psyker-class

[shadow onyx]

charm is 10/10

[plucky flax]

I'm getting charm 100%

[grizzled iris]

There is only 1 charm worth using... and that is Winged Liberty to display that we serve the Astra Militarium

[gilded magnet]

wait is that the helmet from the first bundle?

[grizzled iris]

Yes

[mild lotus]

new gear in sell?

[meager plinth]

Ye

[mild lotus]

meh, nothing too interesting

[meager plinth]

gas mask has unique hair cutting

[mild lotus]

Hadron just told me this: "Existence seems so much more agreeable after our discussions."

[meager plinth]

That means that she wants to kill herself when she talks to us and is glad we are going away from here

Not that she has a new and positive outlook on life

[mild lotus]

It's different with me.

[oblique hemlock]

Hadron hates that she loves us, what can I say?

[restive slate]

Tsundere mommy Hadron

Yandere stalker Trapper

Also nice Vizviepop style profile pic

[oblique hemlock]

Too bad for her, I'm already taken by my beloved, he speaks to me in my mind!

And thank you!

[shadow quartz]

I was told just once that I was a good varlet. Never felt myself happier than that day

[grizzled iris]

She were being sarcastic

[mild lotus]

That's just you.

[shadow quartz]

No. It was after I blessed my weapons. She told me something like "get back to your service now, good varlet".

[oblique hemlock]

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE, IT'S SPECIAL

[lyric burrow]

Tide games are meant to be difficult right? I had a friend arguing that fatshark might be keeping stuff like pinning fire/slaughterer/brutal momentum etc in the game as is because they don't actually care if the games hard since its pve but ive always assumed these games were meant to be challenging however this is my first tide game so i dont actually know for sure

I just hear everyone talk as if a challenge was intended

[oblique hemlock]

I always understood it as it's supposed to be difficult

And I played all the Tide games

[lyric burrow]

Thats what i assumed

He was just saying simply because its a tide game doesn't mean it has to still be hard like vt2 was

But im pretty sure fatshark wants it to be hard and just messed up balancing

And are being slow to fix it

[spice veldt]

that's my same thought as well

it doesn't need to be ball-bustingly difficult, but it's pretty apparent that those blessings are far and apart much better than many other blessings

difficulty is whatever fatshark wants it to be, but it's more easily demonstrable that those blessings are cracked

[lyric burrow]

Another argument was the difficulty is in getting a good weapon which is true partially but thats clearly not working and theyve even eluded to possibly changing it

So i kinda doubt that as well

If blessing balance wasnt so all over the place id almost agree with him but as i said i think they just don't know how to balance some stuff, esp when theyve given us stuff like hi int shock troop to challenge those of us that consistently clear damnation +

[spice veldt]

yeah the whole thing reeks of incompetence/lack of time rather than intentionality

and there's the same of the current perk reroll system where you have to just spam click it, which is a consequence of when the costs were intended to be increasing

so you have these demonstrable changes from what has been said in the past

[lunar hollow]

fatshark straight up isn't good at balancing

[spice veldt]

and the game is separated into different difficulties, so they can always just tweak that

[lunar hollow]

you can ask someone like aquila who iirc has worked with fatshark on weapons and given feedback and whatnot, they're just not good at understanding the meta of the game and why things are good

you had this problem in vt2 where you wanted swift slaying on everything

there's no way to know what intention fatshark had for their ideal difficulty, because a lot of the game is the way it is because of time crunch and the absolute organizational mess that is fatshark

[mild lotus]

difficulty is not the better answer to me

meaningful content would be

it's ok if the game doesn't meet you with a stupidly punishing wall of difficulty that forces you to stick to a strict min-maxing meta as it would drive away the bigger part of the population and it would never compare to actually handing out interesting things to do with the game other than spamming the random new diff 5 mission that pops up very 30 minutes

the chaos wastes mode of VM2 looked to be interesting for instance, never got to try it but a randomly generated routes of levels to clear with gear to pick up along the way sounds like something that would keep me playing for a good while

[oblique hemlock]

Oh absolutely, I've wanted that on DT since day 1

[mild lotus]

also, the more you build your game around impossibly hard difficulty, the more you're artificially destoying the depth of your gear system, we're supposed to be fighting with OUR created character, using OUR obtained or crafted gear and having OUR chosen abilities

[spice veldt]

difficulty usually means better rewards so there's that risk vs reward aspect as well

[mild lotus]

more difficulty just means stricter meta which in turn means less ans less worthwhile variations in gameplay

[lunar hollow]

the great thing is you don't have to delete sedition to make the hardest game modes harder/add more

[spice veldt]

sure, but you could also just play on lower difficulties

damnation isn't the only difficulty

even on other games like Dead Cells, you aren't forced to run boss cells

[mild lotus]

that's a false argument since the way a studio handles its game is often time the way the playerbase will evolve its way of viewing and playing the game

[spice veldt]

i mean i'm not arguing against the fact that higher difficulty = stricter meta, but I'm saying that you can also play on a lower difficulty to avoid the stricter meta

[mild lotus]

if fatshark ships new difficulty every 6 months, each harder than the last, what do you think will happen? will the playerbase become meta centric and insufferably toxic or will it enjoy trying new things without caring much for min-maxing gear?

[lunar hollow]

they're not going to do that

fatshark doesn't even work that fast

[spice veldt]

i'm not proposing adding new difficulties constantly

nor am i arguing for a ball-bustingly hard difficulty

[lunar hollow]

the most we're likely to get is dif 6 and red weapons like how winds of magic added cata

[mild lotus]

today maybe, in 2 years if the game keeps going the difficulty way the playerbase will just follow the new content that is given

who plays in diff 1 and 2 in a game after 3 years of release?

[lunar hollow]

the die-hard playerbase that sticks with the game in spite of playercounts dwindling and a lack of content naturally tend to gravitate towards more difficult gameplay

[spice veldt]

new players (if darktide ever gets them)

[lunar hollow]

it's how you ended up with DWONS modded realms in vt2. people wanted a challenge and the normal game didn't provide it anymore

[mild lotus]

my point being, telling people to go in diff 1 and 2 to avoid the strict meta is a band aid on a rotten leg

[lunar hollow]

can't really do modded realms in darktide

[mild lotus]

if your game takes the difficulty route, the community will follow

and the rest will become uninteresting

[spice veldt]

i'm not sure what argument you're responding to

[lunar hollow]

this is a problem you're never going to fix, especially not with fatshark. there will always be the meta for what weapons and builds to use

game devs aren't omniscient and fatshark devs hardly seem to know what's going on with their own game a lot of the time

[mild lotus]

not talking about destroying the meta, I'm talking about not encouraging the following of a meta

if you hand out content that incites you to follow a strict meta in order to enjoy said content, the depth of your game will be hurt with each new update

[spice veldt]

obviously content that caters to a niche portion of your playerbase is not going to mesh well with the majority of your players

[lunar hollow]

like i said, the people who keep playing this game inevitably want more challenge because the standard content gets boring. they're not literally just going to release new mission modifiers

they haven't been doing that

[mild lotus]

not even going into the fact that in 2-3 years, the remaining playerbase will all be in the highest difficulty possible for the most part and the lower diffs will become barren of life so telling people to go there is just telling them to go play alone

[lunar hollow]

it would be really strange if they just decided that maps and weapons and subclasses are subpar compared to adding Higher Intensity Extra Shocking Troop Gauntlet

[spice veldt]

i mean unless they so tightly tune the weapons or make them so ubiquitous, there will probably be a noticeable meta and people are going to use it

it's not an easily solved problem, and I don't expect them to do such drastic changes to weapon balance

[lunar hollow]

they also just won't get it right

[mild lotus]

there's two ways to view "new challenge": could be something harder than before or something different

[lunar hollow]

nope. modifiers like hounds and sniper gauntlet suck

get old real fast

if fatshark were to ever release new enemies (presumably fairly likely, considering vt2 got beastmen), maybe, but until then all they do is take one enemy and spam it a bunch or make it harder to see

[mild lotus]

what I mean is if you go the "something harder" route you're dooming yourself to make the meta more strict with each update

[spice veldt]

and players are always going to stick to certain difficulties more often

[oblique hemlock]

New things like that are so easy to implement because they can just change a few things and pretend it's new

[spice veldt]

you see this reflected on the mission board, where heresy and malice missions have 4 missions each

compare that to damnation which only has 3 missions at a time

[mild lotus]

while something different won't necessarily make the meta more strict unless you fuck up real bad

[spice veldt]

or sedition which only has 2 missions at a time

it's natural for players to progress, and players not populating the lower difficulties is primarily either a sign that the game is too old or that the developers are not doing enough to attract new players

[mild lotus]

no a reason to make an even higher difficulty with an even lower margin of variation if you want to be able to beat it

[spice veldt]

i mean just have it there for the players who want to try it

there are two incentives for higher difficulties--the challenge and the reward; and they can always tweak those two things so that players don't feel forced to run it (because of the higher reward)

[mild lotus]

what reward exactly?

xp?

dockets?

