psyker-class

[lofty storm]

awesome, that was going to be my second choice, wasn't sure about nexus

[obtuse moth]

yea, fwiw its 28% more damage on crits for left click but 15% or less on right clicks :< for trauma

[lofty storm]

is there a list of all perks that can roll on each type of weapon?

[obtuse moth]

yeah google darktide gameslantern

theres seperate pages for blessings perks and curios

you could use the reroll until rarity list and just subtract all the perks that are curios

theres ranged and melee variants of perks but they do the same thing

i think hishock5 shows its value

[cyan portal]

Some 'memes' https://youtu.be/ngXOQaLAb20 Got what I wanted pretty quick.

[obtuse moth]

recommend the stuff searcher mod

theres also a sorting mod which is nice

[cyan portal]

Oh yeah a searcher might be useful. I have the sorting one, too much crap for it to help much though.

[obtuse moth]

i like it for sorting by base rating for picking out stuff to buy or consecrate

it pairs well with stuff searcher

i can filter by a weapon and base rating in combination

you just have to click out of the searcher like clicking a random weapon before you can click on the sorter

[cyan portal]

i'll try it out. Luckily I only craft once in a blue moon these days anyway.

[obtuse moth]

ah ok, the fav weapons mod might work then too

idk how often you swap but it also protects them from being destroyed

[cyan portal]

yeah i use that one too

[obtuse moth]

nice :D

[crude trout]

any trauma users here? what's your experience using warp unleashed vs peril resistance on hi5 shock? does the additional fully charged M2 that you can throw out better than overall damage boost based on peril?

[vestal raven]

i go peril resist just to keep the cc up and available, but im sure the more dmg cant hurt

especially for crusher and bulwarks

[crude trout]

yeah Im debating since most of the time encounter a crusher + bulwark group more so than other patrols 😦

feels like I should use the peril res for additional CC so that my other teammates can fight them safely but I wanted to get input from others

[ornate hamlet]

Is this worth a purchase?

[karmic delta]

After using inner tranquility for so long. I much prefer Warp Unleashed for the extra damage. I've gotten a good "feel" of the staff so I dont mind not having any peril resist. + I have Sustained Fire and I usually quell after the 3rd shot on the Trauma

[cyan notch]

yea

swap executor for slaughterer

crit damage for maniac

[ornate hamlet]

Why not the stam instead of the crit?

[karmic delta]

Crit damage doesnt add a whole lot

[ornate hamlet]

Fair enough.

[vestal raven]

yeah crit dmg and weakspot dmg are kinda ass

[ornate hamlet]

Unfortunate. I don't know enough yet about the perks and blessings, as far as how good or what they actually do.

[crude trout]

thanks for this feedback!

[hidden crystal]

Extra stamina is at least useful on psykers; more pushes, more blocking (Kinetic Deflector, should you use that, multiplies up based on your Stamina).

I'll often spam a load of pushes to delay a horde - sometimes to stunlock it in place while the rest of the team deal with something else, or to buy a second or two to deal with the elites in the middle of the crowd.

[vestal raven]

mi staff

[ornate hamlet]

I've been looking for a good Voidstrike. Only had purge.

[vagrant hollow]

hey guys i havent played with purgatus for some time are these talents way to go?

[kind jay]

fs fist pump spam is so absurdly good. you can wade thru 800 things and take no damage at all

can easily cover people doing hacking in full 360

[ornate hamlet]

Level 25 I use 1. 6 stacks helps for the fire dot.

But everything else you have the same as me.

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, if you're not someone who's trying to maximise their kill count for the scoreboard mod, then stunning the horde is often a very valid option.

[vestal raven]

it so fun lol, great horde clear, pox burster clean up, and good stagger against dogs and trappers

it does suck against maniac types tbf but 🤷‍♂️

[vestal raven]

yeah id use those

[karmic delta]

yours and mine pretty much the same

[feral verge]

you want warp battery

over wildfire

warp battery lets you nuke hordes

[ornate hamlet]

What's a feat setup with a Voidstrike staff?

[vestal raven]

311233

i use those

[vagrant hollow]

ok i wasnt sure about wildfire after they buffed it if im not wrong

[vestal raven]

its ok but mankar is right

[steep shuttle]

still trying to get surge

[hearty python]

@ornate hamlet im 321312 but most would probably go 1 in the 20 slot and you can do 1 in the 10 spot especially if you have Transfer 4

[vestal raven]

did u see that one shot sword i @'d u

[ornate hamlet]

Personally I prefer kinetic flayer, going into a horde with a melee weapon or stacking with a fire staff will give you a ridiculous amount of warp charges, pairing that with quicken as well

[formal ridge]

its not perfect with tier 3 flurry but at least I got nexus 4

I put maniac on it because I figure to target things in a crowd, unyielding/maniac both fit that bill

[cyan moth]

https://tenor.com/view/its-beautiful-gif-holy-moly-wow-beautiful-dear-god-its-beautiful-beautiful-gif-26044895

[feral verge]

good thing blessings dont matter a whole lot on surge

so you dont need to really aspire to a 'perfect' surge

a perfect surge would only be like... 10% better than a regular grey surge

[formal ridge]

lol

[feral verge]

in the end, it's just a stun stick

[formal ridge]

I been playing the past 9 hours to make a perfect surge

dont tell me that

lol

[feral verge]

its the truth

the best way to use surge

is not to use it

and by that i mean

having/using melee out for 90% of the game

[formal ridge]

tangentially true

[feral verge]

and only using surge for specials/elite groups

[karmic delta]

Saw this one Psyker who primarily uses the Surge to stun enemies.
gets close to them and go ham with the Illisi

[feral verge]

going for a perfect surge would only be worth it if: there isn't going to be a content drop soon (new weapon drop), if you already nothing else to upgrade (meaning you already have perfect void/purga/trauma/deimos/illisi) or no other weapons interest you

[karmic delta]

Pretty much cosplaying a Zealot as Psyker

[feral verge]

that's what my surge build is, essentially

and i've described it the same way

it's my zealot wannabe build

[karmic delta]

I aint playing a space wizard to use my sword.

[karmic delta]

is quicken good or?

[feral verge]

I use it because I'm lazy

It's so I can easily maintain warp charges

Because I haven't taken any feats to generate them

[vestal raven]

the sword

2 charges and im at 80 peril lmfao

[feral verge]

Based

mine

[vestal raven]

ah man if only i had slaughter instead

truly based

[feral verge]

i have this too

[vestal raven]

deimos poking is too good gonna search for a better one

[feral verge]

it's worth it

might be my fav weapon in the game

[vestal raven]

same lol

[feral verge]

ik my favorite thing in the game is the one shot mutie poke

i get excited every time i hear a mutie spawn

[vestal raven]

lmfao

i charge up and hunt them down

[feral verge]

same

i'm stocking up mats for the update

[vagrant hollow]

and whats currently best staff? purgatus or voidstrike?

[feral verge]

after that, i'll probably try crafting the perfect deimos

[vestal raven]

good idea

[feral verge]

purga imo

[vestal raven]

gonna do the same

[feral verge]

my main build is purga

i have 22k plasteel saved so far

[vestal raven]

whats ur strat for blessing searching

[feral verge]

here's another deimos

shame the warp resistance is a bit high

[vestal raven]

thats still great, just gotta stroke it some more

[chrome kiln]

Unpopular opinion : on ALL staves quell speed is much better than warp resistance (which does almost nothing). HERE I SAID IT !

[feral verge]

for a long time i wanted unstable power 4

[vestal raven]

i ended up with this one awhile ago seems good

[feral verge]

i was searching for it for over a month

and i spent over 50k plasteel trying to get it lol

[vestal raven]

pain

[feral verge]

then the next day, melk sold it in the store

[vestal raven]

that was me with fucking power cycler good lord

[feral verge]

idk what the best mathmetical way is

but that's what i did

just kept on buying greys and upgraded them

[vestal raven]

yeah im always broke because of that

[feral verge]

yeah, i was broke too, because of that

but now im almost at 1 mil

trying not to spend a cent

im trying to go hard with the grind, cuz i dont have much time to play during the week

me new job

[vestal raven]

congrats gamer

[vagrant hollow]

Another content drop should be on the last week of may right?

