psyker-class

[willow hazel]

2/1/1/1/3/2, Shredder + Pinning Fire, and Illisi + Slaughter

[olive ember]

Warp absorption?

I guess with the illisi

[willow hazel]

OP with Illisi and I don't like Essence Harvest

[olive ember]

I mean I just use Quietitude ngl

But I also use KB so

[floral relic]

Hun that’s a weird gun build

Feel like Quietitude is what normal people use

[willow hazel]

I don't generate enough peril for quietude, WU gives more toughness at least how I play

[olive ember]

It’s cuz pinning fire from the autopistol affects soulblaze damage

Yeah it’s personal taste

[willow hazel]

slaughterer also buffs soulblaze

[olive ember]

I prefer the ability to generate toughness if I’m pinned by ranged or some shit via illisi special spam or BB, but getting like 80% toughness back in one swing is pretty cool

[willow hazel]

BB gives pretty similar toughness back with WU

[olive ember]

I mean 10% per kill vs like 9% per BB

Ones a lot more burst

[willow hazel]

15% now since they buffed it

[olive ember]

Did they buff it?

Oh right

[bold tusk]

I've not really got any weapon options since I'm fairly freshly capped

just bought an auto pistol from brunt and got tier 4 inspiring barrage as my first perk on it, but I'm guessing that isn't as good as it sounds. I'm guessing its 50% of the toughness you get from coherency or some bullshit

[olive ember]

Yep

[bold tusk]

and my first illisi has shred and blazing spirit, the latter of which is tier 4

[olive ember]

I mean it’s

Eh

[safe crystal]

If you're low on mats, just buy a grey MG12 lasgun with decent rolls until you can roll for a decent gun. Upgrade it to blue, then roll flak on it, and if you have a spare opening salvo somewhere, put that on it. The gun is good enough to use even at grey on damnation, since most of its blessings are bad and it doesnt really need anything but flak to hit breakpoints (2shot headshot scab gunners, 1 shot bruisers etc)

[bold tusk]

I'll yank them off the weapons when I have better to replace them with

oh thats exactly what I was hoping for

what workhorse do i focus on getting so that I can have something solid to carry me to getting better stuff

thanks

should I go for something similar on the other classes as a starter weapon?

[safe crystal]

Any class with access to MG12 can do the same, pretty much

[bold tusk]

whats special about the illisi

[safe crystal]

Infinite dodges, great horde clear with special, and slaughterer makes it decent even with light attack spam against hordes

[cyan notch]

its a psyker power sword

vapourizes hordes

nukes elites

infinite dodge

[olive ember]

Needs buffs

Doesn’t have power cycler

[bold tusk]

similar to the deimos?

except deimos is single target

though still somehow chunks hordes, just one or two at a time

ayy, got 25% damage vs flak and between the eyes on the blue lasgun

I was willing to settle for any amount of damage vs flak but the first time it came up it was tier 4

[midnight warren]

Bloodlust is fun on both Deimos and illisi if you can keep a chain going. Usually it's overkill AF, but certainly helps down a few elites if you're in a scrappy melee

[spice veldt]

force sword light spam is pretty decent at hordeclear (except the obscurus)

[bold tusk]

melk is selling an illisi with tier 4 slaughterer and deflecter

[midnight warren]

Oh certainly. The +15% power on kill blessing can get into a consistent 1-tap

Slaughterer, fuckin take it as long as the base roll is good enough. That shit is fire

[bold tusk]

352 base roll, I don't know what the baseline damage on it is but its 74% for both damage and first target

[spice veldt]

for the moment, you can mostly ignore the first target stat on the illisi since it currently does not scale the damage of the special (it still affects the normals though)

[bold tusk]

I'mma grab it anyway for the slaughterer. Can yank it off it later

[midnight warren]

If you have the extra melkbucks, it's very likely still a great weapon to have. I would consider your playstyle, but I personally would reroll defector for another offensive blessing

[bold tusk]

its looking like the drop in stats is all in the warp resistance part

cause its very very similar statwise to my 367 illisi

I thought Melks stock was global

like every level 30 psyker will see the same melk stuff for the week?

[midnight warren]

Nah mein fruend, melk is unique to you

But you are correct. T4 Slaughterer is worth the melkcoins

[bold tusk]

will just use the sword straight up for a while

its also got tier 3 on two stats, can't remember what exactly

flak and carapace

I will laugh very hard if I stumbled into a really good roll at melk when I bought it based largely on "that perk has a name I recognise"

[spice veldt]

that's pretty neat to already have flak

[midnight warren]

Keep flak, makes more sense for flak shooters. Anything with carapace armor you should be BBing

[spice veldt]

flak is mostly for scab ragers and scab maulers

[bold tusk]

I thought they had carapace

[spice veldt]

scab maulers have a carapace head

but you usually don't want to smack maulers in the head unless they're alone

[midnight warren]

If you are running Damnation you might want to reroll carapace into +10% Poxwalker dmg or +25% infested

[spice veldt]

since carapace armor has the property of stopping all finite cleave

you'll notice that you can cleave through a mauler and hit other targets when you smack their flak body

but their carapace head immediately ends your swing

I'd roll into +Maniac to kill dreg ragers and mutants

[midnight warren]

A properly specced Illisi is quite literally the OP AF psyker weapon atm. Take a ranged weapon with some, ahem, range.

Also yeah, +Maniac is a good option

[spice veldt]

+10% poxwalker/groaner damage is probably enough to push you into the one-shot range for groaners, but it doesn't change any breakpoints on poxwalkers

+25% infested with t4 unstable power, max t4 slaught stacks, warp unleashed, and 4 warp charges at >60% peril allows you to one-shot poxwalkers with a special-heavy weakspot

[midnight warren]

Only Crushers, Mauler heads, and Reaper shoulder armor is carapace (that I remember)

[safe crystal]

Light attacks on weakspots already 1 hit groaners without the perk, and the entire +trashmobs perk is made pointless after you have max warp charges and 1-2 slaughterer stacks

[spice veldt]

yeah it's useless for lights/heavies

it does push the special-heavy's minimum cleave damage into the oneshot range for bodyshots with other buffs up

aka one-shotting 25+ full hp groaners in a single swing

[bold tusk]

the thing that I've been thinking is carapace this whole time is flak. I've not really been in a position to care about perks until now so this has had no consequences, but I just realised that grey armour I keep mentally thinking of as carapace is flak

are the dregs all pretty much unarmored then?

[thorn cedar]

Yes

All Scabs are Flakked up

[bold tusk]

also you weren't kidding about the MG 12. Fuck me that hits like a truck.

needs a different weapon model to sell it

[thorn cedar]

Only the Dreg Brusiers have Flak (helmet), Gunners (body), and Shotgunners (also body).

[midnight warren]

If you go into The Psykhanium it will tell you the armor class of things you hit

[thorn cedar]

This is better.

https://imgur.io/a/AR0Nxo4

I used to have a link to one with health totals also included but it is lost 😔

[midnight warren]

The Mk12 lasgun is literally the closest thing we have to a sniper atm.

I prefer to Mk4 since it can still do great weakspot damage, gives you better mobility, and is super dooper, fuckin-may-as-well-not-need-ammo-pickups ammo efficiency

[olive ember]

I mean the lucius is closer

[bold tusk]

not as good for spam firing into hordes I guess, but it hits real hard

yeah but you can actually aim the MG 12 at things and have it hit where you point it

[olive ember]

Same with the lucius helbores

And the plasma guns

Mk 12 is closer to a dmr

[bold tusk]

the weapons need better names

called it a marksman lasgun or something

which is how they'd be named in universe too, the rpgs they based the game on would do things like "Kantrael pattern marksmans lasgun" or "Emperors Will heavy laspistol"

a nice blend of origin designations and a useful name

[lethal folio]

https://imgur.com/a/DqmYpV1//layout/grid
That was the most recent one I did.

Monsters will be off now.

