the last headwear of the set requires 100 missions tho lol
#psyker-class
frozen osprey
frozen osprey
ykw maybe i dont want to get that headwear
i mean if you enjoy psyker you'll get it eventually
just a matter of, yknow, playing
reef quail
psykers fun its just a lot to manage
frozen osprey
more games also = more dockets to buy out the new ship yesyes
reef quail
i like to chill and turn my brain off when i play zealot
frozen osprey
psykers fun its just a lot to manage
that's really reasonable tbh
reef quail
more games also = more dockets to buy out the new ship yesyes
trueee i love me some free cosmetics
frozen osprey
for me somehow psyker is my turn off brain class
i was on autopilot for most of our games lmao
reef quail
i usually end up going overboard with the staff or completely forget that warp charges exist
frozen osprey
i use the feat that gives a random bb with an attack every like 15 seconds or so and since i mostly focus on hordes im pretty much always stacked
so i only switch to manually brainbursting if im getting pelted by shooters or there's some tanky elites
smoky wigeon
I love the look of psykers. Unsure what type of gameplay they have but those I've partied with have flamethrowers and shit so that's dope
reef quail
so i only switch to manually brainbursting if im getting pelted by shooters or t...
I hate those lines of gunners and scabs that melt your health in seconds
frozen osprey
I hate those lines of gunners and scabs that melt your health in seconds
the only thing i dont like about psyker
reef quail
I love the look of psykers. Unsure what type of gameplay they have but those I'v...
They’re much more strategic than all the other classes that’s for sure
frozen osprey
im good with hordes im good with elites but SHOOTERS are so hard to deal with on your own unless they're close and bunched (trauma staff go fwoomp)
smoky wigeon
Nice. That'll be a good change of pace from my giant dumb ogryn just slashing hordes to death
frozen osprey
I love the look of psykers. Unsure what type of gameplay they have but those I'v...
it's very modular tbh, if you really want you can even use guns but i dont like gun psyker cuz it just... feels wrong
smoky wigeon
I rarely see psykers with guns it's usually staves and such
reef quail
Psykers focus is mainly brainbursting elites so just watch out for snipers, gunners, and such
brittle karma
reef quail
Imo you’re kind of throwing if you’re not running a staff. The staffs are stronger than most weapons and don’t take any ammo
It’s the veterans job to be running lasguns and all that
frozen osprey
Imo you’re kind of throwing if you’re not running a staff. The staffs are strong...
yeah if ur gonna run a gun do it on a class that can use it better like zealot or vet
real homies always run a stave
reef quail
It took me until level 15 to find out you can cancel out the warp explosion with ability
The amount of deaths that I could’ve avoided if I knew that
frozen osprey
It took me until level 15 to find out you can cancel out the warp explosion with...
comes in clutch so often. PLUS it's part of the new penances so no reason not to do it
frozen osprey
laspistol w ghost gunker
laspistol is the only exception because funny
shy prairie
laspistol is the only reason I play veteran
frozen osprey
is it actually good or is it just a meme
shy prairie
you can stand infront of 1,000,000 scab shooters if you have a reaper to click on head
frozen osprey
woag
steel flame
aight this is the build ive put together for fire trauma, it goes so hard
shy prairie
duck n dive registers ghost dodges as dodging gunfire, plus deadshot you get pewpew
big crits
orchid shadow
I'm curious about that setup, is Blazing Spirit really that good on Trauma? I haven't used the staff in months. =/
steel flame
ive been doin quarter and half charges for it
and dear got it melts hordes so goddam fast
the first shot doesnt kill so when blaze procs its hitting everything
then the second kills spreading the fire and starts a vicious feedback loop
its like a never ending ascendant blaze plus all the damage of trauma
orchid shadow
Hmm, interesting. I'll have to see if I can cobble one together to try out.. I need a second setup if someone else is already using a Surge
steel flame
its a little hard to get used too. played too long with quicken
echo turtle
does bloodthirsty still give 5 seconds of auto crits?
echo turtle
Imo you’re kind of throwing if you’re not running a staff. The staffs are strong...
naw, guns slap.
vraks and shredder are dope as hell.
near wyvern
@cyan portal I will check the macro once I am back at my computer, if you have a Logitech mouse it should work as it is, for other brands you may need to adjust the timings
echo turtle
Don’t tell people whos “job” is what. The job is the win the mission.
I can roll with a gun and complete T5 topping the scoreboard with a gun. Guns are fine. I can switch over to my vet and do just as well, maybe better, but I like the psyker playstyle so thats the toon I will use.
That being said Lately I have been using the lightning staff. Love that thing
near wyvern
does bloodthirsty still give 5 seconds of auto crits?
Nope, next hit within 5 seconds
echo turtle
Rip Bloodthirsty :/
near wyvern
Yup.
echo turtle
Does warp absorbtion trigger on FS attacks? Or just the charged ones or what?
spice veldt
only special kills
echo turtle
Im gonna give absorbtiona shot
with the illisi
could be good, does BB count as a warp attack?
It doesnt IIRC
karmic delta
Yes
near wyvern
@echo turtle it does
The problem with warp absoption is that psyker has no difficulty fighting melee, it's the ranged rifle fire that kills you, and that's when you need toughness the most.
However, there is no good warp attack to clear multiple ranged enemies in a quick succession outside of 6 stack AB, so warp absorption doesn't give you toughness when you actually need it the most.
echo turtle
Yeah, thats where harvest is so good
just keep chaining BBs for non stop regen if you need it
I am also running the lightning staff, so it does have the ability to trigger when engaging shooters
dropping harvest for absorbtion to try and be a lil vampire, then I am gonna drop communion for the aura
switch out of a regen proc build into a lil vampire CDR ult spam boi
I never would have tried this, but with the ilisi...
could be good
near wyvern
@echo turtle surge staff is limited by the target cap so it's not that reliable unless you are fighting scabs
echo turtle
You are forgeting the alt fire
So, absorbtion works great
just won a T5 shock gauntlet and did very well
I will also say, it feels REAL good to swing into a horde and go to full toughness
olive ember
Ohhh
hes running warp absorption for the illisi
I'm ngl my brain was melting slightly trying to process why you would run warp absorption with the surge staff
It's pretty good yeah but in my experience I only die from getting 100 to 0'd most of the time, like not paying attention and letting 4 bruisers hit me at the same time or wte. It's def fun for when you are at half toughness and you get it back instantly from one good swing but for wte reason I def play better using quietitude
maybe its also just a mental effect cuz I play alot more recklessly in melee when I know I can generate 80% of my toughness back in one swing and I overextend
echo turtle
Theres no situation where I get more back via quititude than I would with essence harvest
except maybe with a purgatus, that triggers the quell on kill a lot
Does stuff dying to soulblaze trigger the absorbtion?