[vestal raven]

^

[feral verge]

before the deimos/illisi patch, i saved 30k plasteel

it was very much worth it

i was able to craft a few near perfect deimos/illisis, instantly

[vestal raven]

man yeah they blessed sykers with those swords

[feral verge]

i think it may drop may 23rd

[chrome kiln]

I never buy grey weapons. I use the atoma website to check for >360 rated items every hour. I buy them if the stats are well spread.

[feral verge]

i buy those too

but i dont check the website

[vagrant hollow]

Rly curious what else they can add to psyker, maybe that two handed sword right

[feral verge]

i'm not even home to buy shit, most of the time

armored car cash transport driver/messenger

hours can be long

[feral verge]

2 handed force sword, some of sienna's staves from vermintide

like the bolt staff, beam staff

we are missing single target dmg staves

all of our staves atm are cc

[vagrant hollow]

Beam staff is that one which works like a shotgun?

With primary fire

[feral verge]

i dont remember tbh

i just remember it for it's name sake

beam

[safe crystal]

Beam staff has a shotgun blast, and the beam snipe

[vagrant hollow]

Would like to see finally some 2 handed weapon for ogryn/hotshot lasgun or long las

[feral verge]

what's going on with my char's portrait lmao

happened yesterday

[karmic delta]

The demon is about to possess

[steep shuttle]

is this like when the ogryn loses the middle of their moustache?

[steel flame]

its soooo close to perfection

if only the unyielding was maniac

or unarmoured

[karmic delta]

Beautiful

[tropic vigil]

is there any way to disable or reduce the audio warning when you get to 100% peril

my volume is perfect for everything else but the warning is just too much especially when spammed

[vestal raven]

in the settings u can

reduce peril noise

[hollow creek]

r8 my setup

[kind jay]

is that... mind in motion?

[tropic vigil]

i would recommend warp unleashed

and yea ive never seen mind in motion used it seems kind of useless

[kind jay]

i second warp unleashed (lvl 10). and literally anything else for 20 (if you really like it tho dont change)

[tropic vigil]

ty holy shit thats so much more tolerable

[vestal raven]

ye

[orchid shadow]

Is Essence Harvest normal for Purg users? It doesn't stack, so I would've thought Warp Absorption or Quietude a more useful pick.

[spice veldt]

I suppose they are running inner tranq which anti synergizes with quietude

though I'd prefer running Quietude + Warp Unleashed and just whip out a Deimos with a low warp res

[near wyvern]

I would like to hear the justification for mind in motion over kinetic deflection and kinetic shield

[olive ember]

Mind in motion better than kinetic shield

said it before

say it again

Kinetic shield users

[near wyvern]

So do you always sit at 0 dodges left with a staff?

Cause if you dont

You are not using the mobility to full extent (with immune windows for ranged)

[spice veldt]

die

[near wyvern]

And if you do use dodges but don't go to negatives

[olive ember]

I'm sorry amigo, if you can't hard carry with a staff that will make any five enemies in the game stop what they are doing and stand there for a few seconds and take damage on top of it in the time it takes you to right click, left click, and then then R. that's the definition of a player issue. The only staff that matches it in versatility is the purgatus staff. The purgatus staff just has different enemies and situations it's weak again

If i'm running surge staff I rarely get into a situation where my whole team is dead, because I have the tools that stops all the specials that suprise wipe teams. When i am in that situation pressing my F key to push/light everything around me on fire and some slash/push with my Illsi typically gives me the breathing room to go back the dogs/trappers etc under control.

What I'm getting from this is you aren't super great at melee crowd control, and that's fine a lot of people aren't, and it's a learned skill. But that's not an issue with a surge staff. It's jsut an issue that you can kind of get around with staffs like the purgatus.

[tropic vigil]

assuming i can find slaughter iv should i keep, or is shred just not really worth?

[near wyvern]

What's the benefit of mind in motion when you could take kinetic shield for taking less damage or run kinetic deflection which is a clutch res machine

[spice veldt]

breh do you just have that copypasta saved in a Google doc

[hollow creek]

Being slowed can get you hit and I quell mid-combat also I already have stamina for blocking

[spice veldt]

filled the entire God damn screen of my phone

[olive ember]

I just search "i'm sorry amigo" in the search bar

[olive ember]

I'm sorry amigo, if you can't hard carry with a staff that will make any five enemies in the game stop what they are doing and stand there for a few seconds and take damage on top of it in the time it takes you to right click, left click, and then then R. that's the definition of a player issue. The only staff that matches it in versatility is the purgatus staff. The purgatus staff just has different enemies and situations it's weak again

If i'm running surge staff I rarely get into a situation where my whole team is dead, because I have the tools that stops all the specials that suprise wipe teams. When i am in that situation pressing my F key to push/light everything around me on fire and some slash/push with my Illsi typically gives me the breathing room to go back the dogs/trappers etc under control.

What I'm getting from this is you aren't super great at melee crowd control, and that's fine a lot of people aren't, and it's a learned skill. But that's not an issue with a surge staff. It's jsut an issue that you can kind of get around with staffs like the purgatus.

[hollow creek]

When Im constantly popping heads, Im constantly regenerating toughness

[near wyvern]

Just dodge while quelling

And when there are enemies, you shouldn't have the need to quell with purge, especially with inner tranq

[olive ember]

You use tranq with purge?

warp unleashed all the way

[spice veldt]

most undodgeable melee attacks can be distanced with a dodge-slide

[tropic vigil]

i wish wrack and ruin wasnt as memey. it completes the purge build but warp unleashed just gives most value

[spice veldt]

or just dodging sideways early will do it

[hollow creek]

Im not always using purgatus but I more use it for headpopping

[olive ember]

Oh I have different loadouts for each of my staves etc.

[hollow creek]

When I use wrath at max stacks I only take 8% peril per head pop

[spice veldt]

quelling is quite fast nowadays so using inner tranq for BB is a bit of a waste

[hollow creek]

And if I hit nothing but specials I can immediately do it again

[olive ember]

I mean its actually anti synergy in the fact that why would you BB to apply burn when purge can do it normally, also even with mixed hordes you can press F with AB to apply burn

[spice veldt]

prob helps to have your quell key on a more accessible key

[olive ember]

R isn't accesible?

[spice veldt]

I have my quell on 'V'

[olive ember]

V for voice chat bruh

[spice veldt]

locks you out of moving right without some finessing which is annoying

[olive ember]

fucking uncultlured

[spice veldt]

imagine talking smh

[olive ember]

I'm sorry amigo, if you can't hard carry with a staff that will make any five enemies in the game stop what they are doing and stand there for a few seconds and take damage on top of it in the time it takes you to right click, left click, and then then R. that's the definition of a player issue. The only staff that matches it in versatility is the purgatus staff. The purgatus staff just has different enemies and situations it's weak again

If i'm running surge staff I rarely get into a situation where my whole team is dead, because I have the tools that stops all the specials that suprise wipe teams. When i am in that situation pressing my F key to push/light everything around me on fire and some slash/push with my Illsi typically gives me the breathing room to go back the dogs/trappers etc under control.

What I'm getting from this is you aren't super great at melee crowd control, and that's fine a lot of people aren't, and it's a learned skill. But that's not an issue with a surge staff. It's jsut an issue that you can kind of get around with staffs like the purgatus.

[hollow creek]

Imagine arguing with a psyker and they give you a migraine or the shits telepathically

[tropic vigil]

only time ive seen it be effective is when just clearing next zone with BB but that tends to be pointless anyways cuz everyones just shooting. maybe it will get buffed and be more effective not sure how theyd rework it

[spice veldt]

maybe when they remove or nerf the infinite cleave from Purg or trauma

[olive ember]

I mean its alright now, since you can BB bulwarks and basically put 8 stacks on everything, gunner packs can also apply burn to all the shooters near em etc.

just that

peril resist or just a damage increase outcompetes it

[tropic vigil]

how come with illisi i can spam charging the sword, but cant with deimos?

