psyker-class

[golden tartan]

Also psykers get just as much damage on shredder as vets

Cos of warp charges and warp unleashed.

[fluid knot]

Aye, and Soulblaze getting effected by it

[golden tartan]

Even on zealot its ludicrous

[whole oxide]

ya, but they don't get the 75% DR, stacking 50% toughness regen, and free ammo

[fluid knot]

Yuuup.. drop maniac ragers in less than a second

[golden tartan]

Zealot doesnt need it, being the most survivable class in the game.

Also once again if ur killing everything

U dont need vet feats

[fluid knot]

Thats a whole other kettle of fish, but yeah, Vets feat tree has some seriously fucked options that need to be smashed into the dirt for the longer term health of the game

[golden tartan]

And ammo regen is irrelevant if ur teammates just feed you ammo

[whole oxide]

don't get me wrong, I think it needs nerfing on everything, but, it need like a 20% nerf on zealot/pskyer, and a 50% nerf on vet

[golden tartan]

As I said the only limiting factor of the shredder on zealot and psyker is your teammates bitching about not having ammo

20%?

Try like

Half the damage of the thing

Aka nuke pinning fire

Half the damage, increase ammo reserve a bit to compensate

The dps of the thing is just too high

[white sky]

I still want to know how exactly the blessings got made cause some are useless as fuck and some are pinning fire and literally double your output

[fluid knot]

Vet needs a lot of nerfs, and if the feats were nerfed it would significantly lessen the impact of compounding issues, such as how Pinning performs. Though yeah, it should absolutely cap out at 20% power

[white sky]

Someone said it felt like entirely different teams worked on em and never communicated and tbh I'd believe that

[fluid knot]

I mean half the tooltips are either wrong or awfully worded, its kinda obvious innit

[golden tartan]

Imho vet's OP feats dont even come into play much on the Bolter and Shredder

Cos like

[white sky]

You kill things so fast CK isn't replenishing much

And you aren't taking much damage for UF to matter

[golden tartan]

And volley fire damage is nice and all... excrpt ur already overkilling

Like bolter being able to 1 tap flamers in the body through a wall of poxwalkers is ???

[whole oxide]

at least on zealot/psyk you occasionnally have to dodge or take cover, on vet you literally just hold W

[golden tartan]

Its literally a semi auto no heat plasma gun

[white sky]

At least with the bolter you go "well yeah its a bolter"

[golden tartan]

Having to occasionally dodge doesnt make a weapon not OPAF xD

Especially since well

Zealot

Literally dodge/slide the class

[fluid knot]

Zealot needs to be kissing enemies to be survivable for the most part tho outside of mobility options lets be fair here

[golden tartan]

If u arent dodging and sliding as a zealot what are you even doing

[fluid knot]

Which requires you to actually have a brain no less

Vet is very much "switch brain off and go brrrr"

[golden tartan]

Fair

But lets not pretend that pressing the dodge key is hard

[fluid knot]

No, i agree its not, but thats not the case im making 🙂

[white sky]

Some of the numbers in this game really are insane

Why is UF 75 percent and why are the other 2 feats in the tier kinda fucking useless?

[fluid knot]

Whats frustrating about it, is particularly with weapon blessings, its simply a matter of changing values for the most part. If they did a ubiquitous sweep and changed all power blessings apart from very conditional ones to be 20% (Thrust could stay as is, as could Superiority) it could be done in a single fucking patch

Even UF could be nerfed to 30% just by changing a value

This shit isnt hard to do

[white sky]

You gotta remember Dorf

[golden tartan]

Hey now. Duck and Dive is hellafun

[white sky]

It isn't like FS works a majority of the year

[fluid knot]

It is, i concurr

[white sky]

It's fun but it's used on like, one whole build

[golden tartan]

Laspistol DnD DS is legit

[fluid knot]

Also Manstopper Kanty

[white sky]

Exactly, you use it specifically for the Las pistol.

[golden tartan]

I ran columnus IAG with it once too.

For the lulz

It worked

[white sky]

Personally I just hate having my stamina drained

Vet has bad stamina as is

[golden tartan]

DnD makes ur stamina good

:P

Simply dodge

[white sky]

Maybe

[golden tartan]

I still see people use camo btw

[white sky]

Camo is fine, it's just that 99 percent of people who use camo aren't fine lmao

[golden tartan]

The way I can tell is when I see a vet standing still with a bolter and none of thr shooters are dying

[white sky]

CE works if you use it for half seconds at a time instead of becoming a tree and rooting yourself in spot.

[golden tartan]

I too enjoy killing 70% of thr gunners a run as zealot while the vet gobbles up all the ammo

And eating all thr bullets cos the vet is just standing there

[white sky]

I firmly believe if a CE user is good at using CE, you'll never notice it

[golden tartan]

Ye he would just be indistinguishable from a bad Unwavering vet

Which is most vets

[white sky]

Concurred.

[golden tartan]

Good unwavering vets just enter a room full of shootersand blow through it in like 10 seconds while taking 0 damage

[white sky]

Walk into room, press F, walk up yo shooters who are lined up behind cover

Collateral through them

Because we all stopped using XII in like, January

[golden tartan]

Even the recon shreds through shooter walls

With volley fire and unwavering

[white sky]

Imo the recon is like, almost a good gun

It's definitely not as bad as people say it is

[whole oxide]

recon's fine as long as there's someone else on the team to manage elites, it does a great job on shooters/gunners

[golden tartan]

It has 3 main issues.

Unyielding damage is garbage.

Headshot multiplier is garbage.

You gotta have great aim to perform remotely close to the other lasgubs

[white sky]

That last parts easy imo

[golden tartan]

It does an ok job tbh.

The dps is there, the ammo cap is not

[white sky]

Just shoot things in the head

Ez

[golden tartan]

So basically you need to be very conservative of ur ammo

[whole oxide]

yeah, if it had 30% more ammo capacity, it'd be in a good balanced spot, not too strong but not bad

[golden tartan]

Like i once solo cleared one room of shooters and burnt through 2 clips

[white sky]

I want a better headahot multiplier on it, personally

[golden tartan]

Granted it was a nasty room of like 20-30 of them

[white sky]

Things already a beam

[golden tartan]

But thats still a LOT of ammo for 1 room

[white sky]

2 las packs for the accatran is like 200 shots or some shit iirc

[golden tartan]

Ye

[fluid knot]

also beyond dogshit at killing maniacs

[golden tartan]

Oh ye that too

[fluid knot]

If it didnt suck so hard at maniacs, it would be a good gun

But given they're the most threatening units, thats a problem

[white sky]

Not even most threatening

Most common non garbage enemy

So I guess if you have another vet with plasma it's fine lmao

[fluid knot]

Idk.. Flamers, netters, ragers, stuff that can easy wipe your team if they're not capable of dealing with them

Shooters are pretty threatening if not delt with, but they're easy to kill for the most part

[white sky]

I'll be real with you my single most hated enemies are fucking bombers

[fluid knot]

Yeah they're certainly up there

[cosmic sigil]

Bursters

[white sky]

PBs and Dogs are buggy as fuck, bit Bombers I think have killed me the most

[fluid knot]

The "divide an conquer" enemies are bombers

[white sky]

Or been the catalyst for it

[cosmic sigil]

Then the combo net + flames

[fluid knot]

Bursters alone aint so bad, but when that 5 man stack comes out the spawn door next to you without making a sound... yeah that sucks major ass

The fact they can merge together needs to be fixed

[white sky]

Tbf 5 of any special kinda fucking sucks

[fluid knot]

Idk, i dont mind 5 ragers really, thats fun, 5 maulers is threatening, but not as bad as some of the others

[white sky]

That's because they just run at you

[golden tartan]

Those arent specials tbf

[white sky]

5 flamers tho? Goodbye vision

[fluid knot]

Or muties...

[white sky]

5 bombers? The floor is lava

5 muties? Lol, lmao

[fluid knot]

Fuck i hate big mutie squads

[golden tartan]

I find trappers not that dangerous in swarms

[fluid knot]

Become a basket ball if you miss one damn dodge

[golden tartan]

5 muties is stupid

[white sky]

Anymore then 2 muties is like

A dumb as hell experience imo

[fluid knot]

It can be really funny, but they're a big contributor to wipes for sure

[golden tartan]

Yea

[fluid knot]

At least they're not absolute fucking pain like flamers an bombers

[white sky]

The worst enemy combo is imo mutie+fire

[golden tartan]

Bomber spam is the worst

[golden tartan]

Nah mutie burster

[fluid knot]

Its up there

[golden tartan]

Mutie burster is death

[white sky]

At least it's a quick death

[fluid knot]

I dont like mutie + poxies tbh, because they still hit you whilst you're grabbed which will fill your bar up with purple proper fast

[golden tartan]

Oh yea

Muties in a horde is an instant down

Cos they grab u

U get hit like 8 times

[white sky]

I don't like that bursters like dogs will curve mid air to kill you

[golden tartan]

And die before you get thrown

[white sky]

And then you're dead

[cosmic sigil]

Trappers in a horde equal instant death too

[white sky]

Nah, trappers are way easier to dodge

[golden tartan]

Trappers are also a lot easier to stop

[cosmic sigil]

Depends if you had something blocking your view.