[spice veldt]

i think you overestimate the skill progression of the vast majority of players

materials

[lunar hollow]

plasteel

[mild lotus]

those aren't an issue

[spice veldt]

yes they are

i used to farm malice back when mats weren't as much

[lunar hollow]

dockets and plasteel certainly are and that's a big complaint of a bunch of people who put #breakthelocks in their name

[spice veldt]

i only started going to damnation primarily once they buffed mats

so at least speaking for myself, rewards do matter

[mild lotus]

a chaos wastes like gamemode to gather ressources would be way more rewarding and interesting than difficulty and meta hell that would be the turbo ultradamantion exterminatus difficulty

[spice veldt]

sure but that's a whole different argument

i don't disagree with that

[lunar hollow]

chaos wastes would fucking suck with how weapons work in this game lmao

you'd end up with shit that has like crit and headshot damage and hammerblow and thunderstrike

[spice veldt]

i really do not get what you're responding to

i don't think anyone has said that difficulty is the best form of content to be added

[mild lotus]

no but everyone wants the new difficulty it seems

it won't fix anything

[lunar hollow]

'everyone' as in the people here

[spice veldt]

yeah because it's an extension of what we can already see

[lunar hollow]

who are often at like

1000 hours

[spice veldt]

it's easy to talk about and be reminded of it

something like newer unseen content is harder to imagine and discuss

[lunar hollow]

or you have to remind yourself what you can see probably isn't what you're getting

unless its the datamined premium cosmetics

[spice veldt]

and also, fatshark has been tweaking the difficulty and added that whole elite resistance modifier

i think it's fairly justified and appropriate to talk about difficulty

[mild lotus]

if you keep talking about the same thing, chances are that's what you'll get if fatsharks cares to read forums and the likes

[spice veldt]

and also because I don't like to talk about things that fatshark are unlikely to add in the near future

[lunar hollow]

not really true?

there's already a dif 6 in the files

and red weapons

this stuff seems fairly predetermined to happen at some point

[spice veldt]

i mean i hope that they're good enough to decipher that we want new stuff

[lunar hollow]

hell we've been talking for months about how bad shield, recon, and revo are and they only recently did something about it

[mild lotus]

I'm talking about what may come after

[lunar hollow]

there likely won't be anything after

[spice veldt]

relying on a pure proportional analysis of what people are talking about is just going to put yourself in pain

[lunar hollow]

they'll release more subclasses and maps and stuff

that's most of the content fatshark puts out

[spice veldt]

i'm not going to change the things that I naturally talk about in some weird attempt to game what i want from fatshark

it's not as though fatshark has the resources to do literally whatever they want or to make wrongful analyses

[lyric burrow]

Ok they now agree it was meant to be hard however i had to tell them how fatshark operates/how they dont really understand things and they no longer want to try the game 😭

[spice veldt]

won the battle but lost the war

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i agree theres things more important than difficulty atm i just want to be pushed further to improve/become a better player

Not that im perfect

[hidden crystal]

I wouldn't mind the current rate of dockets and plasteel if the locks weren't so horrible. I'd be okay with slowly watching the armoury for that new weapon with great stats and then polishing it up... if Hadron didn't ruin them every fragging time.

More sockets and plasteel would just be a workaround to bulldozer the punishing system, rather than an actual fix for it.

[karmic reef]

is cerebral lacerations actually a decent choice?

I didnt realize it doesnt increase peril

[meager plinth]

100%

The bonus damage is really nice for bigger targets

[hidden crystal]

It's useful on monstrosities, and might get you a break point for dealing with some elites in two BBs rather than three on high difficulties, but it does have opportunity cost.

Psychic Communion does a lot to stop you having to play the warp charge mini game, as it'll often reset your timer without needing you to BB, and Psykinetic's Aura can massively increase the frequency you and your team can use your ults.

The true answer will depend a lot on what you want to combine it with and your preferred style.

[lyric burrow]

If you bb a lot probably a good option otherwise I wouldn't

Without communion i never have warp charges cause im not bbing frequently enough 99% of the time and i want to have my charges up for when i activate barrage/for general damage purposes

[steel flame]

too bad they missed. catachan swords and dueling swords,

[lunar hollow]

they missed a lot of things really

[steel flame]

oh and the rashad axes terrible headshot hitbox

[lunar hollow]

oh they fixed that

a while ago

[steel flame]

oh nice

ill have to try it then

i must have missed those patchnotes

i hope they do a blessing overhaul instead of just a passing buff here buff there,

make some new blessings for stuff with only 3

[fluid knot]

Catachans aint as bad as they get shit for in all honesty

Sure, they're not OP or nothin, but theyre fun an you can actually complete missions with em

[steel flame]

GIVE ME MOTHER FUCKING BLAZING SPIRIT 4 ON MY TRAUMA STAVES, YOU @#(&$#)@$%(@W @#)($#$()@# $#)$(@

[meager plinth]

[hidden crystal]

One thing I've also often forgotten when I'm not using Communion is that your warp charges also influence the power of your ult. Not having a large stack of charges makes it a fair bit weaker.

[spice veldt]

they made a recent unlisted change that makes your ult scale off of your peril now

[meager plinth]

In the previous patch ye

[fluid knot]

I swear it used to an then stopped doing so at some point Arco

[spice veldt]

maybe

i don't think i've seen people remark on it scaling with peril before

i do like it scaling with peril now to add a bit more of dimensionality to peril management

i would love it even more if they knew to write changes into the patch notes

[mild lotus]

I want a feat that helps keeping peril high

it goes down so fast

[lyric burrow]

Hey one thing at a time here let's not ask for too much

[steel flame]

immesurably complex

[fluid knot]

Thing is.. stuff like that isnt even fluff

They dont need to tell us they've fixed minor bits of clipping in cosmetics, but they DO need to tell us when core gameplay functions have been edited

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/kazuhira-miller-they-played-us-like-gif-25533461

real picture of men aged 30 and above when working in retail for more than 5 years

[mild lotus]

There's no reason for them not to tell us already, I strongly believe their management is so poor that they often don't know exactly what is shipped whenever it gets a bit too subtle.

[fluid knot]

Either that or the devs are taking shit into their own hands and fixing the game in spite of shitty management

[mild lotus]

Why would they tell half the story if they didn't want to share? Might just not say anything at all and ship updates without patchnotes if they don't want to tell us.

[fluid knot]

See; Recent, and very obvious, melk+ shop buff

[hidden crystal]

(Apparently hasn't noticed the obvious, but to be honest my play has been pretty erratic recently, as the game seems to have become even less stable for me of late).

[lyric burrow]

Honestly id be ok with this

[mild lotus]

I hope they'll expnd the story at some point

[fluid knot]

Eh, more in-game stuff like voicelines and backstory would be good, but i dont care for the cutscene type storytelling myself

I like 2077s way of doing it, because you actually feel involved in the world tbf, but DT's is so ridiculously impersonal and you have zero decision making elements

[mild lotus]

Vermintide didn't give you choices either

[fluid knot]

At that point, spend the resouces on gameplay and things that improve it, not arbitrary impersonal storytelling that often only makes a modicum of sense at best

DT is in severe need of gameplay content, we're not playing it for story, we're playing it because its fun to crack 'eretic skulls in a 40k setting

[mild lotus]

no point in investing yourself in a senseless trash mob bashing if there's no story behind it tie it all, might as well go back to vermintide

[fluid knot]

L4D didnt have a story, people played it because it was a good game

[mild lotus]

that's completely false though

[fluid knot]

Not really lol

Or rather, noone played it for the story

[mild lotus]

there was a clear line that tied every campaign

[fluid knot]

Gameplay first, thats where the TLC needs to be spent in DT

[fresh panther]

I think the story in l4d was still obvious and cohesive enough to contribute to the gameplay / environment

[mild lotus]

the story justifies sending you to new areas of Tertium and maybe later other area of Atoma prime

no story would make each new mission be even more senseless

[fresh panther]

Like "the sacrifice" makes the storyline elements there pretty clear for example

[mild lotus]

simple story doesn't equal to no story

I don't want to be sent in some mission without introduction just to bash mobs and repeat at nauseum

[fluid knot]

And those elements can be present in mission, See; Riser

We dont need cutscenes taking up more dev time when the game is dying due to lack of content

[mild lotus]

devs don't do cutscenes

[fluid knot]

The point being, it eats resources that could be better spent elsewhere

[mild lotus]

more like, people responsible for gameplay improvements don't make the cutscenes nor do they write the story

[mild lotus]

not how it works

[fluid knot]

Excatly how it works, these things cost money, which in turn is then not being spent where it needs to be

[mild lotus]

resources management in video game development isn't as easy as "don't put money in cutscenes so it makes more for balance"

if the people that work on cutscenes aren't the same as people that work on balancing and gameplay improvement, not paying the former won't make the later more productive or work faster

the budget simply isn't the same

[harsh urchin]

it is though lol

ultimately you have a set amount of resources

and even though it's not the same people working on two different things

investing more into one means less effort in another

[mild lotus]

in software development, resources doesn't mean budget

resources mean people

[harsh urchin]

yes.. and you have a set amount of resources lmao

so putting more devs onto gameplay for example, means less in other areas

and vice versa

[mild lotus]

people that make cutscenes don't necessarily code

same goes for people writing stories

[harsh urchin]

yes but if you put resources into that

it means less resources into dev

even if it's not the same people

you're still dealing with allocations

[mild lotus]

at best you can stop paying your animators and writers so that effectively the company spends a bit less on the work force overall but that will not make your coders wrok better or faster

and if you come to this to survive as a company, it means you're alrady pretty much bankrupt

