psyker-class

[crude cape]

im lvl 95 on my psyker so needed something different

[shadow wigeon]

A good surge psyker shouldn't be competitive with a good dps, though. You should make it easy for DPS to melt all the big threats, which means they can spend more time doing damage. When there are no threats, you can melee mobs, but shouldn't be your priority.

Difficulty matters, of course. Surge does not have much to do on low intensity, or even normal at times.

[fresh steeple]

you misunderstand me, I think

by competitive, I mean "within a hundred thousand damage of the next lowest guy"

when I look at scoreboards and I see Surge Psykers in Damnation maps doing literally one third of the damage of the next lowest person, with 95+% of their damage coming from the staff

[spice veldt]

you can always be competitive if you just use melee liberally

[fresh steeple]

and I watch them, in game, spamming Surge on horde poxwalkers

they're bad. 100% bad.

[spice veldt]

it's not like every single situation in the game warrants the surge staff

[shadow wigeon]

I would hope that the top dps has at least 2x my damage. When I play surge an I'm close to someone in damage I am concerned.

[fresh steeple]

they're playing poorly and making the run worse, and functionally being carried

[past bear]

Is this worth keeping?

[fresh steeple]

if I see them using Surge specifically on disablers and elite packs or gunner squads, and focusing on Illisi swings when there are large packs of melee mobs, then they're a-okay in my book

[shadow wigeon]

It's ok. Might say B grade. I wouldn't pay milkbucks for that though

[spice veldt]

the perks are bad and the stat distribution leaves a bit to be desired
it's fine

[past bear]

Emprah gifted it to me

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah worth keeping. Swap Terrifying Barrage for Nexus if you have it, and it's a decent B grade staff.

[fresh steeple]

^ Fine is what I'd say too

[past bear]

Thanks

[fresh steeple]

Infested Enemies is a joke stat on Surge, so keeping +1 Stam is unironically better, and that's feelsbadman. But Flurry level 3 is fine, and the stat spread is fine too, but for the fact that it's a sub-350 weapon and therefore is missing 30% stats

[past bear]

I really only do void staff on psyker and don't have much else in terms of other stuff. But starting to branch out

[shadow wigeon]

I would swap +infest for +maniac, if you want to use it on damnation.

If you put Nexus on there, it will randomly crunch elites more often.

Becuase blocking uses Stamina ordinarily, when you use KD to peril block, the math (partly) is based on how much the block would have cost in stamina, effectively.

[long wharf]

Flak instead of maniac

[ornate hamlet]

What should my curios main stat be?

[spice veldt]

the usual recommendation is health

if you don't run kinetic deflection, a +stam curio is preferable

[ornate hamlet]

I do run that.

[shadow wigeon]

4 stack you 2-shot a scab rager, and 1 shot a scab gunner, adding +flak doesn't change the bps.
Maniac covers dreg ragers and most of the disablers.
Flak damage on surge is already very high.

[spice veldt]

I personally like to stack toughness so that I can be a bit more aggressive into ranged enemies, and I run kinetic shield to get even more mileage out of it

if you can trust yourself to not get dinked by snipers, flamers, or poxbursters too much; and you don't take too many melee hits, then I'd say that toughness is going to be better

[shadow wigeon]

If you're new to damnation, toughness requires more experience to leverage, running +health is safer.
But you have many ways to manage toughness, so it's something you can work with.

[ornate hamlet]

I haven't done damnation yet, so I'll stick to health for now lol.

[shadow wigeon]

No one will ever be upset when they see you packing lots of health.
It's also much better for grimoires.

[ornate hamlet]

Speaking of grims, is it worth having the resist for that?

[near wyvern]

Only 1 or 2 IMO

[shadow wigeon]

It's definitely noticeable if you run it, but just having lots of health is a good hedge against grims.

[ornate hamlet]

Fair enough.

[near wyvern]

Even with no health curios you are fine with 1 or 2 having grim resist

If you go with triple health I wouldn't take any grim resist

[shadow wigeon]

I don't care to hassle with running them but they really do take the bite out of grims....

[orchid shadow]

Is there anyway to know who's talking on a mic? Or some sort of indicator?

[spice veldt]

at least on higher difficulties, teams don't pick up grims enough for it to be worth it anyways

there's a voice indicator to the left of that teammate's panel

presumably, you moved their panel too far to the left with customHUD and it's outside of your view

[ornate hamlet]

I never do triple. Right now I have 2 health and 1 toughness.

[orchid shadow]

Oh, hmm.. never noticed. Not much talking going on 90% of my games.

[spice veldt]

yeah it's pretty rare for people to talk, and even then it's either sometimes too quiet or for minor remarks

[ornate hamlet]

Or the guy screaming because he thought the jump was close enough to make it.

[near wyvern]

Yes, there is a small speaker icon that appears on the left side of the portrait frame

[paper gate]

yo, quick question

for the middle toughness perk, what counts as a "warp attack"

is that just staff stuff, or does it also count a charged up force sword

[near wyvern]

Listed in the Psyker Atheneum, link in pinned messages

[paper gate]

cool, thanks

so its only staff stuff, hm

what do you guys recommend for the toughness perk

[paper gate]

im stupid lmao

[spice veldt]

I like quietude because it's consistent

[paper gate]

i read that as force staff for some reason

even though i know FS is force sword

[spice veldt]

do u mean fatshark

[paper gate]

also true

[spice veldt]

I find the toughness that I regen from quietude to be good enough for most purposes

and even if I lack the insane burst toughness that Warp Absorption offers, being able to regenerate any amount of toughness at any moment allows you to proc the ranged damage reduction on toughness break reliably

[paper gate]

there's something i'm not seeing mentioned on the steam guide, regarding quietude

[forest coral]

ever since they improved passive quelling

[paper gate]

it says peril quelled, does quelling mean specifically you getting rid of it, or is it also a passive thing

[spice veldt]

both active and passive quelling

[forest coral]

quietitude just seems to outdo everything else

[spice veldt]

and from Battle Meditation (Iconic) and Transfer Peril (blessing) as well

[paper gate]

what about the ult, since that quells 50% or so

[spice veldt]

that too ye

[forest coral]

yup

[paper gate]

damn

[spice veldt]

is very nice

[paper gate]

that just seems very strong then lmao

gotcha, thanks

i've been trying to get into higher tier stuff with psyker since i've gotten comfortable on damnation with the zealot, and i just wind up getting my ass beat more often than not

[forest coral]

Its very stupid with the illisi because u can easily stack high peril and let the passive or active quell regen the toughness at your leisure

[paper gate]

illisi my beloved

vanguard heavy attacks are so nice on the force sword lmao

[spice veldt]

getting into the habit of spamming dodges with force swords will help quite a lot

I straight up dodge enemies that I didn't even know were there until the woosh sound plays

[paper gate]

that whoosh sound is stuck in my head from my futile attempts of that one veteran penance

no melee damage or w/e

[spice veldt]

I don't have too much of a strong reaction since I usually dodge attacks behind me through the power of infinite dodges

and it kinda allows you to be very careless with dodges on your staff/BB as well

[forest coral]

It was easy to get no elite melee damage on psyker

[spice veldt]

since you can just swap back to melee to dodge if you ran out of dodges

[forest coral]

on veteran there is always that one unit ready to slap your ass for some toughness and 1 hp

[paper gate]

honestly, what's fucked me up the most regarding the dodge system in darktide is something i didnt even realize until recently

which is that dodging stops stamina regen

[forest coral]

unless you'r eusing a force sword

then that shits free

[paper gate]

[spice veldt]

yeah quite annoying for it to stop

I run stam regen just to get a bit more stamina during the times that it's regenerating

it's also one of the reasons why I stopped playing vet lol

[paper gate]

i mean, i get why, ironbreaker bardin with a shield was damn near unkillable if the player could dodge and push effectively

[forest coral]

yeh, vets shitty stam regen makes them one of the more awkward classes to save team during bad situation

its odd with them

one hand, you usually dont go into a bad clutch situation due to straight up firepower dealing with most things in game

on other hand...