[fluid knot]

Depends.. if they clip into one another its a problem, dodge one net an the second gets you regardless

[cosmic sigil]

And the net can pass through some textures too

[fluid knot]

Yeah... Like chainlink fences... and some walls.

[white sky]

Tbh the only time I have issues with trappers is when the game decides they can shoot through terrain

[cosmic sigil]

Yep

[regal jasper]

I think if you are last one not downed dogs and muties don’t pin you

[fluid knot]

They do

[golden tartan]

Or they aggro on an ally who drags the net into you

[regal jasper]

Traps just suck to suck idc

[white sky]

This shit infuriates me

[fluid knot]

Ngl.. dodging a mutie so that it grabs your teammates instead is hella funny to pull off

[white sky]

I'll barrel a motherfucker over this

[regal jasper]

Did that once with a hound mutie and trapper in the same game

[cosmic sigil]

Whenever I see a disabler in a horde my first action is to press f and either melee the shit out of them or juste magdump the shredder

[golden tartan]

Ew shredder

:P

[white sky]

Because I'm a Chad void strike user I just m2 through a horde and uh

Problem solved

[regal jasper]

Voidstrike is the best staff

[white sky]

Void strike and deimos is my favorite psyker set up

[fluid knot]

Ye i concurr, run Void for ages, started with Illisi when it was released, but Deimos H2 poke is so fuckin good

[white sky]

Deimos is just Saltz Rapier and I love Saltz Rapier

Idk, illisi feels like a powersword on crack to me

[long summit]

I personally hate Mutants and Bursters. If my team wipes 90% of the time a mutant was involved.

I don't entirely put it on bursters for making me upset. It's partly because of the "push and dodge back" tech against bursters that has become the primary way of dealing with them. So everyone just lets the burster get really close instead of just shooting from a distance and 50/50s the push potentially getting multiple people hit. Or people running up to push it when someone else opts to shoot it. The players themselves have made bursters an absolute nightmare enemy.

[white sky]

And I find powerswords boring

[fluid knot]

Thats very true with bursters, people are generally not very considerate of pushes. Thats why i dislike playing with Surge staff Psykers so much, (not always tho) they'll zap it just as its pushed causing it not to detonate

[long summit]

I swear to god, I've watched a vet look at a burster from a good distance, I thought he was gonna shoot it, but he didn't. Then I thought he was gonna push it...but he didn't...he just kinda paced around with his gun out and got hit with another teammate. I almost had a Joker moment.

[fluid knot]

[regal jasper]

There is a penance to melee kill a burster i think

[steel flame]

No way there is a penance more suicidal than the psyker penances

[regal jasper]

I swear there was

[fluid knot]

Haha, Brain go boom

[regal jasper]

Because i have it in my mind that i have to

Ok i looked it up

“Kill a burster with melee during a dash”

So i don’t think its for us

But idk

[whole oxide]

are you thinking of the zealot one to kill a mutant with dash?

[regal jasper]

The pox burster one

I might be going insane guys

[steel flame]

Well if it's zealot then it's not a suicidal penance, that's just a tuesday

[regal jasper]

Have i just been meleeing poxbursters

[fluid knot]

Yes

[regal jasper]

Fuck

Im so dumb

[long summit]

Question, have you ever been in a scenario where your whole team gets rekt, you're the last one alive as a Psyker, and you have to fight everything that's alive, including a Chaos Spawn? I want to know if I'm crazy. This isn't a realistic clutch scenario, right?

[white sky]

Depends on a lot

[fluid knot]

It can be done, its just very difficult

[white sky]

What difficulty?

How far are they?

[whole oxide]

psyker's pretty good for clutching, although, chaos spawn is tricky

[white sky]

Do you have a force sword for infinite dodges?

[fluid knot]

How much room do you have is the main factor in all honesty

[white sky]

Ye, if you're in a cramped hallway, probably not

Large hangar like on hourglass? Maybe.

[long summit]

I think it was Damnation. Just a normal one. But just from your responses already sounds like it's possible.

[whole oxide]

theoretically possible

[white sky]

Everything is circumstantial.

[fluid knot]

On normal Damn its possible yeah, i wouldnt bet on hiSTG tho

[whole oxide]

i wouldn't expect most people to be able to 1v1 chaos spawn, especially if there's other stuff rushing you

[fluid knot]

That would be uhhh... a challenge

[long summit]

Do you go into missions with loadouts setup to 1v1 bosses? Cause I don't even consider that situation.

[white sky]

If you stagger it mid air it instantly dies

Free hot tip for you

[fluid knot]

Sometimes, but generally more on Zealot than on Psyker

[white sky]

Idk how you'd do that as Psyker

[fluid knot]

Dunno if it would work, but maybe barrel?

[white sky]

That's my first thought but I'm far from a psyker main

[regal jasper]

I can do that on malice but nothing higher

[white sky]

I've been able to 1v1 a lot of bosses with psyker but that's because force sword has the most insane movement in the game

[regal jasper]

Brain burst the fucker to smithereens

[regal jasper]

That too

[long summit]

Are you memeing? Cause if not, how are you getting brain burst off on a Chaos Spawn that is actively running you down?

[fluid knot]

Lets be fair here though, the only bosses that are a threat are Spawn an DH, and the latter isnt really unless your team are morons

[regal jasper]

Im agile as fuck idk

[white sky]

Backpedal with FS, BB repeat

[long summit]

FS 😠 I see.

[white sky]

Unsure what melee you like

[long summit]

I've been messing around with different things.

[regal jasper]

The mission that got me lvl 30 a chaos spawn spawned in at the start of the mission and everyone goes down and i kill the thing

[fluid knot]

Nah, you'll have to tank it if its aggro'd on you, you're not killing it with brainburst scott-free

You might get a couple off in the situations you have room, but most of it, nah, you'll be fighting that sucker in melee

[white sky]

Which league character is that pfp? I can tell the skinline but I can't remember who tf it is

[regal jasper]

Its mtg

[white sky]

Not you

[regal jasper]

O

[white sky]

Teddy

[regal jasper]

Ah i see

[white sky]

I know absolutely nothing about mtg except for the Pinkerton incident

[regal jasper]

Lmao

[long summit]

I got mad earlier today when my whole team went down. And I'm sitting here blocking and swinging a Devil Claw. At a damn Heresy Chaos Spawn. When one teammate in voice is telling me to Psykinetic's Wrath to stagger it and someone else types, thag sword is bad. Thanks guys, super helpful.

[fluid knot]

The objective wouldnt be to kill it in a clutch situation anyway most likely, it would be to pull it far enough away that you can get back to your team for a res

[regal jasper]

Tezzerets just a reoccurring villain whom i love and own every card

[long summit]

Coven Lissandra, the one true queen.

[white sky]

Tyty

[regal jasper]

Bosswise ive killed ogryn solo spawn solo and beast solo

[white sky]

Was/am a Pantheon and Darius main, which should tell you everything you need to know.

[fluid knot]

Pro-tip, never even acknowledge backseat gamers, they're dead for a reason

[regal jasper]

Deamonhoats is a nogo tho

[white sky]

If I end up dying all I hit people with is an "I believe in you homie"

Even if I'm lying

[regal jasper]

I stay quiet unless they talk first

Buts usually they get a “oops”

[white sky]

I mean I type it

[regal jasper]

Or a “yall got this”

[white sky]

I don't normally use in game VC

[regal jasper]

Same

My push to talk was also my special attack button so if i want to empower my psyker sword my mic would turn on for a few seconds

So i switched special to mouse 4

[long summit]

Oh I get mad really easily. But not at things you would expect. Really small things make me livid and big things I can shrug off.

[regal jasper]

Me

[white sky]

My push to talk is caps lock, ive never played a game that binds caps lock to anything

[long summit]

Oops accidental reply, ignore tht.

[regal jasper]

I make people made by just existing

[long summit]

If somesome barrels me off the map, I'll be fine. If a Sniper shoots me EVER, I'm SEETHING.