[olive ember]

because thats an illisi only thing

[spice veldt]

no idea

[olive ember]

deimos has the same special as the obscures

[tropic vigil]

super stroker 3000

[cyan portal]

Best use of wrack n ruin is sniper gauntlet. Bb 2 and the rest burn to death.

[orchid shadow]

Unless you're running all toughness curios, that's only going to be around 6 toughness per second, which isn't much considering that your going to be killing with your purg staff (the flames count as warp attacks if I'm not mistaken) way more than your BB.

[hollow creek]

Hmmmm, I'll have to test, if it counts as a warp attack I'd basically never run out of toughness

Seems like it would be OP

[orchid shadow]

Triggers off the following attacks:
Staff primary and secondary attacks
FS special attack
BB
Soulblaze

[crude trout]

is Overwhelming fire good for the stubber?

[cyan portal]

Quietude is best as you can get toughness instantly when you want/need it. Hate leaving defense to rng.

[tropic vigil]

i guess ive been missing out on warp absorption then

[olive ember]

pretty sure it isn't

[tropic vigil]

i got used to running essence harvest

[crude trout]

haiya

[olive ember]

Yeah unless the ogryn meta changed (I keep up with it the least fyi) stubber blessings are blaze away + charmed reload

[crude trout]

what about the Ogryn's Grenade Gauntlet? is it meta?

[steel flame]

Wrack and ruin fits with Kinetic barrage much better than AB. It's super easy getting 20-24 stacks goin on elite balls and everything just melts into a puddle

I use it on my auto pistol build and my god, when there are two crushers in a horde It's a massacre

[olive ember]

Apparently so, used mostly for single target damage

[crude trout]

thanks!

[lethal folio]

I find kinetic barrage complements purgatus more than blaze.

[olive ember]

How dare you

[hollow creek]

not terrible with purgatus but really only gives back an insane amount of toughness in a horde

very SOL if teammates keep taking your brain burst kills

[spice veldt]

I generally prefer quietude, though I run a staff that generates a lot of peril

[steel flame]

I'm tempted to make a wrack and ruin purge wildfire KB build

[vivid saffron]

Guys? With a Trauma Staff build do you run the Quicken for extra Ulting or the Kinetic Barrage for extra Brain Burst

[cyan portal]

do you like to bb excessively?

[cyan notch]

i use kb for shock troops

[cyan portal]

AB gives you fire through walls out to 30m, double the range of staff. And it gives you a ton of free warp charges, so you can use that op ult on cooldown. It doubles down on the purga's strengths, but it lets you do your job exceedingly well.

[summer prairie]

those free warp charges don't feel very free when you are already spending them to use it

Playing Psyker and not freely spamming your ult to stagger or whatever feels bad

[cyan portal]

in any situation where it matters, they're back in about 5 seconds

[formal ridge]

its nice to have an aoe on tap

[cyan notch]

more like 30s

[summer prairie]

The main advantage is the extended range but that's mostly useful when there are a bunch of shooters out of range

since purg itself applies 6 or more stacks in <2 seconds within a wider cone

[steel flame]

i run quicken

[cyan portal]

I guess how many warp charges you get from it depends on how much you're killing. If you are pushing peril hard you don't get the charges to feed ab on cooldown. So i guess I see kb suiting a more chill style

[summer prairie]

sure maybe you can steal more kills when you get to melt the whole horde but that's mostly just stat padding

[cyan portal]

purga job is to make everything not very tanky dead so your team can focus on meaningful targets.

[steel flame]

i cant find much reason to bb outside of far off elites and sometimes bulwarks. i can finish most stuff off with a knock down trauma hit and a diemos stab

so i went fully into quicken and quietude for maximum toughness regen

and lean all the way into the high peril generation

[spice veldt]

having KB for Ogryn groups is quite nice

[cyan notch]

i still use ab for shooter spam

[steel flame]

most of the time i can just knock them all down and the team shreds them like piranhas

[spice veldt]

and just taking slightly shorter to kill bombers and snipers is also nice when I'm being occupied by a horde

and trappers, since I always ult whenever they're on the field

[steel flame]

i like kb on most other builds but for trauma specifically quicken allows for maximum survivability and damage, allowing for constant CC

and the team can take care of the rest

i can shred most hordes with ease so all thats really left is the ogryns anyways

if i really have to i can just murder them with a few bb or just stab them to death with the deimos

[spice veldt]

sniping gunners is also nice to enable running in with melee or sprint-sliding so that I don't get constantly knocked

[raw otter]

is there some kind psykers to help me with a penance for ogryn
the "dont stop me now"
move 40 meters with bull rush in under 20s on heresy or higher
the talent for psyker psykinetic's aura can come in handy for the combat ability cooldown on elite kill

[south zephyr]

beautiful

[hearty python]

@raw otter there's also a similar feat for ogryn, I can't remember what it is called though

[south zephyr]

also, dayum, that's a lot of plasteel banked up

[hearty python]

But it's personal not coherency

[raw otter]

oh yea
but i believe alone may not suffice
but yea true

psyker talent + that ogryn's feat
nice synergy for that penance

is the only penance i have to do for all classes

[formal ridge]

I agree in practice... in theory it's nice to have an extra charge on the surge staff for example (1 quick+4 full), but in reality there isn't always enough time in a game to quell down to zero. Esepcially if one is brainbursting etc and generating peril in other ways than just staff attacks. I'm swapping back to max quell over warp resist.

[hearty python]

@raw otter always helps to get that extra cooldown

[spice veldt]

you don't necessarily need to quell down to 0, and you quell in larger amounts the higher your peril is

[formal ridge]

Id have to set up macros to quell the exact amounts

but even then, its not hard to simply quell for a fraction of a second longer to get the full charge that would not be there given the warp resist

[spice veldt]

you quell in discrete amounts, so you just need to hold it for two ticks or however many you need

do you have the trueperil mod?

[formal ridge]

my point is that If I have to choose a dump stat between quell and warp resist I feel on the surge staff warp resist is less useful than quell

and if the quell is fast enough then the warp resist doesnt really matter

[spice veldt]

oh I thought you were disagreeing with them

[olive ember]

What are we talking about?

Surge staff being meta right?

[kind jay]

(pls buff)

[crude trout]

is there any site where I can see the meta build for each weapon type?

[spice veldt]

none that I know of off the top of my head

you'll prob just have to search through this discord

[crude trout]

ok!

[olive ember]

Just don’t use games lantern

And half the YouTube builds are clickbait

Reddit meta is like always a month behind discord meta

[crude trout]

yeah im building an ogryn and I want to find the meta for cleaver mk iii

[long wharf]

for ogryns, your best melee weapon by far is the bull butcher cleaver with slaughterer and confident strike

ranged is up to taste, I really like the gorgonum heavy stubber

I have a god-rolled one, and it's an absolute beast

[olive ember]

Stubber/ripper/grenade gauntlet

Apparently grenade gauntlet is meta with bull butcher because it provides some anti armor capabilities

Same thing with ripper if you get can opener

Stubber is kinda weird cuz it’s rly good but it’s meh against armor and bull butcher already kills everything else

[long wharf]

the only thing stubber is meh against is carapace

which I agree, is a concern when you don't have anti-carapace melee

but my stubber is so damn good, I just rely on the rest of the team to deal with carapace

if I have no grenades

I literally out-damage the rest of the team with my ogryn now

unless there's a boss for a thunderhammer zealot to kill

[austere estuary]

S P L E N D I D

I have slaughterer 4 also ready to slap on

much as it's tempting to keep deflector

[crude gulch]

deflector 3 is the highest?

[austere estuary]

4

but uncanny with deimos should be fun

[crude gulch]

have only seen 2 😭

[austere estuary]

for eating up crushers etc

[crude gulch]

yeah im trying to build one similar

[austere estuary]

there we go

woooow this is wild

testing it in psyk

[left crater]

im trying out a gun psyker build. is this good or should i swap powderburn off.

