psyker-class

[tidal scaffold]

the idea of a high peril brain burst build with many wounds to suicide bomb sounds fun, though the suicide bombing sucks for my team so might have to gut that part

[gloomy yarrow]

I use it as a special delete button so I’d run maniac and elite/special damage and executioner and unstable

[shy prairie]

the perks..

[fresh steeple]

To answer you thematically. For melee:

If you want a sword that handles single target really well, you use Deimos.

If you want a sword that handles AOE clear really well, you use Illisi.

If you want a mediocre jack-of-all-trades sword, you use Obscurus.

Slaughterer+Unstable Peril on all three swords. Deflector in place of UP if you really want ranged blocking.

If you want a non-force sword for auto-quelling purposes, Antax Mk V with Bromentum is your surest choice.

For ranged:

If you want maximum AOE, you use Purgatus. Warp Flurry+Warp Nexus. Typically pair with Deimos.

If you want constant railgun shots that function similarly to a gun, you use Voidstrike. Warp Flurry+Transfer Peril. Typically pair with Deimos.

If you want maximum CC, you use Surge. Warp Flurry+Warp Nexus. Always pair with Illisi. This is a melee-heavy build and Surge should only come out on rare occasion to lock down dangerous targets.

If you want heavy CC and AoE and constant shots but in a landmine capacity, you use Trauma with Rending Shockwave+Warp Flurry.

If you want CC+AoE but with wider AoE radius via burn, you use Trauma with Blazing Spirit+Warp Nexus.

If you want to use a gun of any sort, your best bet is Shredder Autopistol with Pinning Fire and Blaze Away. This plus Ascendant Blaze provides for single instances of massive AoE clear.

Other guns are not recommended.

[fresh steeple]

better sprinting for your 8-second-long quells 😉

[cobalt narwhal]

Okay

I’ll save that for later then

[shy prairie]

if everything is not dead after a full peril bar, i will turn myself into a missile and fire myself at the nearest crusher

[long wharf]

I'm not sure I'd describe void as a "railgun shot", as that implies it does a lot of damage with unending cleave

and both points are wrong

[tidal scaffold]

the hardest thing for me to get used to as psyker is if i use the block push at 100% i go critical

with the force swords i should say

does the give X% buff to allies in coherency on X apply to you too?

[gloomy yarrow]

What?

What are you talking about

[olive ember]

The elite damage thing is applied to everyone iirc

the block push you have to actually push to go overboard

so just spam the stun part and don't actually do the force shove

also

if you are using voidstrike might as well use autopistol

which does the same thing but better kekw

[gloomy yarrow]

Voidstrike is cooler

[olive ember]

it really isn't

but thats subjective I suppose

[long wharf]

the shredder pistol is going to get tuned down, I'm sure of it

it's just OP right now

[graceful eagle]

probably blessings on it but not shredder itself

or both

[feral verge]

Everything is subjective

Except my opinion

That's always objective

[tidal scaffold]

how the heck do these damage numbers translate to good damage

[long wharf]

they don't

the damage of soulblaze dot is dependent on the number of stacks

[tidal scaffold]

oh its the soulblaze staff

[long wharf]

also affected by any power modifiers your held weapon has

[olive ember]

I don't value the opinion of kinetic shield users

smh

[formal ridge]

=\

25% is so tempting

could go infested unarmoured and say fml

[spice veldt]

you are always in coherency with yourself so yeah; but the "allies in coherency" phrase is used a bit inconsistently by fatshark

e.g., in the description of Ogryn's Lynchpin feat, Fatshark uses " Allies in Coherency" to refer to your coherency toughness Regen, not the effect of it applying to everyone in coherency

[spice veldt]

just in case you don't know, the force Sword's push-attack is a single-target push unlike the push which affects all targets near you, so its use cases are rather situational

[tidal scaffold]

its more of a muscle memory problem

[formal ridge]

nah fuck this ill prob go 8%elite/25 maniac

[tidal scaffold]

getting overwhelmed by alot of guys = blockpush

[spice veldt]

ah used to weapons with actual offensive push attacks

[formal ridge]

only way infested kills helps is for psychic communiun which gets triggered off coherency anyways

[formal ridge]

ill do a playtest... i mean if poxwalkers are in a mix hoard it helps thin them out faster

[lunar hollow]

for the longest time i couldnt get the push on force sword to do anything

many a burster detonated in my face cuz i couldnt figure out if the push shoved stuff back or if i had to do the push attack

[spice veldt]

I used to spam the push-attack on hordes before finally going into the meatgrinder and figuring out what it actually did

[late yew]

when we going to get new classes

the hell fartshark even doing

[spice veldt]

the benefit of rerolling is that if you first get a good blessing but at a lower tier, rerolling allows you to add it back to the pool of the 2nd blessing and put a bad blessing in place, removing it from the pool for the 2nd blessing

since there's already a bad blessing, there's no benefit

[lunar hollow]

this strategy is basically doubling down on crafting

i would advise it mostly if u have a good enough version of whatever weapon ur grinding and u just want better

[spice veldt]

huh thats true

I should probably work through an example to get a better sense of it

[fresh steeple]

Don't play Melee Psyker builds and you'll get it by accident

I got it on my fourth Damnation run after the patch without even noticing. You're 2/3 of the way there, too

[spice veldt]

you can get it even with a melee psyker build as long as you use the illisi

just make sure to be at 0% peril before engaging with ragers

[fresh steeple]

sure, but you won't get it by complete accident

[spice veldt]

I got it without even going for the penance by playing my usual build

[fresh steeple]

you'll need to pay attention to fights in melee range and avoid being clipped from some angle

[spice veldt]

it's specifically getting hit in melee by an elite enemy

[fresh steeple]

correct

[spice veldt]

which are pretty few in number and attention catching

[fresh steeple]

I agree

[spice veldt]

I am not turning my back to elite enemies

especially with trauma to just knock melee elites to the ground

[fresh steeple]

can we agree, without being unnecessarily combative here, that playing a close-range melee Psyker build will increase the chances of personal failure and result in more "I got tapped once" games over time, across the entire playerbase, than will a purely ranged Psyker build?

[spice veldt]

and illisi being able to repeatedly stagger ragers with light-specials

[spice veldt]

this statement is still wrong

you can get it by complete accident

[fresh steeple]

Once again, can we agree on this?

[spice veldt]

I agree with that

[fresh steeple]

okay

[spice veldt]

anyways, I disagree that you can't get it by complete accident

[fresh steeple]

that's all I'm trying to say to Piper

[spice veldt]

and all I'm saying is that the illisi's stagger is enough to cover you from melee elites

[fresh steeple]

not that somehow melee Psykers are obliged to get hit every game by Rager swings

[fresh steeple]

and all I meant by this is that a person playing a Melee Psyker will need to earnestly engage in mechanics to prevent melee elite hits, aka blocking, pushing, dodging

[spice veldt]

I play the illisi brainlessly and still got it without gunning for it

[fresh steeple]

when I say I got mine by complete accident, I mean that after my third successful post-patch Damnation mission it fell into my lap, without me ever having gotten within 20 yards of a single melee elite at any point

[fresh steeple]

brainlessly=not blocking, pushing, or dodging

you play it reflexively because you're good at using it

[spice veldt]

I don't block or push against melee elites

[fresh steeple]

you staggered them

[spice veldt]

I only spam my pinky finger

[fresh steeple]

same mitigation

[spice veldt]

with the illisi that provides ridiculous stagger

https://streamable.com/xrq1yn

[fresh steeple]

can you take a compliment from me of "You played the weapon well enough to not be hit, and other people don't play it as well"?

[spice veldt]

you don't need to play the illisi well

just hold W, press special, and press LMB

as evidenced in that video

very hard I know

[fresh steeple]

well, not to directly insult Piper here, but they are at 2/3. They didn't play well enough in past games to have already gotten it two weeks ago

[spice veldt]

I'm not joking when I'm saying the illisi is brainless

[fresh steeple]

and they're not the only person out there who hasn't gotten that penance

[spice veldt]

it is a very serious statement that I'm always making

many people aren't aware that you can get light-specials fast enough to chain stagger ragers

once you know this, you won't get hit by ragers unless you engage them without sufficient peril or there are more than 2

[fresh steeple]

e.g., "I know enough about the game to execute a specific combat action that allows me to lock down specific targets in a manner that prevents them from hitting me and can do so outside of test conditions," aka not brainless

[spice veldt]

and people will rarely ever want to engage with maulers because their overheads now bleedthrough your toughness even at 100% toughness

it's very brainless to rely and act on past knowledge

what takes brainpower is to react to unexpected situations on the spot

[fresh steeple]

I don't consider reflexive to be synonymous with brainless

[spice veldt]

if I walk into two ragers and can simply spam special/LMB to kill them, then that's ridiculously brainless

[fresh steeple]

you do. Semantically we disagree, practically we agree

I've seen brainless players. I've played with brainless players. Brainless players can't get past Malice.

