psyker-class

[rain birch]

Lmao

Feels bad

[orchid shadow]

You're better off farming up enough money and plasteel to upgrade straight from gray items from the Brunts section than wait for the Milk man to deliver.

[rain birch]

@orchid shadow yah I figured my luck with brunt’s is ass too lol

[feral verge]

it can take awhile, but it's worth it

youll get good shit

play on damnation for best plasteel/cash drops

[shadow wigeon]

Deflector/Unstable/Uncanny all have different play styles. Deflector is great for clutch defense (shotgunner, wall of shooters, 6 reapers) when you're playing aggressively, but you really only should need it a few times each game. Just using it for defence doesn't accomplish very much.

[rain birch]

Hm I c yah I hate shooters so that sounds great for me

Now if only could get it t4

Can’t wait to see what utility the 2 hand force sword will have later on

[shadow wigeon]

T1 is good enough honestly.

The difference in tiers doesn't matter much

[rain birch]

Ah I got a t3 already so ig I’ll just keep recycling that

Till I get a 380 or soemthing

[shadow wigeon]

And Kinetic Deflection, of course

w/o KD it's... not amazing

[rain birch]

What perks r best?

And kid is the feat or?

Kd*

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah

[rain birch]

Ah I c

Hm

Kinda plays into the peril damage buff too interesting

[shadow wigeon]

Perks... flak, then maniac, unarmored... really as you like it.

[shadow wigeon]

And Quietitude, which I would recommend running with it

[rain birch]

Ah I c idk why I took carapace

[shadow wigeon]

Illisi or Deimos?

[rain birch]

Illisi which kinda makes me love warp absorb more

Cus if I clear like 3 with one special swing I get full tough back

Feels like pre nerf power sword kinda

[shadow wigeon]

+cara on Illisi isn't great, no reason to be swinging at a crusher with Illisi deflector sword.

[rain birch]

Do u take flayer or warp battery? I get battery is more beneficial but keep it up is a pain and I tend to take cerebral laceration instead of communion

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah WA is very strong, it's a bit polarized - lots of toughness when you're fighting, very little when you're not. Quietitude is more balanced, and gives you more control. Whatever you prefer.

[rain birch]

Ah ok

Ah I see I feel like I tend to gravitate toward a battle mage play style I can’t wait till we get the 2 hander sword and I can go full on zealot cosplay lmao

[shadow wigeon]

Depends on your staff, although Flayer is an option to skip Communion (if you want to do that).

[rain birch]

Hm I c

Ur right idk why I didn’t realize that

Kinda got take one with the other

Lacerations just feels necessary cus of bosses ig idk

[shadow wigeon]

Assuming you want warp charges for something, which you don't absolutely need, but most builds are happy with full warp charges.

[shadow wigeon]

It's not necessary but great for your team

[rain birch]

Yah I like the idea of communion too it’s just people don’t tend to group up like they should sadly

Ig it’s all team based

[spice veldt]

i like my psyk aura

[shadow wigeon]

Aura is quite strong, depending on your team comp.

[rain birch]

Doesn’t that only apply to ur Allie’s tho or am I reading it wrong

[shadow wigeon]

You and your allies. It's not written well.

[rain birch]

Ah I c thx obese fish Lmao

I wish this could just be me already lmao

Gimme my big sworddddd

[frozen osprey]

Holy shit what is this from

I want it

[rain birch]

Fashion mod post on Reddit

Really hope we get it in the com link next week

[frozen osprey]

👀

I neeeeeedd iiiitttt

[rain birch]

Same

[frozen osprey]

The legendary 500 stat weapon

[rain birch]

Lol

[frozen osprey]

Idc if its a terrible weapon

Im gonna use it

[rain birch]

Same I bet it’ll be good

[frozen osprey]

Im really curious if or what staves we'll get in the future

[ornate hamlet]

executioner power sword executioner power sword executioner power sword executioner power sword

I have vanguard heavies I hate relentless heavies

[teal storm]

Where's this from? Data mining?

[mental rock]

he literally said where it is from

[karmic delta]

Cant decide on what blessing to put on my Trauma. Is Sustained Fire good?

[rain birch]

@teal storm fashion mod

[primal plume]

Power weapon

Likely not for Psykers

Psyker weapons use the "Force Weapon" labeling

[mental rock]

warp flurry generally better

or focused channeling if you prefer a bit more safety

[rain birch]

It’s the 2 hand sword from the psyker trailer so most likely for psyker s @primal plume

[primal plume]

Ive never seen that

I just want new staves

[rain birch]

Look up psyker trailer YouTube

It’s in 2 different scenes for a little

Part of the weapons they teased before release and never gave us :\

[karmic delta]

Do you combine Warp flurry with Inner Tranquilitiy? The stack is depleted whenever you 're quelling Peril.

[rain birch]

We talked about that for awhile a bit ago @gleaming socket if ur scroll up u should c a good amount of info lol

[mental rock]

you can, I prefer warp unleashed because I run deimos and it helps me reach break points

[rain birch]

👌🏼

[mental rock]

warp flurry stacks will stay if you quell with F aswell

[karmic delta]

any other recommendations other than Warp Flurry?

[mental rock]

focused channeling is good

[karmic delta]

havent gotten that focused yet

[primal plume]

This?

[karmic delta]

what I have for t3 Trauma

I do have T4 Surge though

is Surge good?

[primal plume]

Surge for trauma?

[karmic delta]

yes

is good?

[primal plume]

Surge only affects the left click, not the explosion

its not good at all

[karmic delta]

WHAT

WHAT

Oh thank god I removed it

It didnt do shit when I put it on Trauma xd

[mental rock]

Surge only works for void strike right click

[primal plume]

Surge on trauma is as much as a meme as run n gun

[mental rock]

And left clicks but no one wants surge for the left clicks

[primal plume]

Run N Gun COULD be useful if it also applied to channeling

[karmic delta]

How does Sustained Fire on Trauma work exactly?

[primal plume]

to pair it with mind in motion for a very mobile psyker

but we cant have cool things

[karmic delta]

Does the 2nd and 3rd salvo mean the 2nd and 3rd time I hit a single enemy?

which means on the 2nd and 3rd I receive the 12.5 + damage?

[mental rock]

It means the second and third shot in a row

Without stopping

[karmic delta]

so on the 4th and so on it doesnt receive the bonus?

[mental rock]

Yep

You have to stop shooting/quell to reset it

[karmic delta]

so I tap/hold R for a second and it'll reset the salvos?

make sense

[mental rock]

Yeah

You could also quick swap weapons

[obtuse moth]

its going to be higher dps to just quell cancel your left clicks (immediately after firing, tap r then fire again)

it cuts the long aftercast and ups dps and cc significantly

[karmic delta]

elaborate more please?

whats this about long aftercast and ups dps and cc?

[lethal flax]

does anyone have quick advice on what's the most useful perk on trauma? flak armor vs unarmored, etc

[mental rock]

I believe he means the animation that stops you from switching weapons shortly after firing your staff

But this can be mitigated with macros

[spice oar]

Carapace and flak I imagine

[spice veldt]

I treat damage as my dump stat, so I like to have +unarmoured to reliably one-shot dreg bruisers (450 hp)

[karmic delta]

how do you do that without macros?

I dont understand here dx

xd

[spice veldt]

I like flak as my second perk for killing gunners/shotgunners

left mouse click -> quell -> left mouse click -> quell -> repeat

oh wait

[spice oar]

2HAF IS THAT

[spice veldt]

that's a heavy sword

zealot's sword

[spice oar]

fuck

[lethal flax]

ty ty, yeah i realized i could search for trauma after and saw you guys had a discussion on this like 3 hours ago. much appreciated!

[spice veldt]

our psyker arms were too weak to use it

[primal plume]

Its on the Psyker reveal trailer

https://youtu.be/bkB3Al45auA?t=57

[spice veldt]

behind the scenes, that psyker had to rest 3 days for his muscles to recover after using that heavy sword

[mental rock]

I'm not sure how it works exactly as I don't use macros, but I've seen some mods which make this work

[spice oar]

What would god have me do to get a daemon hammer

Or a glaive Holy shit a glaive

[primal plume]

its also seen a little after

[karmic delta]

I dont get it. need a video or more in depth explanation xd

Oh well I'll just keep doing what Im doing

[spice veldt]

oh yeah they're just talking about quell cancelling

[next zephyr]

just wanted to thank you guys who helped me with the penances

you are great

[mental rock]

here is an example of a mod which demonstrates it. it basically quick swaps your melee weapon so you always get the first hit in the sequence

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/148

I don't use it myself, just thought it was a cool idea

[karmic delta]

oh so thats what it does

makes sense

[obtuse moth]

@mental rock i dont mean swap canceling, i mean quell cancelling

noth: its going to be higher dps to just quell cancel your left clicks (immediately after firing, tap r then fire again)

as soon as the bolt leaves your staff you should be quelling for a split second

[mental rock]

yeah I knew what you meant, I was suggesting something different

[obtuse moth]

and then firing

ah, idk about it stopping me from switching weapons, only that it stops me from getting a left click off again immediately without it

[mental rock]

yeah in hindsight I dont really think my suggestion was that constructive, I just felt like mentioning that switching weapons is another way to reset sustained fire

[obtuse moth]

ah, that is def a way to do it if you do want to take advantage of the blessing

i think it was constructive, your point just wasn't immediately apparent

[mental rock]

aw shucks thanks sibling

[hidden crystal]

It'd probably be funny with my tiny French psyker.