[crude gulch]

ive really only used ogryn guns,you better off asking a wall

[shadow wigeon]

I think I would take powderburn over barrage, but that is a really interesting question.

[left crater]

considering i dont have T4 barrage in the book im not getting rid of it

[shadow wigeon]

Having Barrage 4 in inventory could potentially help you roll better, if the RNG works as some suspect it does.

[shadow wigeon]

They're both pretty weak blessings, so it doesn't hugely matter. You want Pinning Fire, that's all really.

[maiden wolf]

Awwwwwyeaaaah! It's all coming together!

[left crater]

fair enough.

gun psyker is fucking wild. its probably not as strong as a staff, but its fun. its like unchained from VT2.

[austere estuary]

deimos with these blessings is mad

apologies for blown out image, forgot to disable display capture

[shadow wigeon]

Shredder autopistol is stronger than staves, right now, unfortunately

[austere estuary]

it's stronger in some ways only

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, not in all aspects, just raw damage.

[long wharf]

sadly, gun psyker with shredder can out-dps anything else the psyker does, barring purge staff against a damnation horde

[spice veldt]

it gives nice burst DPS and stagger, but I would not say it's unequivocally better

[austere estuary]

you're not gonna evaporate a horde with a shredder pistol like trauma or purg will, and won't stagger aoe the same or remove armor etc

it's another option, which is v good to have

[left crater]

staffs do have the advantage of not needing to compete with the bolter vet for ammo

[austere estuary]

also yes, infinte ammo without using any from the team is nice

I find trauma incredible for a team's survivability and horde control though

[tropic vigil]

it would be cool to see them create a actual gun that incorporates peril

[left crater]

each staff has their uses.

[austere estuary]

mixed horde with crusher/bulwark packs especially

now we just need laspitol buffed some more

[shadow wigeon]

Sheredder deals with so much so efficiently that it just breaks the game a bit

[austere estuary]

and we'll have 5 solid ranged options

[left crater]

not sure if there are any 'psyker guns' in 40K lore.

[shadow wigeon]

Barring ammo issues

[spice veldt]

though the lack of ammo can always be mitigated by the liberal use of melee

[austere estuary]

I mean the classic laspistol and staff is the miniature combo for sanctioned psykers

[left crater]

god could you imagine if the staff was your melee weapon

and you just had to bonk people with the weapon special

[spice veldt]

the power of 1 cleave and 30 damage

[left crater]

anyways. pinning fire, right?

thats the good un?

[austere estuary]

yea

[left crater]

imma get that asap

[austere estuary]

v stronk

don't forget to ADS

dramatically jumps stagger on it

[left crater]

really? huh

[austere estuary]

yeah, give it a go on mauler in psyk

[tropic vigil]

is collateral important on ap?

[shadow wigeon]

barely

[left crater]

yeah u right... why. makes no sense

[shadow wigeon]

But I assume the gun will get rebalanced at some point

and it may matter

[shadow wigeon]

Just the theme of the gun

[left crater]

this some fukin ork logic lol

"aim the gun. it do betterer"

[shadow wigeon]

But stagger = pinning fire stacks faster, on enemies that have a lot of stagger resistance.

[shadow wigeon]

When you brace yourself you can shoot the bigger bullets more easily

[orchid shadow]

Wait, really? I thought Collateral was the primary factor in how much stagger an enemy recieves

[left crater]

yes but that wouldnt effect how hard they hit realistically

[shadow wigeon]

It is, but the stagger is so high it isn't a huge factor

[left crater]

accuracy yes. stagger though?

fatshark logic i guess

[shadow wigeon]

Collateral stat on Shredder:
Stagger: 2.2 - 3.9
Bonus: up to +50% ish
So 0 collat vs 100%, is like 3X. But 60% vs 80% is 1.22X.
It's not a big difference

Suppression has a slightly wider range, but still not a huge difference.

[left crater]

what perks are good for the shredder?

rn i have flak and weakspot damage

[shadow wigeon]

+damage, flak and maniac typically top 2

[left crater]

maniac damage. alright. yeah weak spots with shredder are not consistent lol

[kind jay]

so close

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah you really dont care about weakspots anyway. You want to apply stagger -> pinning fire = big damage boost.

[spice veldt]

I continue to despise the fact that dogs can stagger their target if they decide to begin the pounce near them

[kind jay]

working as intended - fatshark probably

and im sorry to say but fixing dogs would be immeasurably complex

[shadow wigeon]

This might be the one place where that's true

[kind jay]

theyre literally just mutants with a disable instead of a grab

copy paste mutant, change model to dog

fixed

[safe mountain]

For Fatshark it would be too complicated to remove the stagger from dog jump and only apply it on doggo successful pounce

[kind jay]

damn u rite

[unreal harness]

He said "Hey you guys need to help with the objective"
I said "Bitch shut the fuck up, I will solo that objective when homie here ain't getting eaten by ragers"
Then I did

[crude gulch]

@unreal harness AY YO

[vivid saffron]

Not the gun, the Blessing itself needs to be tuned

Psyker should be top DPS by far, and without a gun imho

[south zephyr]

if you're going to use shredder, you absolutely need Pinning Fire

best perks for shredder are flak/maniac

and best blessings are Pinning Fire and Blaze Away

[chrome kiln]

Staves variant, new staves, 2 handed force sword, autopistol variants

[south zephyr]

BB Ogryn exists though

I wish staves were more interesting to use

[weak galleon]

Game's trolling me. I wish this was a Voidstrike.
https://i.imgur.com/bHPCMts.png

[spice veldt]

f

[olive ember]

Why would you want a voidstrike

That’s like weakest staff

Just replace surge with blazing spirit

[frank lake]

shut up

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frank lake]

void strike best

feels

[olive ember]

[frank lake]

not reels

[flat moat]

whats the difference between the force swords ?

[unreal harness]

Deimos has a nice strong first light attack, Illisi has a great special attack (doesn't stun you when hitting)

Obscurus just kinda bad rn tbh

Well it's not bad, it's just bad by comparison

[flat moat]

So its mostly personal preference then ?

[unreal harness]

Yeah I strongly recommend the Illisi, it feels really good

[flat moat]

Just unlocked the Illisi, can confirm seems pretty fun

[olive ember]

All of you guys turned your back on the obscures

Can’t believe it

[orchid shadow]

FS needs to do some balancing through imbalance. Illisi has the strong cleave, Deimos the single target, give Obscurus innate bullet blocking without Deflector or something.

[kind jay]

rip :(

[spice veldt]

Deimos - The 1st light deals 2x the damage of sweeping lights. The 2nd heavy deals 2.5x the damage of sweeping heavies. This increased damage comes at the tradeoff of lower cleave.
Illisi - The special increases the damage profile of the lights and heavies. The cleave is always increased to 10.5 regardless of if it's a special-light or special-heavy.

[orchid shadow]

Ohh,that just needs +xp for the trifecta

[spice veldt]

skill issue

[kind jay]

illisi is just as good at single target as deimos

if not better because you dont have to aim

light specials one shot most things at 6 stacks without WU and id rather heavy sweep special groups than try to stab them one by one

deimos is definitely funner tho

the real issue isnt that obscurus is worse, its that everything is worse

[left crater]

Obscurus is the original, where the 2 variants split off from.

And illisi became the psyker's P sword

[edgy kite]

Deimos > Illisi

Definitely isn't as good as the deimos for single target though, Illisi ain't getting 3k stab hits

[tender terrace]

yo do sword specials generate warp charges yet

[vivid saffron]

Agreed

[edgy kite]

nope

[tender terrace]

shameful

[edgy kite]

That'd be nuts if they did

[tender terrace]

its been a few months

communion or lacerations for 3rd row

[olive ember]

Warp unleashed

Wait

Oh

Most people run aura

[tender terrace]

aura + barrage?

[weak galleon]

Because it does everything at every distance, except for carapace/unyielding smashing, which is then taken by BB.