[harsh urchin]

that's not really how it works lol

ultimately it's an opportunity cost

you can't have everything

so if you think one thing is more important, you prioritize it and other things are deprioritized

[mild lotus]

actually yes, you need a bit of everything else it means you're unprepared and will have to resort to contractors

[harsh urchin]

you might hire more X and hire less Y

no because if you try to have everything then you hit budget constraints lol

[mild lotus]

hiring isn't that easy in a domain that already lacks work force

[harsh urchin]

but the problem here is moreso about budget

than lack of work force

[mild lotus]

you can't just decide like that that you will stop paying X and hire more Y because there simply isn't enough people to hire more Y at a given point

[harsh urchin]

well yes you can lmfao

that's literally what you have to do

[mild lotus]

• it means all the X you stop paying are basically jobless

[harsh urchin]

when you have a budget

you pick your priorities

and shuffle things accordingly

[mild lotus]

you seem to no know how budget allocation works in a software dev company

[harsh urchin]

speaking from my personal experience

as an engineering manager

who manages 8 software engineers at a big tech company

yes I have no clue lul

[mild lotus]

you manage a team and try to make it pass as company budget management

completely different

[harsh urchin]

it's not company budget, you literally pick and choose what you can and cannot work on

because it's impossible to do everything

[mild lotus]

we don't solely talk about software engineers here, it's about animators, writers and everything you need to develop a game

[harsh urchin]

i think you're talking from too idealistic a standpoint lol

[mild lotus]

idealistic sure

[hidden crystal]

Fatshark can't dynamically adapt their workforce. This isn't something where you hire and lay off people dependent on what you need to do that week. On the longer term they can maybe decide "hey we need more animators, we'll train up some of the model rigging team so they can move between departments", or "hey, hire some new cosmetic artists", but people do have individual skills, and doing things like putting the modelmakers to work on the coding does not make the coding faster, it just means awful code.

[harsh urchin]

in the real world we don't have infinite money to spend

so we have so pick and choose which areas of the workforce we invest into

and the choices that are made are long-term

[mild lotus]

literally telling you it sin't that easy to simply say good bye to every animators to the profit of more budget in programming

so idealistic of me

[harsh urchin]

no shit, but you can downsize the animation team for example

if you feel like another area is a higher priority

and what ends up happening is that the animation quality may suffer

[mild lotus]

if you come to this, you already failed basically

[harsh urchin]

i dont think so lol

part of software eng is making tradeoffs

if giving up something to prioritize something else is failing, then it's impossible to succeed

[mild lotus]

• hiring programmers won't make the work of the team that much better right away since they'l need formation and learn what's already in place

that's several months at best

[harsh urchin]

yeah but you're not making these decisions at a fly lmao

[mild lotus]

but the game needs improvement now

[harsh urchin]

you're making these decisions like 6 months in advance

like in december when fatshark was like "we're sorry we're gonna try to make the game better"

[mild lotus]

then why are you saying things such as "just downsize the animators team lol"

[harsh urchin]

it's gonna take 6-12 months from THAT point on

nobody is saying that except you dude

[mild lotus]

just me I guess

[harsh urchin]

i think that's a pretty reasonable statement when not taken out of context

[mild lotus]

you're trying to make me pass as the idealistic one here

make up your mind

[harsh urchin]

talking to you is giving me brain rot

bye

[mild lotus]

shared feeling

[meager plinth]

Enemies to enemies to lovers

[fluid knot]

As with every major project, indeed

100%

[reef apex]

Dude im cosndidering reamking my psyker and picking the girl

cause she has better lines but

im gonna have to level again from level 1

i dont get why you cant change genders on the barber chirurgeon

[white sky]

Cause he was a last minute thing iirc

[hidden crystal]

We can completely change your ethnicity, which has zero effect on game play, but your height (which does affect gameplay) is too much of an ask...

[reef apex]

Wait it does? whats better on height?

cause i think i made all my characters tall

[hidden crystal]

Being taller means you can see over more stuff (including mobs, which can make picking off specials and elites easier), being shorter means you can hide behind cover better.

[reef apex]

ah ok

[spice veldt]

i wonder if height affects melee range

if it does, then i'd crank my height up whenever that becomes possible

and then i can insult people for having short arms

[lunar hollow]

imagine not being max height already

lil weak arms

[spice veldt]

alright buddy

[hidden crystal]

Short works quite well for psykers, as a lot of their staffs aren't really affected by line of sight, and it means you can play jack-in-the-box brain bursts behind more walls. (Pop up, lock target, duck, wait for head to explode, repeat).

[mild lotus]

regular height suits me well

[spice veldt]

i am occasionally sad when i am too short to sightline a sniper over a horde

and then i jump, and then i get skeeted

[lunar hollow]

i heightmax in all games

i am not compensating

[spice veldt]

i let my character be randomized

[lunar hollow]

i sculpt the physique and appearance of all characters

which is to say i randomized until i got an appearance i liked and tweaked it a little then set height to max

[hidden crystal]

I think I made my psyker minimum or near minimum height. Which is sometimes a pain when playing gunpsyker, because everyone loves to block your line of sight.

[harsh urchin]

well why dont you go to your barber irl

and ask him to change that 😛

real answer is probably that changing gender+voice wasn't a requirement when they added it

[meager plinth]

or that it is immesurably complex

[meager plinth]

my barber cannot make change my face 17 times in 2 minutes

[thick carbon]

for surge, should I be using Warp Nexus or Focused Channeling?

[fluid knot]

Deffo 5.2 irl

[fluid knot]

Nexus pal

[thick carbon]

okay, good. then I don't need to change anything lol

also for Trauma, what should I be using if I don't have Focused channeling just yet? Would Rending Shockwave, Blazing Spirit or Surge work okay?

[spice veldt]

p much rending shockwave if you're not running warp nexus in the other blessing slot since trauma's crit chance is too low by default to make good usage of Blazing Spirit and Surge doesn't work on Trauma's RMB

although i suppose that rending shockwave has dubious usage if your teammates aren't aware of it

[fluid knot]

Nothin to stop you sayin in chat thats what you have tho and making people aware of it

It can change the pace of a game pretty substantially after all

[reef apex]

Are you daring me?

[short dust]

Is it the shop or do they new cosmetics have no physics?

[plucky flax]

The hand charm's got physics.

[mild lotus]

It's physically ugly.

[plucky flax]

[ornate hamlet]

the only physics I want is horse ball physics

[short dust]

Eh, i like the simplicity and that its a bit smaller, arms free, thats just way to expensive for what you get

[mild lotus]

Slaanesh cultist spotted

[ornate hamlet]

it's scientifically accurate

[lunar hollow]

where are the horses then

huh

[short dust]

you clearly wear it as a charm

[lunar hollow]

[ornate hamlet]

HOLY SIGMAR, RAVAGE THIS BLESSED BODY

[lunar hollow]

more like

ravage this body

[ornate hamlet]

his body isn't blessed

[lunar hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-yourself-fish-kys-gif-14092708955095955883

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/kys-keep-yourself-safe-low-tier-god-gif-24664025

[mild lotus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/831865112104140801/1108601073897324625/Temp.gif

[lunar hollow]

weird thing to open this channel to

[mild lotus]

weird thing to always be making the tallest possible character

[lunar hollow]

it's not.

[reef apex]

Wrong game mah brother in the emperor, thats fantasy warhammer

[steel flame]

Clearly one of our siblings has lost control and the warp is now pouring into psyker chat

[plucky perch]

the fact that a fully charged void strike cant reliably one shot shooters is infuriating X3

[harsh urchin]

does it not with +flak?

[rain saddle]

gunker go brr?

[harsh urchin]

51%

[rain saddle]

kekw

[analog solstice]

Inspiring barrage, crit damage and low stopping power dude

[oblique hemlock]

I wanna use a staff but right now my machine pistol is cracked compared to even my best staves

[meager plinth]

goofy

lil granny

[mild lotus]

this is a critical fail of the drip check

[meager plinth]

nah nah, this is peak drip

[mild lotus]

even ogryn find this stupid

[meager plinth]

Im on the granny grindset

[mild lotus]

"I am ogryn and I find this stupid"

see?

he said the words

[meager plinth]

ogryns cant use words silly

[mild lotus]

this is a bon'ead

[crude cape]

Should I keep this as my deflector deimos, and roll another for unstable power, and put slaught 4 on it.
or should I just drop deflector 2 and put unstable 4 now, so it has unstable 4/slaught 3

[meager plinth]

depends on how much you want deflector, but unstable is really recommended

you could even replace slaught with unstable if you wanna

[crude cape]

ya hmm'

hard decision

ultimately i don't want +1 stamina

but since i have it, it synergizes a bit with deflector

so im inclined to keep this one as my def + slaught one

i always thought slaughty > unstable tbh

[lyric burrow]

id keep slaught just cause it lets it horde clear with lights

[harsh urchin]

could actually consider dropping slaught

if your staff can handle hordes fine

and just doing unstable+deflector

[lyric burrow]

oh true

if your running purg or something youll be fine

[fossil lagoon]

best illisi blessings ?