Check out this sword
I logged back in with 50k dockets got this guy, then rolled it up
spice veldt
with an 80% quell speed staff, quietude is faster if you can generate 100% peril in less than 6 seconds
aka trauma
echo turtle
you are required to then spend half that time quelling, which is time you could be fighting
spice veldt
but I'm also not constrained to using BB or going out of my way to pick the warp charge feats if it's not already part of my build
and I'm already going to be quelling
since quelling isn't something that I'm going out of my way to do
spice veldt
neither do I
they remove the rampup on quelling so quelling speeds are the same speed regardless of how fast you hold down the quell key
echo turtle
for chaining bursts
spice veldt
so I can just repeatedly spam the trauma at 100% peril, quell down to 75% in two ticks, and repeat
echo turtle
you quell to just 97
I spend much of my time with near max perils, if you are using quititude you dont want that
it also lacks synergy with the inner tranq / battery combo
spice veldt
it's a tradeoff and when I'm in a situation where I want to be in high peril, I'm not going to BB either way
except for doing one-shots on flamers and bursters
echo turtle
BB is very strong
echo turtle
it is often the right tool to use
spice veldt
depends on what you mean by "often"
echo turtle
Yeah, I wish there was a way to show the metrics easier
spice veldt
it a good long range option and against carapace/bulwark/fast enemies
but I prefer to use my other weapons in most cases
echo turtle
Quititude just encourages inneficient defensive play to gain some regen. That is why I think it is not the best choice
spice veldt
quietude isn't my main source of regen in most cases
it's primarily for ranged engagements
keep in mind that I use trauma
spice veldt
i use the illisi and I'm going to generate a bunch of peril in the process
spice veldt
without barrage, BB is two seconds, and with an 80% quell speed staff, it takes 2 seconds to quell down to 1% peril or 2.25 seconds to quell down to 0%
echo turtle
whats your point?
spice veldt
my point is that in my situation and with my playstyle, quietude is better
echo turtle
so, in the 6 seconds it took to ramp peril and quell it
you got 50% regen to like, my 30
and you got 30% less DPS for wasting time quelling
is that... worth it?
spice veldt
i'm not often BBing
echo turtle
I also run kinetic shield, so I took less damage than you in the process
Its not the only source of charges
spice veldt
I'm aware
spice veldt
but I'm also not constrained to using BB or going out of my way to pick the warp...
hence why I made this statement
cyan portal
The real reason quietude is best is that you can control exactly when you get toughness back. Getting toughness back while at 100% isn't helpful, and you should be at 100% most of the time anyway.
echo turtle
I remember we had these back and forths where I shit on quietitude like 6 months ago arco
You played mostly malice with a bit on H at the time
you up to T5 yet?
echo turtle
The real reason quietude is best is that you can control exactly when you get to...
I control when I get toughness back, it's all the time
echo turtle
I played damnation back then
when I asked you were just starting H here and there
spice veldt
I started this game back in november, and I'm pretty sure our arguments were around february/march
echo turtle
but that was like, at the start of my tenure here. I never followed up cuz its kind of dick wavey
I stopped playing regularly before then I think
I dunno
it was a minute
spice veldt
point is, I don't spend a lot of time BBing during ranged engagements or pick warp charge feats besides flayer, so essence harvest doesn't benefit my playstyle
so there is indeed a situation where quietude is better
echo turtle
Kinetic shield, is under rated. Inner tranq allows you to consistently DPS, Communion gives charges and allows you to run battery
none of this at all synergizes with quietitude
echo turtle
what do you run?
cyan portal
I control when I get toughness back, it's all the time
You're bb'ing every 5 seconds?
echo turtle
you would get more regen with harvest using both passive charge regen traits
echo turtle
You're bb'ing every 5 seconds?
you uh, never heard of communion eh?
spice veldt
there's a random element involved and it scales based on the # of enemies there are
and I prefer ult CD over communion
echo turtle
there's a random element involved and it scales based on the # of enemies there ...
between the two, the procs are consistent on the higher difficulties due to the amount of enemies it throws at you
spice veldt
still an expected value of 1 per 25 enemies
echo turtle
from communion alone
spice veldt
I think you are overestimating how much I brain burst in a mission
echo turtle
and yeah, I BB a lot
when I run flayer I pop it and toss out bursts all the time. it is very good
echo turtle
I think you are overestimating how much I brain burst in a mission
Perhaps you should consider using it more. it does feel much better when you know you are proccing regen off it
side bonus
cyan portal
Perhaps you should consider using it more. it does feel much better when you kno...
what build do you run?
echo turtle
if you were to try that build, you would also switch to battery and tranq
echo turtle
what build do you run?
I run a few, right now I am fucking with illisi and surge
one sec
itsss
221213
spice veldt
I know that BB is good and I do use it often, but I don't use it enough to justify running essence harvest over quietude
echo turtle
thats the surge build I played tonight
could do essence harvest just fine with it aswell
cyan portal
you do realize warp unleashed gives bb a ton of breakpoints?
echo turtle
on T5, no it doesnt
spice veldt
the notable BP to me is that it lets me one-shot flamers
cyan portal
it is trivial to test and prove it does, up to you to find out if you want
echo turtle
unleashed will turn a T5 flamer to a one shot from a two shot?
spice veldt
you have a bit more leeway at 4 warp charges and more
cyan portal
but you generally are at 6 wc stacks if you're a bb fiend.
echo turtle
yeah, if running communion all the time
flamers and ragers should conistently drop around like what
60%? or something
when you have 6 charges
cyan portal
no point in communion if you bb a lot, better to take aura so you can chain bb ult buff
echo turtle
I find when I dont take it, my charges drop
spice veldt
e.g., you need 70% peril to one-shit flamers with 4 warp charges
echo turtle
sometimes I BB like crazy, sometimes I dont
spice veldt
or 43% peril with 5 warp charges
cyan portal
you just need to do one bb every minute to stay at 6 stacks, pretty easy to sneak one in with barrage.
echo turtle
the aura trait is real good, but I dont like having to force BBs when its not optimal
echo turtle
or 43% peril with 5 warp charges
damn
thats legit
I'm gonna run that, I do like extra damage
that is what I wanted to run on my gun build anyways, so thats sweet it gets BBs past some breakpoints
it sure didn't used to LOL
cyan portal
inner tranq is good training wheels while learning peril management. And still useful in very specific builds. But WU is very strong and the general default.
echo turtle
amazing time to be a psyker
It is really good for chaining BBs and Surge staff attacks
uptime = DPS
tranq increases uptime
spice veldt
though quelling speeds are quite nice nowadays
only 250ms for the first quell tick compared to the previous 500ms
spice veldt
yeah they removed the increasing speed when quelling
and just made it consistently faster
echo turtle
nice
cyan portal
if you kill enough you don't need to quell ever from battle med, if you kill enough elites with aura on you can just use ult for peril management, etc.
