psyker-class

[spring hamlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/799751863930060812/1120199281358422016/Untitled.jpg?width=247&height=247

well outside of slaughterer 4/deflector 4

but for the moment

😎

[compact cargo]

[spring hamlet]

very nice

[near wyvern]

If you want to get swords like this I have no words for you because it's RNG

[cosmic sigil]

Looks like my arsenal...

[cosmic sigil]

I sunk probably 2m of ordos in Brunt now

[near wyvern]

I don't really do brunt lottery. Camping the hourly shop while doing remote work and then buying all the 370+ weapons that appear

[cosmic sigil]

I do that whenever I can

[near wyvern]

Yeah, it's rough

If you can't do that while working

[cosmic sigil]

But i'm looking for a low warp resist Illisi to put unstable on it.

[near wyvern]

Yeah that surely will be fun

[cosmic sigil]

My lowest one have bloodthirsty, deflector, executor and exorcist.

All around 30-ish. The lowest being the deflector at 5.

Meanwhile....

But RNG is not fun. I'm glad to not have to do that for the staves and shredder. I already got what I wanted quite easily.

[pine relic]

Accidentally finished this penance.

[cosmic sigil]

Lmao. I did it also by accident 🤣

[heavy torrent]

What do you need to do it?

[cosmic sigil]

Kill an elite

[heavy torrent]

Just a lot of em?

[cosmic sigil]

If you soften it a bit before it's quite easy

Juste one now

[heavy torrent]

What's the other condition

[cosmic sigil]

So at some point you'll get it by accident

[blissful kestrel]

Just one... but you need to kill it with the peril explosion that downs you.

[cloud star]

By exploding your own head.

[heavy torrent]

ah

I became so much more powerful as a psyker when I learned you can still brain blast @ 96%

[cosmic sigil]

Same

[heavy torrent]

But since I don't use staff (yet) I haven't blown myself up since learning that

[cosmic sigil]

I became so much more powerful after reading pygex guide.

[cosmic sigil]

It happened to me with the bb mostly.

[heavy torrent]

What other tips are 100% needed to know like the 96%?

[heavy torrent]

It's so quick to go down below 96 I haven't had the issue yet

[cosmic sigil]

It's roughly the same sweet spot when you activate you sword.

[heavy torrent]

I don't know what that means (I haven't used a Force Sword yet)

[cosmic sigil]

Common peril thresholds where it is still safe to cast:
BB at 97% or below
BB at 98% or below with 5 or more Warp Charges (Warp Battery) and Inner Tranquility
FS special at 99% or below (with any mediocre warp resistance on it)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

So I activate the hell out of my sword whenever possible

[heavy torrent]

Sword activatables don't last long enough for me to use them (power anyway)

I haven't tried force yet

[pine relic]

[lament glen]

Fellas am I cooked or is cerebral lacerations strong as fuck

[hot osprey]

Can someone answer the above question please I would also like to know

[shy prairie]

He's cooked

flurry, lacerations with 6 stacks is strong though..

[fluid knot]

It is stronk, with Warp Battery it lets you hit double brainburst breakpoints on all Ogryn enemies

Also it chunks bosses

Throw in Kinetic Barrage an you can wipe a whole room of specials in relatively short order using only BB

[lament glen]

Do you guys have a build guide / weapon recs list anywhere? I'm trying to git gud at psyker atm and I'd like a reference sheet

[spice veldt]

my view is that it's too niche compared to something like warp unleashed

and requires you to trust your teammates (impossible)

[fluid knot]

Idk about that, not really any need to trust your teammates if you can effectively wipe out most incoming threats before they start molesting said team

Not always possible, but frequently it is

[fluid knot]

Check pins, i think Pygex has a guide up there thats a good start

[spice veldt]

it's niche because it only procs after a BB and specifically only from a BB

whereas warp unleashed applies to all weapons

[safe crystal]

Lacerations is only good against monstrosities, pretty much. It doesnt give any breakpoints that you cant reach with warp unleashed on column 2, other than letting you 2 BB reapers and crushers. Even then, reapers and crushers live with very low health after the 2nd BB without it, basically any chip damage they've taken would've been enough to kill them (crushers live with ~50-100 hp depending on peril level for WU), and column 5 with warp battery lets you 2 shot crushers anyway if you start casting your first BB at 80 peril

[fluid knot]

Uhrm

You guys realise Warp Unleashed and Cerebral aint on the same tier right?

[safe crystal]

Yes

I would rather have communion or the CDR over it any day

[hot osprey]

I should play more psyker

[safe crystal]

It doesnt do anything meaningful

[fluid knot]

CDR is good, i agree with that, but Cerebral is very useful if you're running something like a Void setup where a good 50% or more of the mission you're running BB or Melee

[safe crystal]

Weird, considering i've mained voidstrike for ~400 hours now, and never considered switching off of from the CDR after trying lacerations for a few runs, realizing just how little impact it has in the end

[fluid knot]

I mean good for you, i personally went the opposite way kek

[plucky flax]

But you want the chaos spawn dead asap cos that thing is annoying.

So the extra damage will help the team bring it down quicker.

[hot osprey]

Good point

[fluid knot]

CDR was more relevant before the Illisi and Deimos was added, at this point, you dont need to be using Wrath all the time to keep the shit off you because it'll just get wiped by FS

[safe crystal]

This would be the niche application that lacerations has. Its the only thing going for it, since the other monstrosities are a joke right now

[hot osprey]

20% more damage from all sources is like if you have a VT2 shrapnel bomb with you

[fluid knot]

Christ they need to re-buff bosses, and hell, make them even tougher than they were before

the nerf was so unnecessary

[hot osprey]

Agree

[safe crystal]

The problem is their moveset and how they play out. Plogryn, you can just infinitely dodge in melee because its slow. Bonbon, just dont get hit with the vomit and its not allowed to do anything to you

[plucky flax]

Fresh lvl 32 psyker with a first clutch on the class. I want deflector slaughterer illisi though the new class grind is hard
https://youtu.be/BjVW7EFhCLo

[fluid knot]

I mean thats kinda true with all monstrosities, even the spawn isnt that hard if you know what to do about it

[plucky flax]

And the curios grind.

[fluid knot]

DH is only hard because if it aggros to someone, even if they can dodge it successfully for a time people are in the habit of ignoring it an letting it wipe two people, even if the situation gives them plenty of time to kill it off

[fluid knot]

Thats the hardest bit to get, and the bit you feel the most not having

Was levelling my Vet up in Damn' a few months back an you really feel not having the x3 toughness regen speed perks during the levelling process

[plucky flax]

Yeah I want hp, extra hp, toughness regeneration and stamina regeneration. Same curios as my zealot.

If only curios are account bound

Same with resources

[fluid knot]

Of all the RNG based issues this game has, they show their teeth the most with curios its true

[plucky flax]

Same with many things vt2 did but fs went backward and regress.

[heavy torrent]

The burst tracker and third person mods seem interesting

wdym fresh 32 though

[spice veldt]

oops I forgot that cerebral is on lvl15

I like my aura over cerebral since I see my ult as a pretty strong defensive tool against trappers and doggies

I want that shit up all the time

[plucky flax]

I have low experience with playing psyker. Total level is 32, where my total level on zealot is 450+

So I don't know much about the class and don't have that good gears.

[heavy torrent]

Ah
Says the one who is still 10 levels away from 30 on his Psyker 😔

[plucky flax]

I power level on Saturday and Sunday. Went from 11 to 30.

Was rough

[heavy torrent]

I can't really play on difficulties stronger than 3

[plucky flax]

I got some frens to carry me in special conditions damnation since those give the most exp

I was just unlimited power and stun xd

[heavy torrent]

Having high level friends 😩

[plucky flax]

[wheat quartz]

just made a nexus 4 blazing 3 trauma staff

this is surprisingly nice

for this thing do you guys spam low-charge explosions to spread soulblaze, or is it always a good idea to go max charge?

[loud peak]

does terrifying barrage work on surge staff lightning?

[safe crystal]

It does

But its not great

[plucky flax]

When in doubt. Warp flurry warp nexus.

[unreal dust]

Is Surge worth a damn on Trauma Force? Pretty sure that answer is no, but I'd like to double check

[safe crystal]

Only works on LMB

Same with sustained fire

[unreal dust]

That's what I thought. Thanks~

[safe crystal]

You got double fucked with those blessings

[unreal dust]

Nah. Its Melk's inventory

[safe crystal]

Ah, well

[pine relic]

I'm fine, don't mind me

[prisma condor]

[late yew]

Surge needs some slight buffs 😦

too peril hungry

too low damage against non flak

[harsh cobalt]

I don't think it's really meant to be a killing machine. I think they should lean even heavier into it's cc and support thing, and just give it a few extra targets it can chain to

Instead of more raw damage

[safe crystal]

Elite/specialist priority would be great for surge

[steel egret]

Best we can do is prisoner pants in different color.

[wheat quartz]

Blazing trauma, is this alright to stop here or should I keep spamming

[cosmic sigil]

it's for melee psykers, i play regularly with a killing machine using surge

[ember hornet]

step 1: equip illisi
step 2: equip anything else

[plucky flax]

Illisi surge for the swag

[lyric burrow]

I find both force swords are good enough to round out any kit but illisi in particular it does not matter what i bring with it

[smoky wigeon]

Alright me again. I'm still struggling horrifically staying alive.

Is there a particular way to make myself more...tanky?

[fluid knot]

Move around more

Honestly thats the best thing about psyker, you have crazy high mobility

[tropic vigil]

Positioning.

