i'm inclined to think that people overestimate the enemy count sometimes
#psyker-class
bleak tulip
very possible I guess
spice veldt
i have a kill counter slapped to the bottom-right of my screen to get a good number
bleak tulip
I guess Ill go make sure to be really aware of this if I play again today
spice veldt
there's also groaners having a lower hitmass of 0.75, meaning that the voidstrike can go through 8 of them
bleak tulip
either way if 6 is indeed the intended limit then I really dont fucking get fartsharks balancing lmao
spice veldt
poxwalkers have 1 hitmass, so voidstrike will go through 6
bleak tulip
because thats the one thing void is really good at
spice veldt
ikr
bleak tulip
and thats why its the most fun of any staff to me
spice veldt
voidstrike doesn't have damage falloff so i guess they didn't want its hordeclear to be too strong
but purgatus and trauma also exist
but i guess trauma used to have 47% peril gen
the balancing is just all over the place
bleak tulip
yeah
whole oxide
they need to boost void's single-target damage to make it more of a sniper/railgun
bleak tulip
at least I think purg is still good
golden tartan
Purg is ok
bleak tulip
but I dont really enjoy that
spice veldt
yeah not for me
golden tartan
Its a team support tool
fluid knot
Ive been running a setup, what originally started as a meme, but WnW, Wildfire, AB, an Blazing/Nexus on Void.. its actually pretty decent, an reccommend giving it a try. I was fully expecting just a meme, but nah, very high damage output
bleak tulip
and traume is way too limited range
golden tartan
Purg is very vulnerable to special spam
whole oxide
if you've not played much since launch, and formed opinion of trauma at that time, i'd definitely say to give it another chance
spice veldt
purg doesnt have impressive single-target DPS but it'll kill things that aren't a crusher or behind a shielded bulwark and near you (I think it has 16m at 80% cloud radius?)
golden tartan
Surge is the best vs the mutie football team
plucky flax
I disagree with this. 
golden tartan
But like its also a support tool
fluid knot
It also has really gud stagger on primary (purga)
bleak tulip
if you've not played much since launch, and formed opinion of trauma at that tim...
I stopped playing when the lowered its peril gen on right click and even made a loadout for it but never did play it a lot because its still too short range for my liking
it was "okay" at the time
golden tartan
purg doesnt have impressive single-target DPS but it'll kill things that aren't ...
Yea purg is good vs mixed hordes but you are team reliant vs like
spice veldt
trauma's range doesn't feel too bad to me; it's 20m
just that it's finicky, and i rarely engage with anything at that range for long
bleak tulip
it just never felt like I was doing as much as with void is the thing
spice veldt
actually staring at the sky
spice veldt
Yea purg is good vs mixed hordes but you are team reliant vs like
it doesn't feel too bad for me since i mostly use BB and melee for special groups
since i have a tendency to avoid using my trauma to avoid trolling my team
which works against me sometimes
i admit that i am way too conservative with trauma
fluid knot
it just never felt like I was doing as much as with void is the thing
Trauma is much better at supporting the team than Void', that much has to be said
bleak tulip
it doesn't feel too bad for me since i mostly use BB and melee for special group...
thats why I dont really get the argument that void is bad against specials, thats why you have BB
spice veldt
it's nice to have another tool
fluid knot
Clutch potential with Trauma is much higher for sure
whole oxide
BB is fine when there's 1 special
spice veldt
and trauma is better against elites as well
bleak tulip
even in the height of "BB bad" around release I still used BB on bulwarks
whole oxide
when there's 20, GL with that
golden tartan
thats why I dont really get the argument that void is bad against specials, that...
BB is very slow tbh
spice veldt
yeah BB is a very nice utility weapon
bleak tulip
BB is very slow tbh
I mean yeah I come from the "literally never BB" era
fluid knot
BB is fine when there's 1 special
WnW mate, it actually does not have a stack cap like Purga an Blazing
bleak tulip
its a little better now I feel like but not that much
spice veldt
but if a weapon is better than BB at something, it's usually better to use that weapon
golden tartan
Its good for supplementing team efforts and gaining WCbut it alone will not hold back the special wall
golden tartan
its a little better now I feel like but not that much
You use it to get free damage nowadays rbf
spice veldt
BB is quite a lot better nowadays but still not the best solution in many situations
golden tartan
Ye
whole oxide
WnW mate, it actually does not have a stack cap like Purga an Blazing
i also am a WnW enjoyer, but don't say that here, there is only warp unleashed, anything else gets you lynched
bleak tulip
almost two shots crushers on 5 now which is nice
spice veldt
i do use it often to snipe trappers/bombers/gunners/bulwarks/crushers
and all that jazz
golden tartan
Its a good way to build perils and WC
golden tartan
Which translates to a fuckton of weapon damage
spice veldt
yeah it got a 10% damage buff and warp unleashed affecting it
fluid knot
i also am a WnW enjoyer, but don't say that here, there is only warp unleashed, ...
Both are equally viable imo, WnW has a lot of value in hiSTG when there are a bunch of nasties all clustered up, less value outside of high special density though for sure
bleak tulip
so really there is no reason not to take warp unleashed now right`? from what I read in pygex post
its just a flat damage buff to everything now?
spice veldt
yeah it's global
golden tartan
so really there is no reason not to take warp unleashed now right`? from what I ...
Eh there is an argument for WnW but yea WU is just a flat global buff
spice veldt
wrack & ruin seems like a nice infinite cleave option if not running purg/trauma
whole oxide
the reason to not take it is that on some builds WnW or InnerTranq work really nicely
golden tartan
And it makes psyker the character with the most scary melee in the game
fluid knot
wrack & ruin seems like a nice infinite cleave option if not running purg/trauma
Really the biggest plus it has is the infinite stack capability honestly
golden tartan
Like by a mile and a half
bleak tulip
did they buff soulblaze damage per stack too or did they just give everything more stack generation?
fluid knot
Its one of the only ways to make Wildfire actually pop
spice veldt
you'll probably not stack that much before the targets usually die though
fluid knot
Enemy density dependent innit
spice veldt
soulblaze itself wasn't changed besides a nerf to flak damage from 200% to 150%
fluid knot
If there are like ten specials all clustered up an you get the time to pop more than 3 of them, its giga-tier damage output to all the local stuffs
bleak tulip
still dont really think soulblaze is ever gonna be good until they lower the amount of stacks needed because it just kills really slowly
fluid knot
Killing stuff slowly isnt really all that bad in all honesty, purely because even if you're not the one killing them, they're super squishy for you teammates which passively buffs Oggs an Zealots, or even Vets at range, saves time for them, and ammo in most cases
If you're chasing funny yellow number, sure, not ideal, but massive support value
bleak tulip
idk if it was just all my matches being high intesnsity yesterday but there does seem to be more specials now
so I guess
fluid knot
They did buff the volume yeah
spice veldt
i do understand the sentiment of not having any warp single-target burst DPS options at range
bleak tulip
it just also kills trash really slowly which is meant to be the one thing purg is meant to handle, design wise
spice veldt
i want my peril glock
fluid knot
Ehhhh.. i wouldnt say purga kills all that slowly, slower than Void or Trauma sure, but not slow enough that it becomes a liability
bleak tulip
catch me loading into psykh, charging purg and not really seeing anything drop and going back to void again
whole oxide
it kills a pack faster than anything, but it kills them all at once, rather than quickly killing the first rank, then the second, etc
bleak tulip
yeah I guess
spice veldt
purg's advantage is being able to spread soulblaze to everything nearby by virtue of its infinite cleave
its limitation being walls, shielded bulwarks, and how close you can get to enemies
bleak tulip
that last one was always my main problem with basically all staves
void always was basically infinite
trash spawning back there? killing it
dont have to wait
golden tartan
Purgatus tbf you take also cos the stagger is nice
bleak tulip
and for specials you can still jsut left click em a few times
golden tartan
Takes pressure off the team somewhay
For raw horde killing speed nothing beats the illisi
bleak tulip
I gotta get around to using it
I only got a decent one as we stopped playing yesterday
golden tartan
Its a powersword that can get psyker damage buffs
Literally base stats are near identical
bleak tulip
so charging it is just power sword now?