[spice veldt]

if those brainless players got knowledge, they'd still be pretty shit brainless players but they'd be mildly better

[fresh steeple]

kk

inane argument. Piper, finish your last game however you wish, but I recommend playing a Trauma build to do so.

and I'm glad you enjoy your Psyker's looks

I wish that cape weren't attached to that specific chestpiece 😦

[heady garnet]

how do you obtain the cape? I've been seeing a few people with it

ohhh ty

[oblique hemlock]

Before they stun an ally I believe it says

So you gotta be on your game

[fresh steeple]

thought it was 50

if you just prioritize killing them with BBs for a while, you should get it over time because at least some of them will be "mid-attack" for the condition

it works similarly to that Zealot penance of "killing a Mutant while it's charging"

[muted tundra]

Some of the conversations in here make me want to do a damnation run with 'worst loadouts' we can think up so that when people flip out when you're not using 'meta' settups you can whip it out on 'em

[formal ridge]

bolter vets are so full of !@#$

[fresh steeple]

Psyker with Recon Lasgun and Assault Chainsword, running 233321

maybe it could be "optimized" in some way, but I think that's about the worst thing you could possibly do in a Damnation game as a Psyker

[muted tundra]

Chainsword would be a new one but I unironically run lasgun

I'd imagine the revolver would be the go to for the ranged if that was the goal

[spice veldt]

the revolver at least has stagger and mild damage to carapace

[muted tundra]

Which I also like, it just has a lot of downtime

[fresh steeple]

Specifically Mk II Recon

Infantry Lasguns, I assume, could do something

[formal ridge]

meta are meta for a reason cause they do more damage faster generally

[fresh steeple]

a Mk II recon lasgun is like shooting enemies with a water pistol

[formal ridge]

so its hard to compete with off meta on damage alone

on utility yeah you can compete

[muted tundra]

Correct, but you don't 'need' them to be successful.

[fresh steeple]

and the build in question would give you toughness without any Warp attacks, no damage boosts, Lacerationslul, quelling without force weapons, Wildfire with no Soulblaze sources, and Quicken

[muted tundra]

Alright work me out the WORST build you can think of and I'll run and it get back to you.

[fresh steeple]

though now that I optimize, I realize a person could ignore their weapons and do something by constantly BB-spamming, which would give team damage boosts and some nominal source of Soulblaze

[muted tundra]

It's a lot easier to do on Psyker than the others I'd imagine

[fresh steeple]

so I'm going to change it to 221321

No source of Soulblaze at all, warp charges that don't help your peril resist because you have no force weapons and get wiped out with Quicken, and useless Wildfire

[muted tundra]

I think I have a chainsword laying around so I can give that a try right now

[fresh steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/please-dont-do-that-kenneth-parcell-30rock-stop-it-please-you-cant-do-that-to-me-gif-20346223

[muted tundra]

Too late, it's coming

And so am I

Will post in LFG NA once I load in here

[fresh steeple]

I remember teaming up with precisely one Chainsword Psyker, who also ran Surge. And was a typical Surge Psyker with spamming staff on Poxwalkers, and swung the Chainsword without revving

it was a miserable failed run

[muted tundra]

Was it the run itself or the conditions?

[fresh steeple]

yes

it was, like, a low int Damnation, and I think the only LID that I ever actually failed

which is saying something, and it's not something good

[muted tundra]

INterestingly enough I have found the 'easier' conditions tend to be the harder games and I have a theory that it's because it attracts a certain type of player

[fresh steeple]

the other teammates weren't good enough to deal with the fact that we had a "teammate" with worse performance than a bot

[fresh steeple]

eh, maybe to some extent, but LIDs are easy enough that you can functionally 2- or 3-man them even if someone comes in with Baby's First Damnation as a new player on a level 15 Ogryn or some nonsense

99% of my teammates in LIDs are just there for mat-farming

[muted tundra]

I do have one laying around

Call me, the trashman

[fresh steeple]

for worst Vet build, I'd still go with Mk II Recon Lasgun because seriously why does that weapon exist, with Chainaxe as melee, with 221333

maybe Stub Revolver instead, since the marginal CC benefits it could give to Psyker would be made moot for a Vet in exchange for nothing useful

for Zealot I would again go with Mk II Recon Lasgun, and Eviscerator as weapon (rip Eviscerator), and 131311

dunno about Ogryns. The "worst weapon" as shield provides (albeit usually superfluous) good team cover at least, so it has redeeming qualities

[muted tundra]

That?

[spice veldt]

psychic communion seems a bit too useful

since you'll actually build and maintain warp charges for quicken and the damage boost

[muted tundra]

Well we're running tha tlaodout this dam, wer'll se ehow it goes

[fresh steeple]

yeah, but Lacerations lets you get damage boosts for your teammates

and Aura gives everyone better ults

whereas passive warp charge generation won't matter as much when you're wasting them all with Quicken and 4 stacks, and using no force weapons for extra res from Tranq

[spice veldt]

true, if you just spam your ult off CD

[ember hornet]

communion + DR + battery + quicken gang

[spice veldt]

ur not even real

go away

[vestal raven]

lmfao

[ember hornet]

I'm a real boy!

[vestal raven]

someone convince me to not use dueling sword

[ember hornet]

uh, deimos

[spice veldt]

anyways

[ember hornet]

[spice veldt]

why duel when you can blaze

uhhhhhh

[vestal raven]

you raise a good argument my counsel will take this into consideration

[orchid shadow]

Quicken feels a little oddly designed still. 6 stacks with quicken gets you down to a 4 sec CD.. but unless communion fills it really quickly, 3 BB takes almost 10 seconds to refill your stacks. Even with 2 stacks from communion at the right time, it's lowering it down to 6 seconds? You're never really taking full advantage of that short CD.

[ember hornet]

all the enemies I stagger get really scared when they keep getting staggered and see that crazy dude stroking his sword running at them

game winning tactics

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1axRb4lcEHeEV8/d1337y9Rz335?invite=cr-MSxDbm0sMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

explain this with ur western "science"

[agile garden]

Bloodthirsty
Is this blessing not great? I was going to pair it with the soulblaze on crit, but it sucked

[spice veldt]

critical hits have this property where beyond a certain target hit in a cleave, the crit multiplier/bonus is lowered compared to the first few targets

[fathom adder]

Huh, I tried the Rashad recently and it seemed like it still wasn't cleaving, even with bromentum

[spice veldt]

on normal attacks, only the first target hit in a cleave receives the full crit multiplier/bonus

on the illisi's special, it has a lowered crit multiplier but also maintains this crit multiplier for three targets before dropping for the 4th target and beyond

[fathom adder]

Bloodthirsty is great on Illisi but Blazing Spirit is a meme for a number of reasons

[kind jay]

blood/slaughter is what you want

forget blazing

pretend it doesnt exist

[viral solstice]

all finesse damage

weakspots too

i made 40+ orange voidstrikes

never got surge

second random grey i blue

[formal ridge]

is it just my settings or does darktide have horrible lighting? half of maps are bright outside sand and half are super dark shadows; I have to turn my gamma all the way up on half of maps, or halfway thru a map, and then turn it back down. it's ridiculous

I understand ambiance effect but I need to be able to see my surroundings to defend myself in melee

[spice veldt]

I have all low settings and it's mostly see-able for me

some maps do have particularly dark sections

but I'd say that I can see fine for most of the maps

[formal ridge]

its seeable if I turn up the gamma but then the game looks pretty bad but I deal with it... kind of

[spice veldt]

I think I have my gamma setting on something like +0.10

[formal ridge]

I mainly use geforce filters

[spice veldt]

simply swing and dodge wildly, and you'll be mostly fine https://streamable.com/epihy5

[formal ridge]

it's probably way worse because I play in third person

and the "gopro" light effect doesnt happen

[spice veldt]

yeah that prob contributes to it

I've used force swords since the very beginning, so I have the very ingrained habit of spamming dodges and feeling pretty safe in melee even if I can't see enemies

[formal ridge]

maybe if I turn some settings up it might be better, texture or something, or fog

the game says "adjust until left image no longer visible" but why tf would I want to not see something (rhetorical)

[spice veldt]

to feel really immersed into the role of somebody with night blindness

or somebody who has stared at the sun since childhood

really feels nice to have representation in the game

[past bear]

Worth buying? Dunno if perks are right

[spice veldt]

stat distribution is decent and it has rending; you usually want some +% to armour type perk on trauma to hit some breakpoints or to help it along

+unarmoured (for one-shotting dreg bruisers (450hp) reliably), +infested (for one-shotting poxwalkers reliably (300 hp, trauma deals 75% to infested) are the options for reaching one-shot breakpoints without relying on warp charges/warp unleashed, though your damage stat is pretty high so you might not need those two perks if you're on top of managing your warp charges

though for dreg bruisers you do need either warp battery or warp unleashed to one-shot dreg bruisers

for poxwalkers, you only need an additional 5.2% damage from somewhere to one-shot their asses

[past bear]

hmm ok. thanks.

