psyker-class

[fresh steeple]

point is, Codex, you should try out Trauma at some point

and tbh those stats are good enough for you to try it out with specifically that one. You'll do slightly less damage with casts, but the fundamental experience should be the same in terms of castability since you got the most important stats at near max

[karmic delta]

You guys use inner tranquility and warp battery for Trauma?

[spice veldt]

I personally run Warp Unleashed + Aura + Flayer since I have a melee-focused build

Trauma, as a support weapon, is sufficient without needing to dedicate feats, at least for my purposes

[karmic delta]

Psychic aura?

[spice veldt]

ye the feat below communion

[karmic delta]

Bro thats literally the same setup we had for Trauma

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

[karmic delta]

Though I more focused on the Trauma since I pair it with Deimos

[spice veldt]

I got my illisi for clearing out most enemies

witness this god tier stat distribution

[karmic delta]

Consecrate it

[viral solstice]

o hell yea its a 7 too

[spice veldt]

I refuse

[viral solstice]

what?

7 is based

[spice veldt]

I'll leave it to rot in my inventory

[viral solstice]

have u seen the optimal 7 single target combo

[spice veldt]

suffer in damnation

[viral solstice]

[spice veldt]

no

but do show

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/12G88oSpUFKvX-/d1337HAyWjlG?invite=cr-MSwzZlEsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[karmic delta]

So devil claw 1 is purely cc right

[viral solstice]

this gives u roughly 7% more dps

than light heavy light

[fresh steeple]

Agreed with Arco. If oyu're using Trauma as a support for primarily melee, you want WU+Aura. Dunno about Flayer, but I know Arco doesn't like using BB, so that sorta makes sense as to why

[karmic delta]

4 is balanced. 7 single target focused

[viral solstice]

7 and 4 have identical horde clear times

[fresh steeple]

if you're running it with a primary ranged focus, I would run 321113

[viral solstice]

because

devil claws

and there's almost nothing better than light heavy on 4 and heavy light on 7 which is insanely depressing

have you ever tested the 20 poxwalker clear time on an optimal devil claw 4

its

depressing

[karmic delta]

I do run WU and aura. But I kept kinetic flayer on since I have T4 rending and I cant be bothered to brain burst anything but far off enemies, slugs, Plogryn, and shields

[viral solstice]

so that is the normal light heavy combo

[karmic delta]

Its good?

[viral solstice]

7 has a strikedown light

that u want to get to

its fucking awful

a devil claw is barely better thoan left click spamming on a shovel

[karmic delta]

The strikedown and relentless combo is nice on the mark 4 heavy attacks

[viral solstice]

well ok so theres this weird thing about the lights

the specific values

are diff

so eg the 3rd light on 7 does as much damage as a strikedown heavy on a weakpoint

and it's a folllowup from the pushattack

[fresh steeple]

you're primarily melee, then?

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/12G9c3x_T9avRL/d1337R0D5oOd?invite=cr-MSxHWUcsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

this is the "optimal" dc7 combo

now i want you to note this dc7 is like 3% off perfect

[karmic delta]

I run Deimos so no. I just use ths Trauma for basically everything. I also have sustained fire I think on it

[viral solstice]

so if u do a light heavy push attack cancel rotation u can get

[fresh steeple]

then I heartily disagree with your choices

[viral solstice]

350 dps

meanwhile on literally any other melee weapon...

[karmic delta]

Mark 4 3rd light attack right?

[karmic delta]

Thats fine. I have fun with it daily

[viral solstice]

yeah they both have it

but 7 chains into that light from the push attack as a followup

[fresh steeple]

I'm just saying, if you have a Warp Flurry Trauma, that you're going to have a lot more fun with Inner Tranq and Warp Battery

the difference in your long-term casting sustain is absolutely MASSIVE

[karmic delta]

Tried warp flurry on Trauma. Noticed I lose my stacks immediately after quelling for even a single tap. I switched ever since

[fresh steeple]

you don't want to quell

the whole point is to not quell

[viral solstice]

so you go push attack -> followup -> light 1 -> strikedown heavy (2) -> strikedown light 3 -> push attack

[fresh steeple]

you dodge your way into a defensible position and cast 25 times in a single peril bar

[karmic delta]

Nah

[fresh steeple]

the quell from your burst will not break Flurry

so you can get 14-15 casts from 0 to 100 assuming no kills, and substantially more if you get procs of 10% quelling

[viral solstice]

but yeah 4 and 7 are basically very very similar other than 7 feeling weird and having more push attack focus and having the initial heavy sweep - that is identical to dc4 second sweep - being slower to come out

[karmic delta]

Ive been rocking the 4 and its been fun from the monotony of the Power sword

[viral solstice]

their strikedowns are also identical

the heavies

in damage terms

[karmic delta]

Though I hate dreg bruisers because of their helmets

[viral solstice]

dude devil claws are just

i use them so much

and they are just so weirdly bad

the only thing they have going for them

is ok maniac damage

but then their maniac damage is worse than all the good horde clear melees

i've used them since beta

and it's just so sad that I'm on my vet and I have a godroll dc4 or 7

savage sweep rampage

and i'm last man standing in a damnation game fighting JUST a horde and all i can think is

"god this is fucking slow"

that's the one thing

it should be good at! they're naked bathrobe bois! it's a fuckin jungle machete!

even worse

the unique signature blessing on devil claws

so i bug reported that blessing being stagger

because it used to say damage

literally next update

they changed the tooltip to stagger

do u know which weapon in the game has the most impact/stagger blessings

i'll give you a hint

its not a fucking hammer

[karmic delta]

Shovel

[viral solstice]

ITS THE DEVIL CLAW

[karmic delta]

I don't know why we cant have slaughterer on it. Like man. When im dealing with hordes. I just think "imagine how fast this would end with an antax v bromentum"

[viral solstice]

they need to remove brutal momentum tbh

they spend all this time putting in a full hitmass and cleave system

balance weapons around it

then put in a blessing that literally ignores it

"what if the very good single target axe also had better horde clear than every single generic horde clear weapon that isn't the heavy sword"

theres'

yeah idk what they were thinking

[karmic delta]

To give the single target weapons some cc viability i suppose

[spice veldt]

420 balance it

[viral solstice]

i mean

the thing is brutal momentum is also on the heavy sword

not that it needs it because of its inherently high cleave and broken ass 75% power headtaker

[karmic delta]

Misplaced blessings idk

[viral solstice]

but consider this

on the heavy sword u can get deathblow - which is literally brutal momentum with a different name, ignore hit mass for 4.5s on weakspot kill

u can also get

perfect strike

now have u ever heard of perfect strike?

no.

because it does this: ignore hit mass from armour on critical hit

think about that for a moment

these two blessings exist... on the same weapon... that doesn't have finesse or any inherent crit blessings or scaling...

