psyker-class

[shadow wigeon]

You can't see crits, except in Psykanium.

And even then, it doesn't change the math

[faint heron]

It is cumulative thought right so it is +5% of the weapons base crit chance not just 5%?

[calm raven]

Compelling arguments regarding the perks, but should I still keep block efficiency? If the raw multipliers offer greater value; what would you suggest I swap/

[spice veldt]

force swords have 0% base crit chance; it's the Psyker Psykinetic that has 5% base crit

[shadow wigeon]

Cumulative doesn't matter. You just compare the perk to other perks. 5% chance of doing 125% damage is, on average, around 6% more damage.
But because the crit WS modifier is a lot lower... your effective damage boost will not be 6%. Maybe 3-4.

[faint heron]

I see

I think since it's so powerful against all armor it's still worth the small boost against all though right?

[spice veldt]

crits only give rending if your attack deals less than a certain % to an armour type

[faint heron]

I use uncanny

[spice veldt]

and I'm pretty sure force sword heavies deal enough damage to carapace to be above that threshold for getting rending%

[shadow wigeon]

The problem with +crit is you're going to get a bonus across your damage total, which means it won't reliable help with breakpoints.

[faint heron]

Does it have breakpoints with slaughter 4?

I one shot almost everything at max ramp

[spice veldt]

5% crit chance translates into 6.5% more damage on average assuming 2.3x weakspot damage at 80% finesse

[shadow wigeon]

That would be an argument against crit then, and for a +damage to a dangerous type - maniac/unyielding/carapace (maybe)

[faint heron]

Yeah I guess thats true

[shadow wigeon]

It will be more like 3-4% because of the low modifier on WS hits.

[spice veldt]

that too

though in the case of critical weakspots, using relative damage is a bit more misleading

[faint heron]

But crits are auto ws crits

[spice veldt]

since a critical on top of a weakspot gives 120 additional damage;
whereas a critical bodyshot gives 180 additional damage

crits are not automatic weakspots

[shadow wigeon]

Not sure what you mean here.

[spice veldt]

they are distinct

[faint heron]

On forceswords crits are auto ws crits unless it's been fixed?

[shadow wigeon]

Use % not flat damage, as that's what the other perks are comparing to

[spice veldt]

ah right

it's never been auto weakspot crits

I think you're just getting misled by the force sword's high weakspot/crit multipliers

and the fact that weakspots and crits have the same multiplier

[faint heron]

I haven't actually tested it myself but read it from a few different sources when the Illisi was released that this was the case

Il test it after work and see what I come up with

[shadow wigeon]

On Illisi, +crit is probably a fine perk, BUT only if you are hitting a lot of body shots.

[spice veldt]

if you hop into the meatgrinder, you'll see that criticals and critical weakspots will be different

[shadow wigeon]

If you're hitting weakspots, +crit is a bad choice

[spice veldt]

I used to use a bloodthirsty obscurus pre-patch so I'm certain that criticals and critical weakspots have never been the same at least starting from when I started using my bloodthirsty obscurus

and there's the fact that the crit/weakspot multipliers are lowered when you activate your special

[shadow wigeon]

Oh does it scale down because the powered attack is stronger?

[spice veldt]

no idea

perhaps

a crit/weakspot at 80% finesse on light/heavy specials is a 1.476x increase in damage

or a 168.53 flat increase in damage (assuming 80% dmg and first target)

so prob just a different damage profile for the special attack in particular

[calm raven]

are there any notable combos on the illisi I should know about?

[crude cape]

is there a way to tell if ive earned a blessing before

if i dont have a copy of that item type

[shadow wigeon]

If you go to Hadron, and use re-bless menu, you can see all the blessings you have

[crude cape]

but only for the current weapon type thats selected.....

[spice veldt]

yeah there's no other UI to view all your blessings and all that in a single place

[shadow wigeon]

Oh right I see

[crude cape]

ugh

damn

[spice veldt]

none in particular; Illisi is a fairly brainless weapon

spam heavies or do heavy->light

here's some testing that I did under very ideal circumstances

lightspam is also good DPS wise for hordeclear and especially for single target, though the benefit of heavies is that you get to cleave multiple targets and stagger them

otherwise, spam the ever living crap out of the special if space (and peril) permits

[meager plinth]

and if you feel pressured by a horde, just do block-bashes to get some extra safe time for your special-heavy

[spice veldt]

spamming sideways dodges is usually good nuff unless you're literally surrounded because you held W into a horde

witness this amazing display of SKILLS and LOGIC as their attacks miss https://streamable.com/dfg8rx

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/spam-spacebar-spacebar-gif-26859210

[kind jay]

yeah you shouldnt get surrounded because you held W. you should get surrounded because you crab walked into an army to show them the true power of spacebar

[meager plinth]

Infinite dodge treating us good

[kind jay]

that and having a ranged weapon out seems to make the ai director hate you more

i feel safer in a room of gunners with melee out just crabbing around

[spice veldt]

i think that holding out your melee does increase their "take out your melee" range

at least from reading tinyangrycrab's messages

#zealot-class message

[kind jay]

oh for sure it does

i noticed too if i have melee out, gunners tend to favor me less for aggro

its like camo psyker

i have no proof of any of this of course. trust me bro

[digital loom]

they check to see what weapon you have out and how far away you are before making decision

so yeah you can game it

[nocturne badge]

quick question, trauma staff blessings are rending+flurry or rending+nexus?

