psyker-class

[frozen osprey]

hey isnt the commodore supposed to update today? where's da new stuff

[analog agate]

Delayed. Due to technical difficulties

[frozen osprey]

bruh

[tender terrace]

i clicked my staff lmb once by mistake, it was awful

[olive ember]

could be worse

AMD users still can't play the game

[tender terrace]

serves them right

[frozen osprey]

lucky lucky me im an nvidia user B-)

[olive ember]

imagine buying an overpriced RTX kekw

4070 same price as last gen and yet still worse unless you use exclusively raytracing

[frozen osprey]

man ill be honest idk what i bought i just use a laptop lmfao

[olive ember]

I'm looking for a GPU upgrade cuz

my shits an AMD equivalent of an RTX 1070

but yeah

shits expensive

RTX 1070 is from like 2017 for reference I guess

[tender terrace]

unlucky

[olive ember]

idk wtf a laptop uses

[tender terrace]

imagine how fast event would be over if the amd users could play

[olive ember]

but yeah I was looking at the RTX 4070 but for like 30$ more I can literally get a top end last gen AMD GPU which is basically 20% ish better unless I use raytracing

[frozen osprey]

magic and hot

[lethal cave]

I'm still rocking an original Gtx 1070 🙏

[olive ember]

AMD RX Vega 56

kekw

its

something

also apparently VRAM is a big thing and the last gen AMD gives 16 GB and the RTX 4070 only 12

[lethal cave]

Yeah VRAM is the thing to look at when getting a new card or comparing them, mostly

[olive ember]

I mean i'm basically coping and going "yeah i'm going to be using this GPU for the next 6 years, so $600 is really just $100 yearly"

[idle aurora]

3060 - 12gb, 3070 - 8gb, nvidia - 🤡

[lethal cave]

the '70' line has so far 50/50 been Best In Series for price or Scummy Nvidia Scam tbh lmao

[olive ember]

idk I remember reading somewhere that the 4070 seems like a "good deal" because of how overpriced the 4080 and 4090 are

until you realize the specs of the 4070 should be more in line with a 4060ti or wte

and then its like "oh wow this is kinda trash"

[lethal cave]

1070s? Fantastic steal of a GPU
RTX 1070s? I've heard mixed things
2070s? Fantastic series
3070s? Overpriced for what you get, not as good as a 3080, not really any better than a 3060
4070s? Overpriced for what you get, not as good as the 4080, not really any significantly better than a 4060

[idle aurora]

I bought 3070 way before the 3060 12 gig update was announced. It's a good card but lol, that's so stupid

[olive ember]

The only thing I'm considering is that

apparently the 4070 has rly good power draw

like 200w or wte

compared to the last gen which has like 350w

but thats literally it

[lethal cave]

It's even worse because in a lot of Nvidia card cases, they have almost all the same VRAM and capabilities but are hardware locked

[olive ember]

do I need a new power supply if I get an AMD vs the shitty 4070

[idle aurora]

depends on current psu

[olive ember]

pretty much

[idle aurora]

If its 700+ you should be good with any older gen card

[raven gate]

WTB 4090 @ 5 ordo dockets

[olive ember]

5 ordo dockets kekw

[red wind]

mfs the mtx shop got next week'd

[runic nest]

So fairly obviously I wanna swap superiority here for something else, but what do I do about the perks?

go for Maniac 4 instead of unyielding?

[graceful eagle]

why not unarmored?

[tender terrace]

your H2 poke gonna delete anything unarmored anyway so would get rid of it

[analog agate]

Unarmored to maniac, definitely

[unique barn]

Deflector worth it on Illisi?

[olive ember]

Depends on the player

[languid cipher]

Depens on the skill

[olive ember]

is 20% more power worth not being able to block bullets basically

Or rending

If you really hate crushers

[frozen osprey]

we finally know what the little tubes psykers wear are.

neat

[steel flame]

Seems on brand for psyker

[steel flame]

Depends on the build

Only blessing illi really wants is slaughterer

The second slot can be whatever you want. Unstable if you want even more overkill, bloodthirsty if you want crits, deflector if you want to be very tanky from range and prevent poke damage. It's very good for aggressive in your face builds since deflector and kinetic deflection shits on shotgunners

[unique barn]

Yeah, used to play Obscurus/Surge, changes a lot with Illisi, completely different style really. I agree deflect doesn't seem so useful

[lilac tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/cease-your-heresy-gif-19891262

we all know what happens to possessed psykers 😄

[steel flame]

Personally I like using my deflector/slaughter illi on my laspistol and purge builds, when I'm not running combat knives

[unique barn]

Liking Illisi/Surge as a carry build, jack of all trades kinda thing.

high trash clear, high CC, high single dmg

[olive ember]

eh I wouldn't recommend surge for carry

[unique barn]

no?

[obtuse moth]

trauma is prolly most jack of all trades

[unique barn]

haven't played in 3-4 months

[obtuse moth]

cc/horde clear and still has range

[olive ember]

Trauma or Purge

[obtuse moth]

otherwise id put purge in there

[olive ember]

Surge is way too constrained

[unique barn]

I mean meleeing with illisi is solid horde clear

[olive ember]

isn't good against unarmoured, isn't good against mixed hordes, if you are last alive even the stunlock is a pain in the ass cuz you can't actually kill the specials you are hitting

like there's been moments where its 2 mutants + horde and I'm last one alive

and if I was running trauma or purge I could've dealth with horde while dodging mutants

[unique barn]

surge is solid vs specials though?

[olive ember]

with surge its like

meh

solid at CC'ing them

not so good at killing them

Its ironic basically

because you need good teammates for surge to shine

[unique barn]

fair

[obtuse moth]

its fine at killing the nondisabling specials and elites imo

not so great at killing hounds or bursters or mutants

[unique barn]

yeah

[olive ember]

flamers its not good at

[unique barn]

any armored shit

[olive ember]

bombers and snipers you aren't normally close enough anyways

and if you are they are squishy so you just melee and they die

[unique barn]

well bb that shit

[obtuse moth]

thats my response to ^ surge good at killing specials

[olive ember]

basically the problems with surge is that its A) not enough damage B) not enough targets

its CC is nice, but you can also CC everything with a purge or a trauma staff

not as well

but

yeah

[obtuse moth]

purge isnt great at pushing the clinky ogryns

the bulwarks die anyway fwiw

[unique barn]

I guess it comes down to what the rest of the group sucks at killing 🙂

[olive ember]

purge can CC everything besides ogryns + mutants, actually im pretty sure it can CC bulwarks and reapers just takes a bit

trauma CC everything besides mutants

[harsh urchin]

well you really don't want to be in a situation where you're reliant on your team for certain type of enemies lol

[olive ember]

so really surge's rly super unique thing is the stunlock CC that works on mutants but yeah

[obtuse moth]

i mean it can cc hounds and bursters, but i never expect a psyker to be able to do it with purge

[olive ember]

I like surge, and it def shines especially in something like hi5s where they are just throwing specials at you

but its def not a carry staff

imo atleast

[unique barn]

ok, good to know

[orchid shadow]

Surge will pop gunners and shotgun easily. For everything else you're using it either to make space or slow the pace down, or using it as a distance closer so that you can get into melee range. Also mutants are going nowhere if you catch them.