[steel flame]

the white on yellow needs to change

that is almost unreadable

[harsh urchin]

Yep the overall info os great

Just the colors are whack

[thorn cedar]

Eyyy thanks for making them and sharing a new one

[agile garden]

Thanks! I did that and replaced it with maniac. It's a great sword but it only has like 68% finesse.

It's really hard moving to the dueling sword after using the illisi and deimos for so long. I find myself very often in a situation with a lot of hoard enemies and just getting pushed back and then overwhelmed. Probably poor positioning and the skill issue on my part.

They should have flipped it around so that the left mouse button was the underhand short range quick throw for grenades and the right mouse button was the long range sniper option that would be more intuitive

[spice veldt]

yeah, the slower hordeclear does put a lot more emphasis on positioning since you can't dps check the horde or no longer have the better push of the force swords

i pretty much always bring purg if I decide to run duelling swords/knife

[near wyvern]

the push attack on the duelling sword has the best cleave if I remember correctly so push and push attack every now and then I guess

[hard breach]

Not perfect siblings but, feel happy enough with this

Might try to switch the 1st perk for something though

[hearty python]

Does anyone know if Warp Flurry affects Rending Shockwave on Trauma staff to increase how fast the rending charges?

@hard breach If you want to, go for Maniac, but you may just want to save the materials for something 360 or 370+

Depends on how much plasteel and diamantine you have

[hard breach]

I could, but frankly i don't see the entire need for max rating weapons, it have served well so far. So i might try to get another one of this but just as a rating upgrade once i have other weapons done. But Maniac sounds good. Thanks!

[spice veldt]

yeah p much only matters for breakpoints

the one breakpoint I'm aware of is one-shotting mutants with a +maniac deimos h2 with 80/80/80 dmg/finesse/first target stats at 75% peril with warp unleashed and 4 warp charges

[hearty python]

Maniac increases damage to a bunch of specials, especially the ones that like to get up close, I'm not sure what the damage difference is between 69% and 80% on H2

And yea, the Mutant stab is what I was thinking about too

[spice veldt]

here's a demo of a deimos h2 at 72% peril; a little more peril and it would be a one-shot https://streamable.com/zftlb9

[hard breach]

hmm let me check

Okay yeah it don't one-shot but it does hella damage

[harsh urchin]

I had a run get smashed yday

cuz 3 ppl couldn't deal with 1 mutant

and I decided to ignore it cuz 3 ppl were dealing with it LOL

[hearty python]

@hard breach yep, H2 is a monster of an attack, and 1-shotting from full is often not necessary since someone shoots it a little

[hard breach]

Yup and due learning that i have yet another way to 1-shot doggos

i usually just catch them in the special attack

[hearty python]

@hard breach yea, no special needed on most things with a H2 face stabbing

[harsh urchin]

you should only really be using special on like crushers

or lone maulers

everything else gets one tapped without special

[polar grail]

Real but with trappers yesterday

at least thats what I presume

[harsh urchin]

I think the biggest predictor is peoples melee ability IMO

because most of the time people fail is because they're unable to handle horde + x

where x is armored, disabler, special, or elite lol

[polar grail]

Cause every time I went to help my downed team the only special that was alive was a trapper and 2-3 grunts or poxwalkers

[harsh urchin]

also when people get too used to just killing trappers instead of learning to dodge them

[polar grail]

It felt so confusing to walk up to them and just nothings there

[harsh urchin]

so in circumstances where you can't kill them

they just get hit

[polar grail]

Yeah

I didint think you could but you can even slide under the net like most guns

[harsh urchin]

ye the slide is op af

you can dodge everything with it

snipers, dogs, trappers

[polar grail]

A swift change to running to the side also has got me out

[harsh urchin]

you can also backdodge slide which is sick af

[polar grail]

but somehow zealots charge doesnt lmao

[spice veldt]

i can't slide under the net at least in the psykanium, but yeah running to the side works pretty well since trappers shoot at where you're currently at, and they don't try to predict your next location like hounds do

[polar grail]

Maybe it glitched then or smth, How'd you make them shoot in the meat grinder tho?

[spice veldt]

the power of mods https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/25

[polar grail]

Can they damage your hp?

[spice veldt]

ye

you can also set yourself to have hp invuln, though you'll need another mod for toughness invuln

[polar grail]

Damn so its just huge tester for everyone

[spice veldt]

the mod has keybinds for regenning your toughness and health; and also from freeing yourself from downed states

yup

it's pretty nice

[polar grail]

Im thinking about starting to level my shadow wizard money gang

[spice veldt]

i endorse this endeavor of playing psyker
abandon all other classes

[polar grail]

Probably not that far

I've made lore for my zealot and ogryn so kinda invested, still gotta do it for my vet and now make psyker

[kind jay]

just make lore that they died

gotta do everything around here

[hollow jolt]

Nemesis force weapons for psyker when?

[twilit flicker]

What is a nemesis force weapon?

[white sky]

Something the Grey Knights have and like, no one else iirc

[hollow jolt]

A very balanced weapon that only grey knights get and there's a thunderhammer version

[raven gate]

it says any faction here tho o.0

[hollow jolt]

My algae farmer psyker will 100% get a Nemesis force weapon UwU

[hollow jolt]

You essentially only see Grey Knights use it though

[raven gate]

makes sense, being psychic power based

[hollow jolt]

Indeed, so my algae farmer should get a Nemesis daemonhammer 😎

[twilit flicker]

Can they talk? Like in anime.

[hollow jolt]

Sadly no, they should make a waifu Nemesis weapon though

[raven gate]

https://tenor.com/view/victor-saltzpyre-gif-22117141

[hollow jolt]

"Uguu~! Paladin-chan we should take down Ku'gath-san~!" -Nemesis forcesword

[raven gate]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-astartes-3d-art-nope-gif-16794679

[upper zephyr]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/383656402159403011/886044286221688842/what.gif

[polar grail]

That

remides me of the one minecraft mod that gave talking weapons and one was just full on innuendos

[raven gate]

lol. did they just copy the sound files from borlderland's moxxie to make the weapon?

[polar grail]

It only talked in text chat, wouldn't know her lines to be able to tell anyways

[raven gate]

basically every other word out of her mouth was an inuendo

[fast badge]

which one should i use? is swapping focused channeling to nexus 4 worth it on the left staff?

[silent coral]

Is warp nexus crit build the meta build for surge staff or is that some meme build?

[ornate hamlet]

You're mostly using it for CC due to how long it takes to kill a lot of stuff

[flint pawn]

As far as I understood it, Warp Nexus for if you want your Surge staff to actually be able to kill some things time to time, and Focused Channelling if the support bot is the life for you

[silent coral]

i thought surge was good vs flak?

[ornate hamlet]

It is, but there's many better alternatives that don't also nuke your ability to kill non-metal stuff

[fast badge]

there's just very little options lol

[ornate hamlet]

You could grab purgatus and have it still be good against flak while being good against a lot else and still providing CC because of suppression

Surge's CC difference is that it can stun stuff that doesn't get suppressed, but depending on the player that can end up being a burster taking two years to explode or even exploding on someone's face

[silent coral]

It should have been a game feature and anything we mark/ping then brain burst targetting should auto lock onto pinged targets first cause i hate that i ping like a crusher then brain burst lock onto some trash add

[willow hazel]

@silent coral Warp Nexus is one of the only two useful blessings for surge so you should just run it

[spice veldt]

yeah, warp nexus is partly a choice by elimination; and while it's not as useful on the RMB, it is decent on the staff's bolt LMB since it is one of the attacks with good crit multipliers

[olive ember]

How dare you

Crit is useful on staff rmb ;-;

It’s good for maulers n crushers atleast

A bit

[karmic reef]

On a purgatus build is warp battery or wildfire more impactful?

[ornate hamlet]

Warp battery means funnier damage

You're spamming the fire on a cone in front of you anyway with little resistance, so might as well just make things that get set on fire die faster

[fluid knot]

Wildfire needs the stack cap removed, to be honest, it needs a rework imo

Instead of being "when enemy dies" it should be after reaching a set stack limit, the blaze is then transferred to the next target

[meager plinth]

what about be a godroll duelling sword?

