfortable with melee
left hare
I'm ass
harsh urchin
essence harvest is bad; WA is decent but much less flexible than quietitude
being able to bank 50% toughness is pretty nuts
left hare
true
barren rock
im trying to understand what makes that better than brain bursting a target with the other talents (in my mind quietude is useful at range)
spice veldt
warp absorption is fairly nice with my trauma + illisi build as long as there is some trash to clear
very nice for hold W playstyles
harsh urchin
brain bursting is just... not that good lol
it's a tool you use
you shouldn't be BB'ing everything
spice veldt
yeah quietude is better if you can't kill/dive as well and for slow teams
and esp with high peril weapons like trauma
barren rock
well specifically with illisi/pistol build, i feel like quietitude is the last choice in my mind
spice veldt
yeah not much peril gen there unless you're running a 0% warp res illisi or something
harsh urchin
the main thing is quietitude lets you bank toughness
spice veldt
I like inspiring barrage on my autopistol for some toughness Regen at range
harsh urchin
if you can see into the future
spice veldt
if you can nab inspiring barrage, then it fulfills a similar role to quietude, where you can then choose warp absorption for the burst toughness Regen from kills with the illisi's special
barren rock
does damage bleed through if youre at 1 toughness? or does hp not take a hit there
harsh urchin
melee damage bleeds through depending on % toughness
spice veldt
ranged damage will spill over into your health if your toughness can't absorb it
barren rock
oic
harsh urchin
actually i do think WA is pretty good
barren rock
wrack and ruin is kinda useless regardless of pistol build right?
WA is prob useless without force swords
harsh urchin
the reason I don't take it is mainly cuz i'm very comfortable with my melee
spice veldt
WA is prob still nice with only trauma and presumably voidstrike
the toughness Regen from WA allows me to be even more stupid against ranged patrols
harsh urchin
ya wrack and ruin is trash
barren rock
any idea if this is shared in the group per kill
harsh urchin
it shares it to the group but only on your kill
spice veldt
wrack n ruin seems fine if you're running something like void/surge and need an infinite cleave option
barren rock
oo 😦
spice veldt
something that is niche in general but can deal with difficulty spikes
not something I would ever use personally
spice veldt
I love aura
barren rock
i think i never swap off kinetic brain burst flayer, but the 6 warp charges sounds so tempting with 4% warp charge
teal needle
I could never drop flayer. It's just so much free damage, and there's usually one or twice per game it goes off in a way that makes my life a lot easier
harsh urchin
I love aura
if voidstrike wasn't so shit and there was a bolt or fireball staff in this game
i think I would love aura too
spice veldt
while not great, BB is nice for sniping elites/specials, and I get those kills with my illisi as well
so it's fairly often that I get some good worth out of it
esp when I like to roam solo and I am extremely uncomfortable with not having my ult up at all times
if only our ult consistently staggered if you yourself are not staggered
cyan notch
aura good for shock gauntlet
steel flame
something that is niche in general but can deal with difficulty spikes
I only use it on my shredder build and it's there specifically to torch crusher and bulwark packs. I can bb then while also deleting everything around them
wind storm
charge rate is meh, but would this be decent with warp flurry over barrage?
ornate hamlet
Anything would be decent without terrifying barrage 
vast rover
terrifying barrage isnt meta anymore?
harsh urchin
it has always been shit
vast rover
oh lol i thought it was good on purg
olive ember
wrack n ruin seems fine if you're running something like void/surge and need an ...
Please stop
Arco with the bad takes again
olive ember
terrifying barrage isnt meta anymore?
It was only meta because warp flurry was broken on both surge and purge
spice veldt
flurry
olive ember
But in reality back then you only cared about nexus, terrifying barrage was just a far 2nd because your other choices were garbage like sustained fire
vast rover
gotcha
steel flame
charge rate is meh, but would this be decent with warp flurry over barrage?
Make it a fire trauma
Do it
Stick 5% crit on there and Blazing spirits over barrage
I dare you
still pelican
is there a page with meta builds/guides on it?
vast rover
yes, but it was nothing like the one for vt2
spice veldt
trauma slander
strong gulch
trauma trauma
safe crystal
Trauma instantly blows up poxbursters my teammates are trying to push
Therefore, it is the best staff
steel flame
exactly
spice veldt
i walked into a gunpsyker post and saw somebody dabbing on trauma out of nowhere
safe crystal
spice veldt
Trauma instantly blows up poxbursters my teammates are trying to push
also you're a psychopath
spice veldt
Therefore, it is the best staff
but i suppose i must tolerate you
safe crystal
Baseless accusations
spice veldt
baseless if only because you've already blown me up into the void
steel flame
is that better or worse
spice veldt
hmm
from my perspective, I'd say that's better
i'll let other people be the judge of that though
wind storm
Sooo if I go Blazing Spirit should I really give up on 25% flak for 5% crit? That sounds pretty messed up, but if it works.. it works?