echo turtle
theoretically
I like aura a lot, and it should be enough
but, I have tended to go for communion, simply for the fact that its one less thing I need to think about and I can focus 100 percent on the needs of the fight, rather than making sub optimal plays to balance a resource
I'll give it a go though
cuz aura is dope and I would like to use it again in a build that feels smooth
cyan portal
yeah, personally i still use communion because i only bb when needed and I like to drop max ab on cooldown
echo turtle
I would tend to run aura and flayer, but now battery feels too good to pass up
yeah with AB i always run communion
its like, PB and J
surge staff is a lil peril hog, but those tweaks would be perfect for a gunbuild
cyan portal
there is good room to tweak spec for staff and playstyle and ever what you're fighting. Most options have a good place, even wrack and ruin is great on the annoying sniper missions, bb two of them and rest burn to death.
echo turtle
nice
yeah the feats are finally getting to a place where you actually want to consider your kit
few months ago, there was 2 builds and just some small flavour
cyan portal
quietude and kinetic shield are probably the only two points I never change.
echo turtle
you try the illisi with absorbtion though
good lord
feels good man
also, depends on the staff you use. its gotta be one that scores kills
I have only done this combo with the surge, and it felt juuuuust right, for the amount of kills the surge tends to get during engagements where I want the regen
and ofc, the surge needs tranq to sustain DPS to get those kills
its nice to see these contextual synergies appear. Refreshing
so, Illisi is like, the best eh?
or have the other swords been given some massive shit
cuz, just taking this weapon out for a spin, I am in love with a force sword
spice veldt
deimos l1 has the same damage bonus that obscurus' 3rd light has
and the h2 is a stab that deals 2.5x more damage than a normal heavy
echo turtle
interesting pattern
probs feels good with a purge staff
just a note on the breakpoints for BB
we arent fighting in the psycanium
a situational breakpoint, will almost never actually matter.
what actually matters, is consistent performance.
AH, yeah as I suspected pygexs guide is misleading
a bulwark is always 2 shots, at 6 charges
wooden silo
I like the Deimos when I run purge.
echo turtle
so, thats one breakpoint it actually doesnt change
wooden silo
Both force swords are amazing though
echo turtle
reapers are also always 3 shots with or without that feat
if you arent taking warp battery, that feat can make up for that shortfall
but if you do take warp battery, you aren't hitting breakpoints except in very rare circumstances]
spice veldt
it is essentially just a table of the minimum amount of warp charges and peril you need for those one-shots with warp unleashed
echo turtle
thats not how it was presented
it was presented that feat makes BB hit important breakpoints
well, BB already hits those actually
if you have 100% peril you maybe just maybe get a 1 shot on a flamer
I think the argument is, if you want to take flayer and you want to take aura, then that feat makes sense.
but I think the DPS ends up being higher with battery and tranq.
6 charge tranq after flayer makes BB use only 15 perils
even presenting that as an option only makes any sense if you are starting the built with quietitude and building from there
if you start from, max DPS and uptime and work backward you end up with something very different
I'm going to bed, have a nice night fellas
mellow fossil
does rampage even activate on duelist sword?
spice veldt
push-attack has 6 cleave
cyan notch
knife is not a race
spice veldt
lmao there was a weaker version of riposte?
i guess they didn't buff it that one time
ember hornet
97% DR 
viral solstice
and 400% reason to remember the name
at least they all share
precog
10% of the best stat in the game BAYBEEE
spice veldt
best two stats
viral solstice
talking of amazing stats
guess how much damage this gains on a triple headshot on a maniac, iags best target
spice veldt
i forget what the weakspot multi on IAGs are, but I guess 10% on the 2nd/3rd?
spice veldt
ah with sustained fire factored in?
viral solstice
:L)
unreal dust
Did the patch drop yet?
Or have they made it more clear when besides "During Skulls?"
sterile vale
There's a timer on the launcher 
normal sequoia
decided to partake in Hadron's casino again. 
What would you guys recommend to change in perks and what to switch for Focused Channeling?
this is my current purgatus for comparison. Or should I stick with this one?
unreal dust
There's a timer on the launcher <:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
Yes.... I realized seconds later when I booted it up. //facepalm//
unreal dust
decided to partake in Hadron's casino again. <:tired:1055485174655221870> What w...
Warp Nexus is kind of the mandatory one for Purgatus once you get it unlocked
For lack of blessing variety
unreal dust
this is my current purgatus for comparison. Or should I stick with this one?
Took a second look at them. Honestly? Even with the T4 Warp Flurry, I think you're better off with your current staff. If only because of the low burn damage on the new one.
normal sequoia
gotcha
guess I'll stick with the old one and just add the T4 Flurry to my sticker book lol
and be on a lookout for better Warp Nexus
thanks 
spice veldt
remember to take care of your legs https://streamable.com/zr5sik
kind jay
arco skipped leg day
vestal raven
its stacks with deflector so thats something
tropic vigil
it just saves on stamina is what im assuming? i thought it might work together but im leaning towards a damage perk
spice veldt
pretty much
unless you're not running either a stamina curio or kinetic deflection, I wouldn't keep block eff
spice veldt
speciencialistcy is too much power to have on one weapon
tropic vigil
it causes the game to crash anytime a mission is loaded
crude gulch
Highest deflector is tier 3? for force sword
safe crystal
Deflector goes up to 4
unreal dust
does block efficiency do anything useful?
Saves on Peril/Stamina when blocking. As described
At high values it can be a little hilarious walking into heavy gunner fire. Buuut it'll never block a sniper round. Ever :<
hollow jolt
only Vet can safely facetank a Sniper shot (ignoring Ogryn shield of course)
Unwavering Focus (-75% toughness damage taken) needs a buff UwU
minor wedge
Yo Psykers
quick question
thus far I have onetricked zealot
But I wanne make a psyker with the personality that goes "I sense forshortened lifespans.... no, not four shortened lifespans"
Which personality is that ?
hybrid path
That's the Loner.
He's the coolest and my spirit animal.
"A FOUL CREATURE LURKS"
"A million worlds. All of zem villed with rhunning und screaming such as this vun?"
"ARGH NAG NAG NAG - VERY WELL!"
A Beast of Nurgle appears and he pings it. Just casually exclaims the word "NATURALLY" as it consumes the Zealot and barfs into the Ogryn's mouth. Doesn't bother calling out the name sometimes with his pings, unlike the others. "NATURALLY" is just his natural reaction to seeing a screaming abomination literally barge through a wall and scream ceaselessly.
frozen osprey
A Beast of Nurgle appears and he pings it. Just casually exclaims the word "NATU...
I always jej when i hear this
shy prairie
"A FOUL CREATURE LURKS"
shy prairie
YOU REQUESTED A PSYKER
MY LORD?
lethal cave
I personally rep the french-ish psyker, blanking on her voice name though
minor wedge
Is the "my beloved says ..." also the loner psyker
?
😮
Got my first forcestaff unlocked
LETS GOO
Time to go heretic on those heretics!
sturdy quest
Is the "my beloved says ..." also the loner psyker
nah that's the seer (my personal favourite)
sturdy quest
Time to go heretic on those heretics!
are you saying... you're a heretic
minor wedge
I'M not
But the zealots keep calling me that
That and freak
Bit rude if you ask me
sturdy quest
I personally rep the french-ish psyker, blanking on her voice name though
thats the savant btw
ionic frost
A Beast of Nurgle appears and he pings it. Just casually exclaims the word "NATU...