[paper gate]

that makes sense why i had so much trouble with veteran in melee after almost exclusively maining zealot for a while

[forest coral]

when things are rough, there's only so much you can do

[spice veldt]

bulwarks being very annoying since I didn't run bolter/plasma

[forest coral]

ye

[spice veldt]

brain burst being the penultimate reason for swapping to psyker

since I never ever wanted to be in a situation where the team got squished by two bulwarks ever again

[paper gate]

hehe head go pop

[forest coral]

I prefer bolter and plasma but like it's when you are being attacked by weird staggering of hordes

that are just slightly off rhythm between powersword swings

i unno, hard to explain

[paper gate]

the plasma buff recently was really nice

being able to pen bulwark shields saves the weapon, along with venting draining toughness and not health

[forest coral]

draining toughnes was huge

[paper gate]

but yeah, vet wasnt my thing tbh, same with ogryn

[kind jay]

good plasma vets slap

[paper gate]

zealot and psyker are pretty much what i play now

[forest coral]

like the beautiful thing with plasma wall banging

and ability to one- two tap most things with uncharged lmb in volley

made it such a safe gun for sniper purge missions or just when game decided to throw armored elites at you

i still think bolter is better tho

[south zephyr]

Alright Pals Siblings, how does one efficiently use Trauma staff?

[spice veldt]

I personally have a melee-focused playstyle with Illisi + Trauma

Trauma is reserved for elite patrols, mixed hordes, and ranged enemies

[south zephyr]

Melk had t4 brittle, so I picked it up, thought I'd work on trauma since void falls off and purge blinds me

[spice veldt]

Magistrati, Chasm Logistratum (ammo raid), and Commsplex are particularly good maps for the trauma staff because they're closed quarters and/or have a bunch of corridors

[restive slate]

It might be me but I've always thought Void was boring

[south zephyr]

BiS is brittleness and flurry, with inf/flak, right?

[spice veldt]

I like +unarmoured as one of the perks for one-shotting dreg bruisers (450 hp) more reliably since i don't particularly manage my warp charges and I treat damage as my dump stat

[restive slate]

I heard some run Soulblaze and Crit

[spice veldt]

brittleness and flurry seems to be what most people run

I like to replace one of those blessings with Focused Channeling so that I can avoid getting shot out of a sprint while RMBing

[south zephyr]

makes sense, at least on paper

[spice veldt]

trauma is pretty good initiating fights against ranged enemies because of how clumped up they tend to be, so it's a good idea to be as forward as you can be https://streamable.com/s3ltw4

here's another example where I start the engagement once again (this time with my team). https://streamable.com/onwpbg

[shadow wigeon]

I wouldn’t recommend it as your first trauma because it is a bit of a meme, but if you lean into SB it can do damage.

[south zephyr]

what you look at in the sky there?

trauma aiming is so janky

[obtuse moth]

its possible and i like it but i wouldnt recommend as a first build

[south zephyr]

guessing this is a meme?

[spice veldt]

it's a beautiful sky

bloodthirsty is really only ever decent on the illisi

[south zephyr]

I do be having an Illisi tho

prob not worth it over current blessings though, right?

[spice veldt]

here's a quick numerical comparison between unstable and bloodthirsty

I personally prefer unstable power yeah

[obtuse moth]

you can play w ith it and see if you like it, its a diff playstyle

[kind jay]

yeah swap to it for a few games and try it. then swap back to unstable

[fierce sinew]

bloodthirsty in its current form is pretty winmore

[south zephyr]

so you hit with special, then hit with another special, and as long as you keep the chain specials going, they all crit?

[spice veldt]

yup

[kind jay]

its very strong in mixed hordes

[south zephyr]

@spice veldt serviceable if I swap out nexus for brittle and elites for...?

[obtuse moth]

that one looks fine

[spice veldt]

I like my +unarmoured depending on how good you are at keeping your warp charges up

and your staff has a bit more damage than mines

[obtuse moth]

if not you can go flak

[south zephyr]

replace elites or maniac though?

[spice veldt]

i'm tempted to replace +maniac

since it's really only going to be dreg ragers that you're expecting to deal decent damage with respect to maniac enemies

[obtuse moth]

it works on all specials

that are maniacs

[spice veldt]

I don't think +8% will do much, but it'll be more general since melee elites are the ones you're trauma blasting the majority of the time

[obtuse moth]

i like maniacs for hishock personally

[spice veldt]

I don't really blast trappers or flamers all that much

flamers get stunned by my bolt and then whacked by melee

trappers are just BBed or whacked to death

[obtuse moth]

its for killing for groups of specials and elites all at once, or at least whittling them down while theyre stagger locked

esp if you get them around a choke or corner

[spice veldt]

I'd rather melee since that guarantees the kill especially against doggies

flamers are trivially killed once you're in melee range

[obtuse moth]

theyre not in range for that

theyre in the back of mixed hordes firing

[spice veldt]

just knock em down to the ground and then work your way to them and then whack them

I prefer to have slaughterer stacks up when a horde is around anyways so I'm swapping to melee regardless

[obtuse moth]

i prefer not letting them get flames or bombs or nets off

esp nets

[spice veldt]

trappers just get brainbursted or a quick blast underneath

I also don't manage my dodges, so I prefer not to have my trauma out against trappers

especially since I'm paranoid of getting trapped from behind and front since i seem to have issues telling when two trappers are coming from behind and in front of me

and slaughterer just making your pushes knock groaners/poxwalkers down anyways so that you can make your way to flamers most of the time or have the space to kite

[south zephyr]

@obtuse moth @spice veldt decided to stick with maniac

now I just need a good feat build for it, any suggestions as to what I should try out?

[spice veldt]

I like quietude, warp unleashed, and kinetic barrage with it

trauma generates a lot of peril to make effective use of quietude, and warp unleashed is there mostly for my melee and BB

though that's more of a melee build than a trauma build

you prob want inner tranquility if you want to get a bunch of casts off, esp with warp flurry

[south zephyr]

something like this then?

[spice veldt]

seems fine to me, though someone who does run an inner tranq build may want to comment since I basically stick to only one build

[south zephyr]

k, in regards to targeting, gonna assume you want to kill stuff while controlling/knocking the horde away

and not towards you

[spice veldt]

for Groaner's/poxwalkers yeah

for melee elites and specials, you do want to knock them into your team

though at that point you're going to knock some trash into your team, though they'll prob be more aware

I'd rather not encourage the use of trauma for pure hordes but you are free to do whatever

something to be especially careful about is having enemies knocked into you or your teammates

causing you to get stuck inside them or surrounded; thus being unable to move or dodge

beyond that, you're going to be pretty safe in melee

[obtuse moth]

yeah that works, or ab or ab and wildfire ( illisi with slaughterer and unstable power to buff your soulblaze) depending on your setup. aim the staff far to the back of the horde unless theres leaks then do it at your feet. you can slide charge advance with staff really well and make space with your team. if youre ever in trouble you can infinitely do instant casts on your feet followed by the either the minimum amount of quelling needed or you can slowly quell all the way down (even to 0% if needed) and then get back into rhythm

id recommend inner tranq for all of those if you prefer using the staff

[olive ember]

Is arcotash giving his opinion on dogs being 2 BB’s to kill

I saw melee dogs and it triggered me

[austere estuary]

Inner tranq w/ 6 charges and flurry 4 is huge value

Esp w barrage

One little thing is it’s even better value to keep holding your charge and barrage during a hold at 100 then cast

Keep your stacks and also delete additional peril above 100

[obtuse moth]

yeah, just remember to use it first at 50% so that you get it back faster

then do the 100% on the next one

[austere estuary]

If you have a big enough horde sometimes it gets really silly too, you just keep casting forever

Is slightly more important that you make sure to charge as much as possible though without the 10-25% more damage

[kind jay]

[olive ember]

Get another one kekw

[kind jay]

just rename it to Ice Staff at this point

i want to find one with like 0% burn

[lilac tapir]

Hey guys, can someone remind me what were the default perks and blessings for Laspistol? This is available from Melk today.

I'm thinking Unyielding --> Flak and Speedload --> Ghost 4 (or was it Reassuringly Accurate 4?)

[ornate hamlet]

I use uhhhhh

Ghost and dumdum, and crit and maniac

[lilac tapir]

thanks, I thought crit is only valuable if you run Reassuringly Accurate?

[kind jay]

try both see what feels better

[upper ridge]

Is unstable power on ilisi any good?

[ember hornet]

crit chance/flak is what zealot channel says

[ember hornet]

I like it, let's you hit a lot of 1 shot breakpoints if you are abusing that and sit at high peril all the time, there's a couple other options too

[upper ridge]

I have deflector/slaughterer on my ilisi

So I can change deflector to unstable

[ember hornet]

if you wanna run deflector then that's the way to do it

nah slaughterer is better

[upper ridge]

Slaughterer is locked

[ember hornet]

oh oops misread

[upper ridge]

Ah, I'll just buy it cuz I have melkbucks

[ember hornet]

I like memeing with a max power illisi, it's pretty fun, can one shot most if not all human size things once you get going

and depending on perks can 1 shot more or less stuff

[upper ridge]

It kinda does already

[ember hornet]

it does but you get some stupid ones

like you can one shot mutants and bulwarks

start killing more than 1 elite in a single swing

technically you can 1 shot a reaper at max stacks with unyielding and elite damage perks

for me it's kinda comfy to always have %20% power boost

[upper ridge]

Also, should I do soulblaze on purgatus?

