psyker-class

[formal ridge]

@spice veldt whats are the best illisi blessings...

[spice veldt]

I like slaughterer + unstable personally because I'm greedy for damage

[formal ridge]

blessings

[rapid bear]

If I had a quarter for every run where I thought that about horde clear, brought something else, and then no vet or ogryn along brought horde clearing weapons at all and we wiped...

[spice veldt]

and I prefer to just murder mutants without needing to headshot them

[formal ridge]

wtf im an idiot

perks

[spice veldt]

lemayo

I like +maniac for mutants/dreg ragers and +flak for scab ragers/maulers

since I often whack their asses

[formal ridge]

is unarmoured or infested useful for any breakpointish things

[hidden crystal]

Not particularly.

[rapid bear]

Maniac is on the illisi and deimos...

[raw otter]

what about modifiers?

[spice veldt]

without unstable power, +unarmoured allows you to one-shot groaners with the minimum cleave damage

AKA, you become able to one-shot 25-ish full HP groaners

[formal ridge]

im probably going to put deflector on it

[spice veldt]

with unstable power, +infested allows you to one-shot poxwalkers with the minimum cleave damage to the weakspot, allowing you to one-shot 19-ish full HP poxwalkers

so if you had to pick between the two with deflector, it would be +unarmoured

[raw otter]

what do you have currently on the illisi now?

i found this one but not very good perks imo rip

[formal ridge]

im making a new one so nothing yet lol

[spice veldt]

I personally don't find myself hitting carapace with the illisi

[rapid bear]

Holy shit slaughterer 4... your perks don't matter. 🤣

[raw otter]

yea same

[spice veldt]

I don't wanna get caught by an overhead because my pinky finger had a spasm

[raw otter]

may actually replace carapace with mutants maybe

and keep unyielding

[raw otter]

😅

[spice veldt]

with unyielding, you could maybe consistently three-shot reapers

[raw otter]

it is the first time i found slaugh 4

the rng 😓

[spice veldt]

and deal some more decent damage to the plogryn

[hidden crystal]

If you're hitting carapace with an Illisi, you're either desperate or you missed.

[raw otter]

id kept if was a deimos for sure

[spice veldt]

I only smack carapace if I think that my team will kill it before a brain burst will finish

[red wind]

that's true but it's still underwhelming compared to the pop

[spice veldt]

but the target dies, so the goal is achieved nevertheless

[red wind]

i hit carpace because the emperor's soldiers are not to be stopped by some steel

[spice veldt]

the clunkiness is part of the weapon's design imo

[red wind]

yea

[spice veldt]

it's already quite good if only for the exclusive purpose of killing bulwarks

I do not wish to be a lasgun vet in a team comp without any anti-bulwark weapons

[red wind]

are lasguns any good anymore actually

like the semi ones

i know the charging lasguns are great

but ive only ever seen my friends run bolters

[rapid bear]

The XII is crazy good still, yes.

[spice veldt]

they're prob still good; just that bolter is more of a generalist weapon

[hidden crystal]

Then let them kill it and focus on something else.

[spice veldt]

no

I'm greedy for crusher kills

[red wind]

what's the difference between the kantrael lasguns anyway

[spice veldt]

if I have a bolter teammate, then of course I'm going to let them kill it since I won't be able to get a hit

[red wind]

i just found out they have a difference yesterday i just thought it was one until then

[spice veldt]

but if my teammate's only anti-armor is melee, then I'm going to join in

[olive ember]

not bad tbh, it would be great if they ever nerf the force swords

[formal ridge]

pick one to upgrade

[rapid bear]

XII hits the hardest, which is basically what matters to make it efficient with the higher ammo use per-shot.

[hidden crystal]

IV is faster firing and low damage (but gets loads of shots in a mag), XII is slow-firing and high damage, and we don't talk about the 1a.

[red wind]

force swords apart from the deimos are already not that great imo i wouldn't think they'd nerf em

if anything buff the mk2 it sucks so much

[formal ridge]

im not using any of the blessings already on there

except maybe exorcist 4

[spice veldt]

what about da illisi :(

[red wind]

oh i love it

it cuts really funny

im just saying its not really nerf material

[spice veldt]

oh it absolutely is

[raw otter]

then you hit the crusher and pop up kinetic flayer

[slate creek]

so, Hadron rolled me this. any recommendations on what to do with it other than toss it? I see everyone's using slaughterer but I only have like tier 2, and I was thinking about finally giving Deflector a try (unless it's still bugged). is Slaughterer a must have?

[spice veldt]

10.5 cleave on special activation and a similar damage profile to the power sword

[hidden crystal]

More seriously, while the 1a does fire faster than the XII, it also does notably less damage but also gets a smaller ammo reserve for some reason.

[red wind]

maybe i havent abused the mk5 enough then

[spice veldt]

but with infinite dodges and virtual invincibility to spam that special

[red wind]

i still need to get like, slaughter on it lmao

been quite unlucky w blessings

[spice veldt]

illisi makes it so easy to just run into ranged enemies and murder them

[hidden crystal]

As is, the XII is one of my fairly standard gunpsyker go-tos.

[raw otter]

slaughterer, and maniac 25%

[red wind]

i havent played the game and when i came back i didnt know there were new force swords so the mk5 was quite the nice surprise

[spice veldt]

replace precognition and weakspot damage

[red wind]

considering my main issue with the mk2 is lack of crowd control

[spice veldt]

MK2 is fine

[red wind]

i despise it personally

[spice veldt]

as long as you stick to the light->heavy combo

[slate creek]

quick and to the point, thank you sibling

[red wind]

the attacks are just weird

if i want single target pokes i have the deimos

if i want cc i have the mk5

[slate creek]

thanks, will do

[red wind]

i guess its a "jack of all trades" type weapon but still

[spice veldt]

it's a good weapon overshadowed by its two siblings

[formal ridge]

I want a sword that I can run up to a shooter and 1 shot them 100% of the time, whether I miss the head or not

[hidden crystal]

(I know a lot of people prefer the Autopistol for maximum dakka, but I quite like playing marksman gunpsyker).

[formal ridge]

or if thats not possible then 100% if I hit the head

I want to 1 shot all bruisers and shooters

[red wind]

honestly it's not bad there are just better versions

[raw otter]

if you have the mod you can reroll weakspot damage to maniac at 25% very quick

[spice veldt]

yup

it was fine pre-patch enough for me to main it for 400-ish hours

though they nerfed bloodthirsty, making a bit worse than pre-patch

[red wind]

i hear people talking about a slaughterer nerf but imo they should just buff some other blessings

a lot of stuff just sucks objectively outside of super niche use cases

[spice veldt]

nerf slaughterer and buff the other blessings

[hidden crystal]

I had a good Obscurus that I kept using for a fair while after the patch because the armoury kept showing me bad Deimos or Illisis - or Hadron ruined them.

I might try it again at some point, although I've got somewhat used to the Illisi at this point.

[slate creek]

just a quick follow up, is Slaughterer tier 2 enough?

[spice veldt]

yup

[raw otter]

yea

[red wind]

i love randomied crafting!!! i love having to wait 50 minutes for a mere chance at not only the weapon i want, but a good version of the weapon i want!!!! i love pure rng upgrading systems which also lock me out of changing half the weapon afterwards!!!!

