psyker-class

[strong thicket]

I feel like apart from trauma every other staff is nexus and flurry

[shadow onyx]

it happens even without shooting

if you push too late even if your push is correct

[strong thicket]

It also happens cause fartshart

So even if you push correctly the pox is just like "Nope, fuck you"

[shadow onyx]

because there is a timer and it doesnt stop if you do what the game expect fromyou so if you react too late you 'll see burster get pushed but instantly explode, and the radius is ludicrous so get rekt haha

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/1xaefh

at about 0:42

the burster doesnt blow up cuz im not the intended target

[patent steeple]

what if i replace barrage with focused instead of flurry on purge?

[lunar hollow]

uhhh

ur not really getting a lot of value

flurry is a big increase to ur uptime on blastin flames

[patent steeple]

fair point

[lunar hollow]

i would probably only recommend focused on trauma if u play super aggressive with it

[strong thicket]

Hate when that happens

Sometimes it'll randomly switch target midleap and you're screwed

[shadow onyx]

u right, but more exactly it doesnt blow up because it doesnt trigger the timer , you notice it because the sound doesnt rise pitch

[lunar hollow]

yes

u can intercept a burster if its close enough to its target to begin the explosion countdown

but if its not and u shove it now ur in a real awkward spot

[shadow onyx]

its so dum b

• the way aggro work in this game

[strong thicket]

Never bothered understanding it.

[shadow onyx]

me too, ust noticed its totaly fucked up, with rando aggro switch

[strong thicket]

I go close to enemy. It aggros? Good. It doesn't? Wtf? Good, shoot it, miss cause it sprints towards your ally

[shadow onyx]

yeah

[strong thicket]

They'll run through you for no reason at all just to get that backline psyker

[shadow onyx]

or the chao spawn rushing toward you even if your are the less close to the boss and vet in melee vs him dump a entire mag of bolter

[patent steeple]

btw, is using +2 stamina curio with deflector force sword and kinetic shield a good idea?

i ask because i feel like i might need the toughness DR when at 6 warp stacks on my flame build...

[safe crystal]

Dont try to trade shots with snipers

Learn from my mistakes

[strong thicket]

The chaos spawn is the most random boss. The other ones are locked like the dh or damage based

[shadow onyx]

and given how fucked up stagger work + you have no mass, he litteraly go through you like a ghost and doesnt give a shit if you load a IAG or braced in his face

because fuck you

[strong thicket]

Spawn is just like "You ugly ass mf, it's your turn now"

[shadow onyx]

it pisses me off so much

seeing shooters litteraly have kung fu move for supress animation and ignoring your stagger

[lunar hollow]

the funniest part is if u had a proper setup u wouldve eaten it with only toughness

[shadow onyx]

or special ignoring you shooting them

[strong thicket]

There's been hitreg issues for a while

[patent steeple]

any advice on this conundrum of mine, btw? i feel like you guys ignored my question because the answer is obvious, but idk what that answer is...

[strong thicket]

Seeing someone take a bolt to the chest and walk/run away always leaves be baffled

[strong thicket]

Stam is not really needed on deflector

[safe crystal]

Stamina is workable, its mostly personal preference with curios. Some people like running one stamina curio if they use KS, its not necessary if you use KD

[shadow onyx]

my theory is that when they run/ forward roll , they actualy locked into suppress animation and cannot be stagger during this time

[strong thicket]

Stamina helps with regular weapons cause you need push attacks, dodges and blocks

Deflector trivialises all that mumbo jumbo (given you pair it with ks)

Personally I run 2 health and 1 wound

[safe crystal]

Kinetic shield and kinetic deflection are mutually exclusive. I think they are talking about deflector on force swords

In which case stam is perfectly reasonable

I wouldnt know, im a KD stan

[patent steeple]

i am also talking about if using a setup that does not need peril blocking is needed/valid over KD just to use KS for the toughness DR.

[strong thicket]

Got them mixed up

Ogryn brain here

[safe crystal]

Its perfectly reasonable. I think Arcotash uses a single +3 stam with kinetic shield, he would know more than me. It gives you more wiggle room if you get lit up by gunners if you use deflector FS without kinetic deflection

[shadow onyx]

stam is always useful on psyker, idk if they changed that, but even with deflector / kinetic deflection if you have no stam you can be guard break

given how shit your stam is with FS

it a nice addition

[lucid terrace]

They should give psykers sandwiches

You also get to customize your sandwiches and they give different effects

[patent steeple]

i mean, i need to get more plasteel first anyway

[lucid terrace]

You can’t make a plasteel sandwich

But if you make a baloney, cheddar, and mayo sandwich on whole wheat bread you get 5% more plasteel

[strong thicket]

I bet morrow would trade you 10k plasteel for that sandwich

[compact bluff]

if you try to swap an ingredient off of the sandwich after putting it on, all the other ingredients get locked and you have to watch them rot in real time

[vital wind]

And here i am trying to rolla god tier BLT with 25% to tomato and t4 Mouthfeel

[lucid terrace]

Y’all, I just god-rolled the best sub

25% Ham 25% American, and T4 Savory

These poxwalkers won’t know what hit em

[vital wind]

Damn bro, if you can get the 10% to Crispness Morrow will send you on the next transport to Flavortown

[hidden crystal]

No, only the Ogryn with the Russian accent.

[restive slate]

Medic Psykers when?

Archimedes, my Beloved

[lucid terrace]

Bro are you actually gatekeeping sandwiches from us poor psykers???

I play psyker every day and get no food, and you ogryns get free boxes full of lunch

[hidden crystal]

That will be available to psykers with the male loner voice.

Fanatic voice zealots will get a grenade launcher.

[full bane]

Snooze you lose Spark’Ead

[mild lotus]

blows up sandvich with mind

[lucid terrace]

Get fucked, your sandwich is but pulp

[strong gulch]

I've seen the Ogryn's snack necklace. Ogryn sandwich might be as equally "tasty".

[silver oar]

just randomly got this

is this good

[cosmic sigil]

@feral verge

[feral verge]

He did it

Twin swords

Congrats

[silver oar]

the trauma staff actually looks decent

is warp resistance the throwaway stat

[feral verge]

On trauma? No

For force swords, yes. Double yes if you want to use unstable power + warp unleashed + quietude

Lets you generate peril FAST for instant damage boost/for quelling toughness back

[silver oar]

so that trauma staff isnt good

[feral verge]

'meta' trauma staff is warp flurry and rending shockwave blessings

And flak damage for perk

2nd perk is preference, usually between unarmored and infested

I'd want my warp resist on trauma to be high af

[silver oar]

so not good

??

[feral verge]

It's not bad

Quell speed is the dump stat on staves

It doesn't need to be high. Quelling is pretty fast as is

[steel flame]

???

[silver oar]

alright so i can use surge with good conscious

[steel flame]

arguably the best stave rightnow

[silver oar]

no i mean my roll

[feral verge]

That depends if you use it right

If you are using it on the horde/trash then you're using it wrong

[strong gulch]

If you're not familiar with Trauma, this is a good to get a feel for it.

Higher warp resistance is going to give you safer, more stream lined, and comfy game play.

[silver oar]

i like all the other staffs better

[strong gulch]

This roll is not bad, but it's not great.

It's decent enough unless you are trying to min/max.

Trauma kinda needs high rolls to really feel good tbh; but also if it's not your taste then it's not your taste.

[silver oar]

surge and purgatus are my favorites

whats throwaway on surge

[ornate hamlet]

Mobility, usually

Damage is okay if the user really is just using it as a CC tool, but sometimes it's nice for scab shooters and to pop the primary on enemies

[wet belfry]

Do you mean mobility is a dumpstat modifer on the surge staff?

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, you're stunning enemies anyway

[fluid knot]

Its not even a stat on staves

[ornate hamlet]

Oh

Then it's uhhh

[fluid knot]

Quell speed.