[ember hornet]

but performs super well without unstable, so kind of preference

[upper ridge]

Also, unrelated

[ember hornet]

I don't know what people run on purge, I assume warp nexus and flurry but idk, probably in pins

[upper ridge]

I have this, and warp nexus 4

Which one should I scrap

[cyan notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/958078780834971688.gif?size=160&quality=lossless

[ember hornet]

oh void

not purge

[upper ridge]

Nax, purge is 3rd setup

[ember hornet]

sustained fire is pretty bad

[upper ridge]

I know, yeah

[ember hornet]

transfer peril + flurry for void

[upper ridge]

For now I'll go with flurry+nexus

Don't have transfer peril

[ember hornet]

I tried a crit soulblaze void at one point, was rather underwhelming sadly

[upper ridge]

My purgatus is this

[ember hornet]

[summer prairie]

winkey-shift-s, please

[ember hornet]

I have a tip for screenshots, shift + windows key + S, draw rectangle, paste into discord

[karmic delta]

Xd

[upper ridge]

Can't be bothered 😂

[karmic delta]

Its become a meme for people to take a photo with their phones

[upper ridge]

Yep

[karmic delta]

Instead of a normal sc

[ember hornet]

it's way faster than using a phone lol

I think that purge just wants warp nexus

[upper ridge]

Instead of terrifying

I see

[ember hornet]

yeah

[summer prairie]

barrage does nothing

[ember hornet]

terrifying barrage is a never take blessing yeah

[upper ridge]

Nexus for purg and for void is one blessing or 2 diff?

[ember hornet]

all different

[upper ridge]

Ah, I have nexus 4 for purg

Neat

[ember hornet]

[upper ridge]

purg now

decent i guess

[ember hornet]

I think it's pretty close to perfect, has good burn and cloud radius

[stone prawn]

2 mission completed still 0

[ember hornet]

elites is probably the only thing, but elites isn't dead

[upper ridge]

i wish i had such good weps on my main vet

now i have close to perfect setups for ogryn and psyker

but middle of the road crap for vet

[ember hornet]

if only melkcoin was shared

[upper ridge]

Uhuh

like, this is ogryn setup

[ember hornet]

that cleaver is gross

[upper ridge]

i know

its perfection

[cyan notch]

pretty ez to get good staffs

theres like only 5 blessings

[upper ridge]

i dont even need melkbucks for ogryn

what do i buy with em

maybe ill build grognum for funzies

[ember hornet]

I see no mention of a zealot alt, what is this heresy

[upper ridge]

I have one

Can't get good flamer or bolter for it

Using decent tacaxe and mediocre kantarel 9 shotgun

[ember hornet]

T4 pinning bolter is incredible

[upper ridge]

Have one on vet

[ember hornet]

I finally got one after the last patch when they made RNG better

[upper ridge]

But I like XII much more than bolter for vet

Better for trash shooter cleaning

Esp if you're 1 vet in the team

If more I switch according to team needs

If I go damnation++ with ogryn for example - I just can't switch that perfection

Also I have thammer 2 with trust 3, works fine, still like tacaxe better

[ember hornet]

I only play hammer

[upper ridge]

Built hammer specifically for "kill monstrosity in 5 sec" penance

[ember hornet]

and psyker if I'm fucking around

[upper ridge]

Idk, I'm bad on hammer, can't find the rhythm on it

Yet, I guess

[ember hornet]

hammer is one of the weapons that takes practice

and the right rolls and blessings

[upper ridge]

Yeah, I don't feel comfortable with it
Both tac and caxe are better for me

The only good thing is when 8 crushers fuck around, and they find out the buisness end of the hammer

Or bonking mutants running by

They do funny physics

[kind jay]

wheres my force hammer skinnyfish

[near wyvern]

mmh, would prefer a swap for mobi and warp resist but not too bad a base

exorcist into slaughterer 4 and unarmoured into flak and this thing should be cutting through

[kind jay]

that's a sexy roll

[near wyvern]

happened to get some melee kill contracts so defnitely giving it a spin tomorrow

[kind jay]

im a special spammer so i enjoy my high resist illy

[upper ridge]

I have a goal now
Accomulate the plasteel cap on classes where I have bis setups

Or just flex big plasteel numbers

[kind jay]

there's a plasteel cap?

every time i hit 5 digits it goes straight to hadron

[proud mantle]

what do you guys think about the illisi force sword compared to the other two?

[kind jay]

illisi and deimos are meta. obscurus is... ok

i personally would rate illisi higher than deimos but they're both busted

[proud mantle]

what about the special power up? you think illisi is better even from that point of view?

[kind jay]

yes actually

deimos special has niche uses because h2 poke is better

[nimble burrow]

illisi can stack full peril all the time, gives it an edge in damage and toughness regen and blessings

[kind jay]

while illisi special can be chained to devastating effect

[full bane]

Mornin Spark’Eads

How’re y’all doing?

[wet belfry]

The root of (x/b) can also be defined as x^0.5/b^0.5

[prisma copper]

Ogryn spy

[full bane]

Ogryn can be Spark’Ead too

[prisma copper]

https://tenor.com/view/what-surprised-gif-25739412

[prisma copper]

After gun lugger we gonna get a Psyker Ogryn?

[full bane]

Doubt it

I may main Ogryn but I find Spark’Ead a lot of fun as well

[prisma copper]

“I pop head faster with hands than sparkly magic”

[full bane]

Correct

[prisma copper]

Or every time you do a brain burst he yells “pop”

[full bane]

Spark’Ead is probably ranked as my 3rd favorite class, behind Ogryn and Vet with Shouty at the bottom

[long wharf]

what a pointless patch

[karmic delta]

Here we go...

[sterile vale]

According to catfish that was one of the top sources of the recent crashing issues, hardly pointless to fix crashes.

[long wharf]

is that so? well okay then

[spice veldt]

just 360 no scope doggies with your melee

[molten burrow]

I think the dogs are too buggy to buff imho we probably just need a 6th and 7th difficulty

[near wyvern]

For me it's the other way. Dakka and kickback are my favourite ogryn guns. I wish kickback had like double the ammo capacity.

[full bane]

Need double barrel kickback

[ornate hamlet]

Roadhog roleplay

[inland sand]

The Kickback is a great time

in fact all of the Ogryn's guns are a great time

[lunar hollow]

double-barrel kickback reminds me of the force of nature from tf2

[neat sand]

No what they need to do is let the ogryn rip off the Avenger Gatling Cannon from the Valkyrie after they drop us off :p lol

[long wharf]

imagine watching a cutscene where your ogryn literally rips off the cannon from the ship as it takes off... and then you start playing and can't kill a single mob with a single melee strike

[grizzled jasper]

Unstoppable force of nature ogryn vs one net boi

[restive slate]

Netter's a she

[orchid shadow]

This wasn't a good sight to spawn into..

[long wharf]

you got this

https://tenor.com/view/go-for-it-you-can-do-it-encourage-do-it-gif-14006408

[grizzled jasper]

Ez

[near gale]

So, uh... do I keep the 15% maniac or 20% unyielding damage on the voidstrike?

and what do I replace it with?

[long wharf]

you curse Hadron for bricking your staff

and strip Warp Flurry and try again

[near gale]

About that...

I kind of... bought it from Melk. >.>

[gaunt stone]

Weird melk purchase but you do you

Personally I would replace unyielding

[near gale]

Well I wanted to learn the Voidstrike staff, I had no good voidstrike and the only blessing I had in my pool for it was the t2 Transfer Peril

I've been neglecting my Psyker for a while

and it was less than half of last week's Melk bucks

For the Voidstrike do I want to mostly do fully charged shots?

I know it's good for hordes in a hallway

[gaunt stone]

If you don't have the blessing that doubles your shots. You would make adjustments to the charge based off of the mobs. Alot of people usually charge around half way.

[near wyvern]

Plogryn is ez solo, it's the ads that kill you

[near gale]

k

[hardy kettle]

Goated

If only mobility and finesse was swapped

I would nut

[unreal harness]

"My team keeps dying/I might be schizo" build

[hardy kettle]

lol

I'd go for shredder tho

that's a ncie mg12 although

[unreal harness]

What it lacks in "rampage" it makes up for in "Okay the shooters are dead"

[hardy kettle]

fair enough

[orchid shadow]

Speaking of the adds. 😛 It might have been a lost cause even if I didn't get booped.