[spice veldt]

that's still +50% power at max stacks

[slate creek]

thank you siblings

[raw otter]

you can put that anyway and when you find lv 4 you can place lv 4

[spice veldt]

+power% being a direct increase to damage, cleave, and stagger

[formal ridge]

deimos 1 shots them with heavy stab (h2) simply light push>h2

[slate creek]

may Omnissiah bless your rolls

[raw otter]

[red wind]

the deimos heavy is the strongest in the whole game currently methinks

[raw otter]

cool animation the h2

very precise

[red wind]

light -> heavy spam on deimos is absurdly powerful

[spice veldt]

high base damage combined with the force swords' inherently high weakspot damage

[raw otter]

can oneshot mutants basically on the head

[slate creek]

I keep taking Deimos on assassination missions, it's insane how much it melts the bosses with the right stats on active -> heavy

[red wind]

absolutely

[raw otter]

it deletes crushers very easily also

[spice veldt]

the deimos and obscurus' special dealing 200% to flak

[red wind]

i just run the mk5 because it feels really nice to chop a whole crowd with the special

[raw otter]

and also very nice with horde management the light attacks

basically it is a very nice weapon deimos
hopefully it wont get nerfed

[red wind]

also personally not a fan of any special attacks that lock you onto an enemy

speaking of, did they remove the thing where chain weapons would randomly lock on when not using the special attacks?

i remember tha tbeing a big reason as to why i never ran chain axe and whatnot

[raw otter]

thats how it works the chain axe yea
it will always rev
not sure if they changed

[slate creek]

I think chain axe still does it a bit, but I've never had any issues with other chain weps

[red wind]

hm

[raw otter]

sometimes also the eviscerator does this when you do heavies

[red wind]

maybe it always was just the chain axe and i'm just gaslighting myself again

[raw otter]

but imo it is fine

nono also the eviscerator does by some degrees

with heavies to ragers/crushers
it is not as the same when you do special attack but still present

[red wind]

regardless i feel like there's no reason to not run the force sword on psyker

with the two new frames

[raw otter]

[red wind]

duelling sword was pretty good before

i liked the mk2

[raw otter]

i only run forcce swords

did they nerf the duelling swords?

[red wind]

kinda?

not really nerf more like fix a bug

you could extend your slide distance quite significantly by using a light attack before sliding

the lunge from said attack boosted you quite a bit and was useful in certain situations

that, and non-force weapons seemingly have a faster auto quell speed? maybe not anymore

and in addition the mk2 force sword wasn't my favourite

[raw otter]

ah true i remember

i thought it was just a feature

but i guess was a bug
imo it should be remained

[raw otter]

quelling now it is very faster compared before though

[red wind]

it definitely should've remained i liked actual unique-ness to weapons

[spice veldt]

yeah without any edge in mobility, the duelling swords have pretty much nothing else besides block cost

[raw otter]

rip

[spice veldt]

I used to like to do the attack-slide tech on the obscurus as well

[red wind]

i dont even care about quelling anymore, kills quell me sometimes and also i get more damage at 80% or whatever so you ideally want to be at high peril regardless

[spice veldt]

at least we got fast sliding with heavy objects now

[red wind]

true

[spice veldt]

I like fast quelling for quietude

[raw otter]

now they will also nerf that 🥲

[spice veldt]

:(

[raw otter]

[spice veldt]

I can't comically speed past my teammate when carrying a big ol' crate

at least it seems to be a low priority bug to fix, given that they haven't fixed it yet

maybe in the next patch

[red wind]

there are a lot of bugs still

[raw otter]

ah i was just joking haha
but who knows
they may do it for real perhaps

[red wind]

i really hope the "big patch" is just adding back the basic QoL things that were in VT2 and fixing a bunch of bugs so that they can work on actual content

maybe a map or something

[spice veldt]

it does seem a bit jank; maybe they'll just buff the sprinting speed overall a bit

[red wind]

modifiers?

[raw otter]

assume they want to "fix it" to promote teamplay
idk

something i liked was the fix where ogryns can throw heavy objects way more distant than other classes

[red wind]

the problem i currently have is actually rolling slaughterer on anything i own

this is the best one ive got so far

could be better

[raw otter]

i just only found slaugh at lv4 recently
so i feel that

[red wind]

it is certainly a grind

something something player retention something something feeling of reward and accomplishment

[kind jay]

ive said before that, imo, perfect crafting would literally make me want to play 10x more

[raw otter]

yea

people play these type of games not because of the grind but because the game are somewhat fun
in fact left 4 dead 2 for example
Does not have any grind, but yet many people still play it, because it is fun
or for example vermintide II, previous title of fatshark
people modded weapons and all bypassing the grind but still playing for tons of hours
like 5k hours etc

id play 10x more as well and maybe buy even premium skins lol
but since it is more a casino rather than a game
no thx

[red wind]

blessings are per-weapon anyway locking them off makes no sense

you still have to grind your ass off to get tier 4s

[raw otter]

in vt2 was possible to roll out the "blessings" they were called traits
and there were red items where there would been always maxed out "perks"

in vt1 was even better

[red wind]

im just hoping they turn this game around like vt2

[raw otter]

btw yea this pointless grind it is just about to inflate hours pretty much
but id play more because id like the game not because of the grind
artificial grind bery bad

[red wind]

le modern game

[raw otter]

🥲

[red wind]

games are literally just not fun anymore because theyre used as money milking tools as opposed to outlets of entertainment and people STILL eat it up

[raw otter]

exploitative practices as the usual
and here also bad design really

[red wind]

like i dont undersand how these companies cant comprehend that good product == more customer

[raw otter]

true that

when you respect your customers, you get loved
and since there will be harmony
it will be better for both sides

[ornate hamlet]

I bought this full-price on pure hopium

[raw otter]

understandable

[tender terrace]

the crafting system is great now what is there to complain about

[clever root]

[long wharf]

You made your sarcasm too subtle

[tender terrace]

the only thing that sucks now is the fact that you can only change one blessing or perk really

which kinda makes sense cause you'd get one 380 and make it god tier

[red wind]

likewise

the beta was really promising

but then the beta was just the full release with a slightly different hud

[tender terrace]

lol what exactly were you expecting to be different?

[red wind]

uhh idk

more maps

or something

i dont actually know what i want i just like to complain

[tender terrace]

well its good to be self aware

[safe crystal]

Idk, back then, if i hadn't played a Obese Megalodon game before, i would've expected them to deliver on their promises, like full crafting on launch or during December, without rolling back progress from beta, like the last performance patch for beta.

[red wind]

true that is quite a big issue

[tender terrace]

frankly i would have preferred they made new levels instead of indulging all of the "muh loot" whiners

id also rather actually play a game than not

[safe crystal]

Sure, but it only became a huge issue BECAUSE they made those promises

[tender terrace]

but i guess im just "the problem"

[tender terrace]

not to me i guess, i had no expectation of such

[safe crystal]

Me neither tbf, not my first ride

I havent really played too much recently, only a few games here and there after a patch or when my friends want to try playing again

Waiting for the content patch at the end of month\™

[tender terrace]

i mean i gave up in march after like 600 hours so

same i guess

[steel egret]

I gave up on lauch day

[tropic vigil]

steam shit itself currently?

or am i just having issues

[cobalt veldt]

steam is doing its maintenance

[tropic vigil]

oh

that makes more sense

[cobalt veldt]

can check easily with steamstat

[tropic vigil]

thats useful

i checked down detector but i know that cant always be accurate

[raw otter]

they even promised the subclasses "every quarter" but yet nothing

[safe crystal]

Right, i forgot about that

[raw otter]

promised the ability to play maps solo, therefore self locally hosted games

[safe crystal]

At the end of month\™ probably

[raw otter]

look at the weapons that they showed in the trailers
that never released

for example the 2h greatsword for psyker

tons of content that should have been on release

the people complaining about people complaining

[cold geode]

NEXT WEEK

[maiden wolf]

Okay, what do I replace with BM?

