psyker-class

[cyan notch]

no

it adds like 12 damage

[strong thicket]

How come my psyker gets better guns than my vet with a fraction of playtime

Fatshark wtf

I have 3 perfect bases for vraks 3 unbelievable

[feral topaz]

Same reason why my zealot has a God tier vraks 3 whereas my vet has a med one

[ornate hamlet]

My psyker being a better gun user than my vet

[ornate hamlet]

Just wondering, but which axe is suitable for the "single-strike nuke" style?

Rashad, Antax or Achlys?

[strong thicket]

Rashad and antax

Rashad has faster heavies tho

[olive ember]

what do you mean by single strike nuke style?

[karmic delta]

Achlys has the most single target attacks but I hear its the worst Caxe

Antax

[olive ember]

Rashad is better than antax now since hitboxes were fixed

atleast according to the zealots

the main reason being that rashad has finesse while the antax have cleave. Cleave is useless since brutal momentum exists, but finesse increases attack speed, which makes the rashad better than the antax now that its hitboxes aren't shit

[karmic delta]

Cleave is useless anyway. BM is godly with the Antax.

Antax has some weird quirks on it though

I usually just hold left click with a BM Antax. And it actually worked.

[olive ember]

I mean yeah

thats the antax for you

but the rashad is apparently just the antax, but with faster swings

[karmic delta]

Doesnt really matter to me how fast it is

[olive ember]

eh just in terms of dps

you can swing faster so it kills faster

but tbh both are broke anyways so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[karmic delta]

Depends on how you use it 😉

[near wyvern]

Rashad has finesse while antax has cleave damage. This means rashad has faster swings and deals more weak spot and crit damage while antax deals some more damage to those extra Bromentum targets.

I advise to use antax on zealot and rashad on vet and psyker if you want to use a caxe because without the zealot attack speed buff the antax is too slow and you will get hit.

You can obviously use rashad on a zealot if you prefer it.

[olive ember]

🤔

guess I gotta grind one for my vet

the perpetual grind continues

[near wyvern]

You get one with headtaker and Bromentum and you will forget powersword ever existed.

[olive ember]

I mean I already run antax on my vet and zealot

so

[split oxide]

In the far future, there is only grind.
(im 55k away from 1M)

[olive ember]

SURGE STAFF IS BEST STAFF

[ornate hamlet]

Surely there is a phone app for people like me, who want to grind and find people to grind with

[kind jay]

forget surge. embrace laser.

(pls buff surge)

[olive ember]

Surge staff needs super buffs

but its still best staff

;-;

[kind jay]

true

[split oxide]

We're all experienced players here. We've done the god-rolls and meta-builds.
Time for Profane // Feat-less // HiShock5.

[kind jay]

reconlas only

no fs allowed

[cyan notch]

its cleave targets

so antax just does strictly less

[ornate hamlet]

Got this for free.

Which one should I earn first, if it (the weapon) ain't good?

[cyan notch]

yea vertical lights and worse heavies than rashad and antax

[ornate hamlet]

I thought the Rashad's heavy would be good at piercing armour.

[cyan notch]

they are

[strong thicket]

Yeah I like gun psyker

[vestal raven]

worth a buy for pysker?

crit gameplay

zzzzz

[split oxide]

Scoring is Flawed & (potentially)Toxic
Gun always does more damage than Psyker. (the overkill score does it).

• Two slashes to the weakspot scores less
• One plasma to the weakspot scores more
• Same dead dreg.

Scoreboard is like a gun.

• You can use it for homeprotection and vermin.
• You can shoot people for blocking you in traffic.

Scoreboard:

• can be used to see where you're weak and identify room for improvement
• can be used to chase door-activations, cogitators while neglecting clearing the room to your teammates
  (I think someone called it a green-circle-chaser (probably a VT statement))

[vestal raven]

wait how does infernus work on pysker? Just normal fire dmg or soulblaze

[spice veldt]

same as the other classes; just boring old burn

[vestal raven]

zzzz

the only mk12's i get are crit based ones lmfao

no matter how many times i upgrade them

[spice veldt]

better save them up for the subclass with crit-related feats in 2 years

[vestal raven]

might as well

[kind jay]

2 years? lookit this guy with his high hopes

in 2 years well get the commlink for the crit related class. then another 2 for the class

[ember hornet]

[olive ember]

76%

burn

[ornate hamlet]

Please don't burn, he didn't mean it

[near wyvern]

XII tends to overkill with psyker when having warp unleashed and warp charges, you are usually better off downgrading to Ia or IV

Plus the fast weapon swap with IV is great for getting those BBs off a bit faster.

[cyan notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/958078780834971688.gif?size=160&quality=lossless

[vestal raven]

i c

what blessings and perks u want?

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-emperor-warhammer40000-warhammer40k-astartes-gif-14334202

[near wyvern]

There are a lot of nice options but none that are clearly superior over the other.

On Ia you kinda want efficiency since for some reason it has really low reserve ammo count (the real description in case of Ia should be, gain 66% ammo reduction on your next shot after X seconds, you can keep firing and regular shots cost 3 ammo while efficiency shot costs 1 ammo)

Headhunter + Infernus is nice on IV

Between the eyes + Ghost is a solid combo on both as well, helps you to fight those ranged trash.

Opening salvo and no respite help to deal with elites.

Opening salvo has also an interesting functionality in that when hip firing it resets almost immediately, so having opening salvo actually makes the Lasguns pretty deadly when hip fired at medium to close range.

For perks it depends on your weapon roll, expect Ia to reach one shot treshold against all ranged trash quite easily, IV can reach one shot treshold with 0 peril and 6 stacks on dreg autogunners and scab riflemen with correct rolls and perks but not scab stalkers, it does make it up for it by consuming only 2 ammo per shot and having a very fast fire rate.

Don't count on having a lot of peril up since it decays so fast now. If there would be an option to disable peril decay that would just buff the build since you only need 97% to BB.

For feats I strongly recommend either the one build (111111) or the one build with kinetic shielding (111211).

[vestal raven]

thank you as always

ill go for bte and ghost

melk has a decent one with ghost 3 already

[near wyvern]

And Illisi for melee (obviously)

[ember hornet]

illisi be like, sure bring a revolver cause secondary hardly matters if you just use illisi

[feral verge]

@near wyvern maybe i'm coping, but i'm hoping to see blessing/perk unlocks for the next update

if that happens, what should i replace crit hit chance with? (on deimos, ofc)

flak?

[near wyvern]

Yup

[feral verge]

and infested on this illisi? or once again, flak?

[near wyvern]

Cause carapace is basically crushers and you wanna keep your distance to those guys anyways and unyielding is already done by BB or BB into special heavy

[feral verge]

yeee true

[near wyvern]

With Slaugherer Illisi you want maniac + flak

With a good roll you should have 300 weak spot heavies already which is all you need to get the party blender started

[feral verge]

ooh yee

love me breakpoints

last question i think

unarmored to flak?

[cyan notch]

how u gonna change unarmoured

[vestal raven]

no one tell him

[feral verge]

.

[near wyvern]

I would change unarmoured to flak yes, because flak is the most common armour type, 2 of 3 ranged mobs and it helps with melting maulers faster.

And before someone comes in and whines that numerically infested and unarmoured make the most due to hordes, just c'mon, against purgatus it's like they are not there

[olive ember]

But what about my

0.5 second faster kill times

[cyan notch]

numerically infested and unarmoured make the most due to hordes

[hidden crystal]

Well, I like the MG XII on psyker, but I don't like Stability as a dumpstat (my preferred dumpstat for it is ammo), and I don't like the crit based blessings for it, so not exactly my preferred version of it.

The thing is, it's pretty darn damaging as it is, and it doesn't have a high enough crit chance or rate of fire for crits to be reliable.

I'm not a great fan of the MG IV, as there's some light enemy types on higher difficulties that can't be one-shotted even by a headshot, even with good damage/stopping power stats and every damage bonus I can reasonably stack.

(I may be missing some bonus, but when I've got an MG IV with near maximum damage/stopping power, T4 Flak armour damage, six warp charges and warp unleashed - albeit admittedly at zero peril - I don't think a dreg bruiser can be one shotted by the MG IV, other than by getting lucky with a crit, and that's not a high enough chance to be reliable).

I mostly rule out the 1a on the basis that it doesn't fire enough faster than the XII to be worth the drawback of less ammo and damage.

[strong thicket]

I was able to carry a whole section solo thanks to shredder and it shows on the score that's all that matters to me. I had a good game and wanted to share

[hidden crystal]

At present, my favourite perk combination for the XII is Between the Eyes and Ghost; Between the Eyes isn't impressive on its own, but it synergises well with Ghost.

I had a game last night where I got grouped with a Purgatus Psyker, a Surge Psyker and a Rumbler Ogryn, so I very much ended up on marksman duty.