Also should i go wildfire?
vast rover
so Illisi is the big nuts now right? slaughter and blaze? i feel like blaze isnt that good though
harsh urchin
Blaze is trash yep
It's a meme build that you should only play around with if you have nothing else to build out
vast rover
deflect doesnt seem worthwhile either
hidden crystal
trauma slander
A bad trauma user scattering a horde can definitely make things difficult for melee characters, I'll give them that.
harsh urchin
Deflect is good if you need it
If you find yourself needing to block shooter then use it, if not then dont
strong gulch
so Illisi is the big nuts now right? slaughter and blaze? i feel like blaze i...
The illisi meme is blaze + shred/ bloodthirsty
Meta is slaughter + defector/ unstable
spice veldt
true I despise 99% of all pub trauma users i meet
vast rover
word thanks. what perks do you run? im at 1 1 3 1/2 2 2 for most builds
hidden crystal
deflect doesnt seem worthwhile either
Deflector is one of those things that splits people's opinion a lot. A lot of people say "just dodge", but dodge does have a bit of a cooldown and you've not always got space to do that.
The other thing that dodging can't do is refill your toughness, but in combo with Kinetic Deflection and Quietitude, you can actually use Deflector to turn incoming damage into toughness, which is no shabby feat.
vast rover
excellent point. i always forget to use deflect when i run it. i can retrain myself though
strong gulch
Sooo if I go Blazing Spirit should I really give up on 25% flak for 5% crit? Tha...
It's a high peril management build. It sounds silly, but it works. I like wildfire to help the spread, but it's not needed.
I kinda think of deflector as utility and accessibility.
Use it if it's helpful. Don't if it's not.
hidden crystal
excellent point. i always forget to use deflect when i run it. i can retrain mys...
Part of the reason I run deflector is that I always forget when I haven't got it. I've certainly screwed that up a few times when I've swapped back to my rather underplayed veteran character...
... oh wait, I can't block bullets, I'm not magic any more.
strong gulch
Ooof valid.
vast rover
borris the bullet dodger. why do they call him that?
hidden crystal
I kinda think of deflector as utility and accessibility.
Use it if it's helpfu...
Yes, deflector does indeed add an entirely different function to the weapon - and a fairly unique one at that, particularly as slab shields don't seem hugely popular.
I don't think anyone really argues that being able to block bullets isn't useful, the question is how useful it is compared to what you could have in that blessing slot otherwise.
It's not like some blessings that are technically a boost, but utterly inconsequential. (Stuff like "tiny increase to weak spot damage on the second and third shots of a burst" - technically a buff, but not something you can actually build a strategy around).
strong gulch
Yes, deflector does indeed add an entirely different function to the weapon - an...
If Illisi and Deimos weren't so overtuned, in particular with slaughter, I think end blessing choice would matter more tbh.
glossy hazel
Stuff like slaughterer are no brainers regarding importance
Uncanny strike is another good one though not mandatory
vast rover
like attack speed and crit chance on vt2
strong gulch
For me, I've always had issue with reaction time and processing data that I'm taking in, so defector help with that.
But it's really not needed or help for everyone.
teal needle
Deflector is for people like me who are bad at tracking incoming projectile fire back to its source and need to take a second to sort it out
strong gulch
Deflector is for people like me who are bad at tracking incoming projectile fire...
The call out. 😂
Sniper laser actually scrambles my brain.
cosmic sigil
I take deflector to walk proudly in front of the shooters and either push attack them or put a bullet in their head. Alternatively I am protecting the vet behind me.
It is very satisfying.
ornate hamlet
I think there wasn't one time in which I didn't read "use staves to free up ammo for your team" as "my team has bad ammo economy, it must be the psyker's fault"
Lot of mental fortitude to not just say "get fucked then lmao"
strong gulch
People really don't want to see others happy.
safe crystal
Mom said its MY turn to play with the guns 
teal needle
Nobody should use guns as any class. You must stay true to the spirit of vermintide
stuck spruce
actually if you have a psyker with a shredder gun you dont need ammo, he will destroy all the map for you, you dont even have to shoot, just run to the end of the mission
main jolt
i've just made a psykinetic and was looking for some tips on how to play the class, i dont quite see the point of the headpop thing, in the few times i've gotten a kill with it its great but usually the enemies dead before the meter is filled, any tips would be greatly appreciated or perhaps its just a skill issue 
spice veldt
brain burst is pretty much a utility weapon
long distance, anti-carapace, anti-shield, anti-fast enemies that likes to run away off into the distance (bombers/trappers), etc.