[meager plinth]

slaughterer/unstable

[spice veldt]

or deflector instead of unstable if that floats your boat more

[meager plinth]

bloodthirsty can also work

[steel flame]

for diemos?

i absolutely dislike bloodthirsty on diemos

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/gentleman-giga-chad-sigma-male-gif-25702945

the plasma vet when he shoots the random poxwalker i was trying to refresh my BB stacks with

[gloomy gulch]

thanks hadron for not messing up but too bad about the damange almost perfect tbh

[somber spindle]

anyone wanna play channel 5

[gloomy gulch]

do i uh even need to reroll anything here lol

[steel flame]

well you have a perfect opprotunity here

replace flurry with Blazing Spirit 3

roll unarmored to 5% crit chance

and embrace the Fire Trauma Wizard Gang

[gloomy gulch]

lol

well I have one of those as well but warp nexus 3 instead 😄

it is pretty fun ngl

[steel flame]

nexus 4 is worlds better

man that 4% more crit chance makes all the difference in the world

besides fire trauma doesnt care much about the damage stat

shit i wish i had one that good

[somber spindle]

anyone wanna play??

[steel flame]

sure why not

[steel flame]

long as its damnation 😛

[somber spindle]

chsannel 5 b

[somber spindle]

channel 5 b

[steel flame]

5 b?

[steel flame]

what is this 5b of which you speak

GREAT QUALITY CONTROL FATSHARK

really gettin a handle on that clipping arent they

[steel flame]

hullo?

oh well

gave up a hi intensity trying to figure out what you wanted

well im just go go play then

[plucky flax]

Why not? Do you never full charge?

[steel flame]

i do for knockin stuff down

[gloomy gulch]

Did you see my low damage almost perfect trauma above

sad but neat

[plucky flax]

I have 80% damage on my blaze trauma. I wouldn't want like below 70% ish personally

[steel flame]

youre only losing 20 damage

[plucky flax]

Yeah I saw alvl. Shame about the damage if you could just swap 1 modifier around

[gloomy gulch]

right

so close I just rolled it to try to get more perks tbh

[steel flame]

shit id take that one

[plucky flax]

Yeah only 20 damage but you have loads of feats that will scale with that 20 damage

Warp unleashes, warp charge, perk

[steel flame]

sadly all ive got is this

truly meh

[plucky flax]

Sadge perk

[steel flame]

but honestly though its pretty much perfect

with it was 25% flak though

[plucky flax]

[steel flame]

but with how much i rolled to get this i think its as good as im gonna get

[gloomy gulch]

what is the dump stat for the trauma

[steel flame]

there isnt one

quell speed maybe

but i wouldnt go below 60

[spice veldt]

360 dmg is good nuff for one-shotting all non-elite/special trash (with the help of feats/perks)

[plucky flax]

How much damage is 360?

[gloomy gulch]

mine is 361 so

[plucky flax]

[spice veldt]

difference between an 80% and 60% quell speed staff is roughly 0.5 seconds when quelling from 100% to 0% (2.25 seconds vs 2.75 seconds) which isn't much, but there's also a BP at 100% peril where an 80% quell speed staff only needs to quell 2 ticks for a full charge and with leeway whereas with a 60% quell speed staff you need to quell three ticks for a full charge and with some leeway

360 dmg is just 60% damage

since it scales from 300 to 400

[plucky flax]

My staff can 2 shot mauler with full charge

X doubt for a low damage one.

[spice veldt]

a mauler has something along the lines of 1.8k HP so I'm not sure how you're doing that

[plucky flax]

Maybe lucky with crit.

[spice veldt]

and trauma has enough stagger that I don't consider it's damage particularly important unless it's missing out on some serious breakpoints

[plucky flax]

4 warp charges, high peril warp unleashes, 25% flak

[spice veldt]

I don't use it as my main weapon

oh right buffs

[gloomy gulch]

well then thanks arco for making me feel better about the bad damage 😄

[plucky flax]

[spice veldt]

time to see how much hp maulers have

fucking loadouts crashing my game

[meager plinth]

Another bug?

[spice veldt]

yeah they have exactly 1.8k hp; 80% dmg trauma deals 770 dmg with 4 wc, warp unleashed at 100% peril, +25% flak, and a crit

not enough a 2-shot

[meager plinth]

What if you have 10% elite damage?

[ornate hamlet]

sus

[meager plinth]

Close but not good enough

[plucky flax]

Guess my mauler got a stay hit from some dood

[gloomy gulch]

maybe your bb went off on it

[plucky flax]

I don't run flayer when playing blaze trauma

Burn baby burn

[spice veldt]

there is a bp at 71% dmg for one-shotting poxwalkers with 2 warp charges; any lower and you need 3 warp charges or more

and easier to reach 450 dmg for one-shotting dreg bruisers if running warp battery (or warp unleashed) with 380 dmg

mix of quell speed and damage between 60 and 80 up until how comfortable you are with damage BPs i suppose

[gloomy gulch]

dang

that is quite a lot of info thanks

[spice veldt]

a part of my rationale for dumping damage is that the outer area is likely to ding enemies as well even if it does but a modicum of damage

though you could make that same argument for the mauler case, but those numbers were assuming two crits in a row

shotgunners I suppose, since they have 750 HP and come very close to getting annihilated with enough buffa

[steel flame]

aight Hadron, try not to ruin this one pls

[spice veldt]

prepare to get fucked

[ornate hamlet]

utterly assblasted

[steel flame]

get wrekt

[spice veldt]

warp nexus at least

very sad

[steel flame]

im pretty happy with that

[plucky flax]

No flurry?

[steel flame]

im doing quell cancelling m1 with it

[plucky flax]

[steel flame]

infinite stuns, about the same application rate

[plucky flax]

Big brain

[steel flame]

blinds teammates

11/10

i could stick flurry on there if i felt like it

or go full meme and do run and gun, mind in motion

sprint around flaming everyone and my teammates

too bad you cant sprint quell with mind in motion

😛

[strong gulch]

I know vets not using their melee is a meme, but then there's an axe only vet with ammo and shooters are about. 🙃

[thick carbon]

is run n gun good for Purgatus?

[near wyvern]

Not really outside of memeing. You can slide into LMB quell cancel to achieve somewhat same effect without the blessing

[plucky flax]

Any obscurus enjoyers?

[sturdy quest]

with the other much better perks you can get, def do not settle for run n gun

[plucky flax]

@spice veldt I can 2 shots maulers with crit blaze trauma. The burn will tick it down.

[hidden crystal]

The one I used to use before I got a decent-ish Illisi:

It's actually not bad, all in all.

[plucky flax]

That's nice man.

I'm thinking of using obscurus for memes.

HANDS

[lyric burrow]

Obscurus is fine just worse than the other 2

But the other 2 are also insane so

[hidden crystal]

I'm not beyond trying it again. Admittedly, it does end up in a jack of all trades position between the Illisi and Deimos, but it is a pretty good set of rolls that I've not yet got lucky enough to duplicate on either of the other types.

[plucky flax]

Yeah all 3 damage stats are so high + best perks and blessings combo (for me personally)

[hidden crystal]

(Wouldn't mind a bit more mobility, but it's not bad, and Force Swords get infinite dodges regardless).

Deflector is only T2, but to be honest, there's not really that much difference with different tiers of Deflector.

[hidden crystal]

I did get a stonking set of stats on a grey Illisi a week back, but then Hadron proceeded to give me nothing I wanted as far as Blessings or Perks:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1127816636536209438/image.png

[thick carbon]

shred ain't bad. put slaughterer on that in place of uncanny and.. mmph~

[hidden crystal]

As much as people insist that you don't need Deflector, I use it often enough that I wouldn't want to lose it.

I've got a not-terrible Illisi (not great in the damage stats, but not disastrous) where I have got Slaughterer/Deflector, but I'm stuck with a +1 Stamina that I don't really need and would probably be a lot more useful if it was Maniac damage.

[crude cape]

do i want these perks, or is unarmoured better than flak

i should just ask this

which one is better

god damnit

im sorry haha

i fixed it.....

[hidden crystal]

Flak/Maniac is generally the preferred combination. If you have to pick one of those, Flak.

[crude cape]

gotcha

[hidden crystal]

Not that Infested is terrible, but with Slaughterer, it doesn't really need a lot of help with those.

[crude cape]

i have either flak3/maniac4, but 61 finesse, 77 mobility.
or infested4/maniac4, but 78 finesse and 62 mobility

i guess its probably kind of a toss up

i feel like the 17 finesse loss is kinda bad

[hidden crystal]

It's not ideal, but it's probably not a disaster.

High mobility can be fun on a force sword, dodging all over the place.

[harsh gust]

gun psykah

[plucky flax]

Memers

[plucky flax]

Hrm for force sword I'd go for maniac over flak to kill muties faster. D:

Carapace on obscurus and deimos are good too. You can 2 specials a crusher.

[feral verge]

Killing maniacs quickly is very important

On almost all weapons, if I'm forced to choose between flak and maniac, I will pick maniac without question

[plucky flax]

RIP no flak no maniac no deflector.

Guess I can do bloodthirsty slaughterer specials spam meme but warp resistance is low.

[cosmic sigil]

not too low

it's manageable

[plucky flax]

I can't play force sword without deflector.