"Naturally" is pinging a target that someone else pinged first.
quasi ivy
hey guys, does the damage matter much on purgatus?
ionic frost
hey guys, does the damage matter much on purgatus?
most people consider it the dump stat...
quasi ivy
most people consider it the dump stat...
thank you, what about crit chance? which perk do i keep? 🤔
final scarab
crit is double stacking so its nice
for damage perk you have multiple options
with blessing run and gun sucks tho focused channeling warp flurry and nexus is to go for
lethal cave
thats the savant btw
Ye her!
she's great 🫡
digital loom
if only you could make body shape like widowmaker...
frozen osprey
if only you could make body shape like widowmaker...
sturdy quest
if only you could make body shape like widowmaker...
slaanesh cultist spotted
sturdy quest
Ye her!
she's great 🫡
she was my first pick, but i had to redo my whole psyker cuz i can't stand her personality
too much bootlicking
shadow wigeon
im assuming this is related to shirtless bug and cant do anything with it?
ornate abyss
Is this a good blessing?
kindred sand
Which one is better? So i will take the bless from the other
shadow wigeon
Which one is better? So i will take the bless from the other
They're both top tier, #2 is slightly better
idle bay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKOHKzhcTzY
We are desperately need that line in the game for all 3 personalities
shadow wigeon
Is this a good blessing?
Briefly... bloodthirsty isnt great, and uncanny 3 isn't really worth paying milkbucks for
opal pawn
just check if you have still max stacks in the right one, otherwise take the left @kindred sand
shadow wigeon
just check if you have still max stacks in the right one, otherwise take the lef...
Burn 76% is breakpoint for max stacks
opal pawn
wasnt sure about that, ya right one then, you dont care about down stat of quellspeed if its not fully f'ed
kindred sand
Ty @shadow wigeon and @opal pawn will test them both
shadow wigeon
Ty <@398461536705970178> and <@166584688549429248> will test them both
You can see the max burn stacks by hovering over Burn stat, no need to test.
opal pawn
76% still max or breakpoint for 1 less stack?
shadow wigeon
76% still max or breakpoint for 1 less stack?
76 is max stacks
kindred sand
You can see the max burn stacks by hovering over Burn stat, no need to test.
Oh, nice. Yes it has max stacks
SHould i keep damage to elites or to specials:
?
shadow wigeon
I would keep elites
shadow wigeon
I put flak on it right?
Yeah, safe bet.
Blessings wise I assume you are going for Nexus/Flurry
shadow wigeon
Yeah, just making sure, since you have a S tier staff there 😮
FWIW I am a fan of Focused + Flurry, which you also have the option of trying.
kindred sand
Ty , its really good to have more experienced people to help, because i dont have to play a lot
Hmm... Nice. Will try it later
frozen osprey
We are desperately need that line in the game for all 3 personalities
A like 1/100 chance of playing a voiceline on a fully charged attack would be pretty neat
digital loom
infested or uny
idle bay
A like 1/100 chance of playing a voiceline on a fully charged attack would be pr...
With an additional line afterwards: "I have no idea where did it came from"
digital loom
if i run warp battery and warp unleashed i can one shot dogs with l1
at like 60%
and without warp battery its 80%
echo turtle
I am also wondering about illisa perks
I got a god tier illisi roll for blessings, but the perks Arent the best. I am wondering what to change
what are the best perks in your opinions for the illisi?
cyan portal
Always flak and maniac
frozen osprey
Whatever happened to that one mission where you blow up a few vats of green goop
I havent played that in ages
lilac tapir
I just played a very intense random HI5ST Comms-Plex, we almost wiped at the end but made a very good recovery thanks to Ogryn with shield who actually knew how to use it. Also, Zealot had a TH and was able to 2 shot each Demon Host we encountered, was really surprised when Time to Die (3) penance (Kill Monstrosity in 5s or less) randomly popped up right after I heard the DH awakening sound. It was actually quite nice to be able to just walk over the DHs instead of skipping them like usually 🙂
Also - HI5ST gives you carpal tunnel...
unique barn
Anyone feel like doing a surge build change, breakdown for new patch? Brief?
formal ridge
wow two of the most toxic players in a high schock game
straight up attacking our surge psyker then attacking me
unique barn
Max gear current is
cyan portal
Anyone feel like doing a surge build change, breakdown for new patch? Brief?
which patch?
unique barn
formal ridge
a veteran and a ogryn
unique barn
which patch?
Haven't played for 2-3 months.
echo turtle
@spice veldt I’m gonna try out warp unleashed + flayer in place of Inner tranq and battery
unique barn
500+ sword(deflect) 500 surge etc
echo turtle
from your feedback
cyan portal
Ahh ok, well imo. quell is dump* stat on staff. flurry nexus blessings, flak maniac perks. I run 322113, which is a heavy bb build that uses 6 stack wc resistance to be able to use surge to stun when necessary.
unique barn
Ok thanks, is that single psyker in a group?
cyan portal
Yeah, it is kinda a babysitting build more than a carry build though. If you got a couple vets that can put out huge dps but have terrible awareness it is good to enable them. But if you got a low dps team it is gonna be hard.
unique barn
I mean like a Damnation build
cyan portal
It will depend on your team. I normally run it if I have a good team doing the hardest content, as it really enables good dps teammates to shine.
unique barn
did they improve BB in Damnation?
cyan portal
kinda, warp unleashed with warp battery will hit quite a few 1 shot breakpoints.
unique barn
Right but you're not taking Warp Unleashed?
formal ridge
I have a surge with quell dump and one with charge dump
cyan portal
yeah, it will still 1 shot trappers snipers bombers, prob a few others, but those are the three I care most about getting rid of at range.
formal ridge
they both have different playstyle
echo turtle
kinda, warp unleashed with warp battery will hit quite a few 1 shot breakpoints.
2 shot crusher and 1 shot pox burster I think are the only breakpoints you hit with battery and unleashed is that right
unique barn
yeah, it will still 1 shot trappers snipers bombers, prob a few others, but thos...
you said 322113, but you want me to do 312113?
?
cyan portal
I think flamers too
echo turtle
unleashed only hits a lot of breakpoints with you dint run battery
ill havr to check in psykaniun
cyan portal
you said 322113, but you want me to do 312113?
Either can work, if you want to be able to stun lock more often then take resistance, if you want to delete a few more things take warp unleashed.
unique barn
Ok let me make it easier. What is wrong with 311131
on a control build surge
solid 4, damnation
Like Quicken got buffed, right?