[fluid knot]

The Illisi

But no in all seriousness i cant tell ya, not really used it all that much. I take knoife if i want super big dodges

[olive ember]

Warp battery 95% of the time

[karmic reef]

Is there any reason to use the dueling sword over the deimos? it seems like deimos does what the dueling sword does but better

[meager plinth]

style factor

[karmic reef]

Oh it looks dope as shit

but can it deal with armored enemies like the deimos?

[meager plinth]

this is what my random roll can do atm

[manic halo]

Yo siblings has anyone else heard the psyker/psyker interactions where you save yourself from exploding by pressing f ?

I’ve only heard it once

I saved myself and my teammate went “are you alright sibling? Your soul went funny there”

[manic halo]

I hope we get another MK of the dueling sword

It’s undoubtedly a cool ass weapon

But force swords shit on it so hard

[fluid knot]

Yeah.. if your ult is ready at the time you're about to go boom that works

There is also a penance for saving yourself from exploding by using the ult, 50 times

[manic halo]

Ay I remember doing that one

I never got the voice line from doing that though

It’s a really infrequent interaction

[steel flame]

god i wish hunting for blessings didnt suck so hard

still trying to get a surge blessing to go on my nexus void

[karmic reef]

Is nexus good on purgatus?

I usually replace it with flurry

rn Ive got flurry and terrifying barrage

[meager plinth]

crits on purg double the application rate of the soulblaze status

so 2 stacks on crit ticks

[karmic reef]

What melee weapon do you think pairs well with voidstrike? Illsi might be nice, but idk if I need more crowd control with void

[feral verge]

i could've gotten the untouchable penance (no damage taken) but fatshark decided to make me crash

[fluid knot]

Illisi is basically BiS

[feral verge]

even when i rejoined, i finished the match with no dmg taken

[fluid knot]

Deimos is also good, but not as flexible

[feral verge]

but because of the crash, i got cucked

[karmic reef]

btw does warp absorption work with voidstrike kills?

[feral verge]

ofc

[spice veldt]

what class were you playing

[feral verge]

psyker

peep the board

i crashed twice

stats look weird cuz scoreboard forgets when you discconect

[spice veldt]

what a shame then

yeah it dumps the information, but it seems to be able to retain the information of players who DC midmatch as long as you yourself stay in it

[feral verge]

yee

weird

that's what i get for playing psyker ig

[spice veldt]

no it is punishment for playing zealot previously

you are learning the wrong lesson

[feral verge]

i knew you were going to say that

[spice veldt]

expect more punishment to come later for your severe misjudgement

[karmic reef]

I might try and cook a psyker build based around brain bursts and mind flayer, I might use guns on it though so I have low enough peril for it to proc more

Mostly to try and make a different build

[steel flame]

pretty much shredder build but different?

[karmic reef]

Yes

[fluid knot]

You can get functionally unlimited brainbursts if you only target specials, take the cooldown skill and quicken

Its gimmicky, but it works

[steel flame]

i mean kinetic barrage does that

with cooldown

[fluid knot]

Not in the same way as Quicken does, but KB is just all round better

Honestly a no brainer pick currently because of how much better it is compared to the other capstones

[karmic reef]

hmm but what about cerebral lacerations?

[steel flame]

once i get my stupid surge blessing on void im going into a quicken based build centered around keeping the m1 spam going forever

[fluid knot]

That'll let you reach the two burst breakpoints on Crushers an Reapers if you also take Warp Battery

[steel flame]

cerebral lacerations is fantastic with flayer

it works wonders with shredder already

[fluid knot]

Eww

[karmic reef]

this is what it looks like rn

[fluid knot]

Ditch Wrack an Ruin

[karmic reef]

Idk what weapons to use on it though, might try a gun on it

but what gun though

[steel flame]

wrack and ruin is fantastic dont listen to them]

[karmic reef]

autopistol?

[fluid knot]

Its not tho

You could have significantly more damage when having peril in place of a small DoT that isnt going to kill anything above a poxie

[steel flame]

with kinetic barrage and and elites in a horde that horde stops existing

beside the other two dont have any benifit for a gun build

[manic halo]

Y’all still using the gun build? 😔 Knife psyker is the new meta bro

[steel flame]

you will not be able to maintain peril to make unleashed worth it and tranquility........well its a gun

[karmic reef]

I might use dueling sword on it so its not warp based at all, but then again the illsi might be nice for up close CC

[fluid knot]

Literally knife is best on Psyker Zealots eat yer hearts out

[fluid knot]

But why would you take a gun that isnt the Agri Inf'

[steel flame]

i use knife AND gun build

[fluid knot]

Thats the only use case imo, an even then you've got like half, if that, of the sustained damage any of the staves give you

[karmic reef]

What gun do y'all think I should use on it

[fluid knot]

Voidstrike

[karmic reef]

I already have a voidstrike build

[steel flame]

i mean....shredder pairs with flayer better than anything else.

recon used to be decent......kinda

now its dumpster fire

[fluid knot]

Shredder is actual cancer

[steel flame]

i wont disagrree with that

i think they need to reduce how much stagger it has

that would pull back pinning without gutting the weapon

[fluid knot]

They need to do something about it

[karmic reef]

auto sounds nice, but I feel like thats every gun psyker build

[steel flame]

laspistol is fun, but very aim intensive and the burn nerf really hurt infernus

[fluid knot]

As long as its powerful, it'll lead people into spamming it into hordes an nah, it aint ammo efficient doing that which hurts the rest of the team

[polar grail]

real

[steel flame]

has great kill times with lacerations and is good for procing flayer

[fluid knot]

Yea. its better on Zealot now tbh, because Ghost, Zealot can really leverage that

[polar grail]

Had a zealot spamming shredder autopistol into god damn everything and eating every ammo box

[steel flame]

auto gun is used by a few people but its just a budget shredder

[polar grail]

like at least go vet so you get more ammo

[steel flame]

it doesnt offer anything new

[karmic delta]

Good morning Psy chatters

[fluid knot]

Autogun is accurate over range

Shredder aint

[steel flame]

yes but have BB for that.

kantreal is still a solid option all around

if a bit boring

[fluid knot]

I mean at that point just play Vet

[steel flame]

well i dont wanna play vet

😛

[fluid knot]

Im not sayin Gunpsyker isnt viable, but its not good

You give up too much

[steel flame]

.......

im not sure how to respond to that

[manic halo]

@fluid knot @steel flame you two are enlightened

Good job

[steel flame]

#revolverbestpsykergunfightme

[fluid knot]

Hey man, i spent a good amount of time with Gunpsyker too, an it just is not as good, it can be fun, but its a big limiter in higher settings compared to the flexibility you have when using a staff

[karmic delta]

Gun psyker? More like Shredder PSyker

[fluid knot]

C'mon now.. Revvy is exclusively a Zealot weapon

[safe crystal]

Nah, revolver is exclusively there to make my shelf of weapons look prettier on every class

[karmic delta]

Now we just need a Psyker Gunslinger

[noble socket]

Give spark'eads shotguns with soublaze special ammo

[fluid knot]

Actually has really crazy good synergy with Indignatus, i was very surprised myself when discovering it how good that combo actually is

[tacit flume]

they just hold the bullets and use the warp to fling em at heretics

[steel flame]

right now shredder is still psykers best ranged weapon. be that because shredder or busted otherwise so we shall just have to agree to disagree

[fluid knot]

But its not.

All the staves out-perform it over the course of a mission

Both in functionality and damage potential

[safe crystal]

Sure, if it dealt any damage and didnt have fucked up damage tables. Goes from bodyshot -> weakspot -> critical -> critical weakspot. Crit weakspot deals less damage than a crit bodyshot

[spice veldt]

depends on the team comp; but I do value the single-target DPS of guns a lot

[steel flame]

you keep saying that but im not getting any reasons for why that is the case

[fluid knot]

Your only limiting factor with staves is your ability to control your peril

[steel flame]

shredder will end up dealing 2-3x as much damage as any staff on psyker by the end of the match, not to mention it can easily match kill counts of AB and trauma builds

[spice veldt]

psyker also has the illisi

[fluid knot]

You're not tied to ammo, you're not nickin that ammo from the actual ranged class leaving him to have to melee a large portion of the mission and you wont clear hordes faster with any firearm than you can with Purge or Void, you have no CC against muties or dogs like Surge Staff and you dont have the splatter effect of pulling Ogryns off your teammates that the Trauma gets.