not very much DPS if you compare it to, say, a gun
main jolt
i've used it against the ogryns with the shield and all the armour and it kills em in like one go (im playing on uprising so there's that)
maybe i just need to get the staffs as i heear their really good
spice veldt
it's pretty useful even on the higher difficulties since it's a safe way to kill Crushers (carapace ogryns) and Bulwarks (shield ogryns)
harsh urchin
you need to level to 30 and start playing on higher difficulty
nothing is relevant in uprising
because everything dies instantly
spice veldt
the force swords are also the best melee options for psyker, and they're quite a vital part of our kit since they have infinite dodges
harsh urchin
just try out
different weapons and staffs
and see what you like
and then come back once you're ready to tackle harder difficulties lol
main jolt
any perks or blessings i should look out for?
spice veldt
my advice is to not use the earliest force staff (Trauma) that you unlock until you level up, since that staff has some very wide stat scaling
Slaughterer on force swords is the big one in my mind
main jolt
i quite like the look of the surge staff i think?
spice veldt
if you're not using a gun, then Flak + Maniac will be the usual perk configuration on your melees
main jolt
the chain lightning one
spice veldt
the poptart staff
main jolt
is it bad
spice veldt
i think it's fine but slightly overshadowed by another staff in the general case
if you're using the surge, I hope you're comfortable with the melee in this game
lunar hollow
surge relies a lot on your teammates doing stuff
definitely can't guarantee that in pubs
main jolt
i have played vermintide so i understand how melees work a little
spice veldt
oh is this your first class in darktide
spice veldt
i'm not sure how much you know, but some tldr information I'll give is that you get ranged i-frames on dodges/slides/sprinting perpendicularly; dodges "shorten the range of some melee attacks". In other words, you sort of get i-frames but you will still get hit by melee attacks if you're too close to them
And I'm saying all of this since spamming the ever living crap out of your dodge button provides a lot of protection as a psyker
there is no dodge management needed as long as your melee is held out
main jolt
psykeer also gets some parry thing dont they
with the force swords
you like block and then do a push
spice veldt
but it has a shorter range than the push and generates 4% peril (and will put you into the Perils of the Warp if you're at 100%)
it's very nice to just make a Crusher fuck off for a moment
main jolt
im guessing you play psyker at closer range then
spice veldt
yeah I am a very melee-focused Psyker
especially since we have two of the best melees in the game
main jolt
atm im just using the head pop to take out specials and stuff from the back
but if melee is where its at i'll get more involved
spice veldt
prob good enough since brain burst is one of those things that don't really scale, so it'll be as strong or stronger than your weapons if they're not kitted out yet
the illisi force sword is what I use, but it's not necessarily the most engaging weapon to use
if you like doing big numbers like I do, then you can go for that
main jolt
i'd like to get into harder content eventually so being able to do big damage seems like a must
spice veldt
using your staff primarily is also fine since we have a flamethrower staff (Purgatus) and whatnot
main jolt
i have seen that one alot
spice veldt
I just use the Trauma (explosion staff) which can be very chaotic, so I opt to use my melee for the most part and only use my staff when I really need it
our weapon choice is fairly limited right now, so you'll probably quickly find the playstyle that you'll like
main jolt
i think i have the trauma staff unlocked or am about to unlock
i just dont actually have one
main jolt
im level 6
spice veldt
e.g., a 0% charge rate trauma will take 2.5 seconds to fully charge
an 80% charge rate trauma will take 1.3 seconds
harsh urchin
what about a 100% charge rate
spice veldt
1 second
lunar hollow
1 second
spice veldt
too slow
harsh urchin
that's how long it takes for me to finish in your mom
spice veldt
no i said you're slow
lunar hollow
arco can't even do BASIC math
spice veldt
you binch
harsh urchin
harsh urchin
whatever you like lol
spice veldt
for me, my optimal weapons would be Purg/Trauma + Illisi/Deimos/Combat axes/etc.
lunar hollow
illisi is one of the strongest melee weapons in the game
spice veldt
could use surge if you're very comfortable with melee
but Purg and Trauma have the ridiculous property of infinite cleave
Trauma is preferred between the two since it's more generalist than purgatus
I like Illisi since it's also an overtuned generalist
main jolt
the headpop is very clearly a single target weapon so a staff good for taking out hordes
or is that what the sword should be for
spice veldt
depends
brain burst is nice at a distance and against carapace, but if you've got a nicely kitted force sword and the enemies are close, it's almost always better to just melee
lunar hollow
3/4 of the staffs are good or can be used for horde clear (never surge a horde, unless it's mixed, and even then the targeting can be fucky)
illisi has one of the fastest TTKs vs damn near everything in the game for melee, including horde clear time, and allegedly the deimos does at least ok for horde clear but i've never seen anyone wipe a horde out with a deimos and haven't used it much myself
safe crystal
I cant believe this
lunar hollow
what
lunar hollow
i have video evidence from your end of you running a dueling sword
shake my smh head
main jolt
i guess i'll just pick whichever looks the coolest 
lunar hollow
deimos requires a bit more of actual finesse to use since to get the most out of it you have to hit heads a lot
and that's particularly annoying for muties, since a lot of the time they make very minor course adjustments while running that you wouldn't expect someone to do
safe crystal
You mean this?