[elfin nexus]

infinite dodges

[plucky flax]

I stand in front of shooters holding block and get chewed.

[elfin nexus]

just spam slides and dodge

[cosmic sigil]

i did that once, it felt like matrix

[plucky flax]

I'm not that good to play without deflector even with infinite dodges.

[cosmic sigil]

i was moving forward blocking bullets while the vet behind me dropped shooter while moving

[plucky flax]

Aye best feeling to just menacingly walk toward shooters.

[cosmic sigil]

and quickswap to revolver to explode their brain

[plucky flax]

Gunpsyker

[vocal swift]

Hello all, anyone able to help a noob out with some psyker questions?

[plucky flax]

I can try.

[vocal swift]

I just recently got into dark tide and really gravitated to psyker is my role to take out specials effectively? I understand it may change depending on the team but I was just wondering. Also just out of curiosity what weapons do you usually run?

[plucky flax]

Yeah with the right build you can take out specials very fast.

Psyker is really versitile with a lot of builds option, unlike other classes.

If you're levelling just experience with weapons for now, but at end game force swords are really good for they have infinite dodges. For range, it's up to the build and what you want to do.

You can clear horde with void/trauma/purg or cc support with surge. Or if you're a heretic you can play gunpsyker too although I don't get that since I play psyker to not bother about people stealing each others' ammo.

[cosmic sigil]

we don't steal ammo

we are more ammo efficient tbh

[strong gulch]

Agree on playing with what feels good. Some staves are more general or all-arounders while others specialize more.

Some weapon can cause hand fatigue more or require more effort to use.

Knife (combat blade) is fun and fast but that can wear out your hands faster. Surge is great at CC and decent against armor, but it takes more enemy knowledge and keeping your head on a swivel (not great for hordes).

Some weapons will feel good in lower difficulties and struggle in higher difficulties.

Some weapons are also dependent on good base rolls. Trauma is definitely one of those.

[hidden crystal]

is my role to take out specials effectively?
I would say "no". That's not to say that you shouldn't do that, but that you shouldn't specifically see that as your role.

While Brain Burst is a combination of slow and high damage that means it's best reserved for high value targets like elites and specials, psykers do not (unlike the Veteran) have any tools that let them identify these enemies any more easily.

For one thing, Brain Burst is slow.

You often haven't got long enough to lock on to a target and charge up before you've got to deal with something else.

(Or before something else deals with you).

It's often better to tag a target to let someone else take it out first.

Now, there are some things Brain Burst is ridiculously good at.

It almost entirely ignores armour, and even up to quite high difficulties can bring down most of the Ogryn enemies in two charges (although you may need to stack the right traits and a lot of warp charges to do it).

A veteran with a plasmagun or boltgun can put real hurt on a Bulwark or a Crusher, but a psyker can do it without spending a round of ammo.

Teammates with lasguns or autoguns though can barely scratch carapace.

So I will generally try to priorities Bulwarks and Crushers if I can, because psykers are best equipped to deal with them.

(Also, as far as Crushers, note that the Force Sword's push attack can put anything other than a monstrosity or mutant on the floor - or if you hit a Bulwark's shield, but it can still stagger those well if you get past the shield. But if you get three Crushers at once, often the thing to do is just shove them on the floor to buy time. And yes, it will still stagger Crushers on maximum difficulty).

BB is also really good at Snipers and Gunners. You can often get a lock and then duck back into cover while it charges up.

And it excels at dealing with retreating specials, because you only need line of sight for the original lock on.

Once you've got the lock, it doesn't matter you've lost direct line of fire, you can still turn their skull into splinters.

[cold geode]

my hand hurts, trauma/illisi

[hidden crystal]

Now, obviously, there's other things to it than just Brain Burst - but I find that's what a lot of newcomers focus on.

And you need to be wary of that, because Brain Burst barely levels.

[vocal swift]

Man thanks so much for all the info guys

[hidden crystal]

It does the same amount of damage at every difficulty, and only a couple of traits can even boost it at all, and not even all that much.

So it somewhat falls off as you go up the difficulties.

Comparatively, your gear will level much more as you level your character.

Looking at the overall spectrum of their kit, psykers can be built to be very anti-special in their approach, but honestly a good psyker build can do many things.

[vocal swift]

I was wondering because I thought since Brain Burst can basically one shot elites/specials i assumed it was my job to try to protect the group from snipers and heavy gunners and shot gunners because I can start the cast and hide behind cover and poof, enemy combatant lost his mind. But then I got a fire staff and tried to stack skills for the soul blaze thing

[strong gulch]

All of what @hidden crystal is saying.

Bringing it back to when @plucky flax said that psyker is versatile.

Psyker often ends up being a flex slot and should prioritize being built in a way that can handle most situations.

You'll end up doing that a lot, but it's mostly situation based.

[hidden crystal]

If you can protect your team from elites and specials, then by all means do so, but you shouldn't assume that you're stereotyped to that role.

[vocal swift]

I usually tend to prefer a support role in most group comps in games so since there is no healer I figured solid CC would be the best option so I take my chain lightening staff and force sword and try to just sort of buy my team mates time to mop up. Because I tried hard to make a build that was like brain bursting specials before they had a chance to hurt team mates but someone is always quicker to the draw than the cast time and I'm just left like welp...

[hidden crystal]

Sometimes it is genuinely better to ping the high value targets for the veteran with the boltgun, or let the Ogryn bowl over a heap of shotgunners.

Again, brain burst is slow. It's powerful, but it's slow.

[vocal swift]

I suppose support wise the Ogryn is maybe one of the best, I don't have alot of experience but I met an Ogryn named Shi' Thead and he protected me with his life, he was like a massive wall when he set his shield up, I saw the guy tank a Daemonhost a veteran pulled it was cool.

[strong gulch]

Always ping/ tag.

[hidden crystal]

There's often a faster way of dealing with these targets than BB.

Although, that said, if you can pre-charge BB after you've heard the spawn sound for many of the specials, then you can splat them right as they come around a corner.

[vocal swift]

Yeah, I really find myself falling more in love with this game day by day but it's difficult to find a solid group. I am sure it's viable to have 4 veterans or like 4 Ogryn but I always thought having a solid group of each person running their own class would be sick.

[vocal swift]

That's actually super helpful for puppers and the pox bursters

[hidden crystal]

the pox bursters
Yes, but please don't do what a psyker I was in a game with the other day did.

[vocal swift]

Cause the pox burster usually is timed where your BB goes off when they are like mid air diving at their target lmao

Honestly I have had really really good luck with my chain lightening against both of those mob typea

Mostly because the back to back stun, I do barely any damage but I can keep them there lol

[regal jasper]

Are the staffs the best weapons for phyker or is it just a number game

[vocal swift]

I honestly found them to be the best choice for me because I feel it's solid utility, I still clear enemy fine, and I don't have to fight for ammo if it comes down to it. There's no reload and if you work in mind in motion it feels like you have no draw back really

However that being said I like that recon lazgun

It's pretty legit if you are good at aiming but I guess it depends.

[hidden crystal]

If the poxburster is close enough to someone that it's going to damage them, just let them try to shove it. Shoving it has a mechanic that lets the person escape the blast entirely.

The thing is, once you're too close, there's no fall off on the explosion. So it leaping at them or you blowing it up too close does the exact same amount of damage to them, so you might as well let them try to shove it.

And there was one person I was in game with the other day who WOULD NOT understand that.

And kept blowing them up when, if I'd been allowed to shove them, I would have been fine.

Oh, as far as psykers being anti-special: Your psykinetic's wrath ult does not need line of sight.

[vocal swift]

Is it possible to run a solo private game? Or do you need a strike team to go private?

[strong gulch]

You need at least 2 people to d a private game. No true solo.

[hidden crystal]

One entirely legitimate tactic is to use your ult to launch a pox hound off an ally, and if you're close enough, you can still do that even if there's a wall in the way.

Solo games can be done with mods.

[hidden crystal]

To be honest, my standard psyker loadout uses the MG12 Infantry Lasgun.

[strong gulch]

I there's a mod for solo, but since fatshark isn't huge and this is the first time that they are hosting the game vs the player, I suspect it's a cost saving thing.

Also, we all get to see the hound ragdoll yeet itself into space at the same time. So that's fun.

The ping can be... thy enemy.

[vocal swift]

Hey Macro just out of curiosity, do you usually just join pick up groups or do you have a dedicated group?

[hidden crystal]

Almost exclusively pick up groups (although occasionally I have a Steam friend along too).

This is part of the reason I do go with the MG12.

Because it's not unknown to end up in a party that's Ogryn with Kickback, Zealot with Flamer, Vet with Shotgun.

... and no-one else has brought a weapon that's effective past the range of a loud sneeze.

[strong gulch]

3 psykers with purg and you're 4th with a meme build 🙃

[hidden crystal]

I've never had that specifically (I've had a couple of all-psyker games, but never all of them with Purge), but I did have one game where all three zealots had flamers.

[strong gulch]

A psyker chasing after 3 zealots with the zoomies is a lot. Happens surprising often for some reason.

[hidden crystal]

As is, I settled quite a lot on a marksman style of play, and were it less teeth-pullingly painful to level up your gear, I might try a sharpshooter (as they benefit from a lot more traits to let them regenerate toughness at range), but getting equivalently good guns and curios on a vet is going to be a nightmare.