So Inner Tranq is worth?
cyan portal
I mean that would work, you don't get buffed bb speed
unique barn
What does BB do in Damnation?
cyan portal
if you don't like bb then that is prob a better fitting build
it stuns things and chunks their hp or kills them
unique barn
Yeah staff does that, for the rest.
cyan portal
problem with surge is that it has 6 max targets
echo turtle
Inner tranq is really good if you arent using quititude
unique barn
BB has 1
echo turtle
If you are using quititude you probably want unleashed
cyan portal
so if a horde is running at you then all the shot gunners and etc behind them are unsurgable
unique barn
Inner tranq is really good if you arent using quititude
yeah
cyan portal
Imo the use of surge is to stun multiple muties and bursters, and groups of ogryn, and a bunch of gunners at mid range if nothing else is around.
Vs a horde you want to use illisi to chop heads
vs priority elites you want to bb
unique barn
So, imo.. SS/Ogryn for elites. Sure a BB here and there. But surge 311131, was the better build, in a 4 in damnation. Has that changed?
cyan portal
The aura barrage combo will reset ult as buff runs out if you picked out 1 shot elites, and have reset entire teams ult. That is mainly why I run it.
unique barn
Ok, thanks.
cyan portal
bombers snipers and trappers all need to die asap, and quick cast bb is very effective at it.
cyan portal
So, imo.. SS/Ogryn for elites. Sure a BB here and there. But surge 311131, *w...
I run the 311131 with my auto quell voidstrike, almost never bb and just chain secondaries forever, its very effective.
unique barn
Has void been buffed?
cyan portal
flurry was fixed for most staves, but apart from that they haven't tweaked the numbers afaik.
the boosted staff quell by a ton too i guess
The talent trees have been buffed an adjusted a fair bit though, so finding optimal combos interacting with blessing loadouts has progressed a bit I guess. There are very strong ways to play all the staves + shredder autopistol.
unique barn
Ah, this is good to know
cyan portal
Exactly what is strongest depends on the what you're facing and who your teammates are, imo.
unique barn
Shredder used to suck
cyan portal
on shredder pinning 4 blaze 3 means you do ~2.5x dmg, including your dot ticks.
spice veldt
<@297182781346152448> I’m gonna try out warp unleashed + flayer in place of Inn...
sweet
echo turtle
Imo the use of surge is to stun multiple muties and bursters, and groups of ogry...
Surge DPs is real good against the right stuff actually
cyan portal
dp?
cyan portal
oh, yeah it is. It's 6 target limit is the hard factor though.
echo turtle
here is what I notice
the regen is good only when spamming the staff
you have horrible regen when having to melee and alternate
echo turtle
doesnt matter
unique barn
?
echo turtle
in melee, you wont be ramping perils much
unique barn
sure it does
spice veldt
illisi ramps up your peril
echo turtle
not very nuch
ember hornet
wdym, melee is best at max peril
cyan portal
in melee with infinite dodge fs you shouldn't ever be getting hit for toughness dmg.
ember hornet
illisi at 100 peril
spice veldt
or a low warp res for obscurus/deimos
echo turtle
well in the real world you cant just dodge forever you have to fight
and you may want to regen so you dont get downed to a shot
spice veldt
you can dodge AND fight
cyan portal
oh, obscurus is dirt tier now, the two new ones are both meta
unique barn
ah
spice veldt
infinite dodges having no downtime in protection
echo turtle
So anyways, When switching to different weapons or even brain bursting the regen drops a lot, otherwise its great if you want to stay midrange the whole time
with how fast quell is now, spamming the staves and regening with quititude is decent. it lacks in close combat
unique barn
oh, obscurus is dirt tier now, the two new ones are both meta
point being, warp regen on the sword is ~decent, not as good as staff
echo turtle
I did like have flayer back though, it feels good when it procs in a spelite
ember hornet
Idk I always play at like 80% peril so quietitude is just passive regen all the time
unique barn
^
echo turtle
For surge, I still think battery + tranq is better when using the illisi
here is why.
Maintaining uptime on the staff lets you maximize warp flurry, gaining more time stunning and better dps
in close conbat, a single charged swing with absorption will get your toughness back to 100% usually
if you don’t melee a lot, thats a different story
unique barn
Yeah, fair
echo turtle
regarding breakpoints, in the actual gme, you arent fighting alone, breakpoints are bullshit
ember hornet
I played basically illisi only with quietitude, kinetic shield, and quicken
unique barn
yep
echo turtle
its a rare day I hve to 3 shot a crusher cuz it took literally 0 damage
cyan portal
certain breakpoints are meaningful
echo turtle
I played basically illisi only with quietitude, kinetic shield, and quicken
Absorption,tranq,communion,shield,battery,Brain burst
echo turtle
certain breakpoints are meaningful
only if they actually translate into a change of dps or ttk in a match
spice veldt
but knowing that you reached those breakpoints means that you can have a minimum expectation of what happens when you do X thing
echo turtle
which they tend not to as most enemies take damage before you hit them
cyan portal
1 bb'ing a burster as it is running in, vs leaving it on 5% hp to jump into your team is a fairly meaningful difference, as an example.
echo turtle
if you bb the burster it staggers
ember hornet
I don't play with the expectation my team is gonna do damage all the time
echo turtle
so, you can tap it with a staff shot to kill it
spice veldt
and even if you don't hit breakpoints, extra damage will help kill enemies faster
eg, mauler won't ever get one-shot by brainburst, but the extra damage from warp unleashed helps them towards their death
unique barn
Ok good info, when I played Damnation Crusher was something like 6 BB
ember hornet
why is surge staff part of this
unique barn
I asked
echo turtle
I only play Damnation, usually I only need two bursts on then
cyan portal
if you bb the burster it staggers
Hmm, not in my experience, but will test to be sure before I completely disagree.
echo turtle
sometimes I need the third
echo turtle
Hmm, not in my experience, but will test to be sure before I completely disagree...
Could have sworn
bursters are weird man, twice i shocked them and they exploded anyways today
ember hornet
it's easily the worst staff but I guess it can do something sometimes
echo turtle
you get the charge up so fast and it starts shredding
unique barn
I played beta to say February, was the Damnation meta
echo turtle
it’s not
cyan portal
surge is a specialized build, not a general carry build. It requires things from teammates, but can really enable them to do things even better.
echo turtle
peoole just suck with it and use it wrong
unique barn
Was asking opinions now
echo turtle
It doesnt require anything from the team at all
spice veldt
voidstrike is the worst staff
echo turtle
If your surge psyker is spamming lightning into chaff he’s trash
unique barn
well yeah
echo turtle
if he runs into hordes with a melee weapon he’a a chad and will carry you
cyan portal
like in hi int shook troop is does work because it gives your team a zone of safe from all the specials raining in
spice veldt
the existence of illisi was an indirect bufff to surge
unique barn
wtf is illisi
ember hornet
cause you don't need a secondary that does damage when you run illisi
the psyker power sword
safe crystal
voidstrike is the worst staff
No u 
echo turtle
The secondary on surge does huge dps to the right targets
if you know when to use it
spice veldt
No u <:madge1:1051577674797166674>
eat azz skate fazz
unique barn
always did
echo turtle
if you just mindlessly spam it, ur gonna suck and do fuck all
I seldom see people use the primary fire
I use that thing like a gun all the time
ember hornet
what
echo turtle
if you get mercy kill and lacerate
ember hornet
what
echo turtle
dude, you have no idea
ember hornet
yes I do in fact
unique barn
well i used to run zealot bleed invincibility before they fixed it lol
cyan portal
imo purga is best carry staff, just burn everything to death and team's performance is irrelevant. If they're good it goes fast, if they're bad you just solo to rez them again.