[fluid knot]

Wanna see some matrix shit? https://youtu.be/foDJXhb8x84

[regal jasper]

I almost made my friend jump over the table to beat me in mtg today

[long summit]

Sure

[regal jasper]

I be spamming dodge

Never see me standin still

Unless im typing

I peck

[long summit]

That's hype. The most I've done is panic duck when a sniper tried to off me and managed to duck the shot. Funny enough, even though Sniper tilt me. No Lights, Sniper Gauntlet is possibly my favorite modifier.

[white sky]

Sniper gauntlet?

[fluid knot]

Its great fun for sure

[regal jasper]

I juke snipers all the time

[fluid knot]

Ye, Gauntlet + Vent Purge

[white sky]

Snipers are very easy to dodge until they aren't

In my experience anyway

[regal jasper]

Fuckers cant hit me point blank

[fluid knot]

Until the audio cue doesnt play or if they spawn behind you

[white sky]

Until they aren't, exactly lmao

[fluid knot]

Hear the noise but see no laser, 50/50 you make the dodge

[regal jasper]

I got like a 6th sense its scary

[fluid knot]

[white sky]

Or they fire way faster then they should

[fluid knot]

Yeah that too, delayed packet

[regal jasper]

75/25 with me im built different

[fluid knot]

Simply because of their inconsistency sniper res is BiS resistance perk for sure

[regal jasper]

My beloved tells me when to dodge

[fluid knot]

You're a malice player fam

[regal jasper]

I actually play blindfolded

[spice veldt]

bombers and snipers together are the most annoying because the nade stun will prevent you from dodging

[white sky]

Yall have monitors?

[regal jasper]

I just don’t want to make pros feel bad

[spice veldt]

in fact I'm chatting because I just died to that combo

[fluid knot]

Nah, i have a laptop

[white sky]

Me when the sniper shoots me out of the mutants hand

[fluid knot]

sec..

[white sky]

Well, there goes your second

[fluid knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1044892415716245504/1119411269724798997/Boomheadshot_1.mp4

[white sky]

Yup

[regal jasper]

I coulda dodged it

Opps never catch me lackin

[long summit]

But tbh, Snipers don't hit me to often. I remember a Fighting Game player say something like "If you really hate a matchup, you know EVERYTHING about it." I apply that to every game. If I hate it, I must learn everything about it.

[regal jasper]

Whats funny is that if i ever join a game with yall ill 100% be first down

I dodge good and kill bosses ok

Thats about it

My weapons are probably shit

[white sky]

The thing about DT is that even if you have all your skills mechanically downpat sometimes it'll just fuck you

[long summit]

Wow, that's an Alley-Oop if I've ever seen one. Hit 'em with the Duck Hunt.

[white sky]

PBs and Dogs curving mid air, snipers firing off interval with the noise

[fluid knot]

Legit, man gets fuckin domed

Nurgle bestows some mad talent into those snipers, almost worth the eternal damnation

[fluid knot]

Netters and bursters clipping into one another so you can only deal with one an get fucked by the others

[regal jasper]

Holy shit

I just realized i killed my teammate earlier

[long summit]

TRUE! But that's ok. Sometimes you get caught slackin and get pinned by a dog or netted. And you think, "This is fine my team will help me." And then suddenly the ground is on fire...

[white sky]

Yeah, sometimes DT says no

[regal jasper]

I dodged a sniper shot and my teammate was a casualty

[white sky]

Normally when I go down I end up fully dying lately

[regal jasper]

Oops

[white sky]

Even if it's first wound

Which I take as meaning I only go down in extremely fucked up situations

[fluid knot]

That is usually the case after a large amount of experience, dont make bad calls often, but when you do, they're catastrophic

[white sky]

Yeah, no other way to put it really

[fluid knot]

All or nothing baby

[long summit]

Most of my downs aren't from Bosses, Elites, or Specials. It's always the damn Horde(+Ragers)! It's why I was in gameplay help asking about melee combat.

I believe I should be able to fight a seemingly infinite amount of horde endlessly unscathed. That's why starting yesterday, I'm gonna go to the Meat Grinder everyday, spawn a bunch of horde, and practice in the hyperbolic time chamber until I am Neo.

[fluid knot]

Just bear in mind the grinder has a lot of inconsistencies compared to the live game

Honestly, you'd be better off doing it in Damnation

[long summit]

Maybe, but if I can do it in the meat grinder, I know I will be better off in the missions.

[fluid knot]

Aye, but grinder doesnt throw stuff at you from all angles and randomise the spawns, honestly, just take the plunge, you'll be all the better for it

[blissful kestrel]

Is there a reason you don't want to practice in missions? You will improve faster practicing in missions than in the meat grinder.

[white sky]

Grinder is "in a vacuum" and everything works in a vacuum

Outside of a vacuum where there's actually shit going on makes or breaks some stuff

[long summit]

I already walk around like I'm RP'ing as a Psyker in Perils of the Warp. Looking over my shoulder constantly cause I swear if I put my back to a corner somehow an enemy will still spawn behind me.

[long summit]

I do practice in missions. Consider what I said a warm-up. FPS players do aim labs, I go to the meat grinder lol.

[spice veldt]

for me, I build up habits significantly faster if I can repeat them in quick succession and for a long time, such as doing it in the meat grinder or some organized space

[hidden crystal]

Caps Lock is frequently walk/run toggle in games, I find.

[worn heron]

What the Crusher hears as I approach w a Peril of the Warp explosion imminent

[feral verge]

2901

4564

[plucky flax]

Mobs attack a lot faster in grinder cos of no ping.

[fervent trench]

what are some good maps to get the cliffhanger penance?

and do they have to be pushed off using the special or shoves are fine?

[bleak tulip]

chasm logistratum has a ledge really early into the levl

runs parallel with the big bridge you're walking over

any way is fine, use ult and start shoving them until it pops up

[lyric burrow]

Hab dreyko ending has a pipe you run along they spawn enemies on that works too

[bleak tulip]

https://youtu.be/QUJF9U4E7Sg?t=1404 yeah here's a video of that one

https://youtu.be/8cU_jq3IAis

[hidden crystal]

I think that's where I got it. The ending of Vigil Station Oblivium's also got some places that wouldn't be bad if you can angle your attack to push people off bridges.

[zealous sierra]

Perk for Voidstrike?

[safe crystal]

Flak unarmoured

[normal matrix]

Curious about something, to my understanding warp resistance is the amount of peril you gen doing certain psykery things like using the staff or charging a force sword, but does it affect BB at all?

[safe crystal]

It does, but while you're BB'ing, none of your weapons are active. The only source of warp resist you can get for BB specifically is from inner tranquility in tier 2 talents

Which means you essentially give up the ability to one shot ragers and flamers on damnation because you cant run that AND warp unleashed

[short vessel]

Is Collateral important on this?

I don't even know what it does tbh

[safe crystal]

Collateral is stagger and suppression. Its not too important, as long as its above 50

[normal matrix]

Thats fine for me, im a heresy player anyway

[strong gulch]

I really dislike how some players go about a match just for the scoreboard.

Running ahead to get the most kills or damage. Refusing to heal and then getting dropped.

If that player is criticized, they'll retort with how the scoreboard disagrees.

[safe crystal]

On heresy, you need to run either warp battery on 5th row and have 6 stacks of warp charges, or warp unleashed and have 4 charges to get the rager oneshot

Wait, thats poorly worded

IF you want to hit the breakpoints*

You dont necessarily have to

[normal matrix]

Meh, i mostly use BB to stagger for the homies

Or for like, snipers, shooters, etc

[safe crystal]

Yep, thats fine

Its more relevant if you're in a situation where you need to clutch as well

[normal matrix]

Very true, though we're already in trouble if im the one clutching

[hidden crystal]

Oh, the scoreboard's weighting is absolute arse.

It gives people loads of points for operating machinery (which, yes, is important, but protecting team mates while they do so is just as much), actually seems to give people credit for how long they carry a deployable (even if it would have been really useful before the end), by default the rescued/revived operatives doesn't work, it doesn't track how many times you go down, decides you wasted ammo even if you pinged it several times and no one took it so you decided someone might as well take it...

Big bonuses for doing lots of boss damage, even though you were the one trying to keep the horde back at the same time so the others didn't have to worry about that...

[steel flame]

I just turn off points

[hidden crystal]

Oh yes, being the plasteel goblin also nets you loads of points, even if it means you ran off several times and had to be rescued when you got pox hounded.

[steel flame]

Actually I turn almost all the fluff stats off

[normal matrix]

Likewise

[hidden crystal]

Or spent ages wasting time checking every corner while the psykers' warp charges were bleeding away while you wouldn't get in the lift...

