psyker-class

[safe crystal]

Only one kill instead of 3, and its hidden in the redacted area

[bleak tulip]

most of the old penances got moved to their own group

[hidden crystal]

If I can get a nice dense horde and get openings to charge up the sword, then I do make use of special heavies, but light spam to me feels like it gives light enemies fewer openings, and with maximum slaughterer stacks it's still doing a lot of damage.

[bleak tulip]

and some really annyoying ones even got limited to private matches

like doing a boss basically by yourself as psyker only using BB

first they nerfed it so it was "only" 90% damage

now its in the redacted section and private only

they nerfed the "push enemies off a cliff" penance too

used to be like 20?

psyker specifically was quite bad for cosmetic unlock penances on release

every class has one or two really bad ones but psyker had like

4

[hidden crystal]

My general approach, with Kinetic Barrage, is that if I'm starting from 0% Peril (as I often will be as a gunpsyker), I do one BB vs a monstrosity to get me to 45% peril, use my ult to reset peril and give me the recharge/resistance from KB, and can then spam I think another five BBs before I have to quell, giving me a fairly formidable alpha strike that'll take a lot of health off most of the monsters.

Using the ult after triggering Perils... might still get six I guess? But they're going to be slower.

(And although Warp Unleashed does mean they'll be slightly higher damage because of the higher average peril, it won't make up for the slower speed).

[bleak tulip]

I mean if youre gonna do against a monstrosity you can just do bb until 97+, one more, F mash out your other BBs, not like you dont have the time for it

[hidden crystal]

Now that it is only just one, it's rather less intrusive. More of a "ah poop, I screwed up my Peril management, let's throw myself at the closest elite".

[bleak tulip]

yeah

its not terrible anymore, but still not something that should be rewarded

its very in line with the penance we're talking about

its something that happens but you shouldnt really do intentionally

neither should unlock anything or be prerequisite to anything imo

but oh well, I guess we can be happy the new penances are tremendously less dogshit than before

[hidden crystal]

Deliberately blowing yourself up to get the penance is bad practice, but the time I got it I had just plain screwed up my peril anyway, and at that point taking out a (somewhat weakened) Crusher was more useful to the team than not.

[bleak tulip]

yeah as I said its a lot better now because you can get it from a mistake, unlike before

blowing up 3 elites at once requires massive luck or deliberate "sabotage"

[hidden crystal]

Indeed.

[harsh urchin]

Do specials count as elites

Or does it have to be elites only

[bleak tulip]

no I dont think so

it has to be elites

I wanna say when I got that one (with friends) I tried with specials multiple times

and it didnt work

[harsh urchin]

What about for psyker passive

Does that work on specials

[bleak tulip]

?

oh the coherency thing? it says elites

so its elites

[hidden crystal]

Yes, it used to be 20 (and I did actually complete the harder version, yeeting a load of poxwalkers off a pipe at the end of Hab Dreyko).

[harsh urchin]

Well, the game says a lot of shit wrong

[bleak tulip]

its generally pretty deliberate about enemy classifications at least

[hidden crystal]

It doesn't help that the fragging game doesn't actually tell you what counts as what.

[bleak tulip]

fatshark moment

[hidden crystal]

I had to look it up on line what counted as what.

[whole oxide]

for feats i'm pretty sure that "elites" also includes specials, even though they aren't technically elites

[spice veldt]

yeah the game likes to use elites to refer to both elites and specials, but for psyker's aura, it actually does only refer to elites

[hidden crystal]

And I'm still not entirely sure how to summarise "this is an elite, this is a special".

[bleak tulip]

for weapons too, for the one other psyker talent that mentiones elites on their own too, where else does it use it for both?

literally never stumbled over it I think

[spice veldt]

my working explanation is that elites pre-spawn on the map and stay in a passive state until you aggro them; and specials spawn on a timer and are always aggroed onto you (except fucking snipers who like to sit on their asses)

i believe vet's feats also use them interchangeably

[bleak tulip]

wrack and ruin and psykinetics aura are the only two that mention elites and WaR uses "elite or specialist"

[whole oxide]

specials spawn out of doors, elites spawn out of thin air. doors are very special things

[harsh urchin]

See this is what i mean

Fatsharked LOl

But thats an interesting implication

Cuz you can hit 1 shot breakpoint against bombers

With a revolver hmm

[bleak tulip]

?

[harsh urchin]

With just flak you do 790ish dmg, which is slightly short

[bleak tulip]

man revolver sucks huh

[harsh urchin]

Its alright

Its just getting overshadowed by overpowered blessings

Like pinning fire

[hidden crystal]

That's one way to look at it. In terms of their actual mechanics, I guess it's kind of "if they're just thumping you really hard, they're elites; if they're disabling you or forcing you out of a zone of death, they're specials".

(Snipers don't entirely fit into that, but they tend to force you into cover more than gunners do).

[lyric burrow]

Revolver isnt that bad

Its very usable now so long as your at least hitting body shots

Revo psyker might be my fav build in the game and it performs very well

[steel flame]

Annoyingly you can get higher DPS out of the laspistol, higher crit chance, higher crit damage larger magazine

[lyric burrow]

Laspistol is also good

[steel flame]

I love lastpistol but I also want to like revolver but it's still overshadowed

[lyric burrow]

I am a big revolver fan

[steel flame]

Would be nice if revolver got the laspistol treatment and got the push instead of the terrible bash

[lyric burrow]

Havent used laspsitol much though

Yeah it could use a better special lol

[steel flame]

The crit damage on the laspistol is nasty

[normal matrix]

Rev could also use a better reload

[steel flame]

For the love of God give it a speedloader

[lyric burrow]

Yeah reload isnt great

I always keep myself at 5 shots so i dont need to reload when i really need it

[near wyvern]

L1 H2 does more DPS against most of the enemies than the special especially if you hit weakspots. H2 will not stun lock you and has enough damage to one shot a mutant head (with some reliable buffs) so it's the superior way of dealing with them. Especially in STG you can deal with multiple mutants that are all charging you, which is not possible with the special.

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i just use the special to build peril

[normal matrix]

I might give the deimos a try at some point honestly, i special my illisis to big chop specials

[whole oxide]

special's good against dogs that are running around you, it's wierdly "sticky" and will latch to dogs that normal swings would miss

[near wyvern]

Here is a teaser for what you can do with it.

You always want +maniac as perk and unstable power as a blessing. The second blessing should be Slaughterer or Deflector and the second perk is whatever you get as that doesn't matter.

https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10

[lyric burrow]

I think i use flak to help the horde clear

But yeah it could be anything

Even carapace is valid since h2 does good damage to crushers

[normal matrix]

I would likely just special h1 crushers knowing myself

[lyric burrow]

That works too but looping L1 H1 is very strong vs them

[normal matrix]

I originally played a lot of the OG THammer before i switched to vet, psyker is my newest

[lyric burrow]

And a bit safer if theres stuff around you

[barren arch]

people don't like Deimos?

[barren arch]

also holy shit the Ao Kuang voice line, I approve already

[spice veldt]

takes too much brainpower for me to use

[lyric burrow]

You literally just

Click on stuff

Maybe josho is right after all

[spice veldt]

i feel that i need to distance myself properly with the deimos against groups of ragers

whereas I can just hold W and spam special-lights with the illisi

[spice veldt]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THIS

[lyric burrow]

Maybe he IS in the right for "accidently" hitting a barrel your next to here and there

[lyric burrow]

Also i dont find myself doing this

Although might be because i h2'd them in the head and they died

[digital loom]

specials dont always spawn out of doors

the silent ones are usually not broken audio, they just spawned 5 feet from your ass

dogs and trappers do this loads

but the director tries to do shit when you're not looking

having one person just looking behind pre-empts a lot of goofy shit from happening

[plucky flax]

How is this guy so tall?!

[barren arch]

eating his rations

[plucky flax]

Man is 7 foot tall gigachad.

[barren arch]

and also high heels ig

[bleak tulip]

is he big or are you just really smol

the answer may surprise you

[plucky flax]

[steel flame]

Mmmmm that doesn't sound scientifically possible. He must have misspelled "wrong"

Or it could it be...

[hidden crystal]

Absolute unit

[plucky flax]

[shadow wigeon]

Been using force swords forever, what are some fun duelding sword builds?