[full bane]

Spark’Ead Specific weapons ranked based on how much fun I have when using them

[grizzled jasper]

Just do a pull up ez

[kind jay]

surge in B dont let derpy see that

OR DO

[steel flame]

Derpy can come over here and fight to the death for all I care. LET HIM COME

[twilit badger]

Where is your autoguns

That should be put into F tier

[steel flame]

Psyker specific weapons

[full bane]

I don’t give a shit what’s meta, Trauma for life

I will die on this hill

[rustic tiger]

Greetings, fellow masters of the warp! Quick question: Is warp nexus good on the purgatus staff?

[ionic frost]

Yes

that + warp flurry is BiS imho

[ionic frost]

My New favorite is Trauma with +5% crit chance, Warp Nexus, and Blazing Spirit =)

[spice oar]

All the dueling swords?? Wouldnt say that to a commissar

[crude cape]

lol, how we supposed to know which staff is which. I frankly since skins have 0 clue what they are supposed to look like each

[spice veldt]

God bless the illisi

[full bane]

Trauma is in S, purg is in A, the last 2 are in B

[hollow current]

holy shit im going to throw a fit. why does it feel like warp resistance only dumps 1% of the time on the force sword.

[crude cape]

its a 'fun' ranking, not power? makes sense

purg is fun, but its a bit mindless sometimes so i could see trauma having to aim and have a higher skill cap being more fun

[full bane]

My vet gun tier list

Love the Laspistol

[spice oar]

This is true

[prisma copper]

I wish the revolver was more viable

[full bane]

Same

It needs more damage to be worthwhile

[prisma copper]

More damage and the blessings need altering

[fathom adder]

Bolter and Power Sword?

[strong thicket]

Yo I'm getting into leveling my psyker. What blessing am I looking for on trauma?

[spice veldt]

I don't recommend trauma at lower ratings because it has rather hard stat scaling, but warp flurry + rending shockwave is the usual recommendation

[strong thicket]

I'm already lvl 25 so I'm getting some info for later on and maybe fishing something good out of melk

Thanks

[hidden crystal]

For my money, I'd rather that Ammo and Stability were the other way around, but that's not bad.

[unreal harness]

Same, I never run out of ammo, and I feel that stab hit but gd... so many 80s

[crude cape]

if they're running pinning fire shredder pistol, its pretty OP right now, people expecting a nerf, it trivializes the game on a vet lol

[hidden crystal]

I'm not at my gaming machine right now, but I've got one I think is something like 78% damage, 59% Ammo, and the others either 79% or 80%.

T4 Flak damage, T3 Reload Speed, T3 Between the Eyes and T3 Ghost.

While that's a fair few T3s, it's a combination I'm pretty happy with.

[lilac tapir]

interesting, playing a random game and the group just found 2 scriptures in the same location

location as in area

I thought there was a rule 1 script per "area"

[crude cape]

O.o same

[strong thicket]

It was never the case since beta

[lilac tapir]

maybe the hotflix broke something

[ionic frost]

some areas they are very close together

[hidden crystal]

It's actually quite frustrating having better guns for my psyker than my sharpshooter.

[ionic frost]

can be

[fathom adder]

Makes sense too

[lilac tapir]

true, but I always thought the "areas" need to be separated by the "point of no return" such as a ramp where you jump down and cannot get back up or one of those double door seals where the one behind you needs to close for the one in front to open

here it was not the case, we literally found 2 scripts in the same game area

[ionic frost]

yep

[lilac tapir]

I do hope that's a bug and not a new feature that's supposed to make us check all the possible script locations in all the areas

[ionic frost]

no it's just 2 of 16 random possibilities lining u

up

[lilac tapir]

I do hope so 🙂

[ionic frost]

it's not common, but it does happen =)

check every spawn

[lilac tapir]

straight out of Paris fashion week, one of those "futuristic" ideas 😉

imagine if FS had as much money as Blizzard - they would surely introduce their own fashion models just like Blizz did for D4 haha

[lilac tapir]

so far it was the first time it lined up for me like that, but then again I do remember runs where my group seemingly "missed" a scripture after collecting 2/3 throughout the run but we were sure we didn't miss any of the spots - but we didn't check the remaining spots once we collected a script in a given area

so maybe I did encounter this before, just didn't realize

I just wish Scripts were in set locations for each map like Tomes in V2... it's already bad enough we have to check every corner for crafting mats...

Book Finder and Found Ya are very useful mods tbh, really helps with cleaning the map and maxing out crafting mats on most runs.

[short vessel]

Is the duelling sword and good, and should I boy this one?

[near wyvern]

Is it good? Yes. Is it better than Demios? No. Should you spend milk bucks on that? No.

Only spend milk coins if you get a T4 blessing that you need. The regular shop will have plenty of 370+ weapons that you can roll with crafting materials and if you have extra dockets you can dump them on the lottery machine for attempts to get 350+ versions of your weapon of interest.

[short vessel]

Thanks for the reply!

[short vessel]

Btw why demios? Isn't that the stabby force sword?

[unreal harness]

Peep L1 dmg and H2 dmg

[near wyvern]

Yes, it's just a better duelling sword.

It has access to Slaughterer which will make the light spam cleave more than the duelling swords.

The light heavy combo nukes like a truck and works as a decent horde clear even without Slaugherer if you can funnel the enemies a bit.

With Unstable power and +maniac you can reliably one shot mutants with the 2nd heavy on head with some peril.

It has access to Deflector which can get you away with crazy stupid positioning.

It has fast and long infinite dodges so you can dodge (while blocking) and move faster than sprinting. Given how Psykers take extra toughness damage while sprinting, it has better and safer mobility than a duelling sword. Also, if you can go around in circles you can outrun a Daemonhost by spamming the dodges.

@short vessel if you have 3 minutes here is why

https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10

[short vessel]

Holy heck

I will get one of those asap

[hollow current]

I've been running an uncanny 4 and slaughterer 4 deimos and it's been feeling pretty sweet.

[shadow wigeon]

A good vet can way out damage anything else, but they are the most glass cannon. Mega toughness regen keeps them safe in moderate problems, but when things are really bad they can get wrecked if they try to stand and bang.

Current difficulty is manageable enough that a good vet can get some pretty silly damage numbers as long as the threats come in a reasonable flow.

[hollow current]

Their insane toughness regen feats and resistance to range damage makes vets fairly tanky. But yeah they're squishy like psykers in melee

[shadow wigeon]

Psykers are less squishy in the sense that they have better defense - peril blocking, unlimited dodge, great horde AND elite clear, as long as you have room.

[spice veldt]

psykers are prob less easily caught out

veterans do have a higher toughness pool and 7.5% toughness regen on melee kill instead of the standard 5%

so 3x more flat toughness on melee kills by default

[hollow current]

slower stam regen is probably what hurts vet melee the most.

[spice veldt]

yeah it's quite painful

still doable but you have to actually think about dodging and pushing

[shadow wigeon]

And the power sword has limitations, compared to Illisi

[spice veldt]

being noticeably slower and having finite dodges

though power cycler exists on power swords to make up for it

[hollow current]

This is a fun deimos build. I just wish carapace was flak. and warp res swapped numbers with mobility

[shadow wigeon]

Great vets know how to stay ahead of impending doom, but a lot of average vets don't know how squishy they are because theyre so used to rolling over most games.

Well, big contrast there. Max CC to max dps.. and shredder is over tuned at the moment.

[hollow current]

I haven't played vet since the power sword was unnerfed and that was without power cycler. kinda think they might have nerfed it a bit too much. 4-5 swings with power cyc seems fine imo considering vet has absolutely ass stam regen and low dodge distance + count.

[steel flame]

Does that mean vets have to sit down to bang? Dam I didn't realize they had such a disability

[graceful eagle]

shredder itself is fine, Blaze Away+Pinning Fire whats make it busted

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah they have to sit down to catch their breath

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah for sure, my bad, just using it as shorthand. It's mostly Pinning Fire, and even Blaze procs on it so quickly compared other, say, stubber

[graceful eagle]

we can get bunch of blessings nerfs with next update

[steel flame]

Pinning fire is the most egregious. It ramps up to full immediately making a practical permanent damage buff to the shredder

It's stagger power is stupid high

[graceful eagle]

i forgot when i played with staff last time since i got perfect rolled shredder

[steel flame]

I tend to bounce back and forth between my god roll brittle trauma staff, my fire staff and my shredder

Brings a tear to me eye

4 points from perfection

[hollow current]

I've gone back to flak and unarmored on my Trauma.

