#psyker-class

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lunar hollow
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shitting on crushers = good

spice veldt
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mediocre

wanton sandal
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rending is quite nice on crushers yeah

spice veldt
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but there are no other good blessings on the trauma

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besides flurry

wanton sandal
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maybe on maulers too but those are rarely an issur

obtuse moth
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its good for teammate buffing. it doesnt buff personal damage but its fine for utility. the second non Warp Flurry slot is pretty flexible. if you do need to also melee the packs of crushers in between blasts it'll help too.

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i change it around depending on mood and situation

jade geode
lunar hollow
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the mgxii vet shooting his lil heart out cuz i gave him the power to actually do damage to crushers is heartwarming

jade geode
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So how would Ya'll reroll this? Keeping Flurry I'm assuming.

wanton sandal
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idk how useful crit is, but as an intermediate blessing I rock it

spice veldt
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that's a pretty good trauma

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close to my ideal

wanton sandal
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then again ive started a brand new psyker

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so im hurting for good blessings

jade geode
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Is Transfer Peril useful at all? It doesn't seem to proc on secondary like I hoped it would :/

spice veldt
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I'd change +specialist into +unarmoured for reliably one-shotting dreg bruisers (450 hp) since I don't manage my warp charges

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unfortunately not

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it's pretty safe to just reroll transfer peril into rending

obtuse moth
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id change specialists to maniacs, but unarmored is fine too

sick solar
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So Warp Flurry on the Surge? Or what is the best in class blessings and perks?

obtuse moth
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transfer peril is situationally useful if you want to rapid quell fire left click at long ranges

jade geode
obtuse moth
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that said i prefer focused channeling a lot more for slide right clicks or just personal safety

spice veldt
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maybe other trauma variants will be able to headshot, but not this one

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I also have no idea how they're going to balance headshot quelling for an explosion weapon

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so presumably it's just going to really only work on the LMB

jade geode
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And it's BONKERS

obtuse moth
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i mean, void is also an explosion weapon

spice veldt
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though voidstrike's epicentre has a sneaky 6 cleave limit

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the epicentre doesn't count as an explosion

obtuse moth
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it just doesnt proc on the explosion, only the central projectile

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you could apply a similar logic to trauma

spice veldt
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trauma's epicentre does count as an explosion

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hence the reason why you can even one-shot poxbursters at minimal charge

jade geode
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True but... a 6 cleave limit wouldn't be much different from Trauma. I mean, how often do you have 6 or more enemies in the epicenter?

obtuse moth
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if you wanted to code the staff as a projectile sent downards from above that triggers an explosion around it, it would work

spice veldt
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6 cleave does not necessarily mean 6 enemies

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Crushers, for example, have more than 6 hitmass

obtuse moth
spice veldt
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and there's the fact that carapace has the property of stopping all finite cleave

jade geode
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Anywho, alright.
Keep Flurry and Flak, reroll Transfer to something else (probably Rending) and reroll Specialists to either Unarmored or Maniacs. Pretty much what I was thinking.

lunar hollow
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in any big horde (esp on t5) you're gonna have way more than 6 enemies in an epicentre

obtuse moth
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both arc and i prefer focused channeling over rending shockwave fwiw

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makes you immune to hitstun, esp while moving

spice veldt
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only pick it if you're going to play aggressively into ranged enemies (sprint-sliding)

obtuse moth
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it can work fine if you're getting overwhelmed in close quarters as well

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it means if you get hit you don't get punished twice since you can still make space after taking the hit

jade geode
spice veldt
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that too; it's saved me by allowing me to hittrade to get a full charge off when I couldn't move out of cover because of a sniper and ragers being on my ass
though that's a very rare situation

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the visual doesn't scale with the Blast Radius stat

lunar hollow
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^

jade geode
lunar hollow
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the trauma plays super awfully when you're levelling

spice veldt
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at 80% blast radius, the epicentre is about the same size as the circle that you see

lunar hollow
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like i would never ever use it if i had to level a psyker alt again until i hit 30

spice veldt
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yeah I would never ever use it unless blast radius and charge rate were >75%

spice veldt
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I think it's marginally smaller but approximately that size

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and the outer area extends beyond that

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80% charge rate has a 2.3 meter radius circle of epicentre (16.6 square meters)

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and the outer area is an 8.4 meter radius circle (221.7 square meters)

obtuse moth
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which is a 4.6m and 16.8 meter diameter

spice veldt
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is beeeeg

jade geode
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Alright boys, off to some T5 to take this baby for a spin XD

obtuse moth
jade geode
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Hey, anyone know if Warp Absorption can proc multiple times from a single secondary turning multiple trash to soup?

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Or just once per cast?

obtuse moth
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should proc multiple times

jade geode
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Noice

obtuse moth
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i still prefer quietitude

jade geode
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Yeah that's what I have selected rn, was just considering my options.

fierce sinew
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this got updated recently, for anyone else that missed it

jade geode
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Quietitude is just more reliable IMO

fierce sinew
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makes the actual endgame so much more bearable

jade geode
fierce sinew
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in related news

broken quail
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Ended up not using brunt’s much since not enough coins

fierce sinew
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mutants everywhere tremble

wanton sandal
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and it generally feels like it underperforms

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but it's still unique

wanton sandal
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having passive regen tho is nice

spice veldt
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if there are trash enemies to kill, then warp absorption is good

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the problem is when the trash are all dead

wanton sandal
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yeah

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i take communion and the warp charge regen and usually stay full on toughness

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with the option to do a quick bb if needed

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tho i know some people here don't like communion

obtuse moth
obtuse moth
devout belfry
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What blessings are best on the combat axe?

obtuse moth
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brutal momentum and headtaker or decimator

wanton sandal
obtuse moth
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nope

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it stacks per enemy hit

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its like 50% damage

wanton sandal
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yeah but I figured caxe like the antax or w/e was mostly just for single target deletion

obtuse moth
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nope, antax is horde clear haha

wanton sandal
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idk tho I don't main it

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o

obtuse moth
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the other two caxes are more single target caue they have finesse stats

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antax is leftclickspam and pusha tattack

wanton sandal
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lol

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interesting

fierce sinew
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antax is best combat axe at everything you do with combat axe

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the others are almost dueling sword levels of pointless

meager plinth
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This helmet really obliterates that haircut damn

molten sparrow
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Is this worth it for 2605 Melk ordo ingots?

supple skiff
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blazing spirit is a meme

spice veldt
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unfortunately, force sword attacks are simply too good to make use of blazing spirit

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(and slaughterer being a blessing)