echo turtle
My knife has like a 25% crit chance and with bleed stacks on it does 2800 to a muties face
spice veldt
can't go wrong with infinite cleave
ember hornet
knife is one of the worst melees for general use, and you are running lacerate instead of uncanny
echo turtle
lol no
unique barn
I lost a finger to zealot knife
echo turtle
Knife takes a lot of practice, you need to be really really good in CC and you will slaughter
this illisi tho, it’s slick
hordes were annoying with the knife
ember hornet
illisi is at least 10x better than a knife
cyan portal
knife zealot is high skill style that got way too popular and so a very bad rep, and the lacerate meme didn't help at all. Not sure it is more than a meme on other classes as only zealot really makes use of the crit.
echo turtle
TTK in the knife was equivalent to my near god rolled obscurus
ember hornet
knife single target is worse than illisi single target
echo turtle
unless there have been berfs you actually dont know what you’re talking about
my knife ttk is the same as Fs charge attacks
unique barn
knife zealot is high skill style that got way too popular and so a very bad rep,...
well it was legit broken early on
echo turtle
on most enemies
ember hornet
illisi 1 shots almost every enemy
unique barn
procced bleed/eternal invincibility on zealots
echo turtle
On malice maybe
echo turtle
it doesnt ine shot the specialists
ember hornet
it does
cyan portal
well it was legit broken early on
Yeah, but once they fixed bleed the meme stuck around, there are still a big group of people who think lacerate is the god roll.
ember hornet
all of them except muties
ember hornet
and you can one shot muties if you have maniac
unique barn
Yeah, but once they fixed bleed the meme stuck around, there are still a big gro...
Only way to zealot is flamer.
sick hatch
I’m torn between playing zealot and psyker: rejects, please sell me on the psyker!
cyan portal
1 shotting a mutie with illisi is the best
echo turtle
is that a weakspot crit
ember hornet
just weakspot
cyan portal
you need a few stacks of slaughterer and wc and a heatshot, but that is pretty common in the situation intense enough that you care it was 1 shot.
ember hornet
this is the one I use
echo turtle
Slaughterer is two seconds, a charge and swing most of the time will lose the stacks
thats almost my exact sword except mine was natty
unique barn
So I have 8.3 million gold, should I just spam for an Illisi?
echo turtle
yes lol
unique barn
k
echo turtle
it’s awesome
cyan portal
Slaughterer is two seconds, a charge and swing most of the time will lose the st...
I main purga, so whenever I have illisi out my slaughterer is constantly refreshing from burn kills
echo turtle
I main purga, so whenever I have illisi out my slaughterer is constantly refresh...
Thats handy
spice veldt
at 60% peril, my roll does 2.8k damage to muties with +maniac and unstable power
unique barn
so illisi combo is what
spice veldt
spam the special-heavy
cyan portal
I like the moveset and peril spam of the illisi more
unique barn
Charge/sweep?
echo turtle
yeah illisi moveset is great
Yeah if you want to clear a bunch if shit
or soecials
spice veldt
echo turtle
with slaughterer and unstable you can spam sweeps without charging and clear horde
spice veldt
spamming dodges gets you the space you need for the special and a heavy
unique barn
ok
spice veldt
as long as no enemies are off to your side to catch you
echo turtle
6 warp charges, charged illis does not kill a rager to the face and does 2800 to a mutie
so, unless ur stacking slaughterer, no it doesn’t 1 hit specialists
ember hornet
why wouldn't I be stacking slaughterer
this is one of the first times I was testing illisi, it's uh yeah kind of strong and I'm definitely not being fast/optimal
ember hornet
it will be
echo turtle
it often wont be
if you dodge back, charge then swing, it’s gone
See, this is why I build for consistency
spice veldt
it lasts 3.5 seconds despite what the tooltip says
ember hornet
you can literally use any weapon
spice veldt
if you want to enable your melee, surge or trauma
unique barn
kk
echo turtle
it’s like they took everything I hated about the obscurus, and tossed it away
unique barn
hah
unique barn
dude pre-beta psyker was mental then we got nerfed
cyan portal
demos and illisi both strong, try out both and see what you like, either works with any staff if you get good at them.
echo turtle
^
Just make sure you get slaughterer on it
after that, I like unstabke power, and would even consider T4 shred if I had it
some like deflector and thats fine too
cyan portal
yeah, slaughterer + unstable power (more dmg)/deflector (safer over extending)/uncanny strike (better vs crushers)
unique barn
yeah i linked my old sword above, deflector/slaughter
echo turtle
I like to go
221213 for Illisi surge
if you want quititude
312233
unique barn
only way
echo turtle
When you dodge, you have 100% damage resists
so, if ur always dodgin, ur always deflecting
if you catch my meaning
ember hornet
well, not really
spice veldt
there's still downtime
echo turtle
it’s in the code
spice veldt
and you may not do your inputs perfectly
unique barn
I like to go
221213 for Illisi surge
if you want quititude
312233
I am a fan of quietitude tbh
spice veldt
I'm aware that you can't be hit by ranged while in a dodgestate
ember hornet
there's effectively iframes you get, but you will still take hits on either end sometimes
cyan portal
jump in meatgrinder and spawn 20 shooters of various types and see how long you last just dodging.
spice veldt
but without a macro, you're not doing the inputs perfectly each time
echo turtle
yeah, the second one I feel flows well with quititude, Meow would be better to ask about building around that
it’s not my prefered regen
echo turtle
jump in meatgrinder and spawn 20 shooters of various types and see how long you ...
In real games I hve done fine
and Hi5 is what I build for, not meatgrinder
burnt tapir
Thoughts on the first feat?
cyan portal
Yeah I'm just showing you how to prove dodging is not 100% immunity to ranged
burnt tapir
Does the 30% over 5 stack?
echo turtle
its 100% immunity for a window
spice veldt
I can often rush down groups of shooters, but you can't expect to be in the best position all the time or be able to have the best initial engagements
safe crystal
Does the 30% over 5 stack?
No
spice veldt
or if a group of shooters catches you off guard
cyan portal
deflector lets you move forward into gunfire, hence the selling point is safely over extending. If you play safe it is a waste.
spice veldt
and compared to the other blessing choices besides slaughterer, you're not missing out on much
ember hornet
also technically some melee attacks can hit you while dodging
depending on position
echo turtle
deflector sort of does that
unique barn
Ok I owe you all a beer, slainte
echo turtle
it has a 45* angle if you walk up and get shot outside of that you still take the hit
It’s nice, had I not rolled unstable 4 I wiuld be inclined to use it
Having run a lot of FS, I almost never get use out of deflector
unique barn
deflector lets you move forward into gunfire, hence the selling point is safely ...
