I prefer antax for the op 1.3 cleave.
#psyker-class
plucky flax
strong thicket
I prefer antax for the op 1.3 cleave.
I like 2 shotting the crushers 
plucky flax
And better push attack on antax.
strong thicket
And better push attack on antax.
It still staggers ragers out of their combo so it's enough for me
teal needle
I've come around on gunker, been getting good use of shredder on 4
plucky flax
Yeah but the push attack on rashad does like no damage against horde. And without bm I find myself having to incorporate quite a lot of push attacks.
agile garden
I got distracted but if I only consider heavy attack 1 (won't be doing that vs infested) and only fight 1 of each enemy then I am getting a net increase of 120 damage vs if I take flak then I only get a net increase of 50 across the board. Doesn't make fighting a particular enemy easier though.
steel flame
god what a shit show of a match i just had, i was playing with 3 zealots and ended up with most ranged damage, most melee damage, most kills in melee and range, and got all of them up multiple times
didnt make it past the elevator section on the archivum sadly cause they all did hero deaths out in the open to a sniper
mind you that was with the surge staff
and only pulling out my force sword exactly twice the whole mission
cant make this shit up sometimes
harsh urchin
flamer zealots smh
steel flame
DAYUM
stick blazing spirit on there over warp flurry
you got yourself a perfect fire stick
ornate hamlet
ive only really played with the purgatus staf/autopistol/revolver
trauma staff seemed kinda odd to me, just useful to stagger
but maybe i just dont know how to use it
steel flame
do you know how to quell cancel staves?
ornate hamlet
you mean the main left click attack?
steel flame
r after casting
spice veldt
trauma has infinite cleave which makes it pretty good already
ornate hamlet
yeah ive done so
steel flame
yeah you can crit like crazy and light the whole map on fire spaming fire trauma
spice veldt
just that it also sucks from low stats because of the charge rate scaling it has (2.5 to 1 second)
lunar hollow
trauma has infinite cleave which makes it pretty good already
my single autopistol shot ruining any hopes the trauma user had of quickly dealing with the shooter patrol:
spice veldt
bitch
ornate hamlet
idk
steel flame
you cant kill them if i knock em on the ground first
lunar hollow
the shooters scatter. i rejoice.
spice veldt
eat my ass
ornate hamlet
using the trauma staff always seemed like more work to do something another staff can do better and more easily
steel flame
100%
lunar hollow
eat my ass
not into that
steel flame
loads of work
ornate hamlet
so im glad i got a good roll but i like
dont really like the gameplay of it
which kinda sucks
steel flame
keep it for when you feel like mixin it up
ornate hamlet
oh defo
spice veldt
there's a learning curve but it feels fine to use after putting some time into it
ornate hamlet
its currently my highest IL weapon iirc
spice veldt
i don't find it particularly effortful to use the trauma, though i also have a lot of hours into it
steel flame
if you dont like regular trauma play i dont recommend keeping flurry, its rather slow
the gameplay that is for it
ornate hamlet
steel flame
feels slow
ornate hamlet
byeah
lunar hollow
i don't find it particularly effortful to use the trauma, though i also have a l...
finding the 1 pixel that puts your epicentre where u want it to be on the staircase
steel flame
god i wish i had a fire trauma that good
spice veldt
i practice social distancing and stay 20m away from all enemies that are on stairs
ornate hamlet
bruh idk why the game chose for this one to be the god roll
its weird cuz i just got it from a normal heresy mission iirc
was a blue trauma staff with warp nexus 4 and i was gonna just hand over the weapon to get the blessing
ended up upgrading it and this came out lol
ornate hamlet
only rlly kept it cuz i knew that the max stats for the modifiers is like 380 iirc
so it being 371 was tempting
steel flame
you made a good choice
ornate hamlet
i guess i'll watch some guides on how to use this really
steel flame
thats pretty much perfect
ornate hamlet
its a good weapon from what i hear
spice veldt
warp flurry is meh, but it's also one of the better blessings by process of elimination so i run it
and i like having focused channeling, so that prevents me from running blazing spirit + nexus
steel flame
i guess i'll watch some guides on how to use this really
they gonna tell you to put brittle on it over nexus, dont listen to them, join the Fire trauma shadow wizard money gang
steel flame
i dont need a funny blessing to let me sprint slide you heretic
spice veldt
the main use i get out of it is to avoid being staggered out of a sprint from ranged attacks
spice veldt
and i don't run stamina or kinetic deflection, so I need something to save me when i get caught by ragers
ornate hamlet
so i dont really need it
steel flame
and i don't run stamina or kinetic deflection, so I need something to save me wh...
sounds like a skill issue
spice veldt
it's mostly for being out in the open and spamming sprint-slides to avoid getting owned while dealing damage
spice veldt
since i'm lazy and like to have a good field of vision when aiming my trauma
steel flame
nice
ornate hamlet
idk what to do with it
spice veldt
sounds like a skill issue
TRUE
ornate hamlet
tbh ever since i heard about gun psyker builds
they became the most fun to run for me
so i stopped thinking about whats good on staffs lol
other than warp nexus is just good on all of them
ornate hamlet
revolver psyker is so much fun
steel flame
idk what to do with it
embrace the quell cancel and learn to do this https://streamable.com/wiyjz4
spice veldt
not great on trauma or voidstrike unless you're running blazing spirit on them
ornate hamlet
i already was doing that yeahg
spice veldt
crits are only 1.15x damage on trauma and 1.3x on voidstrike (and the multiplier is lowered when you hit a weakspot)
steel flame
you can get a 45% crit rate on the surge and the m1 spam just melts all the things
ornate hamlet
voidstrike is the only staff i havent played with
but it seems funny
well i mean, i have played with it, i just havent built around it i guess
the only class ive played in darktide has been psyker only lol
steel flame
its very satisfying stunning a couple ragers with the lightning then deleting them with m1 spam in seconds
ornate hamlet
i already get that with the autopistol tho
or revolver
takes like 1 or 2 shots
1 if it crits, which it usually does
steel flame
oh i know, ive got a shredder build for psyker and its stupid good
but i also like to mix it up and push the limits of other stuff in the game too
ornate hamlet
the only build ive done that ive tried to build myself and ended up being good was the revolver build i have
steel flame
nice
ornate hamlet
steel flame
im still hunting for a not terrible revolver
meager plinth
One day the surge staff will have the surge blessing 
ornate hamlet
it was so
lame
cuz i was hunting for the speedloader blessing
and it doesnt make any difference for the revolver
steel flame
yeah.....aint that a bitch
ornate hamlet
i just wish it came with an actual speed loader lol
steel flame
half the blessings do nothing for the revolver
steel flame
trick shooter cant even get full stacks because the gun only has 5 bullets
ornate hamlet
itd be so much fun
steel flame
amazing game design right there
steel flame
you made a good choice
ornate hamlet
cuz i do the john wick thing of uh, killing people with my sword and then quick switching to the revolver to 1 tap 2 elites lol
it feels cool to do
steel flame
it resets when you stop aiming too
ornate hamlet
funny that
i also dont get much of the hypothetical use of running the ones that give you more damage the more weakspots you hit
like yeah you wanna always aim for the head but the revolver does just fine with bodyshots
and it usually crits so
ive been wondering if i could make a lasgun build for psyker though
but i havent seen any that catches my eye
steel flame
laspistol is fun
ornate hamlet
from using it it just seems like a revolver but you trade damage for consistency
which is good in its own right
steel flame
recon is good after the buffs, not as overwhelming as shredder but decent enough
steel flame
when they do im sure it will be in a way that guts the entire weapon unintentionally
ornate hamlet
probably
all ive heard about the nerfs is that people were pissed off about the sword veterans had
i dont know much about that though
ornate hamlet
im just glad they gave us the illisi or whatever its called
spice veldt
god bless fatshark
ornate hamlet
i like running that sword with the warp absorption feat
spice veldt
they heard that psyker melee sucked and instead of buffing the shitty melee weapons, they decided to give us two of the better melee weapons in the game
ornate hamlet
i just wish they gave us more movement options
maybe with the new subclasses
surely
spice veldt
love the illisi for peril generation during melee without a stupid special that locks you in place
i find the movement in this game to be pretty good already
steel flame
i love dancing around with the knife
spice veldt
i'd figure that new subclasses would modify these existing movement options or give benefits from them like vet's duck n' dive
steel flame
so absurd
spice veldt
COUGH COUGH MIND IN FUCKING MOTION
ornate hamlet
then i'll be happy
spice veldt
veteran of all classes getting a feat that grants a bonus for dodging
steel flame
dont forget they also gave him 5% higher crit chance
fresh panther
veteran of all classes getting a feat that grants a bonus for dodging
Probably so they're encouraged to try it instead of tanking all the damage
steel flame
oh hey jawa
spice veldt
too bad that there's a mechanic that refunds your stamina if you get hit and are at <50% stamina
and duck n' dive competes with unwavering focus
THANKS FATSHARK
steel flame
too much hand holding for the 41st millenia
spice veldt
god you can really just smell the lack of time they had with several aspects of the game
unwavering focus and duck and dive are just one of the ones that pisses me off the most
fresh panther
oh hey jawa
Hello sibling!