5% seems easy enough to get

[spice veldt]

I personally like +unarmoured and +flak on my trauma staff, since +flak allows you to two-shot dreg gunners (alongside either 4 warp charges and/or warp unleashed)

[past bear]

Will probably try warp battery

[zinc abyss]

is there a way to charge up force staffs faster? what about brain burst?

does warp siphon work for all damage? melee, ranged, and brain burst?

[spice veldt]

trauma, surge, and void have the Charge Rate stat which scales that; no other method to speed them up exists.
Brain Burst has a lvl30 feat that causes your ult to temporarily increase the speed of your brainburst charging

Warp Siphon is a global damage buff to everything (melee, ranged, brainburst, DoTs like Soulblaze/Burn/Bleed); same goes for the Warp Unleashed feat in the lvl10 feat line

@ember hornet become a god gamer to blow up bursters without ever needing to see them https://streamable.com/wzr2vn

[zinc abyss]

do weapons have different quelling rates?

[spice veldt]

they should all have the same quell speed scaling

not that I've checked them all

well, the staffs all have the same quell speed

lemme check what the value is for force swords and brain burst

brainburst and force swords seem to have 50% quell speed

[zinc abyss]

is that the same as staffs?

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1ayroOl980bGiE/d1337hbY7gVp?invite=cr-MSxlV3ksMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

all works as planned

[spice veldt]

equivalently yeah; a 50% quell speed staff quells 8.62% peril per tick from 100% peril, and same goes for brainburst/force swords

[zinc abyss]

wait my staff says 25% quel rate, is it 25% added ontop of base 50%?

[spice veldt]

nah it's not added on top of that

a 25% quell speed staff does indeed have a slower quell than brain burst/force swords

[spice veldt]

oh right the trauma staff

so, the trauma staff has some hard stat scaling

the charge rate scales from 2.5 seconds to 1 second

so at lower ratings, it's going to feel pretty bad to use

[spice veldt]

truly op

oh yeah, and it would probably be a good time to mention that you active-quell in discrete amounts every tick, where every tick occurs every 250ms

[viral solstice]

now thats what they gotta get under control

[spice veldt]

just that the peril% that you see on-screen has some visual interpolation to make it look like it decreases smoothly whenever you actively quell

[civic wasp]

Does the 58% warp resistance matter? Also if I buy this does anything need changed? It looks pretty good as is to me, but I also don't know much.

[spice veldt]

holy shit

nice perks and blessings; stat distribution leaves a bit to be desired and I could use a bit more in the charge rate stat, but if you can manage your peril, then it looks pretty good

the lower warp res means that you won't be able to take advantage of warp flurry as much

[civic wasp]

Maybe I'll nab it up, and use it while I keep rolling in case I can manage something better.

[long wharf]

no T4 blessings and neither perk you want, so no

[viral solstice]

warp nexus

should be a feat

[long wharf]

I agree

[viral solstice]

put it on same tier as warp unleashed replace the splash damage brain burst one and its a shitty choice for most ppl because crit is usually worse than raw damage but for surge abusers it would be so fun

btw

i have some very important footage

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1ay9Pe7sQMMhq7/d13375SLz50V?invite=cr-MSxWaXIsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

world's first example of a soulblaze proc kill from a voidstrike cancelling a suicide

now because this was a gift from god i had to tell him hes a bitch and send it back

[long wharf]

"world's first" = nobody cares and nobody ever thought it impossible

[viral solstice]

u got me

i was not talking literally

incredible to see somebody discovering non-literal speech in real time, here Online

[long wharf]

where's the "rolling eyes so hard it causes an aneurysm" emoji...

[viral solstice]

[vestal raven]

relax lol

[cyan notch]

WHY ARE YOUR SUBTITLES SO MASSIVE THEY ARE COVERING YOUR BUFFS

MOVE THAT SHIT DOWN

[lunar hollow]

i like how crab narrowly avoids death

and decides he wants to die anyways

[viral solstice]

stay mad noob

these are domtitles

[cyan notch]

[ember hornet]

[cyan notch]

[kind jay]

subtitles > buffs

you already know you have 5 stacks of slaughterer

youll be fiiiine

[viral solstice]

^ always

first rule of slaughterer club - always be slaughterin

[olive ember]

Mod users when they can’t memorize the 3 buffs they have

[frozen osprey]

honestly i dont even care about buffs

im getting kills? splendid, let's move on

[spice veldt]

i like figuring out when the ranged damage reduction is back up

[olive ember]

Fucking noob

Just memorize it duh

[spice veldt]

counting is hard

[cyan notch]

wtf does it have to do with mods

[olive ember]

Or even better

Just don’t get hit

[spice veldt]

10/10 mod https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/158

[olive ember]

Imagine complaining about seeing mods

SMH just stop having skill issue

[robust jungle]

god bless hadron

[cold geode]

*emperor

[gusty stirrup]

siblings, a question - which perk to replace and with what?

[cold geode]

ranged elites with flak imo, the crit chance helps with stun procs

[olive ember]

Ranged elites ain’t worth

Just run flak + wte

Maniac or crit chance

Or even unarmoured if you want help against dreg shooters

[obtuse cloak]

howdy, I'm still learning and would love some helpful advice on this flamey staff i got. What should i do with it?

[viral solstice]

u put crit on as one of the perks and warp nexus instead of focused channelling cos the crits set ppl more on fire and then roll around yelling GREEN FIRE GREEN FIRE as ur team curse the day they were born with eyes

[obtuse cloak]

@viral solstice you again! I can't decide whether i wanna play veteran or psyker more, but i have been enjoying throwing flames everywhere.
Thanks for the help again!

[gusty stirrup]

ty!

[gusty stirrup]

ty!

[viral solstice]

play both nobody can control the number o f careers u juggle

[obtuse cloak]

Do you think it matters which perk i change to crit?

[ripe sky]

Psyker really is a breath of fresh air after playing a shit ton of veteran

me enjoys

[shy prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-infinity-war-mind-stone-last-stone-infinity-gauntlet-gif-15735729

[forest coral]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-card-shake-ii_ch2-gif-25887089

[zinc abyss]

does quietitude feat only work when you manually quell?

[spice veldt]

works with all forms of quelling (Battle Meditation (passive), Transfer Peril (blessing), Exorcist (blessing), passive quelling)

it used to not work with battle meditation before, but they fixed that

[zinc abyss]

battle meditation?

[spice veldt]

it's one of Psyker Psykinetic's passives or "Iconics"

[zinc abyss]

ahhhh

[spice veldt]

10% chance to quell 10% peril on a kill

[zinc abyss]

what's best feat I? or is it taste?

[vestal raven]

quietude is pretty crazy

[spice veldt]

Quietude is the most generalist toughness feat and is pretty much free toughness

warp absorption gives you an insane amount of burst toughness as long as you don't get peeled too hard, which does happen on higher difficulties when you start to take massive amounts of toughness damage

[vestal raven]

like on damnation were ONE shooter can shred ur whole bar

[spice veldt]

I'd say that Essence Harvest is a bit more niche, especially without picking certain lvl10 and lvl25 feats, because it doesn't stack and the toughness per second is rather low unless you're brainbursting a lot

[vestal raven]

imagine if it stacked like vets does

[spice veldt]

Essence Harvest is 6% per second, whereas Quietude is 24.62% per second with an 80% quell speed staff (of course, there's also the time to generate 100% peril and whatnot)

[zinc abyss]

is it just me or is stacking brain burst kind of a pain?

since the long charge up

[spice veldt]

yeah brain burst is pretty much a utility weapon so some clunkiness such as its slow charge speed is part of its design

you get some feats that generate warp charges by other methods in your lvl10, lvl25, and lvl30 feat lines

as long as you don't take more than 6 seconds to generate 100% peril, then quelling from 100% to 0% with an 80% quell speed staff will make Quietude generate more toughness than Essence Harvest continuously

Feats:

• Lvl10: Psychic Communion (4% chance to generate warp charge if you and your teammates get a kill. Expected value of 1 warp charge per 25 kills)
• Lvl25: Kinetic Flayer (10% chance to Brainburst an enemy on a non-killing hit. 15 seconds cooldown)
• Lvl30: Quicken (Gain 2 warp charges instead of 1 from any method)
• Lvl30: Ascendant Blaze (10% chance to get a warp charge when an enemy afflicted with Soulblaze from any source or teammate dies)

oh they added bullet points

[zinc abyss]

5 players lol

[ionic frost]

Emperor sends reinforcements!