and perks are probably flak+unarmored

actually nexus is bad, crit damage is low

[spice veldt]

crits on their own aren't too impressive; from what I've seen, it's usually flurry + rending or blazing + nexus

[nocturne badge]

rending + flurry it is

[digital loom]

blazing nexus nice once you get it started

[shadow wigeon]

Focused/Flurry also an option

[digital loom]

blazing nexus only shows its true power when there are a lot of enemies

otherwise its kinda meh

but it gets stronger the more enemies there are

endless horde rooms especially

[meager plinth]

alongside with a fair bit of rng, if blazing doesnt trigger much then its a downgrade

[digital loom]

sometimes sit can take a little bit to get going but you still have a staff that deletes chunks of horde

[spring hamlet]

hey friends

any suggestions on improving this at all?

Aside from lvl 4 slaughter and such, working on getting that

[karmic reef]

For a purgatus build is wildfire or warp battery more impactful?

[shadow wigeon]

Start with battery. Wildfire is sub optimal, but fun, and needs +power to really work.

[long wharf]

wildfire "working" with +power is the same as soulblaze doing more damage with +power

wildfire isn't worth using right now

6 warp charges is superior

[kind jay]

nope like you said just get s4 and youre done

[spring hamlet]

groovy

ty

[crude cape]

ayy my first high shock gauntlet tier 5 win!

ive beaten the high intensity engagement zone tier 5, but that was my first shock troop gauntlet win

thought i did well

assassination mission deimos crushed boss damage

[shadow wigeon]

With +power wildfire spreads almost infinitely through hordes, workout it it really doesn’t. It’s a big difference.

[long wharf]

you mean the same horde that you can kill via purge anyways?

wildfire doesn't synergize with purge usage at all

because you're already applying soulblaze easily

[shadow wigeon]

No, sometimes targets that are very far away, around corners, in spawns etc

[long wharf]

wildfire also only moves at most 4 stacks from an enemy, and doesn't stack more than 4 onto an enemy

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah it’s a different play style. You don’t need to be a fire turret.

[meager plinth]

unless you apply a load of soul blaze and switch to your melee with slaughterer

[shadow wigeon]

That is correct.

[crude cape]

ya i feel like it goes better with a brain burst build also using wrack and ruin, and spreading flames as side dmg

[shadow wigeon]

It’s a fun purg build. I prefer it to battery except on shock hi.

You get to spend more time in melee

[crude cape]

i rock purg + deimos 311112 on the higher difficulties, thats what i won that shock troop tier 5 above with

[meager plinth]

set a horde ablaze and tear through it like paper with a melee with power% blessings

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah that’s the optimal build.

[karmic reef]

So I usually use purg but if I wanted to swap to either brain burst focused or warp charge build with quicken should I make a new psyker or just swap items on my existing one

I kinda wanna do a different voice, but psyker is really painful to level at low levels

[meager plinth]

you can do loadouts fyi

[spice veldt]

i don't like new characters mainly because I'll lose my curios

[shadow wigeon]

You are aware of the war gear sets you can configure?

[shadow wigeon]

Truly the hardest grind in the game.

[spice veldt]

that's the only reason why I don't have 5 psykers (besides the fact that one slot is already taken up by a lvl30 vet)

[meager plinth]

I got a second psyker for getting staff blessings

[spice veldt]

I refuse to play without my crack-enhanced +3 stam curio and sprint efficiency

[shadow wigeon]

In the top right corner of your Loadout screen, press the plus button. You can have 5 load outs.

[crude cape]

yurp. illy is fun but deimos is my bae. With slaughterer you can melee hordes just fine side dodging and light spamming with deimos. the upside of being able to Poke spam on elites and bosses is super high dps, 1-2 shot mutants, and the active locks up an elite or rager whos swinging and you want to CC safely with teammates there. Big hordes just pull out purgatus and press F.
I feel like its the best psyker build overall lol but just my preference i guess

[kind jay]

ive made a single decent 3stam curio

[meager plinth]

How do you perform against shooter squads?

[kind jay]

and ill never take it off

[spice veldt]

here's mah boi

[kind jay]

quality of life is best life

[crude cape]

me? its def the builds weakness... but you can deal with them brain bursting, or ulting them with full stacks, purgatus M1ing to stagger then slide in. Dodge + block with deflector. Or stick behind cover and BB 1 at a time while the vets help, then deal with everything else

[hidden crystal]

Does that one actually work on missions?

[kind jay]

yeah why?

[meager plinth]

stack 3x3stamina curios

[hidden crystal]

Because I've got one with a 75 Blessing Rating, and despite saying +3 it only provides +2 once you're in mission, and searching the Fatshark forums it seems several people had a similar problem.

[spice veldt]

I used to stack 3 stamina curios back when they all only gave 1 bar of stamina

[crude cape]

who needs wounds or stamina when you can rock 3 HP curios and stack HP and some toughness

[hidden crystal]

I've got a 77 rating one that does provide a full +3, but the 75 rating one is only good for +2 in game.

[kind jay]

oh well i mean i dont use wounds personally

my other ones are 2x hp

[hidden crystal]

Annoyingly though, it does work in the Psykanium, making it harder to get screenshots for a bug report.