[lyric burrow]

Honestly i think its still the same build minus maybe quietude

But mk 5 and 2 are decent

5 has horde clear with heavies and 4 with lights

[shadow wigeon]

I remember liking the 5 a long time ago, what blessings do people like?

[ocean tusk]

What melee weapon would be best for a horde killing pyromaniac build? The goal of said build is to use as much warp fire as possible to burn massive waves to crisps

[shadow wigeon]

Deimos force sword is pretty standard pick - for nuking muties and crushers as needed

[lyric burrow]

Rampage/uncanny strike

[steel flame]

Illi sword with Blazing Spirit and shred 4. And if you want as much fire as possible I prefer a blazing spirit 3 and Nexus 4 Trauma staff with 5% crit and flak for perks with the feats 311222

Get 6 stacks rolling on the entire horde with stave then press f to watch 100 enemies burn to death at once

[ocean tusk]

That sounds perfect >:3

[ocean tusk]

And if I remember correctly those are weapon blessings? By the omnissiah it's been so long since I last played this game that I almos forgot those were a mechanic 0_0

[strong gulch]

Rampage for the mk 5 dueling sword? Doesn't it struggle to hit the 3 minimum enemies to proc Rampage?

[steel flame]

And that's why it sucks dear watson

[steel flame]

Blazing spirit lights enemies on fire with crits, and the blessing that go with them increase crit chance

With the sword BS 4 will put 4 stacks of SB on anything it crits up to 12 stacks while shred boosts crit chance up to 25% with consecutive hits

[spice veldt]

DS push-attacks have 6 cleave for what it's worth

i forget which one it was and the exact number, but on the mk2 or mk4, I had to push-attack every 6-8 light attacks to maintain rampage continuously against a poxwalker cluster

[ocean tusk]

What about the purgatus staff? What blessings work well on that for burning massive hordes?

[strong gulch]

Well not too bad. Good to know about the cleave on DS. I don't use them much anymore.

And I wasn't great with it to begin with.

[spice veldt]

DS push-attacks have the unfortunate attribute of having the cleave distribution of the lights, so the push-attacks themselves aren't as great as you would expect from 6 cleave; it is one of the few attacks in this game that maintains its full weakspot/crit for the first 3 targets hit in a cleave instead of just the 1st target (though even this isn't amazing)

[strong gulch]

Just itself tbh. It's strong enough without the soulblaze feats that you can invest in KB (lvl) 30 talent for more effective BB since range is going to be the weakest point on purg.

Though, cloud radius helps a lot.

[obtuse moth]

I think bloodthirsty is a better pick than shred for blazing spirit

[strong gulch]

I find shred to be more consistent personally.

[steel flame]

It depends. You can only bloodthirsty as long as you have peril to spare and you'll kill more things with the special rather than lighting them on fire

[obtuse moth]

Killing them doesn't matter if you are using wildfire

[steel flame]

If you kill them in one hit they won't catch on fire....

With shred you can chain heavy attacks and get the horde burning pretty quick

[obtuse moth]

Why would you chain heavy attacks if your goal is to light as many things on fire as possible?

[steel flame]

Why would you chain lights when they hit less enemies at once?

[whole oxide]

more importantly, why would you even try to make BS work on melee?

[steel flame]

Because it's fun

[whole oxide]

BS would be intersting if you could get it on devilclaw, or if there was a pskyer equivalent of zealot crusher

something that smacks lots of targets but doesn't kill in 1-2 hits

[obtuse moth]

hmm, interesting looks like the cleave limit does apply to the BS procs. i personally find bloodthirsty a lot more reliable since it doesnt drop the way shred does on pushes/stumbles/blocks/whiffs etc, can instantly get the fire going in two hits. (i wouldnt pump the special on every hit,)

yeah, i still dont like BS on force swords in general though even tho i use soulblaze everywhere else

[safe crystal]

FS kills whatever it hits before the fire can catch on

Suffering from success

[steel flame]

aight. im curious, what weapon would you guess i used on my PSYKER during this Hi Shocktroop mission

[ornate hamlet]

The one you had equipped

[steel flame]

oh haha

ZERO POINTS FOR SAS

[lunar hollow]

bolter/psword obviously

[blissful radish]

I do like this weapon, feels nice to stun everything

any perk I should change?

[steel flame]

Hmmmmmm well personally id put barrage or flurry on there instead of channeling and flak over ranged damage

[cosmic sigil]

Not a lot of melee kills. Hmm not an illisi.

[steel flame]

if you press R after every M1 you can spam the m1 really fast and it can also kill stuff really fast

[blissful radish]

yeah, I was thinking of changing channeling, but counter point is

I don't have the blessings LOL

[cosmic sigil]

Purgatus or trauma, no?

[steel flame]

a convincing arguement

[safe crystal]

DS + purg

[cosmic sigil]

Knife

[steel flame]

god i wish

[strong gulch]

I like unarmored on surge for the unarmored shooters. Since lightening is already decent against metals.

[safe crystal]

Blazing voidstrike as ranged?

[steel flame]

ding ding ding

[cosmic sigil]

Oh? That works well?

[steel flame]

yessir it does

[safe crystal]

The crits threw me off :L

[steel flame]

i knew they would

[steel flame]

i was really surprised, that shit was doin more than my fire trauma build

[safe crystal]

It could be because whatever it hits gets double stacks, since the AoE and the direct hit both apply blazing

[steel flame]

i was doin my quell cancel machine gun the whole game and that shit was kicken ass

fingers kinda hurt though

[strong gulch]

Melk heard the fire void call.

[steel flame]

Dam son

[olive ember]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/154wih9/stun_n_run_an_entire_map_siblings_chime_in_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

^^ @spice veldt isn't good enough to do this

[spice veldt]

you have no rights

trauma propaganda https://streamable.com/zefelv

[steel flame]

Always love me some good old propaganda

Wish I had 10 loadout slots so I could use all the normo builds for stuff without having to write over all my weird builds though

[obtuse moth]

what are those two bars below the peril % in the center? the one with the >->->-> and the one directly below it with the bars

[slim gyro]

UGH WE ALL WENT DOWN BEFORE YOU, AND YOU'RE USING A PISTOL WITH A PSYKER?!!?!?

[steel flame]

classic

was it laspistol?

love laspistol

[slim gyro]

Revolver

[steel flame]

its ok laspistol forgives you

[spice veldt]

lonely laspistol

[lunar hollow]

lonely island

[spice veldt]

it's my very cool and fancy dodge counter https://streamable.com/pktcr6

[slim gyro]

Lol I love laspistol too, but I refound a love for the revolver.

[steel flame]

it seems........over engineered

for a dodge counter....

[slim gyro]

Soon as the devs make the void strike staff not blow horses, I'll go back to it.

[spice veldt]

yeah a bit much, but i wanted it to look cool with my stamina bar and ult indicator

[steel flame]

it certainly looks cool, cant deny that

[spice veldt]

the white line indicates the dodge CD

just the number looked a bit off

[steel flame]

where did you pick that one up at?

[spice veldt]

it's my personal modification of numericUI

very janky

[steel flame]

i thought about using the crosshair ui

but i dunno

its alot on the middle of the screen

[spice veldt]

it's smaller than the default ult indicator which i like for having it closer to the center of my screen

i have extremely bad attention management so i like having that stuff in the middle

[hidden crystal]

I've had surprisingly few people who want to whine about my loadout, fortunately.

[empty shuttle]

Is this worth it for brand new psyker?

@lunar hollow

[hidden crystal]

I don't tend to use Purgatus much, but if you're planning on using it (rather than ripping Warp Nexus or something off it), Cloud Radius is a bad dump stat.

[empty shuttle]

is warp nexus any good?

is it rare?

[hidden crystal]

Warp Nexus is a popular pick on Purgatus, as it means you can stack your crit chance pretty high - and while I'm generally not impressed with crits, they work a lot better on something like a Purgatus that does fast small hits rather than slow big hits.

If your attack rate is high enough, and your crit chance high enough, then the crits become frequent enough to basically just be a straight damage boost (rather than randomly messing with your break points in an unreliable and unpredictable way).

[empty shuttle]

hmm

as I said, I am a brand new psyker (lvl 28) and am considering if I should drop Melk bux on it

[hidden crystal]

If I recall, for the Purgatus you want Cloud Radius as high as possible (it's your max range, and you don't want your range to be any less than it has to be), and Burn of at least 76%, as that hits a threshold for extra ticks of burn stacks

[empty shuttle]

thanks!