Give bots 3x +3 stamina curios and feats!

ftw

maybe have bots scale with difficulty...

[marsh kayak]

Best feats for lighting staff

Right answers only

Oh and also what perks for illisi

Maniac + unarmored??

[frozen osprey]

that one and the one over there

[obtuse moth]

flak maniac for illisi imo

[spice veldt]

unarmoured enemies usually don't need helping against from a melee

[vestal raven]

get crit chance and what was the other blessing again for these

[spice veldt]

unless you want to one-shot 26 groaners in a single swing or something

[viral solstice]

pls their official lore name is "BATHROBE BOIS"

[spice veldt]

ur soo right

[frozen osprey]

their real name is jeff

[viral solstice]

that loadout is fine

[frozen osprey]

only people named jeff got turned into groanerss

everyone else became poxwalkers

[viral solstice]

dumdum is basically the best dps blessing on it

u could put infernus on instead of ghost

[frozen osprey]

for some reason, atoma is very jeff dense...

[viral solstice]

or put infernus on instead of dumdum if u prefer it

but nothing really matters on a laspistol it has no real damage blessings

[obtuse moth]

surge i prefer warp battery and inner tranquility (six stacks and peril resist). you can use warp unleashed and you can use kinetic barrage or ascendant blaze, w/e you prefer ( i like blaze since the staff handles specials already but YMMV)

[viral solstice]

if ur a non-vet infernus can be helpfuil vs maniacs

[obtuse moth]

surge builds peril really fast, but if you're just using it to stun you dont need any peril resist on it

you can quell and fire off minimum charges

depends on if you're using flurry and wanted to use full charges, and how much you're chaining them. with kinetic barrage you need peril resist less, with ascendant blaze its more important because you dont want to ult merely to reduce peril

[vestal raven]

alright thanks

[viral solstice]

(tho i would say avoid between the eyes)

(laspistol is basically suppression immune ghost is way guccier)

oh yeah reassuringly accurate really isnt that bad

more of your kills are crit kills than you owuld expect

because even tho it has like 30% crit chance w/ crit perk the crits do like 3-4x the normal damage

so ur crits are much more likely to drop enemies than the normal hits

so it triggers a reasonable amount

[vestal raven]

yeah it crits alot

gonna go for the toughness regen then

[viral solstice]

but ghost is super super good

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/19VZnRQhElvmVd/d1337FvILxDI?invite=cr-MSxJSlUsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

this is a vet but this is rank 3 ghost stopping me from taking damage for huge portions

[vestal raven]

but realistically

hmmm

actually ill give it a go and just put the crit chance on

[viral solstice]

yeah dont sweat it too much

i think ghost probs surprisingly useful if you have rank 4

there are a lot of occasions where it jujst saves you 50%+ of your toughness without you even realising it

[vestal raven]

yeah id believe it

[shy prairie]

is this how commissars and sgt's stay alive

[viral solstice]

(that build doesnt have unwavering focus either, so no 75% dr)

[vestal raven]

CMON EMPEROR

[viral solstice]

gj emprah

[vestal raven]

is this the tac axe that is considered good?

[digital loom]

i love this staff

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-bombs-kong-explosion-gif-11977978

[timber bolt]

whats the autopistol build?

does it need any bsoecific perks?

or blessings

[spice veldt]

flamers are very cool (not sarcastic this time) https://streamable.com/wm9fi0

[near wyvern]

Mostly pinning fire and you combine it with Psycinetic's Aura/Cerebral Lacerations, Kinetic Flayer and Ascendant blaze.

The other blessing to have on it is Blaze Away but Pinning Fire + AB is the interaction you are after. You should ult with your shredder out and then keep staggering things with shredder while the flames are going to keep up the max stacks on pinning fire.

[vestal raven]

wait doesflayer proc cerebral?

[timber bolt]

thanks 🙂

[near wyvern]

Yes, flayer is just a regular BB but without any peril cost

[worn heron]

Running 2 1 1 2 1, what's the best last tier feat? I was gonna nab quicken since it helps you get charges faster, and I play mostly brain burst and staff

[near wyvern]

Why would you run warp absorption? (First column number 2)

And what weapons are you using

@worn heron

[worn heron]

I felt it helped the best w toughness regen at the time I picked it, but when I was low level as Psyker the game was still in beta so I never changed it; i imagine another feat is probs better

I use the Mark IV trauma staff and the Mk V psyker sword, whatever it's called

[formal ridge]

hadron punishes, hadron rewards

[near wyvern]

@worn heron warp absoption gives you toughness when you don't need it and it's hard to regain with it when you need it the most (under ranged barrage)

Take number 3 (quietitude) with Trauma. Trauma staff generates a lot of peril so it works very well.

With the route you have build you want to take wither 1 or 3 for the last feat depending on if you want to use your staff more or BB effectively every now and then

[near wyvern]

Just wait for them to remove locks in 2 years and you can get those perks fixed

[formal ridge]

lol, i wont wait

ill just grind out another one or stop playing

I have no faith in what Fatshark will do with this game

given how barebones the content has been so far (missions etc)

[near wyvern]

@worn heron mk V is the Illisi force sword which is best at horde clear, I recommend you to try out Deimos with Trauma since you already have horde clear and control with trauma.

Some examples what you can pull off with a well built Deimos

https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10

[tight saddle]

crit to flak and warp flurry to T4? is that what I should do with a Purg?

ir crit damage to crit chance?

[worn heron]

Thanks for the help!! I'll give your tips a try

[spice veldt]

god damn I got trolled twice by a surge user in a single game

first time they surged a poxburster when they were opposite of me, but the burster was enough through their detonation phase to not explode on me

the second time they just sent the burster into my ass as I was pushing it

[feral topaz]

that

I haven't seen

[spice veldt]

to be fair the second time the burster was in a tunnel and they were near me

so it's just wonky behavior that the burster flew towards me instead of away from me

but god damn did I not like my twinky 150 hp ass losing all that health

[feral topaz]

That just comes with the territory

you either skip multiple med stations or you get nuked from existance in 10 seconds

[spice veldt]

should've known not to push the burster since they were just using the surge staff and only had 12k melee damage

[shy prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-22208011

mfw I quickplay into hi int stg and see a book in someone's inventory

76hp

light sneeze kills you

[formal ridge]

im addicted to psykenetics aura

surprisingly viable with warp absorption

[orchid venture]

bro you takin screenshots by moonlight

[granite dust]

crit chance - you want to pump to 80% peril for 20% crit from WN4 and get sweet +5% from blessing - and you stop flamming everything only when crushers comes into play...

[vestal raven]

laspistol is damn good fun

[twilit flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-come-on-do-it-kill-me-now-just-go-get-over-with-gif-15340632

God gave you life and spat in his face lmao

[viral solstice]

my life is not his to give

[twilit flicker]

... spoken like a true psyker, seize the day lol

[cyan notch]

seize this

[hollow jolt]

I wish laspistol would get good rolls for me :c

Pls give me Ghost I beg you

[kind jay]

you've yet to please hadron enough for that, varlet

sacrifice your plasteel for the greater good

[formal ridge]

ahaha some dumb asses in a hi shock just kicked me because they failed to understand the differentiation between a kinetic barrage build and an ascendent blaze build

thats exactly what happened

they thought I was doing hoard clear with a surge staff

thats how literally stupid they were

good luck to them their mission reset so the only new players they are getting are quickplayers at 9 am in the morning

I hope those dudes arent in here cause that is embarassing

[cyan notch]

i think thats on u tho

[formal ridge]

lol no its not

I clearly asked kb or ab

[cyan notch]

u asked and he replied

[formal ridge]

Thats on them for failing their reading courses

[gloomy yarrow]

Let him learn

[hollow jolt]

Should have used recon lasgun 😎

[cyan notch]

he said surge doe

then after that u said u were going to use surge also

[formal ridge]

I kind of remember why I blocked you now

[gloomy yarrow]

I’m sorry are you mad he brought up a valid argument

[formal ridge]

its just hilarious how bad the reading comprehension is

[gloomy yarrow]

Dude you made the problem

[formal ridge]

and the white knighting

[spice veldt]

though you did escalate it with the toddler sentence

[formal ridge]

oh yes of course

[gloomy yarrow]

Just use purgatus it’s not that hard

[formal ridge]

I absolutely did and I would rather be kicked from the match than have to suffer through their incompetency

[gloomy yarrow]

Just carry lol

[lucid plinth]

must be devastating for the team

to lose you

[formal ridge]

haha

[cyan notch]

i mean the guy replied he was gonna use surge but then you chose to use surge after receiving that information