[olive ember]

Purge can CC hounds

I'm pretty sure left click can also CC bursters

[obtuse moth]

surges unique thing is it holds it in place, goes through cover, and chains so it can hit spread groups and around walls/corners

[olive ember]

^^ That would be cool if it could hit more than 5 targets

[obtuse moth]

^ i started with saying it can CC those thing

[olive ember]

oh yeah

then again randoms don't know much

i had a guy trying to rmb purge a hound on me after it had already latched on

and i was just like dude either lmb or fucking just hit it off me

what are you doing

legit got hard tilted cuz I lost half my health to hound corruption because garbage teammate

[harsh urchin]

yeah but you fucked up

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

not really

hounds are bullshit

[harsh urchin]

should've not gotten jumped in the first place

[obtuse moth]

/s

[olive ember]

randoms are shit in this game

but then again i don't think I've seen a single coop game where randoms aren't shit

I guess GTFO

[harsh urchin]

i find the people i play with actually quite good lol

they're absolutely awful in 3s and 4s

but the randos i get in 5 highs are usually quite decent

[olive ember]

Eh I get eviscerator zealots so yeah

[harsh urchin]

nothing wrong with evis lol i like that weapon

[lunar hollow]

u fuck my teammate rng every time we play derpy

fucking paul/evis zealots everywhere

[harsh urchin]

it's just not as good as hs

but it's still a fun weapon

[obtuse moth]

damnation players are definitely better than malice and heresy players by a lot, but by the standard of the people frequenting class chats in the discord probably subpar

[orchid shadow]

I find that when your team of randoms need it the most, 5 targets is enough, even if that group of Crushers and Bulwarks and Maulers is 8-10 think. By the time the first 5 are stunned, your next zap is hitting things that are walking by them and now are prime targets.

[pallid smelt]

for me damnation is doable just tedious

[obtuse moth]

5 does nothing in mixed hordes

[olive ember]

lmao why don't you carry harder smh

[obtuse moth]

its fine on roaming packs

[olive ember]

Yeah idk whenever I play with josho I get the shittiest teammates

fucking

useless

[lethal folio]

Voidstrike isn't helping mixed hordes either.

[olive ember]

Voidstrike is a meme thats literally worse than surge

6 cleave omegalul

[lethal folio]

Agree.

[olive ember]

literally outclassed by the illisi

[pallid smelt]

does kinetic deflection block bullets?

[obtuse moth]

but at least voidstrike kills the other stuff..

[harsh urchin]

nope you need the blessing (assuming kd is the perk)

[pallid smelt]

im not crazy but illisi is just better right?

[olive ember]

Illisi is considered the most broke melee weapon in the game rn

on par if not better than a power cycler Psword

[pallid smelt]

sadge, its gonna get nerfed 😦

[olive ember]

probably

[obtuse moth]

compared to obscurus, but deimos still has its own place

[harsh urchin]

deimos being able to one-shot everything is very nice

[olive ember]

i mean you sacrifice bullshit horde clear to be able to 1 shot mutants basically

[lethal folio]

And still have fine hordeclear

[olive ember]

but yeah both are good

[harsh urchin]

and it also has no problems clearing hordes if you just use your hands

[olive ember]

you just lmb spam its just a dueling sword

but with slaughterer

and infinite dodges

[pallid smelt]

i run voidstrike and illisi so hopefully the nerf aint too bad

[lethal folio]

Dueling/catachan wish they had deimos hordeclear.

[olive ember]

catachan which it had either the horde clear or the damage of deimos lmao

it can't do either

[orchid shadow]

True, but you shouldn't be sitting there mindlessly zapping and you'll need to know when poxwalkers are eating your zaps to get in a swing or two.. I find that Surge has way more second to second decision making to do than the other staves, which makes it more fun for me.

[olive ember]

literally only up to normal shooters

it sucks against anything thats stronger than a normal shooter

maybe a gunner

i guess

[obtuse moth]

mixed hordes +s specials and elites is when i most need it

[harsh urchin]

knife is fast though and has a pretty good moveset

[pallid smelt]

vs clears shooters fast tho

[harsh urchin]

i wouldn't discount it entirely

[lethal folio]

fast, no

[olive ember]

Eh

voidstrike clearing shooters is nice

until they spread out

and suddenly you are hitting them one at a time

I forget does voidstrike go through cover for shooters?

[harsh urchin]

i'm pretty sure holding the knife is faster than every other weapon in the game

but feel free to correct me if i'm wrong on that

[olive ember]

it is, but deimos infinite dodge is still faster than sprinting

[pallid smelt]

aoe dependent

[lethal folio]

it doesn't go through cover, but you can aim well above and still get hits

[olive ember]

funny hitbox moment then

but yeah its just

6 cleave fucks it up

[lethal folio]

and worthless explosion

[olive ember]

no CC

no damage

no cleave

its just

kinda bruh

[lethal folio]

doesn't even good suppress.

[harsh urchin]

bring back bolt and beam staff

[pallid smelt]

idk when the surge guy comes up and doesnt kill anyone im feelin pretty good with vs

[obtuse moth]

hitbox is generous enough for voidstriek to hit them in cover

[olive ember]

Yes but the surge staff is a CC staff

[obtuse moth]

doesnt go through though

[olive ember]

surge staff is a CC staff that doesn't do damage

voidstrike is a damage staff that doesn't do damage

[pallid smelt]

idk it does good cc by killing them for me

[olive ember]

but honestly tho all 4 staves are good enough to work in damnation

jsut that objectively speaking voidstrike is

[pallid smelt]

actually no vs is trash pls buff

[olive ember]

well its a meme compared to trauma and purge

and even surge can outclass it in niche circumstances

like crusher and mauler packs

literally just give voidstrike like infinite cleave and it would better imo

like ffs theres already a fucking flame shotgun

thats infinite cleave

[steel flame]

Rude of you to assume I'm anywhere close to par

[steel flame]

Hehe fire trauma better than purge at purge's job

[olive ember]

fire trauma?

I heard its actually p good

[steel flame]

Blazing spirit nexus 4 trauma is ridiculous

[olive ember]

I should prob fish for one tbh

but for now I'm just using the basic bitch flurry + shockwave

[steel flame]

The crazy part is it maxes out at 6 sb stacks and still outclasses purge staff. When your sitting at 90 peril you can keep the 6 stacks going on the entire horde indefinitely

And you dont have the range constraints so you can set the entire horde on fire before they even get to you

Not to mention it's still a trauma staff and minces hordes even without fire.