golden tartan
Yea but gives u perils
bleak tulip
thats neat
fluid knot
You dont even need to charge it all that much, a couple times to stack up Slaughterer an you can ride entirely offa that during horde clear, charge for specials
bleak tulip
what's that do for single target tho
spice veldt
it solved my main gripe with psyker melee of being unable to consistently generate peril during melee combat
bleak tulip
like whats the single target thing to do for illisi
golden tartan
what's that do for single target tho
Can one shot bulwarks at max stacks
Theres also no single target on illisi
spice veldt
lightspam or special-light/heavy on the illisi
golden tartan
Its all fookin cleave
spice veldt
it's a very brainless weapon
fluid knot
Bullbutcher, but for Psyker in all honesty
golden tartan
Like two powered swings and u kill 8 ragers levels of bullshit
bleak tulip
guess me investing tons of shit into my FS back then was kinda pointless overall then
spice veldt
the special has bonus unyielding damage, so you'll want to use that against bosses/reapers (i think 1.75x damage to unyielding)
fluid knot
guess me investing tons of shit into my FS back then was kinda pointless overall...
Nahhh, coz you'll have a bunch of blessings to lessen the pain of making a good Illisi
bleak tulip
problem now is getting another slaughterer weapon or sacrificing my FS
spice veldt
prob better off brainbursting them nowadays though
fluid knot
Deimos is also really fuckin solid too
One tap muties in the face with high stacks on that, an thats just with H2, not even a charged attack
golden tartan
Deimos is v good ye
spice veldt
You dont even need to charge it all that much, a couple times to stack up Slaugh...
i'll remark that the special-heavy hordeclear is significantly better than normals if you can afford the peril
golden tartan
Just requires 2 braincells
bleak tulip
I guess old FS is kind of the middle between single and cleave now huh
I briefly fiddled with the stabby fs
which is all assassin and shit
spice veldt
i'd say that obscurus is mostly a worse deimos
golden tartan
I guess old FS is kind of the middle between single and cleave now huh
Nah deimos has better horde clear than obscurus
fluid knot
i'll remark that the special-heavy hordeclear is significantly better than norma...
Aye, that makes sense though, its just taking the time to charge it isnt always practical
spice veldt
spamming dodges is usually good enough for me unless there are enemies to my side
fluid knot
Usually just use the heavy spam once in the horde, charge to get Slaughterer stacks up tho
spice veldt
or i throw in a push
fluid knot
Nah deimos has better horde clear than obscurus
Aye wayyy better
golden tartan
Usually just use the heavy spam once in the horde, charge to get Slaughterer sta...
Peril good thoy :c
spice veldt
hordeclear is probably similar
fluid knot
Obscuras is very mid now
golden tartan
Thats one of the issues of the deimos vs the Illisi
Deimos has issues keeping peril up
bleak tulip
Obscuras is very mid now
makes me a little sad
golden tartan
While illisi has better peril generation
fluid knot
Peril good thoy :c
Ye, but its not actually needed a lot of the time, Illisi is just so absurdly overtuned as a whole
bleak tulip
I kinda like its fucked up weird attacks
golden tartan
Ye, but its not actually needed a lot of the time, Illisi is just so absurdly ov...
Its good for toughness tbh
bleak tulip
got really used to aiming at heads
fluid knot
Even with Shred + Blazing its damage output rivals a lot of the commonly agreed upon "good" melee weapons
golden tartan
Its literally a power sword
spice veldt
a gray illisi is stupidly good
golden tartan
Except u can put warp unchained and warp charge damage boost on top of it
fluid knot
Its literally a power sword
Its a powersword without the massive mobility nerf 
golden tartan
Its a powersword without the massive mobility nerf <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906...
Fair but psword gets power cycler
Sooo
fluid knot
Eh
spice veldt
yeah i'd wager that psword has better hordeclear when fighting in position
bleak tulip
hey im just glad the cancerous "axe is the best psyker weapon" phase is over tbh
fluid knot
Potentially faster in ideal situations yeah, but in practical application i'd bet on Illisi over Psword
fluid knot
hey im just glad the cancerous "axe is the best psyker weapon" phase is over tbh
You know whats a weird outlier tho... the fuckin knife unironically really decent on Psyker
golden tartan
Psword gets nothing featwise
bleak tulip
okay question for the illisi heads, I wanna say I got one thats like 78% damage and warp resist dump, good enough?
rest is 80 I think
spice veldt
sounds great
golden tartan
Yes
fluid knot
Yup
fluid knot
You will not regret
golden tartan
Illisi psyker is the highest damaging melee class in the game
bleak tulip
sick
spice veldt
as a remark, illisi is bugged(?) such that the first target stat does not scale the damage of illisi's special
spice veldt
presumably from when they did something like copying over psword's stuff to the illisi
golden tartan
and its still the best huh
By a mile yes
bleak tulip
alright I guess imma go get excited for having more cleave
golden tartan
Its powersword levels of good as a weapon
spice veldt
woohoo
golden tartan
And u have better feats
fluid knot
"Glass cannon" actually fuckin means summat now
golden tartan
Ye.
Deffo still glass though xD
I find it amusing zealot has the worst melee output in the game when it comes to best builds though
But tbf they have a fuck ton of survivability
spice veldt
they have hsword at least
golden tartan
Yea but even then hsword is half a step behind
bleak tulip
damn lookin at a video illisi charge does basically the same damage to a mauler as charge obs but yknow, you arent literally attached to the fucker for like 1.5 seconds lol
hilarious
spice veldt
rip obscurus
golden tartan
Like i think the Caxe and Hsword are sidegrades
fluid knot
Zealot also has TH for highest boss killing potential and Indignatus for best CC option though
spice veldt
the obscurus might beat out the illisi on mauler special bodyshots
golden tartan
Until the bolter vet 1 clips the boss lmao
spice veldt
though breakpoints be damned and you are getting locked
fluid knot
Until the bolter vet 1 clips the boss lmao
That hinges on having Pinning active tho, when that gets the nerf bat, TH will be king boss killer again
spice veldt
Until the bolter vet 1 clips the boss lmao
bonbon in shambles
golden tartan
But yea Thammer is nice vs bosses and ogryns
But fuckin sad vs everything else
The knock people over simulator
fluid knot
Yeah.. people shit on the Indignatus, but its hilarious that they all suck the TH dick when the latter has literally slower horde clear
golden tartan
Big damage go brr
bleak tulip
is the big ass chain sword still good?
fluid knot
It was never good, sadly
golden tartan
It was never good
bleak tulip
well, it was fun tho 
golden tartan
And currently occupies the position of literally worst weapon in the game
bleak tulip
And currently occupies the position of *literally worst weapon in the game*
guess I'm not playing zealot
grizzled iris
bonbon in shambles
You should give chsword a try with trauma 3-1-1-2-1-3
fluid knot
If the lights didnt bite into every little thing, and the heavies didnt take a fucking year to swing, i'd be all over it
But alas
golden tartan
Slaughterer means the lights dont bite
grizzled iris
Chsword with 6 stacks one hits any special and elite except crushers
fluid knot
Slaughterer means the lights dont bite
C'mon now, only on groaners I have one with HT4 + Slaughterer4 an that bites all the fuckin time
golden tartan
C'mon now, only on groaners <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> I have one with HT...