Thanks again for the quell cancel / build tips I'm excited to spam trauma fire again soon haha
fresh panther
Using quell cancel to quickly fire off M2 attacks at minimum charge from a trauma staff on hordes
It lights everything on fire very quickly and CC's everything
ornate hamlet
i thought you could only quell cancel the normal M1 attack
fresh panther
The difference is less pronounced but still noticable
agile garden
Using quell cancel to quickly fire off M2 attacks at minimum charge from a traum...
I am having trouble with the timing. How did you get it?
plucky flax
Using quell cancel to quickly fire off M2 attacks at minimum charge from a traum...
I still use full charge on my blaze trauma on horde. Body parts flying is too good.
harsh urchin
and duck n' dive competes with unwavering focus
Well UF is just overtuned rn lol
It should be 50%
They literally nerfed the zealot 75% crit toughness to 50%
And left UF untouch
spice veldt
i'd run it over duck and dive even if it was 50%
because there's still the whole mechanic of regenning stamina from getting hit
lyric burrow
plus it works well with CF
actually idk what duck and dive even does
cause i never see it
hidden crystal
On that note, the AHK script I wrote yesterday to automate dodge slides. If the space bar is tapped for less than 250ms, it'll just tap the space bar; If it's pressed and held, it'll press the Ctrl key after 250ms and hold it until you release.
(I could precompile the script, but letting people compile it themselves with AHK lets them see there's no dodgy code in there - even so, there's a fair chance anti-virus may quarantine it anyway. I've had to pull basically all of my AHK scripts back out of Avast's quarantine).
(Also, edit it themselves if they have different key bindings).
plucky flax
Thank you I will try it this weekend!
fresh panther
I am having trouble with the timing. How did you get it?
Zazy showed me the ropes yesterday, trying it slower and gradually speeding up seemed to help
steel flame
Hello sibling!
no problem glad to help
lyric burrow
im stuck with t3 infested damage on a blaze trauma staff will that damage actually screw me over and not let me proc crits cause they just die even to min charge or does it not matter cause of the low damage radius
part of the RMB
idk what to callit
steel flame
i thought you could only quell cancel the normal M1 attack
yea you can do it with every staff primary and secondary
lyric burrow
nvm i tested it looks like itll be fine
steel flame
surge staff doesnt get much from the m2 QC though cause you get locked into the animation and cant cancel that
lyric burrow
is AB required for the blaze trauma build or am i fine running KB since trauma itself/melee can also horde clear while fire is going
plucky flax
Anything on blaze trauma is fine but flak damage + crit chance are best combo.
I personally run wildfire ab.
lyric burrow
yeah i have crit chance
spice veldt
on the trauma in particular, there is a 0.6 second delay between each cast if you just hold RMB. You can quell ~0.3 seconds after a cast, so you can cut the downtime in half if you do perfect inputs (or just hold your quell key for 0.25 seconds to get a tick of quelling off)
lyric burrow
so do i want to hold it or no
spice veldt
i'd assume you want to get a quell off since you're prob using a 420blazeit trauma at 100% peril
lyric burrow
i meant like to cancel
spice veldt
you can just tap it for an instant to anim cancel out of the downtime
lyric burrow
is it quell while holding or do i need to re hold it per quell
ill play around with it
spice veldt
(owned)
steel flame
yeah yeah whatever
i dunno what it is but i struggle to get the QC goin when im not actually hitting enemies
its wierd like the inputs are sticking when im just doing it in open ground
ornate hamlet
inb4 the game is coded so that recovery takes 0.135s longer when hitting nothing
steel flame
well glad i wasnt imagining that
ornate hamlet
I was 
steel flame
lol
i cant for the life of me do the stupid fast cancel in the psykanium
dunno why
sucks the creature spawner is still crashing the game
id love to fill the entire room with enemies then mulch them all in a glorius hellfire
spice veldt
here's a fix from the modding discord #1079236212239384597 message
steel flame
sweet, ill go pick that up
sturdy quest
anyone got advice on how to get the powerup penace?
warm sequoia
Thank you! I did it the same way just now.
winged agate
So I just started leveling my psyker finally, and I was wondering- Is the Trauma Staff one of those weapons that gets better when you can get ahold of a good one/have all your feats available?
I've heard a lot of people saying it's great, but using one at level 10-20 right now, it's generally inconsistent and not very effective
spice veldt
oooh trauma is really shit at lower ratings
it has one of the widest stat scalings of the weapons in the game
charge rate scales from 2.5 seconds to 1 second
winged agate
oh god
spice veldt
blast radius is similarly ridiculous
winged agate
So the 20% damage 14% charge rate shit staff is actually god awful, but the 380 rarity one later on is good shit, basically?
spice veldt
yeah
winged agate
Dope, i'll just rock the bowling ball staff while i'm leveling then.
spice veldt
on trauma, you can afford to not worry about the damage stat too much since it doesn't scale that much and you can usually hit the relevant breakpoints with the help of other things (though I like at least 60% damage for damnation)
winged agate
Thank you for the clarity! I was worried I was just not getting it lmao
spice veldt
god made trauma have one of the hardest stat scalings but also be the first force staff you unlock
winged agate
The bowling ball gets the job done at least for now, so.
spice veldt
actually damaging the trauma staff's reputation
lethal folio
It takes so long to get a trauma even worth upgrading.
but a well rolled one is probably the best psyker weapon.
fresh panther
god made trauma have one of the hardest stat scalings but also be the first forc...