[strong gulch]

For sure. Leveling with the painful weapons you start out will. 😩

BUT you shouldn't be in too tough a spot with blessings at the very least on some weapons.

[hidden crystal]

My psyker's MG12 is this little beauty, and I think it could take me a long time to get anything similar for a vet: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1125963715557212160/image.png

(Not absolutely maxed out, but still hard to beat).

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Definitely in that it could be marginally better but that might not happen place.

Now I'm curious what mine is. I don't use guns because I can't aim.

Also I shoot a few times and dump my ammo right on the floor because I GOTTA QUELL. 🙃

[hidden crystal]

Very content with ammo as its dump stat, as that's something the MG12 has already got plenty of, and everything else means it hits hard, accurately and I'm quick on my feet.

[mild lotus]

infantry lasgun try to empty its ammo challenge

impossible

[hidden crystal]

Well, I do still often have times where I've had my ammo get low enough that I need to conserve it, but that's usually when I'm on an ammo-hungry team and I'm trying not to get the "the psyker stole my ammo" glare.

[hidden crystal]

Psyker often ends up being a flex slot and should prioritize being built in a way that can handle most situations.
But yes, as far as the general point, it's very possible to have a psyker build that can cope with whatever.

The main thing that psyker doesn't do well is resilience.

Veterans have got twice the toughness, Ogryns have twice the health, and Zealots can periodically cheat death (and even regenerate health).

[mild lotus]

don't need tons of hp and toughness when everything else is dead

[strong gulch]

It's true lol. "Cope" is the correct word.

Also true about dead things. I am very average. So coping is what I do most.

[hidden crystal]

Not to say that psykers are completely wimpy and frail (we are one of the two classes that has a weapon that can block ranged attacks, and we can also stack a stupid amount of block), but it's not a class that's forgiving of mistakes.

Oh, another favourite psyker tip of mine - I've already talked about the force sword's push attack, but just the push is also awesome.

[strong gulch]

yup.

[hidden crystal]

Particularly with a stamina curio, you can spam several pushes in a row and stagger a really large chunk of a horde.

That's often something I do when reviving people in the middle of a mob - after I've got them up, hit the mob with several pushes to daze them and let the player get their bearings again.

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Also for protection at an auspex station when you also need to recover from high peril or something.

[hidden crystal]

(It is actually funny how much block you can stack as a psyker. Alas, Deflection no longer lets you block ranged attacks when reviving, but between a stamina curio and kinetic deflection, standard cannon fodder just can't break your block.)

[strong gulch]

Plus psyker when running up for the revive.

[hidden crystal]

It helps that, for some reason, psykers have the shortest stamina regeneration delay.

[strong gulch]

Right that too.

[meager plinth]

Blocking is insanely good on psyker it’s crazy

[strong gulch]

If I ever play another class I'm going to be confused all of the time. Why can't I do x.

[meager plinth]

Even post-kinetic deflection nerf, psyker can fuckin revive someone while being attacked by a demonhost

[strong gulch]

Perma blocking DH was silly, but that's also silly.

[regal jasper]

I’ve seen almost every phyker using the dueling sword but i kinda hate it

Is this a skill issue kinda problem or a bad take kinda problem

[meager plinth]

Nah cuz the Deimos is currently a “better version” of duelling swords

The MkV has some qualities regarding its speed tho

Both for faster heavies and dodges

And it’s pretty fun/ feels great

[strong gulch]

The mk2 has some of the lowest damage. If I'm going to use a dueling sword, I'm opting for the 5. I prefer the heavy strike down.

Demois has the dueling sword move set with the utility and damage of a force sword.

Other than just liking them or using something different, there might be move techs or something on the dueling sowrds that people are using.

When I opt for a dueling sword, I don't. I grab a knife.

That's just me tho.

[plucky flax]

Boom boom burn baby burn blaze trauma

[meager plinth]

[plucky flax]

Not sure if burnt enemies count as 'ranged kills' or not.

[meager plinth]

prob

[fossil lagoon]

is the shoot fast penance bugged ?

oh nvm i was doing wrong difficulty hehe

[strong gulch]

Ran out of good to to buy whites. Turns out I had almost 700k in garbage gear clogging up my inventory. Still have a bunch of duplicates for blessing rolls.

[old oyster]

psyker need tougnes and hp ? 2 tougness and 1 hp or 1 tougness and 2 hp ?

[mild lotus]

toughness curios with the best possible hp sub perk

that's what I'd get

[plucky flax]

I run all hp

[spice veldt]

if you get sniped or bursted or burned a lot, i'd run hp

otherwise, i like my toughness

[shadow onyx]

take more thoughness if you are comfortable with slide trick, take health if you are often with depleted shield

[spice veldt]

if you can take advantage of the better regeneration (feats or melee kills) from +toughness, then it's going to be better

[plucky flax]

Grims corruption be like

[spice veldt]

this is fine

[shadow onyx]

i always put grim corruption x1 t3 or t4 in my setup

because i always pick up grim

to milk that money

[mild lotus]

heretic behaviour

[spice veldt]

i dont pick up grims and neither do most pubs so i usually don't worry about it

[mild lotus]

found the traitor

[shadow onyx]

free 15 k ish gold per game is worth to me

but i may be greedy too

[old oyster]

im getting grenades in a face a lot , while im trying to reset warp to 0%

[shadow onyx]

that sstupid slow effect on grenade impact

gave me ptsd

[old oyster]

and takes fully your tougness

from 1 hit

[spice veldt]

i get why it takes all of your toughness but god damn do i hate it

[shadow onyx]

the near 100% slow before explosion should be removed

its so lame

and it cancel zealot charge

with radius as large as tsar bomba

[spice veldt]

i like the slow to force you to react to it as soon as you hear a bomber

just that some map sections suck fucking ass with bombers

[meager plinth]

when theres 3-4 bombers and you get stunned constantly

[shadow onyx]

well i would agree if the bomber was not lebron james with surnatural precision even without vision

[spice veldt]

stupid ass ground fire spreading into an entire narrow corridor

hmm yeah, but the speed you need to react to is fairly fine

comparable to a spitter from l4d2

[shadow onyx]

except spitter dont slow you down before explosion

[spice veldt]

spitter had a faster projectile speed

bomber has a slower one but a slowdown effect

roughly equivalent in my eyes

[shadow onyx]

faster projectile speed but less range

[spice veldt]

just that the slow arc can mislead you into thinking you have time to dodge if you forget about the slowdown

that's true

and the verticality of some maps

[shadow onyx]

i mean a bomber can litteraly snipe you from half the ending room of smelter complex

[spice veldt]

and not needing sightlines in general

[shadow onyx]

• spitter have less radius explosion

[spice veldt]

hmm so if they just make it so that bombers must have sightline of a player to throw it; make stick on a lock-on time before they can throw a nade

[shadow onyx]

and slow is less painful

even the dot is ok

[spice veldt]

i think the slow is more interesting than just taking damage, so i like that aspect

[shadow onyx]

spitter is not meant to kill you , its designed to grind you

[spice veldt]

just fixing the ridiculous range that bombers have on their nades and making more of a threat that can be dealt with

rather than being more of a sniper than the sniper

yeah spitter is pretty much an anti-camp

[shadow onyx]

yeah

generaly speaking l4d 1 was perfect balance imo

[spice veldt]

more aggressive gameplay in darktide, so i can see why the grenade is the way it is

[shadow onyx]

i'm not very fan of l4d2

[spice veldt]

l4d2 introduced some new special infected right

[shadow onyx]

yeah

spitter joker and charger

[mild lotus]

and new players

those are the most special

[meager plinth]

and we love them all dearly

[slate sun]

Guys - is purgatus the only staff to pick currently, or is the voidstrike valid as well ?

[meager plinth]

all 4 are valid rn

[slate sun]

I really like it but it seems to lack the umpf ...

[sterile vale]

They're all kinda valid, but Trauma is sortof the meta right now

[meager plinth]

trauma, purg and void are the easiest/cleanest to use

you can top damage with all of those

surge is more quirky but useable alongside a melee build

do you use warp unleashed(feat) with that voidstrike?

[sterile vale]

Surge is nice, but kinda team-reliant

[spice veldt]

voidstrike has its eggs put in the range, hordeclear, and suppression baskets which aren't as valuable compared to what the other staffs offer, since it has virtually no ability to deal with elites/specials

[slate sun]

the targeting is pretty tricky with trauma, couldn't get my head around it

[spice veldt]

trauma is pretty whack, especially when it's the first force staff you unlock

[meager plinth]

trauma basically needs a good roll to feel right

[spice veldt]

god gave you one of the widest stat scaling weapon in the game and possibly one of the worse eases of uses as the first force staff

i'm not sure if there's any other weapon that scales as much as it (i also don't play other classes)

[slate sun]

that's my build, please don't laugh 😄 I put a lot of thought in it

[meager plinth]

what do you feel you struggle against the most with void for example?