[hidden crystal]

However, I don't use the Purgatus enough to give really concrete advice.

[upper galleon]

You are completely right there

[steel flame]

mmmm personally id wait

[upper galleon]

Wait till you are 30 and get a fresh shop reset

[steel flame]

purgatus has a very small blessing pool

[upper galleon]

So everything is level 30 level gear

Warp nexus and warp flurry is what I use

[steel flame]

so your more likely to get blessings you want with purgatus and surge staffs since they only have a total of 4 blessings,

i wouldnt use your milk buks on it

[blissful radish]

game decided to drop me this, is this a sign to use it

[fluid knot]

https://tenor.com/view/gitgud-thepruld-git-gud-dark-gif-8126281

[steel flame]

i hope you roll mercy killer or lacerate

[blissful radish]

we'll see, currently testrunning it on dif3

[steel flame]

yikes if they buff the void staff anymore its gonna start being broken, what they need to do is give it and all the other staves unique blessings or something

[blissful radish]

actually really nice to use

[steel flame]

you can practically dash with it if you heavy attack while sprinting

[blissful radish]

real

[steel flame]

yup

knife makes you the speediest of bois

my favorite psyker melee

lets you close the distance on shooters really fast forcing them into melee, and you can also retreat with it and dash around corners

the dodges are also really good and if you use the kinitic deflection feat your melee defense is really high with it too

[blissful radish]

taze backstab combo is really fucking over the big boys, I love it

[steel flame]

also the push attack on the knife is super safe because it comes out so fast, and it does a shit ton of damage

[steel flame]

if you think its good on the big boys now just wait till you get lacerate on it, 4 bleed stacks perk non headshot attack up to 16 bleed stacks, bleeds bulwarks, reapers and bosses for BIG damage

[humble urchin]

How good is Illisi Force Sword?

[ornate hamlet]

Very

[humble urchin]

I know it has an unique special attack compared to other ones, but how valuable it is compared to a deimos force sword?

Is it still worth charge and do the special attack in practical?

[spice veldt]

for hordeclear, the special is almost always the best option if you can afford the peril and there is sufficient density

the special is illisi's shining star

against maulers/ragers, you'll want to spam the special for the stagger even if the single-target DPS is mediocre

illisi's special has enough base cleave to hit two ragers/maulers

special-lights and special-heavies have the same amount of cleave, and I usually spam special-lights on ragers since that allows you to chain stagger them repeatedly

[blissful radish]

got tier 3

what should I replace haymaker with

[spice veldt]

illisi's special also has 1.75x damage against unyielding (0.75x to carapace, and 1.00x to everything else), so I like it for spamming it into reapers or bulwarks if I'm behind them and I have slaughterer stacks to two-shot them

[humble urchin]

so it's very good on horde clearing and staggering elites, right?

[spice veldt]

yeah that's a good summary

its peril generation during normal usage is also either a good or bad thing depending on your situation and feat selection

[humble urchin]

But for burst damage or enemies that are not that high intensity, Deimos performs better, so they both have their unique advantage under situation I guess?

[spice veldt]

ye

obscurus/deimos's special has that sweet 200% bonus on flak

and deimos has its l1/h2

https://streamable.com/tb0hug

[humble urchin]

If I was using a staff for example, Surge staff, surge staff is not very good against horde so it's better to pair with Illisi to help my horde management, but if I'm using something like a flame staff, horde will never be an issue so Deimos probably do the job better when I just need to quickly finish 1 or 2 enemies or encountered with an elite.

[spice veldt]

i like my illisi more since it's a very brain-off weapon, and the toughness regen from melee kills is very well appreciated (if I'm not running warp absorption)

especially for diving ranged patrols

[grizzled iris]

Dmg and burn 76%+ cloud as close to 80bas possible for reasons you stated.

[unreal dust]

What's optimal for Laspistol Blessings these days?

[empty shuttle]

What is the dump stat on illisi?

[unreal dust]

Peril Resistance -- unless you really want to stay at low peril or are trying for a Block Efficiency build >.>

[empty shuttle]

ty

[empty shuttle]

just rolled this, what are we thinking?

[humble urchin]

I just did some test and notice Illisi has crazily good horde clearing ability, very wide special heavy attack that one-shots most of hordes, but lacking the single target damage as the deimos stab and its special,

[unreal dust]

I've never been a big fan of Precognition. Otherwise it looks fine. Block Efficiency isn't going to do much for you unless you plan to slap on Deflector

[empty shuttle]

what are the top blessings for illisi?

[empty shuttle]

ty

[unreal dust]

Slaughterer+Whatever

[grizzled iris]

Dum dum and infernus are the best

[steel flame]

Mercy killer if you can find it

[unreal dust]

Illisi does what it was designed to do. 😄

[grizzled iris]

Slaughterer + Unstable power
Slaughterer + Deflector

[humble urchin]

I think I will stick with deimos for now as I usually use flame staff, but I will pair a Illisi for my surge staff build.

ops, wrong reply

[unreal dust]

Much appreciated

[empty shuttle]

ty. What about the perks?

[hidden crystal]

Brunt recently gave me one that's nice apart from the fact it's just too much of a dump on Warp Resistance.

[plucky flax]

Damage is dump stat on purgatus

[empty shuttle]

so far we have these 2. What are we thinking?

[steel flame]

You actually have pretty decent horde clear on surge funny enough. If you can learn how to quell cancel the m1 and put terrifying barrage on there along with nexus 4 it one shots trash while suppressing them, with how fast you can get it to fire you can melt hordes decent enough absolutely murders specials and rangers with all the crits

[grizzled iris]

Dmg increases how often the burn dmg ticks so think again

[steel flame]

?????

Nope

[hidden crystal]

My current one is a bit weak on First Target (with about 60%, I think), and I'd like to be able to get the Flak/Maniac combo on it (it's currently Stamina/Flak), but the new one would generate twice as much Peril per charge than the old one... and as I'm not exactly great on Peril management I'd rather not have it as bad as the one I found is.

[plucky flax]

X doubt for that information

[spice veldt]

it's always 0.75 seconds innit

time to test that

[steel flame]

Damage only affects the direcr damage done by the staff

[grizzled iris]

Then why is it stated in the tooltip?

[steel flame]

Because it's lying to you

[spice veldt]

could be referring to the fire rate of the direct damage

[unreal dust]

Dump Stat is going to be Peril Resist or Quell Speed. If you're doing Purgatus right, you should be getting Battle Meditation

[steel flame]

It means the direct damage tick rate

[grizzled iris]

Or was it how often it applies the fire, maybe i got those mixed up

[plucky flax]

Warp resistance is good on purg

[humble urchin]

The surge does very low damage against infested and unarmored enemies, also it's only doing full damage for the first 2 targets that's chained, the rest will take half and quater of the main damage, when it comes to horde which mostly conbined with tons of infested and unarmored enemies, it's clearing ability can't compete with flame staff.

[plucky flax]

Damage is absolutely dump stat. Congratulations you can do 2 more direct Damage.

[spice veldt]

damage tooltip

burn tooltip

presumably the damage over time application thingy on burn is what controls how fast soulblaze stacks are applied

[grizzled iris]

Burning intensity

[steel flame]

The m1 on surge past 50% peril with WU one shot body shots all trash enemies, infested or otherwise

[grizzled iris]

The m1 on surge past 420% peril with WU one shot body shots all trash enemies, infested or otherwise

[unreal dust]

As @spice veldt said. And this is just the base value--before you start applying multipliers from additional stacks, Slaughterer, Unstable Power.....

[steel flame]

-_-

[grizzled iris]

Sorry, it just looked funny as you keept editing the % value xD

[steel flame]

I did it once okay 😂

[grizzled iris]

[spice veldt]

yeah soulblaze's tick occurs every 0.75 seconds regardless of the damage/burn stat

[grizzled iris]

And the burn intensity? What does that mean

[humble urchin]

anyway, surge staff is a good staff, but it's not good at horde clearing, we all know that.

[spice veldt]

no idea, but my guess is that it's referring to how fast it inflicts the direct damage

[plucky flax]

Wut I'm taking about purgatus. Not sword

[fluid knot]

I was under the impression that direct damage and burn damage were seperate entirely?