Ans thats why i go Slaught 4 HT 4
:3
spice veldt
i'd also probably prefer the obscurus to the chsword for the bonus flak damage on special
golden tartan
taps head
spice veldt
i've always preferred the obscurus to the chsword in the past
fluid knot
Ans thats why i go Slaught 4 HT 4
Thats the same blessing roll Grawr
I just mentioned that
fluid knot
Will get piccy later on, its actually a really solid one, borderline godroll, just need them to sort out the animations a bit
fluid knot
Thrust on chainaxe is just... why
Yeah i dont get that either
golden tartan
Ye it does jerk you around a fair bit
grizzled iris
Oh i saw thrust 4
That is the Thammer player syndrome. "BUT WHERE IS THE THRUSH?!"
grizzled iris
I run with +6 stamina as a note on zealot
+3 with stam regen on all curios is better imo
golden tartan
+3 with stam regen on all curios is better imo
I run 3x stam curios
My motto on zealot is, if I dont get hit i dont need toughness or health
:3
And i have stam regen on all 3
fluid knot
All well an good till that mutie way over there decides to play baseball with you an his pals
golden tartan
All well an good till that mutie way over there decides to play baseball with yo...
WHEEEEEE
fluid knot
Getting tossed from one mutie into the path of another an then back again is both hilarious and utterly painful
golden tartan
so do zealots just run the dumb swords now or what do they do?
It depends
If ur a meta slave u either dont play zealot or u run TH
Some might run Hsword
But otherwise its a freak show
bleak tulip
well I just play zealot for fun so I guess th
golden tartan
You will see all sorts of nonsense weapons on zealot
fluid knot
Can confirm
Running the stupidest shit you can get away with is the most fun part of Zealot
plucky flax
Giga no bm antax
golden tartan
I think my record atm is Evis + Graia IAG on Hi5
bleak tulip
friend I play with still living the knife dream
golden tartan
Took a fair bit of gitting gud
golden tartan
friend I play with still living the knife dream
Knife is fine tbh
It has below avg horde clear
plucky flax
Devil's claw in hishock. 
golden tartan
But its still better than Thammerr
Or Evis
Id say its marginally worse than Chaxe
plucky flax
Way better than hammer. That's a truly trash tier horde clear weapon.
fluid knot
Devil's claw in hishock. <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
Kek, i do that all the time, actually love it, ClawMK1 + Revvy, I've even ended up highest on the board a couple times in a good pre-made using it
plucky flax
Yeah but it actually kills. Not like hammer with targets limit and only kill 1 enemy per swing.
grizzled iris
I run 3x stam curios
So you are running 3x +2 stam? When 1 +3 is enough with stam regen
golden tartan
Like evis gives the illusion of horde clear by knocking shit over
golden tartan
So you are running 3x +2 stam? When 1 +3 is enough with stam regen
I run 3x +2 ye
grizzled iris
Like evis gives the illusion of horde clear by knocking shit over
This is true
fluid knot
Horde clear is certainly dire on TH, but being able to bash something across the room with a powered swing is hugely entertaining i wont lie
plucky flax
Yeah but it kills more or damage more per swing, and also the attacks are faster.
golden tartan
Eh evis takes 2 swings to kill 2. Thammer takes 2 swings to kill 2
Example of how bad evis horde clear is
grizzled iris
Yeah but it kills more or damage more per swing, and also the attacks are faster...
Thammer is so much more friendly for it as well. "Just do heavies 4 head"
Eviscerator: "Alright we starting off with heavy then we do light, light NOW BLOCK CANCEL! Push attack light Block, Heavy, light, heavy, light. PUSH ATTACK!"
Thammer: "Hammer go brrrr"
whole oxide
If ur a meta slave u either dont play zealot or u run TH
and yet for some reason everyone still thinks zealot isn't worst class, they haven't moved on since flamer nerf
golden tartan
and yet for some reason everyone still thinks zealot isn't worst class, they hav...
Its not
Its just not brain dead
Like shredder or bolter vet is braindead
Illisi psyker is brain dead
BB ogryn is brain dead
spice veldt
i have at least one brain cell
grizzled iris
and yet for some reason everyone still thinks zealot isn't worst class, they hav...
When did flamer get nerfed?
fluid knot
Like shredder or bolter vet is braindead
Like shredder or bolter vet is braindead
golden tartan
Zealot doesnt have a brain dead top frag option
spice veldt
https://youtu.be/T3gdcwLJV4E
https://youtu.be/jRob7kffA2w
the man the myth the legend
plucky flax
whole oxide
well, maybe in hands of omega-tryhard, but average zealot player is defintely worse than average vet/psy/og
golden tartan
But zealot lets you work magic on shit that shouldnt work
golden tartan
well, maybe in hands of omega-tryhard, but average zealot player is defintely wo...
See the point about braindeadness
plucky flax
That guy seemed to have a really bad evis.
golden tartan
Meta vet, psyker and ogryn builds require much less skill and thought to reach basic competence
But zealot has a lot of potential once u get good, overtaking some of the other classes with the amount of nonsense u can do
grizzled iris
https://youtu.be/T3gdcwLJV4E
https://youtu.be/jRob7kffA2w
Yea man, because we are using macros and mods that play the game for us...
whole oxide
it depends what you mean by best/worst, if you're referring to the ceiling for 2k-hour sweaters, or the floor for 100-hour first-time-damnations
golden tartan
https://youtu.be/T3gdcwLJV4E
https://youtu.be/jRob7kffA2w
Is this with always attack first?
Cos with that mod uhh
plucky flax
It's forbidden secret technique.
golden tartan
Every weapon is busted
Like that technique makes caxes kill hordes in like
4 seconds
fluid knot
Yeah.. running that mod is liable to get you kicked if people know what they're looking at
grizzled iris
Also I don't think that is damnation it looks like malice since he kills more than 1 mob with every heavy and that is impossible on damnation
golden tartan
Case in point
spice veldt
tbf you don't need a mod to do that with how slow the heavies are
golden tartan
spice veldt
have your ranged and melee bound to separate keys
plucky flax
Also I don't think that is damnation it looks like malice since he kills more th...
Whose?
whole oxide
When did flamer get nerfed?
ages ago, March I think?
grizzled iris
ages ago, March I think?
Still as strong as always
golden tartan
have your ranged and melee bound to separate keys
Yea but generally if u allow QQ L1/H1 then Evis is still bad comparatively
Cos everything else does it bettet
See the video
whole oxide
it is still strong, but tell that to the tsunami of tears that came when it happened
fluid knot
it is still strong, but tell that to the tsunami of tears that came when it happ...