[steel flame]

If I could unlock unyielding id probably go to maniac

Alas

[hollow current]

I just use it to disrupt/stumble the special maniacs. I just like the slightly shorter charges when killing spread out shooters. Was using infested/unarmored for a while but infested isn't really necessary once I get two warp charges.

[steel flame]

Unyielding is nice along with brittleness 8 cause it really chunks ogryns

[near wyvern]

I use Bromentum rashad on my vet, works wonders as it can deal with anything and has good dodges.

[shadow wigeon]

With busted thrust or no?

It is stupid fun with thrust right now, I haven’t tried without.

[hollow current]

ye rending is a sweet blessing for team play. flak/unarmored covers a lot of the bases for how I like to play the staff. basically delete standard chaff units and throw brittleness on elites for teammates and stumble them till they die.

[shadow wigeon]

I really should give trauma a go, i have this thing sitting around

What feats do people prefer for Trauma? Tranquil or do you need WU to clear things?

[hollow current]

damn that's bis imo

[spice veldt]

damage is my dump stat for the trauma

I build around my melee, so I just pick WU

[hollow current]

i don't mind warp res dumping for quell speed.

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah i went on a tear building max staffs but never used trauma

If I don't need WU I'll try tranquil since I am used to that with surge

[hollow current]

my tauma build is 221113 I think.

can't check bc ERROR 3001

GREAT SERVICE, FAT SHARK.

[shadow wigeon]

Deimos I assume

[hollow current]

play with it in the psykanium a lil with and without warp charges so you can learn what it takes to kill certain units.

[spice veldt]

one with good stat distributions ideally

[vagrant hollow]

guys which perk reroll? i guess infested for flak or unarmored right?

[hollow current]

depending on the weapon green or blue can be good too if it's in the shop and a god roll.

[spice veldt]

though farming high rating items for blessings is another strat

[south zephyr]

keep infested

change carapace to flak or UA

[spice veldt]

t4 blessings seem to be pretty common though

[shadow wigeon]

Yes, basically, but there are some tricks with certain weapon, such as purg and surge, for getting blessings.

Ideally don't roll anything below 360 if you can help it. (although that's just a general rule)

Check Melk for T4's regularly too

It's worth knowing what you are lookin for so you don't run out of milkbucks at the wrong time

[vagrant hollow]

you dont know crafting is currently bugged and it always give you tier 3 and 4 blessing?

[spice veldt]

it would be interesting if it's bugged

there was a period of time where the armoury gave a bunch of t4 blessings in the past, but that was quickly fixed

[hollow current]

also tell me how much damage this staff left click does vs the sniper's head with 6 warp stacks. My (almost) indentical staff does 401 with 20% unarmored and 79% damage.

[vagrant hollow]

i can assure you i crafted many weps and got always T3/4

[spice veldt]

I'm not doubting the occurrence

I'm doubting its status as a "bug"

is it a typical fatshark undocumented change or a typical fatshark bug?

[vagrant hollow]

i guess fatshark bug

[spice veldt]

sometimes

[south zephyr]

could go either way, tbh I think it's them collecting data, and depending on how they feel about said data, they will either say it was a bug and "fix" it, or keep it as is

[spice veldt]

it's worth checking

[hollow current]

It's only worth using if you have load of dockets and want the experience of gambling.

[shadow wigeon]

420 WS @ 6 stacks

[spice veldt]

oh brunt's

[shadow wigeon]

Yes but it is very expensive.

[spice veldt]

yeah you get more dockets than you can really spend at the hourly shop

[shadow wigeon]

or CAN be anyway

[spice veldt]

so unless you want to buy the docket cosmetics, that's where your spare dockets are going

[shadow wigeon]

When you are starting out, I would always buy any grey or green in the shop that looks viable.

When you know exactly what you want, and you have banked... 300-400K, you can safely gamble at Brunt's for max gear.

[hollow current]

neat, appreciate it. You ought to be able to left click dregs on the head at 5 warp stacks. Can probably do it against the guardsmen at 0 or 1. stalkers probably around 3-4

[south zephyr]

do you have melk coins to burn?

[hollow current]

misc info but i occasionally find it useful on stragglers

[shadow wigeon]

Staffs do NOT share blessings with eachother - so i you et a T4, it's only for that staff type.

[south zephyr]

the only thing Melk is good for is rng god rolls and t4 blessings, so if you want t4 WN, might as well go for it

[steel flame]

I use quietude, WU, Communion, kinetic deflector, kinetic flayer, quicken

[south zephyr]

iirc, crit is really good on purge

[shadow wigeon]

It isn't necessary, but it is popular

[spice veldt]

the DoT itself doesn't crit, but crits apply two soulblaze stacks instead of one

[south zephyr]

stuck in purgatory

[shadow wigeon]

Purg: Flurry + Nexus / Focused
Surge: Flurry + Nexus
Trauma: Flurry + Rending / Focused, or meemstoff Nexus + Blazing
Void: Flurry + Transfer Peril

I'm not gonna say that is definitive but that's a quick guide

[vagrant hollow]

how good is surge on void?

[shadow wigeon]

It isn't, really.

Assuming we're not talking anim cancelling, it doesn't compete with Flurry Transfer

[pale basalt]

Peril reduction and flurry are where its at imho

[south zephyr]

noticing a pattern here

[shadow wigeon]

yeah haha I realized after I wrote that... wait... it is on everything.

[lunar hollow]

psyker + ogryn try not to be pigeonholed into a very small unique weapon + blessing selection challenged

failed instantly

[shadow wigeon]

Flurry is speed AND cost reduction.
It's technically most effective on Trauma, then Surge, then Void, then Purg

[south zephyr]

so I tried trauma out, not the biggest fan of it tbh

[lunar hollow]

(ogryn less so at this point since some of their weapons have received good balance changes like kickback)

personally i like trauma

it kind of just chunks patrols

[south zephyr]

primary stat you want on purge is Burn though

[lunar hollow]

unless you have asshole teammates

[spice veldt]

trauma's performance also depends on the map

[shadow wigeon]

The stats aren't peak, but you absolutely should roll it to fish for blessings BUT

[spice veldt]

magistrati is probably one of the best maps for it because it's 90% corridors

[lunar hollow]

although sometimes you will do shit like accidentally detonate a burster on top of a teammate because you misjudged the explosion radius on a poxburster

[fathom adder]

Most of the game's best weapons have a choice between:

• Absurd Power boost
• Game Changing New/Altered Mechanics
• Bullshit
• Bullshit
• Bullshit
• Bullshit
• Bullshit

[south zephyr]

[fathom adder]

What RNG-based loot systems do to a mf. Good things must be rare, therefore most things must be shit

[shadow wigeon]

@gleaming socket Specific to Purg and Surge staff:
When you have a "perfect" staff, when you roll it to blue, unless the first blessing is Nexus 4 or Flurry 4, replace the blessing with Terrifying Barrage 4 if you have it.

This will ensure that when you roll to yellow, you will get Nexus or Flurry (there are only 3 T4 blessings), in which case you can replace Barrage with the other one, and you have a Nexus/Flurry staff (almost) guaranteed.

So weirdly, Terrifying Barrage 4 MIGHT be worth fishing for

on those 2 staffs

[lunar hollow]

and a lot of the good weapons have a shit ton of bad blessings thrown in the pool with the good ones

[fierce sinew]

you don't need 4

[fathom adder]

That's all the Bullshit

[fierce sinew]

you can't roll 2 of the same blessing

[lunar hollow]

there are some weapons where like, most blessings are acceptable

[south zephyr]

but why t4 terrifying specifically? could it be a lower tier?

[shadow wigeon]

I just say 4 because it's conjecture right now that high stat roll = high blessing roll

[lunar hollow]

caxe and taxe have a combination of 4 that are good (brutal momentum is a must, then shred/deci/headtaker depending on class and personal preference)

[shadow wigeon]

There's no concrete evidence, just anecdotal

[fathom adder]

And a lot of the bad weapons have no Absurd Power Boost or Game Changing Mechanic, which makes them bad. I reckon the Eviscerator could be great if it had Slaughterer and Headtaker

[lunar hollow]

eviscerator is actually gimped a lot by bugs and bad code interactions

[south zephyr]

worth investing further in? think I started it back when I was but a wee psyker

[lunar hollow]

you would need to resolve its issue with actually cleaving stuff

like savage sweep not adding targets who can be damaged to non-revs, the revved attack not actually doing cleave damage to targets 5-8 (1-4 are fine, and it resumes dealing damage on 9+)

personally not a fan of weapons that either completely ignore the cleave system (via brutal momentum) or get shit on hard by having an arbitrary cap on how many enemies you can damage in 1 swing (like ogryn shovel)

[shadow wigeon]

Correct
You can do this with any weapon (and you may as well), but those staves happen to only have 3 T4 blessings, so if that's what you're looking for, it's easier.