I mean, yes, with that many psykers you can somewhat just rely on brain burst for long ranged damage, but the XII is still generally going to be more efficient for clearing out shooter squads.

[strong thicket]

True but you'd need patient ppl and you don't find many of those between pugs

[hidden crystal]

This was Consignment Yard HL17-36, and during the mid-mission event I ended up in the overlooking control chamber babysitting the interrogator up there because... well, I was the only person who actually had a weapon that was effective from up there.

Also, to be honest, this also meant I wasn't trying to see targets through flames, lightning or an ogryn.

[edgy kite]

Starts brainbursting a target

[The Veteran Next to Me] Sees it as a targeting marker and unloads half his ammo

[strong thicket]

starts spraying bolter on the crusher i'm already BBing

5 minutes later

"I NEED AMMO"

[edgy kite]

For real, people are dumb and have no common sense anymore, like.. one elite, let me brain burst it, then you have ammo for when we get SEVERAL ogryns rushing us at once

[hidden crystal]

One that comes up for me quite often is "Why are you running to shove the pox burster WITH A BLUE HALO AROUND ITS HEAD?"

[split oxide]

I believe you - and I said what I said after a rough day - apologies.
Still - even slightly competent guns outperform staves in small encounters.
Vets have grenades for bigger encounters.

[strong thicket]

No big deal

[strong thicket]

They'll learn when they get exploded one too many times

Also in those situations i just leave them deal with it

So ppl how do you build your deimos? I like illisi more cause it's more of a jack of all trades but wanna give the pointy stabber a chance

[vestal raven]

FOR MUTANT MURDER

caps

[kind jay]

you build it the same way as illy

flak, maniac, slaughterer, unstable/deflector

[restive slate]

I feel like I dont make use of deflector anymore, feel like replacing but can't part with it out of nostalgia

[kind jay]

it does nothing when you need it most (surrounded by spread out gunners)

it's a mid pick imo but people like it ig

i too am stuck with it due to hadron such is life

[pliant shadow]

oh yeah

typical behavior from a lot players

[hidden crystal]

Vets have grenades for bigger encounters.
Within limits, at least.

There was a game I was in the other day - on Vigil Station Oblivium, we got attacked by a plague ogryn on the bridge near the end, two of us got knocked off the edge, and I went down trying to deal with a tox flamer. The remaining vet did manage to finish the ogryn on his own and the bulwark that was guarding our respawn (a hell of a job there), but... well, when the horde turned up, it was a case of "dash for the respawn and hope I'm not downed before I get someone up".

I forgot to ask him afterwards if he'd specifically chosen to get me up first, or whether it was pure chance.

(I was there with an Illisi, so the horde didn't last very long).

[strong thicket]

I mean a competent vet like that would probably have enough "ram" to remember the psyker had an illisi

[split oxide]

Any psyker who's been down for more than 30 sec has PWrath on rescue.

[split oxide]

Vets have grenades for bigger encounters.

• Within limits, at least.
  Camo Vets run out of nades so fast.

[hidden crystal]

This was also quite effective.

[strong thicket]

Camo vets should not exist

[split oxide]

Camo Vets should have 'cosmetic' effect.. like ghilli suit or something on Mission-Lineup.
So we can spot them without Mods.

[hidden crystal]

The game should just be much better at telling you about each player's build.

A lot of the talents you can pick are way less useful if the other players don't know about them.

[split oxide]

1. The mod that lets you switch Primary/Secondary weapon on 'MissionLineUp' should be part of the official code.
2. Camo Feat should have ghilli scarf cosmetic or something around vet. Or slight shimmering distortion field.

[ember hornet]

just be a solo superstar like everyone else

[hidden crystal]

You often can't be in coherency with everyone, so knowing who's running what bonuses to people in their coherency could often be useful.

... or not running anything, indeed.

[split oxide]

You know a comment hits a nerve, when they respond "get gud/skill issue omegalul"
I know you were joking .. (the just like everyone else was the qualifier.)

[ember hornet]

I mean you just can't consistently rely on pub teammates so it's just best to build well rounded and teammate bonuses are a cherry on top

but I suppose more team play dynamics could be cool

rather than everyone building to solo all situations

knowing if a vet has nade regen without mods would be dope

[brisk kelp]

what's good perks for illisi? Flak?

[ember hornet]

flak and you guessed it, maniac

or

infested for easy 20 poxwalkers

[split oxide]

I see your point:

1. a rounded build
2. not rely on others
3. PUGs are unpredicable.

But:

1. you're adding to the 'unpredictability'
2. a single camo adds +33% aggro (imagine hi5 or hishock5 on top of that)
3. two camos adds +100% aggro.
4. I had 3x camos .. checks notes .. +200% aggro

The GameDirector spawns a 4x man team of enemies.. but only sees you.
F. M. L.

[brisk kelp]

well, I have carapace and groaner/poxwalker, so I was thinking replacing the latter with flak

[ember hornet]

or you could do elite + unyielding for meme one shots on reapers

send screenshot

[ember hornet]

I suppose keep carapace cause you have uncanny and groaners to maybe maniac

actually

[near wyvern]

A bit late to this but I use it as a mobility defence stat stick with the ability to one shot mutants

So +maniac and +stamina for perks, Unstable Power 4 and Deflector 4 as my blessings.

I don't often hit with it but when I do it's usually a mutant face with second heavy, light spam against a doggo or light heavy on a nearby elite/special to finish them off.

[ember hornet]

can you test what uncanny does for illisi

[brisk kelp]

after this match, just let me know what you want me to do

[ember hornet]

vets are just enemies of the people

[split oxide]

Replace Carapace with Flak or unarmoured.
The choice is:

1. buff the job you do 99% of the time
2. or buff the 1% which saves your life.

I choose (1); use other tools in your arsenel for that 1%.

[near wyvern]

You are not going to have 20 pox walkers in Illisi range outside of creature spawner.

[ember hornet]

you might have 15

rarely

I'm not suggesting it's good

but it's funny

[split oxide]

With my Mod, I can see camo-experts now.

I admit I was wrong: some camoexperts are okay.
BUT:

1. Not all camo-experts are bad vets.
2. All bad-vets are camo-experts.

I've seen good ones. Theyre like "Turrets": dakka dakka dakka.. laying down elites one after another.
I got kinetic barrage, I've put down shooter-elites faster than bad-vets.

[near wyvern]

People need to start canning that uncanny strike, heavies deal base damage against everything else except mauler heads and crushers. Maulers are easily killed with a special and crushers should always be dealt at range. Don't say you always can't because you have the 'sit yo ass down' button on all force swords.

[ember hornet]

basically just see how much uncanny helps on normals and special for maniac flak and cara

I mean, uncanny is probably pretty decent if you are mostly doing solo illisi

I'm more of an unstable kind of guy but I can't imagine uncanny is bad

[brisk kelp]

will do, with or without special?

[ember hornet]

both

illisi normals are quite good

[near wyvern]

Uncanny Strike only works if the damage against that enemy is less than base damage. Given how heavy heavy is top single and multi target DPS for Illisi I don't understand why people run uncanny with it since only carapace gets a reduction thus only carapace can benefit from uncanny strike.

[ember hornet]

there's gotta be some benefit to maniac and flak right, I can't imagine illisi normals have 1 armor pen on those

I mean, someone can also just post a damage table from inspect

I'm not on atm

[split oxide]

I'm running Unstable .. but I'm still divided about: [Unstable, Uncanny, Executor, Shred].
IDGAF about anything except crushers, I don't want to go 'toe-to-toe' with them even with the 'knockdown'.
I'm just looking for a utility/easy-maintenance blessing.

[near wyvern]

Illisi heavy table

Only carapace gets affected by uncanny strike

[strong thicket]

Oh damn

[near wyvern]

Well uncanny strike isn't it since you gotta be hitting heads to keep it active. Slaugherer and Unstable Power are those you don't have to think about and you get benefit.

Slaughter every time you kill something, Unstable Power every time you special up for swap to melee because you hit high peril and have mobs in your face.

[static agate]

Whats best 2 blessings for trauma staff?

[near wyvern]

Define what best means to you

[static agate]

I got Warp flurry, which I think is good. More attacks

But second blessing to combo with it is what I'm after

[ember hornet]

well damn, uncanny is pretty terrible on illisi then

I was very spoiled on my first illisi minus one perk

[split oxide]

I don't understand what I'm looking at.
Heavy is the only daage that seems to get through Carapace.
What does that have to do with Uncanny?

[strong thicket]

Look at the heavy dmg on various enemies and the base heavy dmg

It's 126

[ember hornet]

what's the light damage table

[strong thicket]

Uncanny basically helps shred armour so that you reach the true dmg of the weapon

The only type of armour reducing your dmg and benefitting from uncanny is carapace

[near wyvern]

If you have warp flurry make sure to run inner tranquility and warp battery or you get very little benefit from it.