I'd let your team take the lead until you got more comfortable with dodging

[fluid knot]

Once you have it down, you'll be able to clear a horde without even being touched, particularly if using a force sword

[smoky wigeon]

Hmmm. I swear my survivability went down when I started using Deimos sword over illisi

[fluid knot]

You'll have to adjust to the moveset ofc

[smoky wigeon]

Yeah

[fluid knot]

That's probably whats fucking you, take it into the MG an familiarise yourself with it for 20min 🙂

[glossy hazel]

Rate my bowling baller

[smoky wigeon]

Shooters are what gets me the most

[fluid knot]

Very nice sah

[smoky wigeon]

I can dodge hordes and such well

It's them darn shooters

I rock a fire staff so I can't just shoot them

[fluid knot]

Well then just avoid being in their LoS as much as possible, dont forget sliding breaks thier targetting

[smoky wigeon]

Hmmm okay yeah

Just gotta practice moren

[copper torrent]

You might also be playing risky? Are you dying while being aggressive, or are you just getting hit from behind or torn up by shooters?

[glossy hazel]

Purgatus suffers a lot against shooters, you kinda need a deflector force sword if you don't want to get shredded approaching them.

[smoky wigeon]

@copper torrent honestly it's when I'm risky

[fluid knot]

Nah, you need to slide more, you dont need to have deflector at all to push shooters

[smoky wigeon]

I usually see a group notice no one is engaging and attempt to engage

[copper torrent]

Yeah, you're gonna have to learn to ride the knife's edge.

[smoky wigeon]

That's particularly when I notice I dien

[glossy hazel]

Fair, though it helps a lot.

[smoky wigeon]

Okay. Sliding. Slide more not it.

GOT it slide more

[copper torrent]

In that situation, master the crab dodge walk at them.

[fluid knot]

It helps in the interim period of learning how to slide-spam for sure, but it falls off a lot in usefulness once you have it down 🙂

Crab dodge is also hella useful too^^

[glossy hazel]

All the other staffs have the tiny magic bolts to deal with shooters, they get suppressed hard from them even if you don't land a hit on one.

[smoky wigeon]

Usually my approach is slide spam some fire then melee

Not channel fire just regular to stop them from shootin

USUALLY works but eh

[copper torrent]

That's good. Most psykers under utilize suppression from lmb

[smoky wigeon]

Range just sucks for LMB fire staff

[copper torrent]

Oh purg. Sorry.

[smoky wigeon]

Thanks guys seems I'm on the right path

Just more practice in damnation

[fluid knot]

Practice makes perfect an all that shit

[hard breach]

4 psyker run. man that was fun

[lyric burrow]

Everytime i get 3 other psykers in random lobbies we die right at the end

[hard breach]

We had good setup for the end of this one, ascension riser 2 of us had flames other 2 lightning xD

Fire everywhere, so much warpfire

[silent coral]

is the soul blaze build acutally any good? ive been told soul blaze is weak and the ticks are low dmg

[rigid sky]

Is Surge better than Transfer Peril?

[silent coral]

i personally feel its a playstyle choice? Transfer peril works well with quietude for example

having said that i am building my own surge voidstrike to test the potential

[wheat quartz]

eh, it's working for me in damnation right now, but purgatus feels easier to use

still, it lets me deal with things purgatus can't

and still massacres hordes

[safe crystal]

In terms of actual DPS, transfer peril/flurry is far superior to surge/nexus. You get consistent, infinite spam that ramps up in speed and feeds you with toughness if you have quietitude, instead of sometimes oneshotting a dreg and scab gunners/shotgunners/bombers. Your max crit will be 30%, which makes it very unreliable.

[rigid sky]

Oh good, my voidstrike is safe then

[wheat quartz]

then again this is the first time I'm using a trauma since I tried it back when I was leveling psyker during the beta and it sucked back then, I need to get used to it

[rigid sky]

Trauma is hard mode

It's great but so tough

[wheat quartz]

yeah it's not as comfy as purge

but stunlocking a corridor full of crushers is amusing

[rigid sky]

Surge does that too, but is way less killy

[wheat quartz]

and burning all the trash nearby to death for free is also funny

[rigid sky]

Trauma is the All-Staff

Just needs you to have a universebrain

Sorry

Incomparable mind

I mean to say

[glossy hazel]

Surge is only really good with Warp Nexus for more crit chance.
It's for burst damage when you crit, double meatball crit can deal up to or even more than a thousand damage.

Transfer Peril is better for general use though since you can spam meatballs pretty much nonstop.

[rigid sky]

I tend to see VS as more of a trash clearer anyway

For elites I'll just either Deimos or Brain Barrage them

[glossy hazel]

It does surprisingly good damage on charged shots.

[rigid sky]

Huh, good Carapace piercing too

[glossy hazel]

Double that on crits

Since Surge

[wheat quartz]

is it really worth running surge/nexus over flurry/peril

[glossy hazel]

It's an alternative play style, I'd say pick your poisons. Both are viable I think.

[rigid sky]

I guess you could take ascendant blaze with the nexus/Surge VS

And kinetic barrage with the transfer/flurry onw

Ine

One ffs

Sorry, my incomparable mind is incapable of using a phone keyboard

[glossy hazel]

I blow up Reapers and Crushers fairly fast with the meatballs on high peril

[safe crystal]

Do note that surge doesnt make the 2nd ball a critical hit, unless you roll it to be a crit as well

[glossy hazel]

4 full charge shots to kill a crusher, I think it was 1 crit out of those without any warp charges and 60% peril gained.

Gonna shoot some more

Yea, it's 4-5 full charge shots to kill a crusher

Using this

[balmy grotto]

bro

[glossy hazel]

This was from one crit to it's head

Though I think that is in combination with Kinetic Flayer

Up to or more than 1.5K burst damage with Kinetic Flayer + Surge with Voidstaff

Interesting, surge also works on LMB shots too

Damn, it can potentially two tap a lot of elites like gunners and ragers if you crit with the LMB bolts

[safe crystal]

The thing is, you can already one tap both ragers with BB if you use, and you should be using, warp unleashed.

[steel flame]

Still Trying to get my hands on one to experiment with but the god awful hadron slot machine refuses to even give me the surge blessing, let alone a good staff to put it on

[copper torrent]

surge isn't very good

[steel flame]

I wanna strangle whoever approved that awful system

[glossy hazel]

Yea but staff LMB shooting takes less time than charging a BB

[steel flame]

See...I wanna know if that's true or if it's been repeated so often that people just believe that

[copper torrent]

Tyr shows off the best case scenerio

[safe crystal]

You also need to get 2 crits, at least

[copper torrent]

most of the time it's just gonna get canceled by your movement or go off in inopportune (read: useless) times.

I used to main voidstaff.

[glossy hazel]

I'm talking the tiny bolts, not the charged one

[safe crystal]

That is the LMB, without any additional buffs (warp charges, WU)

[steel flame]

I also need to test lmb spam

[copper torrent]

Ah, You know what. I never tested lmb spam

[steel flame]

Along with rmb spam.

[glossy hazel]

+/- 650 DPS on a dreg rager at around 50% peril

[steel flame]

I can kinda test lmb with a surge trauma but

I would like to do everything on the staff I am actually gonna use it on......if I can ever get one

[safe crystal]

Incredible. Ragers take the same damage from normie bodyshots and weakspots, and crit bodyshots and weakspots with voidstrike RMB I got bamboozled

[glossy hazel]

Brainburst is still the King but Surge makes staff LMBs actually somewhat viable and an option if you need to be more mobile

[safe crystal]

Oh wait

[copper torrent]

Ima try this.

[safe crystal]

It changed to trauma for some reason, BUT

Crit headshots do less damage than crit bodyshots

[steel flame]

Note that if you quell cancel too fast it can cancel the surge lmb shot

But you can get it going extremely fast

[copper torrent]

Other Animations also cancel the surge too. Sliding, sprinting, staggers. Just for posterity, I know you're testing in meatgrinder, but out in game it'll be much easier to cancel the surge

[remote hazel]

can anyone offer assistance to a psyker looking to complete malleus monstronum?

[copper torrent]

is that 90% damage to a boss on malice or higher?

I leveled up an ogryn with a shield JUST for this. I can help.

[broken carbon]

good lord

[silent coral]

So how exactly is warp nexus calculated on void strike charged attacks? Is every hit calculated on whether to be a crit or is it calculated only once? also opinions on sustained file on voidstrike?

[broken carbon]

sustained fire doesn’t work as far as i know

i think it works for primary fire

but the charge attacks it doesn’t

[lethal folio]

Sustained fire is broken, it is meant to increase the base charge level but it breaks and just gives ranged damage like on guns.

[near wyvern]

Voidstrike crit is calculated when the cast is complete, if it is a crit the ball will deal a critical hit on anything that it touches (similar to melee attacks) but also the explosion will crit.

[remote hazel]

Do you know two other volunteers with about 20 minutes on their hands?

[copper torrent]

dming you

[rigid sky]

Heresy or higher

[copper torrent]

Ah, heresy. Thanks.

[burnt maple]

you could put Blazing Spirit + Surge on a Voidstrike staff

and it would stil be underwhelming

i've tested a Surge staff in the psykanium and our base crit + a +5% crit perk is just too low to be worth a damn

[keen vale]

Halfway through my psyker career and I think I'll think I'll go for a surge staff pretty much 99% of the time.
It stuns whatever it hits (purgation doesn't do that), it's got a fairly long range, and the peril generation isn't too bad. The only downside is that I'd be using the inaccurate ranged bolt rather than, say, whatever a gun does.

[burnt maple]

all the staves need the right blessings and they change how well they perform. wait until you get to 30 and have rank 3 or 4 blessings etc

rather, i wouldn't limit myself to just the Surge lightning staff, but i also don't enjoy using it

stunning is fine, but so is just killing things outright

[spice veldt]

blessings are meh on the staffs at most

[ornate hamlet]

the pug matches are especially bad today. 3rd match in a row I drop in and 2 people are down and the bots are trying to get them up in the middle of a lake of flames or everyone goes down first time a bulwark comes out

I just want people who stay togeather so I can level my psycher and get some crafting mats to get good toys to murder with !@

[shadow wigeon]

Surge staff is great in any match. It helps if someone has good direct damage to remove the really big targets you stun. It's also wise to learn when to stun things. Controlling the position of a mutant to drop it right in front of your hammer zealot means it will get removed even quicker. Or lock targets in place for your shooters to headshot etc. Just spamming it is not always optimal.