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12 stacks of soulblaze isn't anything to scoff at if you're comfortable with changing your playstyle a bit, but I wouldn't spend milk bottles on it unless you've got a pile to spare

supple skiff
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imagine it could put in work on anything tanky enough to eat 3 crits from something that can roll it but at that point just keep swinging

spice veldt
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the only use case I can think of is just smacking maulers and moving onto the next

supple skiff
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maybe if it was something like that on special use blessing and you got 12 stacks on next hit or something

spice veldt
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and simply not conditioning on crits at all

supple skiff
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4 stacks on weakpoint

spice veldt
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now that's more like it

supple skiff
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turn demios into a fire poker lol

jade geode
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BTW Thanks all for the Trauma tips, ran a game with it and it played really well. Even for it being a rather tough game (three psykers, other 2 were surge) so we didn't have much frontline and our killing was slow so... was a good test of being able to "control" the situation.

supple skiff
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double surge, oof

spice veldt
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become da frontline

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esp with trauma and focused channeling

supple skiff
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they say we're squishy, but I'm not convinced

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unlimited dodging and toughness as needed have served me very well

spice veldt
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base stats-wise, we're pretty squishy, but we do have the force swords and a very generalist toughness regen feat (Quietude)

supple skiff
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and pulling out a deflector and crab scuttling away is handy

spice veldt
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the power of infinite dodges and not giving a fuck about dodge-slides counting twice

digital loom
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based mommy hadron

spice veldt
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I'm waiting for a more reactive, long-ranged staff so that we can make proper use of warp absorption

meager plinth
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also Psyker has naturally more ways to deal with a variety of threats

spice veldt
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all of our god damn staff secondaries requiring charging

supple skiff
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if trauma didn't have that weird range limit warp absorption would slap on it

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its the shooters man, its always the fucking shooters

worn bolt
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average psyker enthusiasts vs based ogryn enjoyers

spice veldt
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what in the world is going on in ogryn chat

meager plinth
worn bolt
meager plinth
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yeah do you know how many Ogryn neurons that would fry? trying to imagine fluid movement

orchid shadow
hollow spruce
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does anyone have bloodthirster

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does it actually exist

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bloodthirsty*

spice veldt
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yes

fierce sinew
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rest in spaghetti old bloodthirsty

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never forghetti

orchid shadow
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Yay, first real damnation mission done!

obtuse moth
unborn egret
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How do you survive in open areas where there is nowhere to hide? In particular, the mission where you have to destroy the corruptions around the final (big) room, and end up hanging out by the gate waiting to extract. I always get wrecked in there.

long wharf
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looks like Hadron favors my Ogryn

spice veldt
orchid shadow
spice veldt
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my method personally is to just wait by the areas where ranged enemies drop down and whack them as soon as possible, momentarily ignoring the objective

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if it's too much, I go down the stairwell to bait them and to regen toughness from killing trash with melee

orchid shadow
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I like to jump up on the round center piece, since the melee can't hit you

white cedar
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which mod do you use for moving HUD. "HUD Tweaker" or "Custom HUD"

spice veldt
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both

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they have some related functionalities, but they're quite different

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custom HUD being much more easier to move things around, and HUD Tweaker giving you access to certain options

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such as removing the background and portrait by your health/toughness

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and centering your toughness bar

nimble burrow
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ew

kind jay
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i got dogged and a burster five star frog splashed me from the top rope immediately after

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i cant even be mad

crude cape
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should i reroll elite melee dmg perk here? or unyielding?
would maniac be best, or maybe flak?

jade geode
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Elites, while maybe not optimal for a FS, does apply to Ragers, Maulers, and several other harder targets that you're more likely to be in melee with.

crude cape
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what counts as elites?

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8% is meh

jade geode
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Elites are...

near gale
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tfw this is the best melk offers your psyker...

crude cape
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ragers maulers, all the ogryns?

jade geode
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Ragers, Maulers, Crushers, Bulwarks, Reapers...

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Basically yeah.

crude cape
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do mutants count? flamers?

jade geode
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So, it's not a bad perk. Good for broad damage against several targets you might be stuck in a bad spot with. Though not as great at hitting a breakpoint for any individual threat.

jade geode
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But Elites is definitely the more useful between the two.

spice veldt
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mutants and flamers are specialists

jade geode
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Unyeilding damage on a FS is... pretty ass XD

lethal swan
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What is the actual correct use of the II Purgatus Staff? I can't seem to do SHIT with it?

spice veldt
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spray it around and wait for soulblaze to kill stuff

jade geode
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Rolled properly, it will literally clear the field of anything other than Crushers.

lethal swan
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But it has no range and it doesn't do ANY damage

spice veldt
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damage isn't its main appeal

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its infinite cleave is

lethal swan
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And what if my squad doesn't help at all?

spice veldt
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and ability to apply soulblaze stacks to everything within its range

jade geode
lethal swan
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Damage 76% and Burn 75%

jade geode
spice veldt
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hopefully your cloud radius is high as well since that affects the range

lethal swan
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Ok...

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I'm not just bitching... honestly looking for advice3

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No offence taken

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66% Cloud?

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bad?

jade geode
# lethal swan Damage 76% and Burn 75%

"Damage" is actually a dropstat for the Purge. It only affects the damage of the "direct damage" ticks, which is garbo, and a 20% roll or a 80% roll is only like 4 damage difference.

spice veldt
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the only thing it's weak against are enemies outside its range, Crushers (soulblaze does basically nothing to Carapace), and shielded Bulwarks (will block Purg)

lethal swan
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I noticed the low change in damage

jade geode
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90% of your damage comes from the Soulblaze DoT

spice veldt
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66% is ok

lethal swan
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Check Soulblaze

spice veldt
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and enemies with inherently high health pools

lethal swan
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I think that's what I'm missing

crude cape
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so...flak armor?

lethal swan
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Much appreciated!

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Sorry to derail the convo

jade geode
primal plume
jade geode
spice veldt
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fucking hunting grounds

crude cape
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no chance maniac is better for mutants etc?

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guess yuo see more flak in general

spice veldt
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I usually prefer maniac because mutants are a DPS check of sorts whereas the flak enemies are ones you can run away from

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though I also run the trauma which gives me a lot of space against melee elites

jade geode
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It depends more on your playstyle, I guess. And/or what your ranged weapon is.

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As you can use your other weapon to compensate for any weaknesses.

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For me, personally, I prefer Flak, and my Illisi can 2-tap Scab(flak) shooters and bruisers if I headshot, which is easy with the Ilissi's hit-priority and attack pattern.

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Also means that when I'm trying to cleave down multiple Scab Bruisers, or Dreg bruisers and hit the head, I can cut through them easier.

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But again, if you really wanna just tear through Ragers and Mutants, by all means go for it! Or test out both and see which you like! 🙂

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You can always reroll 😄

lethal swan
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I gotta say - this channel is WAY more helpful than any of the other classes' channels - thank you!

jade geode
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Ogryn usually is pretty wholesome and helpful, but yes, the other two seem to constantly be toxic XD

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And you're quite welcome 🙂

lethal swan
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Ogryn is so easy, I really don't feel the need to lurk there

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😉

jade geode
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Fair KEKW_ogryn

long wharf
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this channel is the only one where people do real testing

orchid shadow
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Hmm.. are mutants always 3 Brain bursts on Damnation? No way to get that down to 2?

runic juniper
spice veldt
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17 toughness damage

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op

spice veldt
orchid shadow
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With 6 stacks, it actually breaks 2k, just can't do it on the first cast. 😦

near gale
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Why is the charge rate stat on the voidstrike so bad?