I prefer quarter charges and half charges for maximum spam since I don't need to inflict max damage to kill everything because the fire will confirm the kills for me

[pallid smelt]

best gun for psycher?

[graceful eagle]

shredder

[pallid smelt]

shredder?

[ashen pilot]

Ius Mk III Shredder Autopistol

[obtuse moth]

you can use void like a budget cc staff if you quellcancel, still trash tier in the relative tier ranking of staves (still makes it useable in hishock5)

[obtuse moth]

oh the blessing can stack two instances and only two? how did we find that out

[harsh urchin]

besides the PF interaction on shredder for psyker, generally people would recommend you go play vet or zealot if you prefer using a gun

[pallid smelt]

oh why the shredder tho?

[harsh urchin]

since they have better support for guns

[olive ember]

because the shredder is a broke piece of shit

thats op af

and literally used on zealot vet and psyker

[obtuse moth]

do you run wildfire?

gunpsyker is fine if you use an ammo efficient gun, you should be mixing gunplay with brainbursts and melee

[graceful eagle]

but you need Pinning Fire and Blaze Away blessings on it

[pallid smelt]

gotcha

[olive ember]

Eh shredder is broke that its one of psyker's meta builds

you don't even need AB

[obtuse moth]

its a completely brokenly strong weapon because of its blessings, ~+150% damage

[olive ember]

I run it with KB and it works just as well

[obtuse moth]

you can get like 70% damage boost in three hits

[harsh urchin]

fyi power does not turn into damage at a 1:1 ratio with %

[pallid smelt]

i personally just hate all the staffs except vs, they just feel clunky to use

so i was looking into guns

[harsh urchin]

power increases your damage, stagger and cleave; but i believe it's at a scaled rate

[obtuse moth]

i used ~ for a reason

[graceful eagle]

after playing few weeks with shredder going back to staffs feels like you handicapped :(

[steel flame]

I do run wildfire and fire trauma gets the most value from it be far with how much range and aoe you have setting stuff on fire

[harsh urchin]

my only issue with shredder is that I feel like I always hog the ammo

and my teammates get none

LOL

[olive ember]

its one of the most ammo efficient guns

tho yeah the urge to hold m1 and spray into hordes is stronk

[harsh urchin]

yeah I think I have a 79% roll

[olive ember]

but technically speaking its like what

[obtuse moth]

if you want to purely use a gun sure, but psyker synergises with guns by having an additional ranged ability that lets you mix gunplay in its own way

[harsh urchin]

well I never spray into hordes lmao that's the thing

[olive ember]

how many bullets to kill a shooter

[harsh urchin]

uh on my zealot is usually like... a short burst idk

[obtuse moth]

its all about playstyle, i can play with many other shredder psykers and while theyre starving for ammo and im pointing out all the ammo drops for them im usually hovering around 70%

[harsh urchin]

i have pf3/ba3 20% flak 25% maniac on that one

[olive ember]

I mean autopistol is literally better on psyker than it is on zealot im pretty sure

save for crushers

but psyker has BB for crushers

[steel flame]

Because I have a mod that shows debuff stacks and blazing on trauma has a 6 sb cap, much like BS 4 on FS caps at 12, except it doesn't say it in the description the blessing

[harsh urchin]

well it's for different purpose lol

[obtuse moth]

i use shredder as a specific tool out of the many psyker has

[olive ember]

not really, you use it same on zealot as you do on psyker

[harsh urchin]

psyker gets the PF interaction, zealot gets 25% more damage unconditional

[olive ember]

just that zealot has that jank armor pen ability that lets it also be used against crushers

??? what 25% damage

[obtuse moth]

oh XD ye i forgot i havent played with burn trauma as much since ive installed the mod, ty

[harsh urchin]

25 talent

[olive ember]

25 talent is melee damage

no one uses executioner

[obtuse moth]

psyker gets warp charges and warp unleashed and lacerations

[olive ember]

thats like trolling

atleast I hope not

[harsh urchin]

wut LOL

don't need melee dmg with a hs

my headtaker3 rampage4 hs literally just murders everything

[obtuse moth]

you don't really need the zealot feat either with pinningfire/blaze away and F

[harsh urchin]

i like having more damage

[obtuse moth]

a shredder murders literally everything

[olive ember]

meh I'm not a zealot main

@lunar hollow @ember hornet reee

one of you guys who has nothing better to do

[lunar hollow]

the fuck do you want this time

[olive ember]

Executioner or Rising conviction

[ashen pilot]

theres alot to it
some nice horde control
alot of damage to spongy targets when you take kinetic flayer and great mobility
Theres a vid called AUTOPISTOL PSYKER : a guide to the wildest gun psyker build on youtube if you need more info
oh almost forgot theres a vid called Autopistol Psyker : an update there too to keep up with the current patch

[lunar hollow]

emperor's executioner is a meme pick

[harsh urchin]

nah it improves the TTK for stuff that is slightly tankier like mutants and flamers

[lunar hollow]

but usable on autopistol

i wouldn't take it

because it requires you to shoot in close range

[harsh urchin]

idk I just dont feel like the melee dmg is useful on hs

[lunar hollow]

but its not absolutely awful as a feat pick

[obtuse moth]

im not sure if you're unaware of what i'm saying or just don't care

[harsh urchin]

have you tried it it's 15 meters which is insane

[pallid smelt]

i just want something to deal with gunners really fast

[harsh urchin]

and then it drops to 12.5% instead of dropping to 0

at the next range breakpoint

[graceful eagle]

do you snipe with autopistol? 15m is a lot

[pallid smelt]

its really the only gap in my kit

[obtuse moth]

you're just taking one side of an argument that can be completely mirrored for the feat you aren't taking

[harsh urchin]

well I've tried both

and i'm saying that one works better for me

[unique barn]

like rifle trash or ogryn?

[harsh urchin]

why are you getting mad that we disagree. it's ok to have difference preferences lol

[obtuse moth]

i'm not mad lol

[pallid smelt]

rifle trash at long distance

[obtuse moth]

you just seemed oblivious to what i was demonstrating

[harsh urchin]

well i probably missed it then

[olive ember]

BB

with KB

[unique barn]

leave it for others imo, or charge/dodge staff

[olive ember]

none of the staffs are particularly good against gunners

[pallid smelt]

i dont like KB

[unique barn]

gunners are the annoying part for psyker

[olive ember]

purge has low range, trauma is high peril + jank aim, surge only hits 2 at a time and meh damage, voidstrike is low damage

I guess autopistol yeah

i guess

or a mk 12

[unique barn]

surge hits more than 2

[olive ember]

it has shit damage falloff

you won't be dealing much damage past the 2nd enemy

[lunar hollow]

the range requirement is counter to what i would rather be doing on zealot

[obtuse moth]

trauma's not that high peril with flurry, warp battery and tranquility

[olive ember]

literally tickling the 3rd 4th and 5th enemy

[lunar hollow]

if im close to something, i'd rather melee it

[olive ember]

If you really hate gunners run the old gun psyker meta which is mk 12

[lunar hollow]

autopistol works further than 15 meters

[olive ember]

but at that point you are discount vet with better stam

[obtuse moth]

its still not amazing damage against specials but seemed fine against dreg shotgunners and gunners

[unique barn]

like if no one can handle gunners in a group, leave. lol.

