Yeah probably, but we'll be waiting a while to see any major additions because the company has a contractual obligation to shit out a console turd
#psyker-class
fluid knot
spice veldt
yeah, there's a trend of weapon families having three each at least
we currently have 4 force staffs, each belonging to different weapon families
ornate hamlet
yeah i saw that with the guns
spice veldt
so at the very very least, there will be 8 more force staffs
a rather sore point of psyker is the total lack of a force staff with ranged single-target burst DPS
ornate hamlet
honestly if you could add 1 staff to the game, what would it do?
spice veldt
so I expect them to fill that it
ornate hamlet
i honestly dont even know what they could add
whole oxide
big assumption, when more likely they just fucked up and forgot about the whole weapon-family thing when doing psyker
spice veldt
a laser beam
fluid knot
We need to see more options for staves cos we're fuckin starved at the minute
normal matrix
a rather sore point of psyker is the total lack of a force staff with ranged sin...
isnt that kinda... redundant with BB?
spice veldt
BB's DPS is rather poor
fluid knot
BB takes time, though very powerful, its not a sustained damage source
spice veldt
it's primarily a utility weapon
normal matrix
it's burst though
spice veldt
for most enemies, it's 1100 base damage over 2 seconds with the LMB
which is not very much DPS at all
ornate hamlet
a rather sore point of psyker is the total lack of a force staff with ranged sin...
cant you take trauma and only charge it a bit for small single target killing?
spice veldt
trauma does 380 damage at 80% damage, which isn't much damage, and that's over 1.3 seconds at 80% charge rate
ornate hamlet
BB's DPS is rather poor
whats BB?
normal matrix
brain-burst
spice veldt
abbreviation for Brain Burst
normal matrix
it's your G skill
fluid knot
Trauma also lacks range quite severely
ornate hamlet
thanks
spice veldt
BB is comfy to use and aim, but you can really feel the lack of DPS
especially when bolters can kill three crushers in a single mag and whatnot
fluid knot
Not that its often too much of a problem because there arent big engagement zones very often, but yeah
ornate hamlet
i mean cant BB 1 shot most enemys on low tier and even after do good single target dmg?
normal matrix
ive been mostly running Flamer Staff and the Illisis or whatever FSword
spice veldt
it's decent but not the best
ornate hamlet
pretty sure BB is the best against things like monstrosities bc they have alot of health
normal matrix
i mean cant BB 1 shot most enemys on low tier and even after do good single targ...
it's good for elite popping
fluid knot
i mean cant BB 1 shot most enemys on low tier and even after do good single targ...
It can one shot a lot on higher tiers too, but not Ogryns an the like
spice veldt
BB is nice since it automatically targets weakspots and they bumped up the weakspot damage on the plague ogryn and beast of nurgle
fluid knot
Though you can get it down to two headpops to kill Crushers/Reapers with the right setup on Damnation
spice veldt
if nothing else, it is consistent
ornate hamlet
It can one shot a lot on higher tiers too, but not Ogryns an the like
not having a psyker was a pain because i had to melee fight them all
normal matrix
honestly i think psyker has the easiest time dealing with bulwarks due to BB stagger
fluid knot
not having a psyker was a pain because i had to melee fight them all
Take Combat axe, either Antax or Rashad, they're pretty damn solid when it comes to rocking Ogryns in melee, arguably, far too good at it (Not on Psyker tho)
normal matrix
well, second, i guess, compared to plasvet
spice veldt
and bolter vet/zealot
normal matrix
top 3 is still good
ornate hamlet
Take Combat axe, either Antax or Rashad, they're pretty damn solid when it comes...
i had mk5 combat axe but still they tank like 10-15 charged hits
and im not gonna waste 200 rounds on 1
fluid knot
If you're still levelling then yeah, it'll take a number, but when you're at max level, Combat axes are in the top three melee weapons picks on any class that isnt Psyker
spice veldt
crusher packs can be pretty dangerous without any ranged anti-armor
ornate hamlet
yeah but imma switch back to psyker now anyways
fluid knot
Easy to use, high damage vs all targets etc
spice veldt
there is that randomness with pubs
ornate hamlet
so ill just use my illisi for killing hordes
fluid knot
crusher packs can be pretty dangerous without any ranged anti-armor
Honestly why i rate shovel on Vet, the poke can keep 3 or 4 fully controlled and stop them being too much of a mischief
ornate hamlet
i really like guns but i cant be bothered
fluid knot
If you're forced into melee with them that is
ornate hamlet
anyone here also a vet player?
ornate hamlet
how do you deal with ogryns and monstrosities when there are no psyker
or do you just not play randoms
pine relic
fluid knot
how do you deal with ogryns and monstrosities when there are no psyker
If i think they're gonna be a problem, Hellbore3
ornate hamlet
what
fluid knot
It deletes bascially everything
ornate hamlet
blessing?
fluid knot
Hellbore MGIII
ornate hamlet
ohhh
spice veldt
Helbore lasguns have a good armour modifier against carapace
spice veldt
i've completely forgotten that they exist
ornate hamlet
i was gonna try to go for a close range build with maybe recon and infernus but i dont think thats gonna happen any time soon
fluid knot
Good ammo economy on em too
normal matrix
i was gonna try to go for a close range build with maybe recon and infernus but ...
zealot is the CQC class, you dont have the stamina or regen for extended melee
fluid knot
i was gonna try to go for a close range build with maybe recon and infernus but ...
Recon is toss vs maniac which are most of the properly threatening enemies
Like really toss
Terrible infact
normal matrix
aye if you're gonna go for a CQ weapon try the shotguns
ornate hamlet
vets told me its decent due to infernus blessing and high rate of fire
fluid knot
Its good vs most things, but not Maniacs
And really, only one of them is good
Infernus was also neutered pretty early on in the games life
ornate hamlet
Psyker an Zealot most tho
are the thunder hammers fun to use?
normal matrix
incredibly so
fluid knot
They are, slow to clear horde, but hit like a truck vs single targets
normal matrix
very satisfying to bonk the everloving shit out of something
ornate hamlet
they have flame throwers for hordes thou right?
fluid knot
They do have range on their swings and decent knockback though, so you dont get eaten by hordes, it just takes a while
pine relic
Wasted
ornate hamlet
sad
fluid knot
Yea, you can use flamer, but its not a satisfying weapon by any stretch of the imagination, feedback from it is uhhh.. kinda shit
ornate hamlet
Yea, you can use flamer, but its not a satisfying weapon by any stretch of the i...
is it similar to purg?
the staff
fluid knot
In the sense that it sets everything on fire, yes
normal matrix
you can use it for longer and i think it has better range
the reload takes ages though
fluid knot
It does, but reloads take ages ye
spice veldt
soulblaze is also a bit worse than burn
fluid knot
Wot Cubic said
spice veldt
and the flamer is on zealot which has ranged armour downgrade on ult
ornate hamlet
im quite new to wh40k and thunder hammers just stood out to me bc i associated them with the big armor guys
normal matrix
the flamer just sort of... is
ornate hamlet
i forgot the name
fluid knot
and the flamer is on zealot which has ranged armour downgrade on ult
The bug that then became a feature because they couldnt fix it 
normal matrix
im quite new to wh40k and thunder hammers just stood out to me bc i associated t...
thunder warriors perhaps?
spice veldt
there is no god
normal matrix
very true
ornate hamlet
The bug that then became a feature because they couldnt fix it <:KEKW_ogryn:1022...
is zealot hard to learn?
fluid knot
is zealot hard to learn?