[steel flame]

Works fine for me. It's no void staff but at a distance it absolutely chews hordes to pieces

[grizzled iris]

Surge is good, people just use it in stupid ways, stunning mutants 50m away from team, surging a poxburster without letting it initiate self destruct first. Spamming it into infested hordes xD

[plucky flax]

Rate of direct damage from secondary action.

[humble urchin]

You can always trust a flame staff to solo kill the horde from a direction, but you can't do the same with surge staff, at least not in danmination.

[unreal dust]

You do understand that the swords buffs apply when you swap weapons, right?

[grizzled iris]

Thank you

[plucky flax]

So damage is dump stat

[grizzled iris]

Always eager to refresh my memory

[spice veldt]

the damage stat on purg doesn't affect how much damage soulblaze does

[grizzled iris]

Agreed

[spice veldt]

soulblaze is its own separate thing

[grizzled iris]

Purgatus is a dump weapon anyways

[fluid knot]

Doesnt even seem to stun muties reliably in current patch since they changed the stagger values from last patch

Ive been watching em just run right though the lightning an ignore it

[humble urchin]

I haven't seen many bad surge staff players, but spamming it into infested hordes, lmao

[grizzled iris]

It usually comes down to if there was something inbetween you and the mutant and what animation frame the mutant is currently at

[humble urchin]

better just pull the sword it's gonna kill infested quicker lol

[steel flame]

You just gotta hold them in the lightning long enough

[fluid knot]

Ah fair, i dont use the thing myself, just what i've noticed when in games with others who are using it

[grizzled iris]

99% of surge players sucks with the staff

[plucky flax]

Yeah so what's that gotta do with purgatus having damage as dump stat?

[spice veldt]

and the lightning VFX lying sometimes, since it'll jump around if you move the mouse around even though it really only picks a few targets at the start of the cast

[grizzled iris]

The staff stun is kinda wonky ngl xD bad coding

[humble urchin]

When I tried the surge staff the first time, I thought it's gonna do just like the flame staff, and I found myself killed by horde over and over, I learnt it's not good against horde lol, pulling the sword will perform much better than spamming surge staff to hordes.

[spice veldt]

it used to apply that blue scorched effect to any enemy you hovered your mouse over which made me think that it was applying the lightning to everything

[grizzled iris]

Use the staff more of an assassination tool, rush in CC kill in melee. If flak shows up you electrocute them

[humble urchin]

when there's only 5ish enemies, surge staff stun them all, but when there's 20, 30, or even 50, by the time I charge my second surge, they are all at my face, lol

[fluid knot]

Yeah that dont surprise me, bad coding just about sums up a good portion of stuff in DT currently

[grizzled iris]

They learnt it from bethesta devs

[humble urchin]

ya, it's very powerful against armored enemies, even the carapace armors, great tool for shutting down or cc the high priority targets.

[steel flame]

I still can't get over the fact that the m1 on surge just fuckin melts ragers and maulers. Thoss 500+ Crits are nasty

I dont even follow up a shock with melee anymore I just delete them with a couple m1s

[fluid knot]

It'd be nicer if it didnt have that weird delay issue with firing the bolts, that pisses me off accross the board on the staves

[humble urchin]

I think surge staff is the only weapon that actually does significantly higher damage to carapace armoured enemies than unarmoured, such an unique weapon lol

[steel flame]

Hey at least we can animation cancel that with quell

[grizzled iris]

That is m1?

[fluid knot]

Eh, using borderline glitches dont do it for me, not that i see much point in most cases anyway

[humble urchin]

oh no, not m1, it's charged action.

[grizzled iris]

Yea, don't crop that out xD

[steel flame]

Have it your way, mister quell canceling is a DPS downgrade

[fluid knot]

Only people its gonna hurt if its ever fixed is those who feel the need to use it habitually, much like many of the broken blessings 🤷‍♂️

[steel flame]

[plucky flax]

[humble urchin]

I think the main reason I don't use any other staff except flame staff is because I don't need to aim carefully lol

[sudden isle]

which should I keep and what should I tweak about it?

[steel flame]

mmmmm

well

#3 you might be acble to salvage with warp flurry over transfer peril

but its charge rage is pretty slow

and change th ranged to flak

4 would make a decent fire trauma if the warp resistance wasnt so bad

the first 2 i would shred for the rank 4 blessings

maybe one day those blessings might actually do something for the trauma staff

[sudden isle]

ty ty

[spice veldt]

motherfucking pub surge and trauma psykers

they are the most annoying pieces of shits to have ever existed

[lunar hollow]

are u ok

[spice veldt]

i'm actually getting trolled by the trauma psyker blowing enemies that i'm directly meleeing

[spice veldt]

no

[lunar hollow]

what hapoened

happened

[spice veldt]

surge psyker is whatever, but the trauma psyker blowing up enemies that i'm meleeing is so annoying

the double whammy of two trolly ass psykers just annoyed me

[lunar hollow]

have u considered killing them

[spice veldt]

yes

[lunar hollow]

honestly i just leave games where i am actively being hindered by more than 1 player

[spice veldt]

i unfortunately picked up mats and i want my damn materials

especially infuriating when i can see other enemies that they can blow up

motherfucker has no depth perception or is a little jack shit

[lunar hollow]

i think some of them think theyre helping

by ccing shit next to u

same logic as shieldgryns planting in hordes

[spice veldt]

they did good on specials killed, but god their trauma usage is so annoying

AUHGASHGIAS

[lunar hollow]

i wish i didnt play psyker

so i didnt really understand trauma n stuff

[spice veldt]

the horrors of knowing how they could do better

[lunar hollow]

so when dumb shit happens idk how it couldve been avoided

yea

that

shithead pub psykers are the worst. cuz their trolling outside of eating all the ammo on gunker is resource free

at least dipshit bolter vet spends ammo to det the burster on me

[ornate hamlet]

you

[spice veldt]

let the man speak from personal experience

[lunar hollow]

im not that bad

cmon

[lunar hollow]

i spent a long time having it happen to me before i started doing it to other people ok

[ornate hamlet]

gatekeep guyboss

[lunar hollow]

wtf...

no way...

[ornate hamlet]

yas quing slayyyyyyyyy

[lunar hollow]

im gonna blow you up again

binch

[ornate hamlet]

blow

job

[lunar hollow]

no

not for u

[ornate hamlet]

you just said you gon blow me again

mf

[lunar hollow]

you know that's a threat and not a promise

https://streamable.com/mrjt0n

[ornate hamlet]

10 shots for one burster

krill issue

krill yourself safe

kreep, even

[lunar hollow]

tell me to kms like a man

pussy

[ornate hamlet]

a MAN does not talk like a MAN to a BOY

https://tenor.com/view/flex-muscles-dance-gif-14711755

[lunar hollow]

wtf

rude

[ornate hamlet]

nerd

[lunar hollow]

hate u

[steel flame]

I'm gonna have to hover my trauma circle over you all game next time we play together I think

[fluid knot]

If someone is being intentionally disruptive, either vote kick or leave

Dont waste your time on people who behave like they have nothing but dead flies an bits of fluff between their ears

[regal jasper]

Thats me

I once rezed a guy just to walk off a ledge and die

[spice veldt]

you're not real

[regal jasper]

Not the intentionally part just the dead flies bit

[steel flame]

Lol

Oh but I am

[blissful radish]

should I take the left knife mercy killer to the right one?