It was always a carry, but sometimes you have to
echo turtle
I have ranged weapons, I can use them instead of blocking
cyan portal
it also interacts to give you peril, which is a good thing if you get toughness and dmg from peril.
echo turtle
true enough
ember hornet
or just slide instead of blocking
echo turtle
tht IS synergy to the quiet bois
ember hornet
I just do the ole jerk and slide with illisi
echo turtle
in those OH SHIT moments you can’t just generate peril
ember hornet
keep high peril
unique barn
Sometimes the group is terrible. Solid 4s, you don't need it.
spice veldt
you can also say no to bullets sometimes https://streamable.com/pxqay1
unique barn
So another 'back in the day' was running 1 health, 2 wounds, and yoloing occasionally.
ember hornet
you will get mixed opinions
unique barn
(with a good group)
ember hornet
some people run health
cyan portal
+3 stam and kinetic deflection is op, imo
spice veldt
I like 2 tough and +stam (since I don't run kinetic deflection)
echo turtle
I am wondering how viable it would be to build completely around the illisi
unique barn
exploding has its uses, and it's a free regen with high wounds
echo turtle
using wild fire and AB to keep up stacks of slaughterer
unique barn
even in damnation
cyan portal
using wild fire and AB to keep up stacks of slaughterer
its a meme that works but isn't great
echo turtle
oh, dont take would curios lol
ember hornet
I am wondering how viable it would be to build completely around the illisi
I run 311211 just for this puspose
echo turtle
its a meme that works but isn't great
Yeah I was trying that before with the obscurus a but and it just didnt work
spice veldt
wildfire has some bugged behavior and has a hidden limit where it doesn't target enemies that already have 4 or more soulblaze stacks
echo turtle
maybe on heresy
spice veldt
it also attempts to distribute the soulblaze stacks as evenly as possible across multiple enemies, so that works against the exponential nature of soulblaze
cyan portal
wildfire only good if you're boosting it with slaughterer 4 to make it lethal vs hordes and thus infinitely spreading. Otherwise it peters out very quick
echo turtle
thats the idea yeah
unique barn
maybe on heresy
Yeah it's mixed, Damnation no. But some fun with exploding to reset health.
unique barn
Only class that can legit regain health at will.
ember hornet
smh so many quicken haters
echo turtle
Quicken sucks
spice veldt
ur not even real
ember hornet
I'll be over here spamming force push, I can't hear you
cold geode
surge staff should get a beefier version of the show stopper blessing
unique barn
smh so many quicken haters
I used to run it, but I'm being converted?
spice veldt
yeah i can't hear you either cuz ur not real
cyan portal
quicken good in the right build, I use it with void for infinite secondary flurry spam.
ember hornet
in reality quicken isn't super great, but it's fun and works well with illisi spam
spice veldt
quicken unfortunately doesn't work with my playstyle
I do like the appeal of being able to spam your ult though
echo turtle
Battery and tranq are better peril management than quicken
ember hornet
it's not for peril management
ember hornet
yeah
more time to whack crushers or elite packs etc lol
or run up to shooters etc
but, the better BB one is generally gonna be better
unique barn
like it is a cycle for wrath, but wrath isn't awesome
ember hornet
as a real psyker
spice veldt
psyker's ult is nice for saving yourself from dogs
unique barn
if you're not running surge
ember hornet
I mean, sometimes a teammate is dogged like 20m away in a horde
unique barn
then let him die, idiot
ember hornet
or press F
cyan portal
dogs easy with purga, just channel into their face and they never land. ult good for saving teammates from dogs though.
spice veldt
then let him die, idiot
no
ember hornet
sometimes shit happens https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1bgWVp9TpshzWz/d1337oHWchMz?invite=cr-MSxlUE4sMTU3ODYzOTYwLA
unique barn
dude if you're way out and get dogged, it is not for anyone to fix
ember hornet
20m is not very far
spice veldt
it isn't anyone's responsibility to fix
cyan portal
a diving dagger zealot (played well) is locking down all the shooters. saving him from dog is fair trade.
spice veldt
but I still want to win the game if possible
cyan portal
ult is 30m, through walls and floors
spice veldt
whether I like it or not, an extra teammate is usually a boon to the winrate
unique barn
ya but we're talking about optimal here
ember hornet
hell I probably start most fights nearly 20m away
cause I press F on zealot
to get the shooties
unique barn
fuckin zealots 😄
ember hornet
and elites
spice veldt
i'd consider win rate part of optimality
cyan portal
it is really better to start engagement as close as possible, hardest runs are with a vet or etc that pulls everything from max range.
unique barn
pull rooms/clear
ember hornet
holding W pretty much wins all games except for shock
unique barn
lol
spice veldt
I try to rush ahead of the team cuz I know those fuckers will take the worst engagements possible
cyan portal
its true though, killing and moving forward constantly is optimal
ember hornet
I try to rush ahead of the team cuz I know those fuckers will take the worst eng...
meanwhile look behind, 3 teammates hitting a bulwark shield
spice veldt
or 2 teammates attempting to circle around a bulwark at the same time
ember hornet
lol
unique barn
The game is trivial, unless 4/5.
spice veldt
but the bulwark is matching them and they can't hit it from behind
unique barn
so sure
cyan portal
bb bulwark to open him up for your teammates to finish
echo turtle
I had to play on the other characters to understand how Op BB is
unique barn
eh
ember hornet
surge staff users surging bulwarks as they enter their attack animation when I'm baiting a hammer one shot
echo turtle
Dropping bulwarks and crushers like they are nothing
echo turtle
surge staff users surging bulwarks as they enter their attack animation when I'm...