I definitely thought it was trash when I was a new psyker
Doesn't help that it's harder to aim than the other three staves
Seeing another psyker stomp faces with a good one on damnation made me see the light
crude cape
i too thought it sucked
and now at lvl 200 or so its my main staff
so you guys aren't alone in that experience, what arco said is very true - they made the trauma the most stat and blessing dependant staff, and its the first one you unlock
that first week the game came out I went back to guns, until I got surge staff when i first unlocked trauma
"fuck this thing" i think i said lol after buying my first trauma at like lvl 5 or w/e
i almost re-rolled to vet that day
psykers were SO MUCH WORSE on launch than they are now
its crazy
insane number of buffs and balance fixes, staffs feeling bad at low levels, Illi and deimos didn't exist, warp charges did less dmg and fell off all at once
they were dark days for psyker players
fresh panther
I held off on staves until I tried a voidstrike and haven't used a gun since
crude cape
I held off on staves until I tried a voidstrike and haven't used a gun since
voidstrike is fun too ya, it was the first staff I 'mained'. Surge was the first one i tried after trauma but void is what made me go "ohh this is niceeee"
fresh panther
I have a 544 purgatus and surge staff, hopefully one day my trauma staff will look that good lol
crude cape
dont worry, its my only weapon this nice by a long shot
i rolled a 378 kantrael shotty on zealot yesterday base modifiers
got really excited
immedietely bricked it with bad perks and blessings
this is the wei
arguable +maniac, or +carapace or something could be better. But unarmoured means easy uncharged 1 shots on chaff and basic dreg shooter groups etc
which is nice
fresh panther
Yeah I forget how good my psyker has it sometimes, loading up another character is a grim reminder how much rolling the others have yet to do
hidden crystal
insane number of buffs and balance fixes, staffs feeling bad at low levels, Illi...
warp charges did less dmg and fell off all at once
Oh, that was painful.
Constantly playing the warp charge mini-game, and praying that a veteran didn't treat your BB aura as a targeting suggestion.
lyric burrow
Our melee was also worse
Duelling swords and obscurus are fine but less damage overall + losing it way easier made them worse than they are now
steel flame
ive finally picked up surge staff after awhile of really not liking it but once i figured out its m1 i think i really enjoy it
help i cant get my autopistol to render past 80-60p
also knife is now black circle XP
sigh
always somethin aint it
spice veldt
olive ember
Is josho claiming to be a psyker again
sinful vigil
whats the best dueling sword?
harsh urchin
they all suck
compact bluff
mk5 is a bit better than the other two but the weapons are so mediocre it doesnt matter too much
olive ember
whats the best dueling sword?
Deimos force sword
lyric burrow
mk5 and mk4 are decent, mk 5 horde clears with heavies and mk 4 with lights, single target isnt too bad on both but nothing crazy, mk2 is just bad
rampage/uncanny is best blessing combo
compact bluff
i sure do love having a wide sweeping heavy attack with 2.0 cleave
chrome arch
whats the best dueling sword?
Mk V Maccabean Dueling Sword can 1 shot flamers with 25 maniac (and 6 stacks [of course?] )
The one with highest heavy attack damage
sinful vigil
Good to know
steel flame
ya know what, im pretty happy with the surge staffs primary attack the way it is, but why cant it be a single target lightning bolt and not just another copy pasted fire ball
chrome arch
Oh it's useful
sinful vigil
I've been using too many force swords, trying to try something new
chrome arch
Still don't like purgatus' fard primary attack
steel flame
its meant for stagger really
chrome arch
It can AT LEAST push back poxbursters
lyric burrow
i used to not like it till i got used to staggering stuff with it
chrome arch
Honestly if Maccabean mk V dueling sword's lights were like 75 instead of 50 it would be great weapon
steel flame
at last i have completed my nearly perfect pitching machine
pine relic
Is psyker bugged right now, i just exploded without the animation
pine relic
chrome arch
You musta kept swapping or something before explosion I assume
steel flame
stuns can break the animation for boom
pine relic
it could be that
ionic shadow
so is the obscurus sword the best force sword i see all these guides using it but i feel the illisi force sword works better since it has no animation lock and dosent fuck with your camera
lyric burrow
so is the obscurus sword the best force sword i see all these guides using it bu...
no its the worst one
ionic shadow
no its the worst one
really??? ive been using it and its been pretty decent
lyric burrow
guides might just be from pre illisi/deimos
its decent
illisi/deimos is just insane
chrome arch
Deimos pimped up (slaughterer, stacks) can 1shot mutie with its follow up heavy
And I love it
Meme / 10
lyric burrow
illisi invalidates melee and can 2 shot mutants deimos can horde clear with lights/slaught one shots everything else
chrome arch
Yesh
ionic shadow
i have a crit on repeated hits and lvl2 defelctor and its been just so good
chrome arch
I purity seal that message
lyric burrow
so its not really a obscurus is bad and moreso the other things are just better
lyric burrow
but obscurus came first so guides might be pre update or they are just using obscurus cause they want to
ionic shadow
and the heavy charged swing is litterary a fucking powersword
chrome arch
With Ilissi you can spam forceEmpower
Kinda useful for Quietitude toughness generating
lyric burrow
it also procs unstable really well
chrome arch
Honestly, force swords are so good on Psyker I don't feel you could even give them up for anything else, at least IMO
lyric burrow
not unless your just trying something else
BM antax probably only thing that really holds up vs the others
some stuff can be decent with particular builds but still not illisi/deimos level
chrome arch
Antax by itself may be slightly better when heavy spamming crusher
lyric burrow
deimos with uncanny can delete a crusher iirc
chrome arch
Yis
Sadly my meemos has bloodthirsty, not sure if crit enpowered heavy 1shots crusher
lyric burrow
i wouldnt be shocked if it did esp with slaught stacks or unstable up
+warp charges ofc
chrome arch
Oh by the way I installed true lvl and now I know what lvl you are at about 100 missions done
About 30 (+45) [75]
lyric burrow
yeah checks out
im like level 170ish i think and ive done around 200ish missions although im not keeping close track
probably over 200 at this point i def got the 150
well actually assuming its the same amount of xp for a level up it would have to be around 300 missions
if you hit 75 in 100
chrome arch
Lion's share of missions was levelling on malice, then sticking to heresy before jumping into few damnation matches
Kind of mimics the natural process well :D
lyric burrow
oh true most of my levelling would be at damn which probably affects it
chrome arch
Can't imagine levelling other than malice (10+) and heresy (25+), people are bold
lyric burrow
yeah i took a while before hopping into damnation esp regularly
chrome arch
Still can't do T5 with my Ogryn comfortably
You kind of need a team
Well judging from today's discussions, I'm back to 25 flak on Surge, 25 unarmoured doesn't help much
lyric burrow
ill usually go flak unless its something like revolver that struggles vs unarmored
chrome arch
Revo kind of doesn't anymore but...
Not on someone like zealot, clean android OS style
When they need 25 unarmored to 1shot sniper in all scenarios
Like on my revo psyker I do flak and maniac
But zealot needs flak unarmoured, unless you're fine not killing dregs from time to time
Apparently, unarmoured forearms of enemies are the best tanking tool 
spice veldt
spice veldt
it is my greatest shame that i was ledged there
i used to fairly consistently just jump into the void
but i guess i haven't been doing it enough
steel flame
lol
spice veldt
we usually group up in zealot chat psyker chat #2 so feel free to invite yourself
steel flame
is it possible to set a name just for a specific discord?
answer is yes
there we go
never thought about if i could do a server nickname with my friend code in it
spice veldt
imagine having a custom name tsk tsk
steel flame
lol
steel flame
we usually group up in ~~zealot chat~~ psyker chat #2 so feel free to invite you...
psyker chat #2?
spice veldt
the one that a small group of people call zealot chat of course
i prefer to call things by their canonical names
steel flame
ah
cosmic sigil
I'd like playing with all of you
cosmic sigil
Because I'm French. Living in Oceania rn.
cosmic sigil
I shall add some of you yeah. We'll see if the ping is manageable.
steel flame
you can pick the missions and host, i play with people overseas all the time
cosmic sigil
I played during the cb with 1 in SF, 1 in Seatlle, 1 in HK and me In New Caledonia.