If the "high stats = high blessings" is just made up nonsense, then yeah.

[south zephyr]

@shadow wigeon so that purge I linked, you think it's worth swapping out t1 flurry for terrifying and upping to orange? (assuming the stats are good enough to use)

[fierce sinew]

blessing rating and stat modifier rating aren't the same thing

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, I would

u r the winner

[lunar hollow]

i think devs have said stats impact blessings, but we have no idea to what extent

[south zephyr]

I know quell is usually the dump stat, but at the time I guess I figured damage on purge was negligible so quell was more worthwhile

[lunar hollow]

yeah purg doesnt really need damage at all

[south zephyr]

so then that's a solid purge then?

more so if I can get WN and flurry?

[lunar hollow]

yeah

[south zephyr]

purge build would use inner tranq and battery, right?

with AB

[shadow wigeon]

It doesn't need Tranq, really. Try Warp Unleashed, and see whcih you prefer.

[lunar hollow]

you can get some utility out of inner tranq, but its not really that peril hungry

when i run purg i prefer WU

[south zephyr]

does WU increase the burn?

[lunar hollow]

i think so? i know +power effects like slaughterer when you switch to FS does

it also lets you hit 1-tap brainburst breakpoints with all 6 warp charges which is nice

since purg + AB will let you generate a lot of warp charges off burning enemies

[south zephyr]

would still take battery instead of... what was it.. wildfire?

[shadow wigeon]

It does

[lunar hollow]

smth like that

i run battery as well

[south zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-gif-20530397

[lunar hollow]

since it helps clear rooms of shooters

[lunar hollow]

its a bit of an anti-synergy if you want to have uptime on 1-shotting flamers and ragers but most of the time i'll have 6 charges with purg

[shadow wigeon]

Wildfire requires specific playstyle/circumstances to be good

[south zephyr]

does more charges buff AB too though?

[lunar hollow]

it does

[south zephyr]

and with AB you would generate most if not all back pretty quick, right?

[lunar hollow]

the burn stacks scale off your charge count

back when soulblaze was 200% vs flak you could clear a room of scab shooters with 1 well-placed AB

dunno if it still works now that the modifier is 150%

[fierce sinew]

it still does

if you want to kill them faster you want to either make sure to have flak on your staff, switch your slaughterer force sword, or both though

[willow hazel]

It just depends on how many enemies you hit. If you only hit shooters it doesn't create many warp charges.

[kind jay]

hadron pls

[hollow current]

damn, sorry about precog.

[feral verge]

sorry about high warp resist

rip

[hidden crystal]

Here we are. Couldn't remember exactly which stats were what. I do hope to find Ghost T4 for it eventually.

I mean, it's not a full 380 base rating, but that's nonetheless quite snazzy.

[kind jay]

the cog sucks but i like warp resist. i spam illy special

[feral verge]

so do i

yeah that's a neat staff

i'd change elite dmdg to flak personally

the only fault with that staff is not having 76% burn. but it's nbd it's gonna do great

[kind jay]

dump stat on deimos is warp resist mostly

commonly used perks are flak/maniac

and blessing slaughterer + whatever

unstable is a good pick

if you dont feel comfortable with 2 wounds go for it

curios are just preference

for curios you want at least gunner resist

maybe sniper

nope just use whatever you get with the best stat distribution

i think higher rating has a better chance at better blessings (someone else confirm) but lower ratings can get you a nice stat spread too

[feral verge]

bomber ersit useless

its only bomber melee attack lol

[spice veldt]

gunner res is also debatably mediocre

[kind jay]

it really is

[hollow current]

I like sniper/mutant/sprint effeciency.

been running ordo dockets tho so i can gamble more

[spice veldt]

I run stamina regen, toughness regen, and toughness

I spend most of my time in melee and prefer to have more poking power against ranged enemies if needed with toughness regen, which is when the pace of the map slows down and the team is together except on the throneside maps

and I just like toughness in general

[spice oar]

What??? fatshark actually why

[flat shadow]

This is amazing for illisi what

[spice oar]

Kinda pissed now I've had bomber resist on all my characters cause I hate the flames

[flat shadow]

all you should be doing with illisi is dodging

Goodbye hordes

[spice veldt]

precognition is horrible

[flat shadow]

left click hold left click

[kind jay]

the problem is what it does

[spice veldt]

+weakspot and +crit damage is horrible in general

[hollow current]

you must not know how +crit damage and +weak spot damage is calculated.

[kind jay]

which is nothing

[spice veldt]

in case you are not privy, weakspot damage is not that good for two reasons.

• The bonus is quite low. It's 10%.
• It doesn't actually give 10% damage as you might expect. If you deal 100 base damage and 230 base damage, +10% weakspot damage will make your weakspot deal 243 damage instead of the 253 damage that you expect. In other words, +10% weakspot damage is actually a +5.6% increase in net damage on weakspot hits for the force swords (at 80% finesse).

[flat shadow]

does it make you do less headshot damage

[spice veldt]

no, the bonus is just shit

thankfully, it's not actively detrimental

just horrible

[hollow current]

if a crit head shot does 10 more damage. another +10% crit damage will make you do 11 damage

so it's really pathetic

[flat shadow]

i see

At least it's pretty much always on though

especially since force swords have no dodge downtime

[spice veldt]

though on the illisi, the special attacks also have a reduced crit/weakspot multiplier

special weakspots deal 1.474x more damage to the first three targets

I suppose the boon is that it maintains full weakspot/crit multiplier over more targets but with a lower damage multiplier

and with illisi, you often end up just staggering or killing enemies before they can even swing

since it's not just unconditional dodges that trigger riposte/precognition

an enemy has to throw out a melee attack and then you must dodge it for it to proc

[tropic vigil]

is warp res relevant on surge?

found one at 42% warp res. other stats are nice.

[tender terrace]

i seem to be struggling to keep peril high am i just not using my staff enough

[shadow wigeon]

Yea, it defines cost of using it

[spice veldt]

some staffs have better peril economy than others

and force swords with high warp resistances can make it hard to generate peril

[tender terrace]

like my staff is actively reducing my peril when im using it and i dont have a blessing that does that so im confused

[fierce sinew]

battle meditation proc

[spice veldt]

aka the 10% chance to quell 10% on kill

it's one of Psyker's passives

[tender terrace]

ah right

[spice veldt]

for warp flurry, it quite matters, though quelling is so fast that you can just quell 1 tick and be able to cast an RMB immediately if you need to spam low-charge RMBs (if you don't run a warp flurry surge)

[tropic vigil]

TY.

im working on getting near perfect all staffs, so thatll be good to know before i waste any resources

[lilac tapir]

Question, for grim runs, should I use: A) a curio with extra wound (currently running Toughness on all three) B) switch some or all curious to Health C) keep Toughness but roll ones with some sort of corruption resistance on it instead of let's say sniper resistance? If C) then which resistance should I get (the regular one or the grimoire one)?

[tropic vigil]

i just run whichever curios i have that are best. i cant say if % corruption resistance is worth a perk slot or not though.

i think ive only ran it once and never noticed a difference

at least not anything that would have prevented a loss

[spice veldt]

I'd personally take at least one hp curio if you know you're going on a grim run

I can afford to sac a perk for corruption resistance as well

[lilac tapir]

the regular corr resi or the grim one?

[spice veldt]

both affect grims as far as I can tell

at least in the meatgrinder

lemme test again

I'm not sure if the regular corruption res affects the ticking down of the grim corruption

but it affected the initial corruption gained to my memory

[lilac tapir]

the regular lowers HP decay over time, the other the initial HP chunk I believe

[fierce sinew]

can always just run 3 hp curios like a normal person and not have to worry about changing them for grims etc :^)

[lilac tapir]

but I'm super used to have my 164 toughness and extra 90% T regen 😦

[fierce sinew]

as long as quietude stays busted toughness regen is extremely whatever

I guess maybe unless you're gunpsykering

[spice veldt]

it does make a fair difference for poking at ranged enemies with your team

[lilac tapir]

I am gunking currently yea, so not running quietude

[spice veldt]

it's better than the other perks so I like it nevertheless even with a trauma + quietude build

[meager plinth]

Go full crackhead and run 3x3stamina curios

[fierce sinew]

I run 3 hp with hp and toughness on all, 2 sniper resist and 1 sprint efficiency

and have never felt the need to change for any mission type

[spice veldt]

both corruption res and grim corrupt res affect the initial corruption gained from grims it seems

if you stack hp, then of course you don't need to switch things up for a secondary objective that discriminately targets your health

[lilac tapir]

the issue I'm running into on some of the longer grim runs (for example with hunting grounds where the pace is slower because we need to make pit stops to take care of the hounds) is that I'm getting down to 1HP and with only 2 wounds I eventually die even If I play very safe (talking about random games here ofc)

[spice veldt]

i'd probably just straight up avoid grim + hunting ground missions if I can

though teams don't usually pick up grims anyways, at least on NA west

[fierce sinew]

that's a gameplay issue, not a gearing issue

[tropic vigil]

im doing a grim hunting grounds now its not the most fun

[fierce sinew]

if you're corrupting down to 1hp you're moving through the map too slowly

[tropic vigil]

thank the god emperor for ogryns

[fierce sinew]

maybe start thinking about how to move forward while events are going on

you can do the doorway mash m1 thing if you're otherwise moving at a brisk enough pace but it sounds like you aren't

[lilac tapir]

I agree, can't do much about it in a random game though (my regular team stopped playing), so was thinking about improving my chances a bit at least 🙂

[blissful mural]

So I have all but one tier 4 blessings for force sword, guess which one I actually want?