Trauma has shit tier crit modifier so Warp Nexus brings very little value.

Surge, Sustained Fire, Transfer Peril and Run 'n Gun work only with LMB for so they are garbage.

Focused Channeling can be of some use but it's mainly a bandaid solution for bad positioning, you don't want to trade hits as a Psyker on Damnation.

Blazing Spirit reguires specific rolls and Warp Nexus 4 so that's out of the question as well.

Terrifying Barrage supression gets overridden by the supression from LMB and stagger from RMB so no effect form the blessing.

This leaves us with Rending Shockwave, which doesn't increase your own damage since Trauma ignores armour but will increase your team's DPS on beefier targets when guy thrown them on the ground for them.

So there we have it, wither Focused Chabbeling (training wheels) or Rending Shockwave to pair with Warp Flurry.

@static agate

[ember hornet]

here is a handy graph for rending

[static agate]

@near wyvern Thank you. Thats basicly what I got currently then

[ember hornet]

rending only helps when your attack armor modifier is less than 1

[near wyvern]

@split oxide check image above

Combine this with the fact that heavy heavy combo is your top DPS on illisi for both single and multi target and you have infinite dodges you can use while you are at it

[ember hornet]

I might light spam is also a lawnmower and deletes elites

[static agate]

I got 2 Trauma staffs currently:

1. Warp Flurry 3 + Blazing Spirit 3
2. Warp Flurry 3 + Rending Shockwave 3

I just dont know which one I prefer most haha

[stone prawn]

im big fan bloodthirsty on illisi

[ember hornet]

everything is good on illisi

[cyan notch]

focused channeling is good

[stone prawn]

seems have no cleave cap when i use bloodthirst

[cyan notch]

lets u play aggressive

[ember hornet]

I was looking at at least maniac crit numbers compared to unstable power on illisi, it's really no different

[cyan notch]

if ur a noob then yea youll just think its for noobs

[split oxide]

Rending Shockwave, which doesn't increase your own damage since Trauma ignores armour but will increase your team's DPS
So Rending provides 'Brittleness'?
I thought Rending was personal.

[static agate]

Havnt unlocked Focused channeling yet :(

[ember hornet]

so unstable just has higher uptime

of a similar damage increase

[stone prawn]

24 poxwalker in 1 single heavy

[ember hornet]

rending and brittleness are the same thing more or less, sometimes brittleness means it's an enemy debuff

[near wyvern]

Light spam is only really good for when you panic and need to focus on your dodges. Heavy light combo is a much better one but heavy heavy is the best DPS, however, if requires you to know how to dodge unlike heavy light which is a lot safer to spam.

[cyan notch]

those are groaners

[stone prawn]

right

[ember hornet]

I mean, you don't need to opmitize it cause regardless lights or heavies are gonna delete everything with 6 warp charges, slaughterer, unstable, and warp unleashed

[near wyvern]

Rending is personal, Brittleness is for the enemy, same effect and they stack additively.

Funny fact, if you have enough rending on you and brittleness on enemy you can do more than 100% damage, but ONLY if your attack deals less than 100% damage on the tables.

[cyan notch]

light spam is pretty decent unless ur against bruisers

[stone prawn]

on poxwalker 10

[near wyvern]

Why would you not deal best DPS you can?

[brisk kelp]

so uncanny is dodo, which I should've expected since I like it

[split oxide]

Rending means: your additional attacks bypasses their damage-reduction.
Brittleness means: your entire teams attacks now benefits from bypassing their damage-reduction.

[ember hornet]

not 100% true but I think they are changing the tooltips in that direction, they have certainly changed several tooltips to align with that

[brisk kelp]

still need me to test the damage, lazorr?

[ember hornet]

nah

[brisk kelp]

kewl

[near wyvern]

Depends from the weapon, for force swords yes it's bad cause they have their damage on the heavies which ignore armour for all but carapace

[ember hornet]

apparently illisi has no use for uncanny outside of barrel memes

[brisk kelp]

so I'll keep it then, got it

[ember hornet]

I mean, sure there are times when you can optimize, but most other times it doesn't really make a difference imo cause illisi just busted

[split oxide]

I thought UNCANNY's USE-CASE was:

1. light attacks get damage reduced.
2. uncanny bypasses damage reduction.
3. light attacks now work on carapace.

[near wyvern]

It kinda is yes but why would you melee a crusher

[ember hornet]

but there's really no reason not to just special a crusher

[cyan notch]

not just crushers

[ember hornet]

or BB it

[cyan notch]

if u use uncanny it buffs your lights vs maniac flak etc

[near wyvern]

And light spam on trash is perfectly fine without uncanny

[ember hornet]

can someone post the light damage table

[split oxide]

true.
I hate it when six ogyns run past everyone and head for you.
At least you think it's six... they stack so close.

[near wyvern]

Against Ragers and Maulers you can just dodge back -> special up and delete them with a heavy (most often in single hit if you have Slaugherer stacks).

If you are fighting a mixed horde and not using heavy heavy you should work on your skills. I don't mean it as in 'git gud' I mean it as in it's ok you can't do it now but please spend the time learning the way so you can free up a blessing slot for something that can buff you even more (like unstable power).

[cyan notch]

id rather just special it

[ember hornet]

illisi lights are better than most other weapons with full buffs up

[near wyvern]

And the heavies are even better

[ember hornet]

and yeah I'd just use special

in most cases

[split oxide]

Crushers are so hard to dodge.
They have so many diff attacks, kick, swat, vanguard, strikedown.
Only the strikedown is telegraphed.

[cyan notch]

heavies can get interrupted though

and lights keep you mobile

[strong thicket]

Personally I prefer heavy1, block cancel, heavy1

[ember hornet]

lights are super fast at cleaning up specials and elites

very high dps

[near wyvern]

I just want people who come here asking for help to get advice that will steer them away from training wheels and guide them towards unlocking their full potential

[ember hornet]

it's not like we are recommending uncanny

if you want to talk training wheels, Illisi is a training wheel weapon

[near wyvern]

Half the Reddit already likes Mind in Motion

[cyan notch]

lights are hella safe and mobile and the swing arc is pretty generous and u cant get interrupted

[ember hornet]

why does anyone still think quelling is that relevant

[brisk kelp]

think we could smuggle a couple illisi out to the zealots?

[cyan notch]

only problem is if u run into a bunch of scab bruisers those things have like 2 hitmass

and lights aint gonna cut it if theres 5 of em

[ember hornet]

best we can do is a crusher or ironhelm

[cyan notch]

u can just use heavy sword light spam

its the same shit

[ember hornet]

I made this the other day and I refuse to use it

zealot is a holy place where only hammer is allowed

[brisk kelp]

honestly, illisi seems to just be slap until there's too many enemies, then special -> heavy and they're gone

[split oxide]

monster spawner..
been experimenting with crusher, captain, demonhost

[near wyvern]

I mean it is relevant but why would you walk and quell when you can dodge slide and quell while being immune to ranged attacks, which leads to the point that when you are sliding and quelling you are not using Mind in Motion

[ember hornet]

eh, you can 1 shot most of the specials and elites

quelling is relevant if what, you are spamming trauma or purg?

that's about it

[brisk kelp]

yeah, I've noticed :'<

[ember hornet]

yeah....

illisi goes hard

you can even 1 shot bulwarks

[brisk kelp]

it sure do be going hard

[split oxide]

only deimos does that

[ember hornet]

not true

[brisk kelp]

I legit think heavy special can oneshot a crusher (weakspot plus potentially slaughter stacks)

[split oxide]

How much damage is a 'special' multiplier?

[ember hornet]

depending on perks, illisi is capable of one shotting everything except maulers and crushers I think

maybe not dreg ragers either

[brisk kelp]

guess I'm wrong then x)

[ember hornet]

well, if you have full uncanny stacks and carapace perk you could maybe 1 shot a crusher

[split oxide]

Well crushers, maulers, ragers, chargers are the only ones i care about.

1. special, sitdown, special
2. sitdown/push only works if you have enough stamina... don't charge bursters to do a push.

[ember hornet]

oh the easiest enemies, except ragers

[strong thicket]

You also have to take into consideration that illisi doesn't freeze you into its animation

[brisk kelp]

to be fair, it might've been hit before, it's not like it was a controlled environment

[ember hornet]

but you also hit breakpoints for killing multiple maulers etc in 2 or 3 swings

[orchid shadow]

It can one shot dreg ragers too, head shot plus full stacks of slaughter I believe

[strong thicket]

This is also arguing like we're the only ppl on the team. Rarely I get to confront specials and elites 1v1

Unless it's high5 shock

[ember hornet]

I think it requires maniac too

[ember hornet]

I pretend I'm a zealot and run/slide at them with quicken and toughness + toughness DR

[strong thicket]

And you'd still get the ogg shooting his dakka or ripper and vet lobing a grenade in there

[ember hornet]

vets don't use grenades except for poxwalkers so that's not a problem

lol

[split oxide]

after all this time - I finally learned to 'start walking instead of running' when I hear a burster or something I want to push.