[olive ember]

It doesn’t do anything

Bad against elites

Worse against hordes

And yeah

[weak galleon]

it does for me.

at t5.

[olive ember]

I mean it’s got a built in cleave limit of 6

So yeah

Bad at horde clearing

Doesn’t have elite damage

The range is like the only thing it has over something like the trauma and purge

Well I guess peril cost as well but most psykers nowadays want to sit at high peril for warp unleashed or unstable power

[weak galleon]

You can spam it nearly indefinitely until the horde ends. What it doesn't kill it staggers.

[olive ember]

So like every other staff

[tender terrace]

trauma isn't shit anymore? what they change

[olive ember]

The peril cost isn’t unusable now

So yeah trauma is like one of the strongest staffs

[tender terrace]

what are the good blessings

[weak galleon]

others don't have such warp economy, at least not with the blessings I have.

not even close.

[olive ember]

Warp flurry + rending shockwave is the go to

[spice veldt]

though quell speeds are so fast nowadays

[olive ember]

Ik some people swap rending shockwave with focused channeling

[spice veldt]

the peril economy and range advantage it has does not overcome its absolute lack of cleave

[weak galleon]

Yes, except when you quell, you dont block and don't stagger.
Void has practically 100% uptime where it matters for me.

*actively quell.

[olive ember]

You can dodge tho

[spice veldt]

i mean if you value uptime over everything else

[olive ember]

It takes 2 seconds to quell to 0

And you can dodge

[tender terrace]

is quicken a bait

[olive ember]

Yes

[spice veldt]

takes two ticks (~450ms) for me to quell to 75% from 100% to get a full trauma blast off

[olive ember]

Unless you want to play melee psyker like all those zealots do

Quicken is bait

[spice veldt]

and should groups of crushers arrive, I will be able to damage more than one of them (and deal better stagger)

[olive ember]

Basically the main reason you want the CDR from quicken is to capitalize from the AOE CC

Which you really only use if you are trying to advance into a group of shooters

[tender terrace]

so you use?

blaze or barrage

[olive ember]

I use pretty standard setups so blaze for purge barrage for everything else

[tender terrace]

bb still basically useless?

[olive ember]

Ehhh it’s a situational tool

Basically crushers, bulwarks, and if you need to deal with enemies that are super far away

[spice veldt]

it's always been good, but it received a damage buff and warp unleashed affects it now

[olive ember]

Like snipers or bombers

They need to buff it to one shot pox hounds tho

Even if the tryhards of psyker chat don’t want it I feel like the average player would like 1 shot poxhounds

It feels nice to

When those fucking dogs get their heads blown out as they fly to space

[ornate hamlet]

Each time I don't one-shot a hound is painful

[kind jay]

you sure about that?

@edgy kite

[edgy kite]

that wasn't a heavy stab

Know how I know? Illisi doesn't stab

[ornate hamlet]

I'll kill flamers and ragers, two of the most "I don't give a fuck" enemies in a single BB

Then the small sick dog is like "nah bro, my head is too strong"

[olive ember]

I mean I’m aight with flamers one shot at high peril

I want those fucking hounds to be one shot tho

[ornate hamlet]

I think flamers are at uhhh

6 charges WU

I remember them having a bit of a breakpoint

[olive ember]

I can kill em with 4

Pretty high peril tho

Like max peril

[vestal rose]

how are u gonna brain burst the dogs
theyre literally too dumb to die to mind tricks

same reason you cant bb your teammates

[meager plinth]

use warp to create brain, which staggers them, then burst it

[kind jay]

you can brain burst one shot anything. just have derpy talk to it about surge staff until it's brain explodes

[fresh steeple]

guess which staff the other Psyker was running 😛

[olive ember]

voidstrike

[fresh steeple]

Voidstrike actually does damage sometimes

try again

(also guess what type of map it was)

[olive ember]

I mean

nothing from the map says much

if its low scores all aroudn prob something fast

so assassination

[obtuse moth]

Low stagger number, high Crit rate

[olive ember]

or hab dreyko

oh no I know what staff they are using

[obtuse moth]

Probably surge

[olive ember]

I'd say they prob did an assassination mission

cuz

8k boss so thats either two boss spawns or one boss + one assassination target

but judging by low scores all around

probably a quick match

[karmic delta]

who's the other psyker and why is the choice of staff so significant?

[spice veldt]

only 19.7k melee damage with surge huh

there's a lot of machinery interacted, so probably hab dreyko

[karmic delta]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/13hb1jd/im_starting_to_have_matches_where_people_are/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[karmic delta]

Guys we shouldnt really be using mods to name or shame anyone here

it gives merit to the whole FS "no scoreboard" thing

[kind jay]

no one is really doing that. there's always going to be a few bad apples

[karmic delta]

yes. why things like these should be rightly shutted down. when the bad apples are out

because they are

[safe crystal]

If you dont like people judging your performance, and you get them in your game, the 'Recent players' tab exists. Block them, bam.

[karmic delta]

if only things were that simple. and you know its not

[safe crystal]

It is exactly that simple.

[hidden crystal]

Pox hounds shouldn't be hard to hit, hard to dodge AND complete tanks.

[fresh steeple]

well, I'm the one that's highlighted, so the other is DeerMan

and the significance is how little damage they did in the mission. So guess what staff they were using and how they were using it.

[karmic delta]

you guys won the mission?

[fresh steeple]

I meant mission modifiers. It was sniper gauntlet

and they never used a single BB on one

[karmic delta]

@fresh steeple did you guys won the mission?

[fresh steeple]

yes

[karmic delta]

then whats the problem here

[fresh steeple]

there's no problem, per se

[spice veldt]

they take 3x melee damage; the only time that poxhounds have been a problem are when teammates shoot at them and stagger them instead of letting dogs come and fight them one-by-one, causing dogs to just build up

[karmic delta]

good

good

[fresh steeple]

I'm just being snarky about a Surge psyker using the staff on poxwalkers and never using BB on a Sniper Gauntlet mission

[spice veldt]

once you have enough practice, you can just smack poxhounds out of the air

[hidden crystal]

Well, they've not picked up any ammo, so I'm guessing it's not a trick question of "they brought a gun".

[fresh steeple]

I already answered it. They were a Surge Psyker who didn't use their melee weapon or BB and almost exclusively spammed Surge on dinky mobs or hiding from snipers while the other three of us killed all of them

[kind jay]

they succumbed to unlimited power

[fresh steeple]

I didn't say much to them besides a single "Use BBs with me when snipers spawn"

[feral verge]

shieldgryn and lvl 19 vet? cya

[fresh steeple]

gosh, stop being judgmental of player levels!

there was a reddit post and everything!

[crystal jolt]

damnation?

[feral verge]

🤡 🌎

yes, damnation

[crystal jolt]

yeah i'd dip

[feral verge]

i only play damnation

[crystal jolt]

lol

[spice veldt]

damn where are you getting all these lvl <30s

[clever root]

[fresh steeple]

they show up in my pug missions sometimes

[spice veldt]

I get none of them on NA west

[feral verge]

i rarely get sub level 30s

[fresh steeple]

not often, but sometimes. I leave, too, tbf

[feral verge]

NA east

[fresh steeple]

unless the other two people are adjudged to be experienced and able to carry them

or it's low intensity

[spice veldt]

i want all the kills

so I'm fine with shitty players

[crystal jolt]

i had a 16 and a 27 on a high int heresy shock tropper earlier

we got through it

[safe crystal]

I got them regularly as well on EU, but the low level vets tend to be far better than the ~30's

[fresh steeple]

I don't leave missions if a person has a low "extra level". Only time I do it is triple- or quadruple-psyker runs, or runs with people sub-30

[meager plinth]

Sometimes it’s just someone with experience leveling up their other characters

[fresh steeple]

and, again, if it's low int

[fresh steeple]

even if the person theoretically knows what they're doing and it's an alt, they're still using lower gear and missing talents, and... like, just get to 30 first.

but yes, sometimes that's the case

[meager plinth]

It’s not the lvl 30 talent that is gonna be game changer

[fresh steeple]

it's not an automatic eject button. If's more a "if one guy is 20 and the other two are brand new 30s and we have no Vet"

[meager plinth]

Tho having an underleveled shieldgryn is a massive red flag

[spice veldt]

as long as they can stay alive and not troll me by blueballing me out of poxhound kills, then I'm fine with them

[fresh steeple]

I just realized they renamed the "solo a monstrosity penance" by accident

I don't like it

[edgy kite]

They need to remove the bullshit "must be done in private game" flags

[meager plinth]

Previous name was better

[edgy kite]

I pugged that shit, it's easy

[fresh steeple]

why? I thought it was a good change

[limpid halo]

I still need to do that penance

i have all the others

[safe mountain]

well that's the previous previous name, think alpha or beta

[edgy kite]

Because it's easily doable in pug games, just ask the rest of the party if they're willing to let you try

they either say yes, or no. That's it

[fresh steeple]

it's not a matter of it being easy or not, per se. It's that those penances require antithetical gameplay with your team, and they should volunteer to sign up for it instead of joining a game and having someone say "We gotta do X right now!"