And I would suggest only zapping bursters as a very last resort, or if you can learn the timing precisely to get them to pop.

Also, when you get to rolling orange surge staffs, if you dont get Flurry/Nexus 4 on the first blessing, re-bless it to Barrage before you roll orange. There are only 3 T4 blessings, so if you have Barrage on there - and you roll a T4 - you are guaranteed Nexus of Flurry.

[shadow wigeon]

Ragers have damage reduction on their heads, that make headshots similar to bdy shots (depends on what bonus the weapon gets to WS damage)

@safe crystal 85% damage taken on head

[safe crystal]

Mhm, but it being specifically only crits that suffer from it is funny to me

[shadow wigeon]

I didn't see exactly what you're doing, but the crit bonus on weakspots, tends to be a lot smaller than the crit bonus on body shots.

So a crit headshot has the "worst" bonus, and will be the most affect by rager damage reduction

[spice veldt]

still wildly unintuitive

[shadow wigeon]

It makes sense from a really high level - they didn't want crit headshots to go way out of proportion. But it makes zero sense from a player perspective.

There are very few weapons where crits really matter, and that's totally opaque to almost everybody.

[spice veldt]

it's wonky because they gave the head/weakspot a hitzone multiplier when there's already a weakspot system to modify damage dealt to them

[shadow wigeon]

oh you mean for the rager? Yeah, I think it's just fun flavour, where they didn't consider how the math would end up looking........ silly.

[safe crystal]

Idk, i would say hitting something in the head should always deal more damage if it has the same armour value, even if theres some kind of a reduction in play. Just looks extra silly

[spice veldt]

it's an edge case yeah

[safe crystal]

Revolver also gets fucked by the same thing

[spice veldt]

typical crit L

[shadow wigeon]

Gotta roll that low Crit Bonus stat so you dont get screwed on those rager headshot new meta

[safe crystal]

Or just shoot in the body, since noncrits take 4 hits to kill anyway even with headshots without any additional damage

[shadow wigeon]

I did some napkin math to try to quantify why surge/nexus is worse than flurry/transfer. I think this math is right...
At 10% Nexus buff (presumably around average), you're getting ~18% bonus damage from Surge, and a little worse if you're getting headshots (16%)
At 20% Nexus, it's 30% more damage, 28% on weakspots.

Whereas Flurry is worth around 30% (IIRC for 80% charge rate) on it's own at 5 stacks, which you're going to be at so much of the time.

[harsh urchin]

which staff

[shadow wigeon]

Oh sorry, RMB on voidstrike

The bonus to LMB should be quite a bit higher, ona ccount of the better crit damage bonus

[harsh urchin]

oh voidstrike is so sad

it just doesn't feel impactful enough

is that fixable with blessings lol

[harsh cobalt]

Find voidstrike to be the most fun. You blast into the horde and just see a giant hole all the way through with giblets flying everywhere

[stone cradle]

I like Void Strike, Trauma's RMB can be hard to get distance on.

[shadow wigeon]

Warp Flurry/Transfer Peril makes it quite fun

[stone cradle]

what's your pick for level 25 feat?

[shadow wigeon]

It's the weakest of the staffs, though, and suffers from having narrow utility

But it's super fun

[near wyvern]

Not really true, purge performs good enough even with bad blessings and stats because the main portion of damage comes from the Soulblaze effects. Good stats and blessings just make it perform a bit better.

[burnt maple]

that's what i said

[near wyvern]

Void? Not really. If you mean weakest as in a solo carry then yeah, but if you have someone in team to deal with elites, void is super strong.

It's just with purge and especially trauma, you can solo clutch quite easily. Even with Surge if you are good with Illisi. The key with void is to learn to quell cancel and then know when you should be quell cancelling and when you should not.

For void you can also roll with Blazing Spirit + Warp Nexus 4 and +5% crit chance, it drops a bit horde DPS in favour of more spread out damage and dealing better with ranged units.

But that's not recommended unless you are an experienced player and have mastered quell cancelling as well, it's a must to get that stuff to work. Also you will live at 80-100 peril all the time so risk of popping your brains out when things get hairy if you are not experienced.

[stone cradle]

Yeah... it's a bit scary.

[burnt maple]

voidstrike without Transfer Peril doesn't feel too great. it's still useable, but Transfer Peril turns it into a machine gun as long as there's horde/shooters

[whole oxide]

the thing is, that building to be 10% more efficient in an optimal situation that the team can already handle anyway, is the wrong way to look at making a build

[burnt maple]

i agree with that. versatility is king imo

[lament glen]

Ok I know this text error has existed forever but what does Warp Nexus actually do?

[safe crystal]

Crit chance

[lament glen]

ahhh, seen

[near wyvern]

Yeah totally agree, that's why my main loadout is nexus spirit trauma + Deimos (mutant one shot)

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, I just mean at the margin. Void is great on everything up until hi STG. But then solo clutch is necessary for short stretches.

However, it does suffer in 360 horde situations, like Relay Station, or even the end of Sycorax, sometimes.

[safe crystal]

You get a stack at 20/40/60/80 peril, each for 5%

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I don't find the juice is worth the squeeze on blaze/nexus void. I'm hooked on +power soulblaze, and void doens't encourage swiching to sword.

[near wyvern]

Nexus Spirit void can handle 270 but yeah I agree, it suffers with stg, doesn't even have to be hi int

[near wyvern]

The thing with +power from Slaughterer sword is that it doesn't make up for the damage you could do if you just sticked with your nexus spirit void/trauma.

I do use slaughterer + unstable power Deimos with my Nexus spirit void but it only comes out when there is a mutant or a lone enemy. If there is a lone enemy on my face and targets behind it I will just shoot through.

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah that's what I mean, for Void, it's not worth switching to sword.
For Trauma, I play nexus/blaze as a meme build so I am 100% switching to sword once I have 4+ stacks down 😮

[near wyvern]

Even if you go with wildfire it's just not as much damage as you would have by continuing to use ranged, sadly. Wildfire is both bugged and underwhelming, unfortunately.

[shadow wigeon]

I have 300 hours on wildfire now, I'm very comfortable with how strong it is

And in the case of Fire Trauma, i am doing it for meme fire, so it's mainly for fun

[whole oxide]

lets be honest, blazing spirit on anything is a meme

[near wyvern]

Memeing is fine, claiming it strong is not, cause it's not strong.

[near wyvern]

Yeah this is not true

[shadow wigeon]

Wildfire on Purg is very strong. On Trauma it's only slightly more of a hassle but still strong.

You just have to work around the hassle of +3 stacks from crit, and having to ball park how many stacks you have out there

[whole oxide]

what would you consider it to not be a meme on?

[shadow wigeon]

Because Trauma does not require blessings as much, it's fine to run Blazing on Trauma.

[whole oxide]

i guess you're not losing anything important by taking it on trauma, but you're not gaining anything either

[shadow wigeon]

Free damage, feel cool.

• more synergy with AB

[near wyvern]

Yeah no, of you have warp nexus on purge anything that has been touching your flames for more than 1 second cannot be targeted by it. The only things that benefit from wildifre with purge are enemies that die on the edges of your flame, which doesn't happen that often.

Yes, at times you may get a funny effect running around, but 95% of the time it's contributing almost nothing to purgatus, you would be better off picking kinetic flayer for extra stack gen with Psykinetic's Aura to spam ult or picking up battery to juice up your gamage by an extra 8% and have access to the 6 stack AB bomb.

[whole oxide]

damage is tiny, feel cool = meme, taking AB without purgatus seems pretty questionable when KB is so good

[shadow wigeon]

I do not use Purg at all the way you are thinking

[near wyvern]

Blazing Spirit and Warp Nexus 4 on trauma is a real thing. You just need a very specific roll (near max charge rate and charge speed) and you gotta quell cancel your shots. 311112 of 311212 for the feats.

[whole oxide]

would need to see some video to be convinced

[near wyvern]

Gonna DM cause kids interrupted me

[whole oxide]

going into psykanium and spamming trauma with bs/nexus, a single proc is negligible damage

and the amount of time it takes to get a double proc, most things will be dead by then

[shadow wigeon]

In my case I use it with Wildfire and +power, so you only need 1 application to be in business, ideally 2 though, which is... as you point out, a bit of a hassle.
It's competitive at all levels, though.

(Largely because Trauma is just good on it's own)

[whole oxide]

i mean, you can use it, but the BS/wildfire is adding like 1% efficiency to your build, you'd do basically the same without it

[shadow wigeon]

Depends what you're going for. If you want to light the world on fire, it's fun, and functional, if a bit squirrely.

[near wyvern]

This isn't true. The proc allows you to make a safe footing while dealing decent damage and it helps to deal with ranged enemies which is the weakness of trauma.

A single proc will deal decent damage with a full battery. A full proc equals a 7 stack mini AB in damage because you are not dropping the stacks.

A proc into 6 stack AB is huge damage on all but crushers.

@whole oxide sent you some gameplay as DM as another person was interested so I recorded for them, have not them publicly available since they are not production quality (some interruptions by kids edited out)

[whole oxide]

cool, thank you, will take a look

[shadow wigeon]

"The only things that benefit from wildifre with purge are enemies that die on the edges of your flame, which doesn't happen that often."

Purg does not magically targets all enemies on screen.
You use Wildfire because you don't want to stand and flame. 4 SB stacks is enough, anything beyond 6 is overkill. You just light whatever horde you wanted to, switch to sword and let the Wildfire carry on it's own - while you go do whatever you want. KIll muties, loot, reposition.

It's a different playstyle, and I don't use Nexus with Wildfire.

[whole oxide]

ehhhh, its hard to tell from that if BS is really doing anything

all i see is trauma doing trauma things

[shadow wigeon]

Particularly in hiSTG I like Wildfire because it can do damage while you're mobile.