[lunar hollow]

none of the talents on that tier are that necessary but rising conviction is just kind of always useful unless you play like a fucking discount veteran

[pallid smelt]

doing runs with friends who arent as good

not really fixable

[unique barn]

fair enough

[lunar hollow]

since RC has the longest timer of any +damage feat/blessing

super easy to keep stacked

[unique barn]

Hope they're throwing you some respect 🙂

[harsh urchin]

do you find that you need it though

[pallid smelt]

does the headhunter semi gun 1 shot headshot gunners on 5star?

[harsh urchin]

I find it nice on other weapons, but hs performs the exact same with/without

[lunar hollow]

i've never once thought "man emperor's executioner would've helped there"

like i said

none of those feats are necessary

[olive ember]

Hits breakpoints for hammer atleast, dunno about hsword

I'd imagine it would hit special breakpoints

[lunar hollow]

rising conviction does help hit the 1 tap breakpoint vs crusher

if you don't have marty stacks

[harsh urchin]

i have, for mutants

[unique barn]

How much did they buff TH?

[lunar hollow]

autopistol completely shreds maniac

and like all the good zealot melees do good damage vs mutant

u can run it if u want but it is certainly not the meta option

[harsh urchin]

yep and emperor's makes it shred even faster

ya that's fine with me

i usually dont follow meta anyways unless I also agree with it

i just use whatever feels more effective

[lunar hollow]

good for u

[harsh urchin]

like the autopistol and the braced auto

[lunar hollow]

@olive ember stop fucking pinging me for stupid conversations

[harsh urchin]

which just feels miles ahead every other zealot weapon

[lunar hollow]

i will hurt you

[red wind]

all conversations are stupid if you participate for long enough

[lunar hollow]

all conversations are stupid when im involved

[olive ember]

So why are you blaming me?

[fluid cove]

How are we rolling today? Hadron felt generous and let me finish this. SO close to Godly I will never be able to improve on it

[harsh urchin]

are you hitting any bps with the elite+flak?

[fluid cove]

OS shotgunners

[harsh urchin]

oh nice job lol

now you just need to wait for the patch in 2024 where fatshark adds crafting

so you can optimize all the stats to 80%

[fluid cove]

I used to think Trauma wasn't good, now everything is dead and I can't run anything else. high roll requirement is the only downside to trauma

[red wind]

true...

[viral inlet]

https://youtu.be/sGqkUNa1j1M

[olive ember]

Wrack and ruin

opinion immediately discarded

[viral inlet]

funny thing is the biggest impact is made by the autopistol's blessings
there's two of them that increase your power up to 25+% and then it's just a matter of keeping them up

[olive ember]

yeah

autopistol blessings are broke

prob gonna get nerfed

well

it should get nerfed

[harsh urchin]

eh i think it's probably better for them to buff other blessings

and just add a difficulty 6

like cata in vt

[olive ember]

easier to nerf one blessing than to buff everything

Theres a couple blessings in the game that are broke as shit, specifically BM, Pinning fire, Slaughterer

[latent stirrup]

well you could yeet warp nexus and put warp flurry instead

crit is worthless on trauma

[olive ember]

Crit is trash unless you are running a blazing spirit crit build

at which point you want nexus

but yeah

[fluid cove]

That was the original roll, but for Quietude this is better. at 55% I'm only getting to 4-5stacks if I use my ult to chain charged blasts, and KB demands I BB instead.

[olive ember]

No flurry is definitely better

faster charge means less peril spent

[latent stirrup]

even if you do not chain 5x

[olive ember]

Crit for damage is quite literally useless on trauma

[latent stirrup]

still better

[olive ember]

when you crit

you do like 50 more damage

it is

[latent stirrup]

crits only give you 15% bonus dmg

and you 1 shot trash anyway

[olive ember]

not good

yeah

flurry means faster charge which means less peril spent charging

[river sand]

crit + flurry is ok, cause the second blessing doesnt matter at all

[olive ember]

its a double benefit of more peril efficient and more

[river sand]

a purple staff with only flurry is as good

[olive ember]

we are talking about this staff

[river sand]

yeah i know, just wanna say flurry is the only really relevant blessing for trauma

[olive ember]

pretty much

well

depends on the build

[river sand]

crit + blazing is funny but not as good

[olive ember]

if you are going for normal build its flurry + rending shockwave

which doesn't seem that good but it genuinely helps deal with crushers since your teammates actually do damage to it no matter what garbage they are using

but blazing spirit + crit apparently is rly good

[river sand]

its not bad but not as good as flurry

[olive ember]

idk I've heard from multiple people that it's good enough to be meta

I haven't tried it myself though but yeah

[river sand]

inner tranq + flurry + 6 stacks and let em fly forever

[olive ember]

You run inner tranq?

I assume warp unleashed all the way

Ig for trauma both work

due to high peril costs

[river sand]

with IT you can chain soooo many attacks

without you barely get to 5 stacks flurry

[olive ember]

Blazing spirit lets you burn away hordes, and i think its one of the few applications where wildfire is actually decent

basically a purge build

[fluid cove]

Inner Trang is good with flurry build, but you can't hit OS on shotgunners with it, so I need unleashed. I might chase another Trauma staff with High WR and quell speed for a CC Trauma build

[olive ember]

but with a trauma staff

[river sand]

i run WU with blazing crit

[obtuse moth]

tranquility works really well for trauma since at that point you can maintain peril levels just by killing horde

not having to manually quell means you can just keep flurry 5 rolling

[river sand]

yeah in dense hordes you can just cast forever with IT

but i have to confess its an incredibly boring playstyle

[fluid cove]

Makes me wish for endless hordes mission modifiers

[olive ember]

I do wanna see how well a Blazing Crit trauma staff works with a purge build

except with wildfire

so wildfire + AB

wanna see how strong the burn is

[obtuse moth]

wildfire ab blazing trauma works pretty well

[river sand]

if they fix wildire maybe

[obtuse moth]

nah it works with trauma since the stacks are lower than purge and rng driven

[olive ember]

I mean for the most part wildfire would be unaffected by a blazing crit build sine yeah

you only get like 4 stacks per crit

[obtuse moth]

3

[olive ember]

is it 3?

well same thing I suppose

[obtuse moth]

i think, i can check

annoying how there is no t4 blazing for staves where its actually useful

[olive ember]

🤔

[obtuse moth]

for blazing spirit wildfire you roll for a proc on elites or horde depending on aim then press AB and watch the world burn (and keep spamming your staff)

[olive ember]

oh right

blazing spirit on force swords can give 4 stacks of burn

thats what I was mixing it up with

[wary sphinx]

umm, what do I gain by this?