Same with the Psword "nerf"
Redditors gonna redditor
grizzled iris
Those are some beautiful lawn mower mod actions
golden tartan
Those are some beautiful lawn mower mod actions
Yep
That mod has been taken down
For obvious reasons
grizzled iris
That mod has been taken down
Some people still have it installed and use it
bleak tulip
kind of hilarious switch cancel still works
golden tartan
Some people still have it installed and use it
Yea but its like someone with an aimbot
Either kick them or leave and moveon
grizzled iris
Like DotNL uses the super busted old version that didn't have a speed cap either.
golden tartan
Either kick them or leave and moveon
See this
People will use aim bot hacks too
Doesnt mean its fine.
plucky flax
Also I don't think that is damnation it looks like malice since he kills more th...
If you meant the videos I link that's damnation. Not trash horde clear like hammer.
golden tartan
https://youtu.be/T3gdcwLJV4E
https://youtu.be/jRob7kffA2w
Also ngl it would have been faster to clear that horde with a knife in the second video
Thats a small group
grizzled iris
See this
I guess I'll have to leave every game with people using that then, since when I try to kick those guys people just say. "But its free plasteel"
golden tartan
I guess I'll have to leave every game with people using that then, since when I ...
So is pressing a button that vacuums all the plasteel on the map and teleports you to the valkyrie
plucky flax
Also ngl it would have been faster to clear that horde with a knife in the secon...
Tru second vid was less horde clear evis. That one had bloodletter Savage sweep. The other one with rampage savagesweep is stronger at horde clear.
golden tartan
Tru second vid was less horde clear evis. That one had bloodletter Savage sweep....
Thammer swing cancel would be as fast tbh.
plucky flax
But less mobs kill per swing. Only 1 max.
golden tartan
Yea but you swap the moment the swing connects
And by keeping thr mob on the right side of ur screen
U swing way faster
Since the time to hit first guy is minimal
plucky flax
Okay I don't know how to do that.
golden tartan
Basically what ur doing except you rotate ur screen more to the left
And dont follow through
Its literally the same difficulty esp if ur using a macro
Without a macro it requires more rapid key presses so its more exhausting tbf
plucky flax
I don't touch hammer it's really bad. 
golden tartan
Also those are groaners
I think with slaughterer maxed out u can get 2 groaners in one swing
Lemme check
Nvm i stand corrected
U cannot
plucky flax
golden tartan
But yea the early swap works fine
plucky flax
Bloodletter evis is okay at monster damage too. Not as good as hammer but very respectable with the bleed.
plucky flax
Yeah but evis with bloodletter is above heavy sword, tac axe, even force swords I'll say.
plucky flax
Ah heavy 2.
golden tartan
L1 H2 spam
plucky flax
But illisi doesn't have that strong monster damage.
golden tartan
Uh
spice veldt
mom said only i get 2.5x damage
golden tartan
Illisi does
It kills a bulwark in one swing
basically illisi damage is the same as an evis
But without the animation lock
spice veldt
albeit with buffs up
spice veldt
true
golden tartan
You will get warp unleashed and warp charges
Like by the time the evis has sawed once the Illisi has swing twice, maybe even 3x
plucky flax
I know I'd rather bb monster than melee it with illisi.
golden tartan
Illisi still > Evis
bleak tulip
thats honestly pretty sad
golden tartan
BB being better than Illisi vs monster just makes Evis even more meh
plucky flax
I shall test at the weekend.
golden tartan
Illisi is just batshit insane
mild lotus
Monsters are the mid level bosses right?
golden tartan
Yea
The optimal choice is obviously Thammer
But like after that
(And ignoring bolter)
spice veldt
illisi heavy special does ~1300 damage on plogryn headshot at 100% peril with WU & unstable (~1.3 seconds for activation + heavy swing)
BB does 1375 damage at 100% peril with WU (2 seconds for channel and 1 second for downtime)
mild lotus
I really see no issue with psyker weapons being straight up better than regular weapons, it's the entire point of the character.
spice veldt
still noticeably MUCH better
fluid knot
The optimal choice is obviously Thammer
Or.. or... Ogryn Shovel if you have to deal with spawn
Funny stunlock go brrrt
spice veldt
i also think class-specific weapons should be better, but not by the extent to which the force swords are
golden tartan
Or.. or... Ogryn Shovel if you have to deal with spawn <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832...
Brrr
golden tartan
i also think class-specific weapons should be better, but not by the extent to w...
Eviscerator moments
spice veldt
a gray illisi is better than a lot of decked-out weapons
mild lotus
The weapons themselves arent that much better
Any psyker sword beats every base sword in my eyes
plucky flax
True eviscerator hammer both trash.
bleak tulip
here I was being like "man I gotta play before I can use it then"
golden tartan
Hammer is for the lmao big damage bonks
bleak tulip
guess not
golden tartan
You bring it because you wanna bonk bosses
its a very niche weapon
other than bosses and ogryns its kinda ass
But thats why you have a ranged weapon
mild lotus
It justifies the name of the game
mild lotus
Warhammer
golden tartan
I mean Thammer is situational
plucky flax
Hammer in dt trash tier horde clear.
golden tartan
but its exceptional in the situation in which it excels in
golden tartan
Hammer in dt trash tier horde clear.
Which tbf isnt a big deal unless you have 4 hammers in the team
And no flamers
spice veldt
duelling sword supremacy
golden tartan
Brauto also exists
Like Thammer + Brauto is also a classic
Or well Thammer + Shredder but that can die in a fire
mild lotus
Shredder legit strong af since launch
whole oxide
been enjoying thammer+MGXII lately, and just assume someone else will cover hordeclear
because i just don't trust anyone else to manage shooters
whole oxide
i've got all evening
fluid knot
Soloing a horde with TH isnt hard, just time consuming
mild lotus
Illisi feels like a power sword with a terrible battery life
fluid knot
I don't waste ammo on horde.
Laughs in Ripper gun
spice veldt
battle meditation procs semi-consistently with it, but does suck if you're capped at 100% peril and there are elites around
my situational awareness has cost many a health points
holding the illisi also gives you better legs
mild lotus
Better legs?
bleak tulip
I hear it makes your ass look better too
mild lotus
Femboy weapon for bottoms
bleak tulip
you heard of powerbottoms, but have you heard of MkV Forcebottoms?
plucky flax
*Laughs in Ripper gun*
See I only use rippe when it's dangerous mixed horde with ragers. Otherwise I let me bb taste blood.
grizzled iris
I hear it makes your ass look better too
Not only that but it increases your chances of landing that dream job due to the scoreboard stats you get.
raven zenith
Recent lvl30 Psyker here, I've been trying to make Kinetic Flayer work, but it just keeps getting my ass kicked even on Malice. Any tips for that perk in particular or are the other two just better?
fluid knot
See I only use rippe when it's dangerous mixed horde with ragers. Otherwise I le...
There is nothing in the game, and i mean nothing, that wipes a full mixed horde faster than Rippers, even Bolter can't keep up because smaller mag
If you want all them dudes over there dead, Ripper
grizzled iris
Recent lvl30 Psyker here, I've been trying to make Kinetic Flayer work, but it j...
Kinetic Flayer is best for newer players since you don't need to think about it, and it will maintain your warp charges for you.
Just a reminder that it cannot proc if you're above 80% peril that is about it.
Try to play more melee combat since experience comes from practise. Challenge yourself to become better, there is no easy do this do that. We all started somewhere and as we made it so can you ^^
May the emperor guide you.
Heretic
plucky flax
It's good I use it when playing surge illisi.
bleak tulip
Kinetic Flayer is best for newer players since you don't need to think about it,...