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It only covers a 0.3 second charge time...

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80% is the 1st one, 34% is the 2nd...

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I feel like there should be a larger charge time difference than 0.14 seconds, from a 46% difference in the stat...

ionic frost
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Either lower levels it'd be too bad, or higher levels it'd be too good.

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Imagine if u could get it down to 1 sec base at 80%...or if at 0% it were a 3 second charge...

spice veldt
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I wouldn't mind voidstrike having a faster charge rate at the higher end

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quite unusual to me that trauma charges faster than voidstrike

fierce sinew
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if the balance people thought charging a bit faster would be too much they probably wouldn't have juiced the hell out of the blessing that specifically deals with that

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( I doubt any thinking of the kind took place at all)

ionic frost
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Are you saying nerf warp flurry? In their mind they probably figured "once warp flurry is at 5 stacks, you're already over 50%+ peril so you won't get many fast casts." Also, that negates your ability to put blazing spirit + warp nexus on it for memez. =D

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Do the balance people know about animation cancel? Do we want them to know about animation cancel?

fierce sinew
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especially since they're happy to give blessings with the same name different magnitudes between weapon types, that's something they easily could have done. Put more juice in the voidstrike charge speed stat and less in the voidstrike warp flurry blessing

ionic frost
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Sounds good to me, buff blazing memez! =)

fierce sinew
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could make a perfect staff work exactly the way it does now, and not having t4 flurry less punishing

ionic frost
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But I think at the end of the day they'll make voidestrike staff worse than it is now.

fierce sinew
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I mean you could pick the numbers to be whichever way you wanted

ionic frost
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Do their balance people play this game?

fierce sinew
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I don't think anything like that level of consideration goes into it, is my main point

ionic frost
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I don't think they do.

fierce sinew
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I think they might have on some stream at some point? for a community thing

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I might have fever dreamed that though

ionic frost
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I don't call playing just when on a stream because you're paid to as playing the game...now if they played it for 5 hours every night they might have a good sense of what needs to be adjusted.

blissful dirge
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this is the wrong chat lmao

spice veldt
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smh my head

blissful dirge
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Preacher
Psyker.

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simple error 😛

spice veldt
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hi shock but it's on either refinery delta or hab dreyko

ionic frost
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dreyko shock still bugged?

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as in no shock troop spawns after a certain point

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Reroll Flak to 25%, or reroll Unarmoured to Maniac?

kind jay
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i would personally do unarmored to maniac

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unarmored kinda pointless on illy

long wharf
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With the critical damage multipliers for fswords, melee crit chance is a solid option as well

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Especially since you end up attacking a lot more with the Illisi

ionic frost
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The reason I was thinking Flak to 25% was to increase the killing power of 4 stack Ascendant Blaze...but if that won't kill change any breakpoints...

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And will 4 stack Ascendant Blaze kill unarmored shooters without +20% unarmored damage?

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(With max slaughterer/unstable power)

near gale
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Just did a hi 4 shock on the chasm station assassination mission... holy fuck was it rough, but, we pulled through by the skin of our teeth...

ionic frost
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@near gale nice carrying =)

near gale
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That was on my psyker too. x.x

ionic frost
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Someone's gotta kill the disablers/specials...or they kill you!

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=)

near gale
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If it was my zealot I could see me having done it way easier, but, nope... was doing my psyker

near gale
ionic frost
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Some people are adept at dying to them.

near gale
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I am as well, but, I am also adept at returning the favor... >.>'

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I mean all it takes is 1 disabler and gg, if you fuck up

ionic frost
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yup

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even if you don't fuck up, but the server does

near gale
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tru

ionic frost
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you clearly dodge that sniper shot/net but the server says "nope, i lagged so u die"

near gale
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That or you were panicking and dodging and didn't realize you were out of dodges

ionic frost
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The only game that performs worse at 80 ping is Starsiege: Tribes...and there's no reason this game should have 80 ping in Florida when it runs on AWS...

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They have 1 zone for North America and it's in the Rocky Mountains?

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I wonder where Hawaii connects to..

shy prairie
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one server and it's in the himalayans, the server is hosted under the astronomican

near gale
ionic frost
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I wonder if Russia playerbase is more skilled... =D

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on average

near gale
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On average? lol no

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On higher skilled players? maybe

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there are probably more of those

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I mean >.>

ionic frost
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It'd be funny if new FSB recruits had to play Darktide and get good at it... =P

fierce sinew
ionic frost
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Tribes tick rate? Or Darktide? =D

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Both are probably pretty bad

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I know Tribes tick rate is...25 year old game

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horrible netcode

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but fun as hell

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best capture the flag ever

fierce sinew
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it's just a corner that gets cut a lot, and this isn't exactly a big budget enterprise

ionic frost
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A little more budget...6-12 months more dev time...they could've sold twice as many copies by now if not more.

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They got mentioned in Southpark and screwed the pooch

fierce sinew
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I don't know, I think tide games are always going to be niche

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it's not clear that higher quality would have meant more sales, to me

ionic frost
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I guess some people just can't handle the precision required in the gameplay

fierce sinew
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maybe some, just whatever the negative word of mouth at launch took away

ionic frost
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they want to coast along to the highest difficulty quickly because "they got fps skillz yo"

wet belfry
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I think the playerbase actually would have been bigger.

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Becuase a large part of people have indeed been dissuaded by the issues.

ionic frost
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I do too, a few people irl asked me about it but decided not to buy it because I couldn't excitingly tell them "yes, it's a great game and there are no problems, buy it"

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Most people want to play a game for the fun of it, not make it a 2nd job to get good gear where skill won't close the gap between you and your friend who plays 5-10x more

wet belfry
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I absoutely think the game has a ton of skill.

ionic frost
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If they could spend not as much time to get gear close to as good, they'd be more inclined to buy it

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Yes it does

fierce sinew
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and their wallets are louder than anything we have to say

ionic frost
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but your new friend will be dissuaded by his shitty gear too, they want to play 3-4 other games during the week too

wet belfry
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Depends on individuals. Some are willing to lose over and over

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Others just give up.

ionic frost
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crashes, gear grind, and lack of content seems to be the most negative things about darktide

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gameplay is superb

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as are visuals/theme/atmosphere/audio

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Casual gamers don't want to wait 10 years to have gear as good as I currently have

wet belfry
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Tbh even if a noob got the absolute best gear they would still hard fail damnation.

ionic frost
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Even if they "git gud" skill wise, their gear is garbage other than what they luck in to

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My friends that got me into Darktide/I got them to buy it, quit after a couple weeks due to it feeling repetitive and lack of content..."same maps over and over"

fierce sinew
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or they'd get carried in damnation and not realize it because the devs deliberately hid that information somewhere only already enfranchised players would see it

ionic frost
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I'm not even sure they know the same map has multiple main objectives on it =)