I was gonna do headtaker

[ocean cipher]

replace decim

holy fuck that axe is perfect

[fathom adder]

Try telling Redditors that. I'm arguing with the same 1-2 people who think the forever grind is the only thing keeping people playing Darktide and I cannot think of any more ways to demonstrate how wrong they are.

[raw otter]

ded

[maiden wolf]

IKR

I was gonna replace headtaker, I'm annoyed I got such a difficult choice

[ocean cipher]

see, reason i say headtaker

keep headtaker i mean

is cuz it survives doing one push attack

decimator doesnt

[raw otter]

it is pretty much pointless to argue with these type of people, defending such things anyway
obviously they are wrong ahah
people that like 4 players coop games, they would play these games forever
very nice gameplay loop because fun gameplay

in fact, main key of a game should be the gameplay not the grind
in deep rock galactic for example, i pretty much got all the stuff i could "farm" and after that im still playing that, same for vt2

[ruby plover]

one time i was saying unmitigated rng really doesnt belong in loot anymore and i mentioned DRG

and someone used it as a gotcha because DRG has rng too!

that funny word i put before rng must not mean anything

[near gale]

I finally upgraded my surge staff to orange. I'm pretty happy with the 2nd blessing I have since it allows me to upgrade it to t4 whenever I get it.

[shadow wigeon]

RNG on overlocks when I last played was a real bummer for some people. At least you could get them all eventually but time gating them was really unpleasant for some people

[ruby plover]

but you see why this is not comparable to actual unmitigated rng

you could theoretically play darktide for tens of thousands of hours and never receive what you want

that should never be a possibility

[shadow wigeon]

Except realistically it doesn't happen that way

[ruby plover]

[shadow wigeon]

I saw people in DRG who missed OCs for months and months

[ruby plover]

cool. they're still guaranteed within a specific timeframe.

its not comparable

[spice veldt]

well the idea is that once you have it, you have it and you can just swap between it; and eventually the pool becomes smaller and smaller

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah but that time frame can be like a year depending on your schedule.

As someome who likes to play a lot, it was very annoying

[ruby plover]

did i say DRG was perfect somewhere

[cyan notch]

its not lol

[shadow wigeon]

Nope, just saying time gating is also a bad system

[cyan notch]

game looks goofy af

mfing dwarves bro

give it a rest

go play fortnite

[ruby plover]

okay its still uncomparably objectively much better

[restive slate]

The art style of DRG does seem awkward at first

[ruby plover]

which is my only point

[shadow wigeon]

For me, it is objectively worse

[restive slate]

But once you Rock and Stone...

[ruby plover]

yeah i prefer darktide where i can keep grinding and still never get what i want

much better

[restive slate]

DRG procedurally generated maps do provide a fresh experience each dive

The same Darktide missions are starting to take a toll on me haha

[ruby plover]

also like

im not arguing for time gates lol

im arguing against unmitigated rng

time gates arent inherently linked to a lockout system

[restive slate]

I want my Ashen Wastes mode(Chaos Wastes VT2)

[lunar hollow]

fuck ashen wastes

space hulk version of chaos wastes

cmon

[shadow wigeon]

No, they're just another bad idea. Probably better for some people, much worse for me.

I ended up modding save in DRG to just get unlim OCs

[ruby plover]

please explain to me how a lockout system would be worse for you

again, time gating is not inherent to a lockout system

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, just saying they're both bad.

[ruby plover]

umm k

[shadow wigeon]

I got max gear in DT in 2 months. In DRG you could be waiting months and months for all your OCs.

I got reasonably lucky with DRG's RNG, but it still sucked, for my case.

And a fair number of folks on their discord

[ruby plover]

2 months to get all maxed gear in darktide is

deranged

i mean its obviously not true but lmao

[shadow wigeon]

It's really not that hard

[ruby plover]

uhuh yeah okay

[shadow wigeon]

You just... play a lot.

That might not be a GREAT idea

[ruby plover]

lmfao

[cyan notch]

have u tried Just Getting The Thing You Want?

[ruby plover]

this guy is trolling

hes gotta be right

[cyan notch]

......It's... Not...Hard....Bro...

[spice veldt]

I have 1k hours and still don't have my perfect gear

and I'm somebody who only sticks to two weapons

[cyan notch]

Hey Buddy Maybe You Should Just Acqure The Gear

[shadow wigeon]

+10% Ordo dockets the secret GOAT perk

[cyan notch]

.....It's....Really.....Not....Hard...

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah it's really not

Play damnation, don't roll anything below 370, acquire T4's.... you're done

[ruby plover]

yeah this is bait

[spice veldt]

just get weapons above 370

[cyan notch]

Yeah....Guys......Just...Do...It....

I Got My Maxed Gear In 1 Week

[fathom adder]

Yeah my interest in DRG plummeted when Overclocks came out

[ruby plover]

ohhhh he edited the message

just play damnation guys

[safe crystal]

I rolled 3.5 mil ordos for a minor Illisi upgrade last time i played, got 7 swords above 370, and only one of them rolled okay-ish. This system is complete ass compared to DRG, even with the time gates

[spice veldt]

what difficulty do you think I play?

[ruby plover]

thats what we were missing

[spice veldt]

I've been playing since launch until now, and I still do not have my perfect gear

[karmic delta]

thats just the gambling talking

[ruby plover]

i have perfect gear. its not best blessings or high tier perks. but its perfect to me :*)

[spice veldt]

regardless of whatever you will say, my inventory is empirical proof that darktide's system is absolute shit

[cyan notch]

Hey Bro....It's Not Hard.....Just Play Damnation And Get What You Want....Simple Math Really....

[karmic delta]

its perfect in my heart ❤️

[ruby plover]

have you tried simply fucking having perfect gear

why not? are you stupid?

[karmic delta]

I am content

simple as

[ruby plover]

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah that's pretty disappointing. Average cost for 370 tracks though, I would say I'm around 400K per

[cyan notch]

Whenever I Don't Get My Perfect Gear I Simply Tell Myself I Should Have Gotten My Perfect Gear Instead....Works Every Time....

[shadow wigeon]

Not joking about the +ordo though. Ever since Brunt's got patched I have run that on my mains until I got what I wanted.

[karmic delta]

Did you know? 99% of gamblers quit before they hit it big!

[spice veldt]

that's still only +30%

[shadow wigeon]

It adds up fast, especially if grab grims and special conditions

[spice veldt]

I really doubt that if I had 30% more hours invested in this game, I would have exactly what I wanted

[shadow wigeon]

Always grab grims on reg or low intesn

[ruby plover]

damnit the reason i didnt have perfect rolls of everything by december was that i didnt pick up enough grims

thats it

why didnt i think...

[cyan notch]

Just Gamble 30% More Guys....It Isn't Hard....

[shadow wigeon]

It's just math dude, that's all your fighting.

[ruby plover]

LMAO

[spice veldt]

+30%?

really?