[feral verge]

Staff dump stat is quell speed

[fluid knot]

As it is on all of them

[silver oar]

is this one good

[steep bridge]

usable

[silver oar]

tried it out in the meat grinder

i actually like this one

which should i get rid of

im thinking top

in favor of damage against unarmored

or just general dmg against groaners poxwalkers

[broken birch]

doing lvl 5 missions is the lightning staff any good? Feel like I see people getting no kills with them

[silver oar]

not the point of it

[strong gulch]

Surge is for CC. Primary can be useful as needed, but most of your damage is going to be from BB and melee.

CC = crowd control
BB = brain burst

[broken birch]

whatre good blessing for them?

[strong gulch]

Warp flurry and warp nexus

[gloomy gulch]

Im assuming I keep infested here?

[strong gulch]

Yup.

Not gonna go much to carrot apple pee.

[gloomy gulch]

Wut?

[strong gulch]

lol
carapace

[oblique gulch]

should I keep this?

I feel like unstable is probs the best blessing, but am unsure, and know precognition can be an aight blessing

[silver oar]

should i keep this

i keep getting shit rolls after bad rounds

so im having a very bad night

[cosmic sigil]

you should put slaughterer instead of precog

nothing beats insane power on kills

[lyric burrow]

i wouldnt

i think you want really high burn and cloud radius is higher ideally

damage is also low

iirc damage doesnt matter at ton but enough you wouldnt want a 41 percent roll in it

[lyric burrow]

if it makes you feel better i spent like 200k+ trying to get a new trauma staff and didnt even get one worth upgrading

[silver oar]

the amount of effort i put into this game is not proportional to the results i get from it lol

[lyric burrow]

yeah this is a game i love with all my heart and even though ive only put 480 hours into it i def feel like im not always getting rewarded for keeping faith in it

but it doesnt help the stigma around the game is generally negative

[silver oar]

exactly my thoughts only i have 300

[lyric burrow]

im playing it less now but a lot of my time came from when i really really grinding and playing for 80 hours a week or something crazy

might have been closer to 70 but still

but yeah i think a lot of peeople still playing the game feel the same way

everyone else stopped putting up with it

[silver oar]

my favorite thing right now is trying to get a +3 stamina curio

[lyric burrow]

i cannot get those

i have one on my vet

[silver oar]

it keeps giving me +2 which yea is nice but ive checked the shop like 200 times now

[lyric burrow]

+2 isnt worth replacing my good health and toughness curios

[silver oar]

this is on my vet probably wrong chat lol but yeah related to the topic

any amount of stamina is good for that class

[lyric burrow]

yeah they do kinda need it

assuming you are running a weapon that cant just swing through a horde without worrying about block/push

[silver oar]

power cycler 3 power sword here, once i get 4 ill be more confident i can do what you mentioned

but ye theres another thing

blessings are a nightmare too like the amount of plasteel you need sometimes to get a blessing to earn

i feel like the first 2 consecrations should be plasteel only then the next 2 are diamantine

cause diamantine is in massive surplus on all my characters

[lyric burrow]

yeah everyone has extra diamantine

i have like 18k to my 12k plasteel

[silver oar]

are you able to get level 4 blessings when you get to blue tier? or is it always 3

[lyric burrow]

you can get 4 im pretty sure

think the only blessing cap is 2 in the regular shop

you are going for a blessing with access to level 4 right

[silver oar]

power cycler has 4 yes

[lyric burrow]

oh yeah ok

thats just a rare blessing

[silver oar]

wait blessings dont have the same chance to show up as eachother?

i thought they all were equal chances

[lyric burrow]

im dont think they are cause people were buring through diamantine to get power cycler pre patch where they added 3

same way some people have played for hundreds of hours and never seen bloodthirsy

could just be the way rng works

[silver oar]

whats bloodthirsty again

which wep is that on

[restive slate]

Its Darktide gacha

[lyric burrow]

100% crit chance on special activation kill

[restive slate]

Chainweapons and forceswords

[lyric burrow]

its not even that good really just something you can make random builds with

at least on force swords

[restive slate]

Only Illisi imo

[silver oar]

it doesnt sound that gokd

good*

[lyric burrow]

strange that some are so common to never find among hundreds of players

i know thats how probability works sometimes

but still

[restive slate]

Illisi Bloodthirsty and Soulblaze can be fun. Good? No, but fun

[lyric burrow]

yeah thats the only thing ive used it on

[restive slate]

Hundreds? We have that many? Hahaha

[silver oar]

all this makes me want to... stop putting up with this slop... and play a better game...

god forbid

[restive slate]

Up to you Uber

I play because I still enjoy core gameplay

[silver oar]

core gameplay is incredible

everything else is pure slop

[lyric burrow]

yeah its really the phenomanal gameplay and level design/character to character interactions

that keep me playing and putting up with it

and also hoping that like vermintide things will get better

very slowly

[restive slate]

I want an easter egg of Hallowette and Melk getting caught flirting

[silver oar]

my hopium supply is running low

[lyric burrow]

helps that ive done obscene amounts of grinding in final fantasy games so im willing to put up with even darktide most of the time

[restive slate]

You need it-is-what-it-is-ium

[lyric burrow]

yeah

thats where im at

i am fully accepting that some days the rng is not in my favor

as i said earlier i spent 200k+ on new trauma staffs and got 0 worth upgrading

decided it was just one of those days and played a few matches without worrying about anything else

should i have to? no

but its how it is and ill only enjoy the game less if i go about it differently

[shadow onyx]

or just pause the game for months

[restive slate]

If you wish so

[lyric burrow]

ive thought about a full game stop but with how much people are coming off darktide people might not come back

and if they do then they HAVE to get it right

or the games toast

[shadow onyx]

honestly the game is abandoned until they finish console version

so you have time until you play a finished game

[restive slate]

It's all chill, Imperium is a chill place after all

[shadow onyx]

prob end of 2023

[pine relic]

Don't worry, big wave of games are coming

[zealous sierra]

Good?

[spice veldt]

decent stats but perks and blessings aren't that great

[zealous sierra]

What perks/blessing to look for?

[spice veldt]

if not running a gun, then flak + maniac are my perks of choice

slaughterer + unstable/deflector would be my blessings

[leaden pier]

should i go for weakspot damage or flak armor

[stuck spruce]

is it the staff that do aoe on the ground ?

[restive slate]

No it's the bowling ball

[stuck spruce]

oh ok so weakspot dmg is good because you will try to hit heads most of time to decrease peril and spam balls

[spice veldt]

weakspot damage isn't that good because the bonus is low, the way the bonus is calculated is absolutely terrible, and the weakspot damge of the voidstrike is quite low (+30%)

with the voidstrike having a 1.3x multiplier on weakspot hits, a +10% weakspot dmg perk is only going to actually give +3% damage on weakspot hits

[plucky flax]

That's op

[strong thicket]

And for reference the dmg is calculated only on the additional dmg not the entire number. If body is 100dmg and weakspot 150 the weakspot dmg bonus applies on 50 dmg only

[stuck spruce]

oh ok, i was just reliating the fact reducing peril increase the number of balls you cast by hitting weakspot, and doing more dmg on weakspot increase dps that way, but i didnt thought more to it

[mild lotus]

Did FS confirm that one day, we'll be able to max the stats of our weapons?

[fluid knot]

Not yet i dont believe, but given they currently cap at 80%, it would be pretty asinine for them not to increase that somehow down the line

Be it with another weapon tier, a resource cost, or whatever, its likely coming at somepoint

Worth pointing out though, its likely not something we'll see till post-console release

[meager plinth]

The most we know rn in that regard is that there is scraps of a leftover system that would let you modify your weapon’s stats

Otherwise we are fully in the dark

[fluid knot]

I would imagine there is a rework of the crafting system in the dev pipe somewhere, but that might not be something we see for another year, if we ever see it

[meager plinth]

[strong gulch]

It took awhile for red weapons to be available in vermintide. I'm confident that at some point we'll be able to get 100%.

[meager plinth]

we just gotta wait

for

Next Week

[hoary badge]

I've heard its an overclocking stat mechanic that got scrapped, where you burn one stat block to max another

[plucky flax]

Meme clutch infinite dodges op
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap3bX4C17Zk

[mild lotus]

That would mean rolling for a random grey with a 80% stat but terrible in everything else would net you a god weapon.