[lunar hollow]

crit chance

[wary sphinx]

cheers

[olive ember]

Wait

did they change it back to nexus?

I just realized

its no longer what the fuck is iit called

perils of the warp?

[obtuse moth]

Harnessing the Warp?

[olive ember]

ah right

they changed it back

but forgot to fix the description to mention crit chance

amazing

[ember hornet]

they had fixed the description

and then unfixed it

[ionic frost]

Good thing they have nothing to do with the medical industry. They'd kill people.

"Sorry, the units were supposed to be in milliliters, but the output said centiliters.

[steel flame]

Man blazing nexus trauma is probably the best trauma there is right now.

[sleek lynx]

dumb question but what do i gain from this? 2-8% damage?

[ember hornet]

you just become more based

it's crit

[sleek lynx]

oh okay ty!

[tropic vigil]

i finally found a slaughterer iv, should i just use this one or harvest slaughter?

i have unstable power iv or deflector iv i can put onto it

[ember hornet]

I would use that one with unstable or deflector

and sprint efficiency to flak

and then you can find a better one later with 2 good perks

[tropic vigil]

once slaughterer is locke,d i can still pull the blessing from it right?

[ember hornet]

I am 99% sure you can

[tropic vigil]

ill find out with another wep

i think i can

[ember hornet]

yeah safest bet

[tropic vigil]

but im just glad i finally got slaughterer iv

had to spam 4 uprisings

to clear contracts

[ember hornet]

yeah that thing will slap

[tropic vigil]

actually

should i just harvest it and put it onto this sword instead?

not sure how often executor procs

if worth saving

[ember hornet]

I think executor is gonna be overall worse than unstable for sure

[tropic vigil]

ill just stick to the first one then

ok

you can pull locked blessings

[ember hornet]

was pretty sure you could but didn't want to screw you up on accident

[tropic vigil]

yeah

better safe than sorry

[feral verge]

Unstable is awesome

[ember hornet]

tfw all of chat is gaslighting and unstable is actually 1% per stack

trust me I tested it and did the math

[tropic vigil]

feelsbad

[feral verge]

Lmao don't remind me of that guy

[ember hornet]

I have the screenshots saved somewhere lol

[feral verge]

Lmfao

Hopefully tomorrow the amd shit is fixed

I got home a little earlier than usual, was hoping to play

Got disappointed again

[ember hornet]

I can't believe they fucked up the premium cosmetics too

[feral verge]

😔

Knowing my luck they'll fix it tomorrow, but I'll get home late

[tropic vigil]

sword finished

[ember hornet]

very nice

go forth and slay

[tropic vigil]

i shall slay dinner

cuz i gotta make that now

[ember hornet]

here's dinner

[sick hatch]

I saw a psyker using a flamethrower staff, is this good? Because it looks really cool and I want it.

[feral verge]

It's really good

My main build uses that staff

[ember hornet]

purgatus is good yeah

[sick hatch]

Brilliant! It looks amazing! Very magical.

[tropic vigil]

ketchup would make the pasta too spicy for my tastes

[sick hatch]

Never knew how much I needed to see witchfire burn hordes of enemies

[feral verge]

This is my build @sick hatch

[tropic vigil]

and yea purgatus is most fun.

[feral verge]

650 hours. I only play damnation. It's very strong

[ember hornet]

I like trauma and void myself

I have holy flame

[tropic vigil]

having both warp flurry and warp nexus iv on purgatus feels amazing

[feral verge]

I stay at 80-100% peril almost all of the time

[ember hornet]

this is the way

[feral verge]

High peril is for more damage and more crits (with blessings/ traits)

[ember hornet]

and those sweet illisi one shots

[sick hatch]

Oooooo looks fun!

[feral verge]

Tip: dot damage (like soul blaze witch fire) is affected by the blessings in your melee weapon. So you can use the purgatus staff (or ascendant blaze, which is the fire ultimate ability) with 2 or so gusts on a horde

Then swap to your force sword (with slaughterer on it hopefully)

And your flames + melee will do even more damage

[sick hatch]

Ooooo good to know!

Thanks!

I’m really low level on psyker, nowhere near damnation!

[feral verge]

If youve noticed my sword, it has low warp resistance. That is a feature, not a hindrance. It allows me to rapidly gain peril for more damage

I figured

[ember hornet]

that's how I like it too

[feral verge]

Keep on asking questions. Pretty much everyone here is really helpful

I didn't really become 'good' at the game until I spent a lot of time here, picking people's brains

[sick hatch]

Yeah I gotta say Psykers seem to be the most friendly players lol

[tropic vigil]

same

theres a decent amount of stuff that can be technical and the best place to learn is here i learned a lot

[sick hatch]

Atm I play Zealot because the amount of dopamine I get sawing mutants in half with a chain sword is amazing. But popping heads and burning people with warp fire seems super fun!

[feral verge]

The biggest overall advice I can give is to dodge. The psyker force swords all have infinite dodges. I cannot recommend enough that you use and abuse the hell out of that ability

[tropic vigil]

chainsword is iconic. i wish it were stronger but i dont see many people using it sadly

[feral verge]

Since I've started really using the dodges, I now only take 200 or less damage in a game on average

Whereas before I was taking idk 500-700~

You can really become almost untouchable

[ember hornet]

if I don't take damage I simply play stupider

[sick hatch]

Oh wow infinite dodges? Heck yeah!

[feral verge]

Yeah

I have the dodge button bound to spacebar

Jump on the alt key

There are a few people here that use that same setup

If you feel like you're dodging too much, or you feel like you look like you're on crack, that's a good sign

You can also crouch while dodging to perform a dodge-slide. It extends your dodge distance just a bit further

It's useful when you're quelling peril, and an enemy is getting too close to you

Another tip: alot of enemies have a running attack that will hit you, even if you're dodging straight backwards. To prevent that, dodge slide diagonally backwards

[sick hatch]

Okay brilliant, this is all super helpful thanks :)

I’ve gotta go sleep now tho but you’ve been amazing help 👍

[feral verge]

You're very welcome. @near wyvern and @spice veldt are also very helpful and know a lot about being a good psyker

[echo turtle]

Did purgatus get toned down? I gave it a go today and I feel like it used to slap harder

[cold geode]

yes

[echo turtle]

What did they do to my boy?!

just less damage or wht

It still staggers and supresses well with primary fire right?

[feral verge]

Yee

Afaik the only thing that was changed was damage to flak armor

It used to be 2x

Then it was 1x I believe

Then, they changed it to 1.50x

I could be wrong about those numbers

But it used to do 2x DMG to flak back in the day

[echo turtle]

Yeah it used to shred specialists I recall

now, it did seem to
still decent

I was using it to close distance then switch to the illisi, my current staff is pretty godly but I want to try a run and gun

this one has warp flurry and nexus tho, I don’t want to give up either

I suppose, The purgatus doesn’t really need flurry does it?