[normal matrix]

Damage taken, healing used, specials killed, boss damage, downs, deaths
Those are the ones i keep on my board

[steel flame]

I keep the damage and kill stats to judge weapon effectiveness and damage taken

And that's it

[hidden crystal]

I have it because it's somewhat useful for assessing my own performance, but the score weighting is awful and I believe is actually detrimental to good gameplay.

[normal matrix]

Green circle addicts are definitely not great

[strong gulch]

Felt y'all.

I do get that different people have different drives and motivations. For some it's big pp damage which isn't inherently a problem.

But toxic is going to toxic.

[steel flame]

half the time i only take the scoreboard as a suggestion because i know its stats arent accurate

[strong gulch]

I will fully admit that I'm a fecking magpie and want all of the shiny loots, but I make sure I'm either with someone or I'm able to hand specials.

If I'm having a bad session, I won't run off.

[steel flame]

99% of the time the kill count mod which i know is accurate never lines up with the scoreboard mod

[hidden crystal]

Did I get the most kills in some category? Quite possibly, but for the most part what that means is not that I was the most skilled, but that my build was the most optimised for that type of enemy.

[safe crystal]

The only times i take a screenshot of the scoreboard is if one of my premades specifically ask for one, or if i did something cool

[fossil lagoon]

worth upgrading to orange ? or is the damage + crit dumped too much ?

[hidden crystal]

That's really the sign of working well as a team - that you do the jobs that need doing.

[steel flame]

roll for better

[safe crystal]

Like this, about half an hour ago, when i was in a perpetual state of clutch for 10 minutes before i finally got got

[crystal jolt]

bruh

[safe crystal]

Everyone played really well, hi5shock just do be like that sometimes

[crystal jolt]

i assume they joined late

[safe crystal]

They joined at the end when someone left

Yes

[steel flame]

if there are only 2 weapons in the game you dont want to settle for its the surge staff and the purgatus staff, they have very few blessings in their pool so trying to roll a great one is alot easier than everything else in the game.

[crystal jolt]

you say that as you did a lot of the heavy lifting

[safe crystal]

I was in a clutch situation for 10 minutes

Of course my score skyrockets

[crystal jolt]

52 + 58 disablers+specials

[safe crystal]

Half of those were in those 10 minutes

[crystal jolt]

yeesh

[strong gulch]

Sounds like that was 10 minutes of cardio.

[steel flame]

he staggered 0 enemies: trash player.

[safe crystal]

I've been figured out

Its true

[crystal jolt]

infinite dodge really coming through

just dodge to the finish line

[steel flame]

not even sure why he bothered to include staggered enemies if he couldnt bother to make that catagory work

as far as i rememeber its never worked

[crystal jolt]

he included attacks blocked just to shut up shield ogryns.

[safe crystal]

Honestly, everything went smoothly in that run until we hit that area just before the smelter room. Then a bonbon shows up with his horde, the large room with the pillars always had 3 snipers in it no matter how many we killed, and AI director sent non-stop disablers at us

[steel flame]

it do be like that sometimes

[hidden crystal]

My main build of late is 111113, Illisi (Slaughterer/Deflector), MG12 (Ghost/Between the Eyes), Toughness/Stamina/Wound Curios with a mix of mostly Toughness Regen, Stamina Regen, Gunner and Sniper resist. (I may eventually graduate from bringing the wound Curio, but that will also require finding a replacement for it that hasn't got terrible perks).

That means that, dependent on the rest of the team loadout, I might take on the job of chopping hordes to bits... or if there's already a lot of good horde control or the other players have come with a lot of short range, then I'll go to town on headshotting shooters - which will probably mean my kill count will take a dive, but me filling the role the team needs me to fill is way better than me trying to be the best overall.

[void arch]

Are you just talking to yourself?

[spice veldt]

they're talking about darktide which is a pretty weird thing to do

[hidden crystal]

I'm replying to what I last said in the conversation so that it's clear that it's a continuation of that earlier point rather than it being lost several pages up.

[strong gulch]

Made sense to me.

[ornate hamlet]

Based continuity enjoyer

[fresh reef]

Came back to game after a couple months. Max 80/80 mobility/defense mk5 dueling sword still feels as busted as ever lol

[ornate hamlet]

Did you play when the deimos was a thing?

[fresh reef]

Ya

Deimos is funny but it isn't really my cup of tea

[hidden crystal]

Well, my general point is trying to be that no one person's kill count matters, and I really wish the scoreboard mod had scoring that was weighted far more towards working efficiently as a unit than on individual kill rates.

[harsh urchin]

yeah but your opinion is literally just a random person's opinion lol

[hidden crystal]

Bonus points for freeing team mates from disablers, negative points for blowing up Poxbursters in your teammate's faces.

[harsh urchin]

the whole reason people want the scoreboard is to see their own performance

[bleak tulip]

is it normal that HISG just kinda spawns two chaos spawns sometimes or did I miss something

[harsh urchin]

based on like different weapons/builds/etc

i literally dont care how i save people and stuff

i just want to see if weapon X is performing better than weapon Y

[safe crystal]

Hab Dreyko? It has 2 spawn points for monstrosities at the first medicae

[bleak tulip]

smelter

[safe crystal]

Probably a similar kind of a deal somewhere in the map

[hidden crystal]

And it fails badly at being doing that, because it encourages a lot of people to compete.

[steel flame]

im sorry but your opinion about a random person's opinion is literally just a random person's opinion

[hidden crystal]

I'm sure a lot of the times I've had poxbursters blown up in my face it's because the person gets a fizzy feeling from seeing they got the most special kills.

[steel flame]

That's just dumb

Sounds more like an accident to me

[harsh urchin]

correct

but that's what I personally use scoreboard for

and that's what I know a bunch of other people use it for

tell me now

what do you use the scoreboard mod for

is it to see your teamplay

[steel flame]

It's not very hard to blow them up without seeing they are there or usually not seeing that another player is in blast radius. I don't find assuming malevolent intent to be very healthy

[harsh urchin]

the 4 stats that I would say most players care about is dmg, boss dmg, specials killed and trash killed

they're meaningless stats, but I would say most people who get the mod just care about those

anyways @steel flame would love to hear your answer on this

what stats matter to you on the scoreboard

[hidden crystal]

On one occasion, when I told the player to stop doing it, they span me some absolute BS about "Oh, but I'd precharged the Brain Burst, and I couldn't possibly cancel it when you ran in"... then, after I told them that I'm also playing a psyker and I know it's possible to just let go of the mouse button, proceeded to do it twice more in the same game in even more preposterous circumstances.

[upper galleon]

what the shieldgryns doing?

[hidden crystal]

And I hadn't just ran in, I'd been in front of him for a long time and was leaving myself enough space from the spawn door to get clear of the blast, so he would have had to have had the situational awareness of a house brick.

[hidden crystal]

This does not explain why the scoreboard mod thinks it's a good idea to apply arbitrary and poorly weighted "total scores" that, if it were purely about comparing your loadouts, are useless.

[harsh urchin]

ya I think the total scores are completely useless

you're right on that one

[hidden crystal]

OMG, that person picked up most plasteel and pressed most buttons, so we're going to give them MVP. Very useful metric for comparing their load out.

That kind of thing should have been left out, because competing with the other players frequently does just promote bad teamwork.

[strong gulch]

No one was saying that there's something wrong with having a scoreboard.

However, some of us were critiquing score weighing and how some player use it as a tool to engage in garbage behavior.

If you use the board to see your, as an individual's, damage and you find that useful and meaningful, cool.

But team effectiveness seems additive to me.

[white sky]

There is no I in team but there is a me

[harsh urchin]

with the way some of my games have been going

it's basically just me + 3 bots

except the bots suck up the medicae+ammo

and if they pickup an ammo/med pack, we treat that as being destroyed

and these bots are so bad they die to 4 poxwalkers

[upper galleon]

yee it is very nice to see , yes total score is useless but if your vet isn't killing shooters/specials+ low offense score

it's becomes a bit obvious

like i won't flame people

[spice veldt]

there's a scoreboard mod for seeing how many ranged lessers you kill

i aim to have that number be as high as possible

[hidden crystal]

If you're putting in some kind of scoring weighting - stuff like carrying out revives, not being downed or disabled, not taking all the ammo when other players are on red - these things are good things to promote with your scoring, rather than "Lol, I carried this medipack for 20 minutes. Nobody needed it, right?"

[spice veldt]

and i'm pretty sure that the settings that you activate for your scoreboard affect how the score is weighted

[lunar hollow]

the only times i have actually known people are using scoreboard is when people go "oh man josho you did a lot of damage"

beyond that most stupid behaviors are explainable by people being pub players

and that's mostly just offensive score

[hidden crystal]

I'm not sure about that, but even if true, they could still have picked way, way better default weightings.