[edgy kite]

Yeah but that isn't how it was

[fresh steeple]

it's simple enough to make a team request post here

[edgy kite]

you'd ask the other 3 people, and they'd either agree to it, or not

yeah but it's just extra work for something that wasn't needed

[meager plinth]

Yeah, but that’s not how it went usually

[edgy kite]

People were literally getting all the penances flagged as "private game only" before in pugs, simply by asking the party

[fresh steeple]

sure as hell was for me. I had several people who would sabotage games if they didn't get to do it, especially Zealots

"I'm doing flesh wound, start running"

and then they aggro half the chamber, skip mats, kill themselves, and quit the run

[vivid saffron]

Not until solo lobbies are a thing

[edgy kite]

I feel like people drastically exaggerate how often that happened

[meager plinth]

“Let me solo the boss” proceed to die and ragequit

[vivid saffron]

Also not true. it WAS a problem

[edgy kite]

I had one zealot in over 300 hours do that

[fresh steeple]

it happened to me often enough that I just said that it personally occurred, multiple times

[edgy kite]

Never had an issue with psykers asking for the penance, everyone always agreed when they asked

had one zealot ask for the penance once, everyone said "nah we're struggling" and he was fine with it

[fresh steeple]

it only stopped happening when I made a full Damnation transition because none of those guys would join Damnation maps

they were assuredly not the majority of people who asked

but there were more than enough that it was really obnoxious

[edgy kite]

Well, like i said, over 300 hours and I barely saw it at all, people with less hours than me said they saw it happen all the time, which makes me wonder who tf they were playing with

[meager plinth]

Bad apples are pretty common

[fresh steeple]

Vets would also do it with MESC and quit the moment they missed a shot, though that one isn't flagged as private-only this time

[edgy kite]

and i got all those "must be done in a private game" penances in publlic matches, so, eh

[fresh steeple]

and has been changed to 90% accuracy

so it's a lot less garbage

[meager plinth]

They are all possible, but now it won’t negatively affect randos

[fresh steeple]

I have over 500 and saw it many times in Heresy. People have differing experiences.

[edgy kite]

People are gonna be dicks regardless

[fresh steeple]

sure, but now they have no incentive to be dicks over that specific thing

[edgy kite]

You say that, i've seen more people leave games since the change ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[meager plinth]

What

[fresh steeple]

I asked politely for my Malleus, and also would help other Psykers who asked. I'm not suggesting that the saboteurs were a pandemic

[edgy kite]

What?

[fresh steeple]

I am saying that they existed, regularly enough to be commonplace especially in Heresy games, and got regular complaints on forums from people whose games they griefed

and clearly FS agreed

[edgy kite]

Sure they existed, but from my POV, not enough to inconvenience the majority

[meager plinth]

Which change?

[edgy kite]

The penance change to private games only

[fresh steeple]

I'm guessing he meant "the most recent patch"

[edgy kite]

Since then I've seen more people insta-leave the second they go down than before

cos they can't be fucked to wait for a revive? I dunno

[fresh steeple]

see, now that's a correlation without any basis. What does the most recent patch have to do with people leaving games after being downed?

[safe crystal]

Could be they fucked up their 'dont go down in 15 games' penance, which is why they rage quit asap

[edgy kite]

It's something i've observed a lot more since the recent patch, that's the correlation

i don't know the reasoning why.

[safe crystal]

Im not sure if it counts them going down if they do

[fresh steeple]

the only thing I can conceive of is that the patch brought back a statistically significant number of flighty players who quit once and get angry at minor inconveniences

[edgy kite]

I had more social interactions with players pre-change than i have post as well

No one says a damn word anymore, i don't even see people say "gg" at the end, previouslyl someone would ask for the penance and then the communication would just keep going throughout the mission

[meager plinth]

That doesn’t sound related

[edgy kite]

It does, someone asks for help with something, people agree, the conversation just keeps going

Now, what reason does anyone have for starting up a conversation?

You don't need to ask the party for anything

[olive ember]

Well

normally i dont have good things to say about randoms

im perpetually salty

so all I say is gg at the end

[edgy kite]

That's the most you get now

"gg" at the end and nothing else

or just some salt

[meager plinth]

Idk I often get ggs

[fresh steeple]

oh?

[olive ember]

yes

can't you tell?

[fresh steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/i-was-really-surprised-by-this-sungwon-cho-prozd-it-was-surprising-i-didnt-expect-that-gif-26270619

I use voice chat in almost every game I play because like hell I'm going to type in a FPS unless I absolutely have to

and I've never seen any correlation between chattiness and patches

there's simply an undisputed very large majority of people who enver say anything

or, if they say anything at all, do so only after constant prompting

either in voice or typing

[safe crystal]

The only thing that gets me salty is people saying the bowling ball staff is bad compared to the rest

[edgy kite]

Nah, previously you'd ask people for help with penances, and people would be more chatty since you asked at the start

[fresh steeple]

I don't really read into it. It's clearly just not a thing a lot of people in this game are either comfortable doing, or enjoy doing

[edgy kite]

since the change i haven't seen anyone say a word, except from salt or 'gg' at the end

[fresh steeple]

trauma because it knocks over pins, or void because it shoots the ball?

I'm guessing void

void is bad compared to the rest. Statistically so. That doesn't mean Void is bad. It just means the others are better at what they do.

it's like Antax Mk 5. Really great weapon on Psykers. It was heavily meta at launch. Get it with BM and it's a fantastic push and horde clear. Then Illisi released, and it's not used except by the few people who haven't gotten a good Illisi somehow. Does that mean Antax is bad? Definitely not. But Illisi is just flat out better

[safe crystal]

Stop it

Nooo

My feelings

[obtuse moth]

they do have to volunteer to do malleus monstronum. its nothing like the zealot penance. every single person has to purposefully not hit the boss at all to ensure the psyker gets the penance. if you dont agree with it you can easily invalidate the penance in a few seconds

[fresh steeple]

why would you feel bad? You're not a Voidstrike staff. Use it if you wish. Anyone who uses it well will perform well

[obtuse moth]

its much lower dps and utility once you get to good staves on damnation. doesn't mean its not useable

[edgy kite]

The only penance that i understand having the private game only tag on it is the zealot one

but then that wouldn't be fair to zealots, with the other 3 not having any, so i feel like fatshark just threw the tag onto 3 random penances

to make it 'fair'

[fresh steeple]

Vets don't have one

it's just Flesh Wound, Malleus, and the Bull Rush one

[edgy kite]

The bull rush one makes no sense

[obtuse moth]

they picked the wrong one, the blow yourself up to kill 3 enemies one is the one antithetical to teamplay

[fresh steeple]

they changed it to 1, btw

also it is

[obtuse moth]

i know they changed it

[fresh steeple]

also I refuse to even get it XD

[obtuse moth]

doesnt change my opinion

[fresh steeple]

it's the only Psyker penance I don't have

well, that and the two "For the Emperors" you get after finishing it

but I agree it should have been private-only even with the change to 1

literally killing yourself for a penance is about as anti-team as can be

[edgy kite]

Again, another penance i easily got by asking the team for permission

I just don't see the issue

[fresh steeple]

you don't see the issue because you're not someone who rages, apparently

[edgy kite]

If one person going down bricks a run, it was probably doomed anyway, or they were carrying

[fresh steeple]

those people exist, and they got regular complaints from others on this discord and on reddit and on the FS forum

so FS responded by changing the penances

[edgy kite]

The thing is, the vocal minority always complain the loudest to look larger than they actually are

[fresh steeple]

it's a gaming company. I'm quite sure they can look at internal gameplay statistics and see whether it was actually a problem or not.