(I didn't realise when I was creating characters quite how often that would lead to other players constantly blocking my line of sight).

[mental rock]

on the bright side we take cover slightly better

[hidden crystal]

Well yes, it is useful for playing jack-in-the-box brain bursts.

Pop up, lock target, disappear again...

[random cedar]

Dripped out like a tech priest

[mental rock]

check out this drip tho

the real ones go shirtless

while it lasts

[spice veldt]

I wish I made my Psyker as small as possible

[mental rock]

sad that I will have to go with pajamas again to show off the ink

[spice veldt]

I had some preknowledge about making it short, but it just slipped my mind during the character creation

[ornate hamlet]

For a second, I thought it's a Grail Knight's longsword.

[vivid saffron]

Why did Fatshark make the Old Penances worse by making them Private? Like why not just tweak the numbers to make it more manageable? How many different kinds of stupid are they?

[mental rock]

very

[spice veldt]

only the kill boss with BB is private

which I'm fine with

[mental rock]

well there are ones for other classes aswell

[ornate hamlet]

There's also the zealot wound one

[spice veldt]

but also solo privates aren't in the game yet

[mental rock]

indeed

[spice veldt]

the zealot wound one you could conceivably do pretty naturally

[vivid saffron]

Lmao, imagine someone has friends that dont play Darktide. Imagine not wanting to be part of a Strike Group

[spice veldt]

I guess they're being on the conservative side

[vivid saffron]

No. Conservative != stupid

Making these private is so laughably the wrong thing to do, I wonder of thse people even have the slightest common sense

[spice veldt]

back in the early days, there was a bunch of people asking to do the penance in pub games which was annoying

though it doesn't happen anymore

so just too late I suppose

[mental rock]

I think its established at this point FS has no common sense

[fierce sinew]

it's the obviously correct thing to do (as soon as solo private games are working), and anyone who disagrees just outs himself as a friendless troll tbh

nobody is amused by people griefing pug runs on funny haha cosmetics challenges

[vivid saffron]

Then making this an option when solo private games are NOT an option is also the wrong thing to do, and anyone who disagrees is a brainless shill

[fierce sinew]

got to stick up for the first right thing they do in a while

trolls can seethe, dilate etc

[vivid saffron]

Lmao. Imagine putting a diamond in a furnance and calling it a treasure mine

[vivid saffron]

Go back to your cave, foul dwimmerlaik

"Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your master"

[fierce sinew]

am already there my guy

stay mad

[ornate hamlet]

I think they should've allowed players to disable bots before doing that

[fierce sinew]

true solo mode is very overdue at this point, not sure what the holdup is

[ornate hamlet]

Getting people to do it in private games while not allowing solo privates and making people find a full team because the bots just keep attacking is ugh

[vivid saffron]

They should have allowed solo lobbies before making this haphazard rule. Or reworked the Challenges to be more doable

[ornate hamlet]

Either a full team or trying to kill the bot, which is just an extra nuisance

[karmic delta]

Until private games can be done Solo. Making some of the penances as Private for requirements are kinda dumb
Hell I dont' mind being helpful to randoms if they want to do some penance. Just make sure to tell everyone ure doing it before doing so

[spice veldt]

I'm fine with it but find it nevertheless annoying

[fierce sinew]

"I don't mind" isn't a good enough standard to force something on the whole playerbase unfortunately, and that's the alternative

[vivid saffron]

You find what annoying?

[spice veldt]

people asking to do the penance

[vivid saffron]

Then just award the Penances to everyone then. Or create solo lobbies. Or make them easier

[karmic delta]

Its not as bad as the first 3 months. people just doing penances that requires you to do stupid thing. Which Fatshark yes your penances are stupidly desgined

[vivid saffron]

Fair enough

[fierce sinew]

they did make new, easier ones, they just left the old ones in the game under another category for people with friends to do in private lobbies away from pugs

[vivid saffron]

Then who tf is gonna do it? You, Lt Whinestain?

[spice veldt]

i suppose the other problem is that they're still tied to cosmetics which people do want

[karmic delta]

exactly

[fierce sinew]

you're just mad that's there's something in the game that you can't do, because literally everything has to be for you specifically

[karmic delta]

the redacted ones are miles better than the new ones

[fierce sinew]

IE you're just a child

[karmic delta]

it follows the general red and black color scheme too

[vivid saffron]

Lmao. You're a funny guy.

[spice veldt]

the new ones don't seem to thematically fit, but I do like how they look in a vacuum

[vivid saffron]

Imagine being so many different varieties of wrong. Go back to your corner and dont speak to anyone for the next hundred years

[fierce sinew]

imagine being this mad your crippling autism has locked you out of playing digital dressup

go make some friends and do it if the outfit matters that much, whining won't unlock it for you

[vivid saffron]

Why tf would I go out of my way to unlock something that Stupid Fat made harder? I'll get it when they rework it

[elfin nexus]

i mean theyve had to rework dogs like 4 times i dont think theyll be changing penances anytime soon

[fierce sinew]

they also literally just did a pass over penances, probably going to be a bit before they're the priority again

[elfin nexus]

yeah

just stop crying and do them its not that hard

[vivid saffron]

Imagine being this autistic and shameless of a company. Any misstep is slwoly shuffled out of sight, and ignored forever more. Just like with Weaves in V2

[rain birch]

@primal plume definitely not a heavy sword when it swings the blade is completely different it’s a broadsword/great sword type blade so either psyker is getting that 2h power sword or they’re getting a completely different 2 hand GS

[fierce sinew]

especially when more classes, maps, weapons, content etc is what people actually want

[vivid saffron]

Why tf would I go through the trouble of playing with a friend? I can solo Heresy

[elfin nexus]

ill believe it when i see it

also heresy isnt that hard lol

[vivid saffron]

Thats my point. I want the option of getting it done solo. I'll get it when they make solo lobbies

[elfin nexus]

you shouldve done them before then

you had months to do it

[south zephyr]

It's... so... wut?

[vivid saffron]

Why? Literally why? I had to do it before FS had a braindead moment? Also thats your argument to someone who was playing other classes/games?

[fierce sinew]

it's a bad fatshark tooltip

unstable is actually the most damage outside of slaughterer and you want it

[vivid saffron]

How does it scale?

[south zephyr]

what does it do exactly?

[cold geode]

20/40/60/80% peril adds 5 power per teir

[fierce sinew]

it's 5/10/15/20% based on peril threshhold

[hidden crystal]

I'm really boring; I just use bits of the stuff that used to be the standard rank progression (I think it's changed to being handed out based on what difficulties you've completed missions on) - albeit with some Fire Wastes camo for a consistent red.

[split oxide]

Standard Game Design MEME:
the most useless looking tool is always the most OP

[south zephyr]

hmm, been using slaughterer and Uncanny, think I should swap to Slaughterer and Unstable?

[fierce sinew]

yes

[spice veldt]

depends

[fierce sinew]

it barely depends

it's mostly yes

[split oxide]

Uncanny is ok.. depends on how comfortable you feel toe-to-toe with crushers and maulers.

[elfin nexus]

i find its better to take unstable and use brainburst for armored enemies

[spice veldt]

rending does boost your stagger and killing crushers/maulers if you so please

[elfin nexus]

makes dealing with other enemy types easier so why not

[rain birch]

Is unstable better on purgatus or nexus crit or damage?

[south zephyr]

Can always swap back to uncanny later if I want to, but here's my illisi atm (rip no t4 slaughterer)

[fierce sinew]

unstable doesn't exist on purg

[spice veldt]

I do think unstable power is better in the general case though and it allows you to one-shot groaners with the minimum cleave damage

[fierce sinew]

I wish it did

[vivid saffron]

This is honestly a different level of bad takes. As if you had to have done it on time like an assignment lol

[fierce sinew]

that would be godlike if it did

[spice veldt]

not sure if you can do that with t3 slaughterer though

[fierce sinew]

would be bis

[elfin nexus]

uh oh the vets having a babyrage

wah wah

[vivid saffron]

Purge though accumulates Peril so slowly though

[fierce sinew]

but it stays at 100 indefinitely with flurry if there's enough density

[vivid saffron]

Wow. So mature. So enlightened

[spice veldt]

seems to be a heavy sword MKVI

[vivid saffron]

Flurry was what again?