Zealot is very fun, but its arguably the most demanding class at this point
ornate hamlet
like psyker is very easy
normal matrix
easy for now
ornate hamlet
Zealot is very fun, but its arguably the most demanding class at this point
wdym by demanding?
normal matrix
zealot is melee-heavy by nature, you need to play beethoven's 5th on your keyboard to do well in melee at higher diff
ornate hamlet
and why is zealot the melee class isnt like ogryn better because very tanky and stuff?
fluid knot
wdym by demanding?
For what you're expected to do, IE; dive on groups of problem targets and spend most of your time in melee, you need a good grip on mechanics and how to maintain your HP/Toughness
normal matrix
ogryn is sort of the support class
spice veldt
ogryn has some big DPS in the form of the ripper from what I see
god I wish I had it
fluid knot
and why is zealot the melee class isnt like ogryn better because very tanky and ...
Zealot is a generalist, and yeah, what Cubic said, Ogg isnt a tank, well.. he is, but not like your stereotypical tank
ornate hamlet
is ogryn maybe good against hordes and zealot more melee against single targets bc more damage?
normal matrix
that varies based on weapon
fluid knot
ogryn has some big DPS in the form of the ripper from what I see
Yeah Rippers fuck, even Vets will struggle to outdamage Ripper in a lot of situations
spice veldt
zealot has some nice hordeclear weapons
ornate hamlet
that varies based on weapon
speaking about thunder hammer rn
normal matrix
there are two THammers
fluid knot
TH is very much a single target weapon overall
ornate hamlet
the big one
normal matrix
one is for single-target, one for hordes
ornate hamlet
the one that starts with c
spice veldt
yeah the thunderhammers are very terrible for hordes
normal matrix
people dont like the horde one
fluid knot
Ehhhh.. the Ironhelm isnt really good for hordes either
ornate hamlet
*people dont like the horde one*
i want to bonk
fluid knot
Its got a weird moveset that doesnt suit the weapon
ornate hamlet
single target
fluid knot
Hence people dont like it
normal matrix
use the crucis thunder hammer then
ornate hamlet
yeah
normal matrix
that's the single target Big Bonker™️
fluid knot
^
tender osprey
fluid knot
whats a good name for a bonker
MC Hammer
normal matrix
aye that's a great one
fluid knot
Do you feel old yet?
normal matrix
laughing ogryn
normal matrix
seeing as i only ever play with zealots and other veterans, a depressing amount
ornate hamlet
that also praises the god emperor
fluid knot
either that or the irish-sounding male
*Scottish
ornate hamlet
Fanatic or Judge?
normal matrix
whichever you like more for short and angry
lyric burrow
i need to find a way to enjoy zealot and ogryn more
ornate hamlet
go bonk hammer build
lyric burrow
there fun when im in the mood for them but ive played them significantly less than vet and esp psyker
ornate hamlet
Female agitator
lyric burrow
thammer build is fun but ive used it a decent amount and i also dont like that it forces me to take something like flamethrower
ornate hamlet
Female agitator
too late
lyric burrow
for horde clear
ornate hamlet
for horde clear
what do you use then?
fluid knot
thammer build is fun but ive used it a decent amount and i also dont like that i...
Nahhh, i run TH + Revvy, you can clear with TH, its just slow, though it does have good CC ofc because of the stagger
lyric burrow
usually agrippina shotgun and hsword
i do have a chainsword build i like
that i can use with agripinna
ornate hamlet
i feel like there are other classes that might be more fun thammer and flame thrower is a bit what makes it unique
lyric burrow
zealot grenade is nice af tho
lyric burrow
i do wish heavy evis wasnt like actual garbage
ornate hamlet
Thunderstruck W or L name for t hammer build
ornate hamlet
i do wish heavy evis wasnt like actual garbage
evis?
ornate hamlet
i have no idea what that is
ohh okay
I'mma be honest, flame weapons in games always bored me
fluid knot
Yep, agree
ornate hamlet
what do you play as vet
When I cover a dude in flames I see the flames, not what my flames are doing
ornate hamlet
i might be weird then
And it doesn't have any chonky impact sounds or blood splatters
i love flame throwers
lyric burrow
can be awkard on shooter heavy maps
ornate hamlet
i like the effect it leaves and everything
It's hilarious to hit one dude with a helbore and watch him do a cartwheel, but wiping out a whole crowd with a flamethrower is sleepy times
Is helbore like a sniper or smth?
lyric burrow
what do you play as vet
pretty much everything, but been running shovel/revo/plasma/vraks mk7/mk4 lasgun recently
ornate hamlet
Yesn't
lyric burrow
yeah
ornate hamlet
is helbore the one you hold shoot to charge?
lyric burrow
yeah
fluid knot
It's hilarious to hit one dude with a helbore and watch him do a cartwheel, but ...
Enemies barely even react to flamer which is fucking sad compared to how well the guns provide feedback
ornate hamlet
imagine it was like battlefield lol
lyric burrow
i do enjoy purge staff cause at least thats magic fire
ornate hamlet
just screaming and like waiving arround
lyric burrow
and i can slide around and shit while using iut
fluid knot
just screaming and like waiving arround
Not even remotely
fluid knot
It'd be fun if it did, but alas
ornate hamlet
things just burn and fall
lyric burrow
they do an animation for being on fire
but thats it
its just the stagger animation
lyric burrow
everything but vet specific stuff
lyric burrow
so no plasma gun
fluid knot
So no Hellbore, Plasma, Shovel or Psword
fluid knot
Same :/
unreal dust
Enemies barely even react to flamer which is fucking sad compared to how well th...
If you pay close attention, most enemies react quite a bit to being on fire. Groaners, Moaners, Stalkers, and etc... they all go into a full suppression once you hose them with flame. Only Poxwalkers seem to shrug it off with their immunity. Even Bulwarks succumb to the flame once you break the shield guard with a Psykinetic Wave.
ornate hamlet
can zealot use bolter?
ornate hamlet
damn
fluid knot
Also Zealot dont get recon las
lyric burrow
oh right
fluid knot
But meh, who gives a damn about that really
ornate hamlet
every zealot ive had in teams so far used flames
ornate hamlet
is there a good gun for hordes in combination with thunder hammer?
lyric burrow
flamer
fluid knot
thank god zealot with recon would be awful
I will save myself the concern and will not
unreal dust
is there a good gun for hordes in combination with thunder hammer?
Autopistol. Flamer.
ornate hamlet
how fast does flamer drain ammo?
lyric burrow
oh yeah shredder
fluid knot
is there a good gun for hordes in combination with thunder hammer?
Just brush up on your melee skills and you wont need to expend ammo to kill off a horde, Zealot kinda requires that you do anyway
lyric burrow
decently fast
yeah ideally you fight them in melee
i dont think ive ever used a gun for horde clear
unreal dust
how fast does flamer drain ammo?
Fast, but Zealot flamer can shred through Crushers with the right blessings.
ornate hamlet
Just brush up on your melee skills and you wont need to expend ammo to kill off ...
you mean get good at melee and rather something for ranged targets like revolver?
i dont have that much faith in me honestly
lyric burrow
generally melee weapons are for hordes and guns for ranged anyway
fluid knot
i dont think ive ever used a gun for horde clear
Only class that can really do that an still be efficient outside using flamer is Oggy, an even then, really only Rippers/Kickback (But they are SUPER efficient at mixed horde wipe)
unreal dust
you mean get good at melee and rather something for ranged targets like revolver...