Do yeah. Possible
steel flame
sounds good
cosmic sigil
restive slate
Nope
gloomy gulch
the trauma sure has some "interesting" blessings it can get
restive slate
I like my Fire Trauma a lot
steel flame
aight so
i might have found some first rate cheese
so as you know ive been working my way through the staves screwing around with quell canceling them
and uh
well
the m1 on the fire stave as it turns out is stupid busted when youre spamming it really fast
as it turns out not only can it infinite stun lock every enemy in the game besides crusher, bulwark, mutant and monsters
it can also apply max stacks of 15 soulblaze just as fast as the charged fire can
both fire mods do in in just over a second
6.03s average for charged fire, 6.08s average for m1 spam
more testing is in order
meager plinth
how does the peril generation do?
steel flame
its not bad at all
i can keep it goin nonstop pretty much forever
ill have to make a clip after this mission
its kinda wierd, i can just wade through everything scot free cause i just lock everything in a stagger cycle
limber silo
I was in a mission with you dude. You blew up like, three separate times
I was Susie-Smitesalot, the zealot
steep bridge
Any good on Psyker? I know the 20%HP is suboptimal as i should be wanting to run Toughness but -
fresh panther
I was in a mission with you dude. You blew up like, three separate times
This checks out
limber silo
idk, grim res and mutie res aren't great
I'd say run it if you have zero better options
fresh panther
its kinda wierd, i can just wade through everything scot free cause i just lock ...
I believe it, I was stunlocking everything with m1 purgatus before I learned quell cancelling. Can only imagine what it's like with it
steel flame
I was in a mission with you dude. You blew up like, three separate times
yeah yeah whatever
its not like its easy
i get a little carried away sometimes
steep bridge
just download more peril smh smh
steel flame
HA
limber silo
You stun lock everything without spamming quell cancelling, purge is pretty good at stunning in general.
fresh panther
Who doesn't get overtaken with a little bloodlust from time to time
limber silo
I agree, seeing red is an issue with this game. Normally I bust from trying to squeeze in that last elite pop
also sometimes I forget that right bb generates more peril than left
steel flame
its more of an experiment tonight than anything, i can kill faster with the m2 but i can only sometimes lock down trash mobs and i cant really move, but with m1 spam i can lock down everything except crushers and mutants and move at regular speed and keep the stun goin for ages
and i can blind my teamates
bonus points
limber silo
Fair enough. I just find it sweaty and unnecessary. If I need to stun something, I just give it a double tap and a special stab from fs
steel flame
oh its very sweaty
i like sweaty
its way more fun than playing psyker the "correct" way
limber silo
I enjoy playing well. I think it's good to play to a high degree, but sweaty strats are where I draw the line. I refuse to whip stack in Terraria, I won't quell cancel here (maybe for Void, idk)
Sweating is for sweats, and I'm no sweat
steep bridge
just run a gun, the most fun i had on psyker in months
steel flame
you defiantly wouldnt like the way i play fire trauma, im borderline blowing up all game long with that thing for 30minutes straight, but it does get results
i can keep it down to 1 or two booms per night if im doin quell cancel trauma since im pretty used to that by now
limber silo
Counterpoint: I cannot kill heretics while laying on the ground
steel flame
whats life without a little risk
ill admit i was managing my peril like shit tonight though
oh well
always tomarrow
steel flame
I enjoy playing well. I think it's good to play to a high degree, but sweaty st...
this is how im using trauma most of the time
limber silo
By the throne...
steep bridge
man is playing the 40k boombox
limber silo
You are my upstairs neighbor, aren't you?
steel flame
maybe
limber silo
Stop blowing up the floor, that's my fuckin ceiling
steel flame
lol
steep bridge
Sefoni be like "Oh yeah hes doing it again, god dammit."
limber silo
Although once you got the rhythm, that was quite impressive
near wyvern
just run a gun, the most fun i had on psyker in months
You don't need run and gun, you can do a single LMB without interrupting your running (and avoiding ranged) if you sprint slide LMB and quell cancel it before you end your slide
steel flame
I wish run and gun affected quelling. Quell canceling cancels the sprint much sadge
Hang on a moment
Do I smell a use case for mind in motion?
compact bluff
but if run and gun let you quell then what would be the point of the all important feat that 102% of psykers use, mind in motion
steel flame
I must test this tomorrow
compact bluff
and no you dont im pretty sure when i tried to use mind in motion it stopped sprinting. i can go test it right now
steel flame
Shit I might actually take mind in motion if you could sprint while quelling too
Mind gears are turning
steep bridge
mind in motion stops sprinting, youre just not snail slow while using it
compact bluff
yup. no sprinting with mind in motion
steel flame
With the quell canceling purgatus it's kinda tough to slide with it so might experiment with mind in motion to see if it's worth a pick for and oddball build like I'm thinking up
I'm gonna miss that 30% damage reduction though. Guess we shall see
I am going to sleep now
compact bluff
with a staff while walking it isnt even useful since staves have a higher movespeed while quelling
so with mind in motion, doing a quell cancelling fire, you'd probably only be moving like ~5% faster
steel flame
Probably
compact bluff
its funny though so hey theres that
compact bluff
it is funny to do really sily stuff in this game
like do a very specific setup that allows you to skip both the middle event and the end event in consignment yard
steel flame
Welp off to bed I go before my head explodes in real life too
plucky flax
Any good on Psyker? I know the 20%HP is suboptimal as i should be wanting to run...
Why is hp suboptimal? I run triple hp + extra hp curios.
mild lotus
Because the feats of psyker regenerate thoughness and not health so whenever you regenerate x% thanks to a feat, if your max toughness is higher, you regenrate even more toughness than you would at base stats.
Max hp is good mostly has a sub perk imo
spice veldt
toughness regenerates but you could also make a case for the higher flat value that you gain from +HP, the ranged dmg reduction on toughness break, taking hits consecutively without a chance to regenerate your toughness, attacks which destroy your toughness regardless of its flat value (snipers, bursters, bombers/flamers)
mild lotus
Ask Josho to pop the burster for you
spice veldt
NO
mild lotus
I'm sure he'd love to pop your burst
spice veldt
TRUE
mild lotus
Btw, I need to know if someone here has figured out wether if kinetic shield dmg reduction increases even further if you have 6 max charges rather than 4.
The description states a reduction ranging from 10 to 33% based on your charges stored. Does the scaling adapt to 6 max charges and basically gives you a lesser bonus for each charge or does it go even higher than the maximum 33 without telling you?