[strong thicket]

[ember hornet]

I just run at bursters and hope nobody with a bolter shoots it

[split oxide]

camovet never had a team of bulwarks charge him.

[brisk kelp]

they do, but the bulwarks keep charging past them

[ember hornet]

@viral solstice need clips of deleting crushers with vet nades and bolter

[split oxide]

that's my point 🙂

[viral solstice]

how many

i can do 20

[ember hornet]

uh

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/19XPTzUioQVjWY/d1337dDJnWCZ?invite=cr-MSw4RUEsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

this ones the coolest

[ember hornet]

whatever you have handy

[viral solstice]

so u get 10

[ember hornet]

[brisk kelp]

dayum

[orchid shadow]

I had that problem too. I was like, "Why don't I have stamina to push??"

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/19WVKQf6PaJW8p/d1337doNratG?invite=cr-MSw1WmksMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[strong thicket]

I run surge on my illisi

[viral solstice]

how about 10 of every single elite + 50 poxwalkers

[strong thicket]

No stamina problems

[brisk kelp]

don't get me wrong, it's impressive, but the other one is cooler

[viral solstice]

yeah its way cooler

that was just a test of optimal

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/19YyBGwOOeYLd-/d1337JV4B0pM?invite=cr-MSxKSDgsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

if u spread them out a bit like an actual horde it still works

[ember hornet]

vet needs buffs

[split oxide]

Funny- cos we spend all that time 'running' .

• ex-Surge psyker in me is used to 'closing the gap' for melee.
• S.O.L. if you need stamina left over for a push

[ember hornet]

I will close this gap while stunning 5 enemies at a time dammit

I'm sorry amigo

[spice veldt]

I'm used to my cardio from sprint eff so I was in for a rude awakening when I took them off

[orchid shadow]

I'm torn. Would it be better have 60-80+ free brain bursts per map with almost no control over when it triggers with Flayer BUT not be able to BB a rager / flamer from zero peril? Or not get free BB and charges but able to 1 shot ragers and flamers as long as I have 6 stacks?

[spice veldt]

flayer is pretty much for maintaining warp charges if you didn't run communion or don't Brain Burst enough; in my experience it does proc on elites fairly often but not reliably enough for it to be taken just because of the damage

[split oxide]

random - for the lulz

[spice veldt]

if you don't Brain Burst often and want to run Psykinetic aura, go for flayer

[brisk kelp]

It's great with a rapid fire gun since you just randomly oneshot things

[restive slate]

I use flayer for autopistol haha

[spice veldt]

oh yeah the crusher one shot

[ruby plover]

kinetic flayer on autopistol rules

its so much more consistent than i expected

[restive slate]

My headcanon is that the Psyker psychically charges a random shot

[brisk kelp]

No, there are certainly some elites you don't oneshot

[ruby plover]

but if ur bb triggers bb

then its effectively a 1 shot

[spice veldt]

pinning fire + blaze away; maybe it's not exactly a one-shot but it seems to come very close to it

[ruby plover]

i didnt even think about power buffs affecting bb jfc

bruh

[restive slate]

I heard mention that revolver was good on Psyker?

[ruby plover]

erm

no

[split oxide]

i gotta hear this: .. how so?

[orchid shadow]

I tend to BB a lot. Surge or BB until exploding, then using the Ult with Barrage for more.

[ruby plover]

[spice veldt]

revolver propagandists

[restive slate]

You're asking a doubter here too haha

[ruby plover]

can we just let revolver do damage to maniacs

thats it

thats all i want man

but no if anything psyker is the worst revolver class

by a lot

[restive slate]

True revolvers need more love

[spice veldt]

if you BB a lot and dont need a way of maintaining warp charges, I'd prob stick with warp battery

[ruby plover]

i dont understand why revolver has a massive damage penalty to the mob type that it is both thematically and mechanically most suited to kill

[orchid shadow]

But that also means I'm rarely at 0, unless at the start of an engagement or I've been meleeing for a while

[ruby plover]

its just

[restive slate]

I figure that next best gun would be a Vraks Mk3 hh

[ruby plover]

total nonsense

[split oxide]

👍 poxwalker horde liked this post.

[spice veldt]

I like flayer since I rarely ever BB during engagements

[ruby plover]

flayer for life

[restive slate]

Poxwalker horde doesn't walk in straight line ...oh no

[ruby plover]

i only manually bb crushers, bulwarks to pop them, and super super super far away specials

[split oxide]

Wildfire for me

[ruby plover]

i never bb anything else ever

basically

cuz like

its bad lol

[orchid shadow]

Unless there's a barrel in the way.. then WHEEEE, they feel compelled to leap over it

[restive slate]

And trip

[split oxide]

I think I gotta give up Kinetic Barrage and move back to AB.

[restive slate]

I sometimes miss my shots because these heretics be so clumsy

[spice veldt]

kinetic barrage can give me that edge for killing elites/specials before my teammates can get to them

[split oxide]

I switched to AB for Monstorum .. but never remembered to switch back.

[ruby plover]

quicken gang

im a shouty

gotta shout

[ember hornet]

quicken gang

[ruby plover]

🤝

[spice veldt]

all these god damn zealots and their quicken

[ember hornet]

[cyan notch]

[ember hornet]

new hells paradise episode pog

[spice veldt]

for me, I need warp charges to hit a sweet breakpoint on groaners so I prefer not to drop them or have to run communion/brainburst more

[ember hornet]

yeah but at the same time you get stacks so fast

[spice veldt]

the 10 seconds to get warp charges with brain burst will ruin my life

[ember hornet]

smh run communion

[spice veldt]

noooo

I'll never take aura off

[cyan notch]

aura is mid if u dont spam bb

[spice veldt]

I can kill elites in other ways

https://streamable.com/opdp0r

[ember hornet]

like with a revolver occasionally

[cyan notch]

slowly

[spice veldt]

got my ult back up quick enough to stagger that mauler before he whacked me

[cyan notch]

id just trauma that shit tbh

[ember hornet]

what the fuck is your team doing????

[spice veldt]

would spread them around too much

just typical na west things

[orchid shadow]

If they made poxwalker stayed down longer on an ult, I'd like quicken. 4 sec cooldown is fun, but you only have time to BB once and they're almost all back up.

[spice veldt]

i actually didn't expect that many elites to come out but I figured that I could whack most of them

[feral verge]

people still using dueling sword

in the deimos-illisi age

[spice veldt]

i hope they're not running surge with it

[feral verge]

whatyever is this

[spice veldt]

lemayo

I hope they're on top of killing elites/specials

[spice veldt]

2 more ranged elites than u

owned

[split oxide]

chase kills?
another 42k kills.. then the zelly can solo the mission for all I care.

[spice veldt]

kill chasing as well as just having high damage output in general

I don't care if they can't handle melee enemies because I run the best weapons for them, but I do care against ranged enemies, especially when they're not peeking to take the aggro off or killing ranged enemies fast enough so that the entire team can just rush through

I despise games with two or more pub non-autopistol psyker's because of how dog water they tend to be at fighting ranged and making the fights take long if it's not on a corridor map like magistrate or commsplex

[cyan notch]

just slowly bb everything

i slowly bb then ab ult

thats all u get

aint my problem

if they aint dead well back to slowly bbing for 30s

[spice veldt]

at least AB from other psykers does seem to clear shooters pretty well

[feral verge]

@spice veldt he wasnt bad at all

but imagine how much better he'd be if he used illisi or deimos

[spice veldt]

but then he would take kills from you 😔

[cyan notch]

maybe he just likes pirate sword

yarr

[frozen osprey]

Im sorry i didnt plan to get matched with other psykers 😭

[spice veldt]

my only problem is just toughness gen

I wouldn't mind other pub psykers if they peeked more and traded toughness/took some of the aggro

[hollow jolt]

"Sibling distract that sniper with your thicc mind while I prepare the brainburst"

[karmic delta]

oh no

[feral verge]

therte'rs only one way to play the game

and its my way

[frozen osprey]

How do i attract more aggro!!! Im kinda stupid

[spice veldt]

smh people not running trauma + illisi

[cyan notch]

run at em

[spice veldt]

enemies tend to target players who have attacked them

or at least those who are close

[frozen osprey]

I run trauma + deimos do i pass father

[spice veldt]

I like to frontline and be the first to engage, so all the aggro is usually on me

[hollow jolt]

4 psykers all running Purg, where we're going we won't need eyes 😎

[frozen osprey]

Well I attack pretty much everything i can so i think i got that down

[spice veldt]

9/10 just for using trauma

[frozen osprey]

:D

[spice veldt]

yeah and as long as you're in their los

is very nice when I look back at footage and see my teammates take 0 toughness damage during engagements

it's why I like focused channeling on trauma to sprint-slide more

without getting knocked out of my sprint

[cyan notch]

theyre just dodge gods

u didnt anything

didnt do*

[spice veldt]

true

[frozen osprey]

Im pretyy much always up close so it's easier to aim trauma lol. Plus just habits cuz i used to main purg. And before that surge.