[karmic delta]

Imagine one of them on the devil claw. I want DC's to be good. Its so fun to use

[viral solstice]

i mean thats the funny thing

devil claw has perfect strike... but good

devastating strike

and it's still bad

most juiced crit build on devil claw gets u idk 50% crit on a zealot. so if u build entirely for it u get half the power of brutal momentum

and ur optimal 20 poxwalker kill time

ends up about equivalent... to an obscurus force sword with slaughterer

🙂

[karmic delta]

Obscurus. The unwanted middle child....
Devil claws are so sad. Like it took too long what an Illisi and other excellent melees can do

[spice veldt]

and a weapon having "assassination" attacks competing with it

[viral solstice]

in general like they should stick to their guns

don't put in blessings that literally ignore mechanics that are meant to be replicating like, the feel of the world

dont put in a blessing that says "opt out of physics"

[spice veldt]

ghost be like

[viral solstice]

with gunshots its kinda more

u dont know if u should be hit or not right

so more fudget

but when u swing a weapon into a horde of dudes

and u literally can just mash left click and never care

its just like u spend all this time and effort making this finely delineated system to make people feel waht they're doing

then violate it

[spice veldt]

yeah at least with ghost you have to actually aim

the banger that puzzled me the most was the nerfing of devastating strike but not to brutal momentum

[viral solstice]

i think it's just limited time

not considered just what they got to

somebody on the team saw devstrike being absurd

and got it

but bm was sleeper

and it really was if you think back to beta/early december

very few people were abusing it

partly because there was much less reason to with the various classes

psykers were all using force or duelling swords that dont' get it

vets were all using power swords because lmao

and the major bm winners - combat axes - weren't that common on zealot because most ppl were using KNOIFE

or evis

[fresh steeple]

sorry to jump back to this, because it's bothered me upon thinking of it more

unless there was a fix I'm not aware of

[karmic delta]

I mean i dont think a simple reduce the time of the ignore hit mass is a sufficient nerf

[fresh steeple]

Sustained Fire doesn't actually do anything for Trauma

[karmic delta]

I know

[fresh steeple]

why... why would you run it with SF, then? 😛

[karmic delta]

I forgor to switch

And warp flurry does nothing anyway to how I play trauma

[fresh steeple]

not arguing for Warp Flurry

arguing against Sustained Fire

[karmic delta]

So i dont even bother myself remembering

[fresh steeple]

People get good results from Blazing Spirit+Warp Nexus

[karmic delta]

Yep

[viral solstice]

i think they should just make brutal momentum something liek this

if u think about conceptually how an axe works

it's like imagine if brutal momentum was this

"weapon cleaves on weakspot kill, dealing primary damage to the next target struck. can activate more than once"

now

think about how cool and thematic and different that is

to other cleavbe blessings

primary damage: taking advantage of the fact the weapon has really good first target damage, while not requiring you to buff the cleave distribution or number of secondary targets hit to get a huge effective reduction in horde hp if you can hit multiple beefy targets

[crude cape]

hows this for now? obv i would like one with tier 4 blessings but

[cyan notch]

aint nobody got time to put all that shit into tooltips

it aint gonna happen

[karmic delta]

So it deals primary damage based on the rating of the first target stat?

[fresh steeple]

looks fine

better with Unstable Power

[sturdy quest]

recently discovered the glory of illis power sword

which staff would you guys say goes best with it?

[viral solstice]

yeah so the idea would be you just get to hit the next target as if they were the first target again

[sturdy quest]

i've been using trauma since they cover great at mid range

[near wyvern]

@sturdy quest

Ranged has horde clear -> Deimos
Ranged lacks horde clear -> Illisi

[viral solstice]

because of cleave falloff this is very competitive in horde hp reduction up to quite a few targets

especially if you are dealing with eg scab bruisers

[crude cape]

instead of deflector? i always liked deflector

[karmic delta]

So the damage falls off heavily on the 3rd target?

[viral solstice]

well if you one shot the next target with a weakspot hit you would hit the third target for primary damage again

u could limit it to like 3 times or something

[crude cape]

I do have tier 4 unstable learned and tier 3 slaughter, so i could make another but could be hard lol

[karmic delta]

Stats perks and blessings are good. Slaughterer is one of the best things to have on the Illisi

[viral solstice]

but that's way more interesting and fun than bm

because now you're actually benefiting from having good aim and feeling like an executioner

i lopped off 3 heads in one swing

it rewards using heavier moves to horde clear with because they are more likely to one shot on weakspot

it gives you incentives to know when you're going to hit a ws kill breakpoint to get free bigboi splash

[cyan notch]

nah bm is more fun i like hitting 70 zombies

[viral solstice]

go home ur drunk

[fresh steeple]

Illisi can keep max peril very easily

[viral solstice]

and those zombies dont like u

[fresh steeple]

and thus get a flat 20% power boost on top of Slaughterer

[cyan notch]

you probably are gonna be ultra limited by movesets with that tho

[karmic delta]

Thats a good tradeoff

[crude cape]

probs using the surge staff, but maybe void or trauma.
been a deimos/purg main for a while
should I be 3111/213?

[fresh steeple]

with Illisi?

[viral solstice]

i think it would be better on achlys but after thinking about it it's not so bad on rashad / antax because their lights do so much weakspot damage to the primary target even if it was limited to only 3 triggers you are getting a LOT of damage out of it in a horde

so an unperked rashad is one shotting a poxwalker on a light

so if u could trigger that and one shot 3-4 of them

thats uh

fucking outrageous levels of total damage

[crude cape]

ya, the one i posted above for now

[viral solstice]

way better than bm lol

but we keep this quiet

[fresh steeple]

311113 would be fine. If you run 3121_3, I would probably do what Arco does and take Flayer over Warp Battery so that you don't have to BB often

[cyan notch]

less horde control

[viral solstice]

yeah

exactly

and that to me is a great balance

because eg antax push attack DOES have great horde control

now we have what the people might call "tradeoffs"

in fact even if that blessing could only trigger once

that's the equivalent of hitting like 8 more poxwalkers with the cleave falloff of bm

but yeah i just think they need more time makin stuff feel diff

[cyan notch]

i mean if ur comparing total damage yea

[viral solstice]

i am indeed

and that would be a very good "feeling" difference

if you're going blendermode with a heavysword every yombie in front of you getting slashed up

flinched

[crude cape]

so basically giving up 6 stacks for flayer, and grabbing the reduction in cooldown on wrath, i feel like you could interchange lacerations with that too if you really wanted.

so you're giving up max potential damage to be more "fire and forget" in the build sort of? Because kinetic flayer is more reliable than Psychic Communion, right?

I can't help but feel however that reducing the cooldown of wrath, but also wanting to BB less seems odd though when running kinectic barrage

[viral solstice]

with an axe you have to shove and be more of a brawler then 2 people get their fuckin heads chopped off

[fresh steeple]

Barrage is there because it doesn't punish you for using your burst

Quicken does

and in the event that you really need to fall back and pop some gunner heads, you can do so with a KB

with Psykinetic Aura you'll typically have your Unleash off cooldown anyway

[cyan portal]

Bm is only broken for axe because it doesn't have falling of damage for cleave. The obvious fix is to give it slightly more inherent cleave with big fall off on the final target. Bm is fine on other weapons.