[slate sun]

heresy + gets challenging ifg you get too many carapace elites / specials

[meager plinth]

then id recommend switching to kinetic barrage

lvl30

the faster brainbursts will give you an easier time to deal with elites/specials

you can also use cerebral laceration lvl15 to 2brainburst crushers

[slate sun]

sounds worth trying, I picked quicken so that I can quickly purge and keep shooting if necessary

[spice veldt]

void/surge are the staffs that I'd consider taking wrack & ruin for an infinite cleave option

[meager plinth]

wrack n ruin can demolish groups of elites

its really good alongside kinetic barrage

[slate sun]

but isn't warp unleashed you know ... necessary ?

[spice veldt]

if not picking quicken, you can afford to give up either communion (lvl10) or flayer (lvl25) since you won't need that much warp charge gen unless you're lazy like me

warp unleashed is very nice yeah

[slate sun]

yes I am rather lazy 😄

[meager plinth]

the flayer will do you good

[spice veldt]

wrack & ruin is one of those things that are "annoying/niche to use in general but will boost winrates by dealing with difficulty spikes (like mixed hordes)"

[slate sun]

thanks for the advice guys

[meager plinth]

if you need anything, hit us up

[slate sun]

I played around 300-400 hours of Ogryn before I switched

now it is a totally different game 😄

Darktide ftw

[meager plinth]

[slate sun]

regarding the stick topic, everyone I saw on higher difficulty seemed to be running with purgatus

and it really looked like monster damage

[meager plinth]

purgatus is basically easy mode

infinite, high damage dot with great suppression

good range too

[spice veldt]

the little brother of zealot's flamer, so it's pretty nice

[meager plinth]

weaker than the flamer but you can use it a lot more

[spice veldt]

yeah more generally applicable and spammable

pretty much no need to ever melee if using purgatus

[meager plinth]

muties and dogs

but thats it

its why I run chainsword with my purg

[near wyvern]

It's only monster damage if your team is lacking DPS. Trauma and Void are the best DPS staves.

But then thing with Purgatus is it's piss easy to be effective with it and it has very reliable CC

[meager plinth]

at least with purg you can apply max dot and just maintain them to wittledown the bosses while you are free to kill other stuff

[near wyvern]

And it's one of the least roll dependant staves

[meager plinth]

or to brainburst the boss while the soulblaze does its job

[slate sun]

I really wanted to like it but especially when someone uses it enthusiastically, it becomes really hard to see what's going on 😄

[meager plinth]

theres a mod for that

[spice veldt]

bloom is one of the settings that sets your screen on fire if you have it turned on

[meager plinth]

^ this

[steep bridge]

What perks we putting on Deimos?

[meager plinth]

maniac% is BiS

beyond that it can be flak or carapace

[steep bridge]

as for blessings i rolled Deflector 4. What should be the other? Bread and butter Slaughterer?

[meager plinth]

unstable power or slaught

[digital narwhal]

@zinc ether Add me, pal

2927356684

[zinc ether]

The fuck you doing here pal, you lost?

[digital narwhal]

Bruh

It dragged me to another chat

wtf

C'mon, Discord

[zinc ether]

Sorry spark'eads, I take my pal and go now.

[steep bridge]

Too kind, sweet brute

[near wyvern]

Maniac is BiS, the other one doesn't really matter

[near wyvern]

Always unstable power with Deimos, second blessing is either Deflector or Slaughterer

Allows you to one shot mutants on Damnation with the H2

[strong gulch]

I am garbage with voidstrike today. Normally I'm "you should practice more" to "sufficient". Hot doodoo today tho.

[near wyvern]

In case someone wants to see the one shot in action:

https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10?t=35

Click the link, the embed starts from the beginning for some reason fixed the embed

[near wyvern]

Just get your quell cancels on point, it helps a ton with void especially when you need to BB quickly

[strong gulch]

If you mean LMB quell cancel... it's been a work in progress. Like trying to get an old VCR to load a tape without eating it. 😂

[steel flame]

......

wot?

[strong gulch]

My brain is bad.

[steel flame]

welp

time to hop in pubs and do some darkness dog missions

[near wyvern]

RMB. Void RMB into BB hands animation is missing so you can make it a lot faster if you quell cancel the RMB shot before you BB.

@strong gulch
https://youtu.be/zcINF72qAdY

[strong gulch]

Oh thanks! I'm good RMB quell cancel. I'll watch. Always open to learning a thing. 👍

Oh ho. Did not realize you could RMB quell cancel on Trauma. 👀

[spice veldt]

you save ~300ms with it on the trauma if you can do perfect inputs

[strong gulch]

OMG this is obnoxious. New trauma menace unlocked. 👍

[steel flame]

its so stupid fast

[near wyvern]

Quell cancelling middle charges allows you to just be a god among the trash forever

https://youtu.be/CWUnfFfvB4o

[steel flame]

https://streamable.com/t5fi5w

i could go faster if i didnt have a quell speed of 64%

alas

[molten sparrow]

Well, okay. I never use this type of staff; so can I get some advice on blessings and perks please?

[near wyvern]

Oh wait that was trauma

[steel flame]

Lol

They all blend together sometimes

[near wyvern]

For void you have two options

Easier to be effective:

• Perks, +flak +unarmoured
• Blessings, warp flurry + transfer peril (flurry more important)
• stats, high damage and warp resist, good charge rate
• quell speed and blast radius are not important

More versatile but requires sweating at 80-100 peril with constant quell cancels

• Perks, +flak/+unarmoured with +crit chance (mandatory)
• Blessings, Warp Nexus 4 + blazing spirit (nexus 3 won't be enough)
• stats, high blast radius, charge speed and damage
• quell speed and warp resist are not important

@molten sparrow ^

[near wyvern]

Yeah warp has melted my brains

[molten sparrow]

Thanks

Hmm don't have many blessings ATM, and I got two good candidates.

[ornate hamlet]

Since I'm doing crit tomfoolery, I'd grab the right one and put either the soulblaze blessing or surge

[near wyvern]

Right one has a bit better perks imo

Weak spot damage into +5% crit chance, barrage into blazing spirit and slurp nexus to bank from the left one

You don't really do a lot with maniac or elite damage but elite damage is more useful than maniac damage if you have to choose

You have Deimos for those mutants anyway

[maiden knoll]

What feats you recommend for trauma staff?

[near wyvern]

Which version

[fluid knot]

Latter does not require quell cancelling, actually given how the balls can cleave, its often a net loss to quell cancel with Blazing because crits are pre-determined on shot, an thusly the cleave will set more enemies ablaze, and also Nexus/Surge is more reliable for the most part, though Blazing/Nexus works just fine

[maiden knoll]

What versions are there? Dot and rend?

[fluid knot]

Void has enough viable choices to be just fine

[steel flame]

You've got quell cancel fire trauma and flurry brittle trauma

[maiden knoll]

Ok, feats for flurry brittle

@near wyvern

[maiden wolf]

I'm told infested is what I want for a trauma staff. Is this what y'all would run, or is the damage too low?

[near wyvern]

You high or what?

• Your crit is rolled the moment you cast, hence you get the correct crit chance even when you quell cancel
• quell cancelling always increases your attack speed hence your DPS as you throw out more balls regardless how far you charge them
• void has no RMB to BB animation so you have to quell cancel when switching to BB, even more so if you run with kinetic barrage

By quell cancelling I don't mean spam min charge shots as fast as you can. By quell cancelling I mean quell cancel the after cast animation so you can cast faster. You alternate the charge amount based on how much there is to cleave and if you need to AOE control (more balls out pls) or deal more damage (charge longer)

Surge tends to hit a wall with the second ball. On top of that, the blazing spirit does actually more DPS against targets that don't die in one hit since you get 3 stacks from the projectile and 3 stacks from the explosion => immediately to the hard cap of 6 not to talk about the extra targets that got 3. Moreover, you can accidentally quell cancel the Surge proc every know and then since it's an extra animation during the after cast pause, which means you can't get the most out of your staff, where has blazing spirit cannot be cancelled out.

[near wyvern]

A21B1C

A = either 1 or 3
B = either 1 or 2
C = either 1 or 3

If you go with Quicken, you can pick Cerebral Lacerations if you want but in case the monstrosity/boss is surrounded with any other enemies you should keep using your trauma to keep the person tanking it safe

[fluid knot]

Are you a massive cockwad or what? Two can play at that game if you wanna be a peinarse about it.

Quell cancelling like that is often fucking meaningless as the increase to DPS is fucking meagre at best, let alone claiming its more effective. Surge does not tend to hit walls either, i dont know where the fuck you're pulling that shit from, it might if there is one or two enemies local, if the horde is dense (when you should be using Void) then no, it doesnt.

You're right about the capping stacks part, but thats besides the point, you're using surge to delete hordes faster, literally not vs anything else. More to the point, AB has better synergy with Blazing then KB does, because it can provide you with free warp charges, erefore, free damage.

[near wyvern]

AB synergy with blazing on void

Communion has a lot greater chance of getting a charge than AB off from Blazing

[fluid knot]

Yes, just take one element of fire and nothing that synergises with it, big brain, jfc

[near wyvern]

The only reason to pick blazing spirit on quell cancel trauma is because it's the best DPS increase you can get when you don't use flurry, and when you don't use flurry you should always quell cancel

[fluid knot]

We're not talking about Trauma...