[ruby plover]

man who apparently has literally 0 understanding of what probability is tells other people theyre arguing with math

man who is literally simping for gambling

telling other people theyre arguing with math

holy shit that is prime

[cyan notch]

Guy Like Me Who Gambled 30% More Got MyPerfectGear™️ In 4 Days

[karmic delta]

[shadow wigeon]

Well you're clearly very new to the game, so just giving you suggestions on how to speed things up.

[ruby plover]

keep digging

[shadow wigeon]

+30 from ordos, grims for +60, it adds

[ruby plover]

LMAO

[shadow wigeon]

Run that on special condition ideally

[spice veldt]

probability of failure and mission completion time apparently do not exist to you

you talk like it's a direct +60% increase in money over time

[cyan notch]

Hey Guys If U Simply Gambled More You Would Definitely™️ Get Your Perfect Gear

[shadow wigeon]

Grim on reg or low is not that bad.

[ruby plover]

im trying to think of an analogy for something as ridiculous as accusing other people of fighting with math while simping for unmitigated gambling

and i cant

[cyan notch]

Personally As The Only Person In Darktide To Pick Up Books I Think You Guys Should Try it Too

[ruby plover]

its like the most succinctly absurd statement

honestly props thats a good one

[cyan notch]

You Wont Believe This One Trick!

[ruby plover]

anyways

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1010417075652657212/1105602218935201933/shakeshakeshake.gif

[shadow wigeon]

Listen, all the reee ing is irrelevant ok, i dont care ok? For the other folks in channel who want o know how speed up rolling Brunt's, because there's no choice right now, that's it.

[twilit flicker]

Truth.

[ruby plover]

local man plays it off cool after getting clowned on by everyone

[north cradle]

What the hell are you guys talking about

[spice veldt]

this statement is what I have problem with

[cyan notch]

Guys I Really Don't Care I Swear Bro Trust Me I'm Not Crying...You Are!!! Just Get Your Gear!!!!!

[ruby plover]

[north cradle]

Ooh hello beautiful

[spice veldt]

don't try to make yourself seem like you're giving advice when that statement was the one to start it all

[cyan notch]

Whenever I Don't Get My Max Gear In 2 Months I Think Hey Maybe I Should Have Just Gotten My Max Gear In 2 Months

[shadow wigeon]

I started in Jan, I was done by end of march. Probably 1000 hours? maybe 700 by the time I was done.

Just played a lot

[spice veldt]

bruh I just said that I have about the same amount of hours as you

[cyan notch]

Yeah Well I Got My Max Gear in 3 Days So I Don't See The Problem Maybe You're Just A Noob

[ruby plover]

show me ur chain axe

[shadow wigeon]

Do you run just damn?

[spice veldt]

yes I do

[ruby plover]

i wanna see ur chaxe

[spice veldt]

I also said that previously

[ruby plover]

or ur thammer

or ur kanty

[cyan notch]

Your A Malice Player Have U Tried Picking Up Books And Getting More Ordos?

[shadow wigeon]

A+ and maniacs is a good perk

[cyan notch]

I Dont Know About You Guys But I Get All My Max Gear With T4 Perks And Blessings With 380 Perfect Stats First Try So The System Works

[ruby plover]

dude wont even post his chaxe how do we know he even has perfect gear

[spice veldt]

and flip's main point was about it being unmitigated

[ruby plover]

yeah everyone always misses that part

[shadow wigeon]

I have never once said anything about that. It's a bad system. never said it was good.

[north cradle]

Also I'm trying out a new fit for my Gun Psyker

[spice veldt]

well then, I'm not sure how to interpret your "I got max gear in DT in 2 months" statement then

[shadow wigeon]

Since it's the only one we've got, you can accelerate the gambling, that's all.

[cyan notch]

it means nothing

[shadow wigeon]

it was in reference to DRG, where people can be locked out for over 6 months, and no amount of playing helps.

[twilit flicker]

This is why I'm on miles' side of this disagreement. Someone made the assertion that he's simping for the system, when he isn't. The system sucks.

[shadow wigeon]

Which was very disappointing

[raw otter]

praise be the cosmetics notification bug

[ruby plover]

so

[cyan notch]

hes just saying yea i got my perfect gear (btw my definition of perfect gear is a +1 wounds curio)

[north cradle]

Yessirrrrr

[ruby plover]

you were just intentionally missing the point after the 3 times i stated the time gate is not the point

[shadow wigeon]

Bro that's the max wounds you can get, it's perfect.

[ruby plover]

got it

[raw otter]

removing shirtless cosmetic ✅
removing notification cosmetic ❌

[spice veldt]

miles is the one asserting that +dockets and running special conditions/secondaries will make a large difference

[north cradle]

I wish there was a "Clear All Notifications" button

[spice veldt]

even though I've been doing the latter for quite a while

[raw otter]

oh with a mod you can do this
but fs didnt fix this bug i guess yet

[ruby plover]

the argument here isnt darktide vs drg its mitigated vs unmitigated rng

[cyan notch]

dude thats crazy no wonder u got your max gear in 2 months i got it earlier in like 2 days tho heres a tip try checking the shop

[ruby plover]

and that was clearly the point from the beginning

[shadow wigeon]

You can nearly double your dockets, and as you clearly know, they're probably the biggest limiter here.

[spice veldt]

also this

mate, I just said I've been doing special conditions and secondaries

[raw otter]

for max gear would be like having all capped with god rolls, 380
and things like that
it is just not possible

[spice veldt]

so the only thing I'm missing out on is +30%

[ruby plover]

its easy if you only play 2 classes and only use 2 weapons on each

[cyan notch]

Hey Man Maybe If You Gambled 30% More You Would Magically Get Your Gear

[ruby plover]

[shadow wigeon]

I just mean there's no real trick to it. Unfortunately it's just game time, and you can optimize that quite a bit.

[ruby plover]

guy who has spent 2k hours looking for thrust 4

simply look more!

idiot.

[spice veldt]

figuring out the strategy isn't hard

the time investment is the hard part

[shadow wigeon]

A lot of people overlook how to grind for ordo specifically

[spice veldt]

but not me

[shadow wigeon]

Because +ordo looks like hot garbage, but it helps.

[ruby plover]

why are we still getting sidetracked on ordos

[cyan notch]

YO GUYS DID U KNOW +MONEY GIVES U MONEY THIS IS HOW U GET YOUR ULTRA GOD ROLLS!!!!

[shadow wigeon]

Because that's the biggest limiter

[cyan notch]

IM A GENIUS NOBODY THOUGHT OF IT BEFORE

GUYS SLAUGHTERER IS REALLY UNDERRATED

[spice veldt]

I've already stated that I play damnation and have an equivalent amount of hours to you, so I don't know why you keep on reiterating the same advice

[ruby plover]

dude i dont care about gambling optimization everyone knoes how to optimize their gambling

the point here is that gambling is bad

[safe crystal]

Ngl, my biggest limiter is finding the motivation to hop back into the game to play at all at this point

[ruby plover]

no one was looking for help gambling better we all know how to gamble

[shadow wigeon]

Understandable

[cyan notch]

no bro did u know +money = more money

[ruby plover]

ommmmgggg wow this changes everything

[raw otter]

capped my ordo money = i maxed my gear

[shadow wigeon]

There's loads of new players here that have no idea what the loop is.

[ruby plover]

[shadow wigeon]

Or even the shop mods to use right now

[raw otter]

🤔

[hidden crystal]

Apropos of nothing, did you guys know that Discord has a feature to block people so you then don't have to read what they say...?