[fresh steeple]

so all Quicken is really doing for you in that circumstance is hobbling you by removing your charges constantly

same with Blaze

[viral solstice]

it does have damage falling off

eg rashad light 1 is 33 damage by target 3

it doesnt have a hard damage cap

eg rashad light1 vs poxwalkers

[cyan notch]

other weapons nuke through everything with bm too

[karmic delta]

Give BM target cap at the very least

4 is a nice balance

[cyan portal]

What's the table for the axe V?

[cyan notch]

i think this makes sense for the tac axe playstyle

[viral solstice]

antax

theres no diff just less crit and weakspot damage because no finesse bar

[cyan notch]

put that bm on tac axes and remove it from combat axes and give combat axes more default cleave

[viral solstice]

that could work too

[cyan notch]

cuz big axe kinda swing and smash through stuff

[viral solstice]

yeah

they just really shouldn't be in the area of "passing through stuff and tickling them"

which is where bm ends up

[cyan portal]

Whats the tac axe II table?

[viral solstice]

light 1

the only weapons that have really good cleave falloff are things like heavy sword lights

so u can see it takes 5 targets to reach minimum and the minimum relative to the initial hit is quite high

[cyan notch]

or like power sword

[viral solstice]

yeah charged power sword is still underrated because people dont realise just how broken it is

to hit 9 targets for 300

[cyan portal]

I don't see bm run on powerswords, I guess because cycle is just stronger?

[lunar hollow]

some people every now and then do a hipster psword setup

[viral solstice]

well because the activation gives you like, so much default cleave

the marginal return of bm is low

[lunar hollow]

where they run slaught/brutal momentum

and never activate or activate once

[viral solstice]

basically bm on power sword is good if you were fighting hyper-density

[lunar hollow]

i guess theyre trying to prove something to someone cuz its just kinda pointless

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/10v8Xq0J87ijQf/d1337nuiWItn?invite=cr-MSwyOTcsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

eg here is how long it takes my dogshit powersword 3 with no power cycler to kill 50 melee cultists

with bm

the thing is in game u just never need to hit this many things at once so it's just not run

marginal return too low

[lunar hollow]

theres like one time hyperdensity really happens, no?

waterfalling

[viral solstice]

yeah but even that is like

if u have power cycler 3 charged attacks in a row with slaught

[lunar hollow]

psword kills just as fast as they fall

[viral solstice]

is hitting...

idk 20 zombies a swing

[lunar hollow]

yeah its pointless

[viral solstice]

so yeah bm on power sword is actually VERY functional it's just not a good fit for the mechanics of the weap

here btw

this is the damage chart

for a ps3

[cyan portal]

Tbh I don't really get the hype around bm. It seems ok but it's not like killing chaff is hard and it still grips on armor because it's only ignoring hit mass.

[viral solstice]

with slaught active

[lunar hollow]

theres uh

like 1 weapon its good on

[viral solstice]

that's 190 CLEAVE MINIMUM

[lunar hollow]

and it transform it from a weapon with a niche

[viral solstice]

i mean bm is good on the 2 weapons that have it that need cleave

[lunar hollow]

into a weapon that will kill literally everything in the game

[viral solstice]

u would always run bm on taxes and caxes

u dont run bm on heavy swords

[lunar hollow]

oh yeah taxe too

[viral solstice]

because like power sword

they already have broken cleave

but u can go headtaker / deathblow and it's still perfectly decent in that it gives u free light swings into hyper-density

with no hitstop from armour

[lunar hollow]

i still dont understand why brutal momentum is a blessing with no stacking buff

[viral solstice]

it's just less preferred than rampage because that situation is so rare

[lunar hollow]

one would think that the spirit of a brutal momentum kinda weapon is to get better at something the more u kill and the bigger of a streak you're on

[cyan notch]

well the momentum is keeping your buff up

[lunar hollow]

well no that wasnt always the case

[cyan notch]

every 4.5s get a hs kill

[lunar hollow]

cuz it used to be you couldnt refresh it till it was over

me no like how fatshark names some of the blessings

[crude cape]

going into a high int shock troop with that illy, and a surge with 311113

see how it goes

[karmic delta]

Try running Antax V with BM + Headtaker/Decimator. You'll see what the hype is

tip: keep hitting heads

[crude cape]

why antax over rashad?

[cyan portal]

I prefer 322113 with surge. If you're bbing elites you have ult up about when speed buff ends, and 6 stacks resist really helps do more cc which is the priority.

[karmic delta]

antax because its my preference

[cyan portal]

I run purga and illisi, so not likely to be impressed. But I'm sure it's a step up if you're coming from most other things.

[crude cape]

gotcha, any reason why? feel like rashad has better dmg/pen and similar patterns, i couldn't see an upside to antax.
granted, my experience on it is on a zealot

i use nothing but force swords on psyker lol

[viral solstice]

antax used to be the one everybody used because rashad had broken hitbox priority until last patch

[cyan portal]

I believe Rashads weak spot reg was bugged and the meta hasn't caught up with the fix?

[viral solstice]

so a lot of people just prefer antax cos theyre used to it

[karmic delta]

I mean yeah compared to the the other meta melees the Antax isnt an Illisi. it has the advantage of not being a powerful force/power weapon. It doesnt need a special activation to reach its full power.

Antax, Rashad, and the Heavy swords are among them

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1axRb4lcEHeEV8/d1337swSQ7Xh?invite=cr-MSw0Rk8sMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

who needs a goofy force sword activation

i got arms

[crude cape]

abusing thrust bug tho, right?

[viral solstice]

oh yeah, without thrust that would be 1600

no

bit higher

[cyan portal]

I want high peril though, so that sounds like a downside.

[crude cape]

purge +deimos > purge illisi. All hail the mighty boop

[karmic delta]

its not a go to pick on Psykers. Mainly Vets and Zealots

[viral solstice]

that rashad 3shots a crusher noncrit weakspot with no messing around before thrust bug

[obtuse moth]

antax still has its pros compared to illisi, i just wish it swung a tad faster

[cyan portal]

Maybe, I enjoy the moveset, spamable peril, and not animation locking and special cleave of the illisi though.