[hidden crystal]

Oddly though, it's a somewhat unique look if you're not playing at low difficulties.

[south zephyr]

still a solid illisi though, right?

[fierce sinew]

faster charging

[vivid saffron]

Hmm, true enough

[spice veldt]

yeah solid and I just realized you have +unarmoured for one-shotting groaners

[mental rock]

damn me and this team just tore through a damnation in 18minutes

[spice veldt]

I prefer +maniac for mutants and dreg ragers personally

[mental rock]

pubs go hard now apparently

[spice veldt]

yeah I've been getting really good pubs today

[rain birch]

@spice veldt idk what that would be doing in a psyker spotlight trailer unless they’re gona give them to psykers which I highly doubt or it would of been done already, also a 2h gs was leaked during beta when the weapon icons leaked so yah like I said seems were getting either a 2h Ps or a 2h gs or both

[south zephyr]

using shredder, muties/ragers kinda melt to that well enough that I decided to go UA on melee

[rain birch]

Either way I’m hype

[fierce sinew]

once it's stacked you get a full charge almost immediately, and you won't blow up until you're done flaming. If you proc battle meditation at any point during that big flame (easy to do if there's enough bodies in front of you) you don't blow up, even if you started flaming at 100. So you take another full charge and repeat

[vivid saffron]

Go cry in your corner, you elitist pig. You and people like you are why I didnt bother with Elden Ring. As if there's a time to get stuff done. My point is about solo lobbies being a thing. That's it

[spice veldt]

it's an old trailer so they presumably just rescinded the idea of giving psykers heavy swords

or at least for psyker psykinetic

maybe for a subclass with stronger arms

[cyan notch]

wtf did elden ring do to u lmao

[fierce sinew]

you have your shout to use if you get unlucky and can't find a battle meditation proc, and you get to chill on 100 peril the whole time until then

[vivid saffron]

What class would that be? Its literally Psy-kinetic. Meant for moving large objects

[spice veldt]

makes sense if you've got that dps option already

[south zephyr]

chasing perfection at this point, but yeah

[vivid saffron]

I asked a question about how to pass through an area and got called seven different kinds of names. I refunded it immediately

[ornate hamlet]

"Before" the game didn't have solo private lobbies, and it still doesn't

[vivid saffron]

Thanks

[cyan notch]

LOL

[fierce sinew]

scroll up a bit, you'll be glad you did

...or depressed

[vivid saffron]

Which one are you?

[vivid saffron]

Cannot wait for Rending/Pinning Fire to get nerfed/reworked ala Power Cycler

[south zephyr]

for psyker curios perks, been going gunner/sniper resist and whatever not useless third I can get, what do you all recommend?

[spice veldt]

nooo not my rending

I like stam regen and toughness regen personally

[vivid saffron]

Toughness Regen, Toughness Regen, Toughness Regen

[cyan notch]

toughness + toughness regen + snipe resist

[vivid saffron]

Good choice

[south zephyr]

does toughness regen have any weird/unintended effect with Quietude?

[spice veldt]

toughness regen only affects regeneration from coherency

[wet belfry]

Toughness, sniper res, sprint efficeny.

[south zephyr]

that's what I thought, but this is afterall

[vivid saffron]

Yes. Its too unearned. Imagine not needing the Plasma to deal with Mass Armor. Imagine shooting basically bigger bullets at the enemy and them sohow piercing slabs of armor. Its unreal, that combination on BOlter. It just needs a rework

[spice veldt]

I think essence harvest used to stop coherency regen

at the very least, there was a buggy interaction with one of our feats and coherency regen iirc

[vivid saffron]

Do we know when the next patch is? Next week?

Also is there a place to really tell Fatshark exactly how big of a booboo their lack of solo lobbies is? Or are they already working on it?

[karmic delta]

This is how an Inquisition sanctioned Psyker looks like

[hidden crystal]

You could try complaining on a forum. That always works.

[vivid saffron]

Hmm. Whats a forum? Steam? Reddit?

[hidden crystal]

(Sarcasm may be present in the previous comment).

[vivid saffron]

Sarcasm doesnt affect me. As in I have no concept of it

[rain birch]

@spice veldt seems you’re right closer look at the blade shows it’s edged like the HS still tho I don’t think the weak arms argument is a good one for why psykers can’t get a 2 hander lol I’m sure some psyker has hit the gym at some point in 40k lol I’ll hold out hope for that power sword 😩

Especially since every class except psyker has access to power weapons

[ornate hamlet]

Even psyker does tbh

They can use chainsword

[rain birch]

That’s a chain weapon

[ornate hamlet]

[rain birch]

Power weapon references the power field on activation

U Gucci lol

Thx again for that penance last night btw king @ornate hamlet

[ornate hamlet]

tbh tho using a two-handed melee isn't even much of an issue for someone already trained with melee weapons to the level the psyker is

[rain birch]

Yah I mean if the dude can handle the perils of the warp I’m sure he can swing a big stick around lol

[hidden crystal]

I've got a lot of the fancy cosmetics. Not yet the one for soloing a monster, and there's some of the new ones I've not quite played enough yet to grind through.

But I picked the savant voice, and the simpler designs somehow feel more appropriate for a fairly "by the book" ex-enforcer.

[ornate hamlet]

Man's already trained to use knives, swords and axes, along with several gun types and staves

[rain birch]

Love the savant voice gives me Doctor Voodoo vibes from marvel

If I’m thinking of the right voice

That’s the one that says the enforcers just used him and disdained his talents right?

[ornate hamlet]

I'd be willing to bet the longer guns like the headhunters weigh the same as a standard greatsword

[rain birch]

I hope ogryn gets a big ass sword

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, savant is the African guy who doesn't shut up about enforcers and culture factoids

[rain birch]

Like a berzerk level sword lol

just a slab of iron

[hidden crystal]

In this case, it's the female savant, with the French adjacent accent.

[rain birch]

Yah his voice lines are a bit bland I like the VA tho

Very occult/suave

[shadow onyx]

DRED SHOTGUNNER

best line

[lethal swan]

Dreg*

But agreed

[rain birch]

Drowning…drowning…

[shadow onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/dredd-burn-watching-apathy-karl-urban-gif-20285124

[fierce sinew]

psyker "2 handed" sword should be held with zero hands, suspended and manipulated in midair ramlethal valentine style, change my mind

[ornate hamlet]

"oh damn bro the markets in this fucking warzone are closed, pretty sad we cant buy starch slabs to take home, like, this shits is pretty unparalleled amirite lol"

[rain birch]

Lmaoo

[ornate hamlet]

ngl tho I adore the savant lines

[shadow onyx]

psyker is not some waifu weeb shit, leave that to eldars

[rain birch]

Would it be more likely for zealot to get a Witch hunter esque outfit I’m assuming?

[ornate hamlet]

the character feels kinda nerdy, but is still a capable killing machine with all sorts of weapons

So you get a character that is both cultured and skillful

It's basically Sokol from Payday

Sokol is a god in the lore

[hidden crystal]

Actually, I do rather like the fact that they made one of the voices a local resident.

[karmic delta]

YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT CULTURE? NOW!

[ornate hamlet]

He is a pro hockey player, designed the BFG the team uses in one of the casinos and still finds time to be one of the most polite and well-spoken heisters

[rain birch]

Was watching that new hammer & bolter episode and that witch hunters outfit was sick lol hoping we get something similar to wear

But 40k inspired

Ik I saw a mtg Warhammer card for inquisition where a chick had a witch hunter outfit on

[shadow onyx]

pretty sad with the voices tbh, you either have the crazy one, the edgy low tone voice and the scottish/african/french

[ornate hamlet]

It's one of those cases in which I actually prefer the character to not be an outsider or a blank slate

It feels immersive to hear the savant talk gleefully about random shit on the planet

The other ones seem to mostly comment on events outside the planet or stuff in front of them

[hidden crystal]

Well, all the psykers are a bit odd in the head - but at least the savant isn't hallucinating or shouting at the others to stop thinking so loud.

[spice veldt]

yo my beloved told me that someone was talking smack

[ornate hamlet]

Savant and agitator are mint

One pesters you to see the camelid racing and the other calls you an imbecile while saying a dude half a galaxy away provided stairs

[shadow onyx]

spoil ! he is not hallucinating he actually talk to the emperor who is now near god since the great rift

[ornate hamlet]

I love the agitator's indignation at everything

She goes down and is like aM I AbAndoNEd

The best part is she fakes it

[hidden crystal]

Yes, I think the savant voice actually does a lot to flesh out the world.