It's great for obvious trolls.

[shadow wigeon]

That reminds me, came back here to say we got the horde bug on a frickin shock troop on excise again.

[cyan notch]

damn bro thats crazy

me personally i wouldnt let that happen to me

whenever im about to get hit with a game bug i just think maybe i shouldnt let myself get that bug

and with my trusty +xp curio it just works

you should try it next time on damnation

you're clearly very new to the game, so just giving you suggestions on how to speed things up.

[hidden crystal]

Did you know the easiest way to not fail missions is not to do them at all?

[safe crystal]

Way ahead of you

[hidden crystal]

The trick to not dying is to kill the enemy before they kill you.

[safe crystal]

A dog cant pounce on you if you let a mutant grab you first

[spice veldt]

200iq get grabbed by a mutant to move the trapper/dog aggro onto a teammate

[hidden crystal]

Have the enemy found cover? Try using a barrel to launch yourself into orbit and shoot them from above.

[safe crystal]

Have you tried shooting them before they get to cover?

[hidden crystal]

Damn, that's where I'm going wrong.

[ruby plover]

this reminds me

of rezzing teammates to dodge dogs

fuck wheres the clip

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1096181186755313765/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.04.13_-_13.52.47.35.DVR_Trim.mp4

[copper raft]

mr bean dodge

[ruby plover]

LMAO

excellent description

[spice veldt]

was that intentional or were you just praying that the dog was going to miss

god damn

[ruby plover]

emprah guide my wheel

[copper raft]

i love accidentally dodging/killing hounds

happens to me a lot

[spice veldt]

happening to be near really nice map geometry for dodging dogs is nice

[ruby plover]

accidentally bapping a dog in the dome with a chain weapon as it lunges is an all timer

[spice veldt]

my intentional™ positioning™ benefitting me

[safe crystal]

You can see the dogs? ._.

[spice veldt]

lmao

[ruby plover]

well i guess chaxe specifically cuz why would i just be walking around with a revved chain weap

[north cradle]

Cuz it's cool

I wish activated weapons stayed activated until you attack or swap weapons

[tropic vigil]

its bricked right?

[twilit flicker]

Absolutely.

[spice veldt]

this is what iceslow is referring to for whoever is not privy #zealot-class message

[karmic delta]

oof

[tropic vigil]

unlucky

[karmic delta]

I guess the T2 Sustained Fire is still good? ish?

[hidden crystal]

Pox hounds now have Tau Stealthsuit technology.

[safe crystal]

I lost a good coffee mug that day

The sudden movement you see when the dog reveals is me letting go of my mouse and shoving the mug onto the floor

[karmic delta]

oof

[shadow wigeon]

Probably take TB over sustained fire, given no choice

[past bear]

Should I cannibalize the shred from this mkII to put on the V or just hold onto it in case of some future patch? Quite sad precog doesnt work

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah sorry for sounding dismissive, didn't mean to, was just typing quickly. I guess I just meant not complicated (which you already know). I'm sorry the game is really disrespecting your time like that.

[frozen osprey]

blessed by fate

[maiden wolf]

I ended up dropping headtaker for BM.

[vestal raven]

jesus

what an axe

[cyan notch]

wtf

not 550

point and laugh

discard immediately

[maiden wolf]

Gonna use my new axe with the Trauma staff.

[cyan notch]

well then

[shy prairie]

80% quell

[violet yoke]

LOL it not even 380 trash it

[cyan notch]

i did tbh

realised my current one is better

[olive ember]

🤔

You guys ready for the massive surge staff and obscures buffs?

[tender onyx]

what's the consensus on the bloodthirsty blessing for the deimos force sword. is it worth getting over uncanny strike?

[olive ember]

No

You don’t ever use the special on the deimos

[twilit flicker]

Probably not, but if you like to use the special a lot go ahead with bloodthirsty I guess

[vestal raven]

uncanny is poggers

[forest coral]

ur poggers

[vestal raven]

x)

[twilit flicker]

Also, 100% the next update will be throneside map, they teased it last uplink. One map nothing else, don't get ur hopes up!

You're better off gambling if don't think so!

I hope it's either an investigation or repair map. Since we only have Hab Dreyko and Power Complex HL-17-36.

[tender onyx]

I'm hoping it'll be the mythical Flash Mission

[kind jay]

if your expectations are low you won't be disappointed

ez5head

[twilit flicker]

I expect nothing and am pleased every time.

Even if it's a rollback cuz the loudmouths get mad for nothing!

[kind jay]

however as @olive ember said, be ready for surge meta

it's coming and everyone knows it

[twilit flicker]

Guess I better prepare my plasteel, oh wise one

[kind jay]

you will be pleased varlet

[cyan notch]

noob

[olive ember]

Surge meta woooo

[olive ember]

Do you use the special on the deimos

[cyan notch]

yes

[olive ember]

For what

Assassination bosses?

[cyan notch]

on dogs flamers mutants crushers maulers

[olive ember]

Just

Stab them

Bruh

[cyan notch]

can ur stab kill maulers

or crushers

[olive ember]

Sure

If I believe

Also I use the obscures so

Different convo

[cyan notch]

??????

ur the one who brought up deimos

[olive ember]

Yes but

Why you use special smh

Anyways

[cyan notch]

its obscurus

noob x2

[olive ember]

The latest Reddit take is beautiful

Surge meta

Obscures is great

Screw the deimos

[cyan notch]

u cant even spell ur fav sword correctly

noob x3

[olive ember]

SMH

Grammar nazi here smh

[primal plume]

how do i salvage this

[olive ember]

Uh

Those perks are big rip

[north cradle]

Hell yeah I can buy it

[olive ember]

Replace blazing spirit with rending shockwave

Replace sprint eff with unarmoured or something

And yeah

[formal ridge]

why would you want stam on a ranged weapon ... at least you sprint with it...

[formal ridge]

replace stamina with anything else

[dusky smelt]

what a tragedy

[olive ember]

I mean stam increases sprint duration as well as other things iirc

not too sure how it worked but yeah

[formal ridge]

um thats what sprint efficiency does

[olive ember]

yes but stam does other things too

honestly tho they are both so shit idr which one is worse and i don't think it will matter in the long run

but Ik people were taking stam on their fucking guns to run more or wte

when stripped down brauto's were a big thing for zealots and vets

[formal ridge]

not really, one is entirely uselss and one actually improves mobility

[olive ember]

It kinda does other things?

idr how it worked tho tbh so prob would have to ask someone else

but people were putting stam on their guns over sprint efficiency so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

again at the end of the day they are both trash and it doesn't matter which one you replace anyways so

[formal ridge]

stam on a brauto lets you bash more

[kind jay]

i use one 3stam. has a good general use feel for me. block more, run more, and if some idiot (not me ofc) aggros a dh i can actually face tank it

[primal plume]

remember when they said they fixed a bug that made the ship sunny?

[spice veldt]

stamina on a ranged weapon can be actively detrimental because your relative regeneration decreases

[olive ember]

🤔

meh

[cyan notch]

no

u can run more

checkmate

[elfin nexus]

bruh wtf

just upgraded this from grey lol

perks are shit but if i can get 25% maniac its useable at least

[vestal raven]

hell of a sword

nice

[elfin nexus]

ty ty i lucked out for sure

[south zephyr]

played vet a little today... felt off not being psyker or ogryn

kept trying to do psyker/ogryn things

turns out, a grenade is not brain burster

and a combat axe isn't an Illisi

[kind jay]

at least you learned your lesson

[short vessel]

In the new penances, what exactly are warp attacks?