[harsh urchin]

doesn't wildfire have that issue where the way it spreads is not conducive to actually being useful

[near wyvern]

Anything above 4 will not get stacks yes, and anything with only 1 stack cannot spread it

[whole oxide]

i would upload video of psykanium with bs trauma, but my upload speed is dog

[harsh urchin]

yeah so 4 stacks generally won't kill stuff from full health

so how do you kill stuff?

[shadow wigeon]

By buffing it with +power from Slaughterer

[maiden knoll]

How does the new force sword model compare to the old one?

[harsh urchin]

so why apply the debuff, at a (25-30% chance) cuz of crit, swap to melee and then kill stuff

vs just blasting them again with the staff?

[shadow wigeon]

Do you mean for Trauma staff?

[harsh urchin]

or just meleeing a few times

[whole oxide]

there are two new ones, and they're both excellent

[harsh urchin]

i'm just trying to understand how you're able to make wildfire useful

whatever staff

because I found it underperformed heavily due to the way it works

[maiden knoll]

Better than the old one?

[whole oxide]

generally, yes, although some people prefer the old one

[steel flame]

i like it on blazing spirit trauma for max fire spread, but not much use elsewhere

[whole oxide]

the old one is an all-rounder, the 2 new ones specialise in horde clear and single-target respectively

[maiden knoll]

Ok thx

[harsh urchin]

yeah I haven't played that build so I can't speak to it

but what i want to understand is

[shadow wigeon]

On Purg, you have all the control you want. Apply 6 stacks, then switch to sword. You'll almost certainly get a kill immediately, and once you have 1 stack of Slaughter, it will ramp to 5 right away.

Then you can go melee high value target, like muties, etc. The horde will die on it's own, and you are carrying 5 stacks of slaghter without killing anything.

[harsh urchin]

why would it be better than standard trauma

[shadow wigeon]

On Trauma, it's more just for fun

[harsh urchin]

but why wouldn't i just hold down my staff

and everything will die anyways

and i can pick up +2 warp charges talent instead of wildfire

[shadow wigeon]

Because you don't need to, and Wildfire will keep killing things that weren't targettable.

Both playstyles are fine.

If there is nothing better to do than flame, then it makes no difference

[harsh urchin]

but to me it seems like wildfire is worse

[shadow wigeon]

But I prefer the versatility of not standing and flaming, and let the horde kill itself

[harsh urchin]

since it doesn't necessarily do anything better

[near wyvern]

But why would you put the purge down when you can control all but muties and Bulwakrs (shield on) with it, while dealing damage?

[harsh urchin]

like what I want to understand is if this is a build that's "this is good/better than existing" or "this is unique but not necessarily better"

so far it's sounding like the latter

[shadow wigeon]

on hi STG the muties are the biggest reason, then secondarily mobility from snipers/bombers

[near wyvern]

Same for trauma, why put it down when you can control all but muties with it? And those mutants are one shot with Deimos H2 anyway

[shadow wigeon]

I'm not gonna promote it for Trauma, that's just for fun. But Fire Trauma for me is a meme build anyway.

[harsh urchin]

like is it unique for the sake of being a snowflake, or does it actually do anything better than the baseline build

[near wyvern]

So we can agree wildifre is a meme build

[harsh urchin]

that's the question i want to understand

[shadow wigeon]

Ok, I can only explain one more time. Wildfire is passive kills, while you can be mobile. You only require a small number of stacks (3 is enough if necessary) to kill horde.

[harsh urchin]

you don't need wildfire to be mobile though

you can literally flame stuff, switch to melee or stay on staff and then move

[whole oxide]

have you actually gone into the psykanium and observed the wildfire spreading? its incredibly unreliable, and even when it does work, low damage

[near wyvern]

I mean it works to some extent, I have tried it myself with void, purge and trauma (including the melee swapping), it's just that it is far from optimal and you could do a lot more.

[shadow wigeon]

I've used it for 300 hours on all difficulties

[whole oxide]

that's not what i'm asking tho

[harsh urchin]

yeah I mean i'm sure it works lol

i'm just trying to understand in what ways it's better than the +2 WC you're giving up

and right now it just seems to be a meme build

[near wyvern]

Also, quite often there are holes in the enemy lines which will put it out

[whole oxide]

during a mission its very easy to confirmation bias into thinking you're doing alot, when all you're doing is making blue lights

[shadow wigeon]

it continues getting kills while you are in melee, sometimes for ages after you are gone.

[harsh urchin]

but is that really a problem for purg build in the first place?

[shadow wigeon]

And and can pump it with LMB shots while moving if you want. 3 stacks is enough to kill a horde, and you can get 3 shots off before Slaughter expires.

[shadow wigeon]

on hi STG, sure

The benefits of battery were not much to give up, so I prefer Wildfire, and on top of that it's just more fun in normal games.

Like when you light mobs on fire across zones, in spawns, etc.

[harsh urchin]

ok that's an argument i can accept

if it's more fun

but i'm just not seeing how it's better lol

[shadow wigeon]

Passive kills, it does a lot of damage after you have moved on, and it will keep 5 slaughter stacks up for quite awhile without having to melee anything

Plus you're going to get a few more WC's here and there, although it's probably marginal, im not sad that I get them.

[harsh urchin]

hmm fair enough

I personally don't find the usecase "doing a lot of damage after you have moved on" compelling

[shadow wigeon]

ABing a horde at 3 stacks is also sufficient

[harsh urchin]

because it's not a condition that I find particularly useful

but i'm happy that you're having fun with it lol

[shadow wigeon]

Depends how you want to play. I have 1200 hours on Psyker I just don't want to stand and flame anymore, and Wildfire makes for fun combos.

Also, flaming a boss with 5 Slaughter stacks is a lot of extra damage - you need a horde around for it, though.

[shadow wigeon]

We have a scoreboard for that.

[steel flame]

we also have kill counter for that

kill counter lets you see exactly what your doing

[safe crystal]

Poor indicator, considering i can grab a surge + illisi, run around with equally good players (i ran with Josho and Redverse from zealot chat, and Arco earlier today), and still match their damage just by using my melee most of the time.

You'd need a way to split the damage into melee damage and everything else

[whole oxide]

if scoreboard showed you what damage was done by wildfire, but it doesn't

[near wyvern]

That's because illisi is a monster, even more so if you have AB for hordes as well

[safe crystal]

Yep, exactly my point. Its hard to say what part of the damage is wildfire, since the mod doesnt show that specifically, as far as im aware

[near wyvern]

It's easy to say what part is wildfire. It's the part that is negligible.

[safe crystal]

True

[harsh urchin]

kill counter doesn't mean too much tbh

because there's tons of stuff people can do to impact the game that isn't represented in kills

[shadow wigeon]

I compare my run stats with different builds.

And while you're in game, you can tell if Wildfire is working by Slaughter procs, which also tells you when it's run its course.

[whole oxide]

and its also possible with high aoe weapon to get kills where others did 90% of work

[vestal rose]

i have seen the light
unstable power is great

i miss deflector tho ;-;

[copper torrent]

They should have secured those kills then. Mine now.

[shadow wigeon]

You have kills, actual damage, overkill damage, and kills and damage by enemy type. There's a lot of information.

[whole oxide]

but it only shows you overall performance, and only relative to others in the team

if there's a vet going ham with a shredder, your damage will be lower, as less stuff to do

[shadow wigeon]

Not sure what the relevance of that is. Any build on any class is going to perform differently with different comps. You can definitely assess your build validity on those comps, but... that's got nothing to do with just comparing raw performance between builds.

[harsh urchin]

QQ

if you run blazing spirit

and hit multiple enemies

do they all get stacks

[shadow wigeon]

With Trauma RMB? yes.

[harsh urchin]

with illisi

[whole oxide]

but thats the point

[harsh urchin]

hmm kinda wanna make a fun meme build with wildfire but i dont think it's possible

[whole oxide]

you can't do a run with WF and say I did X damage, then do a run without and do Y damage, and conclude one is better

[harsh urchin]

i need slaught, blazing and bloodthirsty all 3 of them

which I don't think is possible sadge

[shadow wigeon]

Yes, it does

[shadow wigeon]

No, you can't base it on 1 run? What are we talking here. Compare your stats on dozens, hundreds if you care.

[copper torrent]

Can we do an unscientific test? Meat grinder, spawn a huge horde. Measure damage with wild fire on and off? It won't be perfect, but it would give us a control to test at.

[shadow wigeon]

with meme set to maximum, I use this with Blaze Trauma Wildfire.
It does... about as much as you expect. But, it does keep Wildfire going everytime you hit and yadda yadda.
9% chance of blaze is really.... unremarckable.

[harsh urchin]

yeah that seems super bad lmao

i dont think it's posssible then

since you need slaught, blazing and bloodthirsty

and you can only have 2 blessings

[river dawn]

Should i keep maniac and roll unarmoured to flak? or what do you guys recommend?

[harsh urchin]

leave unarmored, maniac -> flak

or maniac->crit

[shadow wigeon]

+unyielding on Purg is great for bosses

[river dawn]

Yes i actually love to keep flaming the bosses but ppl usually tell me to stop and pull out my hands xD

[shadow wigeon]

It's not bad, because Slaughterer is already doing 90% of the work. The second blessing doesn't matter much.
But in terms of adding fire it is marginal.
Also will not apply blaze on kills, only hits.

[shadow wigeon]

Nonsense. Purg is very strong on boss.

[spice veldt]

plogryn and beast of nurgle take more damage from BB now so I think their DPS outcompetes purg? probably better to mix both though and just throw out fire every 8 seconds to keep the soulblaze stacks

[harsh urchin]

well if the blessing is doing nothing then i would say it'd bad 😛

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah that's the ideal, I think

[harsh urchin]

need bloodthirsty to make it consistent prob

[shadow wigeon]

The second blessing on illisi just doesn't matter much anyway, so the marginal difference is small.

[harsh urchin]

the second blessing has to be blazing

in order for our meme wildfire build to work lmao

[shadow wigeon]

If you can get Slaughter stacks while SB on boss, it's big damage.

[harsh urchin]

otherwise you're just playing normal psyker

[shadow wigeon]

I just mean the second blessing isn't material no matter what you're doing. For Wildfire, all you care about is Slaughter anyway.