[tropic vigil]

i couldnt imagine my purgatus without flurry though im not sure its essential.

extremely useful

isnt there something wrong with ab again though?

not sure if that was confirmed

also, are the inspect weapon animations, is that a mod? im not sure how to perform them.

[echo turtle]

really? I pretty seldom need multiple charging cycles

overall Flurry is dope, I enjoy it immensely on the surge staff

warp nexus is too important to drop for the increase in damage it provides

Hopefully flurry is not locked or I have to make a new staff lol

and this one is almost perfect

[tropic vigil]

in a premade or if you played a little more carefully you can probably forgo flurry, but as a solo player flurry lets me just do much more confidently without having to trust my team too much

[echo turtle]

I always solo

[echo turtle]

I’ll mess around a bit more on Hi intensity

[tropic vigil]

super useful on high intensity.

[echo turtle]

I played a regular match and never needed more than a single full charhe

I play very aggressively, hence considering run and gun

[tropic vigil]

if you get paired with another purgatus or surge pysker it can be a little overkill, or in anything below damnation it might be overkill.

[echo turtle]

I’ll mess around with it

[tropic vigil]

i dont see any flamer zealots anymore

[echo turtle]

Now and then I see them

the broken interaction with thier ult is gone now right?

That made the flamer into the will of the god emperor himself

[tropic vigil]

not sure. i wasnt aware of any bugs for them but i know they nerfed the flamer a while back a decent amount

[echo turtle]

If you triggered the ult the flamer your dots, any ranged weapon got 100% armor@peircing

so you could hose down a group of crushers and shit, trigger the ult and kill the whole@room

it was absurd

[tropic vigil]

sounds busted asf

[echo turtle]

it was

you could trigger the ult and drop crushers with an autogun

I figured they must hve removed that

that would tone down the flamers lol

[tropic vigil]

i just remember at some point if you saw a zealot with a flamer you basically didnt have to do anything minus bb specials

[echo turtle]

naw it still works

just asked in zealot chat

it downgrades the armor, so carapace is treated as flak

[tropic vigil]

i just loaded a match and ofc there is the zealot with a flamer now

[echo turtle]

lol

They’re out there

[cyan notch]

its intended by devs even

[fallow dawn]

whats that ?

[orchid shadow]

Besides kinda useless? 😛 It does what it says, but it's only available on Void and Trauma, and on Trauma it only works with left click.

[tropic vigil]

and on void its just ass. you wont even notice it in a real match

[orchid shadow]

Put it on the Surge staff, Fatshark! How is it not on that staff??

[deft hornet]

Can someone explain the difference in Force Swords to me?

[frozen osprey]

illisi -> sweeping attacks, special adds more cleave and damage
obscurus -> bit of sweeping, bit of thrusting, special does a ton of damage to one enemy
deimos -> mostly thrusting, high single target damage

[deft hornet]

THnk you!

[glass oriole]

*obscurus = trash

[frozen osprey]

basically use illisi if u want crowd control use deimos if u wanna annoy elites

[glass oriole]

obscurus and deimos's special attack deals same damage if they have same modifire and blessings... etc

but deimos strong poking attack deal tons of damage, you can one shot mutator

[cosmic sigil]

It still works like that.

They just reduce the DMG per enemy types and nerf the dots against flak too

But you can still burn an entire room of crusher with one canister and 1 or 2 chastise

(if you have at least 76 burn)

[harsh urchin]

the problem is when your vet dies and a sniper spawns

and you are flamer zealot

[cosmic sigil]

The only real nerf is the ammo... I played the flamer before and after the nerf. That's the only thing I felt nerfed. Now you have to use your busted BM caxe or hsword more 😄

[cosmic sigil]

Yeah...

[harsh urchin]

that actually happened to me like 3 times in a row

[cosmic sigil]

That fucking sucks a lot

[harsh urchin]

and then i stopped using it LOL

only use the braced auto and autopis now

[cosmic sigil]

I mostly use the flamer when cc is needed (if I'm in an premade) or just for assassination mission

The number of time the run was failed because half the team didn't know you have to melee the shield... At least the flamer takes care of it really fast.

[tidal scaffold]

how arre these? the staffs perks and and run n gun arnet good i think

oh deimos and voidstrike

wait, ugh, it cut off

you can see them if you click on them, thats weird

[olive ember]

Btw

did the stupid sprint and channeling cancel bullshit get acknowledged atleast

[tidal scaffold]

are you sure its not intended?

[spice veldt]

flamer zealots prob got mostly replaced by no respite kantrael zealots

[olive ember]

If it is then its jank as shit

if you hold rmb and sprint it just cancels both

if you drop off a ledge or wte while sprinting you can't channel until you hit the ground

[olive ember]

all the zealots claim its because the flamer is boring but in reality its because the shotgun does the same thing but with infinite range

[spice veldt]

the code change was intentional but the consequence of it might not have been

[olive ember]

^^ pretty much this

most likely the "bugfix" for "sprinting affecting the fire rate of certain weapons"

So basically the same bullshit as the global flak dmg nerf

again

Infernus is still like literally useless lmao

[spice veldt]

if it was intentional, then it would be extremely sad given that all of our staffs having charging secondaries and basically no aggressiveness during long corridors

but yeah the wonky interaction with sprint cancelling your cast makes it seem as an unintended consequence

I'm relatively hopeful

[echo turtle]

I am loving this build

It is so fun, and just rewards maximum aggression

[olive ember]

Kinetic Shield User

[echo turtle]

KS is for chads

[olive ember]

[echo turtle]

I dont need to block with perils, the stam is more than enough

and this is a melee focused build

that sword can get up to 149% extra power

and heals 20% toughness on each kill with a charged attack

feels good man

FYI KS when you stack gunner and sniper resist is baller

I could see mind in motion fo someone was doing a staff spam quietitude build

[spice veldt]

though in the case of sniper res you won't be able to get enough dr to absorb it with your toughness

[echo turtle]

it takes 3 sniper shots to down me usually

so long as I can regen

I can take two back to back I am pretty sure without issue

[spice veldt]

sniper shots dump their full damage into your HP if your toughness breaks

[echo turtle]

the toughness I dont think even breaks on the first shot

[spice veldt]

either your toughness fully absorbs it, or you take full hp damage

unless they made a stealth change to it

[harsh urchin]

do you know how power% scales

[spice veldt]

time to check

[echo turtle]

I think snipers will deal some damage thru the toughness?

[harsh urchin]

is it linear?

[spice veldt]

power stacks additively

[echo turtle]

I dunno how it all works with the feats

100% power from the weapon itself

then 49% from feats

[spice veldt]

so 75% + 20% = 95%

you get damage from feats, not power

and damage is calculated multiplicatively with power

[echo turtle]

the 49 is just damage, I dunno if thats additive or multiplicative or what

[harsh urchin]

yeah they do; they have a very high toughness multiplier so they'll almost always break toughness

[echo turtle]

Multiplicatively? hot dog!