[crude cape]

kinetic deflection + deflector on sword, and my sword has +1 stamina (not really ideal, just got stuck with it and it works) I dont find the need for any stamina curios

[spice veldt]

I don't run kinetic deflection, so stamina is almost necessary

[crude cape]

do you find dropping 20 or 21% hp, or 17% toughness is worth +3 stamina, and why?

[spice veldt]

I spend most of my time in melee, so it's worth it for my playstyle to avoid getting guardbroken

[crude cape]

ah that makes sense. why not? i find it like a must-have feat lol

[spice veldt]

in exchange, I run kinetic shield which is equivalent to running a toughness curio

I run the Trauma staff which covers my ability to revive

[hidden crystal]

The 75 rating one would actually be brilliant if it didn't have the stupid bug, because it's also got a T4 Stamina Regen and Toughness Regen.

[spice veldt]

so I find kinetic deflection a bit excessive since I won't ever need to block that much

[crude cape]

interesting

gotcha

you use illy + trauma?"

[spice veldt]

ye

illisi being my main weapon

I generally don't like using trauma because it can throw enemies around

but it's a safe weapon to bring in case crushers are hanging outside an airlock

[kind jay]

i like having a stam curio because it allows a bit more aggressive play

[spice veldt]

and it's overall way too good to not use

[crude cape]

just find deimos poke too good to give up

[spice veldt]

illisi's special puts in some work, especially when enemies are mixed within a horde

[crude cape]

doubled boss dmg of the next guy in the squad earlier on assassinatino mission, just poke dodging with deimos lol

[kind jay]

frankly i wish there were more offense oriented curios

[crude cape]

ya if you're meleeing hordes its better

but im usually meleeing elites and hordes to buy space to flame

[spice veldt]

this is the work that illisi can put in

[hidden crystal]

I did have a mission a couple back where between a +3 Stamina curio, kinetic deflector, and some careful dodging, I could make deflector last long enough to close down on no fewer than five scab gunners.

[crude cape]

whats ur feat build

[digital loom]

https://tenor.com/view/cia-terry-terry-a-davis-terry-a-davis-got-the-moves-cool-dance-gif-14065988

[spice veldt]

312233

[hidden crystal]

Well... and three T3 gunner resist perks.

[meager plinth]

after playing hi-int shock troop gauntlet, the temptation to get resistance to bomber is greater

[crude cape]

I feel like that build could work with surge too as support cc staff, using illy mainly right?

[spice veldt]

yup

just melee focused

I only whip out trauma for ranged groups that are too numerous or far to dive with melee

or for groups of melee elites

though in that game, I played particularly safe by using the trauma instead of diving with melee

so that's why my ranged damage is higher than usual

[kind jay]

why does malice have hi shock but dam has low dogs

i blame derpy for this

ive made a grave mistake

i got curious and queued up and loaded into disaster

although i heard a line i havent yet

huh if you right click the play button it plays the sound but doesnt actually queue up

[kind jay]

look how inefficient i am

number go up!

[cyan portal]

https://youtu.be/KJbsxyYwvdI This is why I run +3 stam curio with kinetic deflection.

[cyan notch]

its nice but you often arent pure tanking an entire volley without moving to cover or dodging

[ocean cipher]

worth a pickup? in case staffs get fixed

[kind jay]

no

like, you can grab it to use for leveling

[cyan portal]

Sure, but with some dodging it lets you close into pretty much any number of shooters.

[kind jay]

but thats not something youre gonna keep

[ocean cipher]

i mean

for warp flurry

i dont like surge staffs

but im wondering if the bug with blessings might get fixed

[kind jay]

that flurry only works on surge

[ocean cipher]

i know

[kind jay]

staves dont share blessings

[ocean cipher]

im saying if it gets fixed

[kind jay]

oh

[cyan portal]

It also has the same effect on blocking melee hits, letting you get off a rez surrounded by pretty much everything that respects blocks.

[kind jay]

i mean still no, its only level 1

you can easily farm a 3

[ocean cipher]

fair

im waiting to find a trauma with flurry

i like the trauma but cant stand it at low level

does flurry make a staff use more peril?

like say my first charge consumes 20 peril, will the next one at -5% charge time consume the same amount in less time?

[formal ridge]

hue hue hue

[kind jay]

it uses less because you charge faster

[ocean cipher]

so will it be 20%, 20%, 20%, 20%, or will it be like 20, 19, 18, 17, etc

oh ok

thats sick

whats the max bonus from t3 flurry?

[kind jay]

like the amount doesnt change, but youre spending less time gaining peril from charging

t3 is 40%

[ocean cipher]

._.

was expecting like, 6% per stack not 8%

is there a t4?

[kind jay]

yup

50%

[ocean cipher]

holy fuck

so .5s charge on a max trauma?

that sounds insane and i also have a new goal

[forest coral]

Can confirm very good

[ocean cipher]

that sounds fuckin nutty

[kind jay]

flurry is a meta pick for trauma

for that reason

paired with rending you basically become the reject version of a bomber

[forest coral]

Yup and what it crazier is not only will it gib horde and flak units in the epicentre once u have a good staff, there is no target cap in the aoe and everything else around it gets staggered or yeeted.

Only exception is mutie and monsties

[ocean cipher]

so i want max everything dump quell speed?