[spice veldt]

i agree; people chasing penances are a vocal minority

[obtuse moth]

some people don't enjoy their teammates int-ing or playing leeroy jenkins

[edgy kite]

This is fatshark we're talking about

[obtuse moth]

and thats a perfectly valid opinon to have

[fresh steeple]

silly argument anyway. It's already done, and I don't see them possibly changing it, so I'm done talking about it

[obtuse moth]

i'm fine with people trying penances but i also understand other people have limited time to play

[fresh steeple]

gonna go eat some gumbo. ttyl

[safe crystal]

Well, yes, but do the other staffs have a funny crunch that generates a random amount of noise depending on the angle you hit at enemies, hmm? Yes, im aware i could get better results with trauma and purg but cba learning trauma at this point, and purg is boring

[spice veldt]

imagine being unable to start a sprint while casting

couldn't be me

[obtuse moth]

theres nothing wrong with liking something thats not S tier because it brings you joy when playing. if you want to pretend its S tier at the same time, more power to you. we just won't 🤣 (also if the sound makes it S tier for you, thats okay too.)

[safe crystal]

Yaya, no worries. Bowling > everything else, case closed

[obtuse moth]

thats probably them crashing out

[edgy kite]

Nah, none of them ever return

[obtuse moth]

i know a lot of people who's load times won't let them back in in time

[edgy kite]

It's always the players who run off full rambo and insta-drop, they don't get picked up in time, so they full die, then they just leave

[obtuse moth]

going through the loader and all the space space and character selection is a pita that you have to get through the second you can if you arent running modded in order to get back in

[edgy kite]

it's definitely not a crash

[obtuse moth]

ah

[edgy kite]

Plus the game lets you rejoin before you get to character select

Past the first splash screen it'll say you're in a game in progress

[obtuse moth]

you still have to pay attention to each step very promptly in order to get back in

[edgy kite]

Nah, literally just have to push spacebar once and that's it

[obtuse moth]

oh nice

[safe crystal]

Its this, case closed. People desperate to get this

[obtuse moth]

dont you still have to click reconnect?

[edgy kite]

Well yeah, but it's hardly a lengthy process

[obtuse moth]

launch launcher, press launch, press space, press reconnect

thats 3 separate times that if you delay too long or miss you won't get reconnected to your game, esp if you have long loading times

[edgy kite]

I've seen people crash and rejoin 2-3 minutes later

[obtuse moth]

idk many people trying to farm that on damnation

[edgy kite]

There's a pretty good grace period

[obtuse moth]

my friend times out all the time if they get dc/d

and thats modded and skipping all that rigamarole

[edgy kite]

If you crash/freeze on the load back into the mission, yeah you ain't getting back in

But i feel like that's a rare error

[fresh steeple]

there's a program that automatically reboots the game if it detects a crash

[fresh steeple]

and reconnects don't occur unless another person joins after the initial grace period. I had a problem with a mod that caused load screen crashes after the patch, and took some time to fix it. After the second crash I determined it was a mod and tried to figure out which one it was. Took well over 5 minutes and was still able to reconnect by the time I logged in the third time around

also, for the record, I'm not arguing they should have made those penances private, and never advocated for such a thing. I was, in fact, surprised they did so. I only contend that it's not a surprising change on their end.

also back to my gumbo

yup

[spice veldt]

your cardio

[fresh steeple]

but that's frankly the case with all Psyker staffs. Even the longest-range ones often aren't even close to being in range of gunners in long corridors

just gotta BB and/or dodge-slide into range

[edgy kite]

Force sword with deflector and W

[fresh steeple]

or use BB 😛

run Quicken and you can get off a lot of them pretty quickly

dodge toward them with force swords

[spice veldt]

yeah, getting shot will stagger you out of a sprint even if you have toughness

simply don't get shot

ideally, your team doesn't aggro ranged patrols early so you can just get the jump and close in on them before they shoot

[edgy kite]

Once you use a force sword with deflector, it's hard to use any other melee weapon honestly

[spice veldt]

when they get prematurely aggroed, then it becomes a bit annoying

[edgy kite]

That's your average vet player. "My class is all about guns, so i will only ever use guns"!

[spice veldt]

vets are pretty ok in my experience

hard to go wrong with a gun

[edgy kite]

I love seeing vets who are clearly good at aiming and taking out elites/specials, suddenly get dropped because they refuse to swap to their melee weapon for a horde lol

[spice veldt]

the better players that I've met have been vets

[edgy kite]

Eh, they seem better because the class is just easy

[spice veldt]

sure, but there are some genuinely good players like the one IAG vet that was doing a good job killing ranged enemies

one of the few players to outdamage me

[edgy kite]

I feel like with vets, a lot of them don't prioritise the right targets

[spice veldt]

the other was a bolter PC power sword vet

[edgy kite]

They should be focusing gunners first imo, but so many just seem to see a taggable mob and insta-go for that

[spice veldt]

nothing wrong with that

I do that too

I want my CDR and the god damn kill

[edgy kite]

Well, no, but vets with counterfire handle the regular gunners so much easier than anyone else

and everyone else can kill the elites just as easily

[spice veldt]

sure, but I'm not going to worry about people who aren't playing optimally

[edgy kite]

and the regular gunners are the bitch on higher difficulties

[spice veldt]

once you snipe the gunners/reapers (and the fucking bulwarks), it's (usually) fair game to run in and melee most of the time

[edgy kite]

If there are gunners scattered all over the place, that should definitely be the vets focus first imo

[spice veldt]

sure

[feral verge]

cool

im ready for the update

[edgy kite]

That's a juicy number on the purg

[feral verge]

yea it's a very sexual purga

[fresh steeple]

not 380, please vendor

are you even trying to select the right RNG?

[feral verge]

Yeah ik I'm pretty bad at the game

[fresh steeple]

admitting you have a problem is the first step in recovery.

[granite mauve]

bad at pressing the gambling button for 5 hours straight

[feral verge]

I wish I knew how I got that purga

Cuz I have no idea

It could've been a melk, empra gift, ect.

[olive ember]

I kinda like the

simple black mask ngl

[fresh steeple]

got a 380 Purg sitting collecting dust

I don't think I've used Purg in several months

[feral verge]

I have almost 600 hours

Have yet to see a 380

[granite mauve]

have seen plenty

[fresh steeple]

it's almost perfect, but the Warp Flurry wrecks it

[olive ember]

I've seen a couple

[olive ember]

either shitty stats or ruined by hadron

[granite mauve]

shitty stats usually

[fresh steeple]

I've got about... 30 or so?

[granite mauve]

like something at 30%

[olive ember]

oh boy a 380 illisi, but its 60% damage or some shit

[fresh steeple]

seen several more than that, but I didn't even bother to buy them because their base stats were fucked

[frozen osprey]

noooooo you gotta use the vr mask!!! ):<

[fresh steeple]

usually damage as a stat dump

[granite mauve]

don't care about getting a 380, just need something with nothing below 68 or so

[fresh steeple]

I'm not against future-proof purchases, but I don't anticipate them having a "swap X and Y stat" option at any point, as nice as such a fantasy could be

[olive ember]

Ngl

that shit looks goofy

[fresh steeple]

what shit?