Although I can't say it would be a bad thing for the missions to actually show us a hive city that wasn't just empty of everything except traitor scum.

[ornate hamlet]

mood

[fierce sinew]

would probably hurt immersion more than help

[hidden crystal]

Well, right now, the missions feel like there's nothing you're really protecting.

It's all empty facilities with no workers.

[fierce sinew]

presumably the civilians who fled the warzone

as tends to happen in most conflict, fictional or otherwise

factory workers hanging out for the battle would be pretty jarring

maybe some mutilated civilian corpses or something

[hidden crystal]

And none of the funny voice lines like we got in Space Marine: "This sector is understaffed by 100%. Please rectify."

[fierce sinew]

more casualties like the ogryn by that one hab dreyko medstation

the role strike teams play as being airlifted into already active combat zones makes encounting any "normal" worldbuilding activity kind of hard

if things were such that civilians could be around still, we wouldn't be there

[restive slate]

I want some more horror elements like a random civilian who turns into a poxwalker before our very eyes

Or better still, Chaos Spawn when it's released

[hidden crystal]

It wouldn't always work, no - but it feels like there's unexplored potential for different mission types.

A mission in Throneside to extract an important noble. Being deployed to rescue an Imperial Guard company that's been cut off. Buying time to evacuate a hab block. Capturing a survivor of the water cartel because the Inquisition need to beat the knowledge of his smuggling routes out of him for military purposes.

[flat moat]

wheres a good spot to do cliff hanger at ?

[fierce sinew]

a bunch of the extractions where mobs are still spawning

[hidden crystal]

I think I completed it on the final run on Hab Dreyko, but Vigil Station Oblivion's final hacking has a lot of places you can yeet hordes off.

[fierce sinew]

pretty much any of them where the ship is on a platform the mobs have access to, kite them around back, block for a bit to make sure there are enough there, collect your bacon

[restive slate]

I used Trauma at any spawn door during a horde, there's an edge inside that they can be pushed off

[lethal swan]

Did sedition get significantly harder all of a sudden?

That last mission was ...not sedition

[karmic delta]

Fuck you Judge

[spice veldt]

ayo what the hell judge

also nice name

[lethal swan]

Firefly?

[olive ember]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/13grfv5/25_bonus_dmg_for_5_sec_doesnt_really_do_much_half/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

What difficulty is this guy playing on

[karmic delta]

Malice

Cerebral is pretty good against bosses

and Ogryns

Brunt's RNG store gave me a solid. Thoughts? What blessings to replace here?

[hidden crystal]

I don't much rate Precognition myself; although, yes, you will often be dodging in order to trigger it, +10% Weakspot and Crit Damage isn't thrilling.

[karmic delta]

is blazing good?

not really planning to use Obscurus, yet. Waiting for a buff

[spice veldt]

not particularly

requires a crit blessing to be reliable and even then Soulblaze itself is quite average

at least with blazing, you occasionally see fire effects

precognition is likely to be buffed though

[hidden crystal]

I don't think it's spectacular, but then I seldom rate Blessings that relate to Crits unless they're really pushing the crit chance up.

How much your Talents are built around Soulfire could skew that though.

[cold geode]

sooooo....

[dusk sierra]

my quest for a voidstrike that has native transfer peril/warp flurry continues

in the meantime, I think ditch carapace for crit chance?

ik it's not flurry peril but alas

[cyan moth]

Cant say I really use any other staff than Surge

I've heard voidstrike is good though, but not so much against carapace

Could be wrong

[spice veldt]

at least for surge, it is beholden to a target limit
but Voidstrike is beholden to a cleave limit of 6. From a usability perspective, I dislike slow fire-rate projectile weapons especially when ping is thrown into the mix. From a performance perspective, it almost certainly underperforms when any amount of density or melee elites are involved.

[cyan moth]

This is true, although the stun on the surge is why I enjoy it

Especially because the MKV force sword is an amazing crowd clearer

[dusk sierra]

what's an ideal surge look like?

/what are the dump stats

[orchid venture]

Surge is probably one of the strongest weapons in the game, but only specifically against small groups of shooters that are hiding behind cover spread a fair distance apart

[cyan moth]

It's very situational

The range and auto lock on is good

[cyan moth]

The blessing that offers quicker charge times on the second and third charge is good

Perks I'd suggest are

Flak

Unarmored or maniacs

[dusk sierra]

is grabbing crit worth it?

[cyan moth]

Ehhhhhh

I don't

Up to you really

[orchid venture]

I'd also really like the voidstrike if the orb detonation did anything substantial

[spice veldt]

crits don't have that much more damage, and people talk about increased stagger from crits although I have not observed that personally

[dusk sierra]

and unarmored/flak because you do fat damage vs carapace right

[orchid venture]

I'll still use void though, it's just a worse trauma

[cyan moth]

It already does okay agaisnt carapace so you're pretty good with grabbing other perks

The main reason I use surge is because too many times I've seen entire runs get ruined over a mutant charge or dogs leaping onto myself or people

So being able to stop them literally in their tracks is amazing

[orchid venture]

Make sure that you grab +1 stamina and crit damage up on all of your weapons so that when you fail, you can blame the game instead of yourself

[cyan moth]

Real.

[restive slate]

Stairs apparently stop mutants as well now

"RAAAAAAA- ...oh, stairs, gotta turn... -RAAAAAAAAA"

[orchid shadow]

Ideally, close to this. Crit % can be switched out for manic too. Dump stat is Quell speed.

[green sphinx]

aye i noticed that, wasn't like that before was it?

they'd curve that shit so hard before

[restive slate]

Yea old mutants were deja vu'ing so hard

[dusk sierra]

Ty Simon

Shout out to the one day at mutants literally couldn't do anything

[restive slate]

Just sit in the corner roaring like a toddler on a tantrum

[lofty storm]

so i haven't crafted anything yet, should i craft curios first?

[kind jay]

i wouldnt

i'd do weapons first until i get usable stuff

[spice veldt]

maybe if you have materials to spare
I personally only stick to two weapons, so I end having a bunch of spare plasteel lying around to be dumped into curios

for me, I developed my curios first after getting some basic t3 blessings for my weapons and figuring out the playstyle I liked the most

[obtuse moth]

get a useable ranged and melee weapon then get toughness regeneration speed on 3 interim curios imo

not perfect, the goal is to get something halfway good in every slot before you start dumping mats into projects/rabbit holes

then you can go over everything with another pass, and go from there

make sure you are buying curios consistently in the armory along with high rated weapons and filler blessings

[shadow wigeon]

Every stat is useful on Surge, but quell is the easiest to compromise on.

[obtuse moth]

peril resist and charge speed are the most useful

the rest are icing, but a surge staff will work if you have those two

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, they are the most important to get the best function out of it.

Damage and Crit chance go together for dealing damage

[spice veldt]

ah right I keep forgetting about the LMB for crits

[obtuse moth]

crit is important if you want more cc

since it gives crit chance and crits do double the stagger values

they also do roughly double the damage on surge too :3 like miles said

[spice veldt]

the table says that it has double the stagger, but it doesn't seem to change anything as far as I can see

[fierce sinew]

the entire point of surge is cc that completely sidesteps the stagger system

[obtuse moth]

enemies seem to build up stagger resist sometimes in my experience but idk

maybe they just had a second of stagger immunity

[cyan portal]

there is an older video guide that explains the very complex stagger mechanics

[obtuse moth]

doesnt change that crit does good damage on surge

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah crits help you get to some breakpoints, just with such a high crit rate

You can 2-shot (full charge) a rager at 6 stacks, but 1 crit and 1 non will do it at 0 stacks, for instance.

[cyan portal]

https://youtu.be/t8_VTP2mglo this one

surge seems to just ignore all stagger resistance from what I can tell

[shadow wigeon]

(and Nexus 4 can get you crit chance to 35-40% quite quickly)

[obtuse moth]

what makes it so that sometimes the target you're stunning doesnt get stunned?

assuming it actually is hitting the intended target

[small flicker]

ok so what's the difference between stagger and soulblaze

[obtuse moth]

soulblaze is the burning thats unique to psyker

[small flicker]

because the purgatus staff seems, to me, far more effective than the force lightning one

which just semi uselessly zaps a few enemies

while the purgatus staff can flame a whole crowd and is faster to charge

[cyan portal]

soulblaze is a damage over time, the purga does a ton of stagger though, it just won't stagger a few things that the surge can

[small flicker]

I just need to survive crowds that always aggro to me

[south zephyr]

Psyker curios so far, prob not the best, just went for standard gunner/sniper resist, any suggestions as to what I should make that purples last bonus?

[cyan portal]

toughness regen is better than sniper resist. Getting hit by snipers is a skill issue, just duck and dodge and they will never hit you.