[restive slate]

All staffs primary secondary attacks, brainburst, Soulblaze and maybe force sword special attacks

[short vessel]

ah thats ok then

[vagrant hollow]

guys which talents are better with trauma? 1. or 2.?

[restive slate]

I go 2

[spice veldt]

depends

I mainly use melee and run quietude, so I prefer warp unleashed

[restive slate]

Trauma is more CC for me

[vagrant hollow]

obv 1st gives me breakpoint to kill flamer on 1 BB

[restive slate]

Oh yea BB would benefit from that

[obtuse moth]

2 if you're mostly using trauma for horde clear or your main weapon

[late yew]

IWhat a joke blessing

[vagrant hollow]

ok ty for answer

[short vessel]

I just played the Deimos for the first time

karkin hell man

Blows anything else out of the water

[vestal raven]

^

now learn to one shot mutants

x)

[ornate hamlet]

???

!!!

Too late, spent tokens on unrelated stuff

And yes, I am calling Marks tokens.

I call them melks

[vestal rose]

they fixed my shirtless psyker
the bastards

this is the reward for loyal service, apparently

[restive slate]

Wait, what else does this update do other than deprive us from bare bods?

[vestal rose]

the game feels like it loads faster

[restive slate]

Is the Emperor's Light still on the Mourningstar?

[vestal rose]

his light shines no more

[restive slate]

Truly is the Darktide

[vestal rose]

its so sad

i see people running around the morningstar with their bare abs

knowing their time is nearly at its end

[restive slate]

Nothing wrong with displaying the glorious beauty of humanity's anatomical form

[vestal rose]

exactly

[restive slate]

Better have Repentia cosmetic... for BOTH Zealot genders

[strong thicket]

Is uncanny worth it?

[restive slate]

Uncanny helps Duelling Swords actually hurt armoured targets

[strong thicket]

[restive slate]

I'd pair that with Shred or Rampage

[late yew]

damn, i forget how fun brainbusting is when i do milky quests on other classes

[lucid horizon]

is there any news about the next patch to be released?

[ornate hamlet]

Nope none at all and definitely not a comm link tomorrow with more info

[lucid horizon]

no leaks either?

[ornate hamlet]

Hmmm...

Which one should I replace with for my Obscurus Force Sword, and which one should I choose to be a replacement?

Executor or Unstable Power, and with Deflector or Slaughterer?

If you don't have slaughterer, 100% get it

I personally like deflector with it, but some like unstable power and some even bloodthirsty

[vernal frost]

with obscurus the first thing you're gonna want to replace is the weapon's mk

[cloud moon]

just wanted to drop this here

[inland sand]

don;t run quietude

run the middle talent with Trauma if you want to maximise aggression and damage with it

If you want to generate value with Trauma you have to chain cast Blue circles, which means you have to be able to generate toughness through kill and not through quelling. You'll also need warp flurry on the staff and the talent on the 10 row that means u generate less peril with warp charge stacks

if you run that build, you'll be able to cast generally around 8-10 blue circles in enemy density situations, as opposed to 4-6

[river sand]

why do ppl love surge so much? played a few rounds with it again, much higher fail rate than with trauma. lower dmg, unpredictable cc, nothing good against dreg shooters ....

[ember hornet]

surge lovers are a special breed

[vestal rose]

is it surge hating time again?

[random cedar]

The Emperor keeps giving me surge staves so he must want me to use them

[ember hornet]

we don't have derpy to troll about the surge rn though

[vestal rose]

derpy is asleep post useful staves

[ember hornet]

I'm sorry amigo

but if you can't hard carry with a staff that stuns 5 enemies that's a major skill issue

I wanted to like the surge

it's just like, eviscerator tier

cool and nearly useless

I suppose it somewhat functions as a backup to the illisi if you are maining illisi

[obtuse moth]

i have no issue using quietitude with trauma, you kill quell with it anyway or eventually have to stop casting because of peril which means you will get quell toughness then anyway. trauma itself is generally aggressive enough to prevent toughness damage

[obtuse moth]

its a utility rather than dps staff, and some players really like that playstyle. theres also the RP force lightning and the fact it works well on groups of shooters, even behind cover. trauma and surge are my favorite staves for pushing on shooters. its also the staff that just says NO to specials, so if thats your thing you might really like it. it can stabilise groups pretty well with its omnidirectional stun that can chain around corners.
don't shoot the messenger, i dont like using it or voidstrike but you asked why someone would like it

[steel egret]

Surge is fine as long as people with you use the benefit of CC.

[inland sand]

you can't fight shooters that are shooting you with Quietude because you need to stop fighting to regenerate your toughness. You can fight shooters that are shooting you with the middle one because killing the gunners regenerates your toughness

but fair enough, use whatever u find most comfortable I guess. I've just never felt like Quietude made much sense on a staff where you want to be casting as much as possible and quelling from 100 to 0

[desert vault]

Word. it melts anything with armor.

[wet belfry]

Surge is actually pretty good vs shooters.

It kills a large part of them with a full charge when built properly

[obtuse moth]

they aren't shooting me because ive already hit them with the staff or are in melee range. if im not that close enough to do that, i can regenerate with quietitude fine since that means im playing a long range game. slide max range trauma is enough to keep them cced or dead. aggro range is way less than trauma max range so you just get there before some dumdum aggros them from across the map

[obtuse moth]

it can, but i personally find it generally faster to just left click them in the head after you get them to stand up and stand still

[wet belfry]

The ideal is to run in with a charged surge staff do 1 charged attack then go into melee

Since sprint slide works with a charged surge staff

[strong thicket]

Mind in motion should allow us to charge while sprinting

Surge staff crackhead build with lots of stamina

Basically a zealot

[kind jay]

woah surge

obligatory pls buff

etc etc etc

[deft gorge]

mk4 best duel sword?

[dry agate]

Its uuuh the best overall yea

Think mk5 is better single target though

[deft gorge]

one day...

[twilit badger]

Disgusting

[deft gorge]

wasnt even brunt

it was requisitioned

[twilit badger]

Still disgusting

The mere sight of it

[ember hornet]

checking psyker melk every day has to be one of the saddest things you can do in this game

[twilit badger]

Ah yes

[deft gorge]

not as sad as being a vet

[twilit badger]

Autogun lasgun lasgun catachan sword

[ember hornet]

psykers just get non psyker weapons almost exclusively

[twilit badger]

Then very rarely staff or force sword

Then mostly those are with T3 blessings

Ahh yes i can't get that enough cock n ball torture

[ember hornet]

I currently have 2 dueling swords, 2 Achlys, revolver, claw, and headhunter

why the fuck would I ever want any of those

I want force swords, and I want staffs

[cyan notch]

my darktide experience last few weeks was looking at shop and going

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-worthless-gravity-falls-dipper-pines-worthless-gif-25136060

[ember hornet]

at least hadron got nicer

[frank lake]

good enough to waste my v bucks

[ionic frost]

Anyone else unable to change loadouts with this wonderfully tested update?

It just goes back to the old gear every time you try

[ionic frost]

It's so sad I do it on both psykers only to be twice as disappointed.