Revolver earns you maximum style points tho 😄
ornate hamlet
generally melee weapons are for hordes and guns for ranged anyway
gonna be hard if i have a single target hammer thou
ornate hamlet
Revolver earns you maximum style points tho 😄
i liked the high dmg when playing as vet
lyric burrow
it can CC it just actually clears slowly
fluid knot
Yeah
fluid knot
An only one will die per swing
lyric burrow
its like an ogryn club if youve used one, but worse at actually clearing
fluid knot
Unironically, though people hate on it, the Indignatus clears a horde faster than TH
lyric burrow
similar CC effect where you knock guys around
fluid knot
how do you combo with hammer then do you spam light
Heavies mostly for clear
lyric burrow
you can try ironhelm, i dont actually hate it
its kind of a hybrid but horde clear still isnt amazing
ornate hamlet
you can try ironhelm, i dont actually hate it
i want the big hammer for style
fluid knot
Light powered bonk if you need to pick something out from a crowd, heavy powered bonk if you have room to delete something without it catching on trash
ornate hamlet
i mean who wouldnt want a small fanatic woman with a giant hammer lol
fluid knot
Depends if thats a euphemisim or not
ornate hamlet
i have no idea what that means
lyric burrow
just make sure you really aim for the target cause that one poxwalker will stop your swing and make you miss the elite
then your stuck in an animation forever
ornate hamlet
yes
ornate hamlet
highest lvl character is psyker 15 rn
tried vet up to lvl 10 but im just awful at it
lyric burrow
game takes time to understand but once you get it you get it
it clicks at a certain point
ornate hamlet
my problem with vet is that i have to rely on others for armored targets im loosing 5x as many missions as psyker
and i wanna try zealot because it also has better single target dmg
lyric burrow
you do get anti armor stuff later
psword/combat axes can break carapace as can plasma gun and bolter
ornate hamlet
with psyker i could just do 1 brain burst and not 15 charged attacks and also get a warp charge
lyric burrow
even autoguns can go through mauler carapace well
lyric burrow
with psyker i could just do 1 brain burst and not 15 charged attacks and also ge...
fair warning that does change in higher difficulties
just so you know
ornate hamlet
most missions failed against ogryns monstrosities or because team decided to split up
ornate hamlet
fair warning that does change in higher difficulties
with psyker i could do t4 missions
with vet not even 3
unreal dust
most missions failed against ogryns monstrosities or because team decided to spl...
That's going to happen a lot on lower difficulties as people learn the game
ornate hamlet
not a single one
ornate hamlet
That's going to happen a lot on lower difficulties as people learn the game
psyker was alot easier
but i wanna give all classes a go and then decide
except ogryn, i dont like those
unreal dust
psyker was alot easier
I like Psyker quite a bit. Ogryn definitely takes a very, very different approach
ornate hamlet
psyker feels very satisfying
unreal dust
But once I hit 30 and figured out weapon loadouts, Ogryn is nice
ornate hamlet
blowing up hordes with trauma or popping strong enemys within 5 seconds
ornate hamlet
i was better at clearing range enemys with psyker then other vets in my team because area damage
basically free grenade every 5 seconds
lyric burrow
psyker clears hordes very well
vet can with his melee for sure but he doesnt have as many horde clear options
mostly cause he takes out ranged units and elites very well
he does have access to some of the best melee tho once you unlock it
ornate hamlet
and also insane range with powered up illisi heavy
ornate hamlet
time to do a level 1 mission
good luck with whatever yall are doing
also i was very disappointed to not see a kriegscorps outfit for vets
lyric burrow
yeah more cosmetics are slowly rolling out
a lot of them have been datamined
but might be a while before we get through all of them
and we dont know if they are payed or not
spice veldt
bring better boots
steel flame
Clearly you didn't wear your featherstep boots and the quicksand got you
ornate hamlet
damn ill think of that next time
bleak tulip
hello hivemind, recommendations for better blessings? something else to look for in another staff?
lyric burrow
which map was it on
thats pretty ideal although when possible youd ideally get a higher nexus
flurry too but 3 instead of 4 is less of a big deal than 2 intead of 3/4
and maniac to flak
bleak tulip
yeah that probably wasnt in the cards judging by my reroll pick I dont recall
lyric burrow
base stats are really good just the other stuff
strong gulch
Blessing tier is the only thing holding it back.
lyric burrow
but thatll be good
strong gulch
but it's pretty great
lyric burrow
hopefully hadron doesnt screw you over
bleak tulip
🤞
strong gulch
Worst case you get a T3 blessing
bleak tulip
yeah
had a 378 base that she put sprint 3 and mutant 2 as well as a level 2 blessing on 
strong gulch
lyric burrow
hadron has been kind to me recently but brunt hasnt liked me as much
regal jasper
I almost made a really bad psyker joke
Anyways
Today will be the day i get lvl 30
hidden crystal
Hooray, only five weeks until you got actual max power.
regal jasper
Yay
hidden crystal
... it takes so long to grind up decent weapons, and especially curios.
And with gear progression, you have absolutely no idea how long it'll take.
It's just "Whenever Hadron decides to not completely ruin your gear".
ornate hamlet
isn't it normal to do that and edge between 80-100?
kind jay
you can. i just don't think it's worth it over full peril resist to spam it
fluid knot
Dump is quell speed
kind jay
doesn't work well with flurry that way either
fluid knot
On all staves
chrome arch
Nomanus kind of needs every stat I can think of
Both resistance and quell speed I deem important
Apart Damage and Crit bonus
I currently have 60ish quell Surge and I find myself switching to psword to quell faster
fluid knot
The difference in quell speed between 50% an 80% is less than a quarter of a second
fluid knot
You likely dont, its placebo
fluid knot
Seriously, its by far the least worthwhile stat the things can roll
True across the board
mental rock
you do feel it, because the rate at which quell speed scales becomes higher as quell speed becomes higher
chrome arch
It feels like overall tempo of
chrome arch
you do feel it, because the rate at which quell speed scales becomes higher as q...
Hm basically this
Yes
So I personally do not think quell Speed is the dump stat
mental rock
the last 20% of quell speed which is unobtainable is worth like 66% or something
chrome arch
Don't remember all 5 surge bars though
It has damage, crit bonus, warp resistance, quell speed and..?
fluid knot
Someone posted a video a little while back of the difference between and it was so small it was simply not worth considering over other stats that actually impact your item
sour plume
this worth picking up for 2.8k?
chrome arch
I think for me charge rate would be dump stat if I had IV warp flurry on
fluid knot
this worth picking up for 2.8k?
Its not terrible, but i wouldnt spend that on it myself, T3 blessings, if Flurry was T4, it would be
Though if you're rich on melk-tokens go for it, if not, save em
chrome arch
Siblings, i have some generic Ilissi psword but I don't know what blessing to use apart Slaughterer.
I do enjoy Exorcist cos it fits my playstyle to "quell by killing two birds with one stone", but maybe there is 2nd BiS blessing for Ilissi?
fluid knot
Unstable Power
fluid knot
Stacks, each tier @20%, x4
spice veldt
The difference in quell speed between 50% an 80% is less than a quarter of a sec...
it's more than a quarter of a second if you're referring to quelling from 100% to 0%
fluid knot
it's more than a quarter of a second if you're referring to quelling from 100% t...
Who was it that posted the clip?
strong gulch
this worth picking up for 2.8k?