Just a reminder that it cannot proc if you're above 80% peril that is about it.
pretty sure its 97
it basically will trigger when off cooldown assuming youre hitting shit
which makes it very good if unconrollable
no idea how good wildfire is, probably not as bad as it used to be but likely also not that good overall, and warp battery is only really good if you maintain your stacks well
raven zenith
Kinetic Flayer is best for newer players since you don't need to think about it,...
Thanks for the kind words ^^
I think I'm getting the hang of melee quite quickly, my ~150 levels of kerillian main experience are shining. It just seems much more risky here, given all the shooters eating my temp health
raven zenith
> Just a reminder that it cannot proc if you're above 80% peril that is about it...
from my messing around in the psykhanum (i think i spelled that right?) it looks like 75%, but that might've been random chance being not in my favour
spice veldt
prob a bit of a knowledge issue, such as sliding and dodging giving you ranged i-frames
raven zenith
wait, that gives i-frames??
spice veldt
ye
raven zenith
by the emperor
spice veldt
if only i could find my videos
bleak tulip
the tutorial isnt very clear on that but yeah
spice veldt
here's an example against a scab gunner https://streamable.com/2lt083
raven zenith
that's gonna help so much on higher difficulties
spice veldt
is very nice
though enemies like scab gunners and scab shooters (glowing green eyes) will continue to track you after a dodge, so you might get hit the moment your dodge i-frames are down if they're still shooting
raven zenith
no idea how good wildfire is, probably not as bad as it used to be but likely al...
it seems nice for clearing hordes with the purgatus, but the purgatus is already excellent at clearing hordes and doesn't really need help with it
raven zenith
though enemies like scab gunners and scab shooters (glowing green eyes) will con...
great for getting to cover tho
bleak tulip
its arguably the only time I would take it but even then I probably would prefer more stacks so AB is better
with ab you should also be getting your stacks easily so you dont really need flayer anymore
raven zenith
which leaves us with WB
bleak tulip
yeah for purgatus I would go with WB
grizzled iris
Wildfire is funny, bugged and busted 😉
Lets say there is a horde spawning
Horde units will spawn all at the same location instantly and will be moved out in waves, if you find the spot you can purgatus horde mobs and the wildfire will spread to the currently idle remaining horde units and kill them off screen before it is their turn to come out xD
bleak tulip
it used to be bad so my immediate urge is to be dismissive especially since it doesnt really note the chances of it triggering
but it can probably be good
grizzled iris
Wildfire is really good
spice veldt
great for getting to cover tho
sprinting perpendicularly to ranged attacks will also give ranged i-frames (as long as you have stamina)
grizzled iris
But only if running purgatus, and I don't recommend running the purgatus staff
raven zenith
Horde units will spawn all at the same location instantly and will be moved out ...
I've seen that happening on Malice and below, but Heresy ends up being a battle of attrition in every damn room
fluid knot
Kek, i use Wildfire on my Blazing Void setup (along with all the other burn feats) more often than not cap highest damage in the lobby
raven zenith
sprinting perpendicularly to ranged attacks will also give ranged i-frames (as l...
So many i-frames...quite the change from VT2
raven zenith
But only if running purgatus, and I don't recommend running the purgatus staff
prefer the surge staff?
spice veldt
yeah the movement system is quite interactive with ranged enemies since they're pretty threatening
grizzled iris
Kek, i use Wildfire on my Blazing Void setup (along with all the other burn feat...
Highest damage in lobby isn't hard to get if that is what you're going for.
fluid knot
I adore the fact we can dodge slide in any direction, wish that was a more common feature in games
grizzled iris
prefer the surge staff?
Surge staff is for people that have a great understanding of enemy behavior, if you don't have this then I don't recommend it.
fluid knot
Highest damage in lobby isn't hard to get if that is what you're going for.
The point being that its something i did as a meme, but it literally carries sessions
grizzled iris
Surge staff is for people that have a great understanding of enemy behavior, if ...
I recommend Trauma staff due to its versatility
plucky flax
I run wildfire with blaze trauma.
spice veldt
dodges also don't give i-frames to melee attacks per se, but it shortens the reach of most melee attacks
here's an example of this shortening against bulwark swings, which notoriously have a short dodge catch https://streamable.com/e905ne
you'll still get hit if you're too close
grizzled iris
The point being that its something i did as a meme, but it literally carries ses...
I top damage with my Wildfire Laspistol with Dclaw build, hurray for greatness...
raven zenith
I recommend Trauma staff due to its versatility
trauma staff takes forever to clear hordes with my current setup...it's quite risky compared to purge
spice veldt
purg is pretty easy to use and not as chaotic
raven zenith
Surge staff is for people that have a great understanding of enemy behavior, if ...
time to learn then, given what Sire Melk threw at me on my first reset after hitting trust 30...
grizzled iris
Arco, preach a bit about Trauma, I'm gonna check daily shop
fluid knot
Can confirm Trauma is good
spice veldt
charge rate scales really hard on the trauma, since it scales from 2.5 seconds to 1 second
grizzled iris
Arcotash, when we getting married?
spice veldt
when they unlock 100% stats for a 100% charge rate trauma
and when josho is no longer in this world
ornate hamlet
Common Jake L
spice veldt
femboy hours
grizzled iris
I see, less gay shit, more Trauma staff preaching
spice veldt
trauma good
raven zenith
charge rate scales really hard on the trauma, since it scales from 2.5 seconds t...
so try to get a high charge rate roll, makes sense. Still need to get brunt to sell me one with the repeated charge blessing
grizzled iris
trauma good
Well I guess that settles it then?
spice veldt
i only speak fax
grizzled iris
But who sends them?
raven zenith
Deimos>Illisi for assasinations or nah?
bleak tulip
apparently illisi is still stupidly good single target
spice veldt
dis ass
grizzled iris
Sword depends on staff mostly
Illisi is the all arounder horde clear can do it all kinda deal
spice veldt
yeah prob deimos>illisi for assassinations, but illisi is good nuff for single-target
grizzled iris
Deimos is more specialized in killing big stuff, like Josho's Ego
grizzled iris
Hey Arco I just speak 📠
mild lotus
Stylish
plucky flax
time to learn then, given what Sire Melk threw at me on my first reset after hit...
That's op bro. Go warp flurry warp nexus.
raven zenith
don't have warp nexus yet, got like 2 other blessings xD
again, first orange melk i ever got so i don't really have anything with Hadron yet
mild lotus
You mispelled Hardon
raven zenith
lmao
grizzled iris
again, first orange melk i ever got so i don't really have anything with Hadron ...
I hope you're pleased varlet
Praise the Omnissiah
It is done
It is done
I hope you're pleased varlet
And what do we have here?
And what do we have here?
Interesting...
mild lotus
grumbles at shitty roll
Go, kill some heretics. Good varlet.
grizzled iris
https://tenor.com/view/khorne-berzerker-warhammer40k-chainaxe-chaos-space-marine-khorne-gif-16797644
Me after hearing Hadron call me varlet for the 483923'th time...
raven zenith
I hope you're pleased varlet
Praise the Omnissiah
It is done
It is done
I hope y...
followed by "damnit, that's the one i wanted and i rolled past it" Vermintide flashbacks intensify
grizzled iris
followed by "damnit, that's the one i wanted and i rolled past it" *Vermintide f...
grizzled iris
raven zenith
current ones are mostly mission rewards and one from melk, got 19health, 15curio chance, 15 gunner resist; 2stamina, 10sniper resist, 15curio chance, 8block efficiency; 1wound, 8revive speed, 15hound resist
all unrolled as of yet
which reminded me to get a better illisi
strong gulch
current ones are mostly mission rewards and one from melk, got 19health, 15curio...