[karmic delta]

I think thats where Rashad comes in

[karmic delta]

With deimos you can just activate > switch to range > switch to melee > activate
granted its more work but it works

[obtuse moth]

you dont need to use the animation lock since you just do the pokes. you can qq cancel the special activation but its def not the same

[cyan portal]

And at high buffs the illisi will still one hit muties, but they get chopped in half which is cooler

[obtuse moth]

eh requiring 3+ stacks of slaughterer is not the same thing

[spice veldt]

though situations that involve a bunch of enemies and mutants are the of the more concerning variety

[cyan portal]

With purga you get max slaughter pretty much as soon as switching to fs

[spice veldt]

so it does often happen that you have slaughterer stacks for mutants

[obtuse moth]

thats because you're melee focused

often youll need to immediately switch from whatever stafff or brain burst youre usgin

to killing a mutie

[cyan portal]

Yeah, but switching off purga means as things burn to death you get max slaughter before you've even swung it

[spice veldt]

you could also just preemptively swap to your melee to build stacks

it's not as though the illisi falls behind that much

[viral solstice]

or u simply kill the mutant

with ur mind

like this

negative energy

[spice veldt]

it takes roughly 1.3 seconds to activate your special and heavy

[viral solstice]

sent right at him

[spice veldt]

not too bad to swing your heavy and build some slaughterer stacks, even if it has wonky behavior where you won't get the appropriate amount of stacks for each enemy killed

[obtuse moth]

That's over staff of four + Brain burst

Definitely not the same use case for me, not needing a prerequisite that's not always in my control

[cyan portal]

I think demos vs illisi just comes down to which you enjoy, they're both exceptionally effective.

[spice veldt]

and the benefit of soulblaze being a DoT means that it will keep on ticking

takes 8 or so seconds for the stacks to begin decreasing

[viral solstice]

yeah all of the weapons are beautiful angles

[obtuse moth]

They're very different approaches

That you use in different scenarios

Both very viable but not the same

[cyan portal]

If there aren't a ton of things burning to death the situation is calm enough that killing a mutie in two swings is fine. It's when shit is intense that it matters and illisi does it's job.

[karmic delta]

nah it comes down to whos Illisi and Deimos is cooler

theres no middle ground arguments here in Psyker chat

[obtuse moth]

You're assuming I'm using any soulblaze

[cyan portal]

The premise of the debate was which fs pairs best with purga

[karmic delta]

obscurus

[obtuse moth]

I was talking about this

[viral solstice]

to be fair its an impossible argument because u should never use purg because i fucking hate having that staff on my team so much when im trying to use my EYEBALLS

[karmic delta]

just yesterday this one Psyker kept trying to purgatus literally everything. even when the enemies are very close to him

I dont mind purge but homie. use your melee too xd

[cyan portal]

Purga in melee range is great though, against most enemies

[obtuse moth]

You're don't have to, especially if you mindfully use left click which most psykers underutilize

[karmic delta]

purge left click does good stagger right

[cyan portal]

Fair, yeah with other setups maybe illisi not as good.

Left and right both have good stagger, left better in some situations.

[obtuse moth]

Purge can CC very well

I don't even push poxbursters with melee

[cyan portal]

Left good to stagger a single target, like a bomber or trapper winding up to break their animation. But you can't sweep with left, so if you want to stagger everything around you use right.

[obtuse moth]

You can quell cancel left click on high pressure situation or use left click to make space to quell

Nah you can use it to stunblock or push back groups

[cyan portal]

Left on hits what you're aiming directly at when you click, right has a window of time

So with right you can stun in like 180 degrees

[obtuse moth]

I find most of the cc comes from the initial burst whether you use left or right

[cyan portal]

I find pushing over pox bursters unreliable with purga though, is there a trick to making it reliable?

[obtuse moth]

Not spamming

Gotta time it

[cyan portal]

Left click after they jump?

[obtuse moth]

Prolly, I don't do it consciously and I still have backup plans. Didn't have to use them today in high shock though

[cyan portal]

Yeah, it's mostly the hi shock situation of 5 of them at the same time I want to solve with purga if I can.

[obtuse moth]

I'll puff left clicks in multiple directions if I need everything to stop

[cyan portal]

But if just one gets through it's not a viable plan.

[obtuse moth]

Think I might stop right clicking if it gets close so it doesn't have that immunity but I'm not sure

Or I aim it lower down closer to my feet or point it somewhere else

[cyan portal]

Got any clips?

[obtuse moth]

Nah sorry I don't steam so I don't have that stuff setup for dark tide

[cyan portal]

Fair, I guess I'll keep trying things out then if you think there is a possible and reliable solution

[obtuse moth]

I'd just play with it in the creature spawner. If it doesn't work for your situation it's pointless anyway

It's probably a YMMV thing

[cyan portal]

I can push them like 80% of the time, but one occasionally gets through and I'm not sure why, so it's not really safe enough to use.

[obtuse moth]

Stagger resistance

I digress but the ogryn in a match today did something interesting, they'd push and if it failed they would punch the poxburster

[cyan portal]

Lol, if it works it works

[crude cape]

im using my first decent illy and i find it kinda underwhelming? idk what it is, even against horde spam. are you mostly light spamming, or activating + heavy? Heavy spamming without activation? maybe im just used to the deimos' high dmg per strike

[spice veldt]

heavy-special

force swords all have the same stats besides the obscurus' 3rd light and the deimos' 1st light/2nd heavy, so their normal performance will be similar for hordeclear

here's an example of a slaughterer + unstable + 4 warp charge + warp unleashed illisi
https://streamable.com/p9fglb

[obtuse moth]

The rending bug dark affects poxbursters right? I wonder if that's been your 20%

[crude cape]

what is the red 4 part diamons on the ui

[obtuse moth]

Illisi sweeps across heads like it's nothing, heavy heavy or heavy light or heavy qq/2-1 cancel all work well in my experience

And the empowered strike has crazy cleave

[crude cape]

i have deflector on mine, is unstable necessary

[spice veldt]

oh that's the ult indicator from crosshair HUD

[crude cape]

ult indicator? its just a timer?

[cyan portal]

for horde, assuming nothing else, I use special heavy > light to get 5 slaughter, then just heavy light repeat till things are all dead. can throw up another special heavy to get peril up if needed.

[spice veldt]

the only particular breakpoint I know if is just letting you one-shot groaners with the minimum cleave damage

just displays the cooldown of your ultimate yeah

I like it since it takes up less space

[obtuse moth]

Activate special per swing on elite heads as peril permits. It will stagger rangers every time

[obtuse moth]

Slaughterer necessary

[spice veldt]

that video is from like 2 months ago; my UI currently looks like this

yeah unstable power is just a nice thing to have

if I were in the business of winning games, I'd pick deflector over unstable

[crude cape]

this is what i got right now, posted it earlier i think its fine for now ill try to roll one with unstable

or upgrade to slaught4

[obtuse moth]

I find heavy light is safer but heavy heavy kills more when I watch my kill combo counter

[spice veldt]

my basic testing put heavy light at around the same hordeclear as heavy heavy on poxwalkers

[cyan portal]

generally if i'm mowing down a horde I've already got 4 stacks of soulblaze spreading infinitely through them, so they're all dying in one swing anyway. But that is a purga + wildfire specific situation, which I know isn't the most popular.