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So it could be a strike or an espionage (not sure if one map has both of those two objectives but you know what I mean)

ionic frost
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My friends that quit weren't at damnation level, heresy was rough for them

low stratus
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best blessing for deimos force sword?

ionic frost
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malice fairly easy but not always

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slaughterer

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followed by preference of unstable power/deflector, etc

primal plume
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alright hadron

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fuck my shit up

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this game is a fucking joke

burnt maple
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c'mon Run N' Gun

primal plume
burnt maple
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lol

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oh man that sucks

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the worst is when Hadron says, "i trust you are pleased, varlet"

primal plume
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iti spent 1 million just gambling using amod

ionic frost
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holy shit

primal plume
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this was the best out of all of them

ionic frost
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the first ever melk curio that might be worth buying:

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on veteran

fierce sinew
burnt maple
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i didn't know you could

fierce sinew
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it's in the reroll mod options in the menu

burnt maple
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i don't really mind it that much

ionic frost
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The reason that line is the worst, is because I always verbally reply: "Fuck no, it's not. How the fuck could you even think that?"

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It makes me feel slightly better.

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They should just remove that voice line from the game.

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Everything else is fine.

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All other voice lines that is.

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Now it doesn't bother me with re-roll mod... =)

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One time I spent 30-40 minutes rerolling a perk...what a waste of time.

burnt maple
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they really should buff Terrifying Barrage

ionic frost
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Wish I got mods when they first came out, now it's never taken me more than 500 rolls (like 1-2 minutes) to get a perk =)

burnt maple
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make it include everything non-elite at the very least

ionic frost
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Yeah...not sure what would be the best way to do it tho

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It's an 8m radius proc from where you stand, right?

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I wonder if it's best on Infantry Autogun which really doesn't do much suppression on it's own?

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brauto loves 2 dmg perks =)

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on vet that is

fierce sinew
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any cc or utility blessing has to be pretty juiced to compete with power buffs

ionic frost
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ya...

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I think best use of terrifying barrage is aggressive gun play

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but still just mercing everything is better

fierce sinew
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make terrifying barrage knock enemies down force sword push attack style

ionic frost
#

maybe when T9 comes out =P

#

and u need CC

#

or die

#

wonder what level 35 or 40 perks would look like

#

if that'd be a thing

fierce sinew
#

maybe make "terrified" mobs stand still and take bonus damage instead of just being suppressed

#

give it a real debuff with real numbers

ionic frost
#

+30% dmg?

#

naw too strong for aoe

#

20%

#

for everyone

#

at target "small cone" and aura

fierce sinew
#

could do a fatshark and make it pointless gradient based on "stacks" of proximity to terrifying effect

#

closer enemies take more

#

something

ionic frost
#

make an enemy mutant in aoe stop the bonus dmg, but they stay suppressed?

#

to balance it

fierce sinew
#

I feel like if there's no damage attached most cc is just not worth it compared to cc that does in the current game

burnt maple
#

it feels like most blessings that aren't just straight dps increase are worthless

near gale
burnt maple
#

terrifying barrage should make your attacks cause emotional damage

near gale
#

It already does cause emotional damage... to the user when it's the locked in blessing.

burnt maple
#

lol

karmic delta
#

you guys ever just go AFK when your teammates are so hyper active?

#

Like instead of waiting for a horde. They run towards the horde.

split oxide
#

Terrifying Barrage is not so bad.
(Sure WarpNexus is good but..)
After burning a group of trash in front of me, I quell and turn around... and I see an army of trash behind me that have been running behind me .. but too suppressed to do anything afterwards.
Then I clean up.

With WarpNexus I would've been collecting chip damage until I can turn around.

ornate abyss
cold geode
#

id just get the quell from it and move on

late yew
late yew
#

in fact probably the worst staff i ever seen

ornate abyss
#

I thought transfer peril is good

late yew
#

It does not work on trauma secondary

#

it is good on void

ornate abyss
#

okey

cold geode
#

for me its for the level 4 blessing cause i want all of them

late yew
late yew
split oxide
kind jay
#

we brought 2 surges to hi5 and i got the stink eye for it LOL (it was a smooth run)

split oxide
late yew
#

lolwhat

split oxide
#

Probably the wrong term.
It's less about support, disrupt, tactics and .. more of how fast you can get that kill-counter to spin.

late yew
#

you can win HI with whole team having unoptimal grey weapons

#

if everyone is good

kind jay
#

all it needs is people in coherency

#

nothing more

digital loom
#

good blessings are more important than good base stats

#

in my opinion

split oxide
#

I'm probably thinking about horde-rushes

digital loom
#

outside of finesse

#

or things like blast radius

split oxide
#

I don't regularly do Hi5. It's kinda my upper limit - scoreboard said "you were carried".
In my defence, I am on a laptop RTX1660ti. 40 fps. 18 during spawns.

kind jay
#

nothing wrong with that tbh. as long as you had fun

split oxide
#

That's wholesome - but you gotta respect other's time too.
I rage when someone jumps in - aggros everything, tpks and bails before 'that scene' kicks in.

kind jay
#

that's true but also you have to try it to get better at it

#

the douchey ones yeah i agree there

late yew
kind jay
#

like surge

#

LOL

late yew
#

All staves except void

cloud sequoia
#

KEKW_ogryn get mod disable fire

split oxide
#

Surge - in theory - should be good for teams forced to stay in cohesion (for survival).
At lower levels, people feel confident enough to split up and wander off.

late yew
#

there is potato graphics mod

cloud sequoia
late yew
#

Surge is great

split oxide
split oxide
kind jay
#

you can quick charge surge and swap to melee

#

it's A bit finicky sometimes but it's great

split oxide
# kind jay you can quick charge surge and swap to melee

Sure, you can do all these things..
But Hi5 or even just T5 is all about:

  • getting that kill-counter to spin like a flywheel if youre CC.
  • And if you're anti-elite, BB-machinegun.
  • Nothing better than seeing a team-mate speedrun killing allthe targets you are locking down.
cloud sequoia
split oxide
# cloud sequoia <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> hishock 5 with purgatus blind my eye

I have started to 'crouch' and aim knee level.

  • this also gets poxwalkers that do that , dive-roll to avoid it.
  • dreyko last stand.. notice the goo is slightly elevated near the vaultdoor.
  • you think you're doing a good job casting fields of flame
  • poxwalkers nearest to you have closed the gap and broken your alt-fire.
  • step away from the wall and crouch(even if it sacrifices a bit on mobility)
late yew
#

bursters do not get staggered with purg right?

split oxide
split oxide
# late yew WAT

It's probably an animation glitch..
I've pushed bursters. but they 'jiggle'.
like you're punching away a ball that attached to an elastic attached to you.

cloud sequoia
#

or just push with melee...

split oxide
late yew
cloud sequoia
#

the other guy already answer no, do i need to tell you no too?

split oxide
# late yew not what i asekd

Hmm.. i've never tried LMB purg tho.
But that's just too risky - even if they are still pausing after they fall off a ledge.