The second blessing is just... whatever playstyle you feel like

[harsh urchin]

yeah I dont think you're seeing it lol

the point would be to stack bloodthirsty + blazing to guaranteed apply stacks

but since we can't fit slaught + blood + blazing all on one weapon

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, I get it, but there's scenario where we do that, so...

[harsh urchin]

it's not possible to make it work

[shadow wigeon]

What does make it work mean? Yes a build we can't build does not work, agreed.

[river dawn]

Ok! Thanks for the help guys. now i'll go burn some more heretics

[shadow wigeon]

With Illisi you have free pick on second blessing. So, if you want to meme fire sword, you can, because the delta is small compred to other blessings.
But it doesn't have a huge impact, period. You can get 10% chance of fire.

[shadow wigeon]

Nice

[shadow wigeon]

If you're going to Illisi a horde anyway, Blazing will just proc some free fire. The only reason it's not the worst Illisi build is because there are genuinely worse blessings, so I do not recommend it.
But.
If you just want to see more fire - go for it. You're not giving up a ton. It does do it's thing, and 4 stacks at +5 Slaughter is enough to kill horde.

[safe crystal]

@shadow wigeon It does somewhat work, and i stand corrected. I did 3 tests, and they all were pretty similar at the end result, this was the cleanest and with least work with Illisi

[steel flame]

just had an extremely spicy hi shock with 3 psykers and a zealot

much fun

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, it's a very fun build, and you can push that passive murder pretty hard.
There's other option, like ABing a horde that is half beyond your max range, because you only need to catch a chunk of them for Wildfire to kill most or all of it.

[copper torrent]

Neat. Good job! I was gonna do wit when i got home. Thanks for saving me the trouble lol

[shadow wigeon]

FWIW in practice you often don't need to get any kills with your sword.

I find 6-7 SB stacks is enough for the first one to die anyway, and then it just sets of Slaughterer on it's own. And in game, there's often one dying instantly just to some random damage they had accumulated from another player, and it just sets off on it's own.

At the extreme, if you AB with 3 stacks, though, you really need to dive and get a sword kill quickly to make it work.

AB with 2 stacks will effectively do nothing, but 3 is fine - you probably have to give it a push tho.

This is making me want to try the cursed 312122 build again, and see how far it can be pushed.

[normal sequoia]

I am still on a hunt for a decent Illisi, but Hadron keeps saying no

Managed to cobble this up so far. Worth keeping or should I start over?

I dunno what the current meta is, so I am just going with what seemed to work for me on Obscurus back then, lol

[shadow wigeon]

That’s excellent, you’re nearly at peak. I would sit on that and work on other gear you’re missing.

You can only make very small improvements.

[safe crystal]

Thats great, you're only missing T4 flak and higher stats

[normal sequoia]

oh, okay then. It is kinda refreshing to hear I don't have to keep grinding for illisi then. 😄

[shadow wigeon]

You’re already in S tier with that.

[copper torrent]

Don't let perfect be the enemy to the rest of your gear.

[tropic vigil]

is anyone having issues with feats swapping whenever youre at prematch screen?

anytime id make a change nothing actually changes and i just get sent back to what i queued with

[shadow wigeon]

Bugged since big content drop. Can’t switch in pre match.

[tropic vigil]

kind of lame. i thought for a moment the schizohrena was setting in

hopefully fixed soon.

[copper torrent]

It's also weapons, in my experience. Be careful

[shadow wigeon]

It's your whole laodout, including cosmetics.
The workaround, if you really need to, is switch your loadout, alt-f4 (not sure exactly when but certainly in the dropship anim) and you can rejoin with your selected loadout.

Haven't personally done that but my buddy has used it a few times to change loadouts.

[tropic vigil]

i was able to leave lobby screen in time fortunately. would rather just requeue than run double purg tbh

[raven gate]

double purg isnt that bad

hell, one time i ran triple purg and we stomped that mission

[tropic vigil]

in high int its not too bad but this was just a ez low intense so i swapped to kb build

[harsh cobalt]

Wait, so I wasn't going crazy when I was sure I swapped stuff and I still ended up with something else in match

I thought I'm losing it

[shadow wigeon]

You have not been able to change loadout in prematch since the content patch.

Weirdly isn't being talked about a lot I find.

Maybe people dont swap in loadout that often and dont notice.

[harsh cobalt]

I've not played for a long while. I played closed tests since first network test, and like 3 days on release. Came back last week

So I missed a bit

Honestly doesn't feel that different lol

[shadow wigeon]

I have not seen it mentioned much. I think many people are unaware.

[harsh cobalt]

Tbh I don't swap often in queue

[tropic vigil]

does true solo mod let you earn penances?

[cloud star]

no

[tropic vigil]

ty. figured it didnt

[twilit flicker]

good news

[spice veldt]

fantastic

[ornate hamlet]

Hmmm...

Should I?

[crude cape]

why is the board just constantly filled with t5 low intensity

ugh

[ornate hamlet]

For shred 4, yeah

[shadow wigeon]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/175

It helps, at least.

[pine relic]

Let me see how this one performs

[crude cape]

hmm but has to be premades?

[shadow wigeon]

You can pub with it, but... it's weird. Only QP can join (since it's not on the board) It SEEMS like the older the mission is, the less likely you are to get players.

But I've used it to reply STG hi quite a bit

[wheat quartz]

siblings, does the stagger/minimal effect radius of the trauma staff scale at the same speed as the epicentre?

[steel flame]

mmmm yes

quite

[wheat quartz]

worth it to rapid fire weak charges to get soulblaze going on the nexus/blazing wildfire meme setup?

[steel flame]

yessir it sets entire radius on fire even outside the damage

also its not much of a meme

i find it to be better than flurry brittle trauma

[crude cape]

ok cool, i'll have to try it ty!

[steel flame]

best thing to do with blazing spirit trauma to spam quarter charges, get fire going, fire off some half and full to get kills, and back to short charges.

[wheat quartz]

alright I just built one, so I'm messing around trying to get used to it

wildfire or warp battery?

[fluid knot]

Warp Battery

wildfire is bad

[wheat quartz]

specifically for trauma blazing

4 stacks is enough to kill poxies with slaughterer sword out, right?

lose a breakpoint though

hmm

[fluid knot]

Wildfire is bad no matter what instance you use it

[steel flame]

i use wildfire with my build, pygex uses warp battery for his. i find wild fire is excellent for ramping up your fire with blazing trauma. gets way more value than when its on purge staff thats for sure

[wheat quartz]

yeah on purge staff I bring warp battery, wildfire has no value there

thinking oneshot breakpoints with bb/illisi vs easier killing of poxies/etc with automatic fire spread

[steel flame]

whats nice is wildfire is proccing constantly as youre mulching the enemies chipped down by the soulblaze and it starts a cycle that keeps the stacks a minumum of 4 once its started

[wheat quartz]

interesting

I'll give that a try

[steel flame]

i do wish it would refresh fire stacks though

[wheat quartz]

lol it doesn't count as a reapplication?

[steel flame]

oh enemies that already have 4

[wheat quartz]

oh, I see

[shadow wigeon]

Wildfire is great on purg, you play an alternate high mobility build.
On Trauma it's abit more annoying, because Blazing only applies 3 stacks.

You can +power 3 stacks, but 4 stacks is much easier.

[steel flame]

you can get six more than fast enough.

[shadow wigeon]

Well, it's a bit out of your control

and it's hard to tell when the second proc hits

[steel flame]

fire get brighter

[pine relic]

Does block efficiency work on deflector?

[steel flame]

yes

[wheat quartz]

wildfire on purge - lots of primary fire spamming and swapping to sword, huh?

I should try that for fun

[shadow wigeon]

Sort of

[steel flame]

the sb gets brighter and you have the crit sounds which are kinda hard to miss when it crits 30 enemies at once

[shadow wigeon]

Generally I apply 6 stacks, then switch to sword. 6 stacks is enough to get an auto kill, which will start slaughterer

But, re: LMB

You can get 3x LMB shots off before Slaughter expires

so you can pump the flames and maintain 5x slaughter

[wheat quartz]

I normally play 211212 illisi purge

The blazing trauma staff is for novelty

I gotta say, it's fun

[shadow wigeon]

I run 311122 Purg, Deimos - why brinmg Illisi?

[steel flame]

anyways, youll want to get really comfortable with quell cancelling at 80+ peril with blazing trauma

i love using it

[wheat quartz]

Special heavy cleaving 30 poxies in half is really satisfying

That's pretty much the main reason

So I was thinking, if I'm going to bring Illisi because of that, I should probably try out a non-purge staff because otherwise I'm bringing two things with the same function

The trauma staff seems to fit the bill

[steel flame]

i use a knife

[wheat quartz]

Is that like the voidstrike quell cancel trick?

[steel flame]

yea

[wheat quartz]

Exactly the same tech?

Right ok

[steel flame]

yup

small charges will still light up the max aoe with fire

i bring a knife with fire truama mainly for bleeding ogryns and monstrosities to death

[wheat quartz]

does it still apply bleed hitting the front of bulwark shield or did fatshark fix that at some point

[steel flame]

they fixed that XP

[wheat quartz]

ah too bad

[steel flame]

bnut you are already knockin them on their ass so it doesnt make much differece

also if you keep 16 stacks up on monsters it does a butt load of damage

[wheat quartz]

I might try that for fun, I have t4 lacerate somewhere

[steel flame]

of course deimos exists but i find that getting loads of bleed stacks on ogryns then just letting them bleed to death lets me get back to goin boom boom boom FWOOOSH faster

[wheat quartz]

I like the deimos as well, but it doesn't have the hilarity factor of popping a charged heavy and seeing half a room get chopped in half

[wheat quartz]

Okay small charges on this thing really do work out to rapidly spread fire

Very nice

[shadow wigeon]

It r Meteor Staff

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, I should pay attention to it more. I keep missing it once things are really cooking. But I've only played it as a bit of a meme, I'll try some rounds taking it seriously and see if I can catch it.