[obtuse moth]

Ye, but in actual fighting situations I found heavy heavy killed more with how I play

The light attack seemed to generally kill only one target which I found disappointing and the second heavy I think centred around two

I had figured the light would be more effective because of its perfectly horizontal sweep

[crude cape]

trying revolver psyker i think

i have a good revolver

should be fine in a 4 right lollll

[rocky osprey]

Decent roll to hold me over till I get better rng; any recommendations to swap in?

[ornate hamlet]

Slaughterer

I mean first target is a lil low I guess but this is a pretty good Deimos man

I’d change unyielding to 25% maniac

[tight saddle]

Is Flak worth or keep Crit?

[viral solstice]

keep crit its more fun

its like going to the restaurant and ordering TWO drinks

[tight saddle]

that's so much dr pepper wtf

[viral solstice]

i live on the edge

[naive plover]

infinite cobblestone generator

[spice veldt]

hmm, the first target stat on the Illisi does not affect the special's damage to the 1st target

[obtuse moth]

5% crit is equivalent to 5% more burn damage (because you have a 5% increased chance to apply 100% more stacks) until you reach your burn cap. then it mostly does nothing

%damage affects all damage to that enemy type

crit is still better on purg staff than many other weapons in which 5% crit chance is ~ a 1.25% increase in damage

[viral solstice]

when testing or in calc?

i know its not in calc but have never tested it

[spice veldt]

both

[viral solstice]

its possible it doesnt work, they have failed stat applications before like with the shotgun shoot out of reload not being affected by damage stat one

ok yeah bug report taht one

[spice veldt]

i didn't have the exact same stats, but a 60-ish ft illisi did about 790 damage

same went for the 80 ft illisi

[viral solstice]

the shotgun one

was the best tho

the shotgun shot that cancelled ur reload had a separate action entry from the normal shot and it just randomly wasn't affecte dby damage

like

why do ur action templates not default to getting that info cmon

[spice veldt]

interesting

im too scared to learn whether first target not applying to illisi's special is intentional or not

[viral solstice]

pretty sure its not

ft applies to everything u slap with ur sword usually

[spice veldt]

i assume that they did something like copying over power sword's stuff

[viral solstice]

for example

first target applies to ur punch on knife

it applies to thunder hammer powered slap

but you might be right

because power sword doesn't have ft

so if they lifted the profile

good shout

[spice veldt]

oh yeah sanity-checked myself again with 80/80 dmg/finesse illisis with different first target stats and they both dealt the same damage

bug report it is

[crude cape]

pinning fire + what blessing on shredder?

[viral solstice]

blaze away

if blessing say power - monkey neuron activate

[spice veldt]

did u see this bug report yet crab https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-blowing-up-after-revive/79906

sounds like something that I would expect you to integrate into your normal gameplay

[viral solstice]

??

i posted that tech months ago

cmon

[spice veldt]

what

[viral solstice]

u ppl arent following my insta

[spice veldt]

my b my b

but before you truly earn my apology

show me the proof

[viral solstice]

its a 4 month old vid on my medal that has like 600 vids with a title that is probably like "lmao gottem"

im not searchin

[spice veldt]

smh

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/YNA8hd2NmEhu1/d1337TwvEyPd?invite=cr-MSx1SjEsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

but this one kinda related

u get that happen

trying to do this

but fucking up the timing (not based and crabpilled)

did u know the shovel on vet turns u into a psyker btw

[spice veldt]

?

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/10vvxtYFKV4tGb/d1337JtUcK5p?invite=cr-MSx5dUcsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/10vwHUjrcbHWB-/d1337aJ1zU2r?invite=cr-MSxqd0QsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[spice veldt]

interesting

[viral solstice]

u see there telekinesis

and time control (stasis)

[spice veldt]

and no peril cost either

[viral solstice]

exactly

[spice veldt]

damn vets are so strong wtf

[viral solstice]

much too think about

and plasma gives u peril explosion too

[cyan portal]

@obtuse moth just tried out the primary on jumping bursters in a histg, worked really well, not hit by explosion once

[obtuse moth]

oh niiice! good to hear thanks for getting back to me on that

did you do any of the other things? hold off on rmb or aim elsewhere or just the left click timing?

[cold geode]

lightening staff + illis, the most powerful combination!

low int 5 shock gauntlet lol

[cyan portal]

Held off on rmb to leave their stagger fresh. Used lmb quell cancel spam to get a couple puffs in. Waited until they started jumping. Worked really well even when they were jumping at teammates.

[spice veldt]

bonbons take 1320 damage from BB now
plogryns take 1100
daemonhosts still take 770

damn a trauma staff without warp flurry probably won't outdps BB anymore against the bonbon

[cyan portal]

what is a bonbon?

[ionic frost]

beast of nurgle

[hidden crystal]

A small chocolate confection

[sturdy quest]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-eating-delightful-taste-gif-21383868

[cyan portal]

Does anyone know if any psykers have got through damnation hi int stg as true duo yet?

[viral solstice]

they must have done

its 100% possible

[cyan portal]

The only proven duo histg I've seen was zeal + vet, though yeah it is possible

[tight saddle]

what's the submod that adds all those other stats?

[cyan portal]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/126 Just remember to turn off kill counts from normal mod so you don't needlessly duplicate info and fill your screen

[cold geode]

scoreboard
ScoreboardExplosive
ScoreboardDamage
ScoreboardAmmos

[obtuse moth]

quell cancel spam only after they jumped? or just to keep horde at bay,
puffed once after jump?

[cyan portal]

quell cancel spam after jump

[obtuse moth]

ah ok, i havent tried that in awhile

[cyan portal]

made sure horde was dead before they got in range in the normal way

[ornate abyss]

buy?

[obtuse moth]

its cheap but only useful for collecting

doesnt work on RMB

[karmic delta]

aint transfer peril doesnt work on Trauma IIRC?

[obtuse moth]

does, but only left click

[karmic delta]

xd

[obtuse moth]

you can use it for long range quell cancel spamming

[karmic delta]

idk what quell cancel is

[obtuse moth]

if you play with people who aggro from accross the map it can be ok

[karmic delta]

so hooray I guess?

[obtuse moth]

you can animation cancel the aftercasts of your staff aninmations

by tapping quell

immediately after the attack is fired

[ornate abyss]

ok I won't buy it

[obtuse moth]

maybe theyll come out with new trauma mks one day lel

[obtuse moth]

so if the aftertcast of your animation is 30% of your attack time, animation cancelling could be up to a 10/7 increase in dps

[river sand]

thats why the Surge/nexus voidstrike isnt as bad as people say if your quell-canceling is good

[obtuse moth]

i mean surge is still single target if you're talking quell cancel, but thats how it should be used at long range and/or against shooters. its still primarily a melee build

[restive slate]

I've not seen a Surge Blessing ever in all my hours lol

Melk has not been kind and I can't spend as many hours grinding anymore haha

[karmic delta]

the T4 blessing called "Surge"?