[forest coral]

I think the magic number for damage is 76% iirc

And you’ll want infested as a perk as odd as that sounds

[cyan portal]

Flurry is meta on every staff, because it reduces the peril cost of charging. Surge and Purga add Nexus, Trauma adds brittle thing, Void adds transfer peril.

[forest coral]

Trauma with flurry and brittleness ye

[formal ridge]

Turn this into a mutie 1 shotter, or keep the deflector build... I need 33% damage net, so 25 maniac perk, but do I remove 20 block efficiency...

if I replace weak spot then I need 41% total damage; 41-25 = 16% damage... I could replace deflector with unstable 3 and thatd prob do it

[cyan notch]

u can keep deflector

with warp unleashed and warp charges and slaughterer theres a ton of ways to up your damage

[formal ridge]

Im at 6 warp charges

i just dont want to get rid of block efficiency but I may have to

[cyan notch]

weak spot damage is garbage

u can change that to maniac

[formal ridge]

then ill need another 16%

[cyan notch]

warp unleashed

[formal ridge]

oh if I replace melee weakspot with maniac then I think I can just do a surge stun>one shot

2932 dmg now, need 1070 to kill

[kind jay]

brunt pls

[formal ridge]

lol

[kind jay]

bruuuunt

[fresh steeple]

hehe

that's big luls

once a month I decide to neglect my own advice about never wasting money on Brunt and getting bases from hourly refresh shop instead

and I waste 300k gold for nothing, sigh, and get ready to neglect my own advice the next round

just realized, incidentally, that I now have a max stat double-bis-blessing for 3/4 of my staves

no max stat Surge yet, though

[shy prairie]

brunt usually hands out 360+ for me, which i personally don't feel bad about upgrading

but then hadron finds a way to give me two useless t4s in a row

[formal ridge]

man

[fresh steeple]

I only get 360s on rare occasion from him, methinks

[formal ridge]

I shoulda replaced the block effiencty lol

[shy prairie]

give him more money

[formal ridge]

damn it

[fresh steeple]

but I have the irl capacity to check hourly shop from my office at work, so 99% of the bases I use come from there

[kind jay]

damn

[fresh steeple]

hence why I have so many 380s of different weapons, since I can just be omnipresent in the shop while doing other things

[kind jay]

im so mad at this

[fresh steeple]

why?

[kind jay]

i really wanted the other perk for maniacs

[shy prairie]

simply delegate the maniacs to your team by walking backwards

[fresh steeple]

eh, Surge doesn't really do damage anyway unless it's an armored target

I wouldn't fret it that much

they both look very nice to me

[kind jay]

they are both super nice

[formal ridge]

fml

[kind jay]

i just need to find nexus 4

[formal ridge]

oh well i can do a follow up attack fuck it

[fresh steeple]

crossing my fingers that the update will allow us to upgrade tiers of blessings/perks

I really don't think they'll ever remove the unlock feature in any reasonable period of time

[shy prairie]

find yourself a thrust IV chain axe and one shot those crushers

[fresh steeple]

but I could see them allowing a tier upgrade for some exorbitant cost

[kind jay]

where is my thrust 4 force chain axe

[shy prairie]

in the dreadknight storage

[formal ridge]

wait

im an idiot

I didnt know you could heavy attack a mutie lol

[fresh steeple]

aren't we all?

[formal ridge]

yeah we are

I can easily one shot it

[fresh steeple]

that's... that's the whole idea

[formal ridge]

lmao

[shy prairie]

psykers share the same braincell

[formal ridge]

I was light attacking

I though all atacks were the same

on charge

[fresh steeple]

light into prepared second heavy

and stab it in the face as it charges in

[formal ridge]

omg im dumb, thanks for telling to me to remove weak spot

that was good

lol

[fresh steeple]

if done with the correct perks/blessings/etc. you'll one shot them

but it has to specifically be the head

[formal ridge]

yeah heavy attack, 6 stacks max peril it does it

easy to set up

the sword has 32% peril generation

[shy prairie]

me -> the poxwalker that decided to spawn behind me and hit me once

https://tenor.com/view/psyker-dawn-of-war-warhammer40k-command-squad-imperial-guard-gif-23571492

[fresh steeple]

I will note that you CAN one-shot them with special attacks, too

but it requires more setup

at max warp charges I can one-shot them with a 25% Maniac Level 4 Unstable sword at 80+% Peril regardless of where I hit

as long as it's a special attack

special heavy* attack, that is

which I honestly prefer doing simply because I find it easier to do in crowded scenarios. The "aim-at-the-head-with-a-perfectly-charged-heavy-attack-and-nothing-else-to-hit-you" setup works, if there's nothing else trying to hit you

[formal ridge]

im running surge (right now) so theres a huge buffer for me

[fresh steeple]

fair enough

[formal ridge]

im lazy

[fresh steeple]

then you should use specials anyway XD

no need to aim or perform combos

I use them primarily out of laziness too

[formal ridge]

the problem is when the game sends me 2 hounds

its happened twice tonight

[fresh steeple]

why would that be a problem?

[formal ridge]

the game literally makes the second jump while im stun locked lol

so now im just gonna light poke and then make sure theres not 2

swear it happened twice

nothing i could do but not special in the first place

[fresh steeple]

gotcha

[formal ridge]

man... i just now STG, set up the perfect combo, to kill the mutie and the zealot came up behind me and stole the kill

I max peril surge stunned, then charge up sword, attacked (forgot to heavy) the mutie had 1 hp left, the zealot attacked and stole it

I quit the match lol

[fresh steeple]

... why would you quit the match?