[formal ridge]

I wish there was a way to not get paired up with premades

[cyan notch]

so of course theyre gonna question it

[wet belfry]

I dont get the entire point of this conversation

[formal ridge]

I just need to find a gaming buddy

then ill never have a 3 man of dunces

[gloomy yarrow]

It’s always the no pfp guys that are fucking wild

[formal ridge]

it will only be 2 max

[wet belfry]

Like going surge and AB isn’t that good

[formal ridge]

I definitely prefer KB lately, especially with a lot of veterans

[wet belfry]

On a surge the horde clear is melee

[gloomy yarrow]

Quicken is where it’s at trust me

[lucid plinth]

not trusting you at all

[gloomy yarrow]

You should I used it once

[lucid plinth]

losing warp charges makes me sad

[cyan notch]

quicken is actually fine

its not f tier

[spice veldt]

I dislike the gameplay flow of it

since I generally despise having to ever brain burst

and I don't like to run communion over aura

[cyan notch]

flayer and communion helps a lot

then u can just run around hitting ult

and when you do have to bb you can ult even more

[spice veldt]

though I suppose with warp unleashed, the downside of being unable to two-shot bulwarks w/o 4+ warp charges is gone

[gloomy yarrow]

I like how I can spam trauma even more

[lucid plinth]

slowly starting to trust you

gonna try it out

[gloomy yarrow]

I have 2 trauma staves one for actual gameplay and the other for fucking over vets

Literally like a -7% damage roll and low charge time but max res and quell

[fresh steeple]

setting aside... everything else involving what you just posted, it's 'horde', not 'hoard'. A hoard is a pile of treasure that a dragon might sit on.

[hidden crystal]

No, I really am there to clear out all the loot.

[fresh steeple]

my main dislike of Quicken is that as a talent, its actual useful component is inapposite with its "main" component

[thick beacon]

Since the change to grant 2 Warp charges at a time, Quicken is true joy. Having a special interrupt available almost constantly is so damn handy

[fresh steeple]

the real purpose of that talent is to be able to get warp charges more quickly and maintain max stacks without as many BBs. But if you want to do that, then using your burst is actively bad for you because it means you have to rebuild charges. And if you're rebuilding charges, then the cooldown reduction is a waste because you won't want to use burst again that fast anyway, and if you're not rebuilding charges, then the cooldown reduction doesn't happen

so it's basically a "make it easier to keep up charges with just Psychic Communion in exchange for never using your burst" talent

[gloomy yarrow]

Get you ti-84 graphing calculator ass out of my sight

[fresh steeple]

and that two-charge component is, in fact, enough for people to want to have it just for that. But it feels bad that the two parts of it work so antithetically to each other

[gloomy yarrow]

Stop thinking all the damn time

[hidden crystal]

Slightly mixed terms here, I think. (I assume you mean "wrath" most of the times you say "burst").

[fresh steeple]

yes, I mean Psykinetic's Wrath

burst is just a catchall term for me for any game that gives a character an "ability with a long cooldown that does something special for their kit"

[ember hornet]

quicken is goated for being a zealot psyker

[fresh steeple]

on this note, I therefore disagree. The most useful component of the burst for Trauma is instant peril reduction that doesn't stop Flurry stacks. You can use it mid-cast, reduce, and keep exploding away. But if you use Quicken, it shreds your warp resistance from Inner Tranquility and lets you get in fewer total casts unless you luck out with Psychic Communion procs while fighting.

[gloomy yarrow]

You using your brain

Stop

[fresh steeple]

Quicken has its uses with the change, but I wouldn't put it with Trauma. Or at least not Warp Flurry Trauma. Maybe Blaze Trauma.

[ember hornet]

I wouldn't use quicken if I wasnt using melee as primary weapon

[fresh steeple]

^That is such a use

[gloomy yarrow]

You NEED to troll the teams vet at least once

[hidden crystal]

I'll admit that I'm very much a Kinetic Barrage person. Partly because of the number of times I accidentally manage to hit F rather than G when wanting to select brain burst - at least then I get to pretend I did it to get rapid fire brain bursts for a few seconds rather than "um, yes, I did just blow all my warp charges when there was no-one nearby".

[spice veldt]

I like guilt-free usage of my ult

[fresh steeple]

I feel like that could apply to either Quicken or KB based on your priority 😛

[river sand]

but blaze trauma obviously needs AB

[spice veldt]

KB at least is a strict upgrade

[fresh steeple]

I like KB mainly because if I'm in a situation where my teammates are pinned down or otherwise failing to take out very-far-range gunners, I can snipe them all down quickly

[hidden crystal]

I should consider changing my key layout, but I've got an ergonomic keyboard that means there's a large gap left right of T, G and B, so a lot of the keys aren't very practical for gaming.

[spice veldt]

KB gives that slight edge in killing enemies before my teammates can take the kill

[ember hornet]

with quicken I usually get like, 1 BB off and 1 proc from communion before I use it again

which is 5-10s max

[fresh steeple]

I wouldn't say it's needed, but you're right that it's also better than Quicken

[river sand]

lets say "wants" AB

[thick beacon]

If you're popping elites back to back, with the cooldown reduction feat, you can BB non-stop effectively

[ember hornet]

but id rather slide at them and use illisi

lol

[spice veldt]

some sections are painful if I don't snipe the gunners

fuckers will push your ass so much

accidentally input a dodge-slide a frame too late and you just get the entirety of your momentum killed

[ember hornet]

yeah, I mean of course sometimes you need to BB more

but it's situational

[thick beacon]

I like having Wrath always available for it's utility. Being able to instantly interrupt something has saved my ass (or someone else's) quite a biy

[spice veldt]

I simply pray to god that another disabler doesn't come for my ass before my ult is back up

[ornate hamlet]

Bruh

Which one should I pick?

[fresh steeple]

you only posted one screenshot

but the answer is "one of your Slaughterer Force Swords" obviously

or do you mean "which one to extract"?

[hollow jolt]

No slaughter on axe Fatshark pls

[fresh steeple]

during the time I played with Antax, I certainly never found a situation where it was feasible to attack 6 times in a row without blocking/pushing, so I'd maybe save Thrust instead?

its base damage is enough to clear out chaff without any power boosts, so Thrust would help it do single-target damage

[tight saddle]

We can only see one weapon so we don't know.

[ornate hamlet]

I mean the blessings

[ornate hamlet]

^

But I already found the answer

Took Decimator, despite wanting Thrust

[karmic delta]

holy just finished Chasm Station hi gauntlet with 0 deaths

it feels like bragging rights to do it xd

[hollow jolt]

Nice c:

[ionic needle]

Just finished the same, not zero deaths though

But holy shit when the director goes it goes hard

[fresh steeple]

useful Ogryn you've got there

[karmic delta]

jeez look at that special kils

crazy

[ionic needle]

He joined late

6 deaths and had like four people switch his position throughout

[fresh steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-zoidberg-dr-zoidberg-apology-accepted-just-dont-let-it-happen-again-gif-23038934

[karmic delta]

heres how it goes

I hanged back and prioritize killing the gauntlet waves before focusing on the boss

there's a plague ogryn and BoN in the mission

definitely the most intense game Ive played in recent memory

[ionic needle]

Yeah same here, really good at reminding me why I still play tbh

[cyan notch]

less than 2 weeks

[karmic delta]

Diablo 4 being talked about out here like its a Darktide killer or smth

2 completely different games

[fresh steeple]

nice thing with DT is that it's one of those few games that really doesn't have "you MUST PLAY DAILY, PEASANT" systems

[karmic delta]

different genre

[karmic delta]

unfortunately. some people dont get the memo

[fresh steeple]

I've simply not logged in for weeks when I felt like not doing so, and then popped in regularly when I felt like doing so

[cyan notch]

they have that weekly and hourly shop reset for that shit

[fresh steeple]

anyone who gets to any appreciable level of endgame knows weeklies actually don't matter because Melk doesn't give good items frequently enough

and the hourly shop can be checked with a browser extension when you feel like it

[karmic delta]

Im just waiting for melk to give me T4 PC

[fresh steeple]

which I check even when I don't play, mind, because it's easy to check, which is why I have so many 380s

[agile garden]

I agree bloodthirsty on illisi makes sense, but wouldn't shred be more optimal since you don't have to land heavy charged strikes or spend time charging them

[fresh steeple]

but even if someone didn't do that, it wouldn't really make them "lose out on important stuff"

[olive ember]

flayer AND communion oof

didn't realize we were still back in january

[fresh steeple]

While part of me is being cheeky, and part of me is speaking about my own desires versus the community at large, I think the Venn Diagram of "people who like a grungy, gothic horde shooter game in the 40k universe" and "people who like a grunchy, gothic horde aRPG game in the Diablo universe" are very close to being a perfect eclipse

doesn't mean one will be played at the exclusion of the other, but D4 is a sensation in terms of player numbers atm and, from my own judgment of D4 gameplay compared to previous Diablo iterations, that sensation is justified

so I'm not going to be surprised if it will cause a playerbase dip, even if it's a temporary one

[cyan notch]

i mean new game

[ionic needle]

I guess it's heresy to roll necromancer in d4?