[upper galleon]

it's a free mod

[lunar hollow]

the only time the other options have been brought to my attention is someone im in a premade with joking about most enemies staggered or something

[spice veldt]

they could've done better yeah

[upper galleon]

tbh they probably just put whatever weightings they thought of

[spice veldt]

but i don't expect them to have some statistical knowledge or care about that sort of stuff

[upper galleon]

i doubt they pulled out some calculus

[spice veldt]

sure they could do better and mildly reduce some toxic behavior

but i think that discussion is moot unless you are going to discuss the exact numbers and weighting

[lunar hollow]

i think any kind of system that tries to weigh things like "attacks blocked" or "enemies staggered" or "medpack carry length" is going to add in weird, useless numbers. generally speaking the only thing that matters is damage, kills, ammo used, ammo wasted, and sometimes damage taken/medicaes used (if someone is being egregious about it)

and that's like 99% of what people look at anyways

[hidden crystal]

"attacks blocked"
Translation: This player has a Deflector Force Sword or Slab Shield

[white sky]

They literally could've just kept the VT2 scoreboard at this point

[ornate hamlet]

That's you

[lunar hollow]

no

that's this guy named "biff"

in a pub game

he said that to me. it made me feel cool

[ornate hamlet]

Your real name

Fake news

[upper galleon]

i loved playing waystalker in vt2 but i always got flamed and accused of stuff

like idk, i always tried sticking with the group and using my ult to snipe specials in weird spots

[ornate hamlet]

Waystalker sleepy mode

[lunar hollow]

ok well he said "lol kronk your damage"

but if i said kronk people probably wouldnt know who im talking about

so u know

but anyways the scoreboard has a ton of useless information and yes vt2 did it better

[ornate hamlet]

I don't

[white sky]

Shade best kerillian class ngl

[lunar hollow]

but fatshark made the decision to not include it i guess because they think assholes will stop being assholes

(which isnt the case most of the time)

[hidden crystal]

How many times have you been told to pull the lever?

[lunar hollow]

a handful at this point

[white sky]

Tbh I really assume they didn't include it for thr same reason they didn't keep blocking in when you typed in chat

Incompetence

[lunar hollow]

there was this guy named john hinckley jr

in a pub match

and i said "wilkes boothe better john"

[spice veldt]

here are two scoreboards where our scores are significantly different #zealot-class message, with the main difference being the stats we have active

[lunar hollow]

and he said "i love you for that brute"

"im going to find you the biggest lever to pull"

[white sky]

This is why I don't weigh scoreboards that heavily, personally

[spice veldt]

i myself don't care about the summary scores; and I only have them on my scoreboard to separate each cateogry

[white sky]

The only time I get egotistical about em is when I'm black out drunk and I have the yellow numbers

[spice veldt]

i love having the highest ranged lessers killed

[lunar hollow]

i print out every scoreboard where i get the most damage and kills and hang them on my wall

[white sky]

That's because you need validation

[lunar hollow]

shut the fuck up

god

[white sky]

🙂

[ornate hamlet]

Validation

[steel flame]

My man

[lilac tapir]

Are these two blessings a good combo on Autoguns? Too many melks on Psyker and trying to build my Vet blessing pool.

[hidden crystal]

In my opinion, no.

[lilac tapir]

Thanks. Also I just logged into the game to check and I already have Rank 4 PS on Autoguns, so won't be spending my melks on this one 🙂

[hidden crystal]

It only affects a couple of shots at most (so doesn't make much difference against that many targets), and getting weak spot hits with your second and third shots is not going to be easily reliable.

[lilac tapir]

makes sense

[hidden crystal]

I can only really see Sustained Fire being useful if it specifically tips you over a breakpoint on certain light enemies so that you can deal with them in one less shot, but that's going to be really dependent on the base weapon stats, range to the target, using it more than once has the question of when a salvo counts as resetting...

[bleak tulip]

[hidden crystal]

IMO, the more interesting things on the Infantry Autoguns: Dumdum, DeathSpitter and Fire Frenzy can be reasonably reliably stacked for damage bonuses, Hit and Run can make you pretty invulnerable in a short range fight (particularly if you're intending to ultimately use it on a Vet, with their ult and certain traits), Run and Gun does give you new capabilities (and, unlike with staves, being limited to your primary fire is less of a deal)

Although people's opinions do vary on Run and Gun a lot.

[steel flame]

Now that's one sexy fire trauma if I ever seen one

[bleak tulip]

shame about the blessings

I guess imma be a left clicker

also I suppose swap crit chance for flak?

[steel flame]

Why? Put Blazing Spirit 3 on there over barrage, 5% crit chance on there and join the fire trauma wizard gang

[bleak tulip]

hmm I did just melk me a blazing spirit 3

I was under the impression trauma doesnt crit on circle

[steel flame]

What no, that's dumb, who said that

[bleak tulip]

I just assumed

never did use trauma much, by the time it wasnt bad I kinda quit

[steel flame]

Surge blessing doesn't proc on m2 on crits, but m2 crits just fine

[bleak tulip]

cool

well I guess I know what im doin

[steel flame]

Do you know how to quell cancel?

[bleak tulip]

yes

[steel flame]

Well shit you might as well be a fire wizard already

[bleak tulip]

qq

[steel flame]

Personally I use 311222. You can set the whole horde on fire at range with 6 stacks SB, press f with 4 stacks and delete the horde before it ever reaches you. Very satisfying

[steel flame]

That's rough buddy

[bleak tulip]

keeping the unarmoured? seems kinda weird in a way?

wouldnt I wanna reroll unarmoured to flak or something

1% crit chance is nice and all but yknow

[plucky flax]

Go flak

[steel flame]

Eh go flak if you want then

[steel flame]

4% should be enough

[lyric burrow]

If i have a 12 core 24 thread cpu how many worker threads should i have

It would be like 10 right

[bleak tulip]

that went pretty well I guess

[fluid knot]

Where do you people find these absolute potates

[bleak tulip]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fluid knot]

Ahh tourists

[bleak tulip]

I mean I just hit quick play

when my people arent here

so I get tourists

[fluid knot]

Sounds abeet right lel

[bleak tulip]

first damnation run with trauma went pretty okay I guess lol

I am now a believer

this is stupid

[steel flame]

Fire trauma go brrrrr baby

Another successful conversion

[bleak tulip]

now what lmfao

no idea what to spend my plasteel on now

[steel flame]

Now make a fire void

[fluid knot]

Yeah that, an then save it for future content

[bleak tulip]

time to wait for melk

I coulda had the blessing yesterday but I didnt get it

minor regerts

[strong gulch]

I am potato today. 🥔

[spice veldt]

hi potato today. 🥔

[steel flame]

🥔

[primal blade]

hey

getting back into the game

what sword would you guys recommend for a voidstrike staff ? pairing

[harsh urchin]

Would recommend sticking with the force swords since theyre pretty overtuned rn

[primal blade]

which one though ?
deimos , obscurus , illisi

[harsh urchin]

Illisi if you want to be stronger against horde, deimos if you want to have better single target; like mutants, etc

[primal blade]

Illisi it is then

what is the current stance on staves btw ?

[fluid knot]

Deimos kills horde fine tho

The differences between the two in their respective abilities isnt massive

[strong gulch]

potato today 🥔

[lyric burrow]

Trauma/purg best void/surge good but weaker

Warp flurry goes on everything

[primal blade]

purgatos was the fire one right ?

also did they remove the warp power attack on force swords

[lyric burrow]

Wym

Like the charge attack?

Those are on all of them although illisis doesnt get stuck

[bleak tulip]

basically inverse of what it was, surge is arguably the only kinda bad one, trauma is really good, purg is really good void is fine

[primal blade]

there used to be an attack where the sword would start glowing and you would slam into the enemy

[lyric burrow]

They still have those

Illisis just cleaves

Deimos and obscurus still have the old ones

[bleak tulip]

illisi is basically the power sword we always wanted

[lyric burrow]

Although deimos heavy 2 is better than the special anyway

[primal blade]

so what was the input for that attack or was it just the regular heavy

[lyric burrow]

The charge is whatever you have weapon special set to

For me its a side Mouse button on my thumb

For heavy 2 its just any move into heavy attack on deimos

Itll be a big stab

[primal blade]

ah there we go

and now the illisi yea that that feels nice now that i remember

i rebound it to ALT last time i played

so what feats would ya'll recommend in the current 'meta' ?

back when the game first came out i usually did horde clear with some brain burst based eliminations

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/806542453582200892.webp?size=32&name=Wright_Think&quality=lossless

[lyric burrow]

For meta quiettude/warp unleashed/communion or aura. shield or deflection/warp battery/barrage or ascendant blaze

Depends slightly on how you play

i personally run 3/1/1/2(sometimes 1)/1/3

[manic flint]

i cannot belive this is not built in yet

[harsh urchin]

devs are on vacation for 2 more months

cuz they're swedish

[primal blade]

2/1/1/3 was what i was running when the game launched (didn't really level up further)

but then i also sometimes ran 2/1/1/1 and i think that was what i settled on before i paused playing

[spice veldt]

personally, I run 312233 with trauma + illisi, though i've been running warp absorption nowadays

[primal blade]

honestly even on launch i loved just getting into a swarm

and swinging away

force staff is there for when i really have to use it in my case

otherwise its the righteous melee xp

[wet jacinth]

For the Emperor!

explodes

hardly kills the horde

[primal blade]

playing psyker like unchained sienna is stupid fun

[ornate hamlet]

312213 is my gamer method

I pair it with the most dangerous warp weapon

[long summit]

Fought for my life, and for the first time in a while, felt like I got rewarded for it and actually won.