[south zephyr]

can't dodge everything all the time, bound to get hit by one eventually

I'd rather not get 1 shot, no issues with toughness either

[small flicker]

my main issue as a psyker is dying by my own stupidity being shot five times in a row by a single dude with a lasgun burst

and sometimes there's a group of them, shredding through what little toughness and health I have

[spice veldt]

snipers will sometimes merk you without little chance to dodge unless you are paying insane attention at all times

[cyan portal]

nah, it is actually easy to avoid them all.

[spice veldt]

I have a clip of a sniper shooting me from behind with ~300ms between the first sighting of the laser and the shot

[obtuse moth]

Surge is a utility staff that both CCS hard targets and specials while only really dealing damage to those types, with the right click at least. With unarmored targets you're better off spamming left clicks if you want damage @small flicker

[south zephyr]

and that's why I prefer having sniper res

[cyan portal]

1/3sec is plenty of time to dodge or duck. Just gotta ingrain the reflex

[south zephyr]

chrono jail

[small flicker]

followed by a few seconds of holding R to quell your peril

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/x7d88g

[obtuse moth]

It can push poxbursters all the way across a map, stop mutants midcharge, permalink crushers, ragers, open up bulwarks etc

[south zephyr]

yeah....

[cyan portal]

yeah, you hear the noise, you should instinctively duck, easy

[crude trout]

isn't there a bug with the sniper that sometimes after acquiring a target but said target hid and you appeared the sniper shoots without any sound cue?

[small flicker]

voidstrike seems marginally useful, because trying to lock onto a single big ass target amongst a sea of smaller targets always gets the head of someone else

never works for me

[crude trout]

I sometimes get shot without any sound cue

[small flicker]

so it's me filtering through targets trying to brain burst the brute

[spice veldt]

training for snipers seems to be hard to ingrain the muscle memory without some custom map

[obtuse moth]

Nope, as long as you're not at 97% when you cast you won't blow up. If you use the true peril mod you can cast when it shows 99%. You can CC with an instant cast the same as with a full charge

[small flicker]

I can only assume CC is crowd control

because I haven't memorized everything else

[obtuse moth]

Ye, that's what surge is mainly for

[south zephyr]

@cyan portal going back to the original question, would you recommend toughness regen as the final perk then?

[small flicker]

I'm not too well versed in timing yet, finally realized that I can quell once I go to 100%

but it gives you a second or two to realize it, before the unavoidable animation starts, barring you having your pushback ultimate

[cyan portal]

Yeah, it is what I run. Getting back to max toughness is best way to avoid all dmg.

[obtuse moth]

You can also press F if you mess up to save yourself

[small flicker]

that's the pushback ultimate yes

if you don't have it, and you wait that second or two to realize, yer fucked

[obtuse moth]

The animation doesn't start at 100% unless you perform an action that generates peril

[small flicker]

which is almost all the time with me

mostly because I will step one foot out of cohesion and get swarmed

[cyan portal]

my opinion on curios is gunner resist (because you will always be hit by some stray bullets), toughness regen (because you'll always take some toughness dmg), and ability regen (so you can be extra greedy with ults)

[south zephyr]

speaking of ability regen...

[obtuse moth]

Gunner resist fwiw doesn't affect shooters

[south zephyr]

never thought I'd willingly give up communion

[obtuse moth]

Aura is really good on barrage builds

[cyan portal]

ability regen is front loaded, so stacks fine with aura.

[spice veldt]

gunners are few enough in numbers and can be sniped; and reapers are staggered by a single bolt, so I generally don't consider gunner res worthwhile

[small flicker]

I just like purgatus, feels like I'm doing something even if I'm not

the ground circle thing, sucks

[south zephyr]

max is 4% x 3 right?

[crude trout]

well Purgatus does decimate a horde

[small flicker]

exactly

which is 70% of what I'm fighting

[cyan portal]

yeah, takes off 3-4 seconds

[crude trout]

I sometimes take surge to take out flak shooters from safety

but it struggles killing unarmored targets

😦

[south zephyr]

aside from toughness regen, I wish curios had more meaningful perks

[crude trout]

fave staff is trauma tho

[small flicker]

I would rather take out hordes and maybe throw a few brain bursts out

[obtuse moth]

Purge trauma and void can all take care of hordes fwiw

[small flicker]

wait trauma is that right click is the ground explosion thing right

[crude trout]

yes

[small flicker]

that staff always sucked for me

[spice veldt]

trauma has rather hard stat scaling

[crude trout]

yeah it does get some time to getting used to

[spice veldt]

so it sucks at lower ratings

[obtuse moth]

Yes, it gets much better when you get a high stat one

[small flicker]

see me: level 18

[spice veldt]

its charge rate, for example, scales from 2.5 to 1 second

makes sense

[crude trout]

and yeap it needs some good stats for it to feel good

[crude trout]

man I really hope they buff surge charge time

[small flicker]

that is literally every weapon or item in existence

[crude trout]

ah no I meant trauma is more dependent on it

[small flicker]

pfff

[crude trout]

liek what Arco said

the scaling on charge time goes from 2.5 to 1

[small flicker]

surge is alright, voidstrike is cool

purgatus is great but holy shit the range sucks

[spice veldt]

range is meh but the infinite cleave more than makes up for it

[small flicker]

I'm sorry the what

[crude trout]

you can also slide while charging up your purgatus

[spice veldt]

voidstrike has range but little cleave

[crude trout]

and yea it has infinite cleave

[small flicker]

the fuck is cleave

[spice veldt]

the purg cleaves through all enemies, including crushers, except bulwarks and walls

[south zephyr]

ability to hit multiple targets, through multiple targets

[crude trout]

the ability to do damage to multiple targets

[obtuse moth]

That's not really true, some weapons are good regardless of stats. The ubiquitous example is the mg xii infantry lasgun

[spice veldt]

the ability for something to go through an enemy and hit another enemy behind them

[small flicker]

Oh, so penetration

[spice veldt]

I use the term "cleave" since that's what the game uses

and I don't want to get it mixed up with rending/brittleness

[cyan portal]

lol yes but no, penetration is ignoring armor

[small flicker]

That seems like something the Ogryn would use more than a psyker

cleave

plus, the group I play with often have never touched psyker, between the four of them

so I'm having to learn all this second hand

[obtuse moth]

Cleave is the amount of hitnass something can go through before it stops basically

[south zephyr]

speaking of cleave, remembered that I got this earlier from the Big E, worth keeping around?

[spice veldt]

it's only BB where initiating the cast at 98%+ (97.00%+) will kill you (I don't actually know if it's 97.00% but that seems to be around that number. The game seems to round up for peril% when displaying truncated values)

the other staffs and force sword specials can be safely cast except at 100%

[fierce sinew]

even then they can be if you can proc battle meditation during the cast

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I have no idea how it works, but you can release surge at 100%, depending on something something, didn't push it too hard.

[cyan portal]

maybe you're releasing it at 99.9% ?

[fierce sinew]

if blowing up cared about your peril when an action finished bb at 97 would still kill you

and mid channel battle meditation procs wouldn't save you

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah it's probably just a sync issue

[cyan portal]

i was of the belief that "releasing" anything at 100 peril would blow you up. (bb left click is released at start of charge, bb right at trigger)

[spice veldt]

I think that BB's RMB follows the 98%+ rule as well?

lemme see

nah it doesn't seem to

[fierce sinew]

you can fully charge purg at 100, let the entire thing rip, and if you proc battle meditation during it you don't blow up even in you finish at 100 again

[cyan portal]

warp resistance factors into that trigger point. most staves have some and so its higher than the 98% of bb. But with the warp resist feat you can bb up to 99%, or something.

[obtuse moth]

idk the safe point to advertise for people not using True Peril

[formal ridge]

what are you dump stats on surge staff...

[hollow bronze]

what fucknut gluesniffing dipshit programmed Keep Your Distance i have completed it over ten times now and yet the counter remains unchanged

[shadow wigeon]

They're all good, but quell is the easiest to giv eup

[formal ridge]

I know with 77% warp resistance u can get an extra charge in

[spice veldt]

the behavior is prob that it prevents you from entering the perils of warp or takes you out of it when you drop below 100% such as when an enemy dies from soulblaze while you're in the anim and procs it

[cyan portal]

Yeah, obviously anything that drops you below 100 will stop you blowing up. Purga is very forgiving around high peril

[shadow wigeon]

And as we've been discussing, warp res/charge rate are really the key stats

Or "priority" really

[fierce sinew]

it pretty clearly doesn't matter if you go to/over 100 as long as you start whatever action below whatever specific threshold it has, or go below that threshold during the action

[formal ridge]

im actually trying to build one all night, but brunt not giving me the perfect one lol

all my dockets have been surge staffs

[fierce sinew]

the threshold is specific to the peril generating action, and has been mentioned as being adjusted in patch notes in the past

[cyan portal]

standard purga trick is charge and release at 99% peril, chain full charge again at 100%, if battle med procs, repeat, if not proc ult and repeat, repeat repeat etc for infinite flames.