[fierce sinew]

sometimes you have to be the guy who pushes

and just be a bad enough dude to shame them into catching up

[lilac tapir]

true, I just had a really good 2 grims hunting grounds but we died at the end - my main issue at the end was the 1HP situation and a shitton of ranged elites etc. between us and the next med station haha

[fierce sinew]

you can also try a few passive aggressive "go there!" pings but mileage definitely varies on those

[lilac tapir]

honestly I think I did as much as I could during this game, the team was solid, we were just too slow in the end

[fierce sinew]

those zealots got smoked lmao

[lilac tapir]

I guess I will try to change 1 Curio to 21% HP and try to roll both regular and grim corr resistance on it

[fierce sinew]

I don't think I've seen non-ogryn hit 2k

that's kind of impressive

[lilac tapir]

will see how it goes, cheers for the suggestions

[spice veldt]

huh, your base coherency regen with the shredder is 15 toughness per second while standing still but 5 while moving

[ornate hamlet]

Wait, weapons have different coherency regen and are affected by movement?

[spice veldt]

yeah

[ornate hamlet]

Wow.

[spice veldt]

the knife used to have 3x more toughness regen while standing still iirc

oh it still does lemayo

[ornate hamlet]

This game is stupid

[spice veldt]

laspistol ADS while standing still has a lower regen, but moving while ADSing has a faster regen
if not in ADSing, then standing still has the faster regen

hmm

[fierce sinew]

interesting that these values aren't displayed on the stat screen anywhere

or indeed used as a modifier

several weapons have defense modifiers that seem like a perfect home for something like this

mkv ds etc

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/grgtjp

with +90% tough speed, that's 28.5 toughness per second

though I'm using the inventorystats mod to check the toughness speed per second rather than checking the frames

lemme see

oh yeah it is absolutely 28.5 toughness per second

[feral verge]

melk selling something actually good for once

mine is better, but still

gj melk

[cyan notch]

this game is actually garbage

theres no content except for rng shop and rng crafting

[ember hornet]

there's an assault class of weapons

they are supposed to have higher coherency regen while moving but it's still backwards

[spice veldt]

i made the wrong assumption of thinking that they would've ninja-fixed or removed it since no one was talking about it

given how popular the shredder is rn

[ember hornet]

they haven't hotfixed thrust lol

[spice veldt]

aaaa

[fierce sinew]

they straight up don't know how a lot of things work

[cyan notch]

haha guys commlink is coming hehe xD lmao hehe its gonna be great XDD

[ember hornet]

they literally changed a variable and forgot to change the variable in all of the weapon overrides

[sick steeple]

Is there a dueling sword best suited towards killing big bois?

[ember hornet]

deimos

[fierce sinew]

never forget that we explain how weakspot/crit works to new people daily because the person who picked the numbers for the perks was confused in the same way

they're clearly balanced as though it's calculated how you think it would be and not how it is

[ember hornet]

I'm so sad when I see reddit posts of "god" weapons that have crit/weakspot damage

[fierce sinew]

it would be easy to fix

...if anyone with the power to do it knew there was a problem

and so on for most of the shit we roll eyes at

[ornate hamlet]

Ok so what if a weapon that deals 200% damage on crit

[spice veldt]

they talk about having a priority list, but I wonder if they factor in how easy it is to fix that problem

[ornate hamlet]

Got a 10% crit damage buff

And dealt 220%

[feral verge]

I'm sure y'all saw this

I didn't

[spice veldt]

i kinda did

[ornate hamlet]

No executioner force sword

[spice veldt]

I'm personally fine with it as a psyker if it's other content like maps

[left crater]

melk why cant you give this to the veteran...

[feral verge]

I saved 34k plasteel over the past week for (kind of) nothing

[spice veldt]

f

[feral verge]

It will be useful later ofc

But technically for nothing, ATM

Well, whenever new weapons drop I will be absolutely loaded

[sick steeple]

What blessings are people using on the dueling sword these days?

[feral verge]

People aren't using it at all these days

Deimos sword is better in every meaningful way

[sick steeple]

Well, time to do some experimentation then

[left crater]

most psykers use one of the two new force swords

[cyan notch]

imagine they take 7 years only to not change blessing locks

oh guys dont worry we are looking into it!

[feral verge]

The only good blessing for dueling sword is shredder or whatever it's called

[spice veldt]

I'd probably prefer Rampage + Uncanny Strike on duelling swords

[feral verge]

Any other blessing is meh, and a lot of them are just bad

Like precog

[sick steeple]

Those were the two I was thinking of

[feral verge]

I used to main dueling sword before the force sword update

[sick steeple]

Which version did you like?

[feral verge]

Mk4

I loved the drip

[spice veldt]

I personally don't like shred because of how it gets broken by anything that breaks your attack chain (waiting too long, missing your attack, pushing, swapping to another weapon)

[sick steeple]

I’m trying something new, been an axe psyker for a while

[spice veldt]

and crits just having a reduced bonus if you already hit a weakspot

[cyan notch]

mk5 best single target

[sick steeple]

Ooo

[cyan notch]

the rest are just meh horde clear

[sick steeple]

Single target speaks to the rage mage in me lol

[feral verge]

If you want the dueling sword experience, but better on all fronts, roll with Deimos

Deimos can one shot head shot muties

[spice veldt]

on the Deimos, the 1st light deals 2x more damage than the normal sweeping lights of force swords,
and the 2nd heavy deals 2.5x more damage than the normal sweeping heavies of the force swords

[feral verge]

Without the charge up special

Deimos is my fav weapon in the game

Ironic because in pygex's video, my naysaying/detractful comment is featured first

https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10

[sick steeple]

I see, well thanks for all the help!

[feral verge]

Good luck have fun

[fresh steeple]

yoooo

nice

[ornate hamlet]

stamina regen let's goooo

[fresh steeple]

I was gonna roll for toughness regen speed. Tell me why I shouldn't, please

[spice veldt]

only if you spend a fair amount of time in melee or running around for it to be worth it

[fresh steeple]

I do not

[fierce sinew]

deimos also has access to some of the most cracked movement in the game

[spice veldt]

or especially if you don't run kinetic deflection

[fierce sinew]

if your mobility roll is good and your crabwalk timing is up to it you are the fastest creature on the map

[spice veldt]

that's the case for me, so I like stacking stam regen

[fresh steeple]

my general Psyker playstyle as of the past month and a half or so has been "stay with the group and almost exclusively do ranged damage with rapid popcorn Trauma bursts"

[spice veldt]

yeah a no-stamina mobility option that's fast as fuck

[fierce sinew]

casually crabwalking past the sprinting knife zealot will never not be funny to me

[spice veldt]

I have a macro that spams dodges exclusively for the purposes of crabwalking

[ornate hamlet]

I don't care much for toughness regen because I run quietitude

[spice veldt]

speaking of toughness regen speed, it turns out that most weapons have a coherency regen speed of 7.5 at max, not 5

[fresh steeple]

as do I, but I also primarily run Flurry Trauma, so I only regen at the very end of a long cast chain

[feral verge]

How do you crab walk

Ive been slide dodging all this time

[ornate hamlet]

But I'm also a very aggressive psyker, so I also am usually butting heads with the hordes and getting toughness back from the funny illisi swings

[fresh steeple]

spam dodge and move "sideways"

[spice veldt]

wit +90% toughness speed, that's 14.5 toughness per second

[feral verge]

Thought so

[spice veldt]

yeah I'm the same with a melee playstyle, but ranged engagements can be rather slow and painful

[feral verge]

I didn't know it was faster

[spice veldt]