The ONLY reason shredder is good on the class is because its absurdly overtuned and it still doesnt compete with the staves

[manic halo]

Chain axe psyker when??

[spice veldt]

ranged burst DPS is a nice thing to have nevertheless, especially with the stagger that it has

the shredder and staffs offer different things, and I wouldn't put one over the other

[fluid knot]

Very nice for killing ragers, but equally, the Illisi can do that without expending resources

Or even the Deimos

[steel flame]

that is one of the dumbest things ive ever heard

[spice veldt]

slower and, with the illisi, you'll have to engage with groups of ragers a bit slower if there's more than three and it's not a tight space

and that's without being forced into specific positions to deal damage due to the limited reach of melee

I love my melee, but melee has very real downsides to it, especially in the form of positioning

[fluid knot]

A bit slower yeah, but then equally, you can Ult, put them on the deck an use KB to pop thier noggins, again without expending any major resources

[spice veldt]

and I don't consider ammo that significant of a resource

it is fairly plentiful, you can use melee (where Psyker has illisi), and maps like to hand out ammo crates to you

[fluid knot]

50/50 innit, depends on your team composition an what they bring

[spice veldt]

yeah, there's always that variability with your pub teammates

[lunar hollow]

ammo only really becomes an issue if your team is really bad at aiming or brought actually awful guns

[spice veldt]

but ammo economy isn't that bad, at least in my games

especially when substituting in with melee if conservation is needed

(illisi once again)

[fluid knot]

Bolter vet, Ogg with Stubber an Zealot with Br'auto is one lineup that makes ammo much less plentiful an its not unusual for those classes to bring those weapons

[karmic delta]

Bolter Vets only waste ammo if they're on that 2 round burst mindset. It's actually one of the most ammo efficient weapons in the game.

[lunar hollow]

if ur using those weapons properly and not dumping ammo into hordes randomly theyre rather efficient

[karmic delta]

Its when they 2 round burst the lone Poxwalker and Groaner. Thats where the problem comes in.

[fluid knot]

Yeah, but we (sadly) have to judge by the average, and your typical bolter vet is goddamn abysmal

[polar grail]

Starting my shadow wizard money gang adventures wish me luck

[lunar hollow]

and like if people are dumping ammo into stupid shit like hordes, especially with bolter/brauto/stubber, its fair game to not be nice with ammo pickups and take it for urself

cuz theyre just gonna waste bullets

[karmic delta]

Braced Autoguns are ammo deficient I admit. Even when used by a Vet. But it's also one of the few weapons where shooting into a horde is viable. Not that I recommend it however.

Stubber Ogryns. I know the stereotype surrounding them

[lunar hollow]

brauto is kinda ok if ur trying to keep volley fire up

and dont wanna swap

[fluid knot]

I agree on principle yeah, but in game it dont work like that, i care less about someone being uselss so long as they are at least soaking up some of the aggro, losing people because they couldnt fund their weapons due to someone having taken all the ammo hurts the team more than them being frivoulous with it you feel me?

[lunar hollow]

but magdumping it into hordes is not something u should generally be doing

[lunar hollow]

nope

if i have bad teammates im gonna need more resources to keep them alive

[noble socket]

I rarely run out of ammo when playing br auto on zealot. its my go to to deal with mixed hordes and get the shooters

[lunar hollow]

cuz if u feed them ammo packs and they do fuck all with it thats hurting ur chances of winning

so im gonna take the ammo unless i'm wasting a significant portion of the pack

[fluid knot]

Not as much as them dying an you being on your own it dont

[spice veldt]

it's also not as though zealot has any other improvements on ammo economy if comparing with psyker

i don't get why discussion around the matter of gunpsyker is always framed on the psyker and completely ignores zealot

[lunar hollow]

players who have poor decision-making in regards to ammo usage also normally... aren't that helfpul otherwise

'drawing aggro' does little to help me if all it does is result in someone floortanking repeatedly

[fluid knot]

Zealot has no supporting gimmicks that can take that ammo usage pressure off them, sad as though it is

[steel flame]

i swear to christ darktide I WANT MY SURGE BLESSING. i swear if you give me a 4th blazing spirit nexus void staff ima lose my mind

[lunar hollow]

their supporting gimmick is that they just use melee on most stuff

ur playing shittier vet if u use ranged weapon on zealot constantly

[fluid knot]

Yeah, but they are still a class orientated around having a gun, they're certainly more geared to melee, but not entirely

[steel flame]

GOD DAMIT

[lunar hollow]

probably because psyker has alternatives to bringing a gun and zealot doesn't

[steel flame]

FOUR NEXUS 3 BLAZING SPIRIT VOID STAFFS IN A ROW

ASDaS FASDK JhncaKL:FJhnawsedfk;jhazsedf

[spice veldt]

your screams were silenced 😔

[lunar hollow]

on most stuff

zealot has significantly less ammo issues unless you bring a really shitty melee

caxe/hsword/thammer can handle most situations in the game, with hammer a little less than the other 2 because the TTK on hordes is really long

[fluid knot]

I dont actually think Zealot has any shit melee weapons tbh with you

[lunar hollow]

it most certainly does

achlys and to a lesser extent antax are both just... overshadowed by rashad because of moveset/blessing fuckery

[fluid knot]

It has some somewhat questionable options, but nothing outright bad

[lunar hollow]

all of the devils claws are bad

crusher is absolutely terrible, especially considering its on the class with on-demand access to stuns already

[fluid knot]

Nah, they're actually kinda good because you can have on demand toughness regen easily off them

[fluid knot]

Wat

Crusher is literally THE best support weapon in the game dude.

[lunar hollow]

devils claw is one of the worst melees in the game

crusher is fucking terrible

you're not damaging anything

[fluid knot]

Yeah.. no

[lunar hollow]

you already have stun grenades

[steel flame]

i see the name of the game in psyker chat is Civil War today

[lunar hollow]

unless you let situations get out of control constantly you're not really going to need more stuns than are already available over the course of a game

[spice veldt]

trauma

[fluid knot]

Crusher will let you make a dive on ANYTHING, no other weapon has that

[lunar hollow]

yeah make a dive

[fluid knot]

Trauma is a close second for sure

[lunar hollow]

and then get stuck there for 300 years

because you can't fucking kill enemies

[spice veldt]

nah, I'd put trauma over it

[lunar hollow]

trauma hurts stuff

[fluid knot]

Which doesnt matter because nothing is molesting your team

[spice veldt]

especially since trauma will do proper damage to everything

[lunar hollow]

nothing that's within 15 meters of you

unfortunately stuff spawns all over the map

[spice veldt]

and doesn't have the positional requirements that melee has

[steel flame]

i second this. trauma can do anything and everything

[fluid knot]

"the best CC is killing things" is an actual fallacy pushed by inexperienced players

[spice veldt]

well I'd say I'm pretty experienced

[lunar hollow]

inexperienced

so new to the game

[safe crystal]

Rookie numbers

[fluid knot]

Time does not equate to game knowledge kek

[steel flame]

.....

can i punch im

i feel a deep urge for violence

[karmic delta]

Wait

[lunar hollow]

its a dogshit weapon with a gimmick that relies on other people doing stuff for you

[spice veldt]

have at him

[karmic delta]

are we arguing about Zealot stuff in Psyker chat

YES YES YES

[safe crystal]

This is zealot chat

[lunar hollow]

it requires very little thinking for a reward that is accomplished by a built-in class mechanic

[spice veldt]

be quiet

[safe crystal]

[lunar hollow]

its not like zealot has no alternatives for CC

[karmic delta]

Psyker chat has finally been infected with Vet chat's autism

[noble socket]

its soon be gen chat

[karmic delta]

I have been waiting for this day

[lunar hollow]

you can throw a stun grenade at a particularly irritating group of enemies and them just

kill them

or you can go run over to them with crusher and try to hold them still while other people do it for you

[steel flame]

i miss the days of peace and brainstorming and meme. now there is only war

[lunar hollow]

something that is absolutely NOT guaranteed to happen in a pub

[fluid knot]

Mmmkay, here is an example. A spawn has just shown up at the same time a big ass mixed horde runs around the corner, you can hold that tide back entirely and give your team the space to kill the spawn without interference. Try doing that with anything else, and you wont have the same efficiency.