[fierce sinew]

even if you keep holding the flame at 100 for multiple seconds you don't blow up as long as you went below earlier in the channel

[shadow wigeon]

Huh, didn't know that. I can BB at 98 with tranquil, but it feels like it might be a sync issue.

[spice veldt]

ah that's what you mean

[formal ridge]

going to roll this one up now

[shadow wigeon]

Remember to re-bless the first blessing.

if it's not flurry or nexus

[fierce sinew]

and since we know channeling builds peril, unless it magically stops at 99.9 or whatever hidden float, the blow up trigger can't be going over some value

pretty sure that's not purg specific either, just really obvious with purg because of how long the channel is

[formal ridge]

unfortunately i dont have terrifying barrage so i have to farm it lol

and i didnt get it yet

[fierce sinew]

it's not hard, penances just decide not to trigger

and then you randomly get them all at once several games later

[shadow wigeon]

Wrong penance 😮 mb

Oh that one... huh... yeah that shouldn't be hard. bummer

[shadow wigeon]

I mean, farming T4's is still a thing... unfortunate but still.

[formal ridge]

it is nexus but t3 so im gonna still rebless to terrifying if I can find it

i have t4 nexus and flurry but no terrifying of any level

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah that makes sense then

[formal ridge]

hadron wont fool me this time

[shadow wigeon]

It feels like... keeping the total item level high increases chance of T4's. It's anecdotal but I've only been rolling 375+ lately and the rate of T4's has been nuts...

[formal ridge]

I believe it

[cyan portal]

wouldn't that be, if it IS flurry or nexus but not rank 4?

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I just thinking in T4 land. Absolutely that is the correct advice.

[lofty storm]

every void staff ive tried feels like ass

is it hard carried by blessings?

or enabled by blessings rather

[obtuse moth]

blessings let you infintiely cast at the max flurry speed

[cyan portal]

transfer peril is a game changer for it yeah

[obtuse moth]

full charges

[lofty storm]

mainly been using trauma/surge

haven't used pergatus since launch, how is it now?

[shadow wigeon]

It's the weakest of the staffs, but transfer/flurry at least lets it do what it wants to do.

[lofty storm]

ah got you

trauma feels a lot better than i remember it

[obtuse moth]

if you feel each individual full charge shot is weak, blessings won't change your mind about voidstrike

[fierce sinew]

trauma has been buffed multiple times since launch

[obtuse moth]

imo surge is still the weakest

[lofty storm]

really?

[shadow wigeon]

Damage wise, yeah, I meant overall

[lofty storm]

i feel like it's so valuable

[fierce sinew]

void and surge both suffer from non-unlimited cleave

[lofty storm]

i prefer trauma to it

surge is not focused on hordes

[cyan portal]

surge is weakest dmg wise, but possibly the most impactful on hi intensity shock troop

[obtuse moth]

quell cancelling can make it much better

[lofty storm]

good for staggering groups of elites

[lofty storm]

moreso it just feels like im hitting them with a smaller aoe trauma staff that hits like a wet noodle

[fierce sinew]

I'd honestly much rather have shield ogryn than surge on any map hi shock included

[shadow wigeon]

Trauma/Purg/Surge are all good on hi shock, it depends on your team comp

[obtuse moth]

its mostly a straight line headshot machine

[lofty storm]

glad im back on psyker after my foray into vet & zealot

[shadow wigeon]

Personally I prefer bringing surge to shock hi, since most teams already have the damage handled.

[lofty storm]

you're meant to hit the head with it?

[obtuse moth]

yes

[lofty storm]

ive been using it like fireball from vermintide haha

cos mechanically it feels the same, just weaker

[obtuse moth]

shoot it at head height and watch it cleave through a horde

[ornate hamlet]

bowling staff

[lofty storm]

how does it function then? after each headshot it has an aoe explosion or?

[cyan portal]

You either know some very skilled shield ogryn or haven't met a skilled surger.

[obtuse moth]

it goes through multiple heads and does weak splash too

[terse saffron]

transfer peril void cleaves through unarmored/infested hordes and even some no helmet bruisers

[lofty storm]

ah right, ill give it another go then, ive just been using it wrong them

aiming for centre of mass for aoe

[shadow wigeon]

Void is only really great situationally - med/long range hordes. Outside of that, it feels like a bit of a struggle, compared to other staves

[spice veldt]

voidstrike's epicentre has a cleave limit of 6 when fully charged

[obtuse moth]

for every head it goes through you'll quell 2-5% depending on the blessing tier if you have transfer peril

[spice veldt]

groaners having a hitmass of 0.75 and poxwalkers having 1

[shadow wigeon]

It FEELS great to use....

[lofty storm]

yeah ill wait until i get some blessings

[obtuse moth]

void is fine if you quell cancel rapid fire for situations if you get overwhelmed

[lofty storm]

ive been playing heresy/damn, but all my gear is white-blue for the most part

unless i get a really good blessing, im just focusing on well stat gear

[obtuse moth]

it still doesnt kill as much as trauma or purge when playing on damnation

[lofty storm]

i imagine purge with deimos is good

[obtuse moth]

it is

[lofty storm]

ive mainly been using illisi/deimos & trauma/surge, no particular pairing, whichever i feel like

[obtuse moth]

any tier transfer peril (on voidstrike) or flurry (on other staves) is going to be worth using until you get a better one

[lofty storm]

yeah i haven't dove into crafting at all, just buying whatever has good base rating/stat distribution

from my understanding ill want to buy any weapons that have those perks and turn them in for their blessings?

[restive slate]

No love for obscurus?

[fierce sinew]

the endgame gear grind loop is basically play missions farm materials+currency->buy a bunch of grays from brunts->consecrate the promising ones->salvage new blessings from the ones that don't make the cut

and checking melk

[lofty storm]

i haven't used it since release, illisi feels much better to ad clear, deimos deals the highest damage of any weapon ive used in DT

are blessings consumables or no?

[restive slate]

Can't deny the pokes of deimos

[fierce sinew]

there are mods that make the buying, rerolling, etc more streamlined, look into those if you value your time and/or sanity

[spice veldt]

the nerf to bloodthirsty ended my hopes and dreams for it when it coincided with the release of the illisi

[restive slate]

Blessings are shared

[spice veldt]

blessings are infinitely reusable

[lofty storm]

i think i have one, haven't delved into it

oh nice ^

[spice veldt]

just that they can only be used on weapons within the same weapon family

[fierce sinew]

old bloodthirsty with current swords would have been so sick

[restive slate]

The mods are such Quality of life

[lofty storm]

any you can recommend for crafting in particular?

[restive slate]

For mods? Reroll for Rarity

[fierce sinew]

I'll never get to set up 5 seconds of deimos crit h2s

[cyan portal]

buy until rating, reroll untill rarity, maybe barter_with_hadron

[obtuse moth]

reroll can also make the npc shutup which is nice

[cyan portal]

oh and Blessings of the Omnissiah is handy

[fierce sinew]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/100

[lofty storm]

yeah i think that's the one i have

[fierce sinew]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/30

[lofty storm]

what rating should i be aiming for minimum?

[fierce sinew]

these are the two essential ones in my opinion

[lofty storm]

does that reroll until a particular tier of perk?

or blessing

[fierce sinew]

you tell it you want t4 maniac for example

[lofty storm]

ah got you

[fierce sinew]

and it rolls until it gets it

[lofty storm]

i just need to get some starter gear crafted, as i said ive just been doing heresy/dam runs with white gear mostly

[fierce sinew]

it's much much much faster than a human would be

[lofty storm]

was thinking of getting curious out of the way, as i feel like they'll be most impactful

[spice veldt]

yeah the name is just a holdover from when it could only roll for a particular rating

[cyan portal]

hub_hotkey_menus is pretty handy for crafting sessions

[fierce sinew]

and the mute hadron option I consider to be too important a qol improvement to play without

[lofty storm]

i have a mod that sorts by base rating in the mean time

[cyan portal]

you want good weapons before curios

[fierce sinew]

when a new patch breaks dmf I don't play until it's fixed

[cyan portal]

370 (or well placed stats), with good t3 perks, before worrying about curios

curios are a crapshoot

[lofty storm]

hard to roll?

[spice veldt]

pretty much

[cyan portal]

yeah, massive pool, so requires extreme luck to get what you want

[spice veldt]

no mitigation mechanic like reblessing or refining

[lofty storm]

are you able to land 370 base gear as soon as you hit lvl 30?

or do you still need to build up from 350 - 370 post 30?