main jolt
my aim is shit so probably not that then
lunar hollow
i hate you.
lunar hollow
you fuckin gnat
i forget what part of yurop you're from so i can't make targeted statements
safe crystal
Northern
spice veldt
for specials which come close to you, melee is definitely better esp considering that some of them take 3x damage and force swords' melee mobility is particularly good (if you spam dodges)
lunar hollow
Northern
i'm going to assume you're danish, in which case it makes sense that we are enemies
lunar hollow
because if i was wrong but you reacted with extreme offense i would know where you're from
its the most mathematically sound guess
safe crystal
Uhhuh
main jolt
the force sword does have that special ability where you charge up the blade, seems good against specials
safe crystal
I suppose thats fair
spice veldt
josho plays ogryn but is too busy arguing with iceslow to be useful
lunar hollow
my token danish friend gets mad when i call him swedish
spice veldt
the specials of Deimos/Obscurus are a bit niche since they lock you in place while the animation plays
and Deimos has 2x damage on its 1st light and 2.5x damage on its 2nd heavy
safe crystal
Why, Sweden is a pretty neat country
lunar hollow
Why, Sweden is a pretty neat country
some sort of longstanding cultural feud
spice veldt
so Deimos completely eliminates the need to use the special for the most part, and the Obscurus is just very sad
the special of Illisi is something that you absolutely spam the everliving crap out of
lunar hollow
the vet main in me cries a tear of agony every time i 1 shot a rager from full hp with an illisi special with slaught stacks
safe crystal
Vet main
main jolt
you play ogryn josho? 
lunar hollow
Vet main <:Peepo_Bruh:862897842628067359>
first 150 hours was psword+bolter
and i sucked ASS
lunar hollow
you play ogryn josho? <:hehe:956704236769521674>
a fair bit
i play this game too much
main jolt
jesus
spice veldt
"psyker main" josho
lunar hollow
3 levels away from 1k total truelevels
main jolt
not the ogryn channel but what weapons do you use
lunar hollow
bull butcher + mk 2 ripper
main jolt
i use the slab shield 
spice veldt
ogryn rp
lunar hollow
in this case yes
spice veldt
and in other cases also yes
lunar hollow
nuh uh
spice veldt
yuh uh huh
lunar hollow
this is what i like for feats, if i feel like being a nuisance i run bullfighter and spam unstoppable charges everywhere
hidden crystal
I think there wasn't one time in which I didn't read "use staves to free up ammo...
90% of the arguments for staves tend to be "But ammo!", overlooking the fact that staves really don't cover all possible desired playstyles.
spice veldt
i've observed two instances of you getting turned around during the under-the-train tunnel section of ammo raid
lunar hollow
shut the FUCK UP arco
main jolt
should we take this to the proper channel or just screw it
lunar hollow
it doesn't really matter honestly
spice veldt
this is ogryn chat #2
main jolt
lol
lunar hollow
the class chats are basically just sub-communities of the entire game
lunar hollow
rather than being specifically about the class itself
spice veldt
esp since there's not much to talk about nowadays
lunar hollow
the mods don't care either. only thing you get banned for is like being bigoted or saying slurs or smth
lunar hollow
these are my curios as well
main jolt
thoughts on this maul?
spice veldt
90% of the arguments for staves tend to be "But ammo!", overlooking the fact tha...