[harsh urchin]

correct but do you know the formula for power?

[spice veldt]

122.5 damage on damnation and 10x toughness damage

[harsh urchin]

how much damage roughly is 50%

[echo turtle]

I have definitely taken two sniper shots in a row and lived

[spice veldt]

power is just damage, cleave, and stagger

[echo turtle]

I have like, base 55% DR to snipes before the shield atm

[harsh urchin]

right, but how much do you get

from 50% vs 100% as an example

[echo turtle]

I havent tested it in the creature spawner

I just know i survive

[harsh urchin]

i don't believe it's direct afaik

[echo turtle]

a lot more than I otherwise would

[spice veldt]

so (1 +0.75 + 0.2) * ( 1 + 0.24 + 0.25)

[echo turtle]

so good

SO GOOOD

[harsh urchin]

i dont believe it's direct ie: 50% power = 50% damage, i think it's a different formula

[echo turtle]

the sword feels amazing with the build

[harsh urchin]

but i dont know what it is

[spice veldt]

50% power is indeed 50% damage

[echo turtle]

50% power is 50% damage

or it was

[harsh urchin]

oh is it?

[spice veldt]

it's just also 50% cleave and 50% stagger as well

[echo turtle]

so, this sword can do 3x the normal damage

with this build

[spice veldt]

yeah p much

[echo turtle]

also, fire dots keep slaughterer up

and killing heals you with absorption

it's a gnarly build

just cleared T5 with it pretty easily

only took damage when I made butter finger misplays

still relearning the game a bit

but this works

run and gun on the flame staff btw is fantastic if you like to close distance

you really need a high cloud roll though, or you'll get shot which sucks when sprinting

cant remember who reccomended pairing AB with the Illisi but thanks

[spice veldt]

sniper res stacks multiplicatively; so instead of taking 1 - (0.2 + 0.2 + 0.15) = 45% damage as you would expect from linear stacking, you would take (1 - 0.2) * (1 - 0.2) * (1 - 0.15) = 54% damage from the sniper shot

[echo turtle]

then KS on top of that

[tender terrace]

so you have a sword and a staff that kinda do the same thing and not pairing AB with wildfire

[echo turtle]

with our small health and toughness pool, that DR helps a looooooooot

[spice veldt]

kinetic shield is only for toughness, and snipers will dump their full damage onto your health if your toughness isn't able to block it

[echo turtle]

no wildifre no

I would lose 8% damage and the critical T5 threshold of killing chaff

it's just not worth

[spice veldt]

wildfire has a bunch of bugged behavior and has a hidden trait of not targeting enemies that already have 4 or more soulblaze stacks

it also attempts to distribute the soulblaze stacks from one enemy as evenly as possible

if there are 4 enemies, then each of these four enemies will gain 1 soulblaze stack instead of one enemy receiving 4 soulblaze stacks

[echo turtle]

weak

[spice veldt]

which works against the exponential nature of soulblaze damage

[echo turtle]

battery is critical though

and, the KS also works in melee

you really need the durability

[echo turtle]

yeah, wildfire could be good but it's just not

it would be OK on heresy

or if the upped it to a limit of 6 instead of 4

maybe

[spice veldt]

and purg just being a monster at spreading soulblaze already

[echo turtle]

battery though is just really really good

yeah, spreading SB isn't an issue

and considering the damage bonus is multiplicative with power

and the weapon has huge power boosts, you want all the + damage you can get

especially as the sword ALSO makes the dots stronger

[spice veldt]

just checked in the meatgrinder; the sniper still does the same amount of damage to your health regardless of your toughness

[echo turtle]

yeah I thought so!

[spice veldt]

you'll need to somehow achieve 1225 effective toughness to fully block a sniper's shot

which is only a privilege reserved for veterans

[echo turtle]

but you take less of both damage with all the DR

which is important

[spice veldt]

yeah kinetic shield is nice

[echo turtle]

as is Sniper resistance curios

[spice veldt]

I'm currently running 3 toughness with kinetic shield

[echo turtle]

nice

I am 2 and 1 just as I cant get a third toughness curio with both sniper and gunner resist

I am aiming for sniper gunner and toughness regen speed

[tender terrace]

what language is this even t5 threshold

[echo turtle]

you need 6 charges of warp battery in damnation

T5 = damnation

the 6 charge threshold is what you need to effectively use your ult in T5

[tender terrace]

i have no idea what you are trying to communicate lmao

[echo turtle]

dont worry abouit it

[tender terrace]

for sure

[echo turtle]

if you play the highest difficulty and are running soul blaze, always take warp battery

trust

[echo turtle]

what kind of amulets and shit you fuck with these days?

[spice veldt]

stam regen, toughness regen speed, and +toughness (perk) is what I'm running on my curios

[echo turtle]

stam regen?

[spice veldt]

yeah I spend quite some time in melee

[echo turtle]

whats the rational there?

[spice veldt]

for pushing and not having to focus on my stamina as much

since I spam dodges a lot

[echo turtle]

word

I dodge 100% of the time wth the fs

[spice veldt]

though I've been somewhat considering combat ability regen instead of stamina regen

[echo turtle]

I think CDR is kind of me

12% is like, eh

and thats perfect rollls

[spice veldt]

yeah its only 3.6 seconds at best

[echo turtle]

meh*

yeah

toughness regen is gold

[spice veldt]

it might be slightly more useful to have it be up a bit faster

[echo turtle]

speed and time to regen? damn

[spice veldt]

that remains to be seen

[harsh urchin]

it doesn't really synergize with the way you want to use ult

compared to vet where you can just keep it up

[echo turtle]

sure it does

[spice veldt]

yeah toughness regen speed is very nice

[echo turtle]

it synergizes a lot

[harsh urchin]

well you dont press it on cd

[echo turtle]

no I dont

not with AB

[spice veldt]

i run psykinetic aura, so I usually have it up during chaotic engagements

[echo turtle]

with KB, i use it all the time

[spice veldt]

with KB, you have 20 seconds of downtime without the BB buff, and 3.6 seconds cuts that down to 16.4 seconds which is mildly better

[tender terrace]

sheesh brother the highest diffy? that sounds kinda intense bro

[echo turtle]

CDR would be cute with quicken if quicken was more interesting

[echo turtle]

super intense bruh

Heresy is fine to not run battery but you need it on damnation or ascendant blaze wont kill the enemies

[echo turtle]

yeah, its alright

but compared to like, gunner resists

you know?