I'd rather have the toughness so that I can peek with my trauma staff more often

[fresh steeple]

kk I'm gonna roll toughness regen. But your notes about stamina are, well, noted

[fierce sinew]

how much faster depends on your roll

[feral verge]

Till I saw another Deimos psyker go past me

My Deimos has like 80% mobility

[fierce sinew]

[feral verge]

79

Ok

[fresh steeple]

this curio is like 30 points higher than any others I own

lel

[feral verge]

Time to reroll

Bad sword

[spice veldt]

smh 42% warp res

[feral verge]

3 charges and I'm at max

[spice veldt]

and not t4 unstable power smh smh

[feral verge]

Can we ban this guy

[cyan notch]

not t4 deflector

pathetic honestly

[feral verge]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the locked crit chance perk

[fresh steeple]

TOTALLY REASONABLE REROLL SYSTEM

[spice veldt]

ah it eluded my eyes as they were drawn to the bigger problems

not +25% flak smh smh

[feral verge]

[spice veldt]

given how often players are going to interact with the crafting system, I would've expected them to fix it

priority list my ass

[fierce sinew]

that one I'm more willing to give them a pass on because a mod has more or less fixed it, and they're obviously attentive to what goes on there (given that they've straight up integrated some of them)

the lock thing I wish they'd deal with still

[spice veldt]

yeah that's fair

t3 perks are good enough more often than not

[fierce sinew]

the t4 blessing grind has also (by several anecdotal accounts) been made quantitatively easier

maybe we get a "premium" option at brunts sometime soon

200k or whatever for a 380

[restive slate]

I want Brunt to make our in-game currency clothes

[fresh steeple]

of all the things I've ever seen suggested in this discord, this is definitely not one I'd bet on

maybe an "advanced cost" to roll between 360 and 380 or something. I'd expect them to fully unlock blessings/perks before they give us the option to buy 380s

[fierce sinew]

would still be an improvement tbh

average at the moment is in the 330s

[fresh steeple]

oh, definitely would be an improvement

I'm just saying that purchasing 380s is something I can't ever see them doing even in the most dire player-retention straits

[sick solar]

So what Perk should I refine? Thoughts?

[fresh steeple]

Specialists to Crit

[sick solar]

I was thinking Specialists to flak, but crit would work too.

[vivid saffron]

Guys?? How good is Bloodthirsty on Force Sword? +100% Critical Chance on Special Attack Kill. How long does it last?

[fresh steeple]

it isn't

one attack total

so you have to kill something first, and THEN you get a crit on something else, once

In the best of times it can't even begin to compete damage-wise with Unstable Power, much less Slaughterer

[orchid shadow]

Is the Relay Station map fixed? Or are the plasteel drops still a dirty trashcan full of poop?

[fresh steeple]

I'd only use it if I were trying to run a meme Blazing Spirit build

[spice veldt]

it lasts until the next attack or in 5 seconds

it once upon a time used to be all crits for 5 seconds 😔

[shadow wigeon]

It is fixed - or was last time I checked 😮

[spice veldt]

here's a minor demonstration of the glory days https://streamable.com/p61p6l

[fresh steeple]

I tested it a half hour ago. It's fixed, as I pinged him to see in general chat

[sick solar]

Ok, gonna go test it now. I'll maybe use it twice and go back to Trauma. lol

[orchid shadow]

Thanks, I see a low Damnation run I want to try

[fresh steeple]

imagine extremely rare T4-only blessings on class-specific weapons being actually good for once

[spice veldt]

perish such scandalous thoughts

[fresh steeple]

can't have that. It would undermine the fabric of crafting cohesion carefully created by our wonderful Swedish game devs

it's Slaughterer all the way down

[spice veldt]

power rules this world

[restive slate]

We need Slaughterer on our ranged weapons

[spice veldt]

a pinning fire in every household

[fresh steeple]

I'd vote for him

[fierce sinew]

slaughterer + unstable purg

when

would accept pinning fire

[gloomy gulch]

Do I switch to the right and replace terrifying barrage with warp nexus?

[spice veldt]

warp nexus by itself is not great on trauma because trauma only has a 1.15x crit damage multiplier

I'd probably slap on warp flurry instead

[gloomy gulch]

ah I see

ok cool cool

but the right one is better as blazing spirt seems like ass too bad the other blessing was nexus 1 on that 380

[spice veldt]

I've personally never used a blazing spirit + nexus trauma to compare, but flurry + rending shockwave works well

shame about the 70% charge stat but it's good nuff

[fresh steeple]

Barrage to Warp Flurry

[fresh steeple]

honestly I gotta say, having used the 67% one for the past week, that it's a lot more of a dump stat than I'd expect IF you're running Flurry

it basically becomes negligible from the second cast onward and is absolutely indistinguishable from an 80-stat at max stats, down to the exact peril percentage per full charge

but if you're NOT running Flurry, then yes, 70 hurts a bit. There are a few around here who swear by Nexus+Spirit. Frankly I still like Rending+Flurry more

[gloomy gulch]

wait so the one on the left I should maybe reroll something to crit chance? If I want to go with nexus and blazing spirit?

[shadow wigeon]

I had a lot of fun with Blazing Nexus, but it felt like you had to work a lot to get it done. I'm not great with Trauma, tho.

[fresh steeple]

I'd probably roll Carapace to crit or Flak. Honestly I'd go with Flak if pressed for it. Carapace only affects one enemy, which gets absolutely shrecked by Trauma anyway, so

[hidden crystal]

Melk is offering me this, and I do like playing gunpsyker, buuuuuttt...

... to be honest I think the one I've already got is better.

[fresh steeple]

if you used the second, I'd roll Specialists to Flak and Barrage to Flurry, but it's honestly not good enough imo to really make Rending+Flurry work at the maximum power level. Charge Rate is sort of dumpable with Rending+Flurry, but Warp Resist is not, and you'll have problems sustaining constant shots with a 61 roll.

With that said, I'm speaking from a position of absolute min-maxing. The difference between that staff and one with 73+ Warp Res is going to be possibly two charged shots in a 0-100-burst-100-quell rotation, so it's still going to be fine

you'll get 11-12 charged shots total in a non-"I got 10% quell from a kill" scenario instead of 14-15

[hidden crystal]

The one I've already got: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1107785124252225586/image.png

I'd want to replace the mediocre sprint efficiency, which would leave me with +25% Infested damage, and that doesn't seem worthwhile on the MG XII, at least not compared to the reload speed on the one I already have.

I think the Infested damage would only really be relevant to pox hounds and bursters, as the MG XII doesn't have difficulty dropping regular walkers.

[gloomy gulch]

this was very indepth thank you

Ill stick with the first and reroll carapace

[fresh steeple]

(and of course get rank 4 nexus when you can if you're using the first)

[gloomy gulch]

[odd siren]

Any of yall willing to help me get the monstrosity penance?

[fresh steeple]

you should try the lfg channels. That's typically where I see people ask for penances of any sort.

[odd siren]

Ok, thanks. What does lfg stand for?

[fresh steeple]

looking-for-group

I don't mean any insult by this, but... is this the first video game you've played? I feel like LFG is an ubiquitous term for the past several decades, so I'm very surprised you didn't know it.

[odd siren]

nope been playing games since is was 4 and pc gaming since i was 15 lmao. Never heard of the acronym before i guess lol...

[fresh steeple]

well...

[odd siren]

Or perhaps I've just always had my own groups, therefore never had to seek out randoms to play with

[fresh steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-26317296

[cold geode]

need ogryn psykers

[spice veldt]

an MKV duelling sword psyker packing stamina and block eff could also do it

[fresh steeple]

I can tank them with force sword and no meaningful stamina trinkets (though having at least one helps a lot). You just need to dodge a lot more. But yeah, if the tank is standing in one spot, I agree with that assessment.

[spice veldt]

a psyker needs to rest their legs once in a while

let their arms take the brunt of it all

enjoy this clip of 3 psykers 1 bulwark https://streamable.com/mzww5m

[cyan notch]

u just need to spam dodge ez

[cold geode]

https://i.gifer.com/E7wW.gif

[blissful mural]

THank you melk, it was worth every contract ive ever done, finally!

[tender terrace]

warp nexus applies to melee?

[fierce sinew]

blessings are only active when the weapon is in your hand

[blissful mural]

it doesnt but you can see for yourself, nexus is one of the buffs that show ingame, look for the little skull and differentiate it from the other little skull icons

[past bear]

Cant decide what perk to use. Crit chance just makes sense, but dunno if 5% is worth

[spice veldt]

i bet part of the confusion comes from the fact that unstable power and warp nexus have the exact same icon