[lean frost]

Only one 100% stat and trash stats wouldn't be a god weapon

[mild lotus]

I read it as you block one stat to max all the others

[lean frost]

Oh!! In that case yeah that would be awesome

[cosmic sigil]

that was superb

[ember hornet]

nah it was like, lower defenses and increase damage kind of overclocks

[plucky flax]

Cheers love me some meme clutch, which I find myself in that situation quite often somehow

[fluid knot]

Scrapped or put on hold till they could come up with something less RNG dependent

I assume the latter tbh, they know the RNG pisses people off, and if they dont well.. Then they're not paying attention

[fallow meadow]

Void is straightforward and legit, but it always make me think "Why don't just pick up a gun and shoot?"

[meager plinth]

infinite supply of void-shots, strong cleave through hordes, lets you kill enemies that are fully behind cover for example

[fallow meadow]

Void can go through wall? That is new to me.

[spice veldt]

prob mean just shooting the bowling ball over cover that enemies are crouching behind

ammo isn't usually an issue and hordeclear can be compensated with your melee instead (I prefer hordeclear melee + single-target ranged over single-target melee + hordeclear ranged)

if you want consistency of not having ammo goblins in your team, then sure, but I much prefer having a gun which is going to have significantly better single-target DPS over the other aspects that voidstrike gives

[plucky flax]

I prefer both horde clear weapons.

Illisi blaze trauma

[fallow meadow]

Recently favor in trauma. It can deal with everything with fun explosions.

[spice veldt]

TRUE

[plucky flax]

Illisi surge

[spice veldt]

doesn't begin with t and end with rauma

rejected

[plucky flax]

Surge spam against flak shooters pack is kinda op

Don't do it against the dreg shooters

[fallow meadow]

Surge's auto-aim is kinda good on shooters. But too bad on killing anything else.

I like playing with it on low difficulty book run, but never want to bring one to 4+.

[plucky flax]

I bring it to hishock.

But I use melee way more when playing surge.

[hoary badge]

I had clutch situations where I was able to mantain control of with a void

That I can't imagine reliably substitute a gun for accounting for aoe and reloads

[spice veldt]

if you don't need the single-target ranged DPS of guns, then I'd just go for trauma

[hoary badge]

But then again it would have been solved much more efficiency with an Illisi so 🤷

Oh my enjoyment of Trauma is heads and shoulders above the other staves make no mistake

But Void does have a fun niche in my books

[plucky flax]

I haven't found a good void

Never played it in a game.

[spice veldt]

yeah it does have that suppression and hordeclear

i hate it less now that you can sprint with it while channeling

[fallow meadow]

With the run and gun blessing?

[spice veldt]

nah just by default

for sprint-sliding

before a particular patch, you couldn't sprint (and thus sprint-slide) with the RMB

[hoary badge]

On the other hand I've gotten a god rolled 380 flurry nexus Surge and I still find the karking stick absolutely underwhelming

[plucky flax]

It's an enabler for your illisi.

[fallow meadow]

lol

[fluid knot]

Been running a Void setup with Nexus/Blazing on it, with Wrack + Ruin, Wildfire + AB for the memes, it actually does not suck as much shit as you'd expect it too

[plucky flax]

Also don't worry about damage dealt stat. Your team appreciate you.

[hoary badge]

I don't even have scoreboard mod on, I just find its playstyle dull

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-annoyed-lightning-scream-creepy-gif-15397715

[fallow meadow]

Surge just take too long/too peril to kill selected few. Auto-aim is neat on those annoying shooters and do nice stagger to everything.
But the bad is that it can't do you any good when you need to save the day.

[fluid knot]

Totally get that, its often more of a problem in higher settings than a solution, with a good team stunning things that people arent expecting to get stunned breaks their rhythm and my good god stunning bursters after they've been pushed, causing them not to detonate, is SUPER fuckin annoying

[fallow meadow]

Yeah, you need a nice team to make surge useful in high difficulty.

[fluid knot]

Good vs dogs atm tho given how utterly unreliable pushes have been lately

[hoary badge]

And sometimes they don't stun priority targets on cue thanks to minor hitches and desync

[fluid knot]

I would argue it benifits a mid team more than a skilled one tbh

[fluid knot]

Yeah also that.. Low tick rate servers go brrr

[plucky flax]

You shouldn't spam surge on anything that's not dangerous or flak.

Or if you're by yourself then surge then bb/melee.

[fallow meadow]

This is why I would rather use the other when I need to kill stuffs. I don't bring two weapon to do the same job.

[plucky flax]

[steel flame]

Hmmm, I wonder how good quell cancelling surge is. Never tried it with the m2

[fluid knot]

It'll be as effective as it is on all the other staves, IE; a massive damage L

[steel flame]

if i wanted to do damage with the sparky sparky stick id use the m1

quell canceling is strange on surge staff

sure would be nice if surge had more three blessings

im thinking transfer peril would be great on it

stun somthing, mow it down with m1 quell cancel spam headshots lowering your peril, swap back to lighting

but that would be too fun or make too much sense wouldnt it fat shark

[ornate hamlet]

Also

Surge doesn't have surge

[fluid knot]

That would be cool, double the number of targets hit by the lightning, that would make it much more worthwhile imo

[cosmic sigil]

man i love playing with good psykers

i just did a sniper vent purge with a trauma and we just carried the entire run

[compact bluff]

hey i dont know staves that well ive been maining gunpsyker for like the entire time ive played this game
is this good cuz i mean it looks good

[plucky flax]

Dayum that's op man.

[steel flame]

.....

god i wish i could get godrolls

yeah thats pretty much perfect

if you swap unyielding to flak

[compact bluff]

i have refused to own a staff and this is genuinely the first one i saw that looked like it could be cool

[steel flame]

and put nexus 4 on there

[compact bluff]

shame its a fake 380 but oh well

[steel flame]

damatage is a dump stat for th

its pretty much perfect

[compact bluff]

yea i know that much at least

it just felt too good to believe at first that the first ever staff i would own and use on psyker would be a godroll

oh speaking of fake 380s i uh somehow got this like a month back
it confuses me to this day

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

olonaminute

[near wyvern]

If you check individual percentages they probs round up to 80 and 60 but when you calculate total it rounds to 379. The stat bars might also always round up (haven't checked) which makes this even likely to happen

[compact bluff]

yea i assume its a rounding error

[near wyvern]

It's a bit confusing with all the rounding since peril and UI damage values on health bars always round up while the break down table always rounds down

[near wyvern]

Not an error just a matter of how rounding (and the chosen rounding method) works

[compact bluff]

yea

when i got the gun i checked a few other of my items to make sure i wasnt going insane and found that it actually is a somewhat common thing in weapons

and is probably a part of the reason solid 380 rating weapons are so hard to find.. cuz ive found like ~4 379s similar to it

[obtuse moth]

...playing hishock5 and hear 3 bursters coming around a corner.. theres no way you can push three in a row and ive been spamming trauma in the choke the whole time so i try to kill to kill them all before it gets around it, the guy dashed forward into it and i guess gets caught by the splash. since theyve pushed up i stop using trauma at all and they ofc get hit at least one other burster as well. they complain 'thanks for killing the first one' repeatedly in deadpan on voice chat

[cyan notch]

u could f em

[plucky flax]

Emprah gift. Wish carapace was flak. 😦

New staff on the left. Better modifiers but worse perk. 😦

[plucky flax]

Think I'll stick with the one on the right just because of better perk.

[gloomy gulch]

what is bis right now for trauma blessings? is it just warp nexus and whatever?

[obtuse moth]

no. direct damage is flurry then your pick of rending shockwave/focused channeling/nexus
and soulblaze is blazing spirit + nexus together

[gloomy gulch]

ahh got it I have blazing spirit +nexus right now so

might try to roll another then

[obtuse moth]

make sure you have a +5% crit chance perk as well if you are running that

[gloomy gulch]

I do

[short vessel]

Unsure if I should buy this, thoughts?