psykers who have never felt the touch of ranged single-target DPS
lunar hollow
people like toughness regen because it synergizes with lynchpin, i don't really care for it
lunar hollow
thoughts on this maul? <:hehe:956704236769521674>
just use whatever you like until you get to level 30 honestly
the max base rating is 380
main jolt
okie dokie
lunar hollow
for paul you want something kinda similar to this, infested is the mandatory perk and then you can run flak/unarmored/carapace etc
main jolt
defineetely say maul is my favourite weapon
lunar hollow
power output is super important since that dictates your special attack
and you want it as high as possible
safe crystal
Joshos advice should be taken with a grain of salt, he has not quite grasped you're supposed to dodge the net, rather than run into it
lunar hollow
fuck you iceslow
safe crystal
lunar hollow
actual slander
safe crystal
No
spice veldt
actual slander
actual facts, you mean
lunar hollow
i don't even remember what i did in that clip but i remember it being a particularly jarring skill issue on my part and i do distinctly remember making the effort to dodge it
just sometimes the fingers aren't quick enough
lunar hollow
there was a period of time where i would get terrified of a trapper if i was in a premade
safe crystal
Then just ran at her
lunar hollow
and it made me do irrational things
main jolt
so far i've tried the third tier of difficulty on my ogryn and found the special to bee disgustingly good for making specials go to sleep
lunar hollow
the paul is a very solid weapon, i just don't tend to use it much because it promotes a more defensive gameplay style
safe crystal
lunar hollow
and i like being the danger and getting hi5s done in 18-22 minutes
main jolt
wouldnt the shield be more defensive
safe crystal
Killing things and making sure they cant do shit is better than blocking
hidden crystal
i've just made a psykinetic and was looking for some tips on how to play the cla...
usually the enemies dead before the meter is filled
This tends to get better as you progress up the difficulties.
The game's not good on educating players on the capabilities and playstyle of the other classes, so a lot of low level players tend to just keep chopping/shooting at targets even if someone's trying to brain burst them. (Or even think "ooooh, a target suggestion!").
However, once players get a better grasp on how the other classes work, they tend to know that if the psyker on the team is brain bursting something then a) it's probably going to die in just a second anyway without having to waste ammo and b) it's going to build up warp charges that buff their damage, so just leave anything with BB halo alone unless you can (and need to) kill it right now.
lunar hollow
the paul kinda just slows the game down a bit
which is good, i think, if you're newer or get overwhelmed with a lot of stuff going on (because the paul special makes any dangerous situation safe very quickly), but doesn't flatten entire rooms in a handful of seconds like bull butcher can
main jolt
> usually the enemies dead before the meter is filled
This *tends* to get better...
it seems to do lots of damage against the bosses like plaque ogryns and beasts of nurgle and what not
i have only had the game a few weeks so i am very new
lunar hollow
if you're interested this is a duo with an ogryn and a psyker
i think arco has his perspective but i don't know if he ever uploaded it
safe crystal
Look at this target acquisition through the knocked down horde and Josho eating dirt, obviously
main jolt
which is good, i think, if you're newer or get overwhelmed with a lot of stuff g...
literally, i like just bonking things on the head until they dont get up
lunar hollow
the ripper is my favorited ranged weapon in the game hands down
especially the mk2. since its effectiveness scales with the amount of enemies on your screen
main jolt
i been using the gorgonum stubber
lunar hollow
gorg is very good as well
gorg + paul is a combination i run sometimes, since the paul cover's the gorg's main weakness of ineffective (though non-zero if you run crit chance, and particularly blaze away as well) armor pen
main jolt
i've probaly been wasting materials on upgrading it though
main jolt
yeah i have definetely f'd up then
lunar hollow
in every shop you can get them from. brunt's, melk, requisiton, etc
it doesn't make a big deal honestly
main jolt
my gorg is exalted
spice veldt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5eRvKP05g0
yeah i have my psyker perspective https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C7Uiez6CJs
lunar hollow
once you start getting to higher difs you'll make a lot of plasteel per mission
the suffering starts when ordos is your bottleneck instead of plasteel though
lunar hollow
these are my 2 stubbers. i like the one with 20% collat more
on other guns, i'm pretty sure, collateral affect suppression. but it doesn't on the stubber, and all it does is impact
it's a bit paradoxical, but low collateral helps keep targets consistently in your crosshairs instead of pancaking
main jolt
i have a friend who got me into this and he says the bull butcher is kinda a must for ogryns
harsh urchin
bro you should just play the game and try all the weapons, especially if you're level 10
hidden crystal
it seems to do lots of damage against the bosses like plaque ogryns and beasts o...
It does a lot of damage (although, alas, it doesn't scale anything like as much as your weapons do as you level those, so it gets less efficient against various elites as you go - at the point certain ones need just more than one brain burst, that makes it a lot less good against them), the problem is generally the time it takes to charge up.
It's not good against everything, and part of the trick to the class is getting used to when to use it, when not to use it, and when you've got an opening you can use to build up your warp charges. (Although warp charges are a lot easier to maintain once you get access to certain feats).
harsh urchin
worry about meta and optimally later
lunar hollow
yeah. i'd find what you like to play with first
harsh urchin
you can just enjoy the game and try out everything
main jolt
my ogryn is level 16 but point taken
lunar hollow
on lower difficulties literally everything does fine
it's only towards damnation (and sometimes heresy if the weapon is real bad, like pre-buff revolver) that stuff starts hurting to use
main jolt
my friends a sharpshooter main and im just tryna learn the game is all
lyric burrow
i used the krouk mk 3 cleaver in malice with ogryn and it was great lol
im also a big bully club mk 3 fan even in damnation
main jolt
its the bull butcher mk3 right?