[hollow creek]

skill issue

[kind jay]

ah yes

the hidden difficulty 7

[forest coral]

its too difficult, why would they do this

[steep bridge]

people in DT be like "bruh stole my elite kill" while there's absolutely no green circles to chase, so i could play theis entire game one handed while observing Hadron's ... pneumatics, and you wouldn't know

[pine ice]

what blessings/perks do i replace

[hearty python]

swap crit damage, I'd go Carapace for crusher/mauler headshot or Flak for special/elite coverage. Slaughterer is basically BIS for swords, swap whichever you don't think you'll get more use out of.

[hybrid solstice]

this is literally the first 380 weapon ive ever found

but yeesh

[kind jay]

about to be the first 380 youve ever thrown out

[formal ridge]

just started right at entrance

[primal plume]

I really wish surge worked like purgatus

or was just something you could keep going if you had the peril

instead of spamming just keep channeling it and hold something down

[ornate hamlet]

My condolences

[molten atlas]

I have this mk V force sword with lv3 slaughter. which is a better second blessing? Deflector or Bloodthirsty?

[meager plinth]

Both of good, depends if you want more survivability

[ornate hamlet]

If the Mk5 is the illisi, bloodthirsty can work better than the other ones that don't get you stuck on an animation, but generally I think slaughterer is enough and would put deflector on it for those "oh god oh fuck oh shit jesus christ what is happening someone help me" moments

[quasi pier]

I like executor + slaughterer for illisi because headshots are easy to get

Unstable power good too

Deflector is cool, but dodging and sliding is cooler

[kind jay]

yeah i'd like something like a constant chain lightning on lmb with a higher target cap the longer you hold it. and rmb changed to a single target lightning bolt from the sky for precision shots

[acoustic gulch]

Wonder if to switch to 5% Chance or keep the flack

[granite dust]

5% + Warp Nexus 80% peril - downside of this staff is Warp Resistance but overall it looks pretty good

[neat sand]

You have won darktide with that weapon, congratulations XD please leave it to me in your will Lol

[granite dust]

80% Quell should do the trick

[stuck mica]

The first actual red weapon I've seen

[acoustic gulch]

IF we could only trade our gear with other players...

[acoustic gulch]

red?

[stuck mica]

In Vermintide there was a red rarity above orange, which was the same as orange but all the stats were automatically rolled at maximum values. It was basically the ideal weapon that couldn't get any better.

[deft gorge]

reds were goals until suddenly i was flooded with red handmaiden spears

[supple skiff]

im sure at some point we'll get items with values that go past 80%

not sure what that will mean for power creep in the content we already have

but Id question the rationale as have 80% be a functional 100%

[granite mauve]

100% will probably be exclusive to the speculated red rarity

[wet belfry]

I think next week might give more info

6th difficulty has been somewhat datamined.

Theres at-least some possibility that the next update will add it.

Theres also “new char content” which the devs are apparently focused on

Whatever that means is to be hypothesized.

[granite dust]

New maps is what we need. Working achieves for Flash Missions from missions with Power Interruption - not another "minor balances" and few cosmetics... "Panem et circenses"...

[shy prairie]

more circuses and more bread

please

[late yew]

what to replace?

[vestal raven]

id swap out elites imo 10% prob wont do anything, go unarmored or flak instead

[wet belfry]

No

Dont

Elites is much better then carapace for this weapon

Carapace is just crushers

Having elites can give reliable breakpoints on shotgunners.

carapace —-> flak. This gives hits a breakpoint where u can 1shot shotgunners with a single blast. On crit 1 shot flak ragers.

Blessings are both pretty good.

Mostly depends on what the trauma will be used for.

[karmic delta]

That was super difficult. But we managed to beat Damnation Hi-Intensity Shock Gauntlet. 0 deaths. Holy.

[jaunty moth]

good job

[undone badge]

nice

[kind jay]

so close

fatshark pls give gromrail armor

[idle bay]

You'll get Untouchable one day - it's easier than you think when you don;t think about getting it 🙂

[kind jay]

oh i already have it

it was on sniper gauntlet just now

i like when theres like 18 in a room

[karmic copper]

Fucking f. I love reading through here doing my stretches every day..

[cyan notch]

i thought that was 15 health stations used lmao

[kind jay]

you know

no no im not going to

[cyan notch]

100% toughness already is gromril though

you get like infinite free hits

[spice veldt]

smh too scared to do it

[kind jay]

ok real talk. how many heals do you think i can waste before i get kicked out

[spice veldt]

teammates will probably notice if you do 2

but they prob won't be paying attention to who uses the medicae

[kind jay]

maybe if i do it at 1 hp loss itll be harder to notice

[cyan notch]

just take a grim

[kind jay]

oh true

[vestal raven]

what should i do to this

sustained fire and maniac or flak?