[lunar hollow]

hsword

caxe

[spice veldt]

trauma

[lunar hollow]

fuck man a thammer has equivalent CC

[safe crystal]

Thammer

[lunar hollow]

you can solo a horde with any of those

[steel flame]

oooo i like naming random things

[lunar hollow]

thammer with slaughterer will keep a horde still

[steel flame]

pisstol

[fluid knot]

Not in the same way

[lunar hollow]

much in the same manner as crusher except it won't push shit so far out of your range you can't hit it

[fluid knot]

Crusher is really damn helpful for a team if you leverage it properly, arguably, the weaker your teammates, the more relevant it becomes too

[steel flame]

.......i want my chat back so i can cry about my terrible crafting luck

[safe crystal]

At least you're not constantly rolling runnerer and gunnerer

[steel flame]

lol

[spice veldt]

having delaying power is nice especially when your teammate is up to part; I still think that trauma is better because you get to do damage and stagger enemies at the same time

[noble socket]

so quell speed is dump stat for staves right?

[karmic delta]

In the Darktide Discord channel. There is only flame wars.

[lunar hollow]

i really don't know what kinda world u live in or if you're just the king of malice or what. but on zealot, in particular, the crusher is really bad. a hsword with the punishment feat will keep a horde at bay, especially if you push

you have stun grenades, which don't even require you to run up to someone to stagger them

[spice veldt]

depends, but yeah quelling speeds are fast enough that it's a 0.5 second difference between 80% and 60% quell speed when quelling from 100% peril

[fluid knot]

Which are limited to three.

[lunar hollow]

and also don't absolutely kneecap your melee damage

not with a nade regen vet (about 50/50 if they run that or bio-optic) or by simply picking up drops

[fluid knot]

Yeah its really not that bad. I suggest spending time with it, its exceptional if you use it correctly

[steel flame]

aight ladies pack it up and go to zealot chat

[lunar hollow]

ive spent time with it

it's fucking awful

devils claw had more killing power than it

[spice veldt]

on trauma, you can afford to dump stat damage since you can reach breakpoints with either warp charges and/or perks/warp unleashed at 60% damage

[fluid knot]

Not really.. but Claw has parry, which is hilariously funny vs ragers

[spice veldt]

and if not running warp flurry, you'll want a high quell speed so that you only need to quell two ticks to get a full charge off

[noble socket]

I'm trying to go wildfire instead of battery

but good to know

[safe crystal]

Voidstrike dump is warp resistance, unless you're running some kind of a variant with no transfer peril on it

[karmic delta]

Its not that good though. Damage wise.

No not damage wise

the parry is just a terrible special

[steel flame]

id say wild fire has limited value on the purge staff outside the biggest of hordes. for gun builds flayer is usually better, but ive found great sucess with it on my blazing trauma build

[noble socket]

yea going for blazing trauma

[fluid knot]

Eh, its mid, its kinda good in horde clear too because you can use it as an option to deal with an incoming hit without needing to dodge or block, very niche, but in instances where you get fully swamped it has some relevance

[spice veldt]

the devil claw parry has the same damage profile as a 3rd light (1.3 cleave)

[steel flame]

this is what i have setup for it. i recommend getting really comfortable with quell canceling while sitting at 90% peril for the entire mission

[fluid knot]

Aye, but its not about dealing cleaving damage, merely a defensive option

[spice veldt]

the only exceptional thing about the devil claw parry is the capped block cost of 1 bar

[steel flame]

i could probably go for a better trauma staff but this is more than good enough

[spice veldt]

but even that is only relevant against certain attacks that do >1 bar of stamina damage, and the devil claw's parry only blocks one hit, which you'll painfully notice against some of rager's multi-hit swing

[fluid knot]

Yeah, exactly why i said its niche 🙂

Its not totally unusable, its just not applicable all the time

[spice veldt]

i wouldn't call that "kinda good" by any measure

[fluid knot]

Eh, i like soloing ragers with it, is funny

[steel flame]

....ok

sadist

[fluid knot]

Yes.

A lot of the off-meta stuff will be problematic if we ever see T6/Hi-shock, but even in T5/Hi-shock a lot of the supposed "bad" weapons are still totally usable without gimping your team

[spice veldt]

yeah, they're not too bad

usually 3-4x slower killspeed at the very worst

[fluid knot]

I wouldnt even say its that severe in most cases tbh with you

Granted using off-meta shit requires you to work with the item a lot more than something like say, the Illisi, but yeah, adaptation is the name of the game anyway

[karmic delta]

Mk4 I think is the best variant

[spice veldt]

illisi clears 20 poxwalkers in ~4 seconds; iirc, a devil claw takes >10 seconds for that

[karmic delta]

Are we being generous here with 10 seconds

[spice veldt]

a little bit

[karmic delta]

I hate when I have a Devil Claw and I have to deal with Dreg Bruisers

[steel flame]

rounding down by alot

[spice veldt]

#zealot-class message

[fluid knot]

Ehh, sometimes, Claw is admittedly only really useful on Zealot with crit build, but half of that is the utility element it provides because large volumes of crits so big uptime on CTS, its not good on Psyker or Vet

Iirc its treated as a knife so has higher base crit chance

[noble socket]

dclaw need an atk speed buff imo. Its a starter weapon that feel too punishing to use compared to the others unlocks after a couple of levels. Never to be seen again in endgame

[karmic delta]

Well. Pointing out the fact the Poxes are standing on each other. I'd say 15 seconds is generous.

[steel flame]

i wanna know why the hell they gave the claw sword a parry and not the god damn duelling saber

[fluid knot]

That is actually super fuckin weird

I need to go back an play with the Duelling Swords more

[noble socket]

claw and pistol would have been cool too. vt2 rapier vibe

[steel flame]

im still waiting for my powerfist plasma pistol combo

it might even make me want to play veteren

and that would be a feat

i cant play vet without falling asleep rn

[karmic delta]

Skill issue

[fluid knot]

Veteran is literally the definition of "skill issue"

[steel flame]

which skill? tolerance for monotany?

i sorely lack that skill

[fluid knot]

[agile garden]

I did not know that thanks!!!

[olive ember]

i mean not like it matters considering how much cleave the other weapons get

cuz funny slaughterer or brutal momentum

[spice veldt]

not just the cleave but also the cleave distribution

[agile garden]

Stamina Regen, on your curio, does it affect the Regen rate of stamina, the time it takes to start regenning stamina again, or both like toughness Regen does?

[spice veldt]

since the push-attack on duelling swords has the same cleave distribution as the goddamn lights

[spice veldt]

unfortunately, it only affects the regen rate

doesn't affect the delay at all

[agile garden]

Darn that sucks

[lethal folio]

Dueling sword push attack keeps strong finesse on target 2/3, giving it a lot more dps if you can hit the double headshot.