Pygex has a quick video on curios.
https://youtu.be/zHkczVGvORc
raven zenith
brilliant, thank you
you guys use the Riposte blessing at all?
more specifically, which of these two to replace with deflector
mental rock
mild lotus
Keep unstable, swap riposte
raven zenith
don't have slaughterer yet, might not need deflector given all the i-frames i just learned about but gonna slot it in regardless for learning
plucky flax
Deflector is still nice. Don't count it out. Experiment for yourself. Same with curios.
mild lotus
Deflector is okay when caught out of position
raven zenith
Surge staff is for people that have a great understanding of enemy behavior, if ...
with that you meant what exactly? specifically referring to who to target, when to right click when to left click, etc? basically, what should i be paying attention to while learning
plucky flax
Don't surge trash horde unless you want to meme.
grizzled iris
with that you meant what exactly? specifically referring to who to target, when ...
When not to use Right click basicly, don't use it on hordes, don't stun a mutant 50 meters away from your team, wait until pox burster gets into his jumping animation before you surge it so he explodes after your staff has pushed him away stuff like that
lunar hollow
Don't surge trash horde unless you want to meme.
that's why we have the staff special
wack
grizzled iris
Surging to stun shooters as you're running up to them
raven zenith
aaah
plucky flax
Yeah staff melee for extra memes on horde.
grizzled iris
And using surge staff right click to kill FLAK armoured enemies
plucky flax
For what it's worth my surge illisi build is 311133
grizzled iris
I always run 3-1-1-2-1-3
steel flame
Don't surge trash horde unless you want to meme.
Nah what you actually wanna do is quell cancel m1 surge into trash so it goes away so you don't have to think about it anymore
Beeg brain
raven zenith
For what it's worth my surge illisi build is 311133
was running 121112 just there because i forgot to switch from my purgatus loadout when switching staves 😅
I'm surprised people use Quietitude tbh, seemed like the most underwhelming of the bunch
fluid knot
It looks like it on the face of it, but its actually one of the better ones
Your peril is constantly needing to be knocked down to stop you 'sploding, so all that time its dropping you're getting free regen you dont even need to think about
You just get it by playing the game, there is no gimmick
raven zenith
makes sense, especially when using surge to mostly stun rather than kill
fluid knot
True with most setups to be honest, its just a very benificial skill all round
raven zenith
time to try it out then
fluid knot
You'll always be getting something however minor an every little bit helps
raven zenith
I always run 3-1-1-2-1-3
why Kinetic Shield rather than Deflection if you don't mind me asking? seems less efficient on the higher difficulties
fluid knot
Shield is much more useful when having to tolerate shooters and allows you to still put out damage at the time rather than swapping to melee constantly and crab-walking away from danger
It also makes that toughness gain from Quietitude go further
obtuse moth
I'm surprised people use Quietitude tbh, seemed like the most underwhelming of t...
It's the most consistent, and more importantly it's the only one that gives you toughness when you are being pressured and are struggling (to kill the enemies)
strong gulch
Deflection can help with "tanking" and also pickups. Benefits from stamina curio.
obtuse moth
It's the most consistent, and more importantly it's the only one that gives you ...
If you're murdering everything, sure some of the other ones can give more, but it's all wasted toughness that goes into the void when you're full
spice veldt
i find myself getting enough burst toughness from illisi, so having the generality of quietitude is nice
raven zenith
It also makes that toughness gain from Quietitude go further
theoretically yes but when a group of three shooters can burst through all your toughness in one go anyway, seems better to be able to swap to melee and get to cover while blocking
whole oxide
warp absorption can give you more when you're in ideal situation getting easy kills, but that's not situation you should build for
steel flame
why Kinetic Shield rather than Deflection if you don't mind me asking? seems les...
i prefer deflection on lower peril builds like gun builds or regular Flurry Transfer void staff. When im playing high peril ranged builds Deflection loses its value while Shield makes you into tank
spice veldt
and put into other terms, kinetic shield gives from +11% to +49% effective toughness
whole oxide
does it really make you into tank tho? 33% isn't alot, most stuff will insta-nuke your toughness anyway
raven zenith
I also noticed some anti-synergy between warp unleashend and deflection, you get attack damage bonus precisely when your peril is too high for extra servivability
spice veldt
stuff that's going to nuke your toughness is also probably going to nuke your health as well
raven zenith
which is why you'd use deflection to block it instead
spice veldt
i dislike having no toughness because of the ranged stagger
raven zenith
right, totally forgot that exists
mild lotus
and put into other terms, kinetic shield gives from +11% to +49% effective tough...
So it does scale with 6 charges
steel flame
does it really make you into tank tho? 33% isn't alot, most stuff will insta-nuk...
you can sit there in trash poke all day long and quietude all that damage away when your using shield with no issues long as you keep your peril high
lunar hollow
does it really make you into tank tho? 33% isn't alot, most stuff will insta-nuk...
33% becomes a lot when you are mitigating incoming damage by dodging/sliding/pushing/killing it
spice veldt
even without kinetic deflection, dodging/dodge-sliding is enough to reduce the amount of hits you need to block
spice veldt
So it does scale with 6 charges
the tooltip is wrong; it scales with peril and not warp charges
raven zenith
yooo that makes it much better
steel flame
fatshark tooltips are big fat liers
mild lotus
Ogryn code
spice veldt
it's just that 1/(1 - 0.33) is equal to 1.49
mild lotus
raven zenith
fatshark tooltips are big fat liers
good that that tradition hasn't died off
steel flame
if it scaled with warpcharges im pretty sure id never use it
spice veldt
same
raven zenith
which is precisely why i didn't use it
spice veldt
my warp charge economy is peepee poopoo
raven zenith
you and me both
mild lotus
Communion?
steel flame
he just forgot what button his ult is on
feral verge
Communion?
Nope
I don't have any warp charge generating feats on
Only on purga build. Ab
raven zenith
my dude popping heads and letting his allies deal with hordes
feral verge
I just pop elite/specials fast
steel flame
god i wish ab was reliable warp charge generation on anything except AB itself and purge staff
its generation is ass on fire trauma
feral verge
If I have 5 warp charges and it's about to tick down to 4, I bb a trash mob
I do that, and in normal pub games I still get the most kills/most damage
The only time where I am "wasting" time with bbing trash is at the start of the map
I try to get 6 charges asap
Or if I die and gotta get all the charges back
steel flame
oh mankar i was messing around with quell cancel spamming the m1 on purge staff and it can perma stunk lock almost everything\
its very fun
feral verge
Yea it do be like that
feral verge
I'm glad they fixed the sound
They nerfed it awhile ago
Then reverted it/fixed it
The sound
steel flame
i thought you were talking about the space dogs there
they nerfed em a while back and now they are "fixed" and flying free again
ah nature
fluid knot
does it really make you into tank tho? 33% isn't alot, most stuff will insta-nuk...