[obtuse moth]

doesnt even show what weapon it is

but no, t3 blessing unless you're desperate for it

[short vessel]

oh mb

heres the full thing

[burnt maple]

if you want to mess around with it, sure. but if you want, basically, a direct upgrade, use a Deimos

[short vessel]

Yeah I get that, I hope it gets an upgrade soon

[agile cloak]

Anyone got any tips for the dueling sabers? I'm having a hard time finding a good use case for them.

[plucky flax]

Use force sword.

[agile cloak]

But my commissar my larp...

[iron flicker]

yo any illisi gamer in here

what should i get instead of unstable power

[river garden]

Soulblaze on crit

I think it's called blazing spirit

Just cuz it's neat

[meager plinth]

shred or bloodthirsty

[iron flicker]

[meager plinth]

when spamming special, bloodthirsty has best value

[spice veldt]

i like my unstable power

but with either unstable or bloodthirsty, you'll be able to one-shot groaners with bodyshots anyways with enough peril if you have Warp Unleashed and 4 warp charges, so you don't need +unarmoured

[plucky flax]

I would put deflector and change unarmoured to maniac.

[mild lotus]

Is there a key to perform emotes yet? Are the slots for emotes just for show?

Also, check out my new Voidstrike staff.

[meager plinth]

hold space on the mourningstar hub

[mild lotus]

space? Tzeentch must be at it again with the convoluted controls and features.

[hidden crystal]

Shame, that'd be really nice if Stability was one of the 80s.

[obtuse moth]

Unstable power 4 is one of the best options there, but bloodthirsty can work or the peril quell blessing can work for spamming more special, deflector is also good. Dont take blazing spirit on swords. It doesn't do much (proccing burn something you already killed, whoopee and losing slaughterer for a very finicky blessing [shred] or having an extremely low chance to proc) ,as much as I wish it would. Blazing spirit is good on staves

[mild lotus]

One day, when we get a fire sword...

🙏

by the throne!

[lyric burrow]

Thats a pretty good sword for unstable

Mankar would approve

[mild lotus]

I'll try consecrating it just to see.

[lyric burrow]

Will you win the hadron minigame tho

[mild lotus]

Hadron wouldn't dab on her good varlet now, would she?

Not sure that that's so good actually.

[spice veldt]

maniac is good but superiority is not

[mild lotus]

Do you think it's worth the try to upgrade to gold just to see what the Hadron roulette may give?

[spice veldt]

you've come this far, so might as well

and i want to see you be more disappointed

go for it

[mild lotus]

You already made me commit a terrible decision before...

[spice veldt]

there are too many such previous instances for me to recall the specific one

[mild lotus]

No only one

the warp take you

[spice veldt]

F

alright make that two terrible decisions that i've encouraged

[mild lotus]

got 20% dmg against unarmoured

I want flak

or infested

[spice veldt]

if you're running a gun, you could afford to spec into hordeclear

otherwise, i'd go for flak + maniac

[mild lotus]

I prefer the shredder, easier to use and more versatile than staves or other guns

[spice veldt]

yeah i'd be comfortable with running +infested/+unarmoured if running a gun

[mild lotus]

I already one hit unarmored trash mobs with a light to the head as is so infested would be good since I don't one hit those

then I'll put slaughterer in place of riposte and it'll be not so bad

or perhaps unstable

[spice veldt]

+unarmoured is mostly for one-shotting groaners with the minimum cleave damage of the heavy-special

e.g., one-shotting ~26 full hp groaners with the illisi's special

[mild lotus]

already one shots as is it seems

[spice veldt]

yeah it'll usually one-shot 7 of them

[mild lotus]

hard to tell

[spice veldt]

but the more the merrier

[mild lotus]

8% dmg against all trash mobs

[spice veldt]

this is what warp unleashed + unstable power + slaughterer + 4 warp charges does https://streamable.com/p9fglb

w/o unstable power or some other damage buff, the 8th target and beyond will have a sliver of health remaining

[mild lotus]

yeah, I need 20% against infested, as is I only kill 4 of them with full peril and 6 charges

[spice veldt]

with poxwalkers, the only way to one-shot them with buffs (including +infested and unstable power) is with weakspots only

i don't think that you can get a one-shot on their bodys

oh wait 6 warp charges

hmm maybe

i haven't done the calculation with 6 warp charges

[mild lotus]

+8% of dmg all around

5 charges + full peril + 8% against poxwalkers = I kill 3 with a heavy on the body

6 charges + 65% peril + 8% against poxwalkers = kills 3 with a heavy on the body

no unstable of course

[spice veldt]

hmm if making a full hordeclear illisi, then with slaughter + unstable, then 8% against trash is probably preferable to +unarmoured since you don't need that much to one-shot groaners with the minimum cleave

and that +8% would help against one-shotting poxwalkers

[mild lotus]

and that's a 3 dots perk btw

[spice veldt]

oh yeah

[mild lotus]

the 4 dots is probably better

10% I suppose

don't forget the 6 charges, I use quicken to charge them fast

[spice veldt]

with an 80% dmg illisi and 6 warp charges in addition to unstable power/slaughterer/+infested/warp unleashed, the minimum cleave damage to the body is 299.639 at 100% peril

[mild lotus]

fuck

[spice veldt]

so you really do need that slight bump with +10% against trash

[mild lotus]

but the min-maxing is real

and it's probably too restictive to be that good

you basically need to be full of every buffs to get the 300

[spice veldt]

there is a bit of leeway if you have the perfect stats

[delicate walrus]

welp im never getting this lucky again

now time to find slaughter 4

[spice veldt]

but yeah the grind for such a weapon would be quite painful

nice

[mild lotus]

L on the mobi and the warp resist

[delicate walrus]

yeah little bit, but im not one to look a gift 80/80/80 dmg stat illisi in the mouth

[spice veldt]

illisi's special is the best hordeclear and also the best stagger when fighting the elites, so i don't mind having some warp res even in exchange for mobility

[old oyster]

gib me that sword :c

[mild lotus]

[spice veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1115917730504249344/2FA4296C-344B-4C13-AD15-C6FFF8C14A85.gif

[mild lotus]

Just joined a team of 3 other psykers for a heresy diff mission

checks out

[mild lotus]

this was daddy's reward at the end of said mission

psykers can't have scrap within the imperium

[lyric burrow]

lol

challenge sword

[unreal harness]

Hello gentlemen - Quell cancelling voidstikre charged shots spam
Have a good day

[fluid knot]

Massive damage L achieved

[spice veldt]

consignment yard has a neat shortcut at the start https://streamable.com/tr73ux

[steel flame]

Just salty they can't quell cancel good

I feel that

[strong gulch]

It does. It's silly and fun. Has its uses for sure.

[ornate hamlet]

Do you need the swing?

[spice veldt]

jumping during a dodge while swinging gives you a bit more speed than if you just jump while dodging

so ye

i think it's a bit dependent on the melee weapon, but you should get >5 m/s of speed with most

if you're not getting the mantle, then you may need to angle your jump a bit further out since there's a nearby invis wall

[ornate hamlet]

[shadow onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/japanology-perfect-perfection-delicious-perfect-reaction-gif-26505462

[agile cloak]

90 percent of the time I try to do a dodge push with the obscurus it just does a regular attack

[spice veldt]

if you're still pressing down LMB as you press RMB, you'll do an attack instead

another fun jump on consignment yard's midevent https://streamable.com/gfzny7

[fluid knot]

Or acutely aware of just how much of a nerf it is

You get more AOEs, thats literally the only benifit on Void

An you're giving up cleave to do it

which is, quite frankly, dim

[agile garden]

For your Wildfire Soulblaze Trauma Hi Intensity Shocktropp build What Perks and Blessings and weapons do you run?

[steel flame]

It's actually quite bright. One might almost say it's like a flashbang

[steel flame]

I run 311222 with 5% crit chance perk (I guess flack for second perk) , warp nexus 4 and blazing spirit 3 (because they forgot how to count to 4 apparently)

[agile garden]

thanks!