LOL
spice veldt
surge staff users surging bulwarks as they enter their attack animation when I'm...
imagine not maining the class that always has a weapon that guarantees kills on bulwarks
imagine frustrating yourself on bulwarks
cyan portal
in low difficulties bb is 1 shot dmg, in damn the stun function becomes far more significant
unique barn
did they buff th?
spice veldt
and I hated using the bolter
echo turtle
Even in Damnation, Ill still spam Bbs happily to delete ogryn
echo turtle
interrupting tho, yes is fight winning
ember hornet
did they buff th?
it's seen a few buffs
unique barn
cool
echo turtle
yeah, it was always my fave zealot weapon
cyan portal
th with thrust is currently bugged
unique barn
was a big disappoint
echo turtle
th with thrust is currently bugged
sad
unique barn
yeah, it was always my fave zealot weapon
it was superbad for months
cyan portal
gives 50 power per stack instead of 20
ember hornet
it's bugged in a "good" way
echo turtle
it was always ok
ember hornet
it was superbad for months
nah, I've mained it since closed beta, it was never bad just missing a couple things here and there
and is hard to roll a good one
which is why people thought it was extra bad
unique barn
Even maxed out it didn't kill trash
cyan portal
TH with thurst and slaughterer is a fun time
ember hornet
it does not kill all trash without slaughterer
the lights anyhow
it currently one shots beast of nurgle though
unique barn
compared to like power sword, lol
ember hornet
50% thrust stacks
unique barn
infinite cleave
spice veldt
they removed the infinite cleave a while back
unique barn
good
cyan portal
TH is a specialist build, requires teammates to do some things, but deals with monsters like nothing else can.
ember hornet
hammer deletes pretty much everything in the game, just slow horde clear
unique barn
no i haven't played in 3-4 months, hence my initial question
idle aurora
hammer deletes pretty much everything in the game, just slow horde clear
nerf Inc 💀
spice veldt
they also nerfed it to 1 swing per activation instead of 2 without power cycler, though they also added a t3 power cycler to make it easier to get
unique barn
Anyway, thanks for the info, glad the game is improving the obvious deficits.
echo turtle
yeah its in a much better place
idle aurora
I actually really wander if they wil fix thrust or just leave it as is
echo turtle
especially for wizards
cyan portal
it is possible they buffed it on purpose but didn't update tooltip, who knows with fartshack
safe crystal
They'll definitely fix thrust, because the new content patch involves a monstrosity. Cant have the playerbase immediately make a joke out of it
spice veldt
that's a good point
spice veldt
surviving 1 more swing will make it seem pretty impressive
cyan portal
that is optimistically logical, will see tonight i guess
safe crystal
Yeah, doesnt really change much with my shit aim, so
I hated shooting those things in VT with BH
ember hornet
it is possible they buffed it on purpose but didn't update tooltip, who knows wi...
no, it's a bug - they changed thrust to melee power in the default implementation which also has 50% as the default value, but they did not change any weapons to use the melee power variable
so all tiers of all thrust are 50% rn
cyan portal
lol, yeah I guess that needs fixing then
ember hornet
they should have released a 1 line hotfix that reverted the variable change 3 weeks ago
but
cold geode
the last time they did that we go slyndergryn
ember hornet
they got mad people were using thrust to buff the flamer
cyan portal
If I were boss I'd nerf all the power blessings to each cap at 50 max.
ember hornet
but then hammer lights don't one shot bucket heads
and then I can't 1 shot crushers without carapace perk
ember hornet
Reddit approved
brb switching to headtaker
ionic frost
If I were boss I'd nerf all the power blessings to each cap at 50 max.
And buff heavy sword to make up for it's nerf to headtaker?
cyan portal
Nah, just to make the game an actual challenge, like it isn't atm.
ember hornet
currently hsword becomes 260% hsword with headtaker and rampage
3 lights to kill 13+ poxwalkers
ionic frost
how long to kill 1 flak rager or 3 crushers?
cyan portal
nerfing all the power buffs would pretty much level the unbalanced things, and put most things in a pretty viable spot.
ionic frost
and what about brutal momentum decimator heavy axe?
ember hornet
flak rager, idk 2 or 3 hits
crusher literally just use bolter and press F, or many other ranged options with F
ionic frost
ah so bolter needs a huge nerf
ember hornet
ah so bolter needs a huge nerf
I could post the clip of killing 17 crushers in 1 flamer mag post nerf too...
cold geode
at this point im glad you dont work at FS, the game would be 4 people in a room full of enemies with a fucking foam sword between them
ionic frost
I could post the clip of killing 17 crushers in 1 flamer mag post nerf too...
yes, my flamer can do that too
ember hornet
exactly
ionic frost
overpressure + blaze away
ember hornet
therefore there are options
ionic frost
gotta nerf em all!
obtuse cliff
Is there a secret to getting Blessed by Fate? I keep clearing peril at 100% with ult but the penance is not counting up. Do I need to wait for the "hand shake"?
ember hornet
it's not nerfing, it's balance
cold geode
wait till your hands come up before hitting the F key, it should work
spice veldt
well both
ionic frost
Is there a secret to getting Blessed by Fate? I keep clearing peril at 100% with...
wait til the animation starts
ember hornet
just make a harder difficulty if you want all the weapons to be braindead easy spam
obtuse cliff
Sigh, damn I played so many games just clearing at 100%. ugh..
cold geode
I just stood in a 1 at the start and powered up till i was going to pop over and over again
ionic frost
let's reduce everything to chainaxe level horde clear
spice veldt
it's undeniable that some weapons are better than others by a significant margin
bro no one is suggesting that
ember hornet
these are the people that complained when psword got nerfed
spice veldt
why are you taking it to the extremes?
cyan portal
I don't think the majority of players should be able to clear the hardest difficulty, because if they can it is trivial for the best players. The average player should be at 4, imo. There would be an ocean of salt if I were boss.
ionic frost
trying to understand what power level you want things to be reduced to
cold geode
IT TAKES AWAY FROM MY ENJOYMENT OF THE GAME TO KNOW OTHER PEOPLE CAN DO THE THINGS THAT I DO!
spice veldt
with that snark? sure
ionic frost
should devil claw sword be the standard flak damage level?
formal ridge
higher skill weapons should be higher damage/power
ionic frost
it is armour after all
spice veldt
I'm fine with melee weapons having good anti-armour
ember hornet
I mean, Illisi is cool and all but I shouldn't be able to do everything with it better than almost every other weapon in the game
spice veldt
since there's the whole shebang of getting close to them
ember hornet
make weapons have upsides and downsides
formal ridge
but theres hardly any skill in this game, point and click
ember hornet
make them more interactive than strong weapons are spammable
spice veldt
weapons with less base damage and higher weakspot multipliers like the IAGs
and reducing the effectiveness of low-skill weapons like the flamethrowers
olive ember
🤔 are arcotash and lazorr teaming up
ember hornet
I genuinely think hammer is a good example, granted I might also nerf it's unyielding/monstrosity damage a bit
burnt tapir
thoughts on Toughness feat for flamestaff?
ember hornet
and slight increase cleave damage
cyan portal
thoughts on Toughness feat for flamestaff?
you mean the first row?
burnt tapir
ye
olive ember
and slight increase cleave damage
All 3 work, people generally use 3 nowadays tho
And it replies to the wrong message
cyan portal
Any option viable, depends on playstyle which will be most useful for you.
olive ember
Thx discord
burnt tapir
I generally run Warp absorption with most staffs, but unsure cause I don't think the burn damage counts and killing with Warp attacks
burnt tapir
ah, then it's probably fine I guess
Someone said Essence Harvest doesn't stack, so it seems terrible
cyan portal
imo quietude is best because you can control it to get toughness when you actually need it.
burnt tapir
30% over 5 sec is really slow
spice veldt
if you BB a lot then it's decent
ember hornet
wait essence doesn't stack, but the vet version does?
spice veldt
ye
ember hornet