[spice veldt]

that's a neat property

[restive slate]

I only recently found out I can trigger Rampage blessing with Duelling sword push attack

[acoustic holly]

Is that ok? Or Burn has to be 80 aswell

[fluid knot]

Ideally you want as high a burn as possible

[spice veldt]

you lose out on some soulblaze application and a stack, but your cloud radius is 80% which is good nuff

[fluid knot]

Quell speed isnt something you'll feel too badly if its the dump, so go for that

[acoustic holly]

Well, it was my 1st craft, for now i want to grab all staves and make them decent

before i start min maxing

I put it all the way through hadron and i probably got it butchered? idk what is good here, im a vet main. No clue about Psykers stuff

What do i change

[fluid knot]

Thats not been butcherd at all, just swap out carapace for flak

Its not perfect, but its more than usable

[acoustic holly]

Oke, Ty

[fluid knot]

o7

[acoustic holly]

Also sword

I would say usable, but i wanna hunt for Deflector

The other perk was +1 stamina unfortunately

[fluid knot]

Thats a fairly good roll too mate tbh. An honestly, Defelctor is super overrated

You're better off with Slaughterer than Defelctor

[acoustic holly]

So what could i put on that

Aight

[fluid knot]

Ideally Slaughterer4 if you have it

[restive slate]

I can proudly say I've graduated from Deflector haha

[acoustic holly]

Naah, not yet

[fluid knot]

Can keep Shred or Uncanny as they both have thier uses

[spice veldt]

I might replace shred with slaughterer

[acoustic holly]

Just got to lv 30 Psyker right now

[fluid knot]

Uncanny has a very funny interaction with armoured targets already on fire

[spice veldt]

since obscurus requires you to cancel its attack chain for the optimal hordeclear combo

which will drop your shred stacks each time you do it

[restive slate]

Oh? Good funny?

[fluid knot]

Yeah very good actually. Its kinda a bug, but if you apply a bunch of burn stacks to a number of carapace or flak enemies and then proc Uncanny, (you only have to proc it offa one target) it will remove armour from all targets currently burning and make the DoT skyrocket

[feral verge]

Swap carapace for flak or crit chance. Swap terrifying barrage for warp Nexus

Terrifying barrage is basically useless

[acoustic holly]

Ok, last 2 questions then, 1 is for Surge staff, what do i want for it and stuff, and 2nd is build related

[feral verge]

All psyker staves suppress the enemy anyway

[fluid knot]

Cant tell you nowt about Surge staff, i despise it

[acoustic holly]

Warp nexus I will try to hunt for it

[feral verge]

Surge is a tool, so don't worry about making the perfect surge. It's just a stun stick. A grey surge is only 10% worse than a legendary min max staff. Right out of the box it will do what you need it to do

It's not for damage

[restive slate]

Sweet, if only I can build a Soulblaze sword that's viable

[feral verge]

With surge staff, you should be meleeing 90% of the time

[fluid knot]

You'd be giving up a lot of damage to have blazing on it, better off just using the purge to apply the DoT

[restive slate]

Yep yep I learnt the hard way

[acoustic holly]

So i can use this one then

[feral verge]

Save surge for elites and specials, sometimes shooter groups. DO NOT use surge on hordes/trash mobs. Waste of time, does no damage and doesn't help you or the team

[acoustic holly]

Is there a trick for using the surge staff? Like do i always charge to max or its just a stun tool and how do i properly do the thing

[feral verge]

As for blessings, they don't matter. But the best ones are warp flurry and warp Nexus

[restive slate]

I pair Surge with Illisi which makes short work of hordes

[feral verge]

Perks, you can go for maniac for muties, flak for shooters, infested for dogs. Doesn't really matter that much

[restive slate]

Fun thing is to peek from a cover, zap and jump back into cover

[spice veldt]

surge is the same stun/stagger-wise regardless of the charge

you charge it when you want damage

[acoustic holly]

[feral verge]

Surge and illisi are a great combo

You can do more damage than zealot's, and take less damage than them

And stun more than they can

[restive slate]

Also can dodge dance around bosses

[acoustic holly]

Carapace for flak?

[feral verge]

The most important overall psyker tip I can give you, is no matter your staff, do not be afraid to melee. The illisi and Deimos force swords are some of the most powerful weapons in the game

And the best, most important part

[restive slate]

I've heard some say Unarmoured to make Surge more viable against them but haven't tried myself

[feral verge]

They have infinite dodges

So you should be literally dodging 24/7, at all times

[spice veldt]

spam dodges at your marriage and funeral

[feral verge]

Do that, and you will take 200 damage on avg, in most games

[acoustic holly]

Illisi is like a power sword for vet right?

[feral verge]

Essentially

[spice veldt]

it has a slightly faster activation, slightly faster swings, better normal attacks, and much better mobility

while the illisi doesn't have power cycler, you can be much more aggressive and out of position unlike a vet

[fluid knot]

The major plus with Illisi is that its a forcesword so you're not punished in the mobility department, the damage output in best case scenario is much the same as a good powersword, but Psword makes you a fuckin slug

[acoustic holly]

bruh, after 150 lvl of vet i got 380 weapon, and here i got it after like 10 rolls

Idk about the rolls tho

[fluid knot]

Thats really good

Like reallllly good

[acoustic holly]

Cant wait for Hadron to butcher it

[spice veldt]

on the Deimos/Obscurus, warp res is the dump stat; but it's very nice to have close to 80/80/80 damage/finesse/first target

[acoustic holly]

Dont have enough plasteel to do it today tho

All i could afford

So basically i want to get warp nexus for staves for now, and for sword i want slaughter

Wonder what the hadron will give me tmrw

For this Sword

What build should i use for Surge staff, and what for a flamethrower one?

[spice veldt]

for surge, you'll want to build around your melee (and perhaps brain burst)

so something like warp unleashed/wrack & ruin and whatever feats that you like for the other feat lines

[acoustic holly]

For now i picked 3/1/2/2/3/3

Probably can make smth better, but i like to focus on Head pop ability with the surge staff i think

[spice veldt]

i run that exact feat selection myself yeah

[acoustic holly]

And for the Flamethrower i have a dilemma

[spice veldt]

the only worry is perhaps running kinetic shield instead of deflection, since you lose out on the ability to revive teammates inside hordes, but that is whatever

[ember hornet]

that's what quicken is for smh

[fluid knot]

Both Quicken and Ascendent Blaze need major buffs/reworks to compete with KB if you ask me aha

[ember hornet]

quicken is just for the funny

with illisi

[acoustic holly]

I picked 1/2/2/2/3/2 but idk.. When i think about it everything sounds nice if u combo it enough, like if i want 6 battery charges, i would have to go for the +4% chance for all kills to generate warp charges no?

[fluid knot]

Nah you dont have to do that, just brainbust until you have six, then you only need to burst the odd thing every now an then to maintain them, which you will be doing anyway

[worthy fractal]

I have this build for the flamethrower that i've been really liking

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9965d67d-8fea-4c4f-b934-92e1968a1c3a/deimos-purgatus-wrack-ruin-war-criminal-sparkhead

[fluid knot]

They fall off one by one too, so its not a case of if you dont keep them up they vanish all together

[worthy fractal]

Wrack and ruin is satisfying af when it's killing things 10 miles away from random stacks

[acoustic holly]

Do i want wildfire or kinetic flayer

[fluid knot]

Warp Battery

[worthy fractal]

wildfire

[ember hornet]

never wildfire

[fluid knot]

wildfire is bad

[worthy fractal]

you guys are nuts

[ember hornet]

it don't work well

[acoustic holly]

I see confusion

[ember hornet]

nah don't use wildfire

it doesn't work like you think

[worthy fractal]

It literally does though

[ember hornet]

it picks the enemy with lowest blaze stacks

so

[spice veldt]

wildfire is not that good because of some bugged, unlisted, and unwanted behavior

[ember hornet]

you get 1 blaze stack from it on a random enemy

[spice veldt]

and with purg, you almost certainly have applied at least 4 stacks to every enemy near you

[worthy fractal]

Oh with those bugs yes it's terrible then.

was unaware

[ember hornet]

yeah lol

[cold geode]

i kinda wish that void had cleave, so it could travel through and hit mutliple targets before fully exploding doing damage along its path

[spice veldt]

the description makes it sound good

[ember hornet]

[spice veldt]

but alas

[worthy fractal]

hope we get more paid for skins to make up for criuppling a literal main talent

[fluid knot]

It does what the fuck?!