[cyan notch]

and darktide no new content

[weak galleon]

is Decimator meta for Antax mk5? Just for the blessing.
im running headtaker lvl2 on my axe atm.

[cyan notch]

darktide no update no news no content

[fresh steeple]

Darktide actively delaying what little news it was supposed to have

[ionic needle]

Hopefully some news this week though

[fresh steeple]

how so?

[cyan notch]

er guys we yeah uh new map uh yeah erm content coming soon in the next couple months er maybe yea

[ionic needle]

Feels very nurglish to resurrect rotten corpses to fight for you

[fresh steeple]

did you never get the memo that the Imperium of Man is a skull-obsessed death cult?

[fresh steeple]

Servitors

Imperial Saints

Legion of the Damned

Sanctioned Psykers

[ionic needle]

True, true

I'll be fine then

[fresh steeple]

Hold true in your heart that what you do, you do for the Imperium and for the Holy God-Emperor, and all else is simply a necessity to fulfill your pious obligation

(disclaimer: my two main armies are Necrons and TSons, so I may not be a reliable authority on Imperial piety)

TSons/Daemons of Tzeentch, really. With a few Chaos Knights interspersed in there.

ahem All praise the God-Emperor who is definitely not a decrepit corpse

[full bane]

Mornin Spark’Eads

[karmic delta]

mornin sweet brute

[full bane]

[tight saddle]

Milkymelky lactating extra this week.

[full bane]

Milk gave me this Beaut of a Kicky

Safe to say I’m very happy

[rotund flint]

holy feck what a numbers

[full bane]

POV: you are a dreg rager and I’m using this Kicky

[ionic frost]

I wonder if Fatshark has had over a million crash reports by now...

Then again that number sounds way too low.

They probably have a hundred from me.

[rotund flint]

woah, that bad?

[ionic frost]

I just crashed in the Psykanium changing inventory presets. =)

I rarely crash during a regular game tho.

But I've been playing since November 27th or 28th.

[rotund flint]

Ah day like day, I thought it's normal XD

[ionic frost]

Had one "Out of Memory" crash...when Darktide was using over 44 GB of RAM...lol

Filled up my pagefile

[rotund flint]

Oo oof

[fresh steeple]

that sounds like a bona fide memory leak

[ionic frost]

Never seen a memory leak THAT bad. =)

Question: How long would it take Darktide to leak 512 GB of RAM...

Answer: Next Week ™️

[ornate hamlet]

Anything to change for Perks?

[full bane]

I’d change Weakspot to unarmored

[graceful eagle]

I’d change Weakspot to maniac

[north cradle]

I want to see his melee weapon first before judging Maniac vs Unarmoured

I can two-shot a Mutant with my Illisi since it has +Maniac and jacked base stats. For all the other Specialists, there's Brain Burst

[ionic frost]

I have an Illisi that can two-shot Mutants without +Maniac. =)

[shy prairie]

tried out bloodthirsty on my ilisi

won't go back

[ionic frost]

#UnnerfBloodthirsty

I never got to enjoy 5 seconds of 100% crit rate... =(

[hollow creek]

Really dont get why people dont seem to like essense harvest at all, I tried using warp absorption and I was losing a lot more health. But then again im almost constantly brain-bursting so im basically constantly regenerating toughness

[shy prairie]

bb is not a real weapon

[ionic frost]

Quietitude is the best

[shy prairie]

bb is so you can reach across the map and sneeze on something and it'll die (tm) in one or two bbs

[hollow creek]

grandpa's got a migraine and he's givin it to you

[ionic frost]

the other two give you toughness when you're killing stuff...Quietitude gives you toughness when you need it to get back into action to not take damage.

Best paired with a LOW warp resist Deimos/Illisi =)

cmon 0% warp resist force swords!

[late yew]

you are not a real person >:^(

[fresh steeple]

everyone on the internet is a bot except you

[shy prairie]

[ionic frost]

The Psykanium is a time warp!

[prisma condor]

Is it worth having crit on purgatus?

[gloomy yarrow]

Not as a perk but with warp nexus

[gloomy yarrow]

Nice

I’d like to have flak damage tho

[prisma condor]

Barely gives anything with crit

[gloomy yarrow]

You get 2 soulblaze stacks per crit

[prisma condor]

Wasn't there a blessing for that

[gloomy yarrow]

No

[prisma condor]

Crit have 2 stacks

[gloomy yarrow]

If you crit with purg you get 2 stacks instead of just 1

[gloomy yarrow]

I don’t even know if you can get that on purg

[prisma condor]

Oh that's only for trauma

Purgatus only got 3

With 2 special on tier 2 and 3

[fresh steeple]

naw, it's good as a perk too

not saying it's obligatory. But it's nice.

[fresh steeple]

Trauma and Voidstrike

[sharp kraken]

How do people use the voidstrike? Whenever I see people use it they delete entire hordes. When I use it, I can't even kill a poxwalker

[fresh steeple]

they don't

[thick beacon]

I have a soft spot for Warp Absorption, even if it is quite gimmicky. 20% toughness per kill on Illisi specials is funny

[hollow creek]

It's 15% tho, unless they didnt update the text?

[fresh steeple]

I don't know what you're seeing, but Voidstrike has a 6-target hardcap on its "cleave"

[thick beacon]

You get your melee kill toughness too

[fresh steeple]

best you can do is max its damage roll, get Transfer Peril+Warp Flurry, and shoot off many bolts over and over

[thick beacon]

The hitreg is kinda jank, so you have to aim a little overhead to get more reliable headshots. Then just listen for that sweet popopopopopop sound. That's the true path of the Voidstrike

[fresh steeple]

and then aim for slightly above a target's head

jinx

[thick beacon]

Also for extra jank, Voidstrike charged shots don't show orange damage on headshot vs Reapers in the psykhanium, but they do deal headshot damage... 🤷‍♂️

[hearty python]

@sharp kraken Warp Flurry + Transfer Peril hold RMB and click LMB about 1/sec

@fresh steeple Void also has a fairly large stagger and stagger radius that stops the horde where the explosion happens allowing repeated shots to continue killing.

[thick beacon]

I think the large radius is suppression rather than stagger, isn't it?

[hearty python]

@sharp kraken don't listen to Bad Karma he's just a hater stick on numbers and not on actual gameplay

[fresh steeple]

Sure. But you can say that about... all of our staves. They asked about damage output

and I said that damage output is going to be lower than they think because of a hard cleave cap. That's fax.

[hearty python]

@thick beacon I don't know for sure, I just know they all do the kinda "hunker down" animation when it explodes near them.

Not really sure about the difference

[thick beacon]

Ye, the hunker down is suppression. It will stagger in the near radius, but that's only like 2m or something

[hearty python]

@thick beacon ok, well either way I find it very effective.

[thick beacon]

Likewise; it's my preferred staff from a fun perspective, and I've found it effective

It does confuse me as to why it even has Terrifying Barrage as a blessing choice - I can't remember what the Blast Radius stat can reach, but it'd probably close to Tier 2 TB at least?

[lethal folio]

Voidstrike charged attack has barely any suppression.

[tidal scaffold]

How do people use the lightning staff effectively, I feel like I'm just tickling the heretics

[gloomy yarrow]

It picks 2 enemies to deal max damage too I think so unless it’s those 2 you just tickle them

A little annoying but the staff if crowd control first damage second

[tidal scaffold]

It feels like there's much better crowd control i.e soulblaze staff

[gloomy yarrow]

That’s a damage staff it destroys everything you point it at

[tidal scaffold]

Which is a form of crowd control

[gloomy yarrow]

Surge because it stuns

I guess if you could consider purgatus cuz the crowd is probably pretty controlled if they’re dead

[graceful eagle]

you supposed to use it effectively against armored targets and tickle the rest

[tropic vigil]

so i should probably replace run and gun with warp and also replace crit? not sure which perks are best on surge

[shy prairie]

warp nexus blessing,
crit chance/flak perk iirc

[tropic vigil]

k

thank you

the extra stam would be unnecessary so i can ditch that

[lost kestrel]

Hey all, anyone able to assist with Psyker penances? Have to do it in a private game

[gloomy yarrow]

Kurze?