[ornate hamlet]

Gun.

The nurglings fought the law and the law won

[manic flint]

How do you deal with Basic ranged gunners if you are using the purgatus staff

[spice veldt]

hope that it's a map section where you can just run at ranged enemies and melee/purg them

[manic flint]

if not hide?

[ornate hamlet]

Brain burst them

[spice veldt]

you get ranged i-frames during dodges/slides which helps with doing that

but if that's risky and you're not comfortable with that, you just kinda have to take it slow with what sterling said

[long summit]

Tell me about these i-frames. Every time I try to slide when being shot I get perforated, unless it's a sniper then he misses.

[spice veldt]

probably ping

you'll have to do it a bit earlier than you expect, and there's also a short transition time before you actually enter a dodge when you input a crouch

[long summit]

That's probably what it is. I'm being hyperbolic when I say everytime, but it felt inconsistent.

[uncut pulsar]

[spice veldt]

yeah especially when snipers give you like a 300ms window to dodge when their audio cue plays

i don't run any sniper res and just accept my death when it comes

[steel flame]

amen

[steel flame]

if you cant close the distance with cover then you gotta poke em with BB till you have the window to close the distance

or pray your teamates can aim

[manic flint]

fair

[humble urchin]

That doesn't seem like 5% difference

Anyone else study about this blessing?

No warp charge, no warp unleashed feat.

[lunar hollow]

its 5% per stack

at 20/40/60/80 peril

[humble urchin]

ah, so it's 20% in total, make sense

This is actually a decent blessing for my playstyle. caz I usually play with flame staff + a force sword, flame for hordes and sword for tough enemies, when I switch to the sword I usually still have relatively high peril from my flame staff, if I do the charge it's gonna push to 60% or 80% peril, that's 15-20% free damage for my next hit.

What's the other meta blessing for deimos force sword? besides deflector

[slow raven]

slaughterer probably

[lyric burrow]

Ye slaughterer

Lets it horde clear with lights

[humble urchin]

Sounds good, will try the slaughter when I got one lol

[ornate hamlet]

Slaughterer is the one you definitely want to have whenever possible

[fluid knot]

Another one of those blessings that needs to be hit with the nerf bat

[restive slate]

Ryken did a pretty good theory balancing for blessings on his latest vid

[near wyvern]

@humble urchin power of the unstable power Deimos

https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10?start=35

[cold geode]

thanks emperor, i guess?

[bleak tulip]

keep it for when they let us reroll one stat to 100%

any day now

[cold geode]

NEXT WEEK

[grizzled iris]

Quickly! Up his copium doze! We are losing him!!

Arcotash!! Where is the copium?!

[bleak tulip]

THEYRE GONNA PATCH IT IN BRO

but unironically the game has improved, I just happened to not play the game for like 6 months

so I got it all at once

[ornate hamlet]

need advice, what should i reroll for this weapon?

[regal jasper]

Same

I started playing when it was first put on game pass

Then after like a month not being able to play ever i stopped for a bit

Was really sad one week recently regot it and now im fucking killing it

[fluid knot]

Crit hit for Flak damage an you're good mate

[bleak tulip]

always flak, I would even consider rolling melee crit damage away for it because maniac isnt half bad but dont take my word as gospel

my tastes are unconventional

getting more sword damage on muties is clutch sometimes

[fluid knot]

Absolutely you would roll off crit

Crit damage is a dogwater perk

[bleak tulip]

hey at least its the best time to start playing I guess

there actually is a fair few maps now

[ornate hamlet]

good sword so far?

[fluid knot]

Decent enough provided you get rid of the crit damage ye

[bleak tulip]

is heavy 2 higher damage or something or why do you combo into it

havent used it much so I realize I dont actually know if heavy 1 is a stab too

[fluid knot]

Its not, its a swing, an H2 has ridiculous single target damage

You can kill a mutie in a single stab

[golden tartan]

Mhm

L1 is also a high damage single target attack btw

It one taps flamers in the head

[bleak tulip]

yknow I did like that about obscurus, I should just run the pokey sword a bit today especially since I basically only play trash clear sticks on 5

I got reasonably well at clicking on heads out of necessity with obs, to the point where I dont really use illisi to its fullest now, I fall back to mashing left click sometimes or just regular heavies instead of charging

hasnt quite become second nature to hit the go button on it every swing yet

[maiden knoll]

Surge is bad? Is that why it's so popular on hi int shock?

[manic flint]

almost 30 what do i do once i hit 30?

[bleak tulip]

"surge is arguably the only kinda bad one"

"SURGE IS BAD HUH?"

you can use every stick

theyre all generally viable

[maiden knoll]

Level ogryn

[bleak tulip]

but I would argue surge is the worst of them right now

[manic flint]

i do need a next character lol

[bleak tulip]

and Ive heard others make that same argument

surge just doesnt do the damage something like trauma does

and that is a fact

and trauma still does plenty of CC

so there really isnt a massive reason to use it imo

but Ive been a surge hater since day 1 so feel free to ignore my opinion and just use what you think is fun man

[fluid knot]

Surge dont do enough damage, breaks the rythum of a good team and relies on you being very competant at melee to really survive, also given it no longer seems to reliably stun muties, a lot of its utility died in the last patch

[ornate hamlet]

advice on rolls?

[fluid knot]

Roll Crit Chance instead of Groaner/Poxwalker and Warp Flurry over Terrifying Barrage, if you have Warp Flurry

[bleak tulip]

someone should probably pin a message that just says "STOP USING TERRIFYING BARRAGE ITS BAD"

every staff you'd think you want it on already staggers everything around it anyway, nobody I know of has ever felt a noticable difference with that blessing on

[analog solstice]

I heard it doesnt even work as intended

Doesn’t do anything at all unless i’ve been baited

[bleak tulip]

I dont even know if warp flurry is the right choice, unless you actually charge right click now?

its not like its suddenly gonna do damage

[steel egret]

Never valued it as it has always been trash in my eyes.

There is always something better

[fluid knot]

What else are you gonna put on there?

Might as well have faster charge rate given most of the other blessings are shit

[bleak tulip]

Ive seen some people actually run focused channeling for challenge runs but yeah there isnt anything else better really

it just seems weird since you dont even charge it much

[manic flint]

30!

so whats the build i should play

[crude dove]

The one you have fun with

[fossil lagoon]

3/1/1/1/1/3

[primal blade]

Aside from slaughterer what are recommended blessings for illisi force sword

And side from the blessing that goes on every Staff what would y'all recommend for the void strike ?

I've barely gotten back into the game and I've already been blowing up and hacking away at hordes

[safe crystal]

For Illisi, unstable power makes gaining slaughterer stacks easier, since its tied to your peril and its almost always active for at least 5% power boost. It goes up to 20% extra power, gaining a stack of 5% at 20/40/60/80 peril. Deflector makes diving enemies or repositioning safer. Both of these are good options to pair along with slaughterer

With voidstrike, you can go the usual infinite spam with flak/unarmoured + warp flurry/transfer peril. This is fairly simple to use, just charge to full and aim for the head.

Another thing you can go with voidstrike is crit chance/flak + surge/blazing spirit/warp nexus, and play around 80 peril at all times to exploit the extra crit chance. Harder to use for about the same/slightly worse effectiveness.

[steel flame]

Wish I'd rolled that. Be perfect as my pitching machine 3.0 m1 spam surge. Alas

[rich rose]

Still chasing unstable power (sigh)

[primal blade]

Sounds pretty good to me

Illisi
Deflector
Slaughterer
Definitely sounds fun since I use the peril based block already

Voidstrike sounds pretty good too

The harder part will be getting enough blessings

And getting the good rng cuz for some reason fatshark won't let us just edit our weapons completely

[grizzled iris]

There are no set "Builds" for psyker it is more free in you pick what you want and benefit from.