[steel flame]

Np

[upper galleon]

purge staff and deimos love it for clearing hi damn hordes

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma gigachads unite

[steel flame]

I get about 100k-150k more average damage per match on my quell cancel BS void build than I do on my traditional transfer peril warp flurry build

More kills more damage more stagger

You just gotta do it super fast boi

[steel flame]

We shall burn Atoma to the ground

[agile garden]

not getting blazing spirit 4 is why i could never find it!

[plucky flax]

Rip wildfire ascendant blaze slaughterer auto stacking tho

[steel flame]

Hard finding something that doesn't exist right?

[steel flame]

Eh I'm not all that broken up about it. I barely use illi anyway and almost never with my fire builds

Is a shame though

I prefer using laceration, mercy killer combat knife for quickly and safely killing ogryns and bosses

[plucky flax]

Huh I use illisi quite a lot with blaze trauma.

Press f then melee to get slaughterer stacks up and let it spread.

[upper galleon]

i failed the 2nd clutch

i'm so bad

[agile garden]

do you run soulblaze on your force sword?

[plucky flax]

Don't worry fren sometimes you fail clutch sometimes you succeed it's all about the memes.

[cosmic sigil]

I failed one yesterday because of a dog.

But me and a gigachad trauma just carried an entire sniper purge

[upper galleon]

i just got overwhelmed

4 bulwarks in my face, gunners and reapers behind them

[cosmic sigil]

That's a lot

[upper galleon]

first clutch, I'm surprised I got off

basically, 1 stayed up on a point of no return and got pounced, 2nd person dropped down but went the wrong way, proceeded to go down, rage quit, and the bot ran into the demonhost aggro'ing it

the 3rd player got unlucky and got owned by the DH after it was done with the bot

just me, some shotgunners and some stalkers

only to lose it all about 5 minutes later

[plucky flax]

Did you have deflector?

[steel flame]

For memes sometimes

Would be nice if I had a blood thirsty BS sword but all I've rolled is a bs shred sword

[tired geyser]

This is how a real psyker looks lads.

[steel flame]

Hey why does he get to move fast when he explodes and I don't. That doesn't seem fair

Clearly this calls for a nerf to vets suicide ability. Too op

[upper galleon]

it's over psykers

[steel flame]

Truly a dark day for the imperium of man

[velvet stratus]

Which of the 3 staffs(I'm excluding the flame one) has strongest primary(not charged one) attack?

[upper galleon]

is there a difference?

also even if you don't want to charge (idk why you wouldn't)

voidstrike is the projectile staff

[steel flame]

Surge staff technically has the best primary fire since it benefits from the staves crit stat bonuses

Kinda makes me wish surge had peril transfer as a blessing for machine gunning the primary to melt stuff

[bronze ice]

hey uh

what button do we use to quell peril

i thought we had to just let it go down over time

[steel flame]

R is default

[bronze ice]

now im finding out we can make it go down

i didnt know this

this wouldve solved so many of my problems

lol

[steel flame]

Welcome to a brand new era of your psyker journey

[bronze ice]

yup

[steel flame]

And if you tap R right after you cast you can cancel the end of the animation into another cast

Called quell canceling

[meager plinth]

[bronze ice]

what feats do yall use usually

[meager plinth]

feats on psyker change a lot depending on the build

[river garden]

Best build of course being soul blaze

So you can highlight enemies for your non vet allies

[lyric burrow]

i generally run 3 1 1 2 1 3 for just about everything that isnt gun psyker

its a very good build but not a perfect one by any means so if you want to run something like flayer since ive heard that can be decent from some people in here go ahead

same with using deflection over shield or something

[bronze ice]

whats soul blaze

[ember hornet]

blue fire

burn damage

[cosmic sigil]

True. I do that a lot in poor light condition

[river garden]

Soulblaze comes from a few feats, such as hitting any pingable enemy with brain pop lights them and enemies around them in fire, but also comes from flamer staff. With the feat that causes enemies with soulblaze stacks to spread those stacks on death, it can be a great meme build. Sadly, the damage is pretty bad on the burn and relies mostly on using your brain pop on elites and up, or wasting your ult while at full stacks

In the right situations, you can make an entire horde melt under their own weight

But that's incredibly hard to do and also, like, everyone can kill a horde

[bronze ice]

ohhh

[meager plinth]

dont underestimate how much high stacks can do

keep max stack on a boss and they will wither quite fast

[elfin nexus]

the power of revolver psyker

i think its actually a really good build its pretty ammo efficient

[lyric burrow]

yeah revo psyker is good

its melee a lot of the way but it is nice to have

[elfin nexus]

🤝

fellow revolver enjoyer

[steel flame]

wish the pool of blessing for revolver wasnt kinda ass

[lyric burrow]

yeah its kinda just crucian and then whatever else

[steel flame]

trick shooter cant even reach max stacks cause the gun only has 5 shots

[lyric burrow]

it also deactivates for anything

you can hit something in the head and it pens through to a body and you lose the stacks

[steel flame]

the blessings in this game are almost all terrible

except the few they overtuned by accident

not to mention the distribution of blessings sucks too

why the fuck does surge staff only have 3 blessings?

were they just too lazy to make more for it?

did they forget to tag a few blessing onto it?

why is it based around crits and yet it has no blessings that benefit from crits

so many questions

[lyric burrow]

yeah balance is weird in this game for blessings especially

idk why it hasnt been fixed yet outside of the one patch cause its not crazy hard to fix just tweak some values around

[steel flame]

Hot damn i love all psyker missions

they are just so easy

[river garden]

What perks did you have on? I haven't seen too much boss melting with soulblaze personally but I could also just be doing it wrong

I think my main staff as unyielding and infested on it

[cosmic sigil]

Well sustained fire does work for those moment you're not high in peril / lost your charges and the target is a bit resilient

I think I run crucian / point blank and sustained fire / gloryhunter mostly

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i run sustained

[serene breach]

is Obscurus forcesword still viable?

[steel flame]

yea

its still very strong

its just overshadowed

its more than up to anything the game has right now

[serene breach]

hmmm, when will try to make a Obscurus with uncanny strike

[cosmic sigil]

Never tried the obscurus. How is the moveset?

[spice veldt]

l1->h2->cancel(block/QQ) is fine (or l1->h2->l3 if you need a bit more single-target such as for building slaughterer stacks)

[cosmic sigil]

Sounds like a fine macro

[spice veldt]

the light combo is dogshit because of the 2nd light (MOTHERFUCKING UPPERCUT), and the 1st heavy is a vertical overhead which is meh

[cosmic sigil]

Does uncanny strike has a place on the Deimos?

[serene breach]

deimos 1st light attack then 2nd heavy attack poke with massive damage

with unstable power deimos can 1 poke charging mutant and maniac to death

[cosmic sigil]

Ok but outside of maniacs?

[serene breach]

still strong with light attack, great for 1 versus several and solo

but not for horde clear, illisi is best at that

[compact bluff]

if you really like using the h2 poke on crushers, uncanny strike gives you a good boost for that
otherwise i dont think it does anything

[spice veldt]

soulblaze itself has pretty below-average single-target DPS unless you've somehow got 31 stacks (which is only achievable through wrack & ruin and ascendant blaze). 15 stacks against Unyielding is 237.9 DPS (297.375 with +25% Unyielding).

for reference, if quelling with each BB cast, then each BB will occur over 3.25 seconds (2 seconds for the channel, 1 second for the animation, and 0.25 seconds for the quell), where BB deals 237 DPS against the DH, 338 DPS against the plogryn/chaos spawn, and 474 DPS against the bonbon
might as well keep soulblaze stacks up in the background

[river garden]

I see I see

good information, thanks!

[acoustic trench]

Guys am I blind or is there in no lvl 4 blaze away for the shredder autopistol?

[cosmic sigil]

Yeah I know. I'm a illisi user. But I wonder if I should try something else

[cosmic sigil]

Blaze away is only t3

There's a bunch of blessings that you can only find in one specific tier

[acoustic trench]

Then I guess this is shredder is as perfect as I can make it then?