I suspect the former
spice veldt
it's fatshark descriptionitis back at it again
it still scales off of peril
it's just that in the code, peril is called 'warp charge'
spice veldt
ye
plucky flax
Yeah but with no hp you die to grim corruption
spice veldt
don't talk to me or my 30 HP ever again
mild lotus
Blunt issue
spice veldt
the description was correct before a recent patch but then they borked it
mild lotus
Ogryn promoted to lead dev I suppose
spice veldt
this is one of the cases where I kinda understand it but God damn they certainly could have future-proofed their names a bit
mild lotus
Well, the feat still makes some sense in a way, it goes well with unleashed
spice veldt
I love it
mild lotus
I tried using quicken since it got buffed. The faster charge stacking feels really great.
spice veldt
I don't brainburst a lot or run communion, so quicken is not for me
psykinetic's aura is usually enough to cover my CDR needs
mild lotus
You don't need to bb a lot to have good value from quicken
Charges come faster especially if you run 6 charges and you get your ult back fast when shit hits the fan
spice veldt
time that i'm spending BBing is time spent not doing something else, which is almost always more worth it than BBing, and i run the trauma staff so i don't need the stagger from the ult as often
i just need my ult up for protecting myself from doggies and trappers
or for BBing a sniper/bomber in the distance while i'm near some enemies, where kinetic barrage will cut down on the time that I spend vulnerable
mild lotus
Side dodges are enough to avoid trappers and dogs
spice veldt
dogs are the most unreliable pieces of shits
i will never ever trust anything except my ult or melee
mild lotus
Blunt issue
spice veldt
if i'm in the middle of a swing or activation animation, i am fucked if my ult isn't up
since the ult can be used any time as long as you're not sliding
spice veldt
this is one of my favorite moments of my ult saving me https://streamable.com/o1k1a5
i am extremely greedy for kills, so I like to test my luck and run up to trappers
either they decide to shoot me when i'm too close, my ult is up, or i get absolutely FUCKED
guilt-free usage of my ult without dropping my warp charges is nice since i don't really manage them
so something that dumps them would destroy my economy of warp charges
mild lotus
With quicken, it goes back up in seconds.
spice veldt
i actively avoid BBing sometimes because i'm stubborn
though i've been BBing more often now that I realize that i can snipe flamer kills
mild lotus
Bosses are rarely a major trouble tbh.
harsh urchin
they are when 2 people are dead
mild lotus
Dispose of the surrounding mobs first and then focus on the big guy.
spice veldt
they are absolute menaces if there are other spawns and the area isn't easy to kite
beast of nurgle is menacing if i can't kite, though there are only really a few areas where it can occur
Plogryn is not too bad but I also tend to whiff
i hate the chaos spawn
harsh urchin
ye it usually comes down to your teammates
i can handle tanking boss+horde and boss+horde+1 special
but if they're just tunnel visioning dps the boss and ignore the sniper/dog/bomber
it starts to become very hard
languid tusk
so something that dumps them would destroy my economy of warp charges
i actually rage quit my psyker over that bs
my level 30 perk makes my ult actively worse ? what is this
mild lotus
Use the third feat then
It doesn't delete your charges and gives you a straight boost to your bb.
It's sort of the default choice if all else doesn't suit you.
plucky flax
they are when 2 people are dead
When you're alone it's better. 
whole oxide
idk why everyone posting that toughness>health for psyker curios, when that's definitely incorrect
kind jay
yeah the actual answer is none of them matter
bleak tulip
yeah lets not stack up the infinite resource and focus on the finite one instead that only gets depleted when you fuck up
???
spice veldt
mistakes happen
whole oxide
there's statistics to back up health>toughness
toughness takes more damage from many attacks, and gets completely removed by some, health doesn't
spice veldt
playstyle affects the effectiveness of toughness or health
for me, toughness is better
whole oxide
and generally when you die, it isn't from chip damage over time, it's from getting combo'd by specials
spice veldt
i feel more able to be aggressive with toughness and thus be able to push the map faster
bleak tulip
if you get your toughness stripped and dont have a backup to restore it you fucked up tbh
spice veldt
mistakes happen
bleak tulip
sure mistakes happen but health cant really offset those much either
spice veldt
it will offset getting shot by a sniper or taking consecutive hits
bleak tulip
I'd rather be able to tank more mistakes
whole oxide
when attacks do 3x more damage to toughness than health, yes health will offset better
bleak tulip
toughness can be restored in like one second
spice veldt
if you're running something like warp absorption sure
but even with the illisi without warp absorption, it'll take a good while
whole oxide
if I get 1 second to restore toughness, then I'm safe anyway
spice veldt
e.g., a special activation + heavy swing takes 1.3 seconds
whole oxide
i only die when i don't have 1 second
bleak tulip
ok tough guy
spice veldt
quietude with an 80% quell speed staff and from 100% peril regens 24.6% toughness per second
bleak tulip
e.g., a special activation + heavy swing takes 1.3 seconds
dont people still run quitude and just shout
thatll get you part of the way there
spice veldt
that's still only 25% toughness
spice veldt
and you have to account for the time that it takes to regenerate another portion of 100% peril
bleak tulip
without totally ruining all your health
spice veldt
yeah, but you're not regenning 0% toughness to 100% in one second without warp absorption or running a specced out illisi against groaners
bleak tulip
I mean even with other staves getting to 100 isnt that hard and venting isnt that bad
even if you have to manually do it
spice veldt
it still takes a decent amount of time
trauma takes 1.9 seconds per cast (1.3 second cast time and 0.6 second downtime) for ~25% peril with high stats
4 casts takes 7.6 seconds
is my math right
no it's not
bleak tulip
sounds like "just run warp absorption"
spice veldt
you could, but I like the generality of quietitude and find the burst toughness from killing with the illisi good enough in most scenarios (though I stack toughness which helps with that)
whole oxide
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/14iynw5/curio_data_from_700_public_high_intensity/
To summarise: "Veterans and Pyskers with at least 2 Health Curios were downed a statistically significant amount of times less."
kind jay
bleak tulip
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/14iynw5/curio_data_from_700_public_hi...
Psyker has the largest variance in damage taken, and had the most 0 damage taken games.
literally just dont take damage tho
spice veldt
for pub players, but I am certain that toughness is better for my playstyle
whole oxide
Which makes sense, because between infinite dodges, kinetic deflection, deflector, you aren't going to be taking a continuous stream of small hits, you're going to block/dodge 90% of stuff
the way playing pskyer goes is you take 0 damage, until you get wombo-combo'd, and then you insta-die
it's not a continuous stream of small hits you ahve to worry about, it's the 1 big insta-death where your toughness gets stripped by fire and then a rager smacks you
bleak tulip
if you get wombo combod you and your team fucked up and basically any class gets shafted minus zealots who just go "lol imma leave" and die after their charges are empty
spice veldt
continuous streams of small hits do matter such as for hit trading or devoting my mental attention somewhere else
or being more aggressive against ranged enemies
bleak tulip
to me its more about making those fuckups mean less by not even taking health damage at all
rather than build around taking health damage
spice veldt
toughness isn't as great against melee, but it's nice against ranged
especially since toughness prevents stagger from ranged damage
whole oxide
if i've fucked up, i'm going to be losing all my toughness regardless of toughness curios
spice veldt
sure, but toughness also affects flat toughness regen from feats and melee
manic halo
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/14iynw5/curio_data_from_700_public_hi...
so i should stack 3 wounds
got it
bleak tulip
if i've fucked up, i'm going to be losing all my toughness regardless of toughne...
and I made the opposite experience, I very often dont lose all my toughness in one go
spice veldt
+toughness isn't just a buffer but it also affects your regen
bleak tulip
so i should stack 3 wounds
ogryn gaming
manic halo
you joke but I do that shit
whole oxide
i'm pretty sure that 90% of my deaths are due to getting mutie-smashed/thrown/netted/dogged inside bomber/flamer fire, where toughness is literally irrelevant, but health can sometimes let me get out alive
bleak tulip
i'm pretty sure that 90% of my deaths are due to getting mutie-smashed/thrown/ne...
okay but "sometimes" isnt a strong enough argument for me tbh
grizzled iris
i'm pretty sure that 90% of my deaths are due to getting mutie-smashed/thrown/ne...