[lost kestrel]

I wish lol

wasn't sure if here or general was better to ask thought here was more appropriate

[gloomy yarrow]

It’s here

I still have to get that one too

[lost kestrel]

good would hate to waste time

happy to help you too

[gloomy yarrow]

I can’t do it now I’m busy

[lost kestrel]

no worries

[gloomy yarrow]

Sorry

[lost kestrel]

it's all good man

[gloomy yarrow]

Just put your friend code in your name

[lost kestrel]

I'm on most nights Conrad82#4100

[gloomy yarrow]

Steam friend code

[fresh steeple]

bit late on this, but Surge is not a damage staff

you use it effectively by using it as little as possible

pair it with Illisi, play with a melee Psyker mindset, and only pull Surge out to lock down elite clusters, specialists, and sometimes gunner squads that are too far away

[tidal scaffold]

okay so not the kinda build i wanna try

[fresh steeple]

the only way I consider a Surge Psyker to be playing the game properly is if their damage percentages are, like, 80% melee 20% ranged

[fresh steeple]

what are you looking for?

[tidal scaffold]

melee as a secondary mostly staff and brain blast

[fresh steeple]

then you want either Trauma or Voidstrike

Purgatus is a mix of melee and ranged imo, based on what you're fighting

Trauma can be used as a secondary to a mainly melee build, but it can also be an almost exclusively ranged weapon

Voidstrike is basically good for nothing except rapid railgun shots

[graceful eagle]

reject staffs embrace autopistol

[tidal scaffold]

tbh ive really liked voidstrike, it do feel like bowling

look i'm not playing psyker to use a gun

thats what my veteran is for

[fresh steeple]

this is the most recent game I played last night

with Trauma

[gloomy yarrow]

Take Deimos sword (looks like a weener) with executioner and warp unleashed and purg/trauma/voidstrike

[fresh steeple]

the only melee kills the entire game were, like, two Mutants and a dog iirc

[tidal scaffold]

I hate the layout of this scoreboard its too much

[fresh steeple]

sorry. I have everything enabled just in case I want to look at it, but I honestly don't take much of it seriously to begin with

Actual Damage dealt, and then Melee Kills and Ranged Kills

those are the relevant numbers to your inquiry of "I want a build where I only use melee on rare occasions"

[tidal scaffold]

damn okay

no melee at all

[cyan portal]

the damage section is duplicating a bunch of the basic mods numbers. specials killed etc

[tidal scaffold]

you need a reliable team too, at least i do for now as low level psyker

[fresh steeple]

I basically only pull out my sword under the specific conditions of "Mutant/dog incoming," "I'm stuck in a corner against chaff and can't charge a staff explosion in time," and "monstrosity, maybe"

[fresh steeple]

if you're talking about what you play when leveling, the answer is 'whatever is the best garbage I can get'

Trauma in particular is basically a cripple's walking stick without maxed stats

I'd never recommend it to a leveling Psyker. I'd just tell them to run Purg with some decent melee option because Purg is the simplest staff in terms of positioning and aiming

"aim generally in the right direction for RMB, and use LMB to stun targets that get too close"

[hearty python]

@fresh steeple I found Trauma to be ok when I first got it until I found Void and the Flurry+Transfer combo.

Purg seems to require Warp Nexus to really kill, up until I recently made one with that I never felt like it really did anything for me.

I honestly think you can level with any of the Staffs as long as you're playing on a difficulty that matches your level and equipment rating though.

They're all useful and effective if used right and everyone should try each of them out to figure out what matches their preferred play style.

[fresh steeple]

all that crits do for Purg is apply stacks faster. They don't increase damage thresholds. They're purely a matter of faster ramp-up

Trauma is astounding at high stat thresholds, mediocre at middling thresholds, and unusable at low thresholds. I can say this having played with fairweather friends who used lowbie versions of that staff, and thus directly compare. The amount of charge time it takes to get a lowbie Trauma staff running makes it functionally impossible to use as intended

you'll cap out peril after 3 or 4 full charges and take 5 seconds to quell

it gets the biggest glow-up of the four in terms of stat thresholds. Purg can still do its job at the same speed with lower Burn stat, Surge can still fully stun at the same speed with uncharged shots, Void can still shoot off a lot of bolts in lower difficulties even if you need to manually quell because you didn't find Transfer yet

though if we're assuming Josh is, like, playing Sedition missions and stuff, I'm sure it's not going to be a damning circumstance to use any staff with low stats. It's just that Trauma won't be able to fulfill the role of "extremely rapid constant explosion machine with no melee damage" because it takes too long and costs too much peril to get off sufficient casts. You'll need to be more willing to use melee attacks

[tidal scaffold]

psyker is the last class i'm maxing out of the 4 I just like getting opinions and ideas from people who have palyed the class more. I appreciate all the info

[fresh steeple]

I direct your attention to this

gives you an overview of "what our main options all do" and lets you pick yourself what you want to do (if your goal is to keep within meta confines, anyway)

[light cargo]

annnnnnd I'm just going to snip that linked comment, since it answers a lot of my own questions

[fresh steeple]

You're welcome, witch 🙂

I added a small edit to the post for Surge

[lethal folio]

turns out you can just push captains over with the sword.

[tidal scaffold]

diff6 they start mixing captains in as minibosses

[spice veldt]

if you have an 80% quell speed staff and you can generate 100% peril in less than 6 seconds, then Quietude provides as much or more toughness than essence harvest without constraining you to using a specific weapon

[olive ember]

out of curiosity could you push a captain into a hole and instant kill lmao

[lethal folio]

Yes.

Or possibly, it's happened in the past.

Oubliette captain is already easy though and chasm terminus has no holes.

[hollow creek]

My build has a lot of peril resistance

[spice veldt]

makes sense

I love me warp unleashed

[vestal rose]

they don't know about the chasm terminus hole

[tired tinsel]

how did you get that scoreboard?

Is that a mod?

[meager plinth]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/22?tab=description

there you go sibling

[tired tinsel]

thank you!

[fresh steeple]

You need Scoreboard Damage as a secondary mod for all of that extra data

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/126

[tired tinsel]

thanks, i'll get that as well then

I always thought it was super weird that the game doesn't have an endgame scoreboard so it's nice you can get a mod for it

[fresh steeple]

in earnest, do not rely on it much. It'll cause some serious tunnel-visioning and bad gameplay if you think of it as some sort of arbiter of good gameplay

its primary uses to me are 1. seeing how much damage you took, 2. seeing breakdowns to determine if you have any gaps in your damage output, and 3. determining if you're hogging ammo (for classes/specs that use guns, anyway)

[tired tinsel]

Yeah the extra info is super useful when comparing builds I'd imagine

[meager plinth]

its also fun to just get massive numbers when your build clicks

also siblings, which perks do yall use for purgatus?

just got this new toy

[fresh steeple]

reroll Unyielding to Crit Chance

or rather, don't

becuase both of the blessings are big rip

[meager plinth]

Im replacing TB by warp nexus T4

[fresh steeple]

RNG is still garbo compared to Flurry

but if you intend to use that, then yeah, I'd say Unyielding into Crit Chance

[meager plinth]

Im not gonna use more than 2-3 puffs so I wont make use of flurry much

[near wyvern]

not bad tbh, only missing +2% toughness

[fresh steeple]

hmm

would ya look at that

perhaps the best Emperor's Gift I've ever gotten

hmmmmmm buy it, or don't buy it because level 75 Stamina Curios are bugged indefinitely?

[lunar hollow]

what is wrong with level 75 stamina curios

[fresh steeple]

they only give 2 stamina for some reason

[lunar hollow]

reminds me of the bug from december

where stamina curios capped out at +1 no matter what

[fresh steeple]

my best 3-stam on my Psyker is currently this:

[spice veldt]

the good ol' days when I ran three stamina curios

[fresh steeple]

on one hand, it's a damn good +3. On the other hand, I don't really run stamina curios. On the other other hand, I have way too many Melk points

[lunar hollow]

i keep a spare +3 stamina curio on every class except ogryn

never hurts

[fresh steeple]

Ima buy it methinks

a +3 with Revive Ally and 30% Toughness Regen is pretty nice imo

maybe swap to Stam regen or something I dunno. I almost feel like I shouldn't even have Block Efficiency anymore, since nobody ever wants to fight Daemonhosts

and that's my main reason for having that perk

[kind jay]

i keep mine because the only time i find my curios to be useful is when someone goofs a dh awake

[spice veldt]

I like my stamina regen since it's more generally applicable; I like toughness regen and toughness on the other slots similar to what Pygex has on his curio

[fresh steeple]

since nobody will answer in general

is anyone dealing wiht bugged Melk contracts that don't update after missions?

mine will only update if I run a second mission or sign out and back in

and I don't know if it's a recent patch issue or a mod issue, but it just started happening a few days ago to my recollection

[raw otter]

it happens to me as well

[frozen osprey]

do y'all think we'll ever get these stances?