I see you don't have either of the blessings. So you might not have a bunch of gear and blessing to fiddle with.
If that's the case, then it's not bad.
However, if you have really limited melk money, I'd skip.
Transfer peril is the BIS for void staff.
fluid knot
I see you don't have either of the blessings. So you might not have a bunch of g...
Transfer/Flurry
Though Nexus/Surge or Nexus/Blazing are also both worth using
strong gulch
Though Nexus/Surge or Nexus/Blazing are also both worth using
I've been meaning to build a nexus/blazing one. I keep forgetting tho.
spice veldt
at 80% quell speed, you quell 12.31% per tick
at 50% quell speed, you quell 8.62% per tick
each tick occurs every 0.25 seconds
chrome arch
Does Surge also get Blazing Spirit? Asking out of curiosity
fluid knot
Its good fun, but you really gotta go all in on the burn to make it worthwhile, or rather, more comparable to Purga
fluid knot
Does Surge also get Blazing Spirit? Asking out of curiosity
It does not
Would be cool though
chrome arch
2 elements
Yea
Hm. I use Surge the most NGL...
I can't assess whether it's OK they way it is or it needs slight tweaks
spice veldt
from 100%, 80% quell speed means that you'll take 2.25 seconds to quell to 0%.
from 100%, 50% quell speed means that you'll take 3 seconds to quell to 0%
sour plume
I see you don't have either of the blessings. So you might not have a bunch of g...
Yeah i'm going to skip, hopefully something good comes along later, appreciate it.
spice veldt
this is the function for how much peril you quell per tick btw
chrome arch
And since you quell as much as you can on Surge cos you spam uncharged lightning with flurry
Imo quell speed is important
spice veldt
courtesy of syllogism
chrome arch
Thank you, Sibling, most gracious
fluid knot
from 100%, 80% quell speed means that you'll take 2.25 seconds to quell to 0%.
f...
Ah right, three quarters of a second, still absolutely fuckin negligable vs other stats
spice veldt
if you're quelling from 100%, it means that you can get a fuller charge from surge if you're into that
on trauma, you'd preferably have >60% quell speed and 80% warp res so that you only need to quell two ticks to get a full charge off
those are the breakpoints I know of
fluid knot
Basically noone is gonna quell from 100% to zero unless they're desperate for toughness via Quietetude tho
Even less often if you're running Unleashed
chrome arch
Honestly I still have my pink glasses on and I think we eventually get red weapons which will have all bars @ 100%
Would solve a lot
fluid knot
I doubt it tbh
chrome arch
Me too
spice veldt
quell speed is one of those stats that are severely gimped by the 80% cap
chrome arch
Weapon system is NOT vt2
fluid knot
Maybe it'll go up to 400 base rating in which case one stat will be at 100%, more than that.. ehhh
feral verge
@spice veldt jealous?
spice veldt
<@297182781346152448> jealous?
that's a deimos you god damn binch
feral verge
i know
spice veldt
nice +10% elite
chrome arch
Nice Meemos
feral verge
chrome arch
Mine is 540ish too but has some differences here and there
Ah, my Meemos has Uncanny Strike
spice veldt
quell speed doesn't matter as much damage-wise even on the trauma which probably takes the shortest to reach 100% peril (7.6 seconds; 4 casts, 1.9 seconds per cast at 80% charge rate), but I like it so that I don't need as much time to quell from 100% since I tend to stay at 100% from spamming my illisi and am extremely vulnerable if I can't get a quell off in a jiffy
chrome arch
I wonder how much different does Unstable Power make vs just IV slaughterer
Because I unironically like having exorcist and have "battle quelling" by smacking the heads
bleak tulip
I wonder how much different does Unstable Power make vs just IV slaughterer
about 20% at 80 I'd imagine 
cyan moth
What kind of perks and blessings should I get on a rapier?
ornate hamlet
Uncanny strike and shred
Rampage if you can be arsed to do push attacks for the non-zero cleave to proc the blessing, but even then it doesn't even give you one-shot headshots
regal jasper
Is the one perk where you can block ranged and normal attacks good on the blaze sword?
cyan moth
Is the one perk where you can block ranged and normal attacks good on the blaze ...
yeah they're good
Although i'm good at dodging so I dont typically need it
regal jasper
Thanks mommy
surreal imp
worth buying from melk?
regal jasper
Its better then mine ):
surreal imp
is there a diff blessing i should put on it?
regal jasper
I think it looks pretty good
Idk many of the blessings so i probably shouldn’t try to help in this category of questions lol
I have deflector on mine and it helps me a ton
spice veldt
it has flak on it at least
first target is meh but first target currently doesn't scale the dmg of the special so it's whatever
surreal imp
ight, ill take it
spice veldt
If you like deflector and it's better than ur current force swords and you have milk bottles to spare, then sure
surreal imp
personally more of a Mk4 enjoyer but ive been meaning to try an illisi
spice veldt
illisi's special is its shining star so make sure to spam that shit
surreal imp
is that the one that melts hordes
strong gulch
worth buying from melk?
If it's an upgrade and you aren't super tight on melk money, then yes.
Slaughter + deflector blessings are a common pairing for defense, utility, and damage.
More damage focused blessings are unstable power + slaughter.
Perks are generally flak + maniac.
spice veldt
amazing hordeclear and good stagger against ragers/maulers
special-lights will repeatedly stagger ragers and maulers before they can ever get a hit off
maulers are slower so you can afford to do special-heavies since they can be dodged
make sure to bodyshot maulers if there are 2 or more of them because their carapace head will otherwise end your cleave immediately
regal jasper
They should add pvp
strong gulch
If only nexus was T4. Otherwise a million gold later I finally got something good.
white sky
They should add pvp
Id love l4d2 style pvp tbh
regal jasper
Yeah
blissful radish
PVP meta would be bursters around every corner
safe crystal
Snipers pre-firing corners
white sky
Muties and flamers/bombers ngl
spice veldt
plasmagun vets sniping players through walls
blissful radish
consider the following: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/751266376173355019/1130659962406830140/burster.webm
white sky
That spawn spot is just fucking god awful with PBs
Ive had them jump at the spawn door and curve around the wall into that room
wary stratus
Shadow wizard money gang
old oyster
im, never gonna go to use this again , its bringed me death... i losed t4 mission
spice veldt
inspiring barrage seems like a nice blessing https://streamable.com/paewi3
cosmic sigil
Yep. Goodbye blaze away, hello inspiring barrage.
lunar hollow
hmm
ornate hamlet
Don't give Jerry any ideas about his shredder vet
ornate hamlet
John doing neuronal management to intelligently use the single neuron he has available
lunar hollow
do not bully josho
ornate hamlet
ow oof oof multitasking owieee
lunar hollow
😦
fluid knot
To be fair, effectively multitasking is pretty hard for a lot of blokes
Some women too, but usually they're better at it
fluid knot
Dunno, not my forte as it were
steel flame
OH BOY sure do love shield ogryns tunnel visiosning onto random shit and leavin everyone else out to dry XP
dry sun
Is exorcist iv a desired trauma staff blessing or can i just gobble it up for the backlog
strong gulch
Do you mean Transfer Peril? If so, gobble it up for trauma.
fluid knot
Trauma dont roll Transfer pal
spice veldt
unfortunately doesn't work on the RMB
fluid knot
Oh my mistake it does, but yeah, kinda pointless
Wonder if they'll ever let Surge work on RMB
strong gulch
Now if it triggered by exploding feets.
fluid knot
Would probably come close to BiS if it did
strong gulch
Rolled a decent Illisi sword. Hopped into a game and SURPRISE it's actually an obscurus.