[obtuse moth]

oh i read that wrong, thought you were talking about surge staff. flurry transfer peril is still way stronger

[karmic delta]

Found it on my Trauma. Aaaand its only for left click

[viral solstice]

dude

i made like 40 orange voidstrike staves to get it

before the recent patch

took a 5 week break

i consecrated 2 random level 300 voidstrikes to blue

second one hit surge

i was just like

yes mother hadron thank u for this lesson

[restive slate]

Dude

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1ayroOl980bGiE/d1337XRpVC7C?invite=cr-MSxKU0ssMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[tight saddle]

lol HI5 tanked a Demonhost inside a Horde with Deimos and everyone was surprised. If only non-Psykers knew how easy it is with Deimos.

[karmic delta]

"tanked demonhost inside a horde"

Bruh

[tight saddle]

Dodge tanking is a thing in games

[karmic delta]

But you said you tanked a demonhost inside a horse

[tight saddle]

Pretty sure I said inside a Horde, not a Horse

[karmic delta]

Heh silly little misspelling

Tanked demonhost inside a horde

Dodge tanking

Which?

[tight saddle]

Both?

[karmic delta]

So you tanked a demonhost inside a horde. Where's the dodge tanking

[tight saddle]

Tanking is holding aggro and having all attacks be focused on you, whether you're a life steal, dodge, mitigination, iframe, or whatever kind of tanking.

You can dodge inside a Horde, your team and the demonhost are displacing enemies.

You can use terrain to create openings, you can use push/push attacks between Demonhost swings

[karmic delta]

And you expect non Psykers who cant use Deimos even to do the same?

[tight saddle]

No?

Where did you get that from?

[karmic delta]

If only non Psykers....

[tight saddle]

Finish the rest and apply the prior context.

The 3 individuals in that specific game were surprised, if they were Psyker players and used / knew what Deimos can do it wouldn't be surprising to them that Deimos can do that.

[karmic delta]

I mean yeah I did that dodge spamming thing with a deimos too..

[tight saddle]

Yes that's what I just implied, that it's easy to do?

What are you trying to get at lol

[karmic delta]

Yes

That its easy to do?

[tight saddle]

That's what I said with my very first message.

I'll break it down for you.

[karmic delta]

No?

[tight saddle]

They were impressed

I said if they knew how easy it was

that wouldn't be the case

[karmic delta]

They would do it too?

[tight saddle]

You're hung up on something weird

I'm just going to step away from this conversation and stay confused by what you're trying to say/accomplish.

[karmic delta]

I dont know whats yours either...

[cyan notch]

how do u dodge in a horde

[karmic delta]

With faith

[cyan notch]

are you actually in the horde

[tight saddle]

Yes, openings appear inside a horde when your team is still alive doing things.

[karmic delta]

So you dodge a horde and a demonhost

[tight saddle]

Even if you can't get out of the horde there are enough displacements inside the horde to dodge around.

Yes

[karmic delta]

Oh

[tight saddle]

no

[cyan notch]

i doubt it

[karmic delta]

Huh

[tight saddle]

I was stuck in the Horde when the Horde aggros from my VS explosion

[cyan notch]

do u have a clip

[tight saddle]

No

[karmic delta]

And a demonhost aggroed you after that

[tight saddle]

Yes and I couldn't get to my team because I was in the Horde dodging around while my team tried their best to get me out but I couldn't so I just dodged around in what few openings appeared here and there.

Eventually they killed the Horde and then we kill the Demonhost

But while it was all happening I was tanking it inside the horde while dodging.

[karmic delta]

Oh ok

[tight saddle]

Why is this so hard to get?

[olive ember]

Alright GAMERS what do we expect tmrw for the funny content patch

[karmic delta]

You didnt phrase the full context right. And we're working on the lack of it xd

Al right moving on

[karmic delta]

SEASON 1 CONTENT

[cyan notch]

u sure we getting a patch

i thought its just commlink

[karmic delta]

Right yeah I got too excited

Comm link tomorrow, then late May the content

[cyan notch]

late may changed to late june

keep waiting guys!

[karmic delta]

No

Noooo

[olive ember]

Oh no its a comms link

[karmic delta]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-16875499

[olive ember]

but what do you think the comms link will reveal about the patch

my copium is that its gonna drop on tuesday

Late may right

next tuesday

[karmic delta]

New map thats for sure. Blessing tweaks. New cosmetics

[olive ember]

my copium lives forever

[cyan notch]

they said its gonna be a big content patch right

iono man my expectations are near zero

[karmic delta]

https://tenor.com/view/pudgypenguin-hopium-penguin-gif-26360923

Big content drop

[cyan notch]

d4 is coming out

no news no content no patches for dt

[karmic delta]

Not my type of games

[cyan notch]

crafting system sucks donkey cock still

[karmic delta]

Dragon Age Absolution 👀

[cyan notch]

thats the only thing i want addressed

ion care about other things

[karmic delta]

the RNG sucks but I dont mind the locked perks and blessings though

I just want content

https://tenor.com/view/pudgypenguin-hopium-penguin-gif-26360923

[ember hornet]

I don't even need crafting anymore tbh, at least not until new weapons come out

[cyan notch]

ok mr t2 maniac

[ember hornet]

lemme go farm another 7m ordos real quick so I can roll a better one

[cyan notch]

another reason why crafting sucks donkey cock

[olive ember]

we can expect a whole ONE (1) map

thats what I'm expecting for now

[cyan notch]

new map kinda doesnt make any difference for me tbh

its like whatever ok new map still no endgame crafting still shit no content

where subclasses

where story

[olive ember]

A quarter away

STORY

[karmic delta]

I want a continuation of the Wyrmwood saga from the Vox videos on YouTube

[left basin]

does anyone even use uncanny strike on deimos

[karmic delta]

Thats the blessing that does what again

Repeated weak spot hit something?

I think i have a t4 locked on mine

[olive ember]

repeated weakspot rending

pretty sure

[karmic delta]

Is it good though? Im not sure its good but at least I pair it with a T4 Slaughterer

And the warp stacks amplifies it

[grizzled jasper]

They’re gonna pull an overwatch and cancel story

[karmic delta]

OV2

[grizzled jasper]

Prison ship map when

[lethal folio]

Uncanny deimos means you can kill bruisers/maniacs with lightspam.

and stab crushers faster than you can force sword them.

[karmic delta]

1st light attack spam?

[lethal folio]

full light chain.

[karmic delta]

so does the rending work even on first hit?

[lethal folio]

No, you don't have the buff at that poin.

[karmic delta]

holy it work

[mental rock]

Actually a powered up force sword hits 4 times so if you get a weak spot you get 4 stacks of uncanny

So if you do a light special into light chain it might be more dps

Not sure though as I haven't really tested it

[left basin]

that's what i've heard

haven't tried hitting bosses with it

[hallow fable]

does anyone have an example of a good demois force sword?