  • the amount of time it takes to LMB-purg a prone burster, just BB it or RMB, (probably cost the same in peril too)
  • if it's charging, - or omg diving - fuhgeddaboudit
kind jay
#

they still get janky stagger resist

#

i don't understand why they have ANY at all

late yew
kind jay
#

that sounds like some spaghetti headass code

split oxide
#

actually... I stand corrected:
LMB works on T5..
It's a Stagger, not a Push: (while diving, the detonation will catch you)

olive ember
#

technically they never even fixed it

cloud sequoia
#

i bring you steam forum "opinion" KEKW_ogryn

olive ember
#

very true

kind jay
#

surge sucks pls buff

olive ember
#

okay

#

that last line

#

holy shit

olive ember
# kind jay surge sucks pls buff

I'm sorry amigo, if you can't hard carry with a staff that will make any five enemies in the game stop what they are doing and stand there for a few seconds and take damage on top of it in the time it takes you to right click, left click, and then then R. that's the definition of a player issue. The only staff that matches it in versatility is the purgatus staff. The purgatus staff just has different enemies and situations it's weak again

If i'm running surge staff I rarely get into a situation where my whole team is dead, because I have the tools that stops all the specials that suprise wipe teams. When i am in that situation pressing my F key to push/light everything around me on fire and some slash/push with my Illsi typically gives me the breathing room to go back the dogs/trappers etc under control.

What I'm getting from this is you aren't super great at melee crowd control, and that's fine a lot of people aren't, and it's a learned skill. But that's not an issue with a surge staff. It's jsut an issue that you can kind of get around with staffs like the purgatus.

kind jay
#

how do you feel about that derpy? you like being less useful than a shieldgryn?

twilit badger
#

Surge staff could use some better damage on other armor types

#

Other than flak armor

olive ember
#

Surge staff is best staff

#

pls buff tho

#

thx

twilit badger
#

I know unlimited powah staff is supposed to be CC centric staff but even considering that it deals way way low dmg

late yew
twilit badger
#

Against unarmored and maniac and shit

kind jay
olive ember
#

10000% a good take totally

late yew
#

I only wish it did more damage to dreg shooters

primal plume
#

I do wish surge did more damage to things other than armoured units

kind jay
#

we need like 3 more Reddit posts shitting on surge before shark looks at it

cyan notch
#

surge is mid

primal plume
#

I wish we could hold down the cast and keep channeling lightning

late yew
#

you are mid

cyan notch
#

nah

late yew
#

surge is great

primal plume
#

The problem with surge is that it becomes an issue in hordes

#

You cant manually direct the lightning

late yew
#

just switch to melee bruh

olive ember
#

oh dear

primal plume
#

Ok ill switch to melee when im surrounded and theres a pox flamer

#

That i can't stun because i cant direct the lightning

#

Had this issue earlier

#

3 trappers

#

One grabbed the zealot

#

Couldnt stun because the horde

#

2 other trappers and a rager coming up

late yew
#

you have F

cyan notch
#

needs more damage or more targets

#

pretty aggressively average atm

olive ember
#

15x target cap

#

ez pz

primal plume
olive ember
#

glad to see @cyan notch finally coming around

#

15x target cap

primal plume
#

And now i dont have an f

olive ember
#

damage should be uniform against all targets

cyan notch
#

probably not 15

olive ember
#

probably 10

#

imo

late yew
olive ember
#

10 and normalize the damage

primal plume
#

But thered no reason you shouldnt be able to manually aim the lighting

olive ember
#

eh

#

its competing with infinite cleave staves

#

and its range isn't ludicrous

primal plume
#

Surge does damage to its 2 primary targets

late yew
#

i think it should have same target cap, BUT if there is flak or carapace target, it gets free extention

primal plume
#

And the extra it does minimal damage to

olive ember
#

that too, so even with a 10 target cap its only dealing damage to 2 at a time

primal plume
#

I dont think cleaving 2 enemies will be op

olive ember
#

so yeah make the CC stick actually CC shit

#

and make the damage not complete trash

#

and yeah

cloud sequoia
primal plume
#

I just hate having to drop my stacks because some fucking poxwalker appears behind me and i have to swap and use my melee

wet belfry
#

Dodge the poxwalker

kind jay
#

don't worry I'm sure we'll get some shit like the Olympus Mk 69 Surge that will summon Zeus himself to shock everything on the map into ash

olive ember
#

^^ balanced

#

finally

ornate hamlet
wet belfry
#

Its to take it within the context of a psyker

#

An average psyker player doesn’t understand what a melee weapon is

#

So to their mind surge being bad vs hordes, means that their entire loadout is bad against hordes.

stone prawn
#

single psykinetic wrath ascendant blazestaregryn

olive ember
#

The main problem of the surge staff is that it sucks against hordes

#

specifically you can't use it for mixed hordes

#

its a cc staff, so it has trouble killing certain targets, and then throw in the fact that these targets can spawn in a horde and its just like

#

eh

#

like the only noticeable advantage of a surge staff vs a purge is against crushers, mutants, and bursters. The only noticeable advantage vs the trauma is against mutants

#

if you throw in a horde in between each elite/special type and suddenly the surge staff falls off, even against mutants which it has a trouble targeting once a horde is involved

kind jay
#

yeah but hear me out

#

surge is better at making people mald

#

ez S tier

olive ember
ornate hamlet
#

I'm sorry amigo, if you can't hard carry with a staff that will make any five enemies in the game stop what they are doing and stand there for a few seconds and take damage on top of it in the time it takes you to right click, left click, and then then R. that's the definition of a player issue. The only staff that matches it in versatility is the purgatus staff. The purgatus staff just has different enemies and situations it's weak again

If i'm running surge staff I rarely get into a situation where my whole team is dead, because I have the tools that stops all the specials that suprise wipe teams. When i am in that situation pressing my F key to push/light everything around me on fire and some slash/push with my Illsi typically gives me the breathing room to go back the dogs/trappers etc under control.