[spice veldt]

and curios being unable to be purchased from brunt's

[fierce sinew]

curios have 3 perks instead of just 2, but you still only get to reroll one slot. So you need to natural rng into double the correct perks that you do on a weapon

[cyan portal]

also if you play without any curios for a couple weeks at 30 you'll learn to avoid damage, which you should learn to do anyway

[spice veldt]

oops refining curio perks slipped my mind

[fierce sinew]

rerolling curios without the mod is even more despaige than weapons

[dry agate]

Whats the general consensus on melee, illisi with slaughterer and deflector?

[cyan portal]

yeah, illisi or demeos with slaughterer + deflector/unstable power/uncanny strike, mostly down to your preferred playstyle.

[fierce sinew]

whichever sword compliments your staff, slaughterer+unstable

[spice veldt]

if ignoring your choice of ranged weapon, then illisi is the top contender

[south zephyr]

yeah, this lets me RP as a BB Ogryn

[spice veldt]

but you can always make up the difference with something like the purg, so the single-target of deimos proves to be nice

[dry agate]

What exactly makes illisi so good? High cleave?

[lofty storm]

mechanically im pretty sound, would do true solo runs back in the day of VT, just getting back into the swing of things

[spice veldt]

higher cleave and a better damage profile when the special is activated

[lofty storm]

i thought blessings were consumable in crafting so ive been pushing it off haha

[cyan portal]

imo the best thing about illisi is no animation lock on special

[dry agate]

I am very new to psyker, hes the last i need to get to level 30 😂

[south zephyr]

you also get to stroke the sword when edging peril 😏

[restive slate]

Illisi rp-ing as a lightsaber

[lofty storm]

my ogryn isn't 30 yet, i cringe having to rely on pug ranger veterans

[restive slate]

Ranger Veteran? Bardin?

[lofty storm]

mag dumps into t1 melee ads while getting hit by them
refuses to acknowledge the existence of ranged enemies

[dry agate]

Gorgonum can turn you into a budget veteran lmao

I love it

[fierce sinew]

gorg is juiced

[lofty storm]

what's this?

is it the gun that functions like an LMG?

i see ogryns use that more than frontlining

[restive slate]

I can outperform vets with Gorgo at times

[cyan portal]

Yeah, its good practice then. But buy every green +3 stam, 16/17 toughness, and 20/21 health curio you see at the shop. Buy blue versions of those if they have a high rank of one of the few good blessings.

[dry agate]

The heaviest stubber variant, a ton of damage and almost sniper like accuracy

[lofty storm]

yeah ive been keeping an eye out for this, no luck so far, rng is rng

[formal ridge]

@_@

[restive slate]

I'm wet

[formal ridge]

still no terrifying barrage

so its staying exalted

[cyan portal]

Yeah, not many show up, but just buy and stockpile them. Make some good weapons, then roll up the curios till you get 2/3 good ones, then go back to weapons till you get t4 with great stats, then spend hundreds more hours trying to get 3/3 curios.

[lofty storm]

sorry for repost, but dont wanna risk auto spending all my money for nothing

are you able to land 370 base gear as soon as you hit lvl 30?
or do you still need to build up from 350 - 370 post 30?

[restive slate]

People use Terrifying Barrage?

[formal ridge]

im using it to block myself from getting 4 blessings I dont want on the next roll

[cyan portal]

you can get 380s as soon as you are 30

[south zephyr]

based on your current level, so yes, once you hit 30 you should start seeing up to 380

[lofty storm]

appreciate ya'll ^

[restive slate]

Smart

[formal ridge]

mmiles told me lol

[restive slate]

I wish I knew that before I grinded for my Surge

[fierce sinew]

you can also just tell it to buy 10 at a time or whatever and dismantle everything that was below n rating

[south zephyr]

how do these compare in practical use?

[fierce sinew]

unstable power is great and executor is mid

[south zephyr]

what makes the difference here? Executor should be statistically better, right?

[cyan portal]

unstable power has 4 stacks, at 80+ peril it is 20% power. executor drops all stacks as soon as you miss or stop attacking.

[south zephyr]

ah, that makes sense

thanks

[fierce sinew]

just another nonsense fatshark tooltip yeah

[south zephyr]

been fishing for t4 slaughterer, no luck so far

progress so far

[lofty storm]

How does acquiring/rolling blessings work?

I'm not familiar with DT blessings so I'll use VT ones.

Let's say you sacrifice a T3 swift slaying to obtain the trait.

You then have a weapon with traits A & B, you want to reroll trait B, This locks trait A in place, and you continue to roll trait B until you land swift slaying, is it possible for it to land at T4? Or only up to T3 as that's all you've sacrificed?

If you can only roll T3 (no T1, 2 or 4) as it is what you've sacrificed, are you able to only sacrifice a weapon with T4 swift slaying to keep the reroll pool small?

[cyan portal]

nothing like that

[south zephyr]

when you rebless, you replace one blessing with any blessing for that weapon category that you've unlocked, no rolling for it required, in the process the other blessing is locked and can't be changed

[lofty storm]

Oh wow

[obtuse moth]

yeah executor imo is way worse cause it can instantly drop stacks with a block, push, stagger, miss, weapon swap etc. takes time to ramp up too

[lofty storm]

I thought you had to roll it, that's nice

So you just pick the trait you want to go, and pick whichever trait you have unlocked?

[south zephyr]

@obtuse moth still can't get over the Chrono Jail pfp

[lofty storm]

How does that work with tiers?

[fierce sinew]

you have to roll one of the blessings you want since you can only replace one

replacing one locks the other

[lofty storm]

Yeah I get that

[spice veldt]

you earn each tier of a blessing separately

and earning a higher tier of a blessing does not unlock lower tiers for whatever reason

[south zephyr]

Let's say you have t3 Slaughterer, when you go to rebless, the highest version of slaughterer you can put on that weapon would be t3, when you eventually discover/unlock t4, you now have access to t4 slaughterer

[spice veldt]

if you have T4 Slaughterer for example, there's no practical reason for you to earn T3/T2/T1 slaughterer except for the purposes of collecting them

[fierce sinew]

ndhwar for example has t3 slaughterer but not t4, if you scroll up

[obtuse moth]

XD haha my raid group made it for me

[lofty storm]

oh so you don't have to keep reblessing slaughterer until t4, you just pick t4

[south zephyr]

yes

[fierce sinew]

yes

[lofty storm]

that's actually so easy

[cyan portal]

for a psyker there are about 6 blessings worth learning. I don't understand people who go about learning them all

[fierce sinew]

hedge against future changes making them relevant

[south zephyr]

For example, I have t4 Unstable Power unlocked, so I can just slap that on here, locking the t3 slaughterer from being changed (rip)

[lofty storm]

im glad it works like that, i always thought i had to only unlock the meta blessings to keep a small pool

so i was worried about balance changes ruining my plans ^

what's the best way to go about getting t4 blessings?

[fierce sinew]

they still can, don't worry

[lofty storm]

obtaining/unlocking them that is ^

[cyan portal]

upgrading to orange

[south zephyr]

as shitty and rng dependent the crafting system is, it's worthwhile to familiarize yourself with Hadron and the blessing section

[fierce sinew]

making 5 of the same class and checking melk daily with the browser extension

[cyan portal]

and checking milks daily shop

since the recent patch you get t4 going to orange more often than not

[lofty storm]

no i meant i misunderstood how the system functioned, i thought you had to roll the blessings, and the blessings that would roll would be based on which you have unlocked. so you'd have to keep rolling until you get slaughterer, then hope it lands t4 haha

[cyan portal]

two damn runs will earn you enough mats to make an orange

[south zephyr]

I remember the old days

[lofty storm]

do you get much higher mats in dam than heresy?

[fierce sinew]

you just have blessed rng

[south zephyr]

damn has a max of 800ish plasteel, so yes

[obtuse moth]

twice as high, failing a damnation halfway through gets you the same amount of mats

[fierce sinew]

you get a lot more

[lofty storm]

you only get the mats for the actual completion right?

[cyan portal]

it has held across like 40 oranges, and has worked for friends. pretty sure it isn't just luck

[obtuse moth]

you get mats even if you fail at a reduced rate i think

[fierce sinew]

yes

[lofty storm]

oh right

[south zephyr]

I believe it's based on mission checkpoints/progress

[fierce sinew]

you're saying you got 20+ t4 in 40 consecrates to orange?

[obtuse moth]

i thought it scaled based on time

[cyan portal]

yeah, i'd guess about 75%

[south zephyr]

you could spend an hour getting nowhere though

[fierce sinew]

my rate has to be like

a third

of that

lmao

[cyan portal]

in the past week or two?

[fierce sinew]

yeah

maybe 1 in 6

[cyan portal]

on good bases?