[hallow fable]

This is where mine is at. Fresh lvl 30 psy

[fresh steeple]

it's viable. Roll Precog to Slaughterer and Crit Hit to Maniac or Unyielding

[hallow fable]

yeah. need mats for slaughterer

[steel flame]

i swear if we dont get new maps or a new class tomorrow

im not sure my little heart can handle the disappointment of another balance patch

[light quail]

I'd wager new cosmetics with the ogryn backpack seen in fashion randomiser?

[steel flame]

it better not just be a cosmetic drop either

thats almost just as bad

i want something to play for the love of the emprah

[raw otter]

they said there will be a new zone map
i also believe there may be a new boss but who knows

[light quail]

boss makes sense, there's a Chaos Spawn in the intro cinematic and it's still nowhere to be found in game

[raw otter]

yea

apparently in the creature spawn mod there is a new entry about the chaos spawn
so it is highly possible that it will be added soon

[cyan notch]

theres a stormfiend too

[graceful eagle]

thought they say we get new mission not map

and some balance changes

[raw otter]

if you mean new mission as new location in the throneside yea
probably a different path but still "new" id guess

from the preview it looks something cool

[graceful eagle]

live service game btw

[lucid plinth]

we might get flash missions

or failing that new modifiers

but you WILL get disappointed

[grizzled jasper]

I’m hyped for all the potential break and accidental releases

New map get 8 players

[left basin]

is bloodthirsty used on any FS with any degree of success

or should i research and forget

[cyan notch]

its fine on illisi

terrible on others

[left basin]

fine?

what's your best combo on illisi

[cyan notch]

if u wanna use bloodthirsty then that + slaughterer

[graceful eagle]

i mean all you need is Slaughterer

[static agate]

Is Terrifying barrage worth it on Surge staff?

And is the Damage the dump stat?

[obtuse moth]

Prolly not

[ornate hamlet]

Holy shit.

Look at the stats

Also, should I (I don't have it yet)?

[graceful eagle]

maybe if you want IV war flurry, otherwise look for 80 burn and cloud radius

[ornate hamlet]

What?

Burn and Cloud radius?

[gloomy yarrow]

Yes

[graceful eagle]

cloud radius=range, burn=dot damage

[ornate hamlet]

A-

Oh yeah

Didn't read those

Might take this.

Or even this

[obtuse moth]

I would either save your melk bucks or buy the flurry

[ornate hamlet]

The flurry milkshake?

[obtuse moth]

Save your bucks for t4 blessings

[gloomy yarrow]

The blessing

Warp flurry

[obtuse moth]

No, the warp flurry on the purgatus

[ornate hamlet]

(Ik what you mean)

(Just a joke)

Warp-themed food.

[neat sand]

I'd skip that sword it's a big risk to get a t4 and at 336 base , aim for 360 minimum perks and blessing can be work around but base level is set in stone 🙂

[ornate hamlet]

Anyway, bought the staff, gonna use it for a while before giving it to Hadron.

[ornate hamlet]

Too late for dat in a good way

[neat sand]

XD

[ornate hamlet]

I still don't know what to do with this

[neat sand]

The staff was a better buy 🙂

[ornate hamlet]

Which one?

I mean the blessings here

[neat sand]

Hang it up on the wall to gather dust :p

[ornate hamlet]

It's my first "free" orange weapon, so it's already been there for a while

[obtuse moth]

Keep it for posterity

[ornate hamlet]

I'm gonna give it to Hadron.

[gloomy yarrow]

Low finesse eh pen, I’d take wrath off it just because or sell

[neat sand]

I'd use the staff as is till you get a feel for it. Maybe swap manic for flak the blessings is what I use on mine

[ornate hamlet]

This was a mistake.

I mean the Achlys.

The last two are for comparisons.

[gloomy yarrow]

Does the damage stat on purgatus affect dot damage?

[ornate hamlet]

Shrug

Is this a good weapon to upgrade?

[obtuse moth]

Nope

Crit chance and burn, affect dot application and max stacks

[gloomy yarrow]

I’d say keep it as is until Fatshark buffs the dueling swords

If that ever happens

[ornate hamlet]

Unrelated to any of the above: I just bought a Catachan sword with pretty good relative stats. I'm gonna use it in spite of what it is, just because I can.

[neat sand]

Illisi is love Illisi is life :p
Embrace it 🙂

[gloomy yarrow]

I like penis sword

Illisi isn’t it for me

Also illisi is a crutch for bad psykers

Take that how you will

[neat sand]

I have a 540 demo but I just love the chopping muties in 2 with 1 chop XD

[gloomy yarrow]

Crutch for bad psykers

[neat sand]

Top dps top leat damage done ,total a bad psyker ... :p enjoy your toothpick 😂

[gloomy yarrow]

Bad psyker

[neat sand]

You can only dream to ascend to the level bad psyker

[gloomy yarrow]

The meta lies

Don’t use illisi

Or do

[ornate hamlet]

If my attack chain is "Push, hit, push hit...." does push count as a "hit" in a combo?

Asking in reference to decimator

Or would I be better off with limbsplitter?

[gloomy yarrow]

What weapon

@ornate hamlet

[ornate hamlet]

Combat axe

[ornate hamlet]

Mk V

[gloomy yarrow]

I think light spam is better but I might be wrong so decimator

But if you want light heavy then I headtaker I believe

[left basin]

fucking

still can't roll slaugh 4

but got 3x blazing spirit 4s

https://tenor.com/view/contondered-family-guy-next-gif-14180951

[latent stirrup]

no it does not count as attack

or maybe it does, but pushing still deletes all your stacks because it requires blocking and blocking does not count as an attack, so it removes the stacks

[ornate hamlet]

Voidstrike staff feels like its been nerfed ahrd

hard*

[ornate hamlet]

So you want the one that gives you a bigger starting attack

[latent stirrup]

if you block or swap weapons, your decimator stacks instantly go away

if a push attack will instantly start off giving you stacks, due to the push being counted as first attack, i dont know

but i guess it is not all that relevant since each time you push, you reset your stacks anyway

i tested it and no the push itself does not count as an attack

so the push attack (after a successful push) does not grant a decimator stack

[latent stirrup]

you could use headtaker

25% power for everything as long as you hit something every few sec

[ornate hamlet]

Okay

This Purgatus isn't cut out, compared to the Voidstrike.

[latent stirrup]

depends on horde density

on low diff, purgatus is wasted

on high diff, it is pretty good

[ornate hamlet]

High Horde Density purgatus is king

I basically delete most of the hordes at higher tiers.

With the Voidstrike.

Then again, them being so clumped up makes it helpful.

Im using Voidstrike rn, and it aint that good.

Along with these

[latent stirrup]

voidstrike gets stuck on elites and has limited cleave

and does barely any dmg to most elites

not my pick for high int

[ornate hamlet]

Somehow the ranged weakspot bonus made it work.

[latent stirrup]

your staff is pretty good though

[latent stirrup]

lol no definitely not

[ornate hamlet]

I'm still going to keep it once I go around refining it.