[blissful dirge]

Sustained Fire IV. pog

seriously. the fuck is that available for psyker staves?

[near wyvern]

For the same reason the crit staff (surge) has no access to on crit blessings

[plucky flax]

Illisi most comfy force sword. I only use it for melee weapon.

[lament glen]

Aight two things: First, all Transcendent items, woo! (not BiS by any means but not terrible either)

Second: wtf has happened the preview images for my weapons

they look like they've been microwaved for too long

[kind jay]

[ornate hamlet]

bluri

[fluid knot]

Been a bug for a little while now

[lament glen]

Fatshark jank moment

[fluid knot]

Thankfully its only a minor thing so i doubt anyone will be massively bothered if its left in lew of fixing bigger issues, such as not being able to swap loadouts in the pre-game lobby

[plucky flax]

On purgatus staff the high damage roll for 11 damage vs 10 doesn't affect the burn tick right? So it's not worth it to find a high damage modifier staff?

[safe crystal]

Damage stat only affects the direct damage applied, not the DoT

[burnt maple]

if you want them to fix the blurry images, just tell them we accidently unlocked shirtless mode for weapons

[cyan portal]

One day I'm going to test how much dps difference the dmg stat on the purga actually makes. Just need to get two very low burn stat rolls with very different dmg to get good data.

[vast hare]

Well purgatus does apply soulblaze, and I've found that the semi auto only ever applies like 1 stack of it (or at least a fixed number of low stats that further uses of semi-auto never seem to increase). Perhaps using that you could measure out the damage of soulblaze and figure out based on how long a kill takes just how much of that damage came directly from the stick, and therefore how quickly its applying the damage tick

[fluid knot]

LOL

10/10 comment

[fluid knot]

The LMB mode seems to be about staggerin summat more than applying burn ticks

[cyan portal]

lmb applies one stack, or two if it crits

rmb applies a stack per period of time spend channeling out, not sure what the exact period is. and again two on crit

[shadow wigeon]

The dps (non dot) of purg has a very narrow damage range (9-11).
I beleive the "burning intensity" is the the ROF for purg dps.

It has a relatively narrow range as well (.41 - .29)

If that is the tick rate of dps hit, then the damage stat is not going to change purg direct damage very much.

[cyan portal]

If it is rate if fire that might effect total stacks applied per channel. The dot tick rate is fixed I'm pretty sure

[shadow wigeon]

dps and dot application are different rates

[shadow wigeon]

Yes, the tick rate, and tick damage are fixed (but affected by perks and blessings).
The application rates are defined by weapon stats.

[cyan portal]

You tested it? Would love to see a clip proving it

[agile garden]

Is psychic communion broken? I just did a hist5 and it barely proceed at all

[near wyvern]

Burn affects the rate of Soulblaze stacks

[near wyvern]

Did you have other Psykers in the party? It's seems to be shared between other Psykers

So you have a chance of 4% divided by number of Psykers running communion within coherency the proc lands on you

[vast hare]

absolutely yeah. It does basically nil damage, it really exists only to crowd control

and it does that really damn good into hordes of small stuff

[wheat quartz]

worth fishing for uncanny on Deimos or is the standard slaughterer/unstable ideal still

[fluid knot]

Depends what you wanna do, there is an interesting interaction with Soulblaze stacks on enemies and proc'ing Uncanny, but Slaugherer an Unstable is gonna be easier to play

[wheat quartz]

an interesting interaction?
lol is uncanny a buff on you that affects all outgoing damage instances?

[fluid knot]

If something carapace has Soulblaze stacks already on it, proc'ing Uncanny gives the stacks the armour negation buffed damage

[shadow wigeon]

No, I've never tested it. It's in the item description, and has been discussed on FS forums. The description and values make sense so it seems reasonable.

How they are reflected in reality, I've never seen tested.

[fluid knot]

I have a mate who plays it an the man is cracked as fuck, works v well

[spice veldt]

ye

[safe crystal]

Uncanny lets you deal more damage to players with barrels, since it removes some of the damage reduction players get

Thats the real use it has

[spice veldt]

TRUE

that's the real meta

[wheat quartz]

Lmao alright I'm going to keep fishing then

[fluid knot]

Also yes

Feel free to barrel that annoying vet who uses your BB glows as targeting markers and laugh

[signal merlin]

what are the BIS blessings and perks for a Mk V force sword?

[cyan portal]

That solves an old mystery for me ty

[shadow wigeon]

Slaughterer + take your pick. The second blessing gives you different playstyle options.

[ornate hamlet]

I dunno which one is the Mk5, but it's basically slaughterer and deflector or unstable power

Bloodthirsty added if illisi

[shadow wigeon]

Deflector, Unstable, Uncanny has utility as well.

[signal merlin]

how about perks

[shadow wigeon]

flak, maniac ideally

There are unfortunately a lot of other bad blessings, so it can take awhile to get the exact force sword you want.

Slaughter, you really want T3 or T4. Likewise with Unstable and Uncanny. Deflector any rank will do.

[fluid knot]

At least there is variety, unlike some other weapons 😢

[shadow wigeon]

It's not shared. If you don't run communion, you will not get any stacks.
It has been explained that Communion are shared among psykers with it, but that would be a difference without a distinction, so even if true not sure that it matters.

[shadow wigeon]

Nothing I see wrong with it, but I've certaily had stretches where it failed to proc. Any chance a lot of kills were happening outside of coherency?

[agile garden]

Wow..

[shadow wigeon]

It's not how it works

[near wyvern]

Literally what I said below the line you used for the reply

[shadow wigeon]

No, you said communion is divided by the number of psyker si. It is not.

[vast hare]

Does it actually reduce the proc chance for multiple psykers, as you state? Cuz if so that's really shit

thank god, cuz otherwise that'd be crud

Does it roll multiple times (once for each psyker, and then share any stacks gained) or is it only ever 1 4% roll per thing killed, then shared?

[shadow wigeon]

It has been suggested that only 1 charge is generated per kill, in coherency. So 2 psykers both running communion in coherency with each other would have an 8% chance of one of them getting a stack. But the odds don’t change, and I’m not sure anyone’s confirmed there is only 1 stack per kill in coherency.

Other psykers not running communion do not affect it nor benefit from it.

[olive ember]

Huh did he leave darktide discord

[ornate hamlet]

big F for that dueling sword ✊ 😔

[whole oxide]

"So you have a chance of 4% divided by number of Psykers*** running communion*** within coherency the proc lands on you".....

[prisma condor]

It's been a month and psyker still gets the god combos for guns unlike veteran

[lyric burrow]

Damn

That things good enough id just keep it anyway lol

[steel flame]

man isnt the casino great?

[near wyvern]

?

[vernal arrow]

Playing more Psyker and maybe I'm too new but it feels like there are actually choices when making feat selections.

Seemed like coming from Zealot, the number of feat combinations were pretty slim but Psyker feats actually feel like you can tinker around and experiment more

[near wyvern]

All columns have at least two viable options yes

The only kinda exception is the second column where you almost always should pick warp unleashed but inner tranquility is used with warp flurry trauma so technically there are two there

[vernal arrow]

Yeah I think that's my most boring column so far since I do just insta lock Unleashed everytime, but there are at least moments where Tranquility is useful.

The Zealot Coherency column is by far the least impactful three feats in a row and it's a shame that a "preacher's" support feats aren't actually very supportive

[burnt maple]

Psyker also plays the most different than the other three classes. And you never need ammo running your force weapons

[vernal arrow]

Always a blessing that I can spam E whenever I open a box and not worry about stealing all the ammo

[steel flame]

Wrack and ruin fits several builds too

Usually gun builds or KB builds

[jovial solstice]

just a quick maybe dumb question about the mk 2 purgatus staff… which attack is the secondary one? the fireball, or the fire stream?😭

[steel flame]

Fire stream is charged secondary

[jovial solstice]

thank you lol

[steel flame]

Void staff is the "fireball"

[jovial solstice]

let me rephrase it because i just fired the weapon and it definitely isn’t a fireball sorry😭
when i left click, a short stream of fire comes out. this is the primary attack, yes? and the charged attack is the secondary?

[kind jay]

yes

[jovial solstice]

okay thank you!

[steel flame]

M1 is good for stuns m2 is all dat saucy fire

[tacit flume]

Damn ive always used inner tranquility, is the warp resistance not as useful as it seems?

[steel flame]

It depends.

Flurry trauma likes it since quelling wipes stacks. Alot of other stuff doesn't really need it

[tropic vigil]

charged secondary for most purposes, the left click can be really useful to stun ragers or poxbursters ect

[jovial solstice]

i don’t use left click enough with it, honestly

[near wyvern]

LMB fires a single puff on a straight line, don't let the visuals confuse you, it's a direct ray that doesn't bend. Applies a single stack of soulblaze on hit per puff, two stacks on crit and has a strong stagger.

RMB is the charged stream that applies soulblaze per second based on your burn roll. Again, critical hits apply two stacks instead. Damage will ramp up high pretty fast but it has lower stagger than LMB.

So TLDR would be LMB for staggers versus ragers, maulers and crushers if you need, RMB for damage versus anything else than crushers and bulwark shields.

[jovial solstice]

i like burning hordes too much

[tropic vigil]

lmb pretty underrated. it is pretty useful but ofc being purgatus its all dependent on being in melee range which is the shitty part

[jovial solstice]

does RMB apply soulblaze too? i forgot about this thing honestly

nvm i didn’t read what you said

[near wyvern]

Seems to be the pattern here

[jovial solstice]

anyways, slightly related, what i’m getting from that is that burn % and cloud radius % are some of the more important modifiers, right?

[burnt maple]

Since we're talking Purgatus, 78% Burn for max stacks. EDIT: 76%

[jovial solstice]

wait 78% is max? or

[near wyvern]

Yes. Damage is not important, same goes for quell speed.

I think it was at 76% you get the 15 stacks

[burnt maple]

Someone will explain it better, I'm just waking up lol

[tropic vigil]

76 iirc

[jovial solstice]

is warp resistance important either?