lyric burrow
er
mossy surge
Pugs makes me sad 
lunar hollow
bull butcher is mk 3
lyric burrow
i think stabby is 4
lunar hollow
there's the krourk mk 4 and 6
lyric burrow
my b
lunar hollow
the 4 has some particularly funny switch tech you can use to spam its heavy 2
but that makes it into a more awkward bull butcher
main jolt
just acquired one from brunt
lyric burrow
ripper gun is also very fun, as is kickback
however the kick back does not tell the demons in my head to press RMB and hold the fire button into a horde like ripper gun does
lunar hollow
the bull butcher is nice in that its base stats are very good
and then you add on slaughterer and it gets even very better
main jolt
ima try it out rn
lunar hollow
and then you get confident strike and it has some of the best survivability in the game
lunar hollow
its only weakness is carapace
and even then you can stagger with the special to move away
lunar hollow
yeah
main jolt
do any of you care to play some darktide rn?
lyric burrow
i must admit as much as i love melee into hordes with mk 3 bully club or cleaver the ripper gun shredding hordes is a top 5 favorite thing to do
it just vanishes
lunar hollow
i am analyzing arco's footage currently
spice veldt
bastard
lunar hollow
i must find some minor error to annoy him about
i didn't even finish the 2nd message before you said that wtf
main jolt
lol
spice veldt
wow i wonder why you would analyze my footage
lyric burrow
his spider senses went off\
spice veldt
you are totally an absolute saint
lunar hollow
to see ur epic psyker skills
main jolt
im gonna remain impartial
lunar hollow
lmao
@spice veldt i still cannot believe we survived the death hallway at that dropdown
spice veldt
i thought I was going to die with only 6 hp
lunar hollow
if/when we duo again remind me to swap can opener for insp barrage
(assuming you will swap to shockwave)
lyric burrow
is barrage good when FF exists?
spice veldt
if/when we duo again remind me to swap warp flurry for rend shockwave
lunar hollow
let us pray i remember to read this
spice veldt
lunar hollow
is barrage good when FF exists?
mk 2 doesn't really need fire frenzy
fuck my discord just almost perished
lunar hollow
rude
lunar hollow
mk 2 gets a lot of use out of blaze away, since you're often magdumping
lyric burrow
with can opener
lunar hollow
and that 50% power helps a lot with finishing off ragers you missed with the first 15 shots
FF + BA is never bad, but on mk 2 i think can opener is better if you're solo
since you can run carapace and have the best ammo efficiency vs crushers
or insp barrage, since it protects from ranged chip damage and whatnot when magdumping
lyric burrow
yeah i run FF/CO
lunar hollow
i like FF more on mk 5
lunar hollow
since magdumping on it is kinda painful
honestly i put way too much money and plasteel into rippers lol
lots of good combinations with blessings + perks to run
lyric burrow
i havent tried anything other than mk 2 since i use the other guns a lot too
and i dont play ogryn very much
but i should try them
lunar hollow
i like blaze away since it feels a lot more consistent to me
lunar hollow
i really wish born in blood was better, that's a cool fuckin blessing
main jolt
come to think of it the only classs i havent made yet is a preacher
lunar hollow
toughness on close ranged kill
but it has a hidden cooldown and is basically worse than insp barrage always
lyric burrow
oh yeah thats unfort
lunar hollow
its kinda like momentum in that regard
lyric burrow
a lot of the cool blessings are lack luster
esp when momentum and whatnot are so good
or just BB in general
lunar hollow
well momentum also has an internal cooldown
and confident strike gives you more toughness back in the ideal situation to use momentum in while being more versatile
which is annoying
errant condor
Is is better to run warp absorption or essence harvest on psyker if you run a staff like 95% of the time?
spice veldt
and prob depends on the staff
lunar hollow
essence harvest feels too inconsistent for the toughness regain to me
spice veldt
warp absorption is safer with something like trauma/void
errant condor
I mean true the raw number value just didn't seem as high on paper
lunar hollow
you're quelling a lot when using staffs
errant condor
I tend to run purg/shock
spice veldt
also prob depends on the peril gen of your staff
lunar hollow
i would always run quietude with surge
spice veldt
something like trauma generates a shit ton of peril
lunar hollow
since it takes a lot of peril per cast
spice veldt
it depends on when you usually lose toughness
spice veldt
if with purg, i'm assuming you're going to have trouble against ranged enemies
errant condor
I'll give it a shot bc it seems like a much steadier drop of sustain on paper
lyric burrow
its very reliable
errant condor
I'm v good at using brain burst to deal with range
It's essentially a sniper rifle that you need to aim in someone's general direction for like a single frame then duck away
lunar hollow
@spice veldt 7:30
spice veldt
wut did i do
lunar hollow
that mutie box is way funnier from ur perspective
nothing
im congratulating myself
spice veldt
bicnh
lunar hollow
just watch it ok
lunar hollow
?????