[fierce sinew]

I don't even see the sub 370s anymore

[south zephyr]

once you're getting consistent Damnation runs, there's no reason to ever go back to lower difficulties, the mats per hour drops considerably

[cyan portal]

maybe you have bad luck 😅

[fierce sinew]

lower than damnation is too easy to be really enjoyable anyway after a while

[obtuse moth]

you still have to pick up mats to get them

[cyan portal]

i have like 4 mil creds and 130k plasteel. I should record a vid just blasting it all as proof.

[static agate]

Is Warp Flurry any good on purgatus?

[south zephyr]

I have a problem... really enjoying illisi/shredder psyker, but playing it is gonna give me carpal tunnel

[cyan portal]

it is bis

[fierce sinew]

I still want a mod that just records consecrate results to a csv or json or some other format amenable to data analysis

[south zephyr]

proof aside, I would be interested in just watching it for the memes

[cyan portal]

refine keybindings and use macros, game isn't worth hurting your body for

[shadow wigeon]

In the last week, rolling only 375+, I have ~90% T4's. At blue and yellow. I went 16/17 and stopped counting.

[south zephyr]

it's the constant special activation for peril edging that does it, mostly because I broke that finger a long time ago and after a few hours of mashing the button, it starts to ache

[shadow wigeon]

Anecdotally another friend had the same thing. 8 T4's in a row, all since the last patch. Could be big a old coincidence..

[fierce sinew]

can always bind that to a key more ergonomic for you

[cyan portal]

maybe if they release new weapons. atm i have a god roll of everything that is considered good by anyone.

[south zephyr]

true

[lofty storm]

what macros do you use? i mainly just use ping

[spice veldt]

could set a basic macro for spamming your special activation at certain intervals on holding the key if you ever need it

[cyan portal]

I use autohotkey, so i can hold down r to spam special

[lofty storm]

thanks ^ do you get that amount of materials for completion? or is that the cap you get, only acquirable by finding the nodes in game?

[fierce sinew]

ahk is an option, you can also just bind ping to left or right click on top of whatever is already there

[south zephyr]

the "old" penance armor is nice and all, but there's a feeling the new stuff gives that just hits different

[fierce sinew]

that's what I do

[spice veldt]

there's no inherent material reward for completing games; they are all found on maps unfortunately

[lofty storm]

oh does that just use your special, then heavy or light swing, rinse and repeat?

[spice veldt]

they apparently moved some material pickups to be near the main path more so it's less of a pain to find mats

[orchid shadow]

I can add to that anecdote pile now. My RNG has been flat out terrible rolling for blessings, but I now have my T4 Slaughter and Flurry after about 6K Plasteel. I probably spent 10 times that pre-patch and got nothing higher than T3.

[fierce sinew]

I mean you could always bind ping to some random key and just have ahk mash on it constantly for you so you ping anything you look at

[lofty storm]

i just have a toggle macro that spams pings, in vermintide id be spamming alt 24/7 while playing which fucked my wrists temporarily

[cyan portal]

i run illisi, so it just presses r 100 times a second (r being my binding for special activation)

[south zephyr]

just be a loot goblin and search every dark corner

[lofty storm]

my mouse software does this

[static agate]

There is mods for this tbw

Go to nexusmods / Darktide

[fierce sinew]

yeah, there's a lot of ways to do it

[lofty storm]

i have a mod that increases the range that you see the icons for materials, so i can ping them across map as long as i have LoS

[static agate]

Btw, is Warp Flurry any good on purgatus?
It dosnt feel like it matters to charge faster

[fierce sinew]

it's BiS

[south zephyr]

I saw a video clip where someone could see crafting mats through walls and stuff, would assume it's a mod of some kind

[cyan portal]

faster charge reduces peril cost of charge, so it is BiS

[static agate]

BiS?

[fierce sinew]

best in slot

[south zephyr]

^

[cyan portal]

best in slot, on all staves tbh

[spice veldt]

there's a mod that increases the viewing distance of world markers but none that natively allows you to see through walls; according to the map maker, it's easy to just allow yourself to see them through walls though

[ornate hamlet]

What do people think is the best force sword?

[south zephyr]

BiS on Void is peril quell on weakspot and flurry, right?

[spice veldt]

if we're just comparing between melee weapons, then illisi

[lofty storm]

^^ would highly recommend for anyone that doesn't have it
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/95

[fierce sinew]

the ones not obscurus

[lofty storm]

mine doesn't do that, just increases range you can see icons

[orchid shadow]

Really? I'd thought that's against what they'd allow for mods.

[south zephyr]

me too

[lofty storm]

yeah id assume so

[fierce sinew]

why wouldn't that be allowed?

[cyan portal]

demos and illisi both great, really depends on how you like to play. illisi maybe the easier of the two

[spice veldt]

who knows, but the modmaker found it cautioned to not include that functionality in the Found Ya mod

[orchid shadow]

The health bar mod would feel like cheating if it wasn't already doing something the pysk gym didn't already do.

[south zephyr]

If your ranged weapon can handle hordes, go Deimos, if your ranged weapon can't handle hordes, go Illisi

[ornate hamlet]

I just got back in the game, I'm surprised we got choices now

[fierce sinew]

the tldr of the mod policy is you're not allowed to force mod functionality on non modded clients, the only one that's been in violation so far (that I know of) is for the emperor

[cyan portal]

illisi built just right can 1 shot damnation muties, though it is easier to get a demos to do so.

[lofty storm]

i think always attack first had to change their mod as well

it q cancels after first swing automatically, and can be set to auto attack

so it functionally increases your attack speed drastically, they had to nerf the mod

[fierce sinew]

I know he changed it, I don't know if it was policy related

since it's just a macro

[lofty storm]

i wish i had that mod back in the vermintide days with 2h hammer

[ornate hamlet]

So, another quick question. I think I can't find some penances anymore on my to-do list, did they remove them or am I just blind?

[lofty storm]

M1, qq, M1, qq, M1, qq all day erry day

[south zephyr]

got to say though, gun psyker breathed new life into the class for me, was always skeptical to try it too

[south zephyr]

check the Redacted section

[orchid shadow]

It's in a Redacted section on the bottom of the penance list

[south zephyr]

still earnable, just relocated

[ornate hamlet]

Thanks, folks

[cyan portal]

shredder with pinning and blaze is like BiS for everyone that can use it. Such a busted weapon.

[south zephyr]

yes, yes it is

and i get to enjoy it for however long before they nerf it and gun psyker becomes a meme again

I know mg 12 works, but i hate the gun

I use Agri IA on my vet too because of how much I dislike mg12

[cyan portal]

might as well be a vet with a mk12, shredder + soulblaze is some magic shit though

[south zephyr]

I wish Heavy Las pistol was better, because the special on it is perfect for gun psyker peril edging

[cyan portal]

i'm curious, has anyone else come to the belief that 4 psykers is the most optimal team comp?

[fierce sinew]

I've thought so for a long time

[spice veldt]

not particularly, because you do lack anti-armor burst DPS unless you consider kinetic flayer pinning fire

[fierce sinew]

but mostly just because of how aura and AB work

[wet belfry]

Any optimal comp has to feature a veteran

[spice veldt]

so flamer zealots or bolter vets at least

[south zephyr]

would have guessed 3 ogryn and 1 vet would be top tier

[wet belfry]

Ogryn would be helpful for clutch revives or horde clear

But it depends on the skill of the team

Kinda useless to have revive potenial if no one dies.

[fierce sinew]

in a TAS environment with enough density I'm pretty sure quad aura psyker would just kill most of the map through the wall, and what remained wouldn't get to stand up

[cyan portal]

psyker has great horde revive

[south zephyr]

Hi5 STG with 4 psykers running CD aura would be hilarious

every second or 2 someone would fire off an F

[fierce sinew]

aura is sneaky super busted, we just don't have content hard enough for it to show yet

[wet belfry]

I think my optimal would be like 1 psyker, 1 zealot/ogryn, 2 veterans

[south zephyr]

been running it lately since I have flayer to maintain stacks, it's really noticeable at times, I'm sure my teammates think the same from time to time too

[fierce sinew]

yeah, we're all just so overgeared relative to damnation that basic, frontloaded damage winds up taking the majority of the hp in most fights, the high ceiling stuff with more setup cost doesn't come into play much

[cyan portal]

so, if 4 pyskers, what builds/loadouts is best?

[fierce sinew]

all aura and AB, at least 2 purg, other 2 whatever

[ornate hamlet]

What are some bis for Void?

[fierce sinew]

flurry transfer

[static agate]

Is it worth keeping this? It got so low burn stat

[lofty storm]

what's the go to trauma blessings?

id assume warp flurry/nexus?

[obtuse moth]

no nexus is only 15% more damage on crit

flurry, and rending shockwave or focused channeling

rending buff's other peoples damage on armor (and your melee) and focused lets you slide into ranged fire without getting hitstunned and get right clicks off esp under pressure