[spice veldt]

sorry but i deny your existence

[grizzled iris]

He is an Ork psyker, if he believe you do not exist, then you don't exist plain n' simple Ork logic

[bleak tulip]

they have a name, its "weirdboy"

use lore accurate names pls this is srs 🤓

[regal jasper]

What does yalls psykers look like

[bleak tulip]

lady with glowy eyes and hood, like everyone else

[regal jasper]

This is mine

[bleak tulip]

f your leg

[regal jasper]

As much as i agree with your name i don’t agree with that

[regal jasper]

Not even a mod

[bleak tulip]

yeah I know

[regal jasper]

I just saw pegleg pants went “heh” and bought them

[bleak tulip]

my point is more that most people dont seem to have bought drip

[regal jasper]

Ah yeah

[bleak tulip]

me included (one very recent exception)

[grizzled iris]

(People might not know the lore since most people here are call of duty players, hence why I didn't use lore names)

[bleak tulip]

(checks out)

[regal jasper]

Damn

Teach every cod player warhammer lore

[bleak tulip]

might pull the warhammer understander overton window more left hilariously

[grizzled iris]

While we're on the topic.
Give us Bionic force swords, Aether swords, telekinesis rods, force rod, and shockwave.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

[bleak tulip]

back to topic I did get the latest psyker set because I like the hat, but nothing goes with it so why not

got a lot of hours out of this and I needed a look for trauma

[fluid knot]

Fun thing about an Ork psyker.. when he has too mucha that warp juice its his mates heads that go bang, not his (please make a thing FS to we can rid ourselves of the shackles of tourists)

[grizzled iris]

Poor boyz

[regal jasper]

That was one of the problems i found after buying a hat

[fluid knot]

Aye, of all the races in the 40k universe, Orks are the most morally decent imo

Which feels weird to have to say, but eh

[regal jasper]

Psyker hats are kinda shit

[regal jasper]

Salamanders too

I almost said i don’t see them as part of the imperium but it sounds racist so ill say that there morals put them above the imperium

[hasty geyser]

i somehow have managed to fit the white reskin of the penance hood into most of my cosmetic sets

wierdly enough it fits the cap on the new penance set chest pieces

[regal jasper]

I was originally gonna get the chem safe mask

But it kept making me bald

No matter my face shape or hair

[hasty geyser]

but i would agree outside of the hoods, not a fan of most of the paid hats

yeah i see potential in that one if it worked :v

[regal jasper]

That shirt makes me cry cuz i wanted it so bad but cant get the penance no matter how hard i try

[hidden crystal]

I just took a liking to many of the old penance cosmetics (although I have recently augmented them with a backpack that I can pretend I keep my ammo in).

In my head, a simple uniform fits fairly well with the Savant voice, and all that idealistic talk of duty and service to the Imperium. Also, to be honest, while almost every psyker has these cosmetics in their inventory, most people use other stuff instead, so it's actually a fairly rare look to see at higher levels.

[regal jasper]

Also i think i was in a game with you a few days ago

[hasty geyser]

this is my autopistol psyker set
ive got one for each loadout i use :)

yeah you dont see alot of full red sets these days

[cosmic sigil]

that coat was a big success

[hasty geyser]

haha yes its a good look

i like how we all have different pants options

[regal jasper]

Everyone likes the coat it seems

[regal jasper]

My pants are one of a kind

And i refuse to take them off

No cuz the peg leg

[hasty geyser]

big fan of the new chestpiece too
this is my surge psyker

[cosmic sigil]

alternative look

[hidden crystal]

That explains the smell.

[regal jasper]

Its my head cannon my guy has a peg leg so normal pants don’t work anymore

Only peg leg pants

[regal jasper]

The mask is the coolest I’ve seen

[cosmic sigil]

yeah that mask is dope af

[hidden crystal]

Four thousand diamantine, forty-four plasteel. The story of Darktide crafting materials...

[cosmic sigil]

it goes well with anything

[cosmic sigil]

ahaha yeah lol, it's better now that i don't have to spend thousands on illisis...

[hasty geyser]

i have 3 illisis and i keep having ideas for them...

[cosmic sigil]

i have 30 illisis and...

[hasty geyser]

im wanting to build a blazing spirit IV/bloodthirsty one but i cant ever get the darned thing to roll

[regal jasper]

What were yalls thoughts on the witch fingers attachment

[hasty geyser]

mid, tbh

[regal jasper]

I hated it

Made me almost throw up first time i saw them wiggle

[cosmic sigil]

there is no blazing 4 on swords iirc

[hidden crystal]

For a bonus, I'm slightly less likely to be mistaken for a Poxwalker in the middle of battle.

I've certainly had moments with some of the grey-brown cosmetics where I've taken a swing at other members of the team.

[cosmic sigil]

it's only for staves

[hasty geyser]

no way, i cant get a crit to apply 4 stacks of soulblaze on illisi?

[cosmic sigil]

or is it the other way around?

[hasty geyser]

im gonna be so sad if thats true lol

[void arch]

Blazing is on power swords

[hasty geyser]

oh no it exist dw

[hidden crystal]

Given this is straight out of my armoury: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1108825832148971630/image.png

[hasty geyser]

yeah thats my next build

[cosmic sigil]

ahh ok so the t4 is not on staves then

only on swords

[regal jasper]

My sword is still blue

I kinda ran out of plasteel again

[hasty geyser]

although idk if anything can replace slaughterer/executor for me

[regal jasper]

On this

[hasty geyser]

f

[regal jasper]

Dmg isn’t that good either

[cosmic sigil]

it's better to use shred than bloodthirsty for a fire sword

[hasty geyser]

oh thats fair

[cosmic sigil]

special + bloodthirsty will kill anything and thus not proce SB

[hasty geyser]

also just easier to manage

[cosmic sigil]

yeah, it's fun

[hasty geyser]

didnt know fs could roll shred, its got a different icon

wierd

[hidden crystal]

I was very cross when it rolled, because what I want to do is improve my current Slaughterer/Deflector Illisi (which has a slightly duff first target stat, and I want to swap out the +Stamina for +Maniac).

[hasty geyser]

(shred is my favorite blessing in game)

[cosmic sigil]

the special doesn't shred tho

so you'll be spamming lights

[hasty geyser]

i do that already lol

[cosmic sigil]

i would keep stam

it's objectively more useful than your other perk

and will help in pushing / moving

[hasty geyser]

i have chainsword on my zealot with shred/savage sweep and that thing lets me shoulder check hordes every 3s :)

[hidden crystal]

On the sword I want to replace, not on this one.

[cosmic sigil]

you should try heavy sword with headtake + rampage

[hasty geyser]

have it, love it

[grizzled iris]

Executor is no good, first you need to hit 2 headshots in a row, and if you miss any headshot or hit any enemy in a body part that is not the head or miss altogether, you lose all stacks

[cosmic sigil]

hmm find it not really hard to proce tbh

[hasty geyser]

yeah its not too bad in a horde

swing 2 or 3 times and then shove

[hidden crystal]

This is the sword I want to replace, where +Stamina is less useful than +Maniac would be (given I'm already running a +3 Stamina Curio): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1100547014036562041/image.png

[hasty geyser]

everything flies back

is gud :)

[cosmic sigil]

ahh yeah, 60 first target is sad

[hidden crystal]

Unfortunately though, getting anything better from Brunt's is a small minority, and then Hadron seems to delight in ruining anything good I do get.

I'm not sure if she still has teeth I can knock out, but hearing "I trust you are pleased, varlet?" when she's just put +XP on a +17% Toughness curio is enough to make me want to find out.

[hasty geyser]

gaming

[hidden crystal]

Ah yes, the old chop chop stagger routine.

[cosmic sigil]

to get this sword i spend more than 2 million ordos and probably 20k plasteel

[hasty geyser]

i only buy curios from armoury if its already blue and has 2 good stats

[hasty geyser]

hey not bad

[hidden crystal]

Except with me it often involves a lot more stagger. I have that +3 Stamina Curio for a reason.

[hasty geyser]

ive been trying to get one of those, havnt seen a good roll yet

[hidden crystal]

Note that, currently, they seem to be bugged if they have a Blessing Rating of 75.

Where they claim to be +3, but only provide +2 in mission.

[regal jasper]

I wish a left 4 dead 2 style pvp mode came out

[cosmic sigil]

and it's not the one i use the most... because right after i hit 30 i bought this one and i can put whatever 2 blessing i want

[regal jasper]

I wanna kill everyone as a dreg gunner

[hasty geyser]

i still need another good toughness curio too bc im not at 134+ toughness for shotgunners to not instantly break my toughness in 1 shot

[hasty geyser]

recon lasgun?

if only it was good 😔

[cosmic sigil]

confirmed yeah... i had a few bad ones on my other characters

[cosmic sigil]

that's the breakpoint?

[hasty geyser]

134, iirc

ya i read on a reddit post somewhere

[cosmic sigil]

ah shit, on my deflector build i have 131

[safe crystal]

Thats on point blank

Its less now after shotgunners were nerfed

[hasty geyser]

oh thats good

[spice veldt]

168 at point blank

[hasty geyser]

ty

[regal jasper]

No like i want to be the dreg gunner in a game

The team does they own shit

But im a dreg gunner

[spice veldt]

though if you're moving around, usually not all of their pellets hit you

[plucky flax]

Rip not even 70+ finesse

[cosmic sigil]

69 though...