spice veldt
rare moment of the mutant corpse not disappearing immediately because no one else killed anything in that interim
lunar hollow
i missed so many boxes that game
lyric burrow
when i miss a box it makes me unreasonably sad
spice veldt
can't miss your grenade if you only play psyker
lunar hollow
i have this one screenshot from a psyker named turdferguson
mid mission he typed out "kronk you're a fucking sniper with that box"
errant condor
essence harvest feels too inconsistent for the toughness regain to me
I like it BC it's super bursty. I duck behind cover, channel twice and I've generally full healed my toughness and keep tempo on my warp charges. Idk if that's ideal but that's how I've been playing
lunar hollow
and my god
main jolt
hmm
lunar hollow
i've rode that high ever since
lunar hollow
that is what god gave us unstoppable for
lyric burrow
you can even cancel it right away
give them a belly bump essentially
being able to cancel it is a godsend
lunar hollow
@spice veldt 10:15
lyric burrow
i rarely let the whole thing go
spice veldt
smh
lunar hollow
i love the box ragdolls
upper galleon
my strat for bulwarks with BB= wait for them to swing, then punch and light spam with some punches if they look like they will stabilize
or i just use my ripper while they swing
lunar hollow
one combo i like for bulwarks is paul + kickback
lyric burrow
yeah i just dodge and ripper
lunar hollow
you can use the paul L1 to hit the bulwark head
which does full damage and opens the shield
and a single kickback shot will kill it
main jolt
kickback?
upper galleon
single shot shotgun
lunar hollow
lorenz kickback or whatever it's called
upper galleon
the one you get in the tutorial i believe
lunar hollow
single shot shotgun
lyric burrow
correct
main jolt
oh
lyric burrow
its the tutorial gun
lunar hollow
it used to SUCK back when i leveled ogryn lol
one of the worst ogryn guns iirc
then they buffed it
lyric burrow
yeah it was a meme
upper galleon
yee and now that you can get good blessings on one
i'd say it's an alright sidegrade
lyric burrow
its usable for sure
lunar hollow
the kickback has the cool niche of infinite ammo with relatively sparing use and a vet player
on top of not being the rumbler
lyric burrow
gives you a bit of a range issue but thats it
upper galleon
rumbler is funny crunch noise
lyric burrow
and an ammo issue depending on vet
lunar hollow
i fuckin hate the rumbler
upper galleon
you are simply bad at geometry
lunar hollow
it's like voidstrike with ammo to me
and i hate voidstrike
but i had a genuinely traumatic experience with voidstrike that has given me an irrational hatred of it
upper galleon
lMAO
spice veldt
damn rumbler is getting compared to the voidstrike and not trauma?
upper galleon
genuinely traumatic
upper galleon
rumbler doesn't need to be good
lunar hollow
AND THEN BOUNCE AWAY
upper galleon
it has the best hitsound in the game
lunar hollow
spice veldt
owned
lyric burrow
neither does voidstrike
upper galleon
and there will be nothing better than a nutshot with a rumbler to a puny heretic
lunar hollow
i will never forget what i felt using voidstrike in my first ever psyker damnation game (a hi5)
upper galleon
headshots are pretty good too but that makes the grenade bounce to who knows where
lunar hollow
so many bulwarks. so many maulers. SO MANY SHOTS FUCKING EATEN
spice veldt
onomnomnomnom
lunar hollow
and then at some point i turned bloom on and anyone who uses voidstrike on a horde im fighting will both blind me and eat my frames
safe crystal
Skill issue
upper galleon
skill issue i agree
lyric burrow
yeah skill issue
lunar hollow
psyker was the first class i ever solo clutched a hi5 on
lyric burrow
aim better + turn off bloom
lunar hollow
i will not stand for this
lyric burrow
- vet main
errant condor
Does warp battery make warp charge talents scale higher?
lunar hollow
yes
safe crystal
L + ratio + vet main
errant condor
Okay I like the sound of that
upper galleon
already was dumbass
good josho
lunar hollow
warp battery is pretty funny with AB
press F to delete most enemies in front of you
spice veldt
Does warp battery make warp charge talents scale higher?
inner tranq yeah
is kinetic shield's description still broken?