[spice veldt]

that too

[frozen osprey]

I need to try out voidstrike tbh ive never used ut more than once

[spice veldt]

couldn't pay me 10 bucks to reliably aim past 10 meters

[frozen osprey]

I cant do it either unless the ground is flat or there's a wall behind the enemy

[cyan notch]

doesnt help that instead of your epicenter maxing out at max range it GOES TO THE SKY INSTEAD CUZ FUCK YOU

[spice veldt]

you never know when they'll add flying enemies

I actually kinda like it because you can aim at enemies in elevation

[frozen osprey]

Oh god please dont give them ideas

[lunar hollow]

this is how we're supposed to use it to proc transfer peril

[near wyvern]

To my experience it seems to be a mixture of logic where total damage/DPS and stagger both matter. At least that seems to be the way with monstrosities. If I bully a plogryn into the corner with my ogryn using punch overhead shovel combo it always sticks on me no matter what.

[frozen osprey]

Omg josho hiiiiii

[lunar hollow]

hello

[spice veldt]

interesting that stagger is factored in

[cyan notch]

staggers changed aggro in vt2

[near wyvern]

You can actually game with this. It seems that the trauma explosion is actually a sphere, so if you do max range explosions you can lift the sphere up from the ground and hit more people when there is a change in elevation near them.

[cyan notch]

pretty ez to pull aggro with ults

[hidden crystal]

Hides his psyker's MG XII...

[spice veldt]

guns except auto pistols don't exist

[cyan notch]

the tradeoff is absolutely not worth it

[frozen osprey]

Oh wow that maked sense I always thought it was a cylinder that'd go directly up

[cyan notch]

and rhe actual application is near zero

[spice veldt]

it being free floating does help in certain map sections

it's going to have finite range either way for balance purposes

[cyan notch]

its not like u can aim in the air anywhere either

its gotta be max range

they can just make it like idk CONFLAG STAFF WHERE THEY COPIED IT FROM

just point at whereever u want it to go

[hidden crystal]

As I said earlier, I had a game last night where I got grouped with a Purgatus Psyker, a Surge Psyker and a Rumbler Ogryn; I did have to do a lot of pew-pew that game.

[cyan notch]

wow thats crazy

[hidden crystal]

It would've been a rather poorly rounded team if I hadn't brought (effectively) a marksman rifle.

[frozen osprey]

I want more staves it'll be so cool if we do get some

[spice veldt]

I had two pretty sweet Purg psyker's who just spammed the LMB and held W whenever there were ranged enemies, which was nice despite my general dislike for staff-only psykers

[strong thicket]

I always try to deal as much dmg early as possible cause ppl in pugs really don't know how to dodge lmao

You can lock him into than fist strikedown animation and it's easy money wish more ppl would just pay a bit of attention

Or when a bon spawns just dodge left and right the opposite direction of your friends

[near wyvern]

Random redditor arguing Mind in Motion is miles better than Kinetic Deflection and Kinetic Shielding. Claimed they did all the math and experimentations on Kinetic Deflection and came to the conclusion that it's not good.

I responded with the Daemonhost face tanking meme using Kinetic Deflection and 9 stamina curios.

Got called a random youtuber meta slave

That escalated quickly

[strong thicket]

I guess he likes to spam his staffs lmao

You'd achieve the same result 2s later tho by simply switching to melee

[ionic frost]

@near wyvern I bet he doesn't even dodge/slide when quelling

noobs get angry quick

he probably needs mind in motion or his surge staffing the horde gets him killed =P

[near wyvern]

They said they don't do that cause they value mobility over everything else

[uneven drift]

Truly incomparable minds here.

Ask them to show their math.

[frozen osprey]

Is mind in motiom the one that removes slow speed while quelling?

[uneven drift]

Yes.

[spice veldt]

ye

[strong thicket]

Toddler maths probably. 1+1= apples

[frozen osprey]

I been using that one so long i havent even noticed it any more. I should change it lmao

[strong thicket]

It's alright I guess by itself but not when compared to the other two feats

[spice veldt]

kinetic shield gang

[frozen osprey]

What're the other two im not on my puter rn

[uneven drift]

Peril block and toughness dr.

[strong thicket]

One absorbs melee with you peril under critical

[spice veldt]

I like to be near 100 peril and run into ranged enemies

[frozen osprey]

Oh nice

I never really block tho so ill prolly use the other one

[strong thicket]

You can literally block a pogryn no problem with it

[frozen osprey]

Meh i just like dodging

[uneven drift]

Well, it opens up shit like push attack spam and so on since you don't need stamina for block. It's not only about blocking.

[static agate]

Add curius with block effiency and blocking effiency on your melee weapon and you can block a Daemonhost

[near wyvern]

But you shouldn't unless you can't dodge, plogryn is easy to dodge and damage at the same time, especially when you have infinite dodges

[spice veldt]

only thing you need to block is that damn uppercut

[near wyvern]

Yeah push spam on force swords is disgusting. You can just escort a player carrying a battery, it's really a cheese that people are sleeping on. Makes so many battery carry events trivial.

[spice veldt]

trauma gang

[strong thicket]

Yeah I'm just giving a comparison for very draining melee hit. Also it helps in corridors when it charges at you

I'd rather have it stop where it is than find it rushing to the next area past me aggroing some other stuff maybe

[frozen osprey]

Oh wait fr? I could totally use that

[ionic frost]

yep...i'll revive you in the middle of a horde then push around me 4 times to keep you safe while you get your melee weapon out =)

melee should be auto-equipped when picked up imho

stupid fatshark

[near wyvern]

Step 1. Pick Kinetic Deflection.
Step 2. Pick a force sword.
Step 3. Spam push as fast as you can. If you need more speed have 1 or 2 stamina regen on curios.

If you have a hit coming your way that you can't stagger you still have all the peril to block it. Also, while you are infinite staggering enemies you are not blocking so the peril goes down.

Disgusting and totally deserving a nerf.

[frozen osprey]

Oh god this is so fuckin useful im dumb

[frozen osprey]

Thank you mr py

[near wyvern]

This, always spam push for a couple of seconds after res so the vet can get their shit together and not be downed straight away again

[timber bolt]

is anyone using the ilisi with crit chance on special and burn on crit blessings?

[ionic frost]

I run one +3 stam curio these days...used to run two =D

[frozen osprey]

Nah im gonna abandon that baby by the curb

[static agate]

Do you run toughness regen on your curius?

[ionic frost]

I can tank/dodge a demonhost forever with just 1 stam curio and kinetic deflection

[near wyvern]

All of them yes

[ionic frost]

my psykers don't have toughness regen on their curios, I just use quietitude for that

[timber bolt]

isnt toughness regen on curios just toughness from coherency?

[ionic frost]

sniper/corruption resist is golden =)

[molten sparrow]

Hello Brothers and Sisters. Could someone please tell me what are the best blessings, to what marks of Blaze Force Swords, please?

[ionic frost]

yes

[timber bolt]

i cut it for stam regen on everything

[near wyvern]

Yes, it affects the speed and delay

[ionic frost]

On vet I use 2 health curios, 1 stam, 3x sniper resist, 3x stam regen =)

[near wyvern]

I run toughness regen + sniper resist on all my psyker curios regardless of the blessing

[ionic frost]

Ogryn is amazing with +90% toughness regen speed

[timber bolt]

i cut those for +toughness +stam regen

[near wyvern]

Helps you to avoid chip damage and sniper resist helps you to not get one shot by that no-scope flickshot master baiter

[timber bolt]

not using any of the resists

thats fair

[ionic frost]

I miss ogryns old hard as nails feat...one time I picked up three downed people with 2 snipers pegging at me...lost 25% of my hp

[cyan portal]

I don't understand why you would ever block a demonhost though? just dodge and attack it

[uneven drift]

Why people do things? Just cause.

[ionic frost]

game is wonky and your perfect dodges don't always dodge it?

and sometimes there's no room to dodge

like the one that spawns in the small medicae station room in that one assassination mission

[cyan portal]

i think if you mobility stat is low you dodges don't always work?