What I'm getting from this is you aren't super great at melee crowd control, and that's fine a lot of people aren't, and it's a learned skill. But that's not an issue with a surge staff. It's jsut an issue that you can kind of get around with staffs like the purgatus.

kind jay
#

wasn't there another one that was the opposite? some dude super mad?

olive ember
#

the steam one?

kind jay
#

that sounds right

olive ember
#

someone posted this like yesterday or wte

#

well idk where the steam post is from but i saw the ss yesterday

kind jay
#

rofl

cyan notch
#

i used to main obscurus with surge funny enough

kind jay
#

same

olive ember
#

SMH

#

What does blooddrunk run anyways

#

Prob something like purge deimos I bet

cyan notch
#

purg or trauma

#

i only use infinite cleave weapons

#

and deimos yes

#

illisi gets boring

#

plus no monster damage and no ultra dodge

olive ember
#

🤔

#

When do psykers get a thammer anyways

#

I wanna 3 shot monstrosities where’s my force thammer

late yew
#

How many warp stacks you need to one-shot ragers?

cyan notch
#

u need warp unleashed

ionic needle
#

Let's watch Hadron ruin this one

#

Holy shit she didn't

ionic needle
#

What do I do with the perks?

cloud sequoia
#

Groaner to flak

ionic needle
#

Makes sense, ty

olive ember
#

Replace sustained fire with flurry IV and that’s about as meta as you can get with a voidstrike

ionic needle
#

I only have flurry 3 but yeah

olive ember
#

Would voidstrike still be considered meta 🤔

#

Cuz Ik at some point the consensus was that every staff is good enough to be considered meta but

#

Eh

near wyvern
cloud sequoia
#

Max cleave 3 limits the staff

near wyvern
#

Voidstrike is playable if you have a bolter vet in team

wet belfry
#

Voidstrike should be good in power matrix

#

Pretty limited use tbh, its not like other weapons wont work.

#

Power matrix at-least has some consistent spots where voidstrike could help trivialize the events.

#

I guess excise vault spireside also has a mid event where i could see a good spot for a voidstrike.

#

The balcony section right next to the stairs

#

Hordes arrive in a closed spot, from 1 direction

late yew
#

i really starting to like BB build

meager plinth
#

whats your build?

late yew
#

Can wrack and ruin apply more than 4 stacks if you use BB on several elites in 1 group?

late yew
meager plinth
#

you can even use the same one yea

late yew
#

Or 4 is the limit

meager plinth
#

it stacks

late yew
#

This build feels really good against mixed hordes

meager plinth
#

I forgot how high it can stack

late yew
#

Probably same as purg stacks?

cyan notch
#

31

late yew
#

That twice more than purg lol

olive ember
#

I mean

#

31 stacks is like 8 BB

#

I forget does wrack and ruin affect monstrosities

cyan notch
#

no

olive ember
#

I remember people saying it wasn’t good because it didn’t do anything to monstrosities or wte

cyan notch
#

elites and specials

olive ember
#

Does it spread to monstrosities

cyan notch
#

yes

olive ember
#

Then you just simply after hit 8 BB’s next to the boss to burn it down ez pz

cyan notch
#

well u gotta refresh it too

olive ember
#

Shhhh

vestal raven
#

what is this rng fatshark why

raw otter
#

rip

#

what are the stats of that obscurus?

near wyvern
#

@late yew wrack and ruin and ascendant blaze have only the global cap of 31 stacks

vestal raven
#

prob ass

vestal raven
late yew
#

only 8 targets

#

What would you say about this build @near wyvern

silver oxide
#

Hey lads, would Illisi work better with Slaughterer, Bloodthirsty or Shred?

twilit badger
#

Slaughterer

#

Shred is garbage blessing tbh

silver oxide
#

All right, thanks, ima try that out

twilit badger
#

Bloodthirsty could have been good if it had better crit dmg modifier

#

But nope

kind jay
#

as a general rule of thumb: for melee, slaughterer is #1 and most other blessings are just there

twilit badger
#

So go for slaughterer

silver oxide
#

cool, thanks lads

#

brb purging heretics

lethal grail
silver oxide
#

thats some top tier dodging and positioning wtf

cyan notch
#

i could do that ez

meager plinth
#

show us!

ornate hamlet
#

Facilitated applauding

lethal grail
#

Suffer.

cyan notch
#

its compact

#

id personally remove the "press button to do this action" tooltips

raw otter
lethal grail
#

Wait you can turn those off?
boots darktide

cyan notch
#

well i move the hud element till its offscreen

#

theres probably a mod that lets u tweak it more

lethal grail
#

Dangit.

cyan notch
#

custom hud works pretty good

austere estuary
#

I know we're all FS mains now, but... thoughts? veryThink

cyan notch
#

blessings pretty mid

spice veldt
#

crits also have a reduced damage multiplier beyond first target hit in a cleave on normal attacks (or first three targets on illisi's special)

vestal raven
#

use shred and blaze thumbsup_ogryn

spice veldt
#

too bad I'm not an arsonist

vestal raven
#

i tried it and uhhh without wildfire

#

its horrible

#

and even then

#

its a stretch lol

dusk idol
#

anyone that can help me out with the psyker? dont know what perks and blessings to go for with the purgatus

cyan notch
dusk idol
#

@cyan notch thanks and is there a go to melee for purgatus or just use anything+

cyan notch
#

deimos is good for single target

split oxide
#

Dont Trauma trash mobs directly in front of your teammates:
They worked hard to keep the enemy in front of them.

faint vault
#

Unless you're a sadist, this is correct.

split oxide
#

or unless you're looking to do you "rescue downed teammates" penance.

boreal meteor
#

does the surge staff do more damage if you hold left click during the lightning?

spice veldt
#

if you're getting trolled by trauma teammates, I'd just start playing solo

#

that's what I do at least

cyan notch
#

how do u play solo

spice veldt
#

actively run from your team

#

if my team is on one side of the section, then I run to the other side

#

there are a few map sections which have splits, like cryorod or enclavum

#

trauma has a maximum range of 20m but I find it to take a bit more time to aim at anything that's past 10 meters on flat elevation, so I'd probably strive to be that distance away from the trauma user

#

or just let your team clean up the stragglers and loot while you run away

#

you're probably gated by dockets anyways, so you don't need the mats unless you've got curios to farm for

split oxide
near wyvern
#

You are basically betting all your damage around wrack and ruin + wildfire which are both very situational and hard to get value out of. In case of wildfire it's also plagued by bugs.

#

This is a build that shines the best in the meat grinder, unless you are playing with 3 heavily melee focused zealots/ogryns

#

And contrary to that, if you are paired with a good bolter veteran you could as well just suicide using a barrel and stay dead for the whole run

nimble bolt
#

Does Deflector on a Force Sword block snipers?

nimble bolt
#

😖

spice veldt
late yew
#

so you did not get grabbed

spice veldt
#

they borked dogs in the same patch that borked mutants

#

even at the speed of a dodge performed while casting BB, you are unable to be pounced

hidden crystal
# feral verge nah

I wish this was made considerably clearer in game, because the number of times I reasonably interpreted "blocks ranged attacks" as, I dunno, blocks ranged attacks before I realised it didn't work was rather too many.

nimble bolt
#

Yea, felt dumb even asking the question because I assumed it would being a ranged attack

hidden crystal
#

At least with Tox Flamers it's logical that it doesn't work, but... well, why does that bullet ignore it entirely?

spice veldt
#

where's my in-game glossary, fatshark

hidden crystal
#

Even if they can't be too detailed, simply changing the description to "blocks most ranged attacks*" would go a long way to making it less confusing.

spice veldt
#

or having some highlighted text where if you hover over it, it would give a list of exceptions

#

especially if they think it's too much detail to fit in the descriptions

#

risk of rain solved this with keywords and surely fatshark can do this too

flat moat
#

Any good purgatus staff builds ?

hidden crystal
#

Changing:

This Weapon blocks both Melee and Ranged attacks.
to:
This Weapon can also block most Ranged attacks.
even manages to be shorter than the original.