[cosmic sigil]

Exact

Bummer for stopping power. But objectively with pinning fire and blaze away you won't really feel it.

[acoustic trench]

Can't wait until FS drops blaze 4 though

Anything short of a crusher already dies

fast

[cosmic sigil]

They'll probably rework power blessings first...

Or downgrade ba3 and make a ba4

[acoustic trench]

lol I hope they break the locks first

otherwise some people gonna be mad

[hidden crystal]

Sigh - great base stats, but then Hadron wasn't willing to give me one single thing I wanted.

Each time I try the crafting in this game, I'm reminded why I shouldn't bother.

It was the same story recently with a load of Curios.

"Oh, would you like an XP bonus perk on that?"

... no Hadron, your trust betrays you. I am not pleased.

[cosmic sigil]

Well

You can salvage it

[strong gulch]

RIP

[cosmic sigil]

If you run kinetic deflection, keep block efficiency

And put slaughterer instead of uncanny

[strong gulch]

Blazing Spirit and shred to commit to the meme.

[cosmic sigil]

Oh yeah you can do that too

[hidden crystal]

No, I really can't.

[cosmic sigil]

Illisi is strong enough already

Yes you can.

What you cannot do is get your dream sword

[hidden crystal]

I'm not spending more resources on it to get something that would be worse than my current one.

I probably should have stopped at purple once it showed me none of the perks I wanted, but I would have been willing to accept that if it'd thrown me a combination where I could get the blessings I wanted.

But the problem is that T4 Slaughterer is so good (right now, at least - future nerfs might be another matter) that not having it on a sword is basically a honking great downgrade.

[strong gulch]

Valid. You could melt it for the shred blessing and call it a wash.

Any purple with good base stats has the potential to be great, but it's a crap shoot. If you have a ton of resources to throw at a thing, then it's worth trying. If now, best to save.

[river garden]

I got blazing spirit and bloodthirsty on my illisi it's incredible

Absolutely horrible but great for non-purgatus builds

[hidden crystal]

And while I could put Slaughter on the sword, that would then mean I wouldn't have Deflector, which I like even if many others don't.

[strong gulch]

I mean T3 Slaughterer is still pretty good tho. Fishing for the T4 is a worthy endeavor.

Many do like deflector. Slaughterer + Deflector is pretty standard.

I see the appeal in having it and not having it.

[hidden crystal]

The main thing for me is that I'm pretty used to having Deflector, so if I try running without it, I'm going to mess up a lot.

[strong gulch]

Felt. I do the same. I learn one thing and that's kinda it. 🙃

uses ability
why is everything on fire and why are my head pops slow??
dial-up noises
oh... wrong build 😭

[hidden crystal]

I think that's a large portion of why I've ended up stuck as mostly a gunpsyker.

Mind you, the other part of that is that I'm also less than great at peril management, and having one weapon where I'm not going to screw up and explode my head helps somewhat.

(I love my force sword shove attacks, but I've got to remember they're not a valid way for me to buy time to vent peril so I can charge my sword).

[spice veldt]

i like having a staff just for the quell, since I have it bound to Q and thus pretty fast for me to just swap to my staff for quelling

it's very annoying when you can't quell with your force sword if you're in the middle of a swing

(unless you block -> quell, but i haven't built the muscle memory for that yet)

my grenade is on G so it's slightly slower and uncomfortable to swap to it just for anim cancelling out of the swing

[strong gulch]

Ammo management and peril management kinda work against one another. At least in my head that's how it works.

I use warp things for attacks. Quell to to more warp things.

Use bullets to attack. immediately eat ammo because I "should" quell

No Beans. That's not how guns work.

[river garden]

the real fun is going gunpsyker with the laspitol. the shove attack builds peril

[hidden crystal]

I'm usually running an MG12, although I sometimes swap to a Vraks VII if I'm running on lower difficulties.

This MG12 to be specific:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1125963715557212160/image.png

Which gives me a play style heavily focused around shooting people in the head from a long way away, which isn't something any of the staffs are great at replicating.

(In many ways, I'd probably play veteran quite well, but the idea of having to grind up a new set of decent gear is so painful.)

[grizzled iris]

(Me seeing this with a level 496 zealot, 461 Psyker, 185 veteran, 176 ogryn and a second zealot at level 66)

[hidden crystal]

I've been falling for weeks to get a decent replacement for just one bugged curio my psyker has without Hadron ruining it; the idea of having to craft three good ones for another class is just pure nope.

[plucky flax]

Yeah curios grind suck hard.

[harsh urchin]

that's kinda the problem tbh

psyker doesn't synergize with that gun super well

both vet and zea have better synergies

[cosmic sigil]

Hmm how does the zealot synergizes with the mg12? Oo

In terms of feat

Because warp unleashed / warp charges and elite DMG will push the mg12 even further.

[harsh urchin]

mg12 has a damage multiplier than does effectively double damage against far enemies

you'll basically oneshot every enemy type at far multiplier with headshot

[cosmic sigil]

Oh you mean with EE then?

For short to mid range on the zealot

[harsh urchin]

I personally am not really a fan of the gun on zealot as well

[cosmic sigil]

And used with hipfire too?

[harsh urchin]

i find that it doesn't perform well in stressful situations

it's a gun that works well when you have control, and very poorly if you dont have control

[cosmic sigil]

I know what you mean

[harsh urchin]

but yeah it one shots all enemies at long range anyways, even without psyker bonuses

psyker has hard to keeping WU up for guns

and the firerate is too slow for KF

also the gun serves the same purpose as BB

[cosmic sigil]

The mg4 with a full auto mod could work

Or use a recon with flayer

[harsh urchin]

my experience with it is that it's good with vet, decent with zeal, but i can't imagine it being amazing for psy

maybe after PF nerf

recon is just outclassed by autopistol rn

[cosmic sigil]

Yep :/

[spice veldt]

i am almost certain that kantrael's DPS is better than BB

[harsh urchin]

no shit

[spice veldt]

yeah so they don't serve the "same purpose"

i don't get the comparison of BB to guns

[cosmic sigil]

Bb is a tool like a nade

[harsh urchin]

correct

BB as a tool is mostly useful against far range squishy specials and heavy enemies that are vulnerable to stagger

kantrael performs especially well against shooters, far range specials like bombers/snipers

[wary inlet]

I personally run a staff over a gun so I can get some actual toughness regen

[harsh urchin]

but it absolutely sucks dick in certain situations hard enough

that combined with the lack of ability to manage your heat

that i dont think it's very good

[cosmic sigil]

Inspiring barrage shredder enters the chat

You can also use exorcist Illisi + quietude or whatever illisi + quietude.

[compact cargo]

Don't nees toughness if you don't get hit

[cosmic sigil]

Don't get hit kids. That's the way.

[tender heath]

What is the Keybinding to meditate?

[mild lotus]

reload

[plucky flax]

I play psyker to not worry about picking ammo. Gun bad magic gud

[grizzled iris]

I play psyker to hard carry shitty players

[grizzled iris]

I had this real funny guy yday, he was using trauma with shattering and terrifying barrage. I asked him why, and he said that it is the best blessings. I couldn't stop myself from crying @spice veldt

[spice veldt]

f

[mild lotus]

I play psyker for the pretty eye colours and the cool magic swords.

[grizzled iris]

Arcotash, currently I'm using chainsword on my psyker so I can oneshot all specials and ogryns (except crushers, those take 3 hits) with Trauma

[strong thicket]

Shredder gun psyker is cool but I like THIS

[cosmic sigil]

That's very nice. Changing crit to flak would be better

[strong thicket]

Flak is really not needed on the vraks

I'd rather have maniac

Wish I had crucian roulette 4 tho

[plucky flax]

I think headhunter is better than crucian roulette.

I'd change the 2nd blessing to no respite for bonbon slaying.

[strong thicket]

I have a no respite3 vraks but it's a godroll on my vet so rip

Since then no respite has been avoiding me

[cosmic sigil]

well, both are good

you reinforce your strong point or you cover a weakness

outside of hisg, either one is fine

[plucky flax]

Nice I have a very good vraks 3 on vet too. 70+ damage 25% flak maniac and no respite.