[kind jay]

blazing> transfer

perk your choice

[unreal harness]

I have seen the light, gun psyker is the way

[fathom adder]

Yes, unfortunately I can see the autopistol being nerfed to the ground in the big patch if it contains balance tweaks

[acoustic gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/general-zod-heresy-man-of-steel-superman-destroy-it-gif-25934938

[unreal harness]

Then I can efficiently kill everything in the game, hordes, highlightables, and shooters

[neat sand]

If you can get the ammo before the ogryn, sharpshooter and the autogun preacher :p
Staff is love staff is life XD

[fathom adder]

Staff is great until there are dispersed and distant shooters (i.e. all of the time), voidstrike has to fully charge on each one and the rest can't reach

[unreal harness]

It's fine my team always dies

[fathom adder]

Also surge only tickles them if they happen to be Dregs instead of Scabs, because fuck you

[neat sand]

Killing is not where the surge shiny hard Cc so the preacher or ogryn can do what they are made for without fear of death 🙂 but I still love my flame staff "blue" flame ftw

[undone badge]

I always wondered that about aoe weps like surge, purg and flamer. you can't hit weakspots with those so does it always use the enemy's torso armour type for calculating bonuses? like a scab bruiser is flak cos it has a flak armoured body so +25% flak is good on a purg against them

[kind jay]

just crab walk through the room and force them all into melee

put them inf dodges to use

[spice veldt]

that seems to be case where with the only unusual case being the reaper where they're counted as unyielding for purg/surge/trauma even though the majority of their torso is flak; I guess they do have Unyielding exposed under the armour that you can shoot under

[twilit flicker]

It's true, bullets kill faster than charging BB, walking up into melee to swing a sword, fire, and the death orb that void shoots. It's actually near instant!

About as fast as a prepared charged shot, or bb. You think?

[north cradle]

Technically correct yes

Whenever I'm playing Veteran or Psyker, I tend to top the scoreboard for Elite and Specialist kills, though sometimes there's a cracked out Bolter boi who manages to surpass me

Whoever you crazy bastards are, I salute you

Nothing beats being in a Shock Troop Gauntlet, activating Kinetic Barrage, deleting all the spawns, then having Kinetic Barrage ready again

And I can kill a Mutant with two Illisi charged heavies, or a Brain Burst and a charged heavy. It's so good.

Whatever Force Sword you guys are using, get Flak and Maniac on it. You will not regret it

My old Obscurus could one-tap Dreg Ragers at six Warp Charges

[kind jay]

i wish trauma aimed at the crosshair

though i guess some people might like it this way

an option would be even better

[crude cape]

went back to vermintide 2 (I played it on launch, but not a whole lot)
everyone talks it up as better, and ya it has more complete systems/content etc

but man....

you can feel the evolution in darktide

in how smooth the melee combat is, sprinting, responsiveness of dodging pushing blocking, graphics

im sure vt2 is still great

but the combat really did feel way more simple going back

not to mention the guns here

i haven't played Sienna yet tho to compare her to psyker

[kind jay]

psyker lacks beam staff and as such can never reach sienna tier

the thing about sienna is that her staves are so good you actually don't even need melee ever

she does lack bb though vt isn't as ranged heavy

[weary palm]

famished psyker when

[vivid saffron]

Can someone tell me what to run with Trauma Staff? Like what Talents Build?

Psyker needs Coruscation Staff to reach her true potential

[shy prairie]

brunt is generous, sometimes

[south zephyr]

what feats are recommended for gun psyker?

[meager plinth]

What gun you using?

[south zephyr]

open to suggestions, though have been using PF/BA shredder cause... you know... it's busted

[meager plinth]

Personally I use 131123

[south zephyr]

this?

[meager plinth]

Use kinetic barrage to deal with armored n elites and use wrack n ruin + wildfire alongside your shredder's pinning fire to cleanup everything

Yep

[karmic delta]

I went Top (1) to bottom (3):
2 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 3 -3

Shredder should be paired with Kinetic Flayer

[meager plinth]

You can also use t1 Quietitude if you use an Illiso FS to raise your peril before engagements, that would let you use the other options on t3

[karmic delta]

Much better than Wildfire

I dont see much mileage out of Wildfire on Gun Psyker builds

[meager plinth]

I'm curious how do you keep your peril high for warp unleashed and kinetic shield?

[karmic delta]

Dont forget to use BB...

[south zephyr]

I just spam special on Illisi myself

when needed

[karmic delta]

And Masturbate the Illisi ...

[south zephyr]

not the best, but pretty damn good

[karmic delta]

Solid

Good perks too

[meager plinth]

Do you find it better to use psychic communion + quicken than psykinetic aura + kinetic barrage?

In higher difficulty situations the cooldown difference isn't that high + you get the faster BB and cooldown regen for your teammates

[karmic delta]

I mean Ideally you want to keep your warp charges as Gun Psyker

Quicken just gets rid of it

Kinetic Barrage keeps all your warp charges + quick BB should you need it

[meager plinth]

Oh nvm I read your feats wrong

[karmic delta]

Psychic Communion because It'll help keep your Charges

[meager plinth]

A bit overkill if you have kinetic barrage tho

You could benefit more from the other two as long as you don't let them decay too much

[south zephyr]

taking Flayer over Battery means you lose the 2 BB breakpoint on crushers

among others

[karmic delta]

I dont really concern myself with breakpoints

especially on Crushers

[weary palm]

you can swap to staff/gun and lightly tap them for a kill

i run battery and resist per stack for giga infinite spam of hell

[crude gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y4V9oFQJfA&list=LL&index=2&t=199s

he also does anther good video showing some things he switch's up

[spice veldt]

I dont build peril specifically for warp unleashed or kinetic shield; they're just convenient bonuses if my peril happens to be high

the only exception is against ranged groups when I'm planning to monkey into them with melee, where I'll stay at 90-ish peril for kinetic shield

oh oops this discussion is about gunpsyker

[south zephyr]

@spice veldt what feats you running with gun psyker?