Most common feat choices are.
5: 3
10: 1
15: 1
20: 1 or 2
25: 1 2 or 3 depending on staff and specialisation
30: 3

Me personally i generally run
3-1-1-2-1-3

But I'm a trauma user so

[grizzled iris]

Trauma staff superiority!

[primal blade]

trauma staff is nice but

im a sucker for beefy explosions

if i can cast explosion in that general direction

i WILL cast explosion in that general direction

i play psyker more close range anyways i've seen so many guides recommend mid to long range

but i just can't resist getting into melee with psykinetic

the warp is calling and i am goddamn answerin !

[grizzled iris]

So go trauma

Be the master of booms

[primal blade]

trauma and voidstrike are the only real explosive staffs

voidstrike goes boom like a shaped charge

while trauma goes boom like a grenade

if i could take both i would take both tbh

[primal blade]

honestly zealots are my friends xp

sharpshooters usually nabbed my brain burst target

but zealots ? they got their fancy sword i got my fancy sword

and we both have a horde in front of us

[tender osprey]

just checking in to make sure but brittleness is shared between the team, rending is just for yourself. right?

[safe crystal]

Yes

[tender osprey]

im just sad about elites

but better than like, some other bullshit ig.

[whole oxide]

elites perk is under-rated IMO, yes 10 < 25, but it applies to everything

[grizzled iris]

Most elites are flak or unarmoured tho

[whole oxide]

what elites are unarmoured?

[safe crystal]

Dreg gunners,dreg shotgunners

[whole oxide]

they die pretty easy though, trading 15% damage on them for gaining 10% on maniacs, unyielding, carapace, isn't as bad a trade as people make out

not saying its obviously better, but, it's not obviously worse either

[grizzled iris]

Yes, that 36 extra dmg on maniacs and unyielding is too good to overlook. We will hit so many breakpoints with that

[whole oxide]

i mean, the same argument can be made for the +15% you're gaining by taking a 25% perk instead of 10%

[grizzled iris]

There is a difference if that 25% allows you to hit a breakpoint while the 10% doesn't allow you to hit any breakpoint on any of the targets

But hey, my experience and knowledge means nothing compared to yours so I'm not gonna waste any time trying to argue anything because no matter what I say it won't change anything ^^ I've said my peace

[whole oxide]

and is anyone actually doing that calculation? or do they just "feel" it to be true?

[steel egret]

General psyker chat is mix of feel and calculation

We do have all the numbers by now that we would want

[grizzled iris]

I got 1600 hours of gameplay time and around 300 hours of outside of game calculations on this game, I used to make spreadsheets and tier lists before they decided to give us Illisi and Deimos which made all other weapons redundant but yes. It is a feeling

[cosmic sigil]

we want pinning fire on a staff yeah

[whole oxide]

most of the time with a Trauma staff, you aren't making decisions around breakpoints anyway, you're throwing out CC and generally damaging an area

[grizzled iris]

https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

Here you go, knock yourself out

[safe crystal]

Unarmoured is ran on trauma to hit the dreg bruiser breakpoint. Its not an elite, so elites does nothing for that. Flak is ran to get a breakpoint for scab bruiser, not necessary because you hit it with warp charges, but its still neat.

[grizzled iris]

I've already spent 300 hours on that site

[steel egret]

Best we can do is faster reload speed or terrifying barrage.

[grizzled iris]

Best we can do is Run N' Gun + Terrifying Barrage

[steel egret]

My every purga staff on launch

[grizzled iris]

With sprint efficiency +1 stam

[safe crystal]

Please no, i have nightmares from December of all my purgatus staves getting this combination

[grizzled iris]

QUIET!

IT IS THE LAW!

THE EMPEROR WILLS IT!

[safe crystal]

Runnerer and gunnerer, my beloved

[grizzled iris]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-19055033

[steel egret]

Oh you are psyker? Here, a rifle.

[tender osprey]

so

should i keep unarm?

[safe crystal]

Unarmoured is one of the better ones, yes

[tender osprey]

and switch the elites for what?

[grizzled iris]

Bro I remember when that was a "Meta" build. "You take VLD with crit and burn on crit and then you run the BB on hit feat! It's broken man!

[safe crystal]

Flak/unyielding, trauma does decent damage against monstrosities, especially bonbon

[grizzled iris]

Trauma you want Flak and Unarmoured, unyielding you just BB

[cosmic sigil]

Oh you're a vet? here, another godrolled bleed knife.

[tender osprey]

its still fine with 20% unarm right?

[steel egret]

I remember

[safe crystal]

Yes

[steel egret]

I have that on psyker

[grizzled iris]

3 Warp charges allows you to hit the one shot breakpoint on infested, so you don't need that either. With 6 stacks you can 1 shot shotgunners. (This is just a fEeLiNg BtW)

[steel egret]

[cosmic sigil]

well my vet and my psyker have better knives than my zealot...

[steel egret]

2 months ago there was psyker here insisting bleed knife is best melee with purga

Since you cam burn and make enemies bleed

He didnt elaborate further.

[cosmic sigil]

i'd rather have uncanny and something else...

[grizzled iris]

Bleed knife was a meme for psyker but it had its uses to allows you to do good dmg vs bosses

[bleak hazel]

is this a good sword? im not sure how importiant mobility and first target is

[grizzled iris]

That was the hole idea about the bleed on dagger on psyker, for the boss dmg

that one is okay

[safe crystal]

Inspect the weapon in inventory and hover over the stats. First target is fairly important, you'd want damage/finesse/first target all to be at 80 ideally

Its not a bad sword, but could be slightly better

[grizzled iris]

You'd pref to have 80 first target and finese

80% dmg vs 60% dmg isn't a noteworthy trade

Feelings btw, monkaG

[bleak hazel]

mm ait i will keep an eye out

[safe crystal]

Oh, im not saying its a big difference. Just that the dump stats are mobility up to 50 and warp resist

[bleak hazel]

lmao

[grizzled iris]

Deimos has 3 dump stats tbf

Dmg can be as low as 70% and not miss any breakpoints

[bleak hazel]

good to know

[grizzled iris]

Warp resistance is redundant on it, and mobility is meh

Mobility>Warp Resistance/Dmg>74%

Basicly

Mobility is worth more than warp resistance and dmg as long as your dmg roll is 70-74%

[bleak hazel]

this one seems pretty decent in that case

think i will use this one

thanks for the help

[grizzled iris]

Yea

Use that one

[bleak hazel]

it has 69 in it so i have to

[grizzled iris]

https://tenor.com/view/whyareyougay-uganda-gay-gif-14399349

[whole oxide]

now watch hadron give it crit perks and dodge blessings

[bleak hazel]

not quite

not the best, had hoped for deflector or slaughterer

[cosmic sigil]

It's good

Reroll Stam to maniac

Keep unstable and as soon as you get slaughter put it instead of blazing

[grizzled iris]

Bro that is amazing

1 stam to maniac

and slaughterer instead of blazing

Can also just do deflector instead of blazing if you got a horde clearing staff

[bleak hazel]

i use the void staff, so i guess that counts

[cosmic sigil]

Not enough plasteel for t4 maniacs?

[bleak hazel]

here we go

i didnt see that it was just t3

[cosmic sigil]

You'll put slaughterer4 when you get it but you can stop there

[bleak hazel]

yea, its the main one im looking for

that and a higher deflector over level 2

[whole oxide]

difference between deflector tiers is pretty unimportant

[cosmic sigil]

IIRC deflector is bugged and is the same on all tiers

[bleak hazel]

oh ok

good to know

gona test it out, see if i really need slaughterer, and how dependant i have gotten on deflector lol

[cosmic sigil]

What's important is deflector + deflection feat

[bleak hazel]

imo i feel like the swords should get that blessing built into it

[bleak hazel]

yea its so good

[cosmic sigil]

That would be op

[whole oxide]

force swords are already pretty OP regardless

[cosmic sigil]

Yeah. That would be unbalanced

[safe crystal]

Funny that you mention this, since they had it on launch. Fatshark used some older code for both the new FS, and they had deflector built in. Apparently, it was stripped out at some point during development and made into a blessing, which is why we have the weird force barrier block animation

[grizzled iris]

They should put more focus on giving us more staves and giving us force rods

[strong gulch]

I really hate the block animation. I have a mod to remove it.

But OOOOOOH I hates it.

[bleak hazel]

to be fair you dont really have any protection against range fire as a psyker

[tender osprey]

my current psyker arsenal

[grizzled iris]

I will never get into this whole "support" trauma staff build with shockwave

[tender osprey]

i mean, its nice to have for crushers and maulers.