Its not supposed to turn you into a tank, its supposed to give you breathing room
maiden knoll
It's really hard to clutch atm with those buggy dogs
steep bridge
just kill them before they do anything
raven zenith
well this is certainly going better than before
downside, I'm getting cocky because of it
whole oxide
Its not supposed to turn you into a tank, its supposed to give you breathing roo...
okay? but the person i was replying to said it turned you into a tank
ornate hamlet
With the 160 toughness I have on my psyker, kinetic shield gives me an extra curio at 0% peril
spice veldt
ornate hamlet
quantifiable
spice veldt
god bless kinetic shield
raven zenith
you surely mean the god-emperor, yes?
ornate hamlet
God bless the Emperor, yes
plucky flax
its generation is ass on fire trauma
Use wildfire with it.
steel flame
....I do
fiery plume
For Kinetic Shield (10% to 33% based on warp charge reduced toughness damage), is 33% based on 6 warp charges or 4? If you have 6, does it go beyond 33%?
plucky flax
Hrm I don't have problem with warp charge regen in horde with wildfire ascendant blaze.
spice veldt
it's because peril is called 'warp charge' in the code
(totally not confusing i know)
spice veldt
yeah they recently rewrote kinetic shield's description to just say 'toughness damage' instead of 'ranged toughness damage' and accidentally flubbed that
raven zenith
it's because peril is called 'warp charge' in the code
fiery plume
lol
Honestly, it should just be warp charges instead of peril anyway, imo. Makes more builds viable. For both the 10 and the 20.
Ah well. Thanks fellas.
spice veldt
my only gripe would be it making warp battery a more important pick
fiery plume
They could just hagve it cap out the bonus at 4 charges and 6 charges just makes it easier to maintain max
spice veldt
that's true
ornate hamlet
Hell, even making it scale with the highest of both
Linearly with 100% peril or 25% of the kinetic shield effect per warp charge
That way it doesn't lose synergy with AB and... quicken
Did they make staff m1 automatic?
steel flame
hehe i found a new bug
mod related of course
if you are renaming a weapon and th emission timer hit 0
you are forever locked into the lobby screen
apparently i could still move
and i was changing my appearence in game when i swapped loadouts
ornate hamlet
Edited it a bit to cancel the toggle when hitting G for brain burst, but it's a bit finnicky if you're holding LMB while pressing G
Which is also weird because G is already coded to toggle it off
Maybe I should put it outside the conditional
raven zenith
what exactly is quell cancelling?
ornate hamlet
Didn't solve it
It's basically using quell to cancel the attack's animation so you can fire another funny ball faster
plucky flax
Hrm.. do you know much about lua script?
plucky flax
Xd
raven zenith
thanks for the demo, looks powerful but too involved for my taste. I wager i'd need a macro to make it more efficient than just left clicking
ornate hamlet
Edited it a bit to cancel the toggle when hitting G for brain burst, but it's a ...
Yeah
plucky flax
Rip the guy who made always first attack. He'd make a mean quell cancel mod.
ornate hamlet
Depending on how similar Lua is, it might just be copy-paste
I never touched front-end, so I have no idea how to make the mod interface that mods use
harsh urchin
that mod is actually toeing the line on cheating imo lol
compared to mods like reroll until rarity, scoreboard, etc
I would say that one is actually an advantage in -game
plucky flax
You can do it manually.
harsh urchin
you can also aim your gun in games like CS manually, without using an aimbot
plucky flax
Not in the same vein but okay.
harsh urchin
you can do what you want, I doubt fatshark is gonna ban you for using that macro
but setting up a macro so you can automate a sequence of key events so you can attack really fast is pretty cut and dry
plucky flax
I do what I want. I use always first attack.
ornate hamlet
Although I am doing it just for the giggles, I understand not everyone will just not use it 
plucky flax
Qq cancel script existed in vt2 also.
white sky
I think adding mods to DT was a can of worms that can't be unopened
harsh urchin
you can justify it however you want, and you can use it if you want lol
I'm just saying that a macro that automates a sequence of key events so you can attack really fast is definitely something that gives you an in-game advantage
compared to other mods
plucky flax
I am not justifying. I admit I use all the advantages mods bring. I use hp bars to not waste resources.
I use grim and script alert mod, also super far pinging.
They approved it. 
Numeric ui also gives lots of advantages.
crude cape
anyone have any videos or clips of how to properly animation cancel/quick quel and fire again on trauma staff
i want to see if im doing it right
wet belfry
The mod isnt quite actually even a macro
It registers when a hit connects and resets the chain.
harsh urchin
oh i see so it has a trigger that activates when an enemy is hit and then does a thing?
yeah that would be an in-game advantage for sure lol
wet belfry
Its the only way for it to be as consistent as it is.
harsh urchin
tbh I think that's even worse than a macro
cuz at least a macro you can do it manually if you're good enough
plucky flax
It registers when a hit connects and resets the chain.
What mod are you on about?
wet belfry
First attack
plucky flax
That's incorrect. Because otherwise you wouldn't cleave with it. It'd reset upon the first enemy hit.
wet belfry
It might be best to just check the code
harsh urchin
why would resetting the chain effect the cleave?
ornate hamlet
Because it doesn't let the weapon's attack go all the way through
harsh urchin
but that shouldn't matter, because you're reseting the chain, not canceling the attack
plucky flax
Wut. You cancel the pull back animation to use the first attack animation again.
ornate hamlet
Anyway
Imagine having a psyker feat for crit and putting surge and blazing spirit on voidstrike
Then slapping on this busted ass shit
raven zenith
steel flame
You can do it manually.
you cannot physically do what first attack was doing without macros. quellcanceling on the other hand is more than feasible without macros, macros just make it easier for some people
Personally i actually agree with getting rid of Always First Attack
harsh urchin
In that case then its pretty cut and dry lol
plucky flax
You can if you have fingers of steel.
harsh urchin
But whatever its a PvE game
ornate hamlet
I am a bit eh on quell canceling because Fatshark gave us the immense benefit of having its damage output suck ass
First attack on a weapon like the mk9 heavy sword is wack
Specially when it already has a combo designed to loop into h1, which admittedly makes use of a weaker attack with weird scaling
Think of my lovely macro this way
It's Bastion Two-Twenty-One
lyric burrow
Does anyone know how much cpu matter for darktide?
sacred wolf
Does anyone know how much cpu matter for darktide?
at least 3
then you have 2 friends to play with as well
lyric burrow
I just ordered a ryzen 9 5900x wasnt sure if my performance would go up significantly or minimal change
But i feel like my cpu was a bottleneck before
plucky flax
It's quite a lot. My pc was really struggling with the old 2700x.
Got i9 9900k recently and it's so much better. Still not an amazing cpu but still big upgrade.
What's your current gpu?
spice veldt
yeah CPU is absolutely huge in this game
i am so insanely bottlenecked despite having a pretty good gpu and toning almost every setting to doodoo because those settings don't really affect CPU usage
plucky flax
Don't know much about amd gpu.. what's the equivilant of that to nvidia?