I got big brains.
fluid knot
valid saffron
y
idk actually
what happens when 4 surge psykers run through the area?
its no joke. nobody moves and all are dancing hooray
main tulip
wait so is it impossible to get the old psyker chestpeice and final helmet as a solo?
fresh panther
wait so is it impossible to get the old psyker chestpeice and final helmet as a ...
Yep it requires a private match which in turn requires a strike team of 2 or more
main tulip
hidden crystal
its no joke. nobody moves and all are dancing hooray
Or, as the joke was in my Dark Heresy game the other night: "A psyker, a prison officer and a ratling walk into a bar..."
The punchline, so far at least, was four dead drunks.
plucky flax
If only nexus was T4. Otherwise a million gold later I finally got something goo...
Flak would be better for me but unyielding is not bad. It's good to burn ogryns and monsters. Shame about t3 nexus.
regal jasper
Are the staffs good melees at all?
Like if its 1 enemy i think its really fun to just beat him to death
cosmic sigil
😢
autumn smelt
I already have a very good voidstrike so I'm not too worried, it's just tier 3 stuff of what I want instead of t4
But it could be t4, and I'm always buying good rolls just in case anyway lmao
plucky flax
Yeah I buy good rolls and upgrade them for disappointment. Then curse the stupid rng design. 
short vessel
Guys, what do I put on a shredder do make it good for gun psyker?
plucky flax
Same as vet and zealot. Flak maniac, pinning fire 4(most important) blaze away.
bold flint
trauma staff users doing everything in their power not to trauma staff poxbursters
regal jasper
Im finally getting on
Fuck its 1 am so i didn’t max my psyker in the time i wanted to
spice veldt
i'm liking inspiring barrage over blaze away
bold flint
a psyker spawned in at the beginning of the map and lost to 1 mutie
regal jasper
a psyker spawned in at the beginning of the map and lost to 1 mutie
Hey
Listen
It was a plague ogryn this time
steel egret
trauma staff users doing everything in their power not to trauma staff poxburste...
There may or may be some casulties.
steel egret
I mainly play balding old man psyker.
steel egret
Yeah so do I.
plucky flax
Its the best he's so annoying xd
steel egret
I think its the case of other ones being not that good.
plucky flax
Mine is min height I want to change to max height though but not possible right now.
spice veldt
i like my male seer
steel egret
such feature is only in very deep rpg modifications you can do to your characters.
when you make the character.
plucky flax
Its too hard to code.
plucky flax
Seer is the my beloved guy right?
steel egret
they dont have that material done yet.
plucky flax
totally not just a case of adding a tab and slider.
That's too complex.
Just like attachments for weapons.
steel egret
its not call of duty
adding some dogshit trinkets is Ok, but bayonets or flashlights? heresy.
thats like asking for psyker staff melee removal.
plucky flax
Account wide resources also too hard to code.
steel egret
They would need to have system in place that tracks amount of resources on all characters
and pools it together
thats insane.
plucky flax
Cos the code from vt2 can't be carried over.
steel egret
No
plucky flax
Brand new game from the ground up.
steel egret
they learned from their mistakes
plucky flax
Finish a game get a chest for 3 items? How about 1 item instead. More grind more fun.
steel egret
Re-rolling a store cant be implemented because it could save time and reduce play time.
hidden crystal
Mine is min height I want to change to max height though but not possible right ...
I kind of like minimum height for psyker. It's good for hiding behind cover as your brain burst charges up.
Annoying though when you're playing marksman gunpsyker and the team keep blocking your view.
plucky flax
My vet is max height and it's so easy to melee headshot mobs
spice veldt
if height affects melee range, then I'd swap to max height in a heartbeat
analog solstice
I prefer being a manlet because im harder to hit (Massive fucking cope)
hidden crystal
I'd wait until Lvl 30 so you at least get that final trait.
(While Ascending Blaze and Quicken rather change how your ult works - throwing away all your warp charges - Kinetic Barrage does massively increase the utility of your brain burst).
Because of the final trait, there's a big difference between Lvl 29 and Lvl 30 with any class.
torpid herald
fellow siblings, got a question, is terrifying barrage t4 a good blessing on a flamer staff or nah? i got one with t4 warp nexus. Should i reroll TB for warp flurry?
safe crystal
Its not great. The staff has good base suppression, and the direct damage needs to deal the killing blow for terrifying barrage to trigger. Its also an X area centered around the player, not the target killed
torpid herald
Its not great. The staff has good base suppression, and the direct damage needs ...
ight so good ol WF+WN then, ty
digital narwhal
fellow siblings, got a question, is terrifying barrage t4 a good blessing on a f...
Already got a Suppression AOE iirc, so no
Ideally you want Warp Flurry and Warp Nexus, or whatever it's called now
manic flint
where are updated builds posted?
strong gulch
Ooh congrats. Especially on the T4 transfer peril.
feral verge
Get rid of terrifying barrage asap
feral verge
Terrifying barrage is useless. It's like not having a blessing overall
You want warp flurry
You want this mod
Lets you reroll perks automatically, to whatever you desire
Instead of relying on random chance
grizzled iris
And then you want a Trauma staff!
strong gulch
That is t3 transfer peril you donkey!
Pft I looked at terrifying barrage and was like "T4 TRANFER PERIL YAAAAAAAAAY" 😂 💀
wet jacinth
near wyvern
slate sun
it's so hard to quit voidstrike though ...
even hitting a demonhost from out of view range didn't stop me
bleak tulip
don't I know it
been playing only purge for like 3 days
Would be nice if void was better on higher difficulties, it's by no means unusable but there is something about a horde spawning and with it the "the psyker is out of control" barks from teammates... like every 10 seconds
strong thicket
Is blazing spirit any good on the voidstrike? Maybe spamming charged+R with warp nexus on hordes?
whole oxide
explosion radius isn't that great either, you won't burn anything that you aren't already hitting directly
strong thicket
Glad melk never proves me wrong and only sells crap
Or sufficiently powerful bases
So this but maybe swapped charge rate and quell speed?
pine hearth
tender osprey
gunna get slaughterer; then flak or soemthing in place of stam.
normal matrix
Damn thats a nice sword my boy
lyric burrow
Is blazing spirit any good on the voidstrike? Maybe spamming charged+R with warp...
Its technically usable with crit perk and nexus/blazing but you need to be able to quell cancel well
Otherwise its not worth
strong gulch
I was just playing around with blazing spirit void.
Yeah. Definitely need to RMB quell cancel.
It doesn't seem to work as well as blazing spirit trauma.
But it's at least a different way to play.
fluid knot
Nah it is worth, just take other burn sources, you'll not get the killing power like Trauma or Purga with the burn, but you'll still easily cap damage on the scoreboard as everything will be soft as fuck
Also, different use case for the most part, Void is ranged horde killer, which is not hard to leverage if your positioning is good
strong gulch
Gotcha. All over play vs specific weapon damage.
fluid knot
Aye, crits are pre-determined on shot, so by utilising the native cleave, you'll end up setting fire to a lot more stuff when it does proc
Actually started off as a meme, but by using WnR, Wildfire an AB with it, i found it to be actually very good
strong gulch
A case for WnR you say. Inch res ting.
fluid knot
Well, its uncapped in how many stacks it can deliver, so outside of hi-int Damn, its not got a lot of value, but when there are large numbers of specials in clusters, you can get a lot of burn out in a relatively decent timeframe for the damage
Burst a Crushers three times, or three once and basically anything around them will be dead in not very long
I will say though, if you only want to use the most-meta stuff out there its not a good pick, but people tend to shit on anything that isnt the most-meta things, take that as you will and dont be afraid to mess about with some of the less used stuff
strong gulch
I got 2 leveled up psykers. I am open to all builds. Meta or meme.