I take almost 0 damage from reapers and gunners

[spice veldt]

i usually snipe gunners and reapers as soon as I can

[echo turtle]

its pretty slick

I can face tank them lol

[spice veldt]

I never play aggressively whenever they're alive

[cyan notch]

i take 0 damage without gunner resists

[spice veldt]

unless I can rush them down with melee

[echo turtle]

Gunner minimizing both reaper AND gunners is pretty nice

[spice veldt]

gunners and reapers are usually few enough in numbers that they can be sniped or staggered with a bolt LMB

[echo turtle]

usually

DR is just nice when shit goes sideways

[spice veldt]

i run the trauma staff in case that they decide to push on my team

[echo turtle]

oh word

[spice veldt]

but I haven't had a recent occurrence of ranged enemies pushing my team lately

[echo turtle]

ive seen people crush with it, I wish I enjoyed it

[spice veldt]

teams are usually pretty good at killing ranged enemies or that ranged enemies take their sweet time in advacing on our team

i find it to be a pretty comfy staff

since I got bored of purgatus after using it for a while

[echo turtle]

when someone is good with it, yeah it can really dictate the flow of the fight

purgatus got old, I felt the same

[spice veldt]

I'm extremely afraid of my team lacking anti-armor DPS and getting squished into a corner by bulwarks/crushers mixed with a horde

[echo turtle]

run and gun makes me happy tho

puts some flavor back in there

[echo turtle]

yeah that can happen lol

[steel flame]

Hehe trauma go bang bang bang, and they all fall down

[spice veldt]

and trauma having a slightly better range (20m instead of 16m) than purgatus and not having to cast out of cover for longer is a bit more safer against ranged enemies I find

unless the ranged enemies are close enough to get chain staggered by purg

[covert sentinel]

What are the perks you want on a purgatus staff?

[steel flame]

Unarmored and flack

[covert sentinel]

im sorry i meant blessings, i always mess that up

[steel flame]

Ah

[unique barn]

Anyone seen a chaos spawn?

[covert sentinel]

yes a few

[unique barn]

huh

[covert sentinel]

I have seen a few chaos spawn

[steel flame]

They are rare

[unique barn]

how rare?

[covert sentinel]

i see em on the new map

[steel flame]

Be happy, they are ruthless

[tender terrace]

i prob see them as frequent as the others?

[unique barn]

ok thanks

[echo turtle]

warp nexus then whatever you want

[steel flame]

Flurry for one. And I guess warp nexus. Purge has kinda Garbo blessings outside those two

[echo turtle]

flurry is good, if you're a psychopath run and gun

see above for my loadout lol

[steel flame]

If run and gun applied to m2 it might actually be good

Alas

[echo turtle]

its just to close distance

for melee

[steel flame]

I guess.......

[echo turtle]

I posted my build above, it is quite good there

I get 0 utility from warp flurry the way I play

[steel flame]

Fire staff needs its own unique blessings fatshark

[echo turtle]

oh, some people say focused channeling is also good

[spice veldt]

back when you could sprint with staff secondaries and sprint-slide into enemies

[steel flame]

Here we go

[echo turtle]

nexus is the #1 with a bullet

[spice veldt]

but they removed the ability to sprint with secondaries now

[cyan portal]

The work is complete. I wouldn't say it is great, but it isn't terrible.

[spice veldt]

focused channelling was best boy before

the bestest

[steel flame]

Oh God your gonna summon derpy again

[spice veldt]

the horror

[cyan notch]

derpy is top 2 noob opinions of all time

[tender terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[echo turtle]

look at my build

it's a melee focused build

the surge staff is there to support the Illisi

I never am standing around charging and flaming repeatedly

I'll lay down dots, then switch to illlisi to pump up slaughterer

[tender terrace]

oh ok i see now it's a surge staff

now it get it, makes sense

[echo turtle]

huh?

did I p[ost a surge?

Illisi makes the dots do more damage, the dot kills charge up slaughterer

its a feedback loop

you regen thru killing

[cyan portal]

You'd be better off with wildfire then

[tender terrace]

nah bro

wildfire SUCKS

[echo turtle]

no

it sucks

and you need the + damage from warp battery

[cyan notch]

seems like both weapons doing the same thing

[echo turtle]

and the 6 stacks

naw they arent

[cyan portal]

4 stack soulblaze with 5 stack slaughterer does work

[cyan notch]

everything dies to illisi or purg anyway

[echo turtle]

notice how the build has every possible damage buff

[cyan notch]

i dont see the benefit of swapping between both

[echo turtle]

you dont need wildfire

you cant push forward while secondary firing

[cyan portal]

you will get a lot more kills with wildfire and that play style, try it out.

[echo turtle]

I wont

but I will give it a try

for science

[tender terrace]

honestly the wildfire callout is a meme and it really doesn't matter which one you pick between the two

[echo turtle]

thing is, i dont have much of an issue spreading dots and I want the 16% extra damage on the already up to 2x damage

[cyan portal]

the worst your teammates the better it will do, but if you have good teammates nothing matters anyway

[echo turtle]

it could be ok, I have been surpised before

[tender terrace]

the fundamental problem with using purg and illis is that they literally do the same thing and you're gimping yourself

[cyan notch]

its 8%

[echo turtle]

they dont\

[tender terrace]

like cool, big horde clear

[echo turtle]

illisi is good at killing everything

[harsh urchin]

what difficulty do you play on generally?

[tender terrace]

first meaty target comes around you're smacking it for nothing lmao

[echo turtle]

HI5

[echo turtle]

negative

Illisi with these bonus's can 1 shot a mutie

two shots ragers

it SHREDS

[cyan notch]

deimos can 1 shot both with less setup

[harsh urchin]

ya deimos can 1 shot both without stacks of power

[karmic delta]

Wait people run Purgatus + Illisi?

[tender terrace]

bro read up

guys a fucking HI5 GOD using the combo

he two shots ragers with it!

[karmic delta]

aint no way 💀

[cyan notch]

i mean its not horrible

[echo turtle]

its not hitting ragers in a cluster

[tender terrace]

i have no idea tbh ive never used illis

[cyan notch]

they kinda just do the same thing

[tender terrace]

but i find it hard to believe it's anything like a demios

[echo turtle]

They really dont

[karmic delta]

I usually just Trauma Ragers first and then 1 shot them with a Deimos

[echo turtle]

that works

[tender terrace]

you can just poke them in the face with 100% peril and they die anyway

[karmic delta]

its my strat to take care of em

[karmic delta]

the first light attack on Deimos hits like a truck

[echo turtle]

This build hits like a truck, and the regen is wild

20% per kill on a charge strike

[cyan portal]

illisi has a much bigger hitbox to get weakspot hits, can spam peril, can hit multiple targets with special, and doesn't animation lock you. Build right it will delete things. I'm not saying it is better than deimos, just that it isn't obviously worse in the way it is often suggested.

[echo turtle]

its amazing

[spice veldt]

illisi has the advantage of a low setup cost

purg has the infinite cleave and being quite good, but there is a mild setup cost in the form of time

[echo turtle]

yeah it is versatile