[spice veldt]

I just stick to my usual feats and bring a low warp res force sword

[south zephyr]

which feats are those, though?

[spice veldt]

312233

[south zephyr]

No communion? Relying on Flayer to maintain passively?

[spice veldt]

yup

[south zephyr]

btw, how exactly does kinetic shield work? is it base 10% always, or just the moment you have 1% peril you gain 10% and it goes up from there?

[vivid saffron]

Not gonna lie, Psyker’s attacks are highly overkill for most stuff anyway, so trying to reach the BB breakpoint for Crushers is imho not worth it.

[shy prairie]

uncanny/slaughterer for deimos ye

[spice veldt]

10% base yeah

[south zephyr]

Essence harvest seems like it might be more consistent regen than Quietude since you have Flayer proccing every ~15 seconds

but mostly just a theory

BB counts as a warp attack in regards to Warp Absorption, right?

[long wharf]

yes

[near wyvern]

No trauma no carry

[hollow current]

fantastic death blossom to blind all of your teammates.

[crude cape]

...worthy base stats?

[hollow current]

pretty good. Warp resistance is always a dump stat.

[near wyvern]

Give damage table

[crude cape]

on what attack?

[near wyvern]

Light and heavy

[near wyvern]

Sweet infested 300

So what you want is +flak, +maniac or +unyielding

[crude cape]

infested 300 is what i want, on heavy, which means I don't need +infested?

[near wyvern]

Yup

[crude cape]

didn't know that, ty

oh god i hope it rolls well

im out of plasteel gotta go grind a bit

[near wyvern]

That's a one shot on pox walkers even without any buffs when you have infested 300

[crude cape]

ive spent AT LEAST 400k gold

rolling white illys

this is the best white base ive gotten

[near wyvern]

And you have one shot on groners on light heads as well (200)

Without any buffs

So you can focus on the +flak, +maniac, whatever else you want to improve your damage against

[crude cape]

actually i have 1k plasteel

so im ok

[near wyvern]

And of course Slaugherer is a mandatory blessing

[crude cape]

first upgrade...not terrible i guess

[hollow current]

Hadron still has time to brick the blessings

[crude cape]

basically i need it to roll slaughterer 3+, deflector, or its bust lol

if i dont rock deflector, what do i want

[hollow current]

slaughterer is all you need tho rly i guess

[crude cape]

uncanny?

[near wyvern]

Not necessarily, there is unstable power and executor which are decent

Uncanny is not that good since you will be spamming heavies anyways

[crude cape]

lets go!!

[near wyvern]

And only carapace has less than base on heavies

[crude cape]

so now its useable no matter what it rolls

[near wyvern]

There we go, sword is saved

[crude cape]

but preferably I want a +25 flak or maniac

if i can get a +25 flak or maniac, i can reroll the unyielding and have that be my 'flex' on i can change around

[near wyvern]

Unyielding is fun as well, since the special does bonus damage against unyielding you can probs one shot a bulwark with special heavy head and some warp charges

At least it's easy one shot if you open it up first with BB and then special heavy the head

[south zephyr]

just got PF4

[near wyvern]

Stronk

[hollow current]

decent perks too

[crude cape]

cool good to know

[robust jungle]

zealot main who is leveling a psyker alt rn, what are the generally horde clear combos for the illisi and deimos? spam lights or do i add heavies for mixed crowds?

[crude cape]

i rock unyielding on my deimos, and poke away on bosses

its fun

[south zephyr]

illisi light spam with the occasional special heavy is very effective

[crude cape]

you can spam lights on both, tbh. Deimos make sure you're dodging a lot its not as good at horde clear, but mastering the light->heavy poke combo is a must for deimos. Single hardest hitting weapon attack (not counting active abilities) in the game. (Mostly used on maulers, armored guys, elites, mutants, dogs, ragers etc) Deimos also has a decent heavy->light combo too which does diagonals, but i find dodge spamming and light attacking works good on hordes

[near wyvern]

Illisi, you ideally want to do heavy heavy but heavy light is a safer and a solid combo as well (heavy heavy requires dodging)

For Deimos you want to funnel them in to a line and do light heavy, otherwise it's just light spam and Slaugherer is a must in that case.

[robust jungle]

I see. Do you guys generally have a graphic or guide on current meta builds to try or is asking this channel the way to go?

also, as a zealot main, your melee weapons are super satisfying

you guys got the good shit on lock

[hollow current]

😆

[south zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-johnson-noodles-gif-25332413

which staff (non surge), is the most viable atm? Void?

[crude cape]

so, not a good final perk roll. Had to get unlucky eventually on this one lol. Guess im keeping the Unyielding and rerolling the 8% is the play, right?