[mild lotus]

Only laspistols and revolvers are okay to use as a psyker, else you fail the drip check.

[grizzled iris]

Laspistol yes, revolver hell no

[mild lotus]

with my revolver, yes

the Ogryn nailer

[grizzled iris]

That is one shitty rolled revolver

When i think of a well rolled weapon i think 2x T4 blessings with good perks and 78+ in 4 core stats

[mild lotus]

bruh

this is darktide, I was "lucky" to have mostly critical and elites related blessings and perks on the same gun that has good stats

also, this was a gift from him on Terra

[grizzled iris]

"Lucky" I get those kinds of rolls all the time and just trash it because it isn't good enough

[mild lotus]

are we playing the same game?

those stats really aren't so bad, the critical/elite aspect is more of a joke to me than anything else but the gun at base has all it needs to be effective.

[strong gulch]

Of course it can be better. No it's not trash.

As you play and acquire things, better rolls will happen.

Luck is fickle for sure.

[ornate hamlet]

Get crucian

[unreal harness]

I'm surprised I don't see more people rapid firing the voidstrike, it's hella strong against like shooters/riff-raff

Better than the purge imo, cuz you can deliver death unto way over there

[unreal harness]

Don't sweat it, he just a guy that spends all his free time on a video game and happens to have poor social skills lmao, nice revolver

[fluid knot]

Revvy is good on all classes that get the choice of it

Literally all of them

Vet can up the reload time an fuckin delete specials, Psyker can buff it indirectly via warp charges an it has absurd utility function on the Zealot because its a quickdraw weapon

[fossil lagoon]

Not played in ages is flame staff still the best ?

[fluid knot]

I dont know that there is a "best" staff at this point, they're all good at different things, other than Surge, that looses most of its value in a high-skill lobby

[unreal harness]

I thought so, but I just realized recently voidstrike is the best, no doubt about it

[blissful ore]

Not as good as it used to be
Overall best is trauma or surge
Surge loses value the worse your teammates are
Purg still a solid pick regardless

[obtuse moth]

Imo void falls off the most, much more so than surge even though void is completely hishock5 viable

[lyric burrow]

Void is good but def feels weaker than the others

At least trauma and purg

It can horde clear but so can all the staves minus surge

[blissful ore]

If you can find the t4 faster charge blessing void is good even

[lyric burrow]

Does no elite damage

[obtuse moth]

Trauma is probably one of the most favored picks among regulars in this channel

[blissful ore]

Quicken solves that issue

At the very least void becomes a super ghetto surge staff in those situations

[obtuse moth]

The guy who wrecked with it in my hi stg today was running nexus surge voidstrike

[lyric burrow]

Feels like when i bring void im justing using my melee 90% of the time

Thats exaggeration but still

[obtuse moth]

It falls off in higher difficulties and with more elites and specials because of cleave cap (hitmass getting stopped without penetrating to even a second target) and low damage (things that one shot now take several fully charged headshots, each one stumbling the targets head hitbox for the next successive hit) other staves do better at cc, target cap, and ttk on everything that's not a complete trash add

[obtuse moth]

Interesting, I find surge the most melee focused stave for me

[lyric burrow]

Its the same with surge lol

Voids great if the horde is set up for it

[hidden crystal]

Well, that's the thing about this particular MG12 - if you get it right, you're completely immune to ranged fire.

[lyric burrow]

But i kinda need to bb or melee any elites

[obtuse moth]

Surge is fine on packs of human sized elites imo

[unreal harness]

I think y'all dissenting on the voidstrike just don't know how to quell cancel

[obtuse moth]

I quell cancel all the time on void

[lyric burrow]

Quell cancel is fine

[obtuse moth]

In fact my blaze void build is built around quell cancelling

[lyric burrow]

Psyker melee is also just kinda insane

[unreal harness]

That's tru, the illissi is like hella overtuned right now

There's nothing I run into that can't be solved with a good ol charged heavy hs

[blissful ore]

It's not even overturned, that's how the weapon should perform

[cosmic sigil]

a pack of crushers

[unreal harness]

I think you replied to the wrong person, works on that too

[cosmic sigil]

nope, that is too much mass for a single charge heavy

[fluid knot]

Thats the best setup for it tbh, though I've been getting v good milage out of blazing/nexus of late

Wrack + Ruin to unlock the stack cap, burst a couple bastards in the middle of the horde, lay into it with Void an horde evaporates, Elites, Specials, it dont matter, they all burn. Very surprised tbh given it started off as a meme setup

[obtuse moth]

Why not just add AB to it instead? Yoou feel like you need more than 4-6 extra stacks on top of the six you can get from the blessing

[fluid knot]

Why not all the burn sources?

But yes, im running AB aswell

Like i say, i fully expected it to be a meme setup, but more often than not i cap out on total damage dealt

Surprisingly viable

Fun too

[obtuse moth]

wildfire?

[fluid knot]

Yup

[obtuse moth]

because 25% flat extra damage is nice

[fluid knot]

ALL the burn

[obtuse moth]

i only take wrack and ruin for sniper gauntlet and histg

[old flame]

We need a surge staff appreciation thread

[fluid knot]

Tend to avoid taking anything lower than hi-int if an when the choice is there

But yeah, its a funny build ngl

Even if you're not getting the most Elite/Special kills in a match, everything ends up so squishy it saves the Vets ammo, makes killing the remains of hordes easier for Ogg an Zealot.. all round pretty gud

[obtuse moth]

hmm, ive always found BB-ing without barrage slow af

have to really race the vets

[old flame]

It’s slow but I find BB with 6 stacks more effective

I’m damnation you can 1-2 shot most elites

[feral verge]

You can 1-2 shot all enemies with the right setup

Except muties which are 3 shot

And bosses ofc

Cerebral lac, warp unleashed, and warp battery

[old flame]

I’m still debating is it’s worth ditching deflector for unstable power

[feral verge]

100% worth

Deflector isn't necessary once you start really getting into dodging

On average, in most damnation games I take 200 or less damage

Without deflector

Just by dodging 24/7 and having decent positioning

[obtuse moth]

depends on what you're doing.

[old flame]

Is the damage boost really noticeable? I use the illisi force sword with slaughterer on it

[feral verge]

Yes, it can make breakpoints

[old flame]

I just want to kill ragers and Muties faster

[feral verge]

20% more power is a lot of power

[old flame]

I already use the perk with 6 stacks instead of 4 and the one that increases damage with peril

[feral verge]

You can 1 shot muties with 1 stack of slaughterer

Plus unstable power 4, 80% peril and warp unleashed

[blissful ore]

Yes stop using deflector

[old flame]

Makes sense

I normally play with 70-90 percent peril at all times for tbh damage boost

[blissful ore]

Executor a good option for the demios as well

[hidden crystal]

BLOCK ALL THE BULLETS.

[obtuse moth]

iirc it was 3-4 stacks, trying now and cant get it, getting 3768 not 4k, second try got 3837. gonna try with two stacks now. worked with 2 at ~93 peril

[steel flame]

well i just had a very enlightening mission

this was with a surge staff

m1 quell cancel spam on surge goes hard

i was staying neck and neck with a void staff that entire game for ranged kills and damage

[old flame]

A fellow surge staff chad

[obtuse moth]

the sword i used to test. maybe itd work if you had higher rolls? im happy with this sword as is though

[steel flame]

i had a theory that quell canceling the surge staff m1 would slap

but god damn it does alot of damage

now i just need to get a surge staff with nexus 4

cause that was with a surge staff with nexus 2 on damnation

[obtuse moth]

it doesnt slap, its much more useful to quell cancel m1 since m2 is meh. itd be better if surge staff had transfer peril

but even on trauma i never use transfer peril for m1 quell spam

[steel flame]

im talking about m1

[obtuse moth]

i know

[steel flame]

m2 cant really be quell canceled due to the nature of how it attacks

but if it had transfer peril it would be a menace

[obtuse moth]

i meant that its useful to use m1 (quell cancelled) because m2 isnt that great against many targets

[steel flame]

yeah i know, what i wasnt expecting though was for its damage output to be keeping up with a voidstaff

[obtuse moth]

the utility of m1 goes up on surge because its m2 is lackluster in many situatinos

it doesn't unless the voidstaff player is bad

cleave limit + transfer peril should handily outpace it afaik?