Wait arco you do some weird ultra low settings
fiery plume
I know its not technically optimal but shred + blazing spirit has been a lot of fun.
harsh urchin
modern games I feel like are a lot more CPU heavy than GPU
spice veldt
i see some comparisons of the rx 6750xt to the nvidia 3070
harsh urchin
i feel like you can run 95% of games no issue with a pretty average graphics card
spice veldt
Wait arco you do some weird ultra low settings
my settings are perfectly normal
harsh urchin
but most games get bottlenecked at CPU
spice veldt
ignore the 1x1 textures
yeah a lot of settings you can tone down affect GPU usage so that helps
i suppose stuff on that side is more optional
lyric burrow
Yeah its pretty much a 3070
plucky flax
i see some comparisons of the rx 6750xt to the nvidia 3070
So on 1440p you'd easily play high settings with good fps. 60+ @lyric burrow
spice veldt
i have to tone those settings regardless so that my laptop doesn't pump out too much heat
lyric burrow
Yeah i already play 1440 max settings
But cpu struggles in some spots
Current cpu new one shouldn't
plucky flax
Yeah I play max barring high on fog and volumetric. Some maps performance is ass though
Like hab dreyko.
lyric burrow
Normally id prioritize fps but this game looks so nice im willing to have worse fps
But hopefully i can have both now
plucky flax
Yeah sameeee. I even turn on bloom and lens flare xd
lunar hollow
bloom is based
plucky flax
Gimping myself
spice veldt
my ability to see is kinda bad so bad graphics don't really affect me that much
harsh urchin
my ability to see is kinda bad so bad graphics don't really affect me that much
cue josho posting clip
spice veldt
no
lyric burrow
That would explain Joshos explanations of your gameplay
lunar hollow
i am forever proud of confusing arco how i play with almost every screen effect off
plucky flax
Wish I had a better pc though for max settings + Ray tracing.
lunar hollow
my ability to see is kinda bad so bad graphics don't really affect me that much
poor eyesight is cute
lyric burrow
Is ray tracing not worth for this game
Even if your pc can handle it
Which is like exclusively a 4070
lunar hollow
That would explain Joshos explanations of your gameplay
arco is good he just doesnt expect things like my shield ogryn genius
lyric burrow
I was mostly joking ik you guys just give each other shit
spice veldt
a lot of my gameplay relies on muscle memory and experience, so anything atypical basically causes me to eat shit
i have 0 adaptability
lunar hollow
or me detting bursters on him (which i wont do anymore, please dont BB a hound pouncing me when ur next to it)
spice veldt
we'll see
lunar hollow
🥺
spice veldt
the video of you accidentally dumping a bolter into a barrel is funny and me getting exploded
lunar hollow
i'll be good
lyric burrow
Arco arent you the melee pysker
lunar hollow
the video of you accidentally dumping a bolter into a barrel is funny and me get...
the real comedy is i watched that moment 8 times before realizing i shot the barrel at all
lyric burrow
I mean he was vet with a bolter
lunar hollow
I TOLD YOU I HAVE A DUMB GREMLIN BRAIN
spice veldt
true
lyric burrow
And we all know josho is a vet main
spice veldt
ulted vet moment
lyric burrow
So vet main awareness
spice veldt
unwavering focus vet moment
lunar hollow
i was so fixated on the fact my shot spread was clipping the backpack and not doing damage
spice veldt
has all screen effects turned off moment
lyric burrow
Ngl im starting to take arcos side
lunar hollow
i got hit by the 2nd one too
lyric burrow
Sounds like josho is the problem
lunar hollow
im sorry i really didnt mean to hit u
spice veldt
Ngl im starting to take arcos side
wow and you haven't been on mines since the start?
smh
lunar hollow
how the fuck do you side with ME????
spice veldt
ikr
lunar hollow
bro...
lyric burrow
I didnt say i was on a side before
lunar hollow
has all screen effects turned off moment
this has nothing to do with that
spice veldt
oh wait
lyric burrow
Besides all the clips i see of you are usually you carrying
spice veldt
wrong one
lyric burrow
I thought maybe you were cracked
lunar hollow
i am. i just use my powers for evil
ornate hamlet
The voidstrike macro was fun, but also kind of useless
safe crystal
i am. i just use my powers for evil
Not very effectively, ngl
ornate hamlet
The damage was better just charging it and the enemies didn't need the constant CC
lunar hollow
against you, for some reason, no
ornate hamlet
It'd terrify a horde with that barrage to the point the survivors just stopped moving at all
But honestly it lowered the kill time because of that
It's easier when they rush you so you can point blank a charged shot
lunar hollow
wrong one
if ur having trouble finding it just describe the clip u want
and i can probably get it for u
lyric burrow
Yeah im still iffy on quell cancel void
spice veldt
the one where you throw your box at a burster that i was trying to push in a dark mission
lunar hollow
spice veldt
i can not see it with has:videos in discord search at all
lunar hollow
here u go ❤️
spice veldt
https://streamable.com/viydys
this should immediately qualify anyone to take my side
or at least be against josho
like josho literally laughs like a psychopath
safe crystal
Heres the other perspective
lyric burrow
My apologies i had not seen the clip
safe crystal
If you want to see it froma different angle
spice veldt
iceslow you bastard
lyric burrow
Josho is in fact evil
safe crystal
I would never do such a thing
spice veldt
well, not to me at least
spice veldt
TRUE
lyric burrow
I have a feeling missions go smoother when josho gets "accidently" sent off a ledge by a barrel
spice veldt
josho unfortunately actually contributes to the mission
lyric burrow
That does seem unfortunate
spice veldt
i haven't (intentionally) exploded things on people because i'm not a psychopath and so that i can take the moral high ground
spice veldt
a normal person here finally
harsh urchin
quick question for yall nerds
lunar hollow
quick answer
harsh urchin
is there a way to get a monitor
lyric burrow
Amazon
spice veldt
robbery
harsh urchin
to display as a monitor for my desktop, but work for my laptop if i plug it in
lyric burrow
getting arco to force his hand sounds rather fun
Its like batman and joker
lunar hollow
josho unfortunately actually contributes to the mission
im like the loose cannon. a lil shit but so good u gotta keep me around
harsh urchin
without having to disconnect the pc each time
and if so, which ports/software do i need
cuz right now, i have to disconnect my desktop and plug my laptop in
and vice versa
each time i wanna swap
spice veldt
i know there's the monitor settings to change which input signals to take or a hardware solution like an hdmi/displayport/etc. switch where you can press a button to switch between which cable to take the signal from
ornate hamlet
Okay, so right now my staff lists 341 bodyshot damage to flak, but it's doing 301 to scab bruisers
I have no idea why
It's grey, I have no stacks of nothing
ornate hamlet
... that's a thing?
lunar hollow
yes
ornate hamlet
I hate this game
Well, on I go to farming a better damage voidstrike and pray I get unarmored and flak
spice veldt
according to tyr, i'm probably wrong since i don't see any hitzone multipliers listed for scab bruisers besides to their arms
full bane
Man I’d absolutely love if they gave us the shotgun staff from vt2, I remember loving that thing
spice veldt
maulers take the appropriate damage from voidstrike bodyshots so i guess there's a hitzone multiplier on bruiser bodies
or not, since the LMB bolt does the appropriate damage to a bruiser's body
lyric burrow
This game is well made
spice veldt
hmmm, it doesn't seem to be a hitzone multiplier
since if i shoot the arms/legs which have a 0.75x multiplier on ranged damage, I do 233 damage, and that's 75% of 310
the same happens to dreg bruisers where i do less damage than as stated on the table
so i guess the voidstrike just does less damage to bruisers for some reason???
fiery plume
Is it worth while to gamble on Melk for curios?
spice veldt
the mystery shop is a complete scam
i'd only spam it if you have a bunch of spare milk bottles
i guess it's like brainburst which has a different base damage for some enemies
fiery plume
Mm... For the Deimos, is it worth while to spam the alt fire attack on bosses? Or just h1/h2?