[spice veldt]

quietude is good enough on trauma for three reasons:

• you can engage shooters at a range where they'll be doing peashooter damage (~20 meters)
• the outer area of the trauma will interrupt the volleys of ranged enemies (including shotgunners, gunners, and reapers) when sufficiently charged
• trauma generates a lot of peril
  I don't consider warp flurry to be essential, and I've been having fine ranged engagements without it. At its base, Trauma is already quite good.

[cyan portal]

Can't swap to a topless cosmetic any more

[ionic frost]

Found out I need to change the "default" cosmetic they changed them to, to something else.

They don't even test their hotfixes, such a bad practice.

We're their QA testers.

ooo, slendergryn

[inland sand]

depends on density of enemies. At HI Shock5, i think you're just hamstringing yourself by not picking Flurry. and yeah Trauma does generate a lot of peril, hence the Warp resistance pick on the 10 row. You can run quietude if u want but you will have more downtime managing toughness if you take toughness damage during casting

[spice veldt]

one blast every-so-often is good enough for melee elite patrols since it'll spread them in the process

if I need some extra damage, I usually just hang around 100% peril since I run warp unleashed with it

if the human melee elites are exposed, then they get smacked with my maniac/flak unstable power illisi

if there are crushers that need killing, they get brainbursted

for specialists, I just throw a bolt at them for a quick stun (bombers/flamers) or blast a quick circle(trappers/dogs) since I rarely ever need to CC more than one at a time; and even then, 1.3 seconds is pretty fast to charge up at full

[inland sand]

Crusher patrols get exploded to death, lone crushers get the sword or Kinetic Barrage

with specials I normally just KB BB them or Force sword them depending on proximity

[spice veldt]

switching weapons sround is a large part of my gameplay flow, and flurry doesn't particularly synergize or have enough of a benefit for me especially when I don't run inner tranq

[inland sand]

I think to be effective as a Psyker, you have to be switching between weapons

[spice veldt]

and it's good enough for ranged engagements where the trauma will buy me time and picking something like focused channeling allows me to be a bit more aggressive and just frontline

[inland sand]

the question is how far you want to push it

a task for every tool and a tool for every task

[ionic frost]

Without fail when I run surge staff, the two ogryns and preacher on my team are hideous and can't kill or survive hordes.

Bad Ogryn horde clear = fire stubber until out of ammo or dead.

I'll just refer to them as Bogryn from now on.

[sick steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308373855116984320/1108378141128401027/image.png

Hadron saved this sword lol

Just gotta decide what other perk I want

She just keeps pulling through on my Psyker, my other classes are unlucky

[north cradle]

Ooh I can't wait to see how Hadron ruins it

[ionic frost]

Hadron said the Defences stat was already low enough. =D

[white cedar]

what is the last feat for Surge Staff, AB or KB 🤔

[ionic frost]

Pray your team doesn't fold to hordes.

[strong thicket]

What's the current gunpsyker feat build?

And i assume it involves stuff like columnus iag and shredder?

[white cedar]

3-1-1-2-3-2/3

[kind jay]

kb 100%

[white cedar]

is it viable to run AB in T5 if I got 2 bolter/plasma in my team?

[kind jay]

two bolter? u might as well go afk

the thing is you're using surge so ab doesnt do much

[sick steeple]

Been taking it into damnation, it’s really fun. The Peril Block talent has been a savior

[kind jay]

it'd be better to have the quick bb

[white cedar]

agree

[warped kernel]

Look at my beautiful Illisi. There isn't one specific thing wrong with it, I don't know what you mean.

haha i see that you all are speechless. you don't know what to say

in light of such perfection

how dare you

[white cedar]

nothing wrong with the sword but your legs look weird when you holding it. XD

[orchid shadow]

God damnit, they fixed the shirtless bug again.

[warped kernel]

legs? also jokes aside, the mobility is certainly a negative, but it's been fine in my damnation games. i see the difference between it and a high ranking one side by side in the meatgrinder, but it's been fine

[violet yoke]

never skip leg day

[static agate]

Wise words

[round jay]

oh christ

[static agate]

Which cosmetic is it that gives a Cloak??

[kind jay]

dunno the name but it comes from the bb 25 disabler penance

[static agate]

Disabler penance?

Dont blow up 50 times?

[whole quail]

Stamina to 25 flak, blazing spirit to rending shockwave

[kind jay]

there's one that says "brain burst 25 hounds, mutants, or trappers"

[kind jay]

that one ty

[static agate]

God damnit, I have been grinding all other penances and I have had it all this time? Under top wear, not head wear..

Fml

[kind jay]

[whole quail]

At least you don't have to edge yourself close to exploding 50 times for some pajama pants

[static agate]

... I was working on that one

Was last one

[whole quail]

same

[static agate]

...

[red wind]

that’s the most annoying one imo

you just have to waste your F a bunch to get it

although not as bad as some other penances

[hollow current]

just get a psyker buddy and do private game to do that one.

stay at the start and watch youtube vids as you do it and leave once the penance pops up

[warped kernel]

yeah it's a bit annoying, but I kinda liked it for really sort of learning just how far you can push your warp attacks. Like I've always been cautious about using warp attacks past 90% even though I logically know you can basically always use them if you're below 100%, so it was helpful to sort of really realize how much I can push it, and I've solely played Psyker since release.

so also good for new players in that regard

[spice veldt]

in hindsight, it'd make sense for new players to be in the perils of the warp state and have the luxury of spamming their ults since they won't feel as much of a need to save it since they don't have the lvl30 feats

I'm just paranoid of ever being in the perils of the warp state because I have been caught by snipers in it because I couldn't dodge and wasn't quick enough to tap F (or my ult straight up doesn't fire because good servers)

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/v62hpv

the voidstrike's RMB doing the same thing is presumably due to the same reason of just laggy servers

so in this way, I suppose the voidstrike does scale as there are more and more enemies

[nimble burrow]

the max peril f is whatever with a illisi, just hit special on cooldown. You’ll have it done in 5 missions tops.

I enjoyed trying to optimally do all the penances at once, so i heard a special sound queue, maxed peril w illisi, hit f, and popped anything
for the max stacks before they turned the corner.

[red wind]

yeah the new penances are actually great for homing in some playstyles for new players

with this one specifically it kinda pushes you to find out what your limit for spamming warp attacks is as youve said

[nimble burrow]

I think the only one of the four i disliked was the zealot crit stunned things because it was before i had a bloodthirty chain weapon

So many wasted f’s on pox hoards

[red wind]

you just need a weapon with a high cleave, stun a horde, charge in and do a heavy attack

you can get like a solid 10 from one F

that's how i did it anyway, or just run an axe or something for guaranteed crits i guess

[nimble burrow]

Yeah my zealot had my least playtime but after doing em all it’s come around to being in my top 2 favs to play

[red wind]

zealot is quite fun yea

i just like psyker more sometimes because casting spells n shit

[nimble burrow]

mhmm. I could have done 1000 more missions with psyk but i crave variety.

[red wind]

personally i crave penances and some of them require me to just play a lot

100 missions is surprisingly quite the task

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, that one's irritating, particularly as it's a prerequisite for a lot of the other penances.

[red wind]

mostly because starting a fresh character can vary from breezing through malice or whatever or having people who have never played a shooter before

the most annoying penance to me so far is the keep your distance one for psyker

sounds easy on paper but its kinda hard to not get hit my specials when my teammates dont do anything

[nimble burrow]

Or people that have never played a first person melee game… its a short list to be fair

doom enjoyers

[red wind]

-vermintide
???
-left 4 dead i guess?