[burnt maple]

Yes and no, it's not really a huge deal but you don't want it to be a dump stat

[jovial solstice]

omg i have a staff with 76% burn! ive avoided using it since it’s also got only 18% warp resistance and afaik that’s pretty bad

[near wyvern]

@jovial solstice the max current Soulblaze stacks a Purgatus can generat is 15 so there is a soft cap with burn roll at the moment. It really doesn't make a lot difference between a 76% and 80% since the burn application rate is like 0.1 seconds faster (I have not checked but should be something around that magnitude)

[burnt maple]

Yeah, it's 76% for max stacks

[near wyvern]

Yeah 18 is pretty low for warp resist but if you are not lvl 30 don't sweat with stats yet, just know purgatus is the only staff you can use properly as sub 30 lvl

[jovial solstice]

i’m level 30, and ironically i’m only now worrying more about my stats

[burnt maple]

Purg staff is the most lenient, blessings and roll wise

[near wyvern]

Yeah it's easy to get a purge that works

[burnt maple]

30 is when the shop will offered higher rolls so that's fine

And your end of misssion emperor's rewards

[near wyvern]

Even if it doesn't have burn as 76 it will surely do if the total stats are above 300 and none of the important stats (cloud, burn, warp resist) are super low

[jovial solstice]

i would honestly use the uh… i forgot what the lightning staff is named… i would use that one, but it feels so much more awkward to use compared to the purgatus

[near wyvern]

Surge staff. It's a newb trap. To be an effective surge user you have to master Illisi force sword first.

[jovial solstice]

my current staff that i’m upgrading rn, it only has 42% burn, but every other stat is __>__70%

[burnt maple]

Surge Staff, is Okay. There's people here that really like it, etc.

[jovial solstice]

wait i use that sword

[burnt maple]

If you don't already have one, get a Force Sword you like and any rank of the Deflector blessing and bonus points if you can get Slaughterer

Illisi is my preferred sword, but the Deimos is very popular, the Obsuras less so

[jovial solstice]

currently using illisi mk v blaze force sword, so yea. honestly, i forgot to pay attention to the stats of my sword for this whole time 😭

[burnt maple]

Oh and remember you have to face gunners to block bullets with Deflector

Warp Resistance is also the dump stat on the swords

[jovial solstice]

oh, do you need deflector to block bullets? that would make so much sense i’ve been trying to block them fruitlessly for like a month now

my friend kept telling me to block the bullets and i would always say it just doesn’t work this makes so much more sense now😭

[burnt maple]

Yeah, deflector makes you able to block bullets, your regular block is just melee

[jovial solstice]

thank you so much lmao, i’ve been confused

[jovial solstice]

oh yea, the block uses peril right?

[near wyvern]

Illisi stats are not that important if you have slaughterer on it. Funnily enough the warp resist is the stat you don't care about. Some builds even want to have it as low as possible.

[burnt maple]

You can pair it with the Feat that makes you take peril instead of stamina and you can block literally everything short of monstrosities for a super long time

[jovial solstice]

wait does dump stat mean what i think it means

[near wyvern]

Doesn't scale with warp resist of sword

But does scale with max stamina

[burnt maple]

Dump stat means it's okay if that stat is really low

[jovial solstice]

oh i am dumb sorry, i thought dump stat meant you tried to put everything into that

[near wyvern]

Dump as in drop and forget

[jovial solstice]

sorry again lol

[burnt maple]

Lol opposite!

[jovial solstice]

what’s the main stat you want for it then? damage % id imagine?

[burnt maple]

First Target imo

[near wyvern]

All except mobility and warp resist is fine. The main thing with Illisi is that you put Slaughterer on it and it's fine even with crappy stats.

Gameplay using Illisi with Slaughterer

[jovial solstice]

hm, does first target % increase the damage higher than damage % does?

[near wyvern]

Only on the first target hit

[burnt maple]

I like high First Target because you can do a ton of damage with a force charged hard swing on Mutants

[jovial solstice]

i will be looking for slaughterer then

[jovial solstice]

ty, i can see why that would be useful

[burnt maple]

Jousting mutants is a lot of fun and feels super satisfying

[jovial solstice]

i think personally id still value damage % over it a tiny bit tbh

[burnt maple]

I prefer high damage %, you're not wrong

[jovial solstice]

usually my first reaction to seeing anything like a mutant (or really just bigger than me) is to use brain burst

[near wyvern]

Mutants take bonus melee damage, you easily deal more DPS with a melee weapon on it than using BB

They take triple damage from melee

[burnt maple]

Try meleeing them. You can almost one shot then with your feats ands slaughterer going

Or if you take a Deimos, you can one shot them

[jovial solstice]

hm okay, didn’t know that. i’ll probably have to improve my illisi before that becomes viable though.

[near wyvern]

Speaking of mutants and force swords... If you use a Purgatus or Trauma staff which have great horde capabilities, you might want to consider running a Deimos force sword:

https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10?t=36

[jovial solstice]

what is deimos like, better than illisi at

[burnt maple]

You should be okay doing it now. Force Empowering your sword increases its damage by a lot!

[jovial solstice]

i do not have this sword and honestly don’t know what it is i’ve never heard of this one. i don’t pay attention enough to anything but my staves😭

[near wyvern]

Click the link

[jovial solstice]

DAMN

[harsh urchin]

deimos is better at single target, whereas illisi is better for horde management

[burnt maple]

^ this

[harsh urchin]

you want to start slowly easing out of using BB so much

it works well on mutants/dogs/etc in lower difficulty

but as you get to higher difficulty there's fewer circumstances where it makes sense

esp against stuff like mutants

[burnt maple]

Try to get one of each of the staves and just mess around with them. My preferred staves are the Purgatus and Voidstrike but the Surge Staff (lightning) and the Trauma Staff (floor explosion) are all very good with the right playstyles and blessings etc

[jovial solstice]

i think i might use this sword. my main use case for swords is when there’s a few stragglers that i need to kill, secondly when i get surrounded by a ton of enemies and for some reason dont have my ability ready

[burnt maple]

Also!

[jovial solstice]

deimos still has regular swing attack, does it?

[jovial solstice]

probably yea

[burnt maple]

You can block and sidestep dodge out of every situation with your force sword

[harsh urchin]

yes but generally you avoid just spamming LMB

[burnt maple]

Swords give you infinite dodge

[harsh urchin]

the single target combo is L1 -> H2

whereas I believe the H1 has good cleave

[burnt maple]

If situation gets bad, block and sidestep out!

[jovial solstice]

i knew this one, i love mobility a lot

i have been trying to ease into using dodges for more than just moving around the map fast, and actually using it in fights, and it’s really useful the more i get used to it

[burnt maple]

Nice! Just practice, it'll get easier as you get more of a feel for it

[jovial solstice]

i’ve tried them a few times in meat grinder and a few in real games, albeit with pretty bad stats most of the time, but i figured out which ones felt least awkward to use

purgatus stuck the best, surge was a close second. i really really really like the stun that the purgatus does, and the surge doesn’t do the stun in the same way (maybe i just have it set up wrong)

[burnt maple]

Yeah, whatever is comfortable for you to use! As long as you feel good using it etc etc

The stun is okay but, but dead heretics are better than stunned heretics lol

Purgatus is definitely the strongest new user staff and user friendliest

[jovial solstice]

usually i have my friend playing with me, and we have a sorta planned way of doing it. i usually stun a big horde of enemies, and her [and the rest of the team] will go in and kill them all. plus my damage is still generally decent enough to kill enemies for the most part

also the lightning fucks with my already low fps😭 (this isn’t a drastic issue tho)

[burnt maple]

Yeah that's the good thing about the Surge staff, it's good crowd control

Another tip is use your ult freely, it comes back really fast. If you take Kinetic Barrage, the bottom row level 30 talent, you can make quick work of Crusher/Bulwalk/Mauler packs

[jovial solstice]

my ult usually comes into use either when i’m about to explode because i used too much peril, or when i or a teammate gets surrounded and is about to die

is there more use cases than that in practice?

[burnt maple]

Oh yeah, that exploding yourself thing still happens to experienced psykers lol it definitely happed to me yesterday

[jovial solstice]

i think i allow it to happen on purpose to often, based on what you guys have said so far. maybe that’s a less viable strategy than i first thought

[burnt maple]

You can use the knockback to help res a team mate, you can use it offensively on a pack of MAULERS* to position them to crack them with a warp charged heavy swing with your sword, etc etc. Just mess round with it!

[jovial solstice]

oh yea random question, is there anything at all that makes revive speed faster? i’ve struggled with reviving too often

[burnt maple]

There's curios that do but they're generally a waste

Raise Ally Speed, but kind of worthless

[jovial solstice]

alright, i think i might take a look at them anyways. probably won’t end up using them but just in case lol

[burnt maple]

For curios, most of us will recommend Sniper and gunner resistance

[jovial solstice]

thanks for helping me figure out all this stuff btw, i’ll be able to use all this to get better at everything with stats stuff and playstyle and whatnot

[burnt maple]

Then whatever you want, ability speed recovery, toughness regen speed, etc

Oh sure, feel free to ask us anything. Psyker chat is pretty cool

I play often, feel free to ping me if you need another team mate etc etc

[jovial solstice]

i haven’t paid much attention to curios either tbh, i think i have on rn some low level ones that just increase my health a bit. id check but i’m not at my pc lol

[burnt maple]

Really just mess around and get a feel for what you enjoy playing with

[jovial solstice]

yea, i probably need to mess around with everything. i’ve only been messing around with staves and stuff

[burnt maple]

For starting off, I would recommend at least one wound curio and health% for the other two

[jovial solstice]

wound curio?

[burnt maple]

+1 Wound

On your health bar, there's little dividers

[jovial solstice]

OHHH

it adds an extra one?