Sounds more like an issue with gameplay than curios
bleak tulip
I'd rather be able to tank more stray hits when team cohesion isnt the best, say in pubs
whole oxide
it's the only situation that matters to be, so sometimes is the only argument needed
spice veldt
that's a strong take
bleak tulip
I mean thats fine but then dont go and say "its objectively better"
spice veldt
those are not the only situations that matter
being able to push more aggressively does matter
whole oxide
"Veterans and Pyskers with at least 2 Health Curios were downed a statistically significant amount of times less." is pretty objective
bleak tulip
Findings: For personal numbers, Toughness Curios provided a statistically significant reduction in damage taken.
its almost like this isnt the most scientific test in the world
spice veldt
> Findings: For personal numbers, Toughness Curios provided a statistically sign...
damage taken only accounts for health damage
spice veldt
of course you're going to take less health damage with more toughness
bleak tulip
in my mind, losing the more finite resource is worse than losing the infinitely regenerating and restorable resource
and I personally gel better with it
especially since points at name
spice veldt
i'd run health if I weren't as aggressive
whole oxide
in my mind, losing the more finite resource is worse than losing the infinitely ...
this is assuming a model where you take a continuous steam of damage, it doesn't fit with a model where you're taking a single spike of life-threatening damage
grizzled iris
Basically it goes something like this:
Experienced and good players benefit more from toughness because it allows more aggressive plays.
Less Experienced players benefit more from Health since they generally makes more misstakes which costs them health
golden tartan
this is assuming a model where you take a continuous steam of damage, it doesn't...
This happens with more aggressive pushing tbh
bleak tulip
this is assuming a model where you take a continuous steam of damage, it doesn't...
but thats most of the gameplay in my experience
whole oxide
if your job was to survive standing infront of a single gunner and survive as long as possible, yeah, toughness better, but that's not playing right at all
golden tartan
Cos fookin stalker walls
grizzled iris
but thats most of the gameplay in my experience
Sounds like a less Experienced player
spice veldt
if your job was to survive standing infront of a single gunner and survive as lo...
or running into ranged patrols
golden tartan
Deflector imho isnt a great blessing
Its fine but its not great
Its very passive
bleak tulip
Sounds like a less Experienced player
or someone who plays less with pubs
spice veldt
you could use deflector aggressively
i just don't use it since trauma is good enough for anti-ranged stuns and i don't run stam/kinetic deflection, and i have a DPS mentality
grizzled iris
or running into ranged patrols
Running into ranged patrols? What you on about, we both know you and I blow the patrols up with our traumas when they appear.
spice veldt
TRUE
golden tartan
i just don't use it since trauma is good enough for anti-ranged stuns and i don'...
Kinda, its still usually worse at covering distance than sprint sliding.
spice veldt
but i did use deflector a bunch when i was starting out like that
but safer than sprint-sliding
bleak tulip
there is a reason most of the omegasweats left the game already for VT, if you actually coodrinate with your team the instances of spiky wombo combos minimizes a lot
spice veldt
there's a probablistic element to sprint-sliding with how well you can do the inputs and when the ranged enemies shoot
golden tartan
Just not great
grizzled iris
Its a fine blessing
Its a blessing for less experienced players.
bleak tulip
at which point its just comfier for me to run toughness tbh
golden tartan
there is a reason most of the omegasweats left the game already for VT, if you a...
Also cos DT is a snooze when u run into the metaslave teammates
:P
spice veldt
i love my toughness https://streamable.com/kwcqps
grizzled iris
at which point its just comfier for me to run toughness tbh
In souls terms "Once you git gud"
bleak tulip
Also cos DT is a snooze when u run into the metaslave teammates
on that question, whats the latest staff meta
as per this channels hivemind
I havent played in a while
and havent been here
whole oxide
blazing-trauma is kinda flavour of the month
spice veldt
trauma babyyyyyyy
bleak tulip
people still surge snoozers?
grizzled iris
All staves are good except voidstrike. You pick whichever you pref
bleak tulip
but is it that awful spammy trauma play that I saw someone post?
spice veldt
you could also just run the usual warp flurry/rending/etc.
grizzled iris
you could also just run the usual warp flurry/rending/etc.
Hell no...
bleak tulip
All staves are good except voidstrike. You pick whichever you pref
makes me curious if thats actually the hivemind or just you trolling
spice veldt
or keep it in your back pocket and run melee as your main to avoid being trolly
whole oxide
i don't think blazing-traume is actually optimal, flurry-trauma does more damage, but blazing is just more fun
golden tartan
on that question, whats the latest staff meta
Pinning fire weapons, Power Sword, Illisi
grizzled iris
makes me curious if thats actually the hivemind or just you trolling
Not a troll, just reality. Voidstrike is dog shit in comparison to the others
golden tartan
And to a lesser extent, Bullbutcher, Caxe and Heavy sword
mild lotus
I rember when trauma used to be trash
bleak tulip
same
spice veldt
i loved my 47% peril trauma as a quietitude user
grizzled iris
When 1 charged attack cost you 60% peril? Yea... good times
mild lotus
What did they change to make trauma good?
grizzled iris
Reduce peril gained
whole oxide
they literally cut its peril cost in half
bleak tulip
Not a troll, just reality. Voidstrike is dog shit in comparison to the others
curious why that would be
I seem to be doing fine despite not having played in months
spice veldt
they cut the peril generation in half (47% to ~24%) and quelling speed buffs benefit the trauma staff in particular because it has the highest peril gen over time among the staffs
bleak tulip
void seems about the same as it used to
whole oxide
curious why that would be
because its shite against armoured elites, which is what is most trouble on HISG
mild lotus
You have bb and your sword against elites lol
whole oxide
elites, specials, thats what i meant
bleak tulip
the fuck is hisg
golden tartan
elites, specials, thats what i meant
Thats maniac not armoured
mild lotus
It's like saying shredder is trash because elites barely take any dmg from it
spice veldt
for reference, quelling used to be initially slow and speed up over time, with the first tick before quelling taking 500ms. Now, quelling has the same speed over time and takes 250ms per tick
whole oxide
let me rephrase before you all lose your minds
voidstrike is shite against large packs of specials/elites, particularly muties, rager-packs, bulwark/crusher packs
spice veldt
surge at least has a target limit, whereas voidstrike has a cleave limit and terrible single-target DPS
fluid knot
makes me curious if thats actually the hivemind or just you trolling
Its Hivemind, Void can be excellent
bleak tulip
surge at least has a target limit, whereas voidstrike has a cleave limit and ter...
what cleave limit
mild lotus
It's not meant for special killing anyway
bleak tulip
yeah
spice veldt
void is balanced but worse than the other staffs
whole oxide
void is fine, its not "bad", but its definitely the least useful of the 4 staves
spice veldt
voidstrike has a cleave limit of 6
fluid knot
I would have said Surge is the objectively worst staff
bleak tulip
void is more or less trash clear with mostly stagger against armor
spice veldt
aka 8 groaners, 6 poxwalkers, a single scab rager/mauler, etc.
fluid knot
voidstrike has a cleave limit of 6
Actually this is wrong. Void has a 6 cleave limit on body shots, not on headshots
spice veldt
weakspots have the same cleave limit as far as I can tell
fluid knot
Negative sir
mild lotus
Surge suffers from the "even ogryn could use it given how much it's dumb and uninteresting" syndrome
spice veldt
you'd have to post video evidence to prove me wrong
bleak tulip
weakspots have the same cleave limit as far as I can tell
sounds wrong
spice veldt
since in my testing, weakspots hit the same amount of enemies
bleak tulip
all my videos are from months ago lol
grizzled iris
curious why that would be
... okay I'll tell you and you'll just slide it off as me "Trolling" since you clearly are a voidstrike enjoyer hence your name.