[steel flame]

it should

[old flame]

What’s that how do you do it

[steel flame]

you press R right after you cast to cancel the end of the cast animation into another cast

ill show you

[ornate hamlet]

m1 surge is interesting

if you keep alternating quell and m1, the peril never goes up even when you fire

you can cool down the staff while attacking

[old flame]

I like using the m1 attacks on none flak enemies after zapping then, stacking extra damage from the park that gives you 6 stacks from BB and the one that gives you extra damage based and peril and it slaps

I don’t remember what lvl nexus I have on my staff I have to check

[steel flame]

https://streamable.com/wiyjz4

crit machinegun go brrrrrr

[old flame]

If I have to try that

[ornate hamlet]

yooo

time to make a macro

[plucky flax]

Someone write an ahk script then share pls

Quell cancel too hard I can't do it reliably.

[steel flame]

its certainly not very easy thats for sure

[ornate hamlet]

I'm trying it now

I'm noticing something a bit wacky

First that I suck at this because I never actually learned AHK and am a copy-pasted programmer

Second that the code I'm trying makes me... sprint?

[spice veldt]

prob using a capital letter for your keypress

use an undercase

[ornate hamlet]

That does work

I hate how literal computers are sometimes

[lunar hollow]

cope

[mild lotus]

Computers are logical to the extreme which is good for precise reasoning but terrible for estimations and improvisation.

[ornate hamlet]

I am malding rn

[mild lotus]

But I like logic

[ornate hamlet]

I am jumping forward into a language that I didn't learn the start of

I could've done this shit in like 5 minutes if it worked the same as Python, but I have brainrot

[mild lotus]

If it isn't your first language it shouldn't be long before you get the hang of it

[ornate hamlet]

That's the thing, each time I try to use it I try to do shit I didn't learn

But I don't go learn the shit and complain it's being hard

Right now I'm taking an absolute fucking beating just to make a macro work with a key to enable and disable it

[mild lotus]

Why do you try to speedrun disapointment when you could 100% success?

[ornate hamlet]

literal brainrot tbh

[mild lotus]

Take your time

The game isn't going anywhere

Literally

[ornate hamlet]

it has no legs

[mild lotus]

But you do

[ornate hamlet]

Sometimes I wish I didn't, so the government actually gave me money

[mild lotus]

It wouldn't feel fulfilling

[spice veldt]

here's my LMB quell-cancel script, which activates when you press down 'Alt' and your left mouse button

*!LButton::
While GetKeyState("LButton", "P") {
    Send, {LButton}
    Sleep, 280
    Send, {v Down}
    Sleep, 1
    Send, {v Up}
    Sleep, 1
}
Return

timings aren't perrfect so mess around with that

[hidden crystal]

I mean to try to code up a macro for dodge-slides at some point.

[ornate hamlet]

toggle = False

4::
if toggle = False
    toggle = True
else if toggle = True
    toggle = False
return

LButton::
if toggle = False
    Send {LButton}

else if toggle = True
{
    While GetKeyState("LButton", "p")
    {
        MouseClick, Left
        Sleep 100
        Send {r down}
        Sleep 150
        Send {r up}
        Sleep 20
    }
}
return```

My only issue right now

Is getting the mouse button to act normally when the toggle is false

Because the command it has now just clicks and I want it to dynamically click or hold as the physical key

It looks like this https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1iJzxLIj1WW-as/d1337We9B5sp?invite=cr-MSxCQTYsMTkwNTkwNTA4LA

[mild lotus]

Make it so it triggers when you stay pushed on the dodge key

[hidden crystal]

My initial thought was just mapping it to a new key, but that'd be neat if I could make it work.

[ornate hamlet]

Question: do increased dodge distances mean longer slides?

Because depending, you might need to set a macro differently

[lyric burrow]

I dont think so

Maybe on dodge slides specifically

[spice veldt]

my initial implementation of that would probably involve a bunch of if statements chained together

[mild lotus]

If you wait for your dodge to go the extra distance and then slide, then yeah sorta I guess

[lyric burrow]

?

[spice veldt]

you only need to hold down crouch for a few milliseconds to trigger a slide during a dodge

so you don't need to worry about having your timings changed depending on the weapon

OH

longer slides

[mild lotus]

Switch above ifs

Unless you're yandere dev

[ornate hamlet]

Does AHK even have switch?

[spice veldt]

we're basically the same since i have very little programming experience

[mild lotus]

I sure hope it does

[ornate hamlet]

big F on VSC

[mild lotus]

It's joever

[ornate hamlet]

AHK certified Yandev language

[mild lotus]

Since there seems to be a fair amount of newbie coders here, it may be useful for me to learn that language and help around.

Something to do when I'm not programming for work.

[ornate hamlet]

This is my source code for the battleship game I did for Python class

this is the file it references

[mild lotus]

Oh no

Spanish

[ornate hamlet]

Also Python doesn't have switch either

[mild lotus]

[ornate hamlet]

It was one of the first things I asked the teacher about

At least it's a pretty language

Needing brackets in AHK started giving me an aneurysm about those open lines with a single one

[mild lotus]

But missing indents is like stepping on a landmine

boom

Did you get introduced to object oriented programming?

[lyric burrow]

Object oriented was neat but i also did not fully understand it

Doesn't help im not the best at coding i forget all the rules in 2 seconds

[mild lotus]

It's a big piece to swallow but it'll make sense at some point

[lyric burrow]

Once i started having to move shit around i was fucked up

In a 3d space

I should say

[mild lotus]

If you understood that it's object oriented because the objects you create are basically dumbed down versions of real objects then you already understood the most of it

Did you perhaps try some c# with Unity?

[lyric burrow]

Not with unity

[mild lotus]

What engine then?

Unreal?

[ornate hamlet]

I didn't reach objects in C++, but in Python yeah

On the battleship game I turned battleship into a class, assigned the variable "game" to the battleship class and just executed separate functions within it

A lot of the work is actually prettifying the interface

[mild lotus]

Assigned the game to the battleship

[ornate hamlet]

Since we didn't learn front-end, we learned some text formatting for the funny black screen

Is it bad to assign it like that?

It's how I learned to do objects

[lyric burrow]

This is roughly how i learned it too

[mild lotus]

No not really, it will work not so different it's that for clarity's sake, it is often best to stick to rational associations.

In this case, rationally speaking, do you think the battleship is existing in the game or the game is existing in the battle ship?

[ornate hamlet]

In the case of my code, I saw it as "the game is a game of the type battleship"

So each time I typed "game" and followed with a battleship method, I saw "game is executing a battleship method"

[mild lotus]

Can/will there be mutiple ships in the game?

[ornate hamlet]

I didn't really bother with getting it too much uhhh uniqueness

[mild lotus]

It's really not so bad, you can make it work just fine.

[ornate hamlet]

What I made it do was

• Give the user a prompt for 3 difficulties or a random one between those 3
• Fill squares in the map proportional to the difficulty, so each difficulty has a different and proportional number of valid squares to shoot at
• Ask the user to fire a shot at a specific coordinate and tell them if they hit it, deducting ammo each time
• When the ammo is depleted, print the end map

What I could've also done if I arsed myself was use a dictionary to assign multiple values to the same coordinate and then print the current map each time the user is going to fire

Which would mean I could assign square 1x1 a string of "~" to display a way, but also a hidden value of 1 or 0 ships

So the print would have

[~~~]
[~~~]```

Ugh, Discord

But each of the wiggles would hide a ship in it that was in the code, but not displayed

The user would fire, there would be a check for the value of whether there is a ship stored in that wiggle and the game would behave accordingly

I didn't do it, but I know I'd be able to if I extended the code a bit and looked at the PY file I have on dictionaries to remember their syntax properly

I numbered the files per class and which order they were done