Why 2?
Because I wanted a different colored shirt.
harsh urchin
Unironically telling people to use wrack and ruin ahahaha
magic burrow
fluid knot
Unironically telling people to use wrack and ruin ahahaha
Yes, something that can stack significantly more burn than the Purga even can... useless amirite?
Smh
lyric burrow
Hey i use W&R on my revolver build
plucky flax
Wrack and ruin + laceration for extra meme.
Free fire stacks.
I mean flamer.
Flayer*
fossil lagoon
Does the 15% ult cooldown from psy aura effect your ult as well ?
Or just teammates ?
spice veldt
yours as well
if the psyker with psykinetic's aura gets an elite/special kill, their ult and everyone else in coherency with them gets the ult CDR
in general, you're always in coherency with yourself, though the game will use the phrase "allies in coherency" very inconsistently
fluid knot
There is an almost infinite Brainburst loop with that, but it relies on there being enough elites to pop to pull it off consistently, so again, one of them "only relevant in Hi int/HiSTG" things
brazen warren
neat, can confirm the crit flame stack ilisi is fun
flat moat
anything I should change while using a surge staff?
digital narwhal
Use Kinetic Barrage instead of Quicken, and Psykinetic's Aura instead of Psychic Communion on Surge imo
Kinetic Barrage and Psykinetic's Aura go hard
Gives you more consistent ranged damage in general, even if someone else kills an Elite due to the nature of the Feat, since you can have almost constant uptime on Kinetic Barrage for when you're not Surging
flat moat
kk thanks mate
lyric burrow
Yeah i would at least swap to barrage
ornate hamlet
Warp battery will give you some handy breakpoints that don't need peril micromanaging
hidden crystal
Or Warp Charge micromanaging.
You might not need all those charges to hit the breakpoints, but it means you have longer before your warp charges decay below your threshold.
It can help you get between fights without having to recharge each time you get to one.
regal jasper
Is the blocking taking warp charge instead stamina good at all?
hidden crystal
Yes.
hidden crystal
One thing is that it gives you two pools your block can draw from.
So if you sprint into combat, you might have no stamina, but you probably will have some peril you can block with.
regal jasper
Oh cool
hidden crystal
And also that, if you've just been blocking, you've still got stamina you can use to push.
But particularly with a stamina curio, you can also block a hilarious amount of damage.
I'll often move into a mob to revive someone, will have loads of block to shrug off any light enemies, then still have stamina left to do a load of pushes to stagger the horde to give the other player some breathing room (such as maybe swap weapons or the like).
dense yew
Yaay, my first non-sucky Purgatus staff 
safe crystal
Terrifying barrage into warp flurry, unyielding into flak
The damage stat is really low for a voidstrike, so you might want to consider rolling a new one
If you do, take transfer peril off of this and try to get a staff with transfer peril + warp flurry, with perks ideally being flak + unarmoured
Or, if you want to do a different kind of a build, flak and crit for perks, surge and warp nexus as blessings. This one is a bit more difficult to use, since you would need to stay at high peril to exploit warp nexus
regal jasper
Should i take any of the blessings or just sell the thing if im gonna reroll
fluid knot
Should i take any of the blessings or just sell the thing if im gonna reroll
Take peril transfer if you're gonna and you aint got the T4 version
regal jasper
Aight
upper galleon
spice veldt
devious barrels https://streamable.com/ub5l2a
gloomy gulch
why am I playing revolver wizard with a rashad all the time now. I should just play my vet lol
hidden crystal
I'm going to play gunpsyker at least until grinding up a set of gear for a vet isn't going to be painful.
steel flame
Man i love when steam goes down for no apparent reason
lyric burrow
P sure they do server maintenance around this time
cold geode
steam weekly maintenance is always in the afternoon on tuesdays
hidden crystal
I think I used to know that back when I was into Source Filmmaker more.
Most weeks, on the forum:
"OMG, why is the content workshop down!?"
"It's Tuesday".
steel flame
That sounds like something heretics would say to cover their tracks
fervent zealot
Hi ! I plan on replacing Warp Nexus for Warp Flurry but what would you recommend replacing one of the perks for ?
strong gulch
Hi ! I plan on replacing Warp Nexus for Warp Flurry but what would you recommend...
Flak or unarmored.
I'd swap weak spot out.
hidden crystal
I just cant believe that <@377647770950959108> admitted to making SFM porn back ...
My work was a little classier than that:
cold geode
XD
fervent zealot
Flak or unarmored.
I'd swap weak spot out.
thank you, i'll try my luck after farming a few missions
silent coral
time to be the part of the problem, tbt ive never played gun psyker though
spice veldt
pinning fire + blaze away/inspiring barrage is what you'll want for blessings
silent coral
pinning fire + blaze away/inspiring barrage is what you'll want for blessings
yeah but any advice of which talents to take while gun psyker?
spice veldt
i personally have been running 212233 with the illisi and an inspiring barrage autopistol
steel flame
i personally have been running 212233 with the illisi and an inspiring barrage a...
I'm curious why warp kill Regen and not warp charge Regen?
spice veldt
inspiring barrage feels pretty good enough for me, and i'm comfortable enough with melee to just dive really hard if I need that burst toughness
lunar hollow
i will go where i want to
spice veldt
i'm fairly conservative with using the autopistol so i tend to have some leeway in ammo to use if i ever need to fire at a random wall for toughness
harsh urchin
yeah but any advice of which talents to take while gun psyker?
3-1-1/3-2-3-2 is what I think works best
hidden crystal
yeah but any advice of which talents to take while gun psyker?
My standard gunpsyker build is 111113, but then I tend to run an MG12.
harsh urchin
the only choice which I am conflicted about is the communion vs lacerations
all the other ones are no brainers
hidden crystal
Lacerations only really impacts a comparatively few targets, but Communion will reduce how much time you have to spend trying to keep your warp charges topped up.
harsh urchin
correct
communion basically lets you very freely/aggressive use ult for damage
whereas lacerations makes bossing much much better, at the cost of having to manage warp charges every time you ulti
I personally prefer communion, but I do think lacerations is competitive especially since boss dmg is quite valuable
hidden crystal
Picking Lacerations mostly depends how much you hate bosses, I'd say, as for most other things they'll be dead with two brain bursts anyway. (Particularly if anyone else in the team puts any fire on it).
harsh urchin
yep but my builds in this game are generally oriented towards dealing with things that end runs
ornate hamlet
Lacerations has use with things like purgatus + AB
At least I don't really do much with psykinetic aura when using AB, so mileage may vary
ornate hamlet
yep but my builds in this game are generally oriented towards dealing with thing...
Teamkilling the recon vet
harsh urchin
lacerations is just "bosses die 25% faster"
hidden crystal
yep but my builds in this game are generally oriented towards dealing with thing...