[regal jasper]

I could get a team wipe as a dreg gunner

[hasty geyser]

rn using 2 hp and 1 toughness curio all with +toughness, +toughness regen, +hp

[safe crystal]

Milestones reached

[hasty geyser]

nice

[spice veldt]

you've done a good job

[cosmic sigil]

tbh, 70+ finess wouldn't give me more...

[plucky flax]

I like memes too but prefer actual damage.

[cosmic sigil]

with the others modifiers and unstable 4 / slaughterer 4, i dunno if i miss important bp with only 69

[hidden crystal]

I'm envious. I recently found something similar stat wise, but the Warp Resistance is something like 47%... and I know a lot of people like running with as much Peril as possible for Warp Unleashed and Unstable Power and all that, but I'd rather it were better, because it's generating twice the peril my current one does, and I know I'm going to screw up, having been used to being able to charge it with impunity so far.

[plucky flax]

Unstable

[cosmic sigil]

i use deflector more... especially in hi sg lmao

[hidden crystal]

I've not bothered actually consecrating that one as a result.

[spice veldt]

the power of god and anime will protect me from ranged enemies

[hidden crystal]

Partly because I'm, once again, low on plasteel, and I'd rather save it for something ideal.

[hasty geyser]

i press f and all the ranged enemies burn to death :)

[plucky flax]

Rip finesse on this one

[cosmic sigil]

47 is not really low, i used this one for a while...

man that was dangerous

[regal jasper]

Story of my life

Im keeping my sword blue cuz im scared yall will say its bad and ill cry

[hidden crystal]

It's low when your current one is 79%, and 47% generates twice the peril your old one did.

[cosmic sigil]

naaah it's ok

[regal jasper]

Ill cry

[hasty geyser]

how much peril does that one generate?

[regal jasper]

Uh

[cosmic sigil]

around 40

[hasty geyser]

[regal jasper]

25 I think, I’ve been busy doing stuff with my boyfriend the past few days

[spice veldt]

iirc 51% warp res is the breakpoint for getting 5 specials off continuously from 0% peril

so i usually like to have illisis with at least 51%

[cosmic sigil]

yeah, that teaches you to manage you peril lmao

[hasty geyser]

just quell 1-3% after doing anything lol

youll be fine 😎

[hidden crystal]

My current 79% Resistance one is about 13% peril per charge, the one with 47% is about 26% peril.

At 13% Peril, I pretty much don't have to worry about blowing myself up with it - if I have the opening to keep charging it, then I can just keep going for the most part.

[cosmic sigil]

hmm i use warp absorption now so it's better if i can spam special

[hasty geyser]

i see peril resist and quell speed as a dump stat on most things tbh
i love horde clearing things and using unpowered melee is how i like to quell anyways

battle meditation and passive quelling are usually my go to's

so i end up with triple 80's with peril dump stats

:3

[ornate hamlet]

RIP first target

[safe crystal]

My imperfect Illisi, gambling on getting one with flak instead of UA with similar stats

[regal jasper]

Hi psykers

[safe crystal]

Hello stranger

[regal jasper]

Having fun blowing up today?

[plucky flax]

Unarmoured whyyy

[hasty geyser]

haha its not missing too much
1.27x to probably like 1.35x multiplier

either way it still meets the breakpoints to one shot all not elites

[spice veldt]

I like my quell speed for my warp flurry trauma to get a blast off when I really need it

[hasty geyser]

quell speed trauma makes sense tbh

[regal jasper]

Y’all ever beat single enemies to death with the melee part of the staff?

[hasty geyser]

yes

[spice veldt]

doesn't make a change to your DPS overall but that extra bit of peril quelled per tick can push you into the breakpoints for only quelling two ticks for a full blast from 100% instead of three ticks

I do it on the more boring finales like vigil station

[hasty geyser]

so i can oneshot dreg stalkers

[regal jasper]

Glad im not alone in this

My goal is to kill a boss with it

[spice veldt]

on the plus side, the first target stat doesn't scale the damage of illisi's special

[regal jasper]

I can solo any boss beside deamonhost with staff melee and brain burst

[hasty geyser]

tbh it meets all the breakpoints even with such a low first target

doesnt need to be higher, tbh

[plucky flax]

Stalkers tend to be in packs. You can build up slaughterer stacks fast

[hasty geyser]

yup

[plucky flax]

Maniac is too important to me cos I hate muties

[hasty geyser]

they split up alot tho

[plucky flax]

Pro nfl players

[hidden crystal]

The one thing I've got at the moment that I don't want to replace because it's got a perk I'd rather was something else is my psyker's MG12:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1125963715557212160/image.png

[regal jasper]

Im gonna do a solo deamonhost no hit staff melee speed run on damnation

[hasty geyser]

sheesh

tell me
does it one shot all ranged trash

or does it need +unarmored for the dreg ones

[plucky flax]

Maybe with headshot

On vet you need unarmoured to 1 shot body shot dreg stalkers in volley fire.

[regal jasper]

Who thinged me

[hasty geyser]

just uh
dont miss head

its easy :)

[plucky flax]

I'm noob I only aim center Mass.

[hasty geyser]

haha fair
darktides sens settings arent very precise, tbh (ik theres a mod for that)

[cosmic sigil]

with the hit reg being fucked as it is and packets loss, i never plan for headshots... my weapons must be center mass viable

[hidden crystal]

Oh, definitely with headshots. With headshots, if I've got my warp charges and Peril up, it can juuuuust one-shot gunners of either type at Damnation if I'm not too close (because of the weird reverse damage falloff).

It can do it on Heresy without needing any Peril.

[tranquil plume]

do force weapon still have lower quell speed than normal weapons ?

[spice veldt]

according to the patch notes, they should

BB and force swords have a quell speed stat of 50% for reference

but the speed difference is not as drastic as it was in the past

[tranquil plume]

so if i want faster quell speed i should not use a force weapon ?

[hasty geyser]

passive yeah

if ur like me and like quelling through melee

[spice veldt]

active quelling was buffed quite a bit so having a staff is nice

and force swords being one of our best melee options

[hasty geyser]

rashad and antax axes are good on psyker
can spam push attack

[hidden crystal]

It'll drop most things with body shots, but with its accuracy and mobility stats (mobility somewhat affects moving spread) and two headshot based blessings though, I'm going for the headshots whenever I can anyway.

[golden tartan]

Its also not necessarily a good idea to quell to 0 nowadays

[hasty geyser]

i used to only use mk VII tacaxe on psyker for a long time

[spice veldt]

active quelling used to increase in speed, with the first tick taking 500ms before you quelled; currently, quelling is constant throughout and each interval takes 250ms

[golden tartan]

Cos WU is very strong

[hidden crystal]

It's really good at dealing with Reapers... as long as no-one else interferes, anyway.

[hasty geyser]

click on head
reaper dies :)

i wish psyker could use a shotgun
i so badly want to use kantrael for an ascendant blaze build

but alas, that would be too powerful lol

[hidden crystal]

The thing is that normally it doesn't much stagger Reapers, so it's really easy to do follow-up shots, and you're completely immune to their return fire (at least until your power pack runs dry) - but when someone else does something to stagger them, the follow-up shots can be a lot harder.

If I get into a good rhythm, I can clear out large packs of enemy gunners and shooters efficiently enough to do a good job of competing with vets.

Sometimes more so, depending on their loadout.

I've certainly had a good few missions where I've been the stand-in sharpshooter.

I had one Consignment Yard mission not all that long ago where everyone else had brought short ranged stuff, so I ended up setting up on my own in the control booth in the mid-mission event to have someone to look after the Interrogators up there.

[cosmic sigil]

i did an excise vault with 1 purgatus, 1 surge and 1 flamer

i had a shredder

well, i'm glad 3 of us had bb

[tranquil plume]

with which staff ?

[cosmic sigil]

that was fun tbh, as long as we stayed together nothing could come close

[safe crystal]

The one that shoots lasers

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, that's part of the reason I've mostly stuck with the MG12 (or sometimes the Vraks VII) - I do seem to get dropped into a lot of missions like that.

Now I think about it, I had one mission I dropped into the middle of earlier where it did seem like the existing players were struggling until I turned up with more range.