[cyan portal]

slowly approaching perfection

[raw otter]

could say the same about the portraits, and unused cosmetics and accessories and weapons 🥲

but yea most likely in the future prob

[frozen osprey]

at least we got a bit of diversity with those now but we still only got the same three stances

[raw otter]

rip

i wonder also about the insignias

there were a lot of them also

[kind jay]

my purg needs more firewood

[frozen osprey]

so many missed opportunities. you'd think they'd be easy to implement.

esp the weapon ones. just come up with a kill count for each, slap them in an achievement and boom. done.

maybe im wrong tho, who knows

[raw otter]

yea it would be easy for sure
but i still believe the fact they want to release this "content" slowly, gradually strategically
so that people will think they worked on something when in reality was just something that could be done very quick

sadly many companies do this anyway 🥲
delaying content that was supposed to be at launch

and offering deceived as "free update"

[frozen osprey]

god i just hope this game doesn't die before they do

it's so damn fun

[fresh steeple]

woo lad

first time I've ever run HISTG on Smelter Complex

that last room is one of the worst things I've ever experienced

our original fourth ragequit too after dying several times at the beginning, and we did half of the mission with a bot before the Ogryn joined

barely clawed to the end. At least that last bit doesn't also have a bunch of specialists in it

[karmic delta]

Wallah

Least the mission's done

[marsh kayak]

Yo is toughness really that good?? Never tried it

I use block efficiency

[karmic delta]

The smelter can be brutal because you have the demon growths. Horde. And the specials to worry about

[spice veldt]

Toughness Regen Speed increases the speed of toughness regeneration from coherency

most weapons have a base coherency regen speed of 7.5 toughness/s, so +90% scales that to 14.25 tough/s, which is quite a sizeable and noticeable improvement

[fresh steeple]

regen speed? It's verrrry good

[cyan portal]

You don't take any bleed through dmg when hit with 100% toughness, and given how fragile pysker is the best way not to take dmg is to be at 100% toughness all the time.

[fresh steeple]

if you're in coherency, anyway

even with Quietude it's very good

[spice veldt]

against ranged engagements where you're usually with your team, it's very nice

[cyan portal]

I don't rate block efficiency because I always run kinetic deflection to use peril for block.

[spice veldt]

and with the fixed block costs for force swords, it's not really needed as long as you run +3 stam or KD

at least with the Illisi, I only find myself having to ever block ragers

or when I'm running around the tree in Hab Dreyko's finale and blocking as I spam dodges

[cyan portal]

also when you rez a teammate in the middle of a horde

[spice veldt]

ah that too

[fresh steeple]

also if you want to be safer blocking Daemonhosts, assuming you have teams that actually let you fight them

[cyan portal]

just spam dodge and melee the DH, then it doesn't matter if your team are cowards

[fresh steeple]

any time I've ever fully dodgetanked a DH nobody can ever apparently do damage to it. I don't trust their aiming capacity after multiple situations where I'm dodging in circles for 5 minutes until I eventually get clipped by a spawned mob from some other direction

so I prefer stam and some BE so that I can actually stand still a bit or take a blocked hit

but nobody ever fights DHs anymore unless there's a Hammer Zealot on the team, so I rolled off BE

[cyan portal]

That's why you kill it yourself while dodging.

[fresh steeple]

I just ain't that good. alas

I can fight them while dodging and blocking

I can't solo them while dodging and blocking 😛

[green sphinx]

I've kited daemonhosts with only a cleaver 3 times on heresy before

You just need to pray the team does damage, then find a good pillar or bit of terrain

[fresh steeple]

yeah, that ain't the hypothetical, though

they're saying one should solo the DH

[green sphinx]

idk if you can as ogryn

you just do no damage to monstrosities

[fresh steeple]

theoretically anyone could, given enough time and no other mobs interrupting

[green sphinx]

i've only seen zealots solo a DH, once with a knife, and then several times with TH ofc

[cyan portal]

Only block if you miss a dodge and get off max toughness, then stand still blocking to get enough peril so that when you go back to dodging it turns into enough toughness to put you safely back at max so you can safely attack again.

[fresh steeple]

the patterns are relatively predictable, and there's a small window where you can get in one hit, but it would take a hella long time

[green sphinx]

yeah you can't be perfect for that long

although your hp pool lets you fuck up a bit more than other classes

[fresh steeple]

apparently Meow can, but he's taking the piss, I believe

there's more to worry about than just the DH

if it's literally just the DH the whole time I could do it, but you'll inevitably trigger mid-boss spawns if you take too long

[cyan portal]

I'm actually serious, DH are easy once you get it. I don't normally pull them because no benefit. But if a teammate accidentally pulls I make sure I do first damage so it attacks me once they die and the run doesn't get screwed.

[fresh steeple]

I literally do not believe you. I do not believe you are capable of soloing a Daemonhost with no team support at all in the middle of a Damnation run while other mobs are coming in.

It's so extraordinarily bullshit-sounding to me that I won't believe it without a video of you doing it

[cyan portal]

I probably have it in a video, can find of you want?

[fresh steeple]

Sure. Go find me a video of you soloing a Daemonhost while also tanking it, in Damnation, with no teammates to help you with either the Daemonhost or with mobs.

I will gladly watch it with sublime awe and declare you the best Tide player I've ever seen if you can pull off something like that

(incidentally I'll also question why your teammates all stood idly by and watched you do it :P)

[cyan portal]

Lol, yeah i don't have that video, my teammates aren't ever that braindead. Will ask them to be and get back to you to prove the point though.

[fresh steeple]

you don't have to prove the point. It's okay to have teammates who help you with Daemonhosts. They should.

[cyan portal]

I can tank and solo attack it with other mobs around, I don't think I could also kill all the other mobs at the same time beyond helping out with AB.

[fresh steeple]

setting aside such bizarre hypotheticals

[cyan portal]

I'm sure I'm not the best player. But still once you get used to just dodging constantly the DH always misses, and so you are free to swing your sword and slowly kill it.

[fresh steeple]

I'm surprised you took Combat Ability CD

[rocky osprey]

either of these good blessings for the trauma staff/worth spending for to earn?

[fresh steeple]

they're both astounding

[cyan portal]

it is great, ult more often = more dmg. none of the other curio blessings help with offense.

[fresh steeple]

and frankly the weapon itself is pretty worth using right there, as damage isn't that important

the perks are a bit weak

but yes, those are BiS blessings for Trauma

[rocky osprey]

ohh okay

[fresh steeple]

I would collect it and save it iwthout extracting

and then when you find one with higher stats and one of the two, you'll know which one to extract for the craft

[rocky osprey]

word ty

haven't really played with trauma staff since launch. I hear it's gotten better?

[fresh steeple]

substantially

they fixed several bugs with it

it's now astounding

[spice veldt]

the only numerical change was the cut down of the peril generation on cast

so instead of doing 47% peril at 80% warp res, it generates something along the lines of 24% peril now

and there's the benefit of being able to take full advantage of blessings like warp flurry

[fresh steeple]

they fixed the Warp Flurry bug too, though

okay there it is. Jinx.

[spice veldt]

was there another warp flurry bug?

the one I'm thinking of only affected surge/purg

[fresh steeple]

the one I'm thinking of fucked with Trauma as well

either way, Trauma is much better

[fresh steeple]

and to wit, a Trauma staff with max Warp Res and max Charge Rate will generate 16% peril for a full cast if you have 6 Warp Charges and Inner Tranquility

and it will generate 9-10% for a full charged attack under those same conditions with 5 stacks of Flurry

[lunar hollow]

trauma with inner tranq, warp battery, and 5 stacks of flurry is simply the most sublime experience

[fresh steeple]

just constant explosions everywhere

entire packs of gunners vaporized the moment they show up

pox hounds flying through the air, poxbursters dying 20 yards away

[lunar hollow]

countless teammates saved from melee elites

because unlike them i have eyes and can see the mauler .3 seconds away from crushing their skull in with an overhead

[fresh steeple]

Entire squads of Ragers and Maulers and Crushers just being juggled through the air

[lunar hollow]

trauma staff is so funny for melee patrols

cuz u can just solo them so comfortably

with minimal dodging

[fresh steeple]

honestly one of my biggest peeves in any team engagement is someone letting a single poxwalker slip behind and me either dodging from the sound or imssing the dodge and losing my stacks

[spice veldt]

not having to ever kite is super nice

[fresh steeple]

like, "people, let me work my art, thank you very much"

[lunar hollow]

when the class that has infinite dodge force sword also has trauma staff

survivability for days

[spice veldt]

imagine ever needing to learn the map lmao

or to put yourself in risky situations by being forced to go into uncleared areas