[ionic frost]

sometimes i dodge into a wall =P

[cyan portal]

i agree it is good that you can, just pointing out it is better to also help with dps while tanking it

[ionic frost]

ping mod usually shows 85 but sometimes game gets laggy and i look at the ping there and it keeps going up 1 point at a time...AWS must be choking

i ping 40 to chicago...where the fuck are these AWS servers hosted? california?

i'm in florida

[kind jay]

well there's your problem right there

[ionic frost]

everything is fine here

except darktides AWS servers

are they in california region?

certainly not anywhere east of the mississippi

yep ping checks out

US darktide is hosted on US West AWS

Pinging rds.us-west-1.amazonaws.com [176.32.118.192] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 176.32.118.192: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=228

[ornate epoch]

sooo... i am now trying to play this class.. kept it for the last one <_< i am not good with multi tasking much.. is there a way to play the psyker.. simple? :S

(and still efficient)

[late yew]

Is there any point in warp battery outside of level 30 feats?

[late yew]

no

Just play another class

[ornate epoch]

ok ._.

[spice veldt]

I have some mods to move my peril closer to my crosshair

[spice veldt]

inner tranq and if your weapon meets a breakpoints with 6 warp charges I guess

I've considered running it to one-shot Groaners at a lower peril% with my illisi

[strong thicket]

It's not much different from a vet or zealot.

Just keep an eye for the peril

That's it

[spice veldt]

I also moved my quell/reload key to 'V' to make it a bit easier and to not restrict my movement as much

[strong thicket]

(I mean it has different weapons and whatnot but the concept is the same, learn what weapon works for what enemy)

[spice veldt]

at the very worst, you could just run away to get some space to clear the actions that you need to do

it's what I do when I get overwhelmed

I'm sure my team will do fine without me probably

[warped kernel]

Slaughterer is really the best overall blessing in my opinion. Works on every sword. Deflector is fine if you want more defensiveness but I personally don't think you 100% need it. I play on Damnation and can complete Hi-Intensity and only really take it if I have melk's that require melee or if I just want to be a little lazier with positioning. Unstable power is good. I think executor and uncanny strike are good for Deimos as the heavy special attack will proc it to 4 or 5 stacks

anyone know if Shred is any good? seems like it could be

[molten sparrow]

Okay, so Slaughterer with Unstable/Executor/Uncanny Strike depending on preferences?

Unless you want to be defencive

[late yew]

no

[warped kernel]

I'm not an expert, but basically. I really think Slaughterer is all you need and then you can explore the other blessings and see what you like.

[late yew]

only usntalbe is good among those

[molten sparrow]

Okay thank you

[tidal scaffold]

Is a brain burst build viable? I just wanna brain burst all over the heretics yknow

[timber bolt]

whats rending?

[spice veldt]

so, an attack has a base damage. Then, to each armour type (Unarmoured, Infested, Flak, Unyielding, Carapace, Maniac), an attack deals some percentage% to that armour type
For example, force sword heavies deal 65% damage to carapace

rending% will push that damage to 100%

so if you had 40% rending, you would deal 65% + 14% = 79% damage to carapace instead, where the 14% comes from (100% - 65%) * 40%

[molten sparrow]

New cosmetics leak. Most of them are for psyker.#darktide-pics-vids message

I don't like this piss colored armor XD

[formal ridge]

I ran dueling sword becuase I didnt start playing psyker until I had 900+ hours of vet so yeah people do run off meta weapons sometimes becuase they are still learning the game jesus christ; but of course now that Ive played with force swords I find it impossible to pick up a dueling sword again

making fun of people is for kids

[formal ridge]

dueling sword is basically a handicap

[late yew]

What a nice number

[timber bolt]

whats the best way ti get the brain burst penance?

and the explode penance, the only 2 left im missing

[lilac tapir]

Explode penance requires 1 elite now, so very easy compared to before (3 elites)

[timber bolt]

ah ok

[lilac tapir]

Pick n' Mix now also requires 4 Elites/Specialist instead of 5, 4 is really easily done in random game (just keep playing you will eventually get it)

back when I was trying Pick n' Mix when it required 5 I had multiple attempts where I got 4, so

you should get both quickly now

[timber bolt]

yeah, im on 3 bleh

are bursters specialists?

and thanks : )

[lilac tapir]

yes. and I believe you can also do Pick N' Mix by killing the pack hounds with BB during the Hunting Grounds missions

[timber bolt]

oohhhh

i shall try that

[late yew]

I got it without even trying lol

[timber bolt]

should i take the faster bb perk

[late yew]

Just in the course of normal games

[lilac tapir]

I only got in once I stopped trying to get it lol (back when it was 5)... 🙂

[timber bolt]

thats fair

[lilac tapir]

yes that def helps

and Warp Battery so you can 1 shot more stuff if you play on damnation (on heresy doesn't matter I think)

oh and the sniper squad missions are also good I guess, since snipers are stationary targets (mostly) and easy to dodge, so that mission is also good but as SaltyDwarf pointed out just play the game and BB a lot and you should get it eventually (high intensity Heresy/Damn or Shock Troop Gauntlet Heresy/Damn all viable for this penance

[late yew]

battery does not matter, 10-25% bonus damage does

[lilac tapir]

he might as well get WB too if he's specifically targeting this penance though, although I agree that he's probably going to get it by just playing the game 🙂

[formal ridge]

I used to HATE Hounds mode, wouldnt play it... but since learning surge staff... its way easier to complete hounds than shock troop... juyst failed 3 pub shock troops

[ember hornet]

I mean shock troop can actually be difficult

hounds is just wait for hounds and kill them

and free ammo

[spice veldt]

hunting grounds is annoying

I dislike it very much

it's a mode made by cat propagandists

[ember hornet]

I will take hunting grounds if they replace it with mutie grounds

and make tiny muties

[spice veldt]

horrifying

[ember hornet]

wdym

sounds cute as fuck

[spice veldt]

horrifying

[ember hornet]

and they just punch instead of grab

[formal ridge]

its the same amount of dockets iirc

[viral solstice]

actually its 0 dockets they pay u in something different

shockets

[timber bolt]

thanks for the advice

just want these penances done with

trying out kinetic barrage

[robust jungle]

I saved up all of my plasteel from leveling and spent over 20k on illisi swords. Got jack shit for blessings. What is this game

[kindred lake]

is this worth my melk bucks

i can only afford one thing

it would be slow

[raw otter]

mmh if you really need a trauma force i guess its ok
id save the melk coins though
unarmoured perk can be good on trauma
and those blessings are the ones you would want for a trauma force

[near wyvern]

If you want it for the rending shockwave, then yes. That charge rate makes it garbage as an actual staff

[ember sentinel]

Yeah charge rate kills it

[kindred lake]

rip

[ember sentinel]

Rending shockwave 4 isnt bad

[kindred lake]

i'll take it for the blessing then thanks

shame as i want to go trauma next staff

[ember sentinel]

The perks also arent great anyway

[kindred lake]

i thought the trash one may have been good

groaners and that

[near wyvern]

You want +infested +unarmoured for regular trauma perks so you can always one shot trash

[kindred lake]

good to know i heard the trauma can be tricky to set up

needs good rolls

[near wyvern]

Because pox walkers have explosive resistance and dreg bruisers have 450 health

[frozen osprey]

What's the best blessings to complimemt those?

[near wyvern]

Flurry Shockwave is easier to setup, especially now with warp unleashed.

You can get away with having some warp charges but that +infested is pretty important.

[raw otter]

warp flurry can help with charge rate

[kindred lake]

offhand i don't know what flurry shockwave and warp unleashed are

this is what i just rolled

[near wyvern]

Ideally you want +infested +unarmoured for flurry shockwave trauma and then either +unarmoured +crit chance or +infested +crit chance for nexus spirit trauma

Flurry trauma wants good warp resist and damage and can get away with a minor hit to charge rate and blast radius, quell speed is the dump stat.

For Nexus Spirit trauma you absolutely want max or like very near max charge rate and blast radius, damage, warp resist and quell speed are all shared "dump stats" preferably you have even rolls on them so that none is very bad. But you absolutely need Warp Nexus 4.

[kindred lake]

i see

[frozen osprey]

That's so reasonable

[kindred lake]

that explains everything, thanks for that

fckin screnshotting this

[near wyvern]

Flurry Shockwave = Warp Flurry (cast speed with continuous casting) and Rending Shockwave (apply brittleness go increase your team members damage against the target)

Nexus Spirit = Warp Nexus (+x% crit at 20/40/60/80 peril) and Blazing Spirit (3 stacks of Soulblaze on crit to all enemies hit, caps at 6 stacks)

[kindred lake]

the blessing combinations, thanks

my brain got there in the end lol

looks like my choice has been made for me to go nexus spirit

[near wyvern]

GL on the roll, it's hard to get

[kindred lake]

but i will make another i think to go for flurry and shockwave as that is more what i imagined by going trauma

[near wyvern]

I recommend 311112 or 311212 for the feats for nexus spirit trauma

Oh and, learn to quell cancel, it's around 15-20% DPS increase with nexus spirit trauma. You cast, then you hit quell, hold for just tiny bit, let go of quell and cast again. When done right you can skip some of the after cast animation and cast faster.