[hidden crystal]

Well, I've managed one mission for that one so far. But that's way more progress than than the 5 Perils I've managed to avoid.

[red wind]

i just noticed that most "new" people have no sense to go root around the map for loot and just try to rush through it

[shy prairie]

what am I to do with this
thing

[red wind]

which is kinda funny because half of my deaths on heresy/damnation was because my random teammates charged past like all the enemies and i had to desperately try to go help them

i feel like unless fs add a giant glowing neon sign saying "stay in this radius!!" around everyone on your team everyone will keep splitting up

[hidden crystal]

Well, you could hipfire while sprinting.

[nimble burrow]

there’s not much point to doing it if you dont know how much you might need to grind for optimizing gear
but also, i wish i had saved days of my life not scrounging the same 300 box locations ive now memorized….

[shy prairie]

simply too true, thank you emperor for this very useful (tm) pskyer revolver

[red wind]

yeah but sometimes i feel like im the only one going out of my way to get med boxes or materials or whatever

[nimble burrow]

Meds and grenades and ammo? Who needs that?

[red wind]

true...

[hidden crystal]

Oh, the number of times I flag ammo, or a med crate, or whatever, and people aren't willing to walk ten metres to pick it up...

[red wind]

my favourite part is randoms picking up grims while 2 players are down and theres a plague ogryn

[nimble burrow]

Ive seen more than a few games end with everyone with no ammo but it’s pretty rare

[red wind]

veteran penance reference

of all the penances to be locked behind private games malleus monstrotum for psyker makes the least sense

i usually end up doing 90% of damage to bosses with bb anyway

[hidden crystal]

The problem is that it needs everyone else to agree to not shoot it.

It also often involves deliberately provoking daemonhosts.

[nimble burrow]

I just hate going multiple missions without ANY monsters

[red wind]

currently its far easier to just wait for a nurgle to spawn

since they increased how much damage you do to em now

[tender terrace]

its borked right

[wanton sandal]

[sick steeple]

Fire build time

[tender terrace]

p much only staff i use now

but on critical hit? lol

[red wind]

like all hits with the deimos will basically crit

[tender terrace]

hm

is there a decent bless to pair with that then?

swap perk to crit damage?

(crit %)

use wildfire with it?

[red wind]

bloodthirsty i guess?

or whatever it was named

or just run slaughter because its too good

actually executor shouldnt be too bad on it

[tender terrace]

i kinda wanted deflector cause annoying getting shot at but

oh

i guess executor is kinda similar to slaughterer then

as long as im hitting weak spots?

o but slaughter is 15% lol

[north cradle]

Executor isn't the worst on a Deimos either, methinks

If you do the Light-Heavy-Light-Heavy combo then it probably works out great

[tender terrace]

so like

executor + slaughterer then

yeah?

i didnt realize it was weak spot on any target i thought it was same target so doesn't seem bad at all

[north cradle]

I suppose. I like Deflector personally, but I realise it may not be the optimal blessing

Some of these blessings could definitely use a buff or a longer stack duration

[tender terrace]

like is it meme tier to go all in on blazing lmao

shred + 5% crit perk

wildfire

[north cradle]

Blazing Spirit is kind of ass, on Deimos especially

Bloodthirsty + Blazing Spirit on an Illisi would be hilarious though

[tender terrace]

i havent used that yet

is the special diffy on it

[spice veldt]

it has the same special as the power sword

and a similar damage profile

albeit with slightly lower cleave

[tender terrace]

got it

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/p9fglb

[north cradle]

The Illisi itself is cleave heavy

It's as fast as a Duelling Sword and is a quick and easy way to get a bunch of Peril fast

I think it's best described as "Illisi is a better crowd control, and Deimos is a better crowd clear"

[tender terrace]

i guess for how im playing im not really sure the use of a cleave melee when im just burning shit instead

[spice veldt]

it's nice for rushing a map since you kill stragglers and small groups of melee elites quickly

since while the purg is very nice, it does have some setup cost in the form of time

and the illisi's special, for whatever reason, has increased stagger

so you can just stand your ground against two ragers/maulers

also, the illisi absolutely has better hordeclear than the deimos

this is a comparison within the illisi, but you can see how the special is noticeably better than the normals

Normal sweeping heavy (6 cleave)

special heavy (10.5 cleave)

[faint vault]

It is same target, and rarely builds as the target just dies in the first swing if you run slaughterer. Not an ideal blessing, I'd say. I much prefer the power based on peril one.

[spice veldt]

any target https://streamable.com/58ch14

executor is also maintained as long as you hit a single weakspot in your cleave

[faint vault]

Weird, I just tested it yesterday on an Illisi I got. Seemed to loose stacks as soon as the target died.

[spice veldt]

hitting a bodyshot is not a stopping condition

[faint vault]

Ah, missed hitspot.

That's it.

[spice veldt]

yeah, the stopping condition seems to be "not hitting a weakspot on a swing"

which straight up includes misses

[faint vault]

Yeah

That explains it.

[spice veldt]

which I absolutely despise

[faint vault]

Me too.

Hmm, anyone else having back end errors when signing in?

[graceful eagle]

which mod is showing Kinetic Flayer cd ?

[spice veldt]

crosshair HUD

it's a recent update to it

[graceful eagle]

thank

[spice veldt]

it's also responsible for the warp charge indicator that you see to the bottom-left of my health bar

[faint vault]

Oh, that's nice

[spice veldt]

makes me pay attention to my warp charges a bit more

though there's a bit of a bugged behavior where the position of the warp charge and kinetic flayer indicators will randomly reset back to their default positions

[faint vault]

Noted!

[tender terrace]

ok thanks i thought it wasn't same target

[late yew]

Do warp charges help breach some breakpoints?

Thinking if i should have warp battery at all with trauma

and void

[tardy trellis]

should i keep using chainsword or what

[graceful eagle]

if you like it i guess

[tardy trellis]

yae

keep shred blessing

or redo

oh right i should show my stats sometime

oh god my staff is doodoo

welp

my highest damage percentage staff is 39.

[plush glacier]

are you level 30?

[tardy trellis]

level 1

16

pfft

ive been grinding ogryn

[plush glacier]

oh then I wouldn't compare with what people are posting

[tardy trellis]

what perks or blessing should i even aim for

[plush glacier]

depends on the staff, but it's not worth worrying over until you're 30

[spice veldt]

on all staffs, warp flurry is generally quite good

[formal ridge]

besides trashing it what can I do with this...

[spice veldt]

the second good blessing varies from staff to staff

huh I usually see images get whitened out from HDR but not ones that get darkened from whatever

[late yew]

wtf is this color

[formal ridge]

maybe geforce filter

im colorblind

[spice veldt]

ah

[tardy trellis]

just want some clarity if these are good for a level 16.

oh god

[spice veldt]

on almost all melee weapons, mobility is considered a dump stat
On the Purgatus, you want Burn and Cloud Radius to be as high as possible

[safe crystal]

Purg is fine no matter the level you're playing at.

[tardy trellis]

7 people typing

[formal ridge]

I have slaughter IV and soulblaze IV

[plush glacier]

it's hard to remember what is good for a 16 for most of us

just try out different staves and see what you like

that should be your priority while leveling

[tardy trellis]

luv me rippa

would die for me rippa