[granite mauve]

nah, it's awesome

no need for eyes

[tender terrace]

oh i just played with you

[fresh steeple]

ah

[olive ember]

idk having a toilet bowl is just kinda

[granite mauve]

yeah that's your problem for having hair

[frozen osprey]

):

[fresh steeple]

yeah, not a fan. I like my characters' faces

[olive ember]

It feels like I put a muzzle on my character ngl

[granite mauve]

bald gang

[olive ember]

I mean i guess thats half the point

but

[feral verge]

Widget the ogryn?

[fresh steeple]

seems to be a minority opinion that fucked up, radiation-scarred, sunken-eyed people are peak 40k aesthetic

[tender terrace]

yeah

[granite mauve]

it's the realistic approach for someone who's been living in 40k

[feral verge]

Based

[fresh steeple]

I'm surprised we don't have more options for bionic limbs, frankly

[tender terrace]

oggy is pretty silly now, able to get away with a silly amount of things

[fresh steeple]

hopefully they add those as cosmetics

[fossil parrot]

That'd be sick let me replace the weakness of my flesh

[olive ember]

it also doesn't fit with the rest of the set it comes with

like

[granite mauve]

i got has many fucked up scars on my psyker's face as possible

[feral verge]

I feel the same about psyker

[granite mauve]

he's a freak man

[olive ember]

you have this huge giant metal muzzle+blindfold thing on your head

and then you are wearing prison rags

[feral verge]

I play like a better zealot lol

[tender terrace]

yeah i think im gonna try that out

[tender terrace]

what are your feats for this

[fresh steeple]

what a beautiful old man he is

[feral verge]

Let me find the pics on here, I just got off PC

[granite mauve]

i mean yeah, the muzzle / blindfold is here to silence's said prisoner's psychic powers

[long wharf]

I've never seen that hair style on a guy before

[granite mauve]

or some shit

maybe so he doesn't read your mind

[fresh steeple]

first time for everything 😉

[long wharf]

I guess so

my psyker wears the visor because cyberpunk is cool

[fresh steeple]

I liked imagining him as being horribly scarred on one side of his face, so his hair can't grow properly

hence the eye burns and the bionic

[granite mauve]

the vet shot the poxbomber that he was trying to shove back

[feral verge]

This is my main build.

[tender terrace]

ty sensei

[feral verge]

This is my secondary build with more melee emphasis

Even tho I always emphasize melee

[olive ember]

uses kinetic shield

instant disqualification

[feral verge]

I'm always at high peril

Get on my level

[fresh steeple]

anyone know if they finally fixed Relay Station mats?

guess I'm gonna find out. Definitely not in the mood to do Hi Int Shock Troop 😛

[feral verge]

The number one tip I can give for the playstyle is just to always be dodging/slide dodging

[tender terrace]

yeah i assume its pretty similar to zealot

[feral verge]

On avg I take 200~ DMG a game

Yeah it's even better than zealot

Cuz infinite dodge

[tender terrace]

right

[feral verge]

For curios I got 2x HP 1x Stam

Sniper resist x 2, Stam Regen x2 sprint efficiency x1, and gunner resist x1 blessings

For my main build, I'll use purga and/or ascendant blaze for one or two gusts vs a horde

Then swap to sword

The burning dot will activate slaughterer when sword is out

Thus letting the sword + dot to do even more damage

[tender terrace]

wildfire doggo?

[feral verge]

That's why my damage is bloated in every game

Nah I don't use wildfire

I try to float around 80-100% peril

As a rule, I try to never go below 60% peril

[tender terrace]

that one game was pretty awks getting stuck in corner with 2 mutants

[feral verge]

Yeah, I was wondering which game it was I saw you

I thought for sure it was lost at that point lol

[tender terrace]

yeah

standing around with my thumb up my ass hitting corner obj

[feral verge]

I didn't have the space to one shot headshot the muties

I blamed Jeremiah, I think his name was lol

The vet that got downed twice

In the beginning of the event or whatever

[tender terrace]

yeah

you just BB annoying things in the back occasionally?

[feral verge]

I bb pretty frequently

Sometimes I don't do it enough

Like I'll try to melee an ogryn group

Cuz it's fun

[fresh steeple]

that was the fastest 100 to 0 I ever had with a group. wow.

[feral verge]

But then I take unnecessary damage and realize I should've just been safe with bb instead

[fresh steeple]

we went for the first part of Relay without, like, a single point of damage

and then the vets failed to take out some high-above gunners and all of us died at the last part of the first gauntlet

[feral verge]

Pretty much if something is out of range of my purga, or me rapidly slide dodging towards it, I'll bb it

[edgy kite]

Melk literally has two oranges for me

the rest are purples

what a prick

Not even good oranges, asshole

[obtuse moth]

i mean if the purples have a good base stats or t4 its a great discount

[cyan portal]

Can fairly reliably push pox bursters, curiously.

[crude cape]

played almost only psyker for long time, have the other classes around 10...whats your guys 2nd favorite class besides psyker? not sure who to focus next lol

[forest coral]

I think i enjoyed zealot most after

vets fun for an occasional power trip

[karmic delta]

Veteran just because they're the strongest right now

[forest coral]

Plasma is very close to a 'psyker' feeling weapon

[spice veldt]

veteran because I like guns

[forest coral]

fun thing bout vet is

once u unlock bolter and it has damage around 30% ish early on and some semblance of pinning fire

itll still one shot most human specialists during volley

[karmic delta]

yep

you really just want to build pinning fire stacks which is super easy with the Bolter. You pretty much one shot most Shooters and Flak elites

if not two shotting them most of the time

[forest coral]

i made a second vet just to see how quickly the class could get to 30 playing casually

tbh once you've already unlocked stuff for the meta guns

you'll still casually breeze through the lower difficulties until you unlock heresy+

and having cycler iv on some bare stat powersword was still the same blender experience

[karmic delta]

even a T3 Power cycler is still busted xd

[forest coral]

hue ye

i never had cycler until the nerf

so after nerf i just ended up with the same sword after getting it

[karmic delta]

pretty much

[spice veldt]

god damn pub surge psykers

aggroes ranged and melee patrol ahead, dies to them, and then immediately DCs

[hidden crystal]

I'd volunteer to get out my lasgunpsyker, but I should really be going to bed.

[fathom adder]

"I was CC'ing them, it's the team's fault for not DPSing them!"

• Pub Surge Psyker in between trying to kill hordes with his lightning staff

[desert vault]

Greetings siblings. What do y'all like to have on your trinkets?

[desert vault]

The last difficulty 3 mission I did I opened my mind to Khorne and spent the whole mission charging ahead in melee with an Illisini while the Zealot struggled to keep up. : )

[spice veldt]

I run stam regen, toughness regen, and toughness

[fathom adder]

I use 1x +3 Stamina, 2x Health.

Stamina one is only there because it massively improves the efficiency of Kinetic Deflection, for some reason. Would never have guessed.

I like Block Efficiency, Cooldown Reduction, and Sniper Resistance.

[fresh steeple]

Zealot

complete opposite gameplay of how I usually play my Psyker

[fresh steeple]

the past five games I've had have had a Surge Psyker as well, and precisely one of the five was actually competent with it and mainly did "competitive with the rest of the team" damage with his sword

the others have all spammed Surge staff only on weenie mobs doing less than a third of the damage of the next lowest guy

[fathom adder]

It's what I always tell people, a Surge Staff build is a melee build

[fresh steeple]

good luck trying to reroute someone's entire method of gameplay via in-game chat mid-mission, though

[fathom adder]

Not to mention, if you bring a Surge Staff the map will be 90% Dregs, guaranteed

[tardy trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/doin-ya-mom-gex-snoppis-nahgu-l-gif-18365178

[fresh steeple]

this guy. This guy is the only Surge Psyker I've seen all day that played reasonably properly. Props to Placide.

[fossil parrot]

How do you get that screen?

[fresh steeple]

Scoreboard mod, and then I clipped a portion of the screen with Win+Shift+S

[crude cape]

ok, giving it a try right now, lvl 9, fun so far! i like the ranshad axe + braced autogun combo so far

excited to try 2h chainsword and thunderhammer