[ember hornet]

not this again

[spice veldt]

6 max cleave

[candid lava]

Alright sparkeads, I've questions:

[worthy fractal]

Change maniacs for flak

[candid lava]

first: do I keep the 10% WSD or go for Flakniacs?

ok

that was fast

[ember hornet]

no

no

no

[spice veldt]

nah, swap off weak spot

[candid lava]

no?

[worthy fractal]

kek

[fluid knot]

I would ditch weakspot

[acoustic holly]

Whats the 1st perk for flametrhower then? Even th oits 1st, i have the biggest issues with them

[ember hornet]

weakspot is very bad in this game

[worthy fractal]

weak spot damage is unnecessary

you already blow everything up

[candid lava]

alright, that settles that

[ember hornet]

cause it doesn't work like you think it does either

[worthy fractal]

Flak + Crit chance

[candid lava]

Blessings: should I keep transfer peril? Does it work?

[fluid knot]

Yeah, keep that

[ember hornet]

yes

[mental rock]

yeah weakspot damage is perhaps one of the worst damage perks

[spice veldt]

ye transfer peril is one of the best blessings on voidstrike

[candid lava]

And go for... Nexus?

[acoustic holly]

Sorry, i meant Feat

[worthy fractal]

crazy how bad it is when it should basically just work as "hit head hurt more"

[fluid knot]

I would personally leave blessings as they are

[ember hornet]

warp flurry usually is the recommendation

[spice veldt]

nexus is not that good since crits are only +30% damage

[worthy fractal]

the blessings are literally BIS

[spice veldt]

so 20% crit chance with that is only 6% more damage on average

[worthy fractal]

IV war flurry is all you need

[candid lava]

hmm, alright then

Thank you! Very helpful.

[fluid knot]

Only reason to use Nexus is if doing funny Blazing meme or Surge

[amber abyss]

Is there a pinned huide for blessings/builds?

[ember hornet]

imagine if 10% weakspot actually increased damage 10%

[spice veldt]

unfortunately not

[spice veldt]

you're asking for too much

smh

[worthy fractal]

What next staff going to be

[mental rock]

pygex made a good guide on steam

[fluid knot]

there were a few datamined, but i cant tell you what they were offhand

[mental rock]

he is in the discord often

[fluid knot]

I think one was a shield staff

[mental rock]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959&searchtext=psyker

[worthy fractal]

Best psyker guide on the net currently

[ember hornet]

psyker the better version of shieldgryn

[fluid knot]

Eh, i suspect it will be just as bad

[ember hornet]

oh I'm sure

[fluid knot]

It might be a dome that protects the whole team, but its still gonna have the shield issue of zero DPS

[ember hornet]

but at least a psyker can still do other things

[fluid knot]

Yeah i guess thats true

[ember hornet]

like illisi BB

[fluid knot]

It certainly wont entirely nerf you like shield does for Ogg

[ember hornet]

I mean if people are using surge with illisi

[worthy fractal]

I have a god rolled shield and it's about as good as a green tier zealot weapon

absolute dogshit

[ember hornet]

then it's not like shield would be much worse than surge

[fluid knot]

Yeah thats a fair point actually

[worthy fractal]

Even with playing it properly and not just sitting in a doorway, it's terribad. I have no interest in a shield staff and being shieldcuck for the team

[ember hornet]

lemme find the funny clips

[fluid knot]

Oggy shield is great for helping Psykers get "Malleus" but other than that..

[acoustic holly]

I would like some kind of attack from above staff

[worthy fractal]

That's literally it's only use in the game, for a penance not even for its own class

[acoustic holly]

Probably not a lore accurate

[fluid knot]

Yep

[worthy fractal]

Meteor staff, like the opposite of current trauma?

[acoustic holly]

yea

[ember hornet]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/12hiXeWivxikpo/d1337VYoVLyN?invite=cr-MSxBcFksMTczOTM4NDQ3LA watch til the end lol

[fluid knot]

I still maintain shield would have been better if it was an option to take in teh grenade slot, like a choice between box and shield, at least provided it could be wielded the whole time with both ranged and melee choices

[spice veldt]

op

[worthy fractal]

Very accurate. 90% of my Damnation wipes there is rando shield ogryn doing fucking nothing

[ember hornet]

someone mentioned that originally the rumbler and kickback were supposed to be one weapon

[worthy fractal]

But that would require a good company with more than 6 creative people in it

[fluid knot]

Thats not a surprise

[worthy fractal]

God bless the people that actually worked on the gameplay and Godspeed to them with the managerial class they have to deal with

[ember hornet]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/10u7sPzWu1Xa2o/d1337vkdDzRw?invite=cr-MSxNeHIsMTczOTM4NDQ3LA

[fluid knot]

Yeah i dont think its a matter of a lack of creativity at FS, literally just poor management

[ember hornet]

this clip

is the best clip

[worthy fractal]

Ohh 100%, mimics many of my job experiences

[fluid knot]

Yeah yours an mine both pal

[spice veldt]

😔

[ember hornet]

why though hmm

I just played it in a different channel

[worthy fractal]

what even is medal.tv

some bulgarian streaming platform?

[lunar hollow]

its like tv but for medals

[ember hornet]

try this #zealot-class message

for shield clip

[worthy fractal]

oh sdo like those infomercials where you buy gold when you're meth'd out

gotcha

[spice veldt]

that works

[ember hornet]

it's an easy to use recording tool

and you can just quickly upload clips etc

[flat shadow]

"this video is privacy protected"

[ember hornet]

use the zealot chat link instead

no idea why it's different

but that clip is so funny

ogryn picking someone up, shield stands in front of him, he gets shot over the top of the shield

lmao

[flat shadow]

It's sad

He really meant well

[fluid knot]

Hitbox issue right there

Shield will actually soak up fire for little'uns behind the shield, its been tested, but it wont stop another Ogg gettting domed

[ember hornet]

fatshark did say they were reworking the shield like 3 months ago

[fluid knot]

Well then i hope the rework is a good one

[ember hornet]

watch them just give it a bull butcher and slaughterer

[candid lava]

#NextWeek, pal

[fluid knot]

I mean.. if you could pair it with your choice of melee weapon but sacrifice the special attack to do so that wouldnt actually be a bad decision

It would hurt Paul an Shovel, but nothin else

[ember hornet]

or they could like, make it more unique somehow and buff all the ogryn heavy melee

[fluid knot]

No idea how they could go about that other than giving it a built in auto-taunt mechanic

[restive slate]

I wanna kill a Spawn then do a Thumbs Up animation, is that so much to ask?

[ember hornet]

just shout for the emperor

I have V bound to for the emperor

[restive slate]

How do you do that? I don't see the option

[ember hornet]

there's a for the emperor mod

and then

I modded another mod so I could keybind it

[restive slate]

What's the other mod

[ember hornet]

TagKeys

[restive slate]

I have the For the Emp one already

Ok thankies muaxx

[ember hornet]

but you need my version

[restive slate]

Eh?

[ember hornet]

I modified an existing mod

it's not published

[grizzled jasper]

wtf my own vid

[ember hornet]

there you go, thats the modified version of it

[ember hornet]

yeah idk why this happens sometimes

[grizzled jasper]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/10u7sPzWu1Xa2o/d1337aIdP7g8?invite=cr-MSxpN1YsMTczOTM4NDQ3LA

that one should work

[ember hornet]

[grizzled jasper]

#bringbackshieldryns

i miss them

[ember hornet]

we are maybe gonna have shield psykers

that could be funny

[grizzled jasper]

hell yea

[restive slate]

Deflector??