[near wyvern]

I know

[fluid knot]

But hey, dont listen to the guy who plays exclusively with Void an has done since beta idk

You do you boo

[near wyvern]

I have tested surge versus blazing in the meat grinder and blazing deals better DPS even on a single target

🤷

[fluid knot]

In the meat grinder... Not live combat, big difference. Another ball, means more cleave on more targets, again, you dont use Void on single targets unless you have absolutely zero shooter clear on the team, which is all but non existent in occurence

[near wyvern]

I have played a lot of times in live combat. I have observed a lot of times the balls hit the walls

[fluid knot]

Blazing can be very good, but if you want to wipe a horde quickly, Surge is often more relevant

[near wyvern]

I have even made bug reports that are acknowledged by the fact that since blazing spirit procs after the crit, you don't get any chances of AB warp charge proc on enemies that die by a crit

If you don't believe my testing, then don't

[fluid knot]

No, but you do offa all the surrounding enemies that also get tagged with the burn, just not those that die to the ball immediately

[near wyvern]

And still it's not enough to even keep up stacks in a horde

Which is funny cause I use kinetic Flayer and that's enough to keep me at 4 stacks through the game when I void

[fluid knot]

Thats why you also take WnW and AB, stack the fire sources and the damage output becomes very healthy, WnW also ignores stack cap, so if you have time/space to burst a couple of Elites off the bat, spreading that damage about isnt very hard

[near wyvern]

WnW?

[fluid knot]

Wrack an Ruin, my bad,

[near wyvern]

Yeah it only works if your vets are sleeping

[fluid knot]

Any Vet worth his salt will ignore targets being bursted. Its the shit Vet players who target things about to pop. Good players know that there is no point in them expending ammo on stuff thats gonna die anyway

[near wyvern]

Most often you spend 2 seconds charging and end up contributing nothing, you could have thrown another void ball during that time

[fluid knot]

Only a problem with newbie Vets in my experience, experienced players know that managing the resources of all players contributes more to the team overall

That goes for thier ammo and your peril

[white sky]

Tbh it was only after I actually leveled a psyker I developed the sympathy required to stop shooting BB targets

Cause that shit annoyed tf outta me when I played psyker

[near wyvern]

It just amazes me that a void main says quell cancelling is not important when it makes a huge difference especially with void into BB

[fluid knot]

If they want to take a slower crawl though a map by doing it, thats on them, but people learn fast enough, if you're in a lobby with someone who does that all the time, simply target stuff they're not looking at

[maiden knoll]

Thx

[fluid knot]

Because you're barely cutting any time out of things, its like saying quell speed is a meaningful stat

Almost functionally useless infact

[near wyvern]

Those fractions matter a lot

[fluid knot]

Mate.. you realise that its an amount of time the human eye cant even percieve in most cases right?

[near wyvern]

Especially when you BB, it's the difference of that bomber getting the throw or not

[fluid knot]

It takes a quarter of a second for your brain to even process incoming visual information. Idc how good you think you are, you can't circumvent basic biological functions

If you think you can, put down the keyboard an go learn to fly a fighter jet, im sure the military would snaffle you up in an instant

[near wyvern]

@fluid knot
https://youtu.be/zcINF72qAdY?start=155

[fluid knot]

Yeah nah

[near wyvern]

That quarter of a second is a difference in the game. You can hug a corner and keep trash indefinitely away of you quell cancel your shots on void

[white sky]

Actually you can, your brain gets good at prediction and other what not to compensate for a slower reaction time if you let it.

[fluid knot]

Not to that degree, there is still lag from visual to brain to muscle

[fluid knot]

Or you can use the Void like its meant to be used, and by hugging said corner, you can charge a shot an wipe everything running round said corner in a single shot, giving you space to repeat it. The Void relies on positioning, not spamming as many balls out as you can

[near wyvern]

Luckily humans are good at learning things to muscle memory so you don't have to rely on the visuals to make more out of your staff

[near wyvern]

Under ideal conditions yes, but in a real game you get stuff running around, enemies spawning from different directions. Quell cancelling you can create a new shot faster than the attack animation is for the enemies so you can make a quick pop on that surprising mob and then continue charging fully (while quell cancelling the end animation to cast those fully charges shots even faster...)

All I hear is "listen to me cause I am a pro who is not optimizing their gameplay"

If you don't want to quell cancel, don't, but don't come in here claiming it's useless, cause it's not

[fluid knot]

Im sure, again, if youre positioning yourself properly and using the thing how its meant to be used, cutting X fraction of a second out of each cast is almost valuless

If something is in your face, more to the point, why the fuck are you trying to spam Void balls at it? We have Illisi and Deimos

Thats asinine at best

[near wyvern]

Cause I can shoot through it?

[fluid knot]

Yeah no.... Psykers who stay glued to their staff the whole session and wont swap to melee generally get fucked over by it

[near wyvern]

Many times I even dodge so that there will be a melee mob in my face before release

I only switch to Deimos when there is an elite/special/monstrosity in my face or hear a mutant coming

[fluid knot]

and you critique me for not playing optimally...

Ironic rather imo

[near wyvern]

How come? Your staff has more DPS than your melee

[fluid knot]

My dude.. we have the most powerful melee options in the game, if you dont use them when something is trying to give you a kiss, you're leaving common sense at the door

[harsh urchin]

unironically taking wrack and ruin tho lol

[near wyvern]

Right. Like dealing with those shooters while I am dealing with the melee... I am such an idiot. Next time I let the shooters run free cause I wanna be a zealot in a pyjama.

[fluid knot]

If you're using Void to clear a spread out pack of shooters that already moronic.. if they're all clustered up, sure, else no, you dont do that unless your team has absolutely zero range control, which as i stated earlier is all but non existent. More to the point if something is in your face, whats more important to you not eating hits? The guy thats about to smash your face in with a rusty bit of metal or the shooter 20m away?

[bleak tulip]

I require the hivemind's opinion

second blessing`?#

[fluid knot]

Up to you, Shred is decent enough, Unstable will net you higher damage if you can keep your peril high, but in all honesty Shred isnt a bad choice

[bleak tulip]

only have unstable 3

[fluid knot]

Keep Shred for now then, its much less fanagling to maintain

[bleak tulip]

oke thanks

[fluid knot]

You are welcome sah

[near wyvern]

whats more important to you not eating hits? The guy thats about to smash your face I'm with a rusty bit of metal or the shooter 20m away

The shooter cause I can dodge the swing and shoot through the guy to damage and supress the shooter so that it doesn't take my toughness away, which it will do in one volley at that range if I allow it to shoot

[fluid knot]

Or you could swap to melee, swing once, kill the guy about to hit you and dodge the shooter.

Or, should you be so minded, take Deflector and then the shooter isnt an issue

[spice veldt]

i prefer unstable because shred drops itself on special activation

and special spam being the best on illisi

[near wyvern]

Yes let's play Deflector Jedi. Go ask the ogryn chat how planting shield goes.

[spice veldt]

shield is a meme because of its damage output tbf

[near wyvern]

Deflector has it's place but it's not gonna get rid of that shooty boy

[fluid knot]

There is a big difference there.. Deflector doesnt stop you being mobile. And shield has a lot of other problems outside of just the plant animation

Slow, cumbersome, arduous, shitty damage output.. things the Illsi or Deimos dont suffer from

[fluid knot]

Ima just be frank. If you're dealing with one shooting at you, that shouldnt be an issue to avoid. If you're in front of a pack of them with no cover source, you fucked up long before the choice became relevant

[near wyvern]

And to answer why wouldn't I swap to the melee and then deal with the shooter: because I can cleave through and kill them both in the time it takes to kill the shooty boy

I would only swap to melee in case I cannot cleave through

[fluid knot]

So you're going to try to charge up a full strike with a bunch of melee dudes trying to box with you just incase you can line up that shooter in the back? Have fun getting beaten to a pulp

[near wyvern]

I don't need a full charge to kill, two mids will do

Trash can't touch me because I quell cancel

[fluid knot]

If you say so darling

[near wyvern]

You don't need to use it but saying it's not beneficial to get charging your next shot faster... I have no words

[fluid knot]

I'm done with this conversation, if you think half charge is gonna do it and spamming out balls at a net loss in DPS is gonna help you, who am i to argue

[steel flame]

you sound very angry

do you wanna talk about it?

[fluid knot]

Huh? Not at all, i just dont appreciate the response of "are you high", if you cant start a conversation in a pleasent manner, ima call you out for it, simple as 🙂

[steel flame]

i mean

he does have a point

its just a straight dps increase

[fluid knot]

I'm not doing this again pal, spamming out projectiles over killing several with one shot is not a DPS increase, it might look like that onscreen, but in actuality thats the visual application of so many explosions going off providing you with a nice dopamine release. You do what you think is fun, but dont try make out that fractions of seconds make that much of a difference, because they dont

[steel flame]

also i dont think asking if your high equates to callin him a cockwad

thats just rude

[fluid knot]

Bring a shitty holier than thou attitude, get called something relvant to your attitude. My usual interactions with people are exceedingly polite. You only need to look around an you'll see that.

[steel flame]

mmmmm

yeah

so ive noticed every time you have a conversation

welp im off to go play with some super jank doggos

ta ta

[olive ember]

Yeah I mean Pygex is like the guy who bothers to test anything after literally every patch ngl so I'd take his word

[meager plinth]

tbh I dont even understand what they were first talking about

[ornate hamlet]

dick

oh wait, that's zealot chat