[kindred lake]

very nice

i do be liking me some free dps

i've been enjoying purgatus but want to give my and my teammates eyes a break

i just set up a loadout with those feats

[timber bolt]

god im ever getting these penanves

[kindred lake]

yeah i see the cancel function. that is a nice difference

[maiden wolf]

Try running Trauma with Quicken and Warp Siphon for the explosion cancel one. Then Surge and a non-force melee for the don't get hit in melee one.

[near gale]

An illisi with 51% warp resistance does it super easily. I just started doing that to purposefully trigger the perils of the warp to cance lti

Since you can keep charging it, even while it's charged. Unlike the other 2 force swords.

I went from 3/50 to 34/50 from just 1 heresy run lol

Granted, I also had Psykinetic's Aura on my gunspyker build so I wasn't too worried about accidentally blowing up.

If you had Quicken on top of that, you could probably rock out all 50 times, in 1 run

Oh, oh my. I finally upgraded a Deimos to orange and I am quite happy with what I got.

Despite how people say Unstable Power is what you want with Slaughterer, I am probably going to slap on Slaughterer over it so I can use Deflector just for the utility it gives.

[orchid shadow]

I have Slaughter and Deflector on my Surge setup for emergency repositioning

[near gale]

I have those 2 on my Illisi, as well

It comes in clutch, sometimes

[orchid shadow]

A side note on that, I was just tanking a DH and it disappeared after a 2nd person died. It killed the first target, but the 2nd teammate I think went down to melee mobs while I was tanking? Then the DH just went poof.

[near gale]

That was lucky

[orchid shadow]

Does the DH just go away after a 2nd person dies? Or did the 2nd teammate somehow get nailed by the DH while I was tanking?

[near gale]

Daemonhosts can be jank, sometimes

[spice veldt]

they go away if a second person full-dies even if they're not the target

so feel free to blow up a barrel that sends two teammates into the void

[flat moat]

uh

[ionic frost]

Hello new servo-skull.

Can a psyker servo-skull still call the warp?

[round jay]

well, you only get the skull part of the psyker, not the servo so

i'd ay nope

[frozen osprey]

They can't call the warp but the narcissism js FULLY intact. Never trust a sassy servo skull.

[shadow onyx]

beta test

[olive ember]

They gotta full die tho

I've had 10/10 games where two peopl go down to poxwalker and then the dh just wipes the team and we die

[spice veldt]

yeah I tried to revive a teammate who got sniped

and I saw a laser on me

and then I thought it would be a great idea to stick the revive

anyways, the other person died to the dh before we bled out

[orchid shadow]

How does the aggro on the assasination bosses work? Do they pick the ones who's done the most damage and the closest over a window of time? Is there a way to consistently pull them off a teammate?

[frozen osprey]

it is only today that i learned the blue glowing eyes are actually in the game

im so stupid

[ornate hamlet]

haha stupid 👈

[frozen osprey]

):

[north cradle]

You can also get Sienna's black sclera and orange irises

[frozen osprey]

you can??

[north cradle]

I don't remember if pre-order bonus or Imperial Edition

[frozen osprey]

oh

sadge

it doesnt seem to be mentioned on the imp edition so probably pre order

[spice veldt]

iirc it's what you get for owning vermintide 2 or 1; no idea if it's specifically one of them or both or either

[frozen osprey]

Oh damb

That sounds really cool but i have like. No interest in either game

[spice veldt]

yeah I bought vt2 once upon a time when it was a sale although I never found myself interested in it

[frozen osprey]

Does it come with any other goodies or is it just the eyes?

[spice veldt]

it comes with some eye colors, hair styles, and tattoos

it's apparently the 'Devoted Rejects' pack; here's a list of the goodies https://support.fatshark.se/hc/en-us/articles/8064031762845-How-to-Locate-the-Cosmetics-Soundtrack-From-the-Imperial-Edition-Pre-Order-Beta-Rewards-Pre-Order-Bonus-Devoted-Rejects-Pack-Vermintide-#h_01GKCT788XVN1XCSD2HQ7JN7FR

[frozen osprey]

Oooo nice ty

[blissful dirge]

After finally getting the final tier new psyker helm. I can say it goes pretty well with the Maellus Monstronum chest piece

[frozen osprey]

I need to get that but i finished all the new penances already and im still on 84/100 missions lol

I need to also stop being unlucky with the old pemances i have no headwear cuz im stuck at 6/7 enemies knocked kff a ledge

[blissful dirge]

yeah the fact that they're not retroactive is dumb

[frozen osprey]

I also havent done the heresy ones yet. Everything else is done tho

[blissful dirge]

wait its 7 now?

it used to be fucking TWENTY

[frozen osprey]

Yea i know im just bad at the game lmao

Sorry 😔

[flat moat]

whats some good perks for the dockets ?

[blissful dirge]

eh?

dockets are currency.

[flat moat]

curios sorry

[ember hornet]

dockets are a good perk unironically lol

[spice veldt]

toughness regen speed is always nice

[blissful dirge]

a resistance to an enemy you have problems with is good too

Gunners are fucking everywhere and constantly annoying. resistance vs them is nice

[spice veldt]

though the only one that really matters is just snipers

gunners are easily sniped and they don't really advance against your team

[blissful dirge]

snipers another common one

cause they deal so much damage so percentage resistance shaves LOTS of damage off their hits

[ember hornet]

depends a bit on your playstyle

[blissful dirge]

^

[ember hornet]

if you rush things down, gunner is pretty good

sniper is a safe bet too

[spice veldt]

the fact that they push your ass means that I won't be rushing their asses unless I can guarantee their kill, have my ult up, or have it up because of psyk aura

[flat moat]

when do I get tier 4 perks unlocked ? I'm level 26 and I cant seem to roll them

[spice veldt]

even with dodge-sliding, I've had my slides denied because they killed my momentum from dodging

[ember hornet]

I kind of take anything in terms of gunner/sniper/toughness/hp/ordos/stam regen

[blissful dirge]

they come in at a certain base rating. Im not sure if the specific number is known

but most agree you want something with a base rating above 360

[ember hornet]

and I guess you can throw toughness regen on that list too

I don't usually take it but I might on psyker if I rolled it

[grim granite]

Is a gun build really even viable before 30? I'm not seeing it, but post-30, yeah.

[blissful dirge]

I mean why are you trying to optimize before 30? just hit 30 then tweak stuff

go level. then come back and craft your build.

[spice veldt]

guns are good in general

and shredder autopistol is very stronk

[ember hornet]

no, avoid this headhunter mark

agri HH is pretty fucked in terms of shot timings

considered to be kind of a broken weapon in a bad way

[cyan notch]

yea thats pretty mid

[grim granite]

Hitting 30 with staff is absolutely more feasible, but then you've maxed level and Darktide has little to no remaining content and you're bored. 🤷‍♂️ Lol

[blissful dirge]

bro gameplay doesn't stop at level 30. it effectively starts.

[ember hornet]

yeah, that's when the whole gearing process starts and you start getting up to hi5 and hi5 shock

the real end game difficulty

[hollow totem]

I agree, but stop shaking

[blissful dirge]

buh?

[hollow totem]

your avatar....

[blissful dirge]

that isn't shaking. thats ROTATION.

[grim granite]

I'm hoping that's the case. I'm playing on 3/5 right now, but is 5/5 difficulty at least giving out some better rewards?

[ember hornet]

yeah way more resources

and better gifts

[spice veldt]

about 800 plasteel and 300 diamantine

i forget the exact numbers

[ember hornet]

more ordos too

[grim granite]

That's some decent stuff to at least sink away while waiting for more future content so that's not bad

[spice veldt]

so 805 plasteel and 300 diamantine

so roughly 3 times more materials than on malice

[hollow totem]

low intensity it worth most in my opinion.

[spice veldt]

basically anything that's not normal damnation is better

[hollow totem]

all my tiems arw from armory+consecrate....

[spice veldt]

as long as you have a half decent team and you can push through ranged sections, hi modifiers have a decent rate per time

[cyan notch]

[spice veldt]

lods of emone

[blissful dirge]

DOSH!