kinetic shield scales off of peril, not warp charge
lyric burrow
if you had 0 corpses setting it would probably actually just vanish
lunar hollow
inner tranq yeah
ab too u idiot
spice veldt
shut up
lunar hollow
make me
spice veldt
uwu
lunar hollow
i've concluded i have no fucking idea what blew that barrel up on us
that shit went rogue
lyric burrow
given the reputation arco has given josho that sounds suspicious
spice veldt
they rewrote kinetic shield's description to say "toughness damage" instead of only ranged toughness damage, but the dev forgot that "warp charge" is actually "peril" (peril is called 'warp charge' in the code)
upper galleon
that doesn't sound like good coding
spice veldt
given the reputation arco has given josho that sounds suspicious
not just from what i've given but also in the way that josho presents himself
lyric burrow
do you think fatshark has good coding
upper galleon
if you have terms that can be that easily messed up
safe crystal
Warp charges are called 'souls' iirc
spice veldt
you literally post videos of you blowing me and other people up
you god damn psychopath
lunar hollow
and if i felt like i blew the barrel up
lyric burrow
this game is also very unoptimized
lunar hollow
i would be proud of it
spice veldt
...
lunar hollow
well
not in that case
because i was trying very hard not to throw since it was the first duo attempt
spice veldt
my brain ignores barrels
lunar hollow
but i would take responsibility
somber spindle
17 chat for damnation
lunar hollow
i am highly aware of the barrels
partially to protect myself and partially to harm/prevent harm on teammates
safe crystal
Avoid blowing up your team with barrels challenge IMPOSSIBLE
lyric burrow
i am aware of barrels but idk if im aware enough to play with josho
spice veldt
true
think of it as a learning experience
to force yourself to learn barrel locations
lunar hollow
i mostly hurt people on accident and only sometimes do i give in to the intrusive thoughts
lunar hollow
to force yourself to learn barrel locations
yeah!!!
i'm promoting good positioning
that's all
spice veldt
wow it sure has occurred by accident many times
safe crystal
Im only selectively a psychopath
lunar hollow
a little tough love
safe crystal
According to someone
lunar hollow
you know
spice veldt
According to someone
still a psycho
lyric burrow
wow it sure has occurred by accident many times
i was gonna say
somber spindle
join 17
somber spindle
yes
safe crystal
Im joining 69 hihi funny number
lunar hollow
take me out to dinner first bud
spice veldt
uowuuwuwuwuwuuwuw
lyric burrow
😳
strong gulch
Yo!! Melk actually had something good.
spice veldt
damn how many people did you murder for that
strong gulch
I suffered many a garbage shop.
main jolt
wish i knew what i was looking at for this but im guessing its good 
lyric burrow
almost bis
spice veldt
basically that deimos has all 3 damage stats (damage, Finesse, first target) high
we don't care about warp res on deimos so we prefer to have mobility high
slaughterer is the best blessing if you're killing more than 1 enemy with it
it's a shame that it doesn't have Flak as the other perk, but it is what it is
main jolt
cant you change perks at whatsaface 
safe crystal
Only one
lyric burrow
not thed locked one
main jolt
one more level for power sword on veteran 
pale matrix
do i need cerebral laceratiobs to two tap brainburst crushers at 6 warp charges❓
lunar hollow
nope
only battery + warp unleashed with a minimum of 5 charges
so long as you're above around 85% peril for the first and make sure to cast the 2nd at 100%
pale matrix
ty
lunar hollow
i'm not sure about the exact numbers, i just cast both at 100% to be safe
so you may want to do a bit of testing in the psykh
lunar hollow
it's kinda complicated
so long as you start a BB below i think 97% you're safe
even if it hits 100% after
strong gulch
Yes. Below 97% for BB
lunar hollow
yeah
if you're charging a trauma cast or smth and you hit 100 and cast anyways you blow up
unless battle meditation procs and quells for you
or you use your ult to stop it
main jolt
i been using the F ability so uselessly then lol
strong gulch
However, at 97% it can be hit or miss.
As long as you are below 97% peril, you can cast BB.
main jolt
been using it to quell when at 100
lunar hollow
the optimal usage of ult is kinda weird
if you have a staff with warp flurry on it, using the ult when you hit 100 is good because you keep your warp flurry stacks
strong gulch
Some staffs will push peril after casting M2; like surge. That can explode you.
main jolt
if you have a staff with warp flurry on it, using the ult when you hit 100 is go...
you mean like this 
strong gulch
Right. Ult doesn't interrupt the channeling or casting.
lunar hollow
you mean like this <:Zal_blush:1045931598643724378>
yes
since it shows the ult animation but you keep your staff out
lyric burrow
yeah you can be doing anything and ult without cancelling your current animation iirc
strong gulch
You can do low M2s to gain flurry stacks. That is more useful on some builds and less so on others.
strong gulch
When you can, you should try Illisi and surge.
Pair and try what you want and are interested in tho. 
main jolt
surge purely for rule of cool
plucky flax
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