I try not to focus on any one thing too much; given I don't usually have the luxury of being in a co-ordinated team and can't be sure that I'm not about to drop into a game where everyone else has picked exactly the same specialisation.
harsh urchin
that's it lol
steel flame
inspiring barrage feels pretty good enough for me, and i'm comfortable enough wi...
fair enough
ive been meaning to give inspiring barrage a shake after the buff
harsh urchin
inspiring barrage feels pretty good enough for me, and i'm comfortable enough wi...
cue josho posting clip of him playing shield ogryn 🥹
spice veldt
9 out of 10 doctors approve of me fighting ranged enemies
steel flame
it certainly helps your ability to play aggressive when your only protection is to follow the ogryn playing super aggro ogryn
hidden crystal
I try not to focus on any one thing too much; given I don't usually have the lux...
I have been in enough games where everyone's leaned entirely one way with their loadout that I don't regret not overspecialising.
meager plinth
tbh have built-in flaws in your build can be fun
harsh urchin
yeah that's why I only play builds that are good against everything
and that's why I think flamer is dogshit
hidden crystal
It's not unusual that I'm the only person who's brought a weapon with a longer effective range than a loud sneeze.
steel flame
i use lacerations on all my gun builds along with flayer, and i use it on my pitching machine Surge staff build. makes mutants disappear and fucks up bosses and maulers
meager plinth
its really good with flayer tbh
spice veldt
i simply pray that i don't have to fight 3 or more crushers at a dropdown
steel flame
i prefer it on rapid fire stuff because it gives me alot of control over how i proc it, I can reliably fish procs on stuff i need it to be on to delete mutants and ragers and shit and then whatever health is left goes away even faster with lacerations
meager plinth
I use chainsword to help guarantee flayer procs
harsh urchin
flayer shouldve been baseline
meager plinth
nah
harsh urchin
instead of the 1% chance to quell 10
meager plinth
10% to quell 10%?
harsh urchin
yar
steel flame
pls no
hidden crystal
i simply pray that i don't have to fight 3 or more crushers at a dropdown
Play the "shove them all over" game.
steel flame
instead of the 1% chance to quell 10
i need that to save me from my own stupidity
harsh urchin
presss f
spice veldt
yeah i took off my trauma and realized that the fs push-attack is pretty nice
I like battle meditation
it procs frequently enough when i'm illisi-ing a horde
meager plinth
F is on cooldown cuz I used it already to apply 16 soulblaze stacks on everything and im stupid
steel flame
i actually have issues keeping peril up sometimes with illi because battle meditation is quelling faster than i can generate peril
hidden crystal
yeah i took off my trauma and realized that the fs push-attack is pretty nice
The force sword pushes are amazing.
steel flame
and by virtue so is the force push on the las pistol
since its almost the same
i think laspistol has a longer range
on its push
steel flame
5m i think
on pistol
i need to hunt for a new laspistol now that inferno kinda sucks now
thanks for that fatshork
spice veldt
owned
harsh urchin
isnt it still alright against unyielding lol
meager plinth
its like 10-11 meters
harsh urchin
it just doesnt stack infinitely
meager plinth
for the laspistol push
steel flame
god I wish more weapons had warp special
i have wet dreams about the shredder having a force push
steel flame
its like 10-11 meters
it most certainly does not have a 30ft force push
spice veldt
it's a blazing spirit force sword moment
steel flame
fair enough
cosmic sigil
So it's safer to force push the burster with the laspistol than the illisi?
meager plinth
cosmic sigil
I often push and slash
steel flame
its nice for knocking off dogs through floors and walls from the next zipcode over
cosmic sigil
Gonna try that lol
steel flame
10 meters
your are right of course i was just having a lapse of memory
man i really need like 4 more loadout slots
just hurry up and give us 10 or something
harsh urchin
y
meager plinth
there a limit at 4? thats kinda weak
cosmic sigil
5
steel flame
i have 2 trauma builds, a surge build, a purgatus build, 2 void staff builds, and 3 different gun builds
im tired of having to swap stuff around all the time XP
hidden crystal
and by virtue so is the force push on the las pistol
It doesn't have nearly the same power as the push attack on the sword though.
It'll briefly delay lighter enemies, it won't buy several seconds against a crusher.
desert snow
have you tried just mashing push?
hidden crystal
Yes.
steel flame
It doesn't have nearly the same power as the push attack on the sword though.
its the same power as a regular push
but yeah not as strong as the push attack on FS
unreal dust
I didn't even know the stat roll could go that low on a 300+ item
thorn tapir
Nice haha. It just has to add up.
cyan moth
I didn't even know the stat roll could go that low on a 300+ item
level that puppy up
god roll right there wtf
elfin nexus
true duo with laspistol on psyker
it works quite well with kinetic flayer to cut down on the amount of time you spend getting charges
harsh urchin
aite gonna try out my new shredder
harsh urchin
elfin nexus
nice
harsh urchin
i think ghost/hitnrun is very hard to not have
on psyker/zealot
since they can't just press f like vet can
cosmic sigil
I didn't even know the stat roll could go that low on a 300+ item
Heavy revolver
Like this one
cosmic sigil
since they can't just press f like vet can
Zealot has TWBS though
harsh urchin
pinning fire + blaze away/inspiring barrage is what you'll want for blessings
inspiring barrage performs quite well in testing lol
teal needle
Illisi and deimos both very popular. You'll find fans of basically all of the staves
spice veldt
all force swords are nice, but deimos/illisi stand out; Obscurus is just a worse Deimos since...
- It has a worse light combo, having an uppercut as the 2nd light. The 3rd light, the stab, is behind this shitty ass uppercut or 2nd heavy.
- It has no heavy stab.
I personally put purgatus and trauma above the other staffs because of their infinite cleave
the range and suppression of voidstrike isn't much of an advantage over the other staffs if you are accustomed to the movement system (ranged i-frames and all that), and our current subclass has an infinite range single-target for longer ranges should we need it
fluid knot
I personally put purgatus and trauma above the other staffs because of their inf...
I would have said the same a few days ago, but after going back to it Purga is only really useful up until slightly out of melee range and takes time to build up, i'd put it lower than Void because it doesnt effectively eliminate threats that cant be killed with melee and sometimes its better to have that horde mostly dead before it gets close so your team can deal with specials/disablers
steel egret
i think laspistol has a longer range
10 I think is laspistol push
steel flame
Yeah it's 10-11m
steel flame
ive heard voidstrike is objectively the worst
Mmmmm I dunno, after testing all the staves with weird builds and shit I put purge at the bottom, trauma at the top and void and surge just below it in the middle
teal needle
As I said, all of them have fans 😉
steel flame
They are all really good though. None of them are bad
For awhile it felt like surge was a one trick pony that needed to rely on melee for damage
Then I realized the m1 is nasty as hell with it's 500+ damage crits off a 45% crit chance and that it can be spammed with quell canceling to devastating effect
shadow wigeon
IMO Void is only weak when you need to clutch on max difficulty. It is not as versatile as the others. But it’s certainly plenty strong.
whole oxide
it depends what you value more. if you value chasing stats for scoreboard, yeah, voidstrike is fine, but, if you value preventing team-wipes, void is ass
steel flame
Personally I've been having fun with fire void again. It's quite effective, though it's much harder to move around while quell canceling it than with surge or trauma
teal needle
I'm not really sold that any of the staves are especially good at stopping wipes lol
steel flame
Define stopping wipes
I'd like to think they are excellent at stopping team wipe situations from happening in the first place
shadow wigeon
I'm not really sold that any of the staves are especially good at stopping wipes...