[obtuse moth]

just ran into the psyker equivalent of a shieldgryn

[timber bolt]

Ugh

[obtuse moth]

someone running all stamina curios (or at least no hp, toughness or wound) that insisted on aggroing every DH during hi intensity dark and that folded every time they fought a horde

[timber bolt]

I’ve been paired with some badddd players today my go

[obtuse moth]

they said its better this way

[timber bolt]

God

[obtuse moth]

and they were with someone else who agreed

[spice veldt]

god damn

[obtuse moth]

but for some reason they were against grimoires

[timber bolt]

Just had a game with someone who refused to push the burster and instead shot them point plank taking out 2 of us at once

[spice veldt]

simply too far

such immorality that you dare to suggest

[timber bolt]

And it happened twice

[spice veldt]

I've learned to never be near any teammates and to run away from their asses the moment a burster spawns

[obtuse moth]

oof

[spice veldt]

I refuse to let my twinky 150 hp ass get fucked by a burster

[timber bolt]

On any above damnation missions I feel like people should know what there doing

[obtuse moth]

yeah if people are in front of me i just run around a corner, to the other side of the room, etc

[timber bolt]

He kept shooting the bursters that I was going for too

[spice veldt]

at least on NA west, I get a surprising amount of less-than-desirable teammates

[timber bolt]

Had a bunch of games like that today, with people who sucked. Todays really the first time I noticed this. I’m in NA East but not sure if there different servers or what

[spice veldt]

non-ogryn players taking >2k damage

[obtuse moth]

i definitely get na west servers mostly based on my ping

the mission i was in they all took 5k+, one of the 3 psykers took ~7.5k

[spice veldt]

the fuck

[timber bolt]

Lmaoooo

That’s horrible

Sometimes I feel like I take a ton of damage if I have to step in a bit and toe to toe with shooters

[spice veldt]

i love me focused channeling and sprint-slides for that

with trauma, I also like to just run perpendicular to a line of fire and then just flick my aim 90 degrees to blast, then repeat this process

[timber bolt]

I have toughness regen on quell so it’s fine. But could explain high damage numbers, although I don’t have the mods so I have no idea what my stats are

[obtuse moth]

sure, but im an ogryn and i took 2-4x less damage than they did

against shooters in the dark

[spice veldt]

at least with ogryns, they have a higher health pool so they won't get insta-killed from eating a bunch of hp hits

[obtuse moth]

and frontlining everything

entire packs of ragers crushers and bulwarks

theyre 20m behind me...

[timber bolt]

True

I only use purge staff lol

It’s so good

[spice veldt]

and ogryns having that 1 extra wound by default

so when ogryn players get downed, it's whatev

[timber bolt]

Yeah, people have been bleh today

Had 2 really good games on shock gauntlet tho with ace teammates

[lunar hollow]

i had literally the worst game of my life on smelter shock gauntlet today

there was a very small child who breathed into his mic the whole game and killed a total of 25 enemies

it was rather entertaining to witness though

[spice veldt]

interesting

one of the worst recent games was a team of 3 other vets who kept dying to melee
the first time they wiped was due to a melee elite patrol coming out of nowhere in that multi-level section of smelter complex, which was understandable, and it was mostly fine up until the finale

then they kept on dying during the finale for whatever reason and two of them decided to stay after the gate opened for 2-3 minutes

[lunar hollow]

that game had a total of 9 deaths

when i joined, everyone but me was dead lol

[obtuse moth]

190% toughness regeneration speed + confident strike easily outgens quietitude

and afaik damage taken only counts health

[ionic frost]

have you ever had any other server?

i'm in florida and it connects me to west =*(

always 85 ping

...

[spice veldt]

Just to get some numbers...
In an ideal scenario (quelling from 100%), you'll regenerate 24.6% toughness per second (12.31% * 0.5 * 1/0.25)
with 190% toughness regeneration speed with 7.5 toughness/s, you'll regen 21.75 flat toughness per second.
Since toughness regen is pretty much active continuously unless you're taking damage, it will outhandily beat quietude

I've gotten a 100 ping server before

not sure if that was a shitty server or because of physical distance though

[ionic frost]

for me 100 ping would be AWS Oregon

[spice veldt]

I think I did have games where it was consistently around 100

[ionic frost]

Too bad we can't choose our region =(

[spice veldt]

yup

[ionic frost]

I'd play on Ohio or N Carolina AWS

[spice veldt]

I would dislike to ever play on 50+ ping

[ionic frost]

I used to be almost perfect at pushing dogs...now i have to wait until they are inside me/almost inside me =P

[cyan notch]

vpn that shit

[ornate hamlet]

Almost tempted to tbh

It gets tiresome to play with people from the LFG chat that also includes South America and hearing people moan endlessly about lag

Not that it helps playing with 3 people from North America and having the brilliant game go "oh wow, there's 3 North Americans and 1 South American, surely this means we put everyone in South America servers

[dire hare]

witch blessing should I reroll?

[ashen pilot]

Replace precognition with slaughter

[dire hare]

sick thank you

[ashen pilot]

[fresh steeple]

welp, I think I gotta "downgrade" from my 380

if only I had gotten +8 rending as well

first trauma I've legit ever found with QS as dump stat

[kind jay]

[fresh steeple]

interestingly this still has the same breakpoint of "14 casts total from 0 to 100" as long as I detonate the first cast slightly early

though with the 377 I can get 15 casts total if I also detonate it early (or more, of course, assuming 10% autoquell from a kill)

yeah, still gonna use the 377. Maniac roll lets me get 3HKO breakpoints on flamers instead of the 4HKO of the 380 staff

[formal ridge]

finally... only took 2 full days of grinding... (/s) plus already had pinning 4

[kind jay]

@olive ember

[olive ember]

amazing crit lmao

[kind jay]

the ultimate weapon

[near wyvern]

It would be interesting to see the average damage of that versus a weapon with a lot higher crit bonus. The maximum bonus is not that high so it might actually pull quite even.

Charge rate, warp resist and quell speed is pretty important

For surge

[kind jay]

its basically mine except with no crit

what i really want to find is a purg with as low burn as possible

[dusk idol]

anyone that can help me with the voidstrike blessings and perks?

[near wyvern]

+unarmoured +flak and Transfer Peril + Warp Flurry

[dusk idol]

@near wyvern thanks, anything important with the modifiers or just as high as possible on them all?

[kind jay]

can dump quell speed

[viral solstice]

ya with transfer peril u aint got peril to quell baby

and when u blow up the horde u can look at ur team and say "ur quellcome"

[dusk idol]

@viral solstice lol

[near wyvern]

Like Griever said, quell speed is not important, also blast radius is not important. So you want high everything else except blast radius and quell speed and preferably lower quell speed than blast radius.

The blast radius only affects the explosion effect when the ball stops and it deals abysmal damage and has a cleave limit. The only real purpose for it is to apply supression, which is a nice added bonus but you want to focus on killing stuff which will keep your flurry going.

[late yew]

sus

[ornate hamlet]

how

[cyan notch]

is the game good yet

[near wyvern]

Spotted the malice player

[vestal raven]

lmfao

[unreal dust]

What's the dump stat on Surge Staff?

Is it Warp Resist or Quell speed?

I'd imagine Resist

[vestal raven]

either or

[unreal dust]

... ... RNGesus has blessed me this day.

[vestal raven]

but the perks

how dare you

[unreal dust]

I can swap one out, but.... myah

Just the blessings and base stats being flawless like that

(yes, there's 1% missing from Damage, but myeh)

Swap out 10% to vs Carapace or something, I guess? Not sure...

[vestal raven]

keep infested for the dogs and poxbursters

id use that actually given your circumstances

and prolly carapace as the second

[wet belfry]

Low level psyker isnt actually that bad in damnation (level 5)

[obtuse moth]

psyker always had brain burst which is nice, but if youre geting them that means your team is pretty slow at killing or has no range

[late yew]

2 zealots

so yeah

[cyan notch]

its pretty bad

ur just bb bot

[late yew]

he still somehow outdamaged zealot in melee

i think

damn this is a clusterfuck of numbers

[obtuse moth]

ye im curious at the loadouts considering the melee and ranged numbers

[sharp kraken]

I hate that scoreboard

What do you guys think of the dueling sabres? Even though I the one with the cleave and rampage + warp battery

It still barely did any horde clear

[wet belfry]

Obscurus, laspistol is the loadout

[obtuse moth]

rampage is hard to proc afaik

[wet belfry]

Deimos would be better but eh only get access to taht at level 6

[obtuse moth]

just run deimos if you like dodgydodgy..yea

if you're releveling the devil's claw is decent until you can get an illisi or deimos

[wet belfry]

You get obscurus anyways at level 2

and obscurus is defintely stronger then devil claw

Devil claw has some really poor base stats.

[vestal raven]

i got a mk5 with shred and uncanny and it kinda fucks tbh

spam the heavies on anything like gunners and above and it kills them pretty fast

[near wyvern]

Deimos is just the better duelling sword at the moment

[vestal raven]

wildly true

but the mobility is pretty fun, then again force swords are just better

cant really beat infinite dodges

[near wyvern]

Why not, upgrade and see if you can get a good one out of it

Dockets come easy anyways

[feral verge]

yea it's only 18k

one damnation game is 19k

[near wyvern]

Pinning Fire 4 and Blaze Away 4