[ember hornet]

no a shield staff

[restive slate]

I want shield zealot

So you can charge up the shield like Fsword? Haha

[harsh urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/code-lyoko-jeremie-clone-javelin-twirl-gif-17868082

[ember hornet]

lmk if you have any issues with that mod, it should simply add another option for binding the for the emperor voice line to a key

[restive slate]

I'll have to try it after work

[ember hornet]

👍

also it's mind boggling that this isn't built into the game

everything to implement it literally already exists

and it's fully built into the game

just... not available to use

[harsh urchin]

ya this is why

i think the game doesnt need more weapons and classes right now

there's so much basic shit that isn't even working

[fluid knot]

Uhh.. Ogg needs new kit

Way less gear than other classes currently

[spice veldt]

psyker could use a single-target burst DPS staff

the next commslink better have news on that

[harsh urchin]

voidstrike xdd

[worn canopy]

Conflagration pls

[fluid knot]

Thats not a single target weapon

[spice veldt]

voidstrike has absolutely terrible single-target DPS

[harsh urchin]

conflag is already in the game

[fluid knot]

Void is pretty much exclusively a trash clear weapon that with certain setups can kill lower HP specials

[harsh urchin]

ye idk how it's so much worse than the fireball staff

[fluid knot]

Its not designed to be a single target weapon thats why

[thick carbon]

don't you love it when randos grab grims without checking with the team and then you end up wiping soon after?

[fluid knot]

Can't say i really notice someone picking up a grim these days, at least not on most occasions

sometimes if its really early into the game it can be problematic, but not most of the time

[ember hornet]

I'll pick up grims depending on how good the team is or if I'm partied with 1 other good player, but only for contracts really

not in shock though

[lunar hollow]

grims is fun

[fluid knot]

Did they ever fix Grims not improving end of mission reward drop like Script's do?

[lunar hollow]

i like to pick em up in pubs when i wanna try to make people die so i can get progress on rescue penances

[ember hornet]

Idk who knows, emperors gifts are always terrible

[fluid knot]

Mostly, ive had a few solid ones, but they're certainly rare

[harsh urchin]

plot twist, he lets other ppl farm rescue penances off him

[ember hornet]

440 gold recon lasgun

amazing

[fluid knot]

With that attitude it really doesnt seem that unlikely

[thick carbon]

I've gotten some t4 blessings from them

[lunar hollow]

u dont get to 500 rescues by being a team player

[fluid knot]

that what they're mostly for tbh

[ember hornet]

nah he just plays premades a lot these days and they just fuck around cause why not

[lunar hollow]

u gotta manufacture the solo clutch situations

its the only thing that makes me feel alive

[fluid knot]

Remind me to votekick you if i see you in pugs

[lunar hollow]

bro u use crusher i wouldn't stay in a match with u anyways lol

[fluid knot]

Good good

[ember hornet]

most of the time the game isn't hard enough for it to matter

so who cares really

[fluid knot]

I agree with that, but intentionally killing people so you can farm tickboxes is cancer

[ember hornet]

not if they are named

Derpy

and Arcotash

[lunar hollow]

im not really intentionally killing them if im just picking up a grim

like if u cant handle that

u probably shouldnt be here anyways

if u click that mission u run the risk of someone grabbing 1 or 2 of em

[thick carbon]

at least ask beforehand, you walnut

dont be a douche

[lunar hollow]

the question was asked when you selected it

[fluid knot]

Its a mentality thing, if you have the mentality of killing your team because you want a penance, you're a dickhead, simple as really

[lunar hollow]

or if u run quickplay u gotta accept sometimes it happens

[lunar hollow]

thats ok

need those penance points

[ember hornet]

you guys just don't like fun I guess

[lunar hollow]

like if u struggle on damnation to the point u cant handle at least 1 grim thats on u

[fluid knot]

There are very few instances where i want someone dead, and 99.9% of those reasons are Veteran players

[ember hornet]

or some ogryns

[lunar hollow]

i will make people watch me carry them

[ember hornet]

and surge psykers

[lunar hollow]

i require their attention

[fluid knot]

Oggs are an effective bullet spounge which gives them value even if they're bad, 500HP afterall

[ember hornet]

god I can't stand surge psykers that fuck up melee

[lunar hollow]

motherfucking rumbler ogryns taking the big ammo pack when im playing vet and my coherency regen gives them infinite ammo

that shit makes me see red

[thick carbon]

I'm gonna do that on purpose now, just for you

[lunar hollow]

good for u

[ember hornet]

stubber ogryns are worse in my experience

[lunar hollow]

go shit up ur games

[grizzled jasper]

gotta work for them green circles

[ember hornet]

eating 17 ammo packs

[lunar hollow]

slay queen

[ember hornet]

for nothing

[grizzled jasper]

its gonna look so good in a screenshot

[fluid knot]

See thats just weird, Stubber isnt that ammo ineffcient

[lunar hollow]

i just love the people who have 50/50 ratios on ammo used from ammo pack and ammo wasted

[ember hornet]

if I see a rumbler I automatically assume they aren't going to contribute so fuck em

[lunar hollow]

like theyre just fucking laying on the E key

[grizzled jasper]

"ha guis look rumbler ogryn did better than bolter vet ggez"

[lunar hollow]

actually impossible if the bolter vet has a working monitor

but idk

ive seen some goddamn idiots

maybe u could do it

[grizzled jasper]

just gotta charge every ammo

[thick carbon]

most of the idiots use the bolter

fucking cadian vets

[lunar hollow]

you'd be surprised at the even spread of absolutely fucking stupid playhers

theyre all over the place man

every corner

[ember hornet]

which is also like, the strongest weapon in the game lol

[lunar hollow]

every turn

guys with shovel, tac axe, chainsword

all of em ready to eat the crayons

[grizzled jasper]

charge to medicae eat all charges when the vet low HP

[ember hornet]

you sound a bit upset right now josho

[lunar hollow]

blow up flame barrel

[ember hornet]

bad games?

[cosmic sigil]

A good vet never magdump his bolter

[lunar hollow]

life is currently pain

[lunar hollow]

take 1 tick of damage

use medicae

repeat

[ember hornet]

I mean, it's fine to magdump sometimes, it's not like ammo is really an issue

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/xuff4q

here's some force wizard shit

if u could see my face there would be a look of extreme terror once i realized the ticking was also coming from behind me

[cosmic sigil]

Yeah. Okay. If you have time to reload then. Or use sustained.

[ember hornet]

I would probably mix in ADS usually but yeah

[fluid knot]

Hang on just a fucken minute.. Mag dumping a bolter is significantly more costly than an Oggy using a stubber because the pool is so much lower

Thusly they need to fill up more often

[lunar hollow]

bolter is considerably better at making space if u need a revive or smth

[ember hornet]

yes but the vet gets half the ammo back from a magdump and kills everything

[cosmic sigil]

Yep

[lunar hollow]

but u probably shouldnt shoot it into hordes without reason

[ember hornet]

meanwhile stubber just firing away in the corner

[fluid knot]

Doesnt feel that when when in game with one

[ember hornet]

well, find a good bolter vet

it will completely trivialize

the entire game

[fluid knot]

"I need ammo" Motherfuc... youve had all the ammo packs in the level up until now because i been pinging them for ya

[lunar hollow]

the secret to bolter is just dont miss

and everything dies

[thick carbon]

nah, just use plasma. infinitely better than bolter

[ember hornet]

what

bolter is by far the best ranged weapon on vet

[karmic delta]

Represent

[thick carbon]

someone hasnt used plasma OR the helbore it seems

[ember hornet]

someone doesn't know how to use a bolter it seems

[lunar hollow]

ive used both pretty extensively

[karmic delta]

I do actually.

[lunar hollow]

plasma is way more ammo inefficient

except if u only use it to kill ogryn enemies and maulers

[karmic delta]

Bolter's only ammo inefficient if you 2 round burst everything you see.

[lunar hollow]

but even then its slower than bolter

[thick carbon]

sounds like a skill issue

[karmic delta]

Not that I dont understand the joy in it but still

[lunar hollow]

cuz ur DPS is capped by heat/charge time

[ember hornet]

you also can't like, delete 15 elites with a plasma instantly

[noble socket]

somehow 100% accuracy on my ogryn ass even when I try to stay clear of lines of fire

[ember hornet]

and bolter does that

so

[thick carbon]

cant with a bolter either

[lunar hollow]