[burnt maple]

Each one is a "wound"

[jovial solstice]

i always thought that was a class thing. like, ogryns had 5, psykers had 3, etc

[burnt maple]

Yeah, it gives you another chance to raised if your corruption has overtaken it

New ogyrns will have more than 3, experienced Ogryns will have 3, the default lol

[jovial solstice]

i assume it doesn’t actually increase health, but rather, it just allows for more time before you die entirely because of the purple corruption thing yea?

[steel flame]

You get more deaths

[burnt maple]

Yeah, exactly

You can be raised one more time

[jovial solstice]

got it, sounds pretty useful yeah

i don’t fall all that often, so i maybe won’t need it all that bad, but i’m sure it’s better than whatever i have on rn

[steel flame]

I use 1 wound and 2 toughness typically. I play in the danger zone with peril so having a fuckup doesn't instantly put me in the nearly dead zone

[jovial solstice]

i play in the danger zone too. my issue until recently was that my build was not set up well for me to be playing in the danger zone

[burnt maple]

I personally don't like toughness because so much stuff just 0's out your toughness. Like if you touch fire or whatever

[jovial solstice]

(recently being until today)

[burnt maple]

But it's not bad, etc

[jovial solstice]

yea, but i like it cause it regenerates

[burnt maple]

It's definitely not bad, for sure

You can get toughness regen speed on your curios and that helps a lot, too

[steel flame]

If I'm running a high peril I take toughness if I'm running a gun build I take 2 max health

[burnt maple]

I run 3x +health curios and my default health is 255

[jovial solstice]

didn’t know that, gonna strongly consider this

[jovial solstice]

i don’t even know what i run😭

[burnt maple]

I thiiiiink the toughness regen curios stack ? So if you have more it's stronger??? Someone will correct me if I'm wrong

[steel flame]

I put 30% toughness Regen on every curio. It works wonders

[steel flame]

You can have 90% faster toughness Regen speed yes

[jovial solstice]

instant regen

[burnt maple]

I have sniper and/or gunner resist on all my curios, being able to take a sniper round is helpful while still not great lol

[jovial solstice]

usually i just dodge around with my brain burst to kill snipers. it’s super fun too lol

[steel flame]

It only works on coherency since the 3 Regen perks are set Regen speeds but it will make you much tankier

[burnt maple]

I try to as often as I can, but sometimes the game decides it doesn't want to play audio cues and you get surprised blasted

[steel flame]

It has issues not playing cues with pox bursters snipers and trappers

[burnt maple]

And mutants

[steel flame]

And mutants

[burnt maple]

I absolutely hate hearing the BLAARGH!!! And then turning to see a mutant right in the eye

[jovial solstice]

is audio like, super important beyond hearing the cues for dogs and other things like that when they’re coming?

[burnt maple]

it is!

So much that I play with the music almost muted

You can hear the hounds paws and barks as they run towards you

And the mutant footsteps etc etc

They all have unique audio

[steel flame]

It's also louder if said thing is targeting you

[burnt maple]

I'm not sure what the sniper spawn in sound like not sure if they have one

[jovial solstice]

i keep the music pretty quiet too, i lowkey have slight issues with losing comprehension of what is happening when too many inputs are coming in at once (like, audio, music, monsters going blahagahahagga, voice chat from teammates, tons of colors and shit to pay attention to all over my screen, etc) and bc of that i generally keep the master volume decently low. high enough to hear the cues and whatnot, but quiet enough to where i can’t generally hear ingame footsteps too well

[feral verge]

Didn't know this. Neat

You can hear snipers moving around too

[burnt maple]

Yeah it's easy to get overwhelmed, nothing to feel bad over, etc etc

For the longest I didn't know the Bombers sound because I kept thinking it was just a friendly Veteran saying their voice lines. I'm pretty sure they have the same VA

[jovial solstice]

yea, it’s not exactly overwhelmed i think, because i do have issues with that in some other things (not video games generally) and it’s not the exact feeling, it’s more like, if i try to intake so many things at once some of them just stop rendering in my brain or whatever and all the sudden i don’t even know what the objective is lol

[smoky wigeon]

Void STrike staff any good?

[burnt maple]

I definitely understand that, I used to get that earlier, but its less for me now

[jovial solstice]

what doesn’t help is the relatively low fps, and my high fov. i get like 30-45 fps average, which isn’t awful really but it makes it feel kinda slideshow-y

and i play with high fov because low fov gives me motion sickness lol

[near wyvern]

Sniper resist, definitely. Gunner resist, why tho? It doesn't apply to shotgunners and it doesn't apply to regular shooty bois. Only scab & drag gunners and reapers.

[jovial solstice]

hopefully i’ll get better with it sooner or later

[burnt maple]

Voidstrike is very good, try it with Transfer Peril and Warp Flurry

[near wyvern]

This is a must on Psykers regardless of what you run for the blessing

[feral verge]

Gunner resist is useful, but not that important. It's better on zealot

[smoky wigeon]

@burnt maple Would it pair well with the Illisi ?

[burnt maple]

Yup!

[jovial solstice]

my ping also isn’t too great but it’s always bearable. main issue is that the friend i play with is on a server that’s fairly far away from my own, and there’s no good intermediary server (we looked) so one of us has to have like 100+ ping when we play together
stacks with my ping already being not too great off the bat.80-100 ping average, like i’m used to it so it’s not like awful but again i can still feel it

[near wyvern]

I use it on ogryn but not on anyone else.

[burnt maple]

I use the illisi all the time, so all my staves are paired with them

[smoky wigeon]

Is the Illisi for horde clears and stuff?

[burnt maple]

Yeah, but a warped power swing still does a lot of single target damage

[near wyvern]

Yes, it is for horde clears and stuff

[jovial solstice]

oh my god i forgot about this

[burnt maple]

Personally, because there's a boat load of gunners in damnation and reducing chip damage. I wouldn't say it's the best, but it annoys me etc etc

[ornate hamlet]

what dose 10% rending mean ?

bleed equal to 10% of damage done ?

[ornate hamlet]

Ohhh thats great, I tend to get the sword out and do the shuffle for ogryns anyway lol

[near wyvern]

Also fun fact. Rending and Brittleness stack additively, so you can get over 100% base damage but only on targets that take less than base damage in the first place.

Oh you have it there I am blind lol

[burnt maple]

What do you guys have over gunner on your curios? I also play Ogryn so that's probably why I have it tbh lol

[near wyvern]

Toughness regen, sniper resist and then either +toughness or +grim resist if I am doing grim runs or not

Having +toughness on all three is like an extra toughness curio

[burnt maple]

I'm pretty sure I have toughness regen, +ability Regen, and +toughness/health on mine

[jovial solstice]

random final question: … is there any way to unlock perks and blessings 😭

[steel flame]

I still find it annoying we can't have 20%+ toughness curios

[burnt maple]

You have to pray to the omnissiah that you get a reward from the end of missions, upgrade your current inventory for the weapon type you want blessings on, or buy a weapon from Melk or the Armory that has the blessing you want and turn it over to Hadron so she can rebless your future weapons with it. You have to "learn" them

[jovial solstice]

no like, when they have the red lock next to them, can that be removed

[burnt maple]

Nope

[jovial solstice]

😭

[burnt maple]

They said something about it in the most recent developer communications, so who knows

Our current bet is that Hallowette will sell keys for aquilas lol

[steel flame]

They better not

[burnt maple]

I'm joking and really hope not lol

[near wyvern]

They said that they have received our complaints, that's all

[burnt maple]

I fully expect them to announce that, after listening to our voices, and understanding our frustration with this BS slot machine crafting system, they will boldly annouce they'll be changing the locks...colors from red to blue.

[harsh urchin]

I actually kinda like the locks lol

makes each weapon feel unique

and it actually takes some amount of grind to make a weapon

compared to vt2 where a new weapon comes out and it takes like 15 min to craft a perfect one; or 1 day if you have no resources

[burnt maple]

There's no redeeming quality of it not having any bad luck protection. I had to go through like 300k worth of ordo dockets to get a few decent Voidstrike staves from the armory only to have Hadron brick 4 of them. And the one I finally just ended up using still ended up with 69 (nice)% damage

The only good part of crafting is when you can finally stop

[harsh urchin]

I think that what they're missing currently

is a way to slowly push up imperfect weapons towards perfection

at a high cost

[burnt maple]

We've suggested lots of things, even using Diamantine for, literally, anything

[harsh urchin]

so you can eventually push an 80/80/75/75/60 weapon to 80/80/80/80/80 at an expensive cost

[burnt maple]

The 80% thing has always annoyed me

[harsh urchin]

it's to make space for red weapons. but I agree; they should've just made red weapons 125% on release

[burnt maple]

Yeah, I agree with that

[harsh urchin]

but yeah even though the current system sucks

I think there's potential for more longevity and more interesting interactions with the crafting system

(than vt2)

even if the current crafting system isn't quite there yet

[burnt maple]

I get what you mean, I like the idea of having a unique weapon

They should have let us fix, repairs etc any weapon and let us name them. I know there's a mod that lets you rename weapons

[harsh urchin]

Yeah there's a lot of things this game is missing 😛

but the gameplay loop is very fun so has potential

it'll probably be good in 2 years or so

[burnt maple]

This happened with vermintide. But it's pretty dumb that it's happened again

Not sure why they decided "for crafting, let's just take notes from gacha mobile games."

[smoky wigeon]

Doesn't make sense. They don't even sell shit for real money to improve odds

Thank God they don't but usually that's why the system is in place

Also I'd kill for more like rewards. Idfk random cosmetic drops or some bullshit

[harsh urchin]

it's to make you grind

[smoky wigeon]

I don't mind grinding at all

[harsh urchin]

basically looter games like PoE, diablo etc

[smoky wigeon]

Just want more rewards

[harsh urchin]

you grind for RNG chance to get good gear

[smoky wigeon]

I want COSMETICS GIMME THEM

[burnt maple]

I want cosmetics that aren't just recolors and tattered rags. I want to look cool, not homeless

In the grim darkness of the 42nd millennium, there is only war, and 0 laundry machines

They need to find an STC that has a laundrymat on it