#

And then people at least have a clue that they should go and look it up online for more detail.

feral verge
#

this is my main build

#

i only play damnation

#

pretty much wrecks everything

#

im always at high (80%) peril

#

ill never let it get lower than 60%

#

to get phat damage, ill set a horde/group on fire with purga or ascendant blaze

#

then i'll swap to my sword

#

because dot (like fire) will get boosted by blessings on your melee weapon

#

like slaughterer and unstable power

#

to get the most out of unstable power, you'll want a sword that has low warp resistance

orchid shadow
hollow current
#

380 gift from the emp and it's a gun. staregryn

hidden crystal
#

I'll have it!

lethal raptor
#

I wish you could have solo private games, so that you could attempt to do head honcho alone

digital narwhal
hidden crystal
#

That is actually pretty good - I'd swap out Carapace damage (it has none by default, so that's useless) and personally I'd change Speedload for Hit and Run, because then you'd have quite the close range killing machine. (But I suppose with the reload speed perk too, you could keep speedload and reload superfast.)

olive ember
#

yeah recon lasguns are rly weak

#

you might as well just run a mk 12

#

or if you want the meta option a autopistol

kind jay
#

so what you're saying is that i should build one and bring it to hi5 shock

hollow current
#

nah, revolver is better for that.

ember sentinel
#

You could bring anything and be better off than recon

#

Recon gives you flayer at least

kind jay
#

I'm a big fan of revolver tbh

#

it's a bit weak for dam

ember sentinel
#

Revolver is a weapon that feels good

#

But then it takes 3 shots to kill a bomber which is half my ammo

#

And im sad

kind jay
#

you know what we need

#

kantrael fire revolver

ember sentinel
#

Lol

#

That would be fun

olive ember
#

Revolver kekw

#

Fuck ew no

#

no more

#

fire shit

#

just buff the lawbringer

#

I wanna use a shotgun and just blast hordes away

#

with primary fire

kind jay
#

kantrael surge revolver

olive ember
#

;-;

ember sentinel
#

What do they even make the lawbringer do that the other 2 dont

#

Ig the spread shot

kind jay
#

or a force revolver that use peril

olive ember
#

the spreadshot is so shit lmao

#

even in the CBT it was like "wow this things useless"

#

but in the CBT the primary fire made the weapon good

spice veldt
#

huh a revolver with a stun alt fire would be pretty cool

ember sentinel
#

But when fire shotgun goes through a billion dudes even good spread shot would be worse

olive ember
#

that or malice moment and everything was weak as shit

#

idr

hollow current
#

it's better ammo efficiency against hordes of trash units but yeah not terribly useful.

ember sentinel
#

It may have been a malice moment

#

Malice enemies make most weapons look good

kind jay
#

hi int stg malice is hilarious

#

i went to one out of curiosity and it was a nightmare

ember sentinel
#

Vets must have a field day

#

Ive already seen an increase in questionable damnation players recently i do not wanna know whats going on in malice

olive ember
#

I mean malice is so easy that its alright

#

its heresy and low int damnation where you see the worst of the worst

ember sentinel
#

I only run heresy with at least one friend so that we can help when needed

hollow current
#

all the low int damntion maps popping up is making me go crazy.

ember sentinel
#

For solo games its only damnation lol

olive ember
#

Smh

#

not a malice gamer

ember sentinel
#

My b

hollow current
#

Guess it's time to not play the game when low int pops up on two of the three maps for half the day.

olive ember
#

Your transgressions have been recorded and your pay will be appropriately docked

ember sentinel
#

Id run it for really quick rewards when i need them in time for a melk shop or something

#

But it doesnt give you anything

spice veldt
#

even worse--low intensity hunting grounds

olive ember
#

hab dreyko is like

#

it goes from easy to holy shit what hte fuck are you doing

ember sentinel
#

I dont play hunting grounds super often

olive ember
#

with shit teammates

ember sentinel
#

Iirc the only sketchy part of hab is the first scan zone

feral topaz
spice veldt
#

that's some non-trauma speak for hab dreyko

ember sentinel
#

Cause it spawns a lot of gunners and theres one scan location next to an infinite horde

feral topaz
#

The Variance is too great

hollow current
#

stairs are Trauma's greatest weakness

olive ember
kind jay
#

I'll drop to heresy if it has good conditions and dam has bad ones

olive ember
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first time I fucking rage quit in a while

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holy shit

spice veldt
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that's some non-psyker speak

olive ember
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Anyways

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anyone wanna

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grind some monster hunter anomaly ranks with me 😄

ember sentinel
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I need to get back on mh eventually

olive ember
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can't believe it arcotash

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how could you betray me like this

spice veldt
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sorry it was a misclick

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still no though

kind jay
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did you pass your final Derpy

ember sentinel
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I had a decent sunbreak run going and took a long break, then started over and stopped halfway through the game

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Did that like 4 more times

olive ember
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cowards all of you

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wdym this isn't fun

ember sentinel
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Ive come around to rise but still prefer world

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I only did a few anomalys for a reason lol

olive ember
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does this quest even have an anomaly monster

ember sentinel
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Is raging rajang in rise yet

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That dude beat my ass in world as a CB user

olive ember
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@ember sentinel

ember sentinel
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Ew

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Thats a yes

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Is he as hard as he was in world?

spring hamlet
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How does surge work? Is it solely for the m1 attacks?

olive ember
kind jay
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the blessing

spring hamlet
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groovy

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ty

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and yes the blessing

kind jay
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oh

olive ember
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oh yeah

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it works for voidstrike rmb but its not that good

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for trauma it only works with lmb

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its for meme builds either way basically

spring hamlet
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ah okok

kind jay
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yeah for void it does work on rmb i believe it does a non crit up shot

weary palm
# feral verge

i gotta wonder, you get any mileage from warp flurry at a high peril playstyle?

feral verge
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i do. it's not alot, but i do

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more than the other lackluster blessings

supple skiff
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Warp flurry mitigates peril generation so yes

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Do I wish I could run trauma with warp unleashed without detonating in 4 casts, also yes

spice veldt
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had a teammate start silo cluster's finale early when there were a bunch of ragers, maulers, and crushers in plain sight

olive ember
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oh yeah

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I got downed got tilted and they were like "oh yeah? why are you down"

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and im like "maybe because your smart ass started the event with a squad of shotgunners still alive and I got mobbed by hordes as I was engaging it"

spice veldt
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the guy at least self-admitted to be a newbie, but there were crushers in front

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and we had a teammate that needed to be revived, so he started it before we could even revive them first

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extremely scuffed

weary palm
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hell yeah

hexed ether
opaque sky
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I hate Not Even Close

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Who made this annoying penance?