[grizzled iris]

How?

[hidden crystal]

I'm fine with the animation, less so the "now play 'guess where the enemy is'" visual effects.

[whole oxide]

unless you're on voice with a team and co-ordinating attacks, your team will never notice it

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, unless I know that their armour has been weakened, I'm not going to be trying to attack them with any weapon where it would make any real difference.

[strong gulch]

Right? That's what I mean. Can't see anything because of it.

[hidden crystal]

I do personally like deflector. I managed to limp my way through a very large portion of a mission yesterday on only 2 health thanks to that.

[safe crystal]

How many of you still have your Obscurus, in the copium hopes of it receiving buffs/the others being pulled down a bit at some point?

[grizzled iris]

They can't make it good without changing the moveset, and they will never do that

[safe crystal]

One can always cope hope

[hidden crystal]

I've still got mine:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1129653470824255568/image.png

The fairly small amount of dockets I'd get back from bartering it isn't worth it when it's almost always plasteel that limits you.

I did actually see and buy another one with good stats recently, but I've not yet used it.

[safe crystal]

I still have my DS as well

[hidden crystal]

Still trying to craft a better Illisi than the... imperfect one I've had for a while.

(I don't hate the stamina perk it has, but maniac damage would be much preferred).

[safe crystal]

Speaking of imperfect Illisi

I need to get one with flak

[hidden crystal]

I have a DS I have hanging around just because it was the first 380 I got. Don't really need to keep it other than that, because it's hard to imagine wanting to shift from force swords.

(Part of the reason I'm okay-ish with the Stamina perk on the Illisi is that I love spamming FS pushes... but I think I'd manage with just my Stamina curio for that, and it'd be nice if maniacs went down a bit more easily)

FS pushes are awesome.

[fervent trench]

warp battery penance is tough. anyone got any tips for that one?

[hidden crystal]

Enclavum Baross.

It's the only map with no lifts or airlocks.

[fervent trench]

ah of course its the one out of rotation

[whole oxide]

most maps have stretches long enough to do it though, unless you're on low intensity or sth

[primal blade]

FS pushes take stamina ? Never noticed

[fervent trench]

mostly its cause my group is too efficient in killing haha

[hidden crystal]

Most lifts make it impossible to hold the charges, they just take too long, and airlocks frequently hold you up while one person is checking every last corner for diamantine... so the map that has neither is the most reliable way to get an uninterrupted run.

[hidden crystal]

The pushes do use stamina, the push attacks generate a small amount of peril instead.

I like both, but for different things.

[primal blade]

i've basically built myself for generating peril so i never realized that

[hidden crystal]

Spamming a few pushes quickly can stagger a large part of a horde, and I've often done it to create openings (particularly good after reviving someone, it gives them and you more time to recover), and the push attacks are often my approach to dealing with ragers or maulers... shove them over and then hit them until they stay on the floor.

[normal matrix]

Ive been having more issue with Blessed by Fate or whatever

that penance is irritating because it requires me to play poorly

[primal blade]

My Sienna's lines 90% of the time: "THE FIRE ! TOO MUCH TOO MUCH !" , "Fire... Consuming me !" , "Burning... Inside" , "Ahhhh no ! too much flame !"
My Psyker also 90% of the time: "THE WARP .. IS OVERTAKING ME !, THE VOICES !"

and how are yours doing ? xp

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1042195930000146452.webp?size=32&name=CoolCatKilo&quality=lossless

cuz mine if they're not on 99% peril they are probably using said peril to toughen up

[normal matrix]

Fair, mine is the beloved psyker so half the time he's going "you dont control me... you dont" and its perfection

I love how kooky he sounds

[fervent trench]

they're all a bit kooky, but seer takes the cake and eats it under the table

[normal matrix]

One of his ability lines is just a maniacal laugh that has literal echo

So yeah, can see it aye

[hidden crystal]

Oh, I hate that one. I completed all the other penances added at the same time reasonably efficiently, but I've got a load of the cosmetics locked behind the barrier that I've got to complete that stupid challenge first.

[fervent trench]

ah that the one where you gotta almost blow up but save yourself with the ult right? how many times does it need?

[normal matrix]

Doing it 50 times as well like if youre any good at psyker you will need go out of your way for thissun

I legit had 0 progress toward the penance before i started trying to get it

[fervent trench]

ah yeah that is a bit of a slog

[primal blade]

did you guys notice psykers sometimes 'speak fondly' of Sefoni ?

[normal matrix]

Well they are all psykers at the end of the day, PCs call eachother sibling

Doesnt surprise me too much

[hidden crystal]

Advancing that one in regular play requires that I'm either desperate enough that I need to get one more brain burst now (and haven't already used Kinetic Barrage for that) or have messed up my peril management.

[primal blade]

the one that calls the emperor 'beloved' also has a few lines with the zealot that imply everyone else knows that the psyker calls the emperor his/her beloved

[normal matrix]

It is a bit hard to miss

[fervent trench]

well when they mention their beloved every other sentence, someone had to make sure it was the emperor and not something else

[primal blade]

true true

[hidden crystal]

I think I'm still on about 10 out of 50 for that penance.

[fervent trench]

yeah, have to intentionally gimp yourself to get it.

[normal matrix]

Ive been actively working on it and i think im at like 6/50 over a mission or two

Proper pain

[normal matrix]

Oh right the "chance to gain a charge on kill" perk is super handy for this

[hidden crystal]

And I could just load into a private game and spend ages overloading myself in the first part of the map, but for penances that were supposed to promote better play, that one is just dumb.

[normal matrix]

It actively promotes worse play which is funny

[hidden crystal]

Oh yes, if you're not running Psychic Communion, do.

[fervent trench]

yeah been using that perk, just wished my rando teammates werent so good at killing haha

[normal matrix]

PsyCommun is MY beloved

[hidden crystal]

You can try asking people to not snipe the stray enemies between encounters (which are important to maintain the kill chain) and hope they don't grief you.

[safe crystal]

Evade mutant charge by half-ledging yourself

Jump into the sniper shot afterwards

[hidden crystal]

It's unfortunate that "hey, I want to do this penance that doesn't really interfere, help me out, okay?" will sometimes get you people bending over backwards to help...

... and sometimes complete jerks.

I am quite proud of the time I ran bodyguard for the vet who said he'd been struggling with the On Overwatch penance for ages.

He didn't manage a completely damage free run (he took some damage from a barrel at some point), but he did get a run free of melee damage.

Between my ult and FS pushes, I just kept anything that got in melee range staggered.

(Assuming I couldn't just keep it out of melee range to begin with)

[bleak tulip]

that dogshit is literally still pinned lmfao

[sterile vale]

Grab Quicken, join a malice lobby and just keep doing brainbursts, by the time you're full on charges your ability will have recharged. Enjoy screaming into your teammates' ears multiple times a minute!

[hidden crystal]

I'm not hugely fussed about completing the penances, I just feel that's a terrible one to have as a prerequisite of all the others.

I mostly play gunpsyker, and often only use the Illisi's charged attack to open against a horde to get Slaughter stacks up (at which point I go for light attack spam, as I feel it keeps the horde better staggered than the optimal damage approach of special heavies), but even then I managed to get the 2500 warp kills a very long time before I'm ever going to get the avoid perils penance.

[harsh urchin]

Its almost always better to do special heavy if the horde is controlled

Since that has better cleave

But it doesnt really matter

Play how you like

[hidden crystal]

Stuff like "Kill Elites while on maximum Warp Charges"... isn't bad play, Brain Burst is legitimately a good option against many elites, and BB shouldn't be looked at solely as a tool to get warp charges.

But "Screw up your Peril management, and inefficiently use your ult to save yourself" is not good play. (Kinetic Barrage means your ult is better used early on if you need to do a lot of brain bursts, and all the other Lvl 30 perks throw away all your warp charges).

[bleak tulip]

see it as an opportunity to use an extra cast before you would use your F, thats how Ive been doing it

[safe crystal]

Some of the new penances just promotes bad play, the perils of the warp being one

[primal blade]

penances always promoted bad play

[bleak tulip]

still in no competition to the old ones at least

like not even a little bit

[safe crystal]

One other that comes to mind is the zealot 'Stun things with your grenades, essentially wasting them since it wasnt necessary to stun the horde'

[primal blade]

fatshark is always smoking a fat one when they come up with challenges like that

[bleak tulip]

"literally blow yourself up to kill 5 specials or elites" aka "actively harm your team for credit"

they even nerfed that penance and banished it to redacted

I think its just 1 now lmao

[primal blade]

Nerfed and banished ?

Damn that one must have really irked people then