[hasty geyser]

gun

was refrencing the mg xii marco was talking about

[bleak tulip]

polo

[cosmic sigil]

https://collections.royalarmouries.org/object/rac-object-911

[zealous sierra]

Hmmm

[cosmic sigil]

that's not bad

[zealous sierra]

Lemme cap my current 3

Honestly a mess

[cosmic sigil]

you have some bad perks...

[zealous sierra]

I like keeping mutant

Stops them from breaking my armor

At least when it's full

[cosmic sigil]

the best way to stop mutants bullying you is to have your back against a wall

[zealous sierra]

But then they come in side ways

Pain

[bleak tulip]

well go look at em then

[zealous sierra]

No Deimos sword atm

[bleak tulip]

I mean theyre also easier to dodge when you look at them

[zealous sierra]

50-50

[hasty geyser]

these are what my psyker uses currenty

hoping eventually to swap the 18% hp one with a +3 stam

[analog solstice]

I heard tooughness regen is pretty middle of the pack since it only affects toughness regen from coherence regen 🤔

I try to roll 5% toughness 5% healt and 25% gunner resist

[hasty geyser]

gunner resist is nice but on psyker its less nessecary cus bb

i hug walls and peek in and out alot

works with my playstyle

[analog solstice]

Its for those chaotic moments when you get attacked from all sides

[hasty geyser]

generally id agree with gunner resist tho, i run it on zeal

[snow socket]

woohoo, an actual good find in Melk's shop

[hasty geyser]

hey thats nice

[hasty geyser]

imo, you shouldnt ever find yourself in that situation unless you misplayed

and if you need out, you hit f and run

[analog solstice]

There are some hold your ground events where they spawn anywhere in a 360 degree. The place where you gotta interrogate in the middle of an arena for a while for example

[hasty geyser]

fair

[analog solstice]

Dont remember the map nane

Name

[hasty geyser]

cant go wrong with hugging a piece of full cover nearest a wall

[hidden crystal]

If you're actually sticking together, faster toughness regeneration is very valuable. Note that in addition to increasing the regeneration rate, it also reduces the delay before the regeneration starts.

[hasty geyser]

it used to be mid

a few patches ago iirc

[hidden crystal]

They significantly increased the percentages on it.

Something like double or three times what they were.

[digital narwhal]

Spark'eads, me thinks you's all look bettuh with a Rippah in yer 'ands.
Just f-foo... rashuns for thou- thinkin'

[bleak tulip]

double

[hidden crystal]

But yes, Toughness Regen is a good perk.

[bleak tulip]

considering that like 90% of perks on curios are basically pointless its still up there and always kinda was

even though it was and probably still is kinda meh

[hasty geyser]

shotgunner or stalker resist when

[bleak tulip]

you have one slot on each curio thats either a relatively pointless resist or I guess toughness resist

[hidden crystal]

You might not want to try to get it on all three curios, as it does indeed have the drawback that it only provides its benefits some of the time (when in coherency and when you actually have toughness to regenerate), and some things just bypass or obliterate toughness anyway, so having some diversity is a good idea, but it can still make a decent difference to your survivability.

[bleak tulip]

cooldown reduction reduces your cooldown by like 2 and a half seconds max (20s - 12%)

which is.. something

but yknow

[hasty geyser]

yeah most of the resistances on curios are so insignificant or allow you to resist a bit of damage from a failed skillcheck

[hidden crystal]

Ability cooldown is underwhelming. Shame they wouldn't stretch to more than it taking off about a second.

[hasty geyser]

i dont see the point of running anything other than hp, toughness, toughness regen, or gunner resist

[hidden crystal]

Sniper resist.

[hasty geyser]

skillcheck

[hidden crystal]

Well, one could argue it's all a skill check.

[bleak tulip]

sniper, burster and tox flamer are skill issue

[hasty geyser]

dogs and mutants too

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[hidden crystal]

Don't need any HP or toughness if you don't get hit in the first place.

[bleak tulip]

yeah but then you may as well not take anything

[hasty geyser]

extra hp is nice bc of the chip damage that comes through every once in a while but its never from specialists, at least for me

toughness for the ranged trash

[bleak tulip]

basically its always HP and Toughness as perks imo, third one really your choice, it barely matters

maybe if youre a deflector type you want stam regen or more block efficiency or youre crazy and run +3 stam as a main curio effect but generally the third perk is pretty minor in influence

[hidden crystal]

Snipers do sometimes fire with an unreasonably short visual/sound cue, or even none at all, so it's not always skill. (And one way or another, everyone messes up occasionally).

[bleak tulip]

just hit dodge when you hear it

the timing is the same, just assume youre in the crosshairs if nobody spotted it yet

get out of jail free

[hasty geyser]

its alot easier to see sniper lasers in 3rd person ive found

[hidden crystal]

stam regen
+Stamina and Stamina Regen are good for being able to spam pushes on force swords (particularly when players sprint everywhere and you need to regen your stamina going into every fight).

The fact that paired with Deflector and Kinetic Deflection that it gives you a hilarious amount of block is just icing on the cake.

[hasty geyser]

stam regen is fair

is it better on high regen chars like psyker or low ones like vet?

[hidden crystal]

In this case, I think it only affects the rate, not the delay.

[hasty geyser]

unfortunate

[hidden crystal]

And it's time per bar, not for your entire pool, so +Stamina doesn't improve the regen rate.

[bleak tulip]

I think the first part of the block push is free isnt it

thats the one you wanna spam to interrupt attacks as you dodge out

I basically never full block push because its so slow

[plucky flax]

The only damage I take is from grim corruption so grim resist is bis for me.

[hasty geyser]

lol

i just dont play grim missions

[hidden crystal]

The light (AoE) push costs stamina. The heavy single target push costs peril.

[plucky flax]

I love double grims mission.

Makes it spicy.

[hidden crystal]

One of my standard tricks these days is to make use of my huge block pool to rescue people out of the middle of a horde, then spam a heap of pushes to buy them more time to get their bearings (or change weapon if they need to)

[bleak tulip]

well either way you dont need to have stamina to do the push and to dodge so its relatively pointless imo

[plucky flax]

But often I'm the only one holding the funny book.

[bleak tulip]

you can still do it on 0

[hasty geyser]

i do this. always have ppl going "whatd you do :o"

[bleak tulip]

staff has good stam for what it is and people dont know about the stam bonus you get for picking up

[hidden crystal]

I've gone a long way through missions making use of deflector and pushes to just control the horde, gunners, whatever really.

If you're not a scoreboard addict, it doesn't actually matter who gets the kills, and locking up a horde so that other people have more space can be a very valid tactic.

[safe crystal]

I run sniper resist because i get hit sometimes, but sometimes it just doesnt matter because i suck at this game

[plucky flax]

Tbf I have triple sniper resist too.

I think he hits me for like 80 or 90 damage

[hidden crystal]

Pushing Crushers over is still one of my favourite things to do.

[bleak tulip]

just use your staff for that c:

or just bb

[hidden crystal]

What staff?

[bleak tulip]

the staff you should be using c:

[digital narwhal]

Trauma = Best Staff
That weird bubble blower staff can't hold a candle to it

[hidden crystal]

A BB can't interrupt a crusher's attack anywhere near as fast as the heavy push on a force sword, nor quickly stagger two while you deal with the third.

[kind jay]

bb doesn't look as cool as pushing them over

[bleak tulip]

sure but you ideally dont wanna be that close anyway and deal with them before you gotta push em, if you have trauma you'd just trauma, if you purg you just purg

[hidden crystal]

Also, yes, it's just funny when a tiny French psyker pushes over a hulking mass of muscle and armour.

[kind jay]

it's also super chad to do it mid horde. like yeah i got time to be a bully

puts the fear into them

[hidden crystal]

you ideally dont wanna be that close anyway
Yes, but if you do find yourself that close (and it will often happen, even if you've not made any mistakes), it's a very useful tool in your arsenal.

[bleak tulip]

I usually just keep doing staff things to clean out everything around em instead of spending time pushing them around

trauma also knocks em over

[hasty geyser]

yall dont just dodge 2 or 3 crushers while prepping a bb?