[latent stirrup]

weakspot dmg and crit dmg are the most useless perks

gimme a sec and i tell you just how useless the 8% weakspot is on that staff

[ornate hamlet]

Well, wait a minute, if he's dealing with high density cleave, that transfer peril is good.

BRRRRRRRRT

He (in high intensity engagements) can just keep shooting.

That's the sound I always hear with a good shot

Add in the Warp Flurry

[latent stirrup]

less than 4% bonus dmg on headshots

that is how useless these 8% are

[ornate hamlet]

Yes, but his DPS is high because he doesn't have to quell, and his recharge rate is high.

[latent stirrup]

that is not ranged weakspot bonus

you are talking about a blessing

i am not

and neither is he

[ornate hamlet]

Facts

[latent stirrup]

the quell ond headshot blessing is great

[ornate hamlet]

If I somehow get an even worse Perk, then I'm blaming you.

Going to reroll

Black Rose, you can reroll until the cost is gone

[latent stirrup]

any enemies you do not 1 shot with charged bodyshot?

[ornate hamlet]

and you can just keep rerolling until you get what you want?

[latent stirrup]

getting extra dmg gainst enemies that you 1 shot anyway is kinda bad

[ornate hamlet]

(I am not that serious about it)

And I got unarmoured.

Doesn't the voidstrike staff have overkill mechanics?

More dmg = more cleave?

Well, it seems like that

The explosion's still nice

Also my Talents with this Voidstrike

Either one of these.

How do you get your charges?

Without hordes, Brain Burst

[latent stirrup]

lvl 15 feat + luck 😄

[ornate hamlet]

I like the 15sec CD myself

It's not entirely helpful if you're not using Ascendant Blaze + Purgatus Staff, in my experience.

I tried.

Reason being I can replace the 4% luck talent with the ability CD removal

I prefer to play Hi-Int Shock Gauntlet, thats' where I find the 15s CD BB useful, because most of your targets are thicc

True

Add in the ability cooldown talent ...

[ornate hamlet]

With this, I can paradoxically keep firing while at high peril.

Yea, with that staff I'm sure.

I'm still trying to get the others.

(And build an axe with Limbsplitter and Thrust for fun)

I still don't get why Decapitator is a thing on the Combat Axes

My purgatus setup

?

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

It'd work great with a burn build. Where you rely on high peril.

Some swords do that I think.

Wow. That warp nexus is good for that quell speed

Hold on

I want to test a theory, since the Purgatus Staff I had works kind of well with my Headtaking Antax axe

||What if it worked on Decimator?||

[vestal finch]

What weapons get the Blazing Spirit blessing?

[ornate hamlet]

The Force Swords, I believe

[ornate hamlet]

Experiment success...now I'm gonna get more axes.

[steel flame]

Force swords, voidstrike and trauma

Right now it's only great on trauma with nexus 4

[steel flame]

Stick slaughter 4 on that baby and it's perfect

[ornate hamlet]

only have 3

[steel flame]

Still pretty good. Makes diemos very good at horde clear with lights

[lost kestrel]

Hi all, anyone free to assist with Psyker penances?

Happy to assist in return

[ornate hamlet]

To compliment my purgatus staff:

[ionic frost]

ew

blazing III

[spice veldt]

The cleave only scales on how much you charge the secondary. However, projectiles do have "interesting" behavior where they momentarily have infinite cleave upon hitting an enemy if the server is lagging (e.g., when there's a shit ton of enemies spawned)

(Volume warning) https://streamable.com/v62hpv

[ornate hamlet]

It works great in practice, bad on paper

[cyan portal]

Your purgatus build looks awkward af.

[ornate hamlet]

Which toughness perk would you pick for melee focus.

[ornate hamlet]

What about it is awkward?

[spice veldt]

I always like to run Quietude, even with the Illisi

Illisi is good enough at killing trash to regenerate an insane amount of toughness in an instant already, so you really only need warp absorption if you're doing like holding W into large groups of shooters

[tender terrace]

not running 1 1 1 3 1 1 😂

[spice veldt]

my heart is purely dedicated to kinetic barrage

[lunar hollow]

kinetic barrage best level 30 feat

[cyan portal]

Quicken, when purga already has great inherent peril management. Manual bb for wc only. No dmg boosts. 🤷

[tender terrace]

i prefer stabbing my elites and specialists in the face when able

[ornate hamlet]

I need to go look at talent names..

[spice veldt]

sometimes, physical distance is too great a barrier to overcome

my psyker legs can only carry me so far

and thus I must let them rest

[tender terrace]

that doesn't mean dont use bb tho

[lunar hollow]

sometimes u can just feel that the pox hound is boutta do a 180 and run 50 meters out of sight

[tender terrace]

just, rather not

[spice veldt]

same

I dislike using BB

[tender terrace]

so why build around it

[spice veldt]

since it is the best option in certain situations

e.g., a large shooter group where I need to snipe the Gunners to dive them with melee

since I don't want to get pushed by their fucking ranged fire

[tender terrace]

having the ability to use your F key every 7 seconds is useful in ALL situations tho

[spice veldt]

but I need to BB to get the CDR (without picking the warp charge feats)

[tender terrace]

no you dont

[spice veldt]

whereas with Psykinetic's Aura, any weapon that kills an elite/special works

[tender terrace]

and in between hordes you're going to BB anyway

[spice veldt]

sounds like excessive BBing

[ornate hamlet]

Hi Int, a BB build can be useful

[spice veldt]

I don't want any playstyle that artificially introduces BBing

[tender terrace]

hitting gunners, shotgunners, ragers, and chunky elites with bb at a distance is never excessive

[spice veldt]

I never BB melee elites except crushers

I always prefer to kill shotgunners with melee unless the distance is massively far

[tender terrace]

i mean you got a sword and a flame staff its not like you're gonna run into a pack and aggro the whole thing when you can just pick off certain ones with bb

[ornate hamlet]

If I am melee with a shotgunner, I'm doing it wrong.

[tender terrace]

debatable

7 sec F key tho (lol shotgunners enjoy the floor)

[ornate hamlet]

*contextual.

[spice veldt]

why would I aggro a shooter group early if I can get the jump on them and melee-lock their asses

spam heavy-specials and dodge-slide around

[vestal raven]

true

[cyan portal]

You can bb fine without building for it with talents at all though?

[ornate hamlet]

So I have a BB build, and it's more a support/sniper build.... Let me pull it up.

[tender terrace]

you are right, you convinced me that kinetic barrage is basically useless ty

[lunar hollow]

see but a BB-focused build has comedy value to it

[spice veldt]

I can BB fine, but the normal BB speed is slow enough for my teammates to steal the kill

[lunar hollow]

crusher 2-shots w/ kinetic barrage active is humorous

[spice veldt]

and it somewhat helps against groups of crushers/bulwarks

yeah, and having to artificially BB enemies to make use of CDR sucks ass