Surge/Illisi + deflector is super strong clutch solo. A good trauma user can make lots of space for their team.
whole oxide
what i mean by "stopping team wipes" is situations where the team has lost control of the engagement due to mutants charging through your lines or bombers messing up your movement options, and disablers grabbing 1 or 2 of your team, and theres 10+ crushers/maulers/ragers closing in as well as a horde and multiple flamers
trauma is great at saving that situation, as is surge. purgatus is serviceable, voidstrike literally can't do anything, you have to swap melee
steel flame
I'm mean they are magic but they aren't miracles, though trauma and surge make crushers childs play
Ideally void wants to stay out of melee. It can stagger crushers but only with 70%+ charge direct hit and it won't stagger the surrounding crushers unfortunately. It will however hold rangers and maulers at bay indefinitely as long as you don't blow yourself up
Purgatus can perma stun all three if you quell cancel spam m1 in their face
whole oxide
void can stagger 1 elite at a time with headshots, it can't stagger groups
steel flame
You spam it fast enough you can
whole oxide
the stagger is so short, you can't
you can only perma-stagger one thing by repeatedly hitting it
a group of 5 ragers, you won't perma-stagger
whole oxide
void only does good stagger on the things you directly hit, the AoE stagger literally lasts a split-second
steel flame
You can do it with min charge m2 spam
Id record it but I'm not at my computer
Works on both ragers and the mauler. Not crusher sadly.
ornate hamlet
it's worth mentioning voidstrike's attacks also have suppression and even just mashing m1 into a crowd of shooters already helps a lot
steel egret
I keep getting questions if I'm using macro, but I dont think I fire exactly that fast.
ornate hamlet
with the sheer power of this macro that actually doesn't do anything good for damage because charging a full attack is just 100% better, the horde just stops moving due to suppression
whole oxide
but that's against basic walkers, those aren't ever an actual threat to semi-competent players
void's fantastic at mowing down basic hordes, but, who cares? anyone can manage basic hordes with pretty much any weapon
steel flame
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For me it's pretty easy to do that speed without a macro but I have considered making one a few times just because it's hard to move around and dodge when im going full speed with it
I charge mine for just a tiny bit longer so they tend to pierce a few enemies and explode inside hordes for max fire spread
whole oxide
thats not whats important though, what's important is making lots of light-effects and loud noises so that you're the centre of attention :>
steel flame
I mean sure it makes a lot of noise and pretty lights
But also everything is dead when I'm done
ornate hamlet
Considering the amount of time I dedicated to guns, I think the player is already good against wipes by simply bringing kinetic barrage and psykinetic aura
steel flame
thats not whats important though, what's important is making lots of light-effec...
I mean you aren't wrong. If all I wanted to do was kill everything with as little effort and style as possible I'd just use illi all game and play lawnmower simulator but I find that rather boring and meta
whole oxide
again, see rule above. kinetic barrage isn't a valid choice because it doesn't make light-effects and loud noises for you to flex on your team
you need to make lots of light-effects with ascendent blaze, regardless of how effective it is/isn't, so people notice you
steel flame
Well now you're just being a party pooper
steel flame
you need to make lots of light-effects with ascendent blaze, regardless of how e...
I couldn't give a shit how pretty it all is. I like that play style because it's challenging and it's forcing me to push my mechanical skill to its limit. Call it gaudy or whatever, I find it enjoyable and effective on the highest difficulty this game has to offer
Besides the funny crit noises make my brain jiggle
whole oxide
oh, i'm just memeing, i enjoy voidstrike, and its perfectly fine, but i get slightly annoyed by people claiming it's equally good as others
slow raven
they should really buff run n gun to work with staff secondaries
would actually make it semi usable instead of just total trash
void arch
Sounds busted
slow raven
i think most would probably still pick a damage blessing over it
i would use it though
spice veldt
you can sprint-slide with staffs while casting anyways, so it wouldn't be that drastic of an improvement to be busted
steel flame
Now that would make it worth taking
If run and gun gave you unrestricted movement for the stave including quell id say "now That's a worthwhile blessing slot"
Then we could get rid of mind in motion for something actually useful
Hmmmm
What would be a good peril related perk to go with the other two in that row slot to replace mind in motion?
Movement speed bonus with high peril could be fun
whole oxide
A feat that turns slide into a short teleport would be amazing
fluid knot
it depends what you value more. if you value chasing stats for scoreboard, yeah,...
If you're hunting for yellow numbers you take Purge mate lol
It'll nearly always outdamage all the others over the course of a game because it can apply its damage to so many things with ease
That doesnt always mean you'll be topping out on kills mind, just that it spreads it damage about super well, which can be a decent benifit if you have an Ogg or Zealot to mop up
whole oxide
I agree, but, I was just addressing the reason why people take Void, which is "but I do so much damage into hordes", the reason is never "i prevent my team from wiping"
fluid knot
Idk... you can clutch with all the staves if you're familiar with em
Its easier with Trauma, but the other three are far from un-clutchable
whole oxide
sure, and you can run HISG with a grey devilclaw and recon lasgun, doesn't mean you should tell people they're efficient
fluid knot
Thats a very disengenous example.. None of the staves we currently have are bad, in fact, though we rank them, they're collectively better than like 80% of all the other ranged options on other classes
You'll have a hard time clutching games with a Graia BAG/IAG, but not staves
whole oxide
I agree, they're all good, but some are gooderer than others, and if you want a semi-optimal team composition, rather than just having fun (which is totally fine), you'd never pick void
golden tartan
Eh void is fine in semi optimal
Its still A tier
Like im assuming MG12 fits in semi optimal though
And u would take void over mg 12
fluid knot
Its fine not to like it, but don't go telling people its a bad pick lol, if you only wanna use meta stuff, then yes Trauma all the way, but thats obvious
fluid knot
And u would take void over mg 12
Tbh only guns i would consider taking over any of the staves on Psyker would be Laspistol or Revolver
whole oxide
on psyker, i'd takd void over a mg12 yes, but not over a mg12 vet
fluid knot
Messed about with Agi' IAG for a while, but meh, its kinda doodoo on Psyker
golden tartan
Eh i would take a void psyker over a MG12 vet unless i have no other vets
And thats purely cos of the vet passive ammo regen
MG12 is a mid A weapon atm
Honestly low A tbh
whole oxide
I'm always happy to see one, since I'm pretty much never on team which have a lack of horde-clear or elite-killers, but I'm frequently on teams which lack someone doing good work managing shooters
golden tartan
MG12 is pretty mediocre vs stalkers
And isnt good vs shooters either
U get a lot more mileage out of many other guns at anti shooter
MG12's main thing is it shreds maniacs
fluid knot
I mean to be fair, so does MKIV, but it is arguably better at shooter clear, lower damage per shot, but it puts it out there super fuckin fast
fluid knot
There is a saddening volume of stuff like that tbh
Psyker has it good with Illisi and Deimos, they only get better as you improve as a player, but particularly a lot of the more meta melee weapons in their current state on other characters have a skill ceiling an inch above the carpet
golden tartan
Shredder
fluid knot
Yep Shredder, another example
whole oxide
Shredder on zealot/psyker is okay, very strong, but not too crazy, it's Vet feats that take it into omega-busted
fluid knot
Its just not ok in its current form on any class
Being able to drop maniacs in less than a second on most occasions just aint it
golden tartan
Shredder is OPAF on everyone lol
fluid knot
Whilst having a PF Boltgun in the game kinda takes a lot of the fun out of it, it actually makes sense, being a high-caliber weapon with an explosive tipped projectile, Shredder is at best a .45 an shits on everything