[grizzled iris]

pzzt don't explain to them how to git gud. Let them dream

[kind jay]

that all just sounds so basic. bullying is fun!

same with the captain. why kill him when you can push him off the bridge

or pushing a dog all the way to extraction cause you want to adopt

[bleak tulip]

ideally I already BBed 2 ofthem down before I even get to that point tbh

[shadow onyx]

the light 1 is very potent too, you can os any mid trash ennemies with it

even thammer w/o slaughterer or evis cant do that

[rugged halo]

so close to being perfect

[hasty geyser]

illisi disguised as deimos

[rugged halo]

i like the look of deimos but the move set of illisi

but its the stats that make this sword near perfect

4 stats are 80% which is the max they can be, but that last stat needs to be like 70 i think for it to be perfect

[hasty geyser]

the quad 80s 😳

nah warp res is ok dump stat thats a nice sword

unfortunate perks tho

[rugged halo]

yea, i'm happy with it

[hasty geyser]

hoping your last blessing is decent

[rugged halo]

trying to get a good purgutas staff tho

this is my surge staff, which i loath

[hasty geyser]

i used to hate surge but ive been enjoying it lately just to dick on ranged trash lol

also quicken is fun

thats a rly nice surge staff

would swap tb to the crit one an elites damage to flak

[rugged halo]

oh, so refine the +8% damage on elites?

[hasty geyser]

yeah id say so

[rugged halo]

i got +20% ddamage (carapaced armoured enemies)

[hasty geyser]

f

i mean thats fine

[rugged halo]

but i'm guessing it isnt great

[hasty geyser]

surge is good against crushers for sure but its not about damage with them id say

mostly stuns for your team to capitalize on

[rugged halo]

thats what i like about purgatus staffs

the basic fire always stuns

[hasty geyser]

true

it staggers

[digital loom]

the best staff i've used is blaze trauma

[rugged halo]

well stagger is just as good as stunning

[digital loom]

by far and away the best staff i've ever used

[hasty geyser]

but shotgunners cant ignore the shock 👀

[rugged halo]

idk, i'll keep this staff around, but def gonna work on gettinfg a base 370+ purgutus staff

[hasty geyser]

yeah keep that one for sure

[rugged halo]

so far this what i got on a purgatus staff

the stats are pretty well rounded, but not great in any one spot

[hasty geyser]

kinda mid but workable yea

[rugged halo]

i was thinking about swapping out terrifying barrage, but i dont wanna lost it, sense i'm trying to stun/stagger. so i was gonna transcend it, and see what the next stat is, and iof i dont like it, imma replace it with the blessing that prevents my charge from being interrupted

[hasty geyser]

purg is rally good at supression

imo tb is redundant on most if not all staffs

maybe trauma/voidstrike have an excuse

[rugged halo]

i could put run n gun, warp flurry, or focused channeling on it

but i kinda wanna wait till i see what the second blessing is

[hasty geyser]

this is mine
i think +infested is redundant and would rather maniac or crit chance but its not bad

[rugged halo]

it looks prety good, sucks none of the stats are 80%

[hasty geyser]

nah is gud
i dont need all 80s, id be waiting forever lol

[rugged halo]

only 4 stats can ever be 80%

5th one is always gonna suffer

thats what i read anyways

[hasty geyser]

i havnt seen any quad 80s with a 5th stat above 70 but
statistically speaking i could understand why

[safe crystal]

Terrifying barrage is worse than it sounds. It only triggers IF your direct damage deals the killing blow, the flames do not count, and the AoE is centered on the player, not the kill. Purgatus also already has very strong suppression

[hasty geyser]

not a fan of terrifying barrage on anything really

if it surpressed enemies around the target id like it

[safe crystal]

Most dangerous enemies are also immune to suppression

[hasty geyser]

yeah

[digital loom]

terrifying barrage can be useful

but you know whats more useful?

killing everything that moves

[hasty geyser]

tru

supression does help with that tho

[digital loom]

i have an auto with terrifying barrage, its nice for the situations it can be used, but i'd really rather have more damage

it works on groaners

[hasty geyser]

but ghost tho

oh rly?

[digital loom]

yeah groaners will get suppressed

[hasty geyser]

might have to check that out for my zealot

[digital loom]

i have a brauto with terrifying and its sorta nice mid groaner hordes because they all stop and cower giving me time to shoot something dangerous

but it doesnt work on pox walkers so that strategy is niche

[hasty geyser]

o rip

[digital loom]

i dont think any of the range specific perks work with a trauma staff either

[grizzled iris]

80 x 4 = 320
max rating 380
380-320=60
obviously you can't get quad 80s with 1 5th stat above 70

[rugged halo]

to be honest i was totally guessing what the 5th stat would be

a weapon with 76% in all stats is possible tho. highly improbable tho

[shadow onyx]

if i was you i would try anyway to ding orange and proc a good bless

thoses stats are so juicy

and you have plenty of bless that work well on deimos

[rugged halo]

just got this from the emperor

[cyan moth]

everybody getting godtier weapons from the emperor

while i get shit liek

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-jack-horner-big-jack-horner-orb-villain-gif-27415007

[grizzled jasper]

Me looking at my shield collection

[hasty geyser]

me looking at my psykers gun collection

[rugged halo]

me looking for the perfect purgatus staff

so far i got this

[plucky flax]

RIP

[rugged halo]

i feel like i can do better

but that'll have to wait after i get some sleep

[ornate hamlet]

advice on perk reroll?

[lyric burrow]

Elites to maniac

Guess you could do stam too but tbh id personally take more stam esp since i think the elites damage doesnt even calculate properly

[safe crystal]

Elites does calculate properly. Its just not as good as a specialized damage vs armour type. The ones that you should avoid are crit damage and weakspot damage

[loud lodge]

best staff GO

[strong gulch]

Is cake or pie better? Go

[white sky]

Probably Trauma, I like Void Strike tho, Purgatus is good too

[white sky]

My aunts pound cake>>>>any other confectionary

God rest her soul

[loud lodge]

I thought the Trauma was garbage? Did they buff it?

[strong gulch]

I'm a fan of fruit tarts myself. Also pies.

[steel flame]

hes out of the loop boys

quick bombard him with false information

[strong gulch]

Trauma needs really good rolls. It's the best general staff.

[loud lodge]

I really am, last time I got big into DT the Trauma was the worst and the Voidstrike was the best

[steel flame]

yeah trauma is the best staff right now

it didnt take much

they reduced how much peril it generated

and boom best staff

[loud lodge]

yeah I remember it used to be like, one blast is almost 50 peril. also the damage was so garbage it would be better to just use the headpop

[strong gulch]

Like, when you first unlock trauma, the staff you get feels so garbage.

The worst rolled surge feels better because it still performs it's main function without got tier base stats.

[safe crystal]

Trauma being the first staff you unlock is a crime

Theres no way you can make it good at low levels

[strong gulch]

Legit made me think it was bad. Especially after coming over from conflag in VT2.

[loud lodge]

man the weapons are so much easier to use and so much more fun than the VT2 weapons. Felt like a real grind to get something good, now it's not even half the grind and way more fun.

[strong gulch]

The first vermintide weapon grind was so bad.

RNG is still a dog in darktide tho.

[harsh urchin]

all the vt staves are so much better

voidstrike is a travesty compared to fireball

[safe crystal]

I'd say trauma is a better conflagration, and purg is a better flamestorm. I do agree on fireball > voidstrike though

[plucky flax]

yo wtf I'm logging in to buy this

Pls give blazing spirits

[spice veldt]

anti-trauma propagandists within fatshark

[plucky flax]

I did it.

[fluid knot]

'grats, unbrickable

[plucky flax]

Upgrade timeline going from current to what I started.

I praise the lord.

[fresh panther]

How are you liking that crit / blazing spirit build for trauma?

[plucky flax]

It's the best overall build

[tropic lagoon]

When 2h force sword

[tropic lagoon]

But where are the crit bonuses coming from?

Unless it's just the warp nexus + blazing spirit

[plucky flax]

It's just to proc burn

I run wildfire and ascendant blaze.

In thicc horde I press f then go to melee for 5 stacks slaughterer

[fresh panther]

That sounds incredibly satisfying

[plucky flax]

Not as good horde clear as purgatus but more versitile.

[tropic lagoon]

I'm more of a surge enthusiast

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah I love surge too.

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sheev-palpatine-unlimited-power-power-force-gif-5073064

[tropic lagoon]

I just need my funny 2h force sword and i'll be happy