meager plinth
spice veldt
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hi shock excise vault :o

mossy path
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Why did they remove the recolors of Storm witches redemption raiment (chest piece for pysker) from the game. They were unreleased and I was really looking forward to the black inquisition version and the silver version. Unless they are adding them with the next patch Imma be mad a

near gale
meager plinth
mossy path
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I literally went into the meat grinder with the FR mod to take screenshots of it when I re rolled the mod around 500 times to no avail. They took out alot of the cosmetics at least for pysker that were in the game just "unreleased"

fresh reef
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what should I roll the first perk into?

mossy path
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Found two garbage quality pics of the chest piece from my buddy

weary palm
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what the hell am i looking at

mossy path
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Lol

weary palm
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bro needs to clean his damn phone

fresh reef
mossy path
mossy path
spice veldt
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though if you're good at managing warp charges and run warp unleashed, you prob won't need it with that high damage stat

fresh reef
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I was thinking flak to deal with scab shooters

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the game agrees, apparently

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lmao

late yew
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how much damage +1 brittleness provides?

mossy path
spice veldt
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depends on the attack and to what armour type

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1 stack of brittleness is 5% brittleness

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on the trauma staff, you're not going to see that much direct benefit because it deals 100% damage to all armour types except infested (to which it deals 75% damage)

mossy path
spice veldt
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yeah

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was just remarking on the direct benefit that you get on the trauma

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another thingy is that brittleness helps BB against carapace (mauler, crusher)

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since BB apparently deals 75% damage to carapace

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though BB is prob good enough to two-shot crushers with warp unleashed with a non-rending trauma blast anyways

boreal cave
tropic vigil
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should i pick up this 380 and see what i can get?

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or just stick with current staff

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carapace probably bad omen again

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is 20% maniac acceptable?

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rolled warp nexus iv on it somehow so my new staff

hidden crystal
opaque sky
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I can’t time it well

golden tartan
hidden crystal
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When I got it, it was just the luck of when it charged up and fired.

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Admittedly, it was pouncing someone else.

tropic vigil
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i am like 90% sure yes

shadow wigeon
#
  • power from Slaighterer stacks will boost soulblaze tremendously
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The effect will only apply when you have the sword out. Kills from soulblaze will proc Slaughterer.

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So if you have applied enough soul blaze for a mob to die, switching to sword will probably start Slaughter on it's own. Once you have a fwew stack the damage will get so high the horde will vanish very quickly. Or, you can get a few quick kills to jump start it.

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This also works for Headtaker on Zealot - in that case, each tick of fire will trigger headtaker, so you will instantly go to max power boost.

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Warp charges, warp unleashed, and +damage on your staff will all contribute to soul blaze damage.

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Which is why +unyielding on purg can be a good perk for bosses and reaper/bulwarks, the numbers get fairly large.

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And also why the Shredder is so absurd with Ascendant Blaze.

flat moat
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what blessings should I look for on a mk4 blaze sword ?

mental rock
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slaughterer is bis for force swords

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2nd blessing is personal preference

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some popular options are uncanny strike, deflector, or unstable power

tropic vigil
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deflector if you want to be a jedi

shadow wigeon
mental rock
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its generally agreed upon that WR is a meme

spice veldt
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maybe if you run voidstrike or surge just so that you have an infinite cleave option

mental rock
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personally I would only take WR if im using a shredder or other gun

round jay
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Heresy is tier 3 right? Or is it 4

mental rock
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4

shadow wigeon
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I have tried to make WAR profitable but it's hard. Warp Unleashed is a default choice because it hits some breakpoints on other weapons. On soulblaze? Pretty meh, especially compared to +power boosts. Purg doesn't need tranquility, though, and WAR is not really synergistic with ascendant blaze (you have better things to do that BB alot).

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Also, to make SB stacks from WAR good, you would want to pump them with +power, which rarely makes sense if you found a BB target while playing purg... so it sort of dies a lonely death.

shadow wigeon
shadow wigeon
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it sounded like I didn't

mental rock
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I can see it useful on shredder because of the way pinning fire+blaze away synergize with SB

shadow wigeon
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Yeah, take it when the other feats in that tier don't matter. However.... 2 hitting a bulwark with WU is almost always valuable, so it's tough.

mental rock
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but thats all I can see it used for...

shadow wigeon
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It's fun to run, but the limited range also means there will be plenty of BB targets where the effect won't trigger, or it will trigger on enemies that just don't matter.

mental rock
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yeah even with the buffs it's still so underwhelming

shadow wigeon
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It does make me want to try a pure BB build and see what happens. I have a bad feeling, though.

orchid shadow
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What would make it useful compared to Warp Unleashed? If it affected all enemies, not just elites?

mental rock
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it would be cool if it made BB explode in an AOE or something

shadow wigeon
elfin nexus
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WAR isnt even good on autopistol builds either since warp unleashed buffs your gun damage as well

shadow wigeon
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so it is skippable

fierce sinew
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the 10% you get at 0 peril is still probably adding more damage than W&R

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over the course of a mission

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plus any time your flayer procs and puts you to 40 you get more

shadow wigeon
fierce sinew
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power buffs just too good

shadow wigeon
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I take back what I said about 2-hitting a bulwark, I forgot that 2 BB with WAR on bulwark also kills them

fierce sinew
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can kill bulwark with 2bbs and nothing else with wu+battery

shadow wigeon
orchid shadow
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It'd be nice if the feats synergized more with the staves. Like make WAR with a Surge staff make lightning come out of your BBs, or make a secondary larger aftershock with Trauma

mental rock
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nah I dont think that would be healthy, unless it worked for all ranged weapons

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they should give staves a new special attack though, because the bonk is just terrible

shadow wigeon
north cradle
rain birch
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Are nexus and flurry really the best blessings for purgatus?

rain birch
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Hm ok

shadow wigeon
rain birch
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I’m have this rn I’m assuming when I get a better staff with 370/380 just take nexus off of this since it’s t4?

ornate hamlet
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I've been away from the game for a while, anything noteworthy happened with psyker in the last few months?

rain birch
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Also is deflector over rated I have it t3 on my illisi and barely get any use out of it tbh the ammount of stagger when they shoot it is kinda jarring too

feral verge
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deflector is not bad

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but it is overrated

rain birch
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Hm I c the shake when they shoot it is so weird lol

feral verge
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once you figure out that you can dodge almsot 24/7 with force swords

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deflector becomes just a neat little thing

rain birch
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Yah I noticed that already lmaoo

feral verge
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not a must have

rain birch
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Be side stepping for days

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Hm

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Ig this riposte is good then?

feral verge
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nope

rain birch
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Crud

spice veldt
feral verge
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if you want the ultimate dmg force sword, go for slaughterer and unstable power

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unstable power shines on swords with low warp resistance

rain birch
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My shop rolls are so ass I wish the shop was reworked the Rng sucks I haven’t seen a 370/80 item I need in days

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And I haven’t seen a plasma gun for my vet in so long lord they need to rework this system

rain birch
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The only ones I ever see are base rating 301