Voidstrike is a long distance shooter killer, this is what it is ment to do, however in the state the game is in upfront and frontloaded damage is superior due to pushing forward is the meta. If you get into a long distance range battle and your team has no veteran then voidstrike fills a purpose but those situations are very rare and can easily be broken as well with other means. This makes the voidstrike less useful than the other staves because their purpose are almost always able to be done. While voidstrike is situational.
bleak tulip
but in my experience of yesterday I still shoot through the entire horde until it hits specialarmor or a wall
fluid knot
Void balls stop cleaving on weakspots when they hit a certain level of hitmass or a solid object yeah
mild lotus
Are we talking about the same staff?
spice veldt
voidstrike has pretty good suppression
whole oxide
killing basic-hordes doesn't add much to the team, everyone can do it, other staves bring something else too, but void only has basic-horde kill
whole oxide
Void has shooter kill
does it though? does it really?
golden tartan
Yes
bleak tulip
max range killing shooters behind cover
fluid knot
... okay I'll tell you and you'll just slide it off as me "Trolling" since you c...
Yeah noo... Void is a horde killed, you can kill shooters with it, but its very sub optimal to do so unless they're all clumped up together
grizzled iris
Trauma and purgatus and illisi have better horde clear than voidstrike
spice veldt
anti-ranged isn't as worth it nowadays
now that players are more accustomed with the movement system
and ranged enemies receiving nerfs
whole oxide
i mean, yeah, you can kill shooters with void, but its not really that fast compared to anyone with a gun, why would you want that?
fluid knot
Trauma and purgatus and illisi have better horde clear than voidstrike
Very, very debatable, Void rewards positioning, the other two dont require positioning, if you can get em in a choke, Void will kill them faster than either of the other two options
spice veldt
chokes benefit the trauma as well
whole oxide
trauma definitely kills faster than void in a choke
mild lotus
You don't have to wait for the burn to kill things with void
bleak tulip
chokes benefit the trauma as well
up to like 5 meters only tho
fluid knot
chokes benefit the trauma as well
Not to the same degree
golden tartan
i mean, yeah, you can kill shooters with void, but its not really that fast comp...
Because it adds on to their damsge
spice veldt
voidstrike still has that cleave limit
bleak tulip
void literally kills the whole line of trash as its coming at you
whole oxide
no, it doesn't, it has a limit
spice veldt
if it didn't have that cleave limit, then sure
fluid knot
Void's effectiveness is almost entirely based around where you are in relation to the enemies
bleak tulip
voidstrike still has that cleave limit
again are you absolutel sure about it?
grizzled iris
Yes
whole oxide
trauma and purgatus are unlimited
golden tartan
The 3 biggest threats in the game.
Mutant spam, fire everywhere and fucking shooter walls
whole oxide
which is why trauma/purgatus are the current meta staves
grizzled iris
You are talking to psyker mains with over 1000 hours in this game
fluid knot
voidstrike still has that cleave limit
Only on body shots, ive used Void for hundreds of levels, its only on bodyshots/certain levels of hitmass (which is actually useful if you need to break stuff up a bit)
grizzled iris
Stop trying to act smart
golden tartan
And when i say shooter wall i dont mean a half assed 20 stalkers
grizzled iris
You are going by outdated streamer info
bleak tulip
You are talking to psyker mains with over 1000 hours in this game
I asked a question brother lmao
I mean I certainly havent tested it recently but it didnt use to have one at least and it didnt feel like it when i played yesterday thats why I was confused
it felt the same it always did
I can absolutely be wrong
never said I wasnt
fluid knot
I have tested it.
golden tartan
it felt the same it always did
The other staves have gotten more use case
Tvf
Tbf
fluid knot
Void cleave is WAY more than 6 (on weakpsots)
mild lotus
I measure the void's cleave based on the KRRKRKRKRKRRKKKRR
whole oxide
even if we were to allow the void is slightly better at killing basic-hordes in some highly specific situations, it doesn't make up for the fact that void will do absolutely nothing for you in situation where you're penned in a corner by fire while a pack of 20 ragers/crushers/bulwarks is smacking you
bleak tulip
Void cleave is WAY more than 6 (on weakpsots)
this is also my experience of like 200 hours but yknow thats not 1000
I guess
grizzled iris
I asked a question brother lmao
"void literally kills the whole line of trash as its coming at you"
"again are you absolutel sure about it?"
You asked a question but you don't care about the answer you're trying to argue that we are wrong
golden tartan
even if we were to allow the void is slightly better at killing basic-hordes in ...
Purgatus does nothing then either tbh
spice veldt
voidstrike gets infinite cleave when the server lags which to be fair happens all the time
whole oxide
you said you didn't know what "HISG" was, which may explain the disconnect. void is great on regular modes, but falls off on HISG
spice veldt
but that's still only going to hit enemies touching its epicentre
bleak tulip
"void literally kills the whole line of trash as its coming at you"
"again are ...
the one you popped off at was a question, the rest was my short term observation
bleak tulip
you said you didn't know what "HISG" was, which may explain the disconnect. void...
oka you still havent explained what that is tho
fluid knot
even if we were to allow the void is slightly better at killing basic-hordes in ...
Yeah only Trauma and Surge is pulling you out of that, but lets be honest here, if you're in that position, you fucked up long before your choice of staff became relevant
bleak tulip
maybe thats the disconnect here
golden tartan
Yeah only Trauma and Surge is pulling you out of that, but lets be honest here, ...
This
spice veldt
mistakes happen
golden tartan
Thats what ya F is for tbh
mild lotus
Josho happens
spice veldt
F doesn't have consistent stagger over time
grizzled iris
Hisg
Hi-Intensity Shock Gauntlet
golden tartan
Tbh HiSG is hard skew
Its bring maniac damage or get fucked
A lot of very solid weapons suck in HiSG cos it cant stop 24k of maniac hp barreling down at you
fluid knot
Hisg
Hi-Intensity Shock Gauntlet
Personally i spend 80% of those using bb anyway, so what stave is all but a moot point
bleak tulip
well I never fuckin heard of hisg as I only started playing again yesterday so if thats the new "default" we're talking about my bad I guess I just play the game lol
golden tartan
Headhunter Autogun is a brilliant example
fluid knot
well I never fuckin heard of hisg as I only started playing again yesterday so i...
HiSTG is the new "hardest" modifier combo, but even then.. with a good team you can get through it easily enough
mild lotus
Autoguns are meh
bleak tulip
didnt expect the game to go into "more difficulty" mods alredy
golden tartan
The shitty variants
fluid knot
That is getting gud mate. Threat removal before they become a problem..
bleak tulip
took a little longer for that in VT iirc
whole oxide
i object to autoguns purely on aesthetic grounds, they don't feel 40k to me
mild lotus
They feel terrible to use
golden tartan
Ya tried a braced autogun?
fluid knot
didnt expect the game to go into "more difficulty" mods alredy
Its kinda harder, kinda not, like i say, if everyone has thier head on a swivel its really not that hard
If you have a shit team though, its pure suffering
golden tartan
Braced auto generally is regarded as easy to use and effective
bleak tulip
well it clearly is hard enough where entire weapons just fall off again even after they tried balancing for once
golden tartan
Its kinda harder, kinda not, like i say, if everyone has thier head on a swivel ...
Or if u have a dude with a recon lasgun 
fluid knot
well it clearly is hard enough where entire weapons just fall off again even aft...
Nah, they dont tho, its Elite Resistance modifier that kills most weapons viability, that one is just actually dogshit tho
grizzled iris
@spice veldt I leave the rest of the lectures to you. I'm going back to work.
whole oxide
but the argument that you can do the hardest difficult with any weapon if you have a good team, is not an argument for which weapon is "best", the best ones can save your team when shit is hitting the fan, they don't only work when everything's going smoothly
fluid knot
Or if u have a dude with a recon lasgun <:kekrat:712411289808404522>
Aye.. that is a bit of a sad case tbh
golden tartan
Nah, they dont tho, its Elite Resistance modifier that kills most weapons viabil...
Yea and its not even the hp
Its the stagger resistance
golden tartan
Vet shovel goes from being v good to hard AF to use cos you stop staggering
bleak tulip
some things dont change
fluid knot
Ye.. elitisim in gaming, who knew
grizzled iris
some things dont change
Like your "Skill" level 👌
golden tartan
but the argument that you can do the hardest difficult with any weapon if you ha...
Eh depends on what kind of shit and what kind of fan
bleak tulip
Like your "Skill" level 👌
holy shit lmao
go work homie
I cant take more of your coolness
golden tartan
A recon lasgun does better at killinh 6 snipers than a shredder autopistol for instance
fluid knot
Vet shovel goes from being v good to hard AF to use cos you stop staggering
Yeah.. stagger resistance is fucked in ER, very sadge, the HP bloat is kinda eh, but i do hope T6 is a bit more "thought about" before they put it in
bleak tulip
I wondered why I had that guy blocked already
golden tartan
Also a some weapons kinda just prevent shit from hitting the fan in the first place
bleak tulip
now I figure
spice veldt
voidstrike cleave limit https://streamable.com/l50hie
voidstrike having higher cleave isn't because of weakspots but because of the server lagging
the LMB bolt also gets infinite cleave when it lags
golden tartan
Yeah.. stagger resistance is fucked in ER, very sadge, the HP bloat is kinda eh,...
I dont think it invalidates any weapons except for the bad ones but yea
fluid knot
You missed the back two there pal
golden tartan
It makes things a lot more annoying if u arent running meta
spice veldt
golden tartan
And meta just doesnt care
fluid knot
Also is creature spawner back again?
spice veldt
(volume warning)
golden tartan
Like the Illisi still shreds through elite 5
spice veldt
if you're in the modding server, here's a fix #1079236212239384597 message
fluid knot
I dont think it invalidates any weapons except for the bad ones but yea
Anything that has a serious defficiency on certain damage types, even if they're otherwise good tbh
fluid knot
if you're in the modding server, here's a fix https://discord.com/channels/10483...
I am not, but i'll track it down soon, im still on vanilla atm
golden tartan
Maniac skew ftw
bleak tulip
https://streamable.com/v62hpv
oh you seem like someone woh would know, has it been confirmed now that psyk has the same logic as a real game yet, because there used to be myriad of inconsistencies back when I cared about this game
fluid knot
Just lazy when it comes to modding
golden tartan
Ngl maniac being the viability check is dumb AF
spice veldt
there are probably some inconsistencies that we don't know about
fluid knot
Ngl maniac being the viability check is dumb AF
Well if it wasnt maniac, it would be flak
golden tartan
Yea except 90% of weapons shit on flak
spice veldt
to my memory, the ones in the past related to blessings and all that i think?
probably more subtle effects though
fluid knot
Considering the layered armour setup they have in this game, they could have gone a lot further with locational fire
bleak tulip
yeah it was a lot of blessings and figuring out how soulblaze works
especially whats that last talent
spice veldt
ascendant blaze
fluid knot
Rather than just have enemies that are all X armour type
bleak tulip
yeah
golden tartan
Yep
bleak tulip
when we researched if AB gets triggered by normal damage while SB is on the target and if other people can cause the trigger
the latter of which seems to still not be solved
in my testing it didnt work but that was in the before times
whole oxide
i dunno, while in theory i like the idea of putting more thought into which body-part you hit, the reality ingame when you've got 500 enemies to deal with is that you're just mashing out damage in a general direction as fast as possible
fluid knot
i dunno, while in theory i like the idea of putting more thought into which body...
Thats all well an good for trash, but anything that could be considered a real threat would be much mroe friendly to the overall arsenal if they had armour types split up a bit more
To benifit different weapons in different ways
bleak tulip
voidstrike having higher cleave isn't because of weakspots but because of the se...
also this makes me think that servers just lag really frequently because I'm reasonably sure I reliably kill more than 6 enemies on lower difficulties lmao
whole oxide
i agree, but i don't think it'd change overall how people play all that much
golden tartan
i agree, but i don't think it'd change overall how people play all that much
Once again, depends on the weapon
fluid knot
also this makes me think that servers just lag really frequently because I'm rea...
I'll clip it later on, i know i cleave more than 6 in-game
golden tartan
People using the bolter or shredder? Yea no
spice veldt
when we researched if AB gets triggered by normal damage while SB is on the targ...
pygex did some testing on it
image is from here https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959
bleak tulip
pygex did some testing on it
yeah I read that
golden tartan
People using the vraks headhunters? Definitely yes
spice veldt
servers can still be pretty whack though i haven't had any noticeable problems anymore nowadays
bleak tulip
I'll clip it later on, i know i cleave more than 6 in-game
ping me for it I am curious but at work and might just drop out of the convo at any time
spice veldt
no floating enemies anymore
bleak tulip
because I am almost certain it happens a lot for me
but again, these people here know better than me for sure
so I dont doubt them
spice veldt
yeah it happens frequently
my argument is just that as a part of its base kit, voidstrike is limited to 6 cleave; and even when the server lags, the projectile will still disappear immediately after
golden tartan
Btw anyone tried the recon on psyker recently?
spice veldt
so you're limited to the radius of its epicentre (80% blast radius voidstrike)
bleak tulip
my argument is just that as a part of its base kit, voidstrike is limited to 6 c...
I cant say I ever had left clicks cleave tbh, but I also dont make a habit of shooting lmb at a group very often
whole oxide
recon on psyker is fine for any mode that isn't HISG, on HISG you'll just run out of ammo way too fast, unless you've got 3x Vets feeding you
spice veldt
compare this against the trauma (80% blast radius)
bleak tulip
but I guess more people use the bolt now? they finally realized how good it is lol
golden tartan
recon on psyker is fine for any mode that isn't HISG, on HISG you'll just run ou...
Uh vet aura doesnt stack
bleak tulip
compare this against the trauma (80% blast radius)
are these even relatable?
since its a whole different "projectile", or rather a projectile vs an aoe
I was underthe impression blast radius for void only meant the terminal explosion
manic halo
is there a tiiier list anywhere?
bleak tulip
which is mostly irrelevant
spice veldt
blast radius also scales the epicentre ye
just that it's not as useful because of the cleave limit and whatnot
whole oxide
Uh vet aura doesnt stack
yeah, but, people always in coherency is not something i assume
spice veldt
there's the epicentre projectile and the outer blast radius explosion
whole oxide
just saying, i play recon psyker from time to time, and i find it fine on anything other than HISG, where ammo becomes too much of a problem
bleak tulip
there's the epicentre projectile and the outer blast radius explosion
doesnt that radius only get triggered when the projectile terminates?
bleak tulip
then I misunderstand, how is this relevant to the main use case of cleaving through targets
bleak tulip
ngl still dont understand what blast radius has to do with that
does it determine the cleave limit for some reason?
spice veldt
more epicentre = more targets it can touch while it has infinite cleave
nah it doesn't affect the cleave limit
so when the server lags, it gets infinite cleave, and with a larger epicentre, it'll be able to touch more targets before it disappears
though it may or may not matter because of the epicentre not touching that many targets anyways
bleak tulip
see I dont think I noticed it ever just "disappearing" personally which is the root of my whole confusion
like at all
and I dont play on servers at like 180 ping