[crude cape]

the unique ones are all fun. I used to be a big rapier simp, they're great. But the two new force swords both being some of the best melee weapons i believe in the WHOLE GAME are hard to not use. I want them to buff some of the others a bit, like the rapiers special poke ability seems useless lol, buff that shit

but ya, deimos and illy feel great to use

Illy is just general monster of aoe clear and good horizontal strikes, good dmg values

[robust jungle]

playing psyker made me realize i wanted a sub class that really took advantage of melee with rapiers

having a magic swordsman kind of archetype

[crude cape]

Deimos is a bit more niche, and skill based, gotta master the poke combo. But holy shit its fun. Having more dmg on a little poke than any other weapon attack in the game is awesome - especially when stacked up with all the % dmg buffs psykers get. Deimos is my personal favorite, but def takes more precision and practice to get good use out of

[near wyvern]

Current meta builds are:

• horde clear ranged -> Deimos
• ranged lacks horde clear -> Illisi

Feat wise everything goes but Wildfire is bugged, Wrack and Ruin is not good because it's hard to land it and Mind in Motion is useless garbage (staves have lesser movement penalty when quelling and use your dodges FFS)

Warp Unleashed (second tier top one) is a default pick unless you are running a Warp Flurry trauma staff which you pair with inner tranquility and warp battery.

Other than that all feats work, Warp Absoption is still a bit worse than the other two options (first tier of talents) because it gives toughness when you don't need it. Ranged enemies are the only thing that pose a danger to you and it's hard to get it to proc enough when you are fighting ranged enemies.

A good levelling build is go play gun psyker up to lvl 20-25, the staves suck before you get to better stats and then they ramp up in usage. Purgatus is the easiest to use effectively and is the least roll dependant of them all. You can even use a white shit purgatus on Damantion and pull your weight.

If you have trouble to decide the one build (111111) works wonders for levelling, use guns and Illisi.

[south zephyr]

WU is top second tier

[near wyvern]

Thanks, I should sleep more

[weary palm]

what should i roll off

[spice veldt]

a subtle attempt to trick people into using wrack & ruin smh

[crude cape]

terrifying barrage, see what the other blessing is i guess on legend

purg staggers naturallyu

dont need barrage

my understanding is it doesn't end up doing much

[robust jungle]

thanks, i was pretty iffy on the warp absorption so it's good to know there are better options

[weary palm]

procs off direct damage only iirc

[near wyvern]

Void suffers a bit especially at damnation+ since it's not that great for dealing with elites. Purgatus and Trauma are your best all around damage staves, however if your team is like having a bolter vet, void is a very solid option.

[crude cape]

Quietude, just gotta actively recognize you have it and quell for toughness, but it also happens naturally. Also means pressing your ult when high peril quells you and gives you toughness back

[robust jungle]

that makes a lot of sense

[crude cape]

also means a staff with decent quell speed

actually makes a difference

i have pretty good quell on mine and when i hit 100, i can dodge back and quell down and fill my toughness bar pretty damn fast

[weary palm]

i unironically struggle with toughness the most on psyker

[crude cape]

you'll also get in the habit of doing "mini quells" while you dodge, in between staff charges when things get hectic

[crude cape]

takes some practice, but i also just specced out of it recently and went all HP personally

figure we are the weakness 'toughness' class, why lean into it?

[weary palm]

i dont run any tough either

[crude cape]

i still rock toughness regain % on curios tho, that helps

[weary palm]

still gets popped in one burst

[crude cape]

ill make you an image of my flame build

i play on damnation all the time with it

works well

might not be PERFECT BIS items

but its not bad

[robust jungle]

im down to hear different perspectives on good builds

zealots I feel like I have to be super anal about my blessings

while vet is very flexible, psyker seems to be in the middle

[near wyvern]

The truth about good psyker builds is that there is no single best. It all comes down to the team comp. But psyker has perhaps one of the widest selection of viable builds to fill pretty much any role that is needed.

[weary palm]

y'all prefer aura or lacerations? been trying them out instead of communion

[robust jungle]

that's good to know. Sounds like fatshark did a good job of balancing psykers back to a good place

[spice veldt]

I like to run aura + flayer

[near wyvern]

The only 'truths' for psyker at the moment are Illisi, Deimos and Warp Unleashed. Inner Tranq gets an ok on Trauma just because Warp Flurry needs it and trauma one shots trash anyways, but ourside of that if you are not using Illisi/Deimos + Warp Unleashed you are memeing.

[weary palm]

hm sounds pretty good

i've been addicted to warp battery since the release though

[spice veldt]

the only thing that we lack are any single-target burst DPS staffs

[weary palm]

bricked

[robust jungle]

what is warp unleashed again?

[weary palm]

unless exorcist is a secret quietitude meme

[crude cape]

This is my full build, hope it helps. Not claiming its even close to the best but works well for me. keep in mind some of the curio perks are not only preference, but curio RNG is a bitch, you can play for a long time hunting the perfect ones and Im just kind of ok with these for now lol. I do wish I had a couple +sniper resist tho on there.

[robust jungle]

oh yeah bro, i looked at that eat for like a second and i made my decision

seems like deflector is not necessarily the community's bis but it seems to be the most fun for those who are really into psyker

[weary palm]

deflector is my crutch against shooters

vet has counterfire, zealot has move modifiers, ogryn is fat

psyker is wet tissue i feel

[near wyvern]

Deflector has the same status as a slab shield. It's a noob trap but it has a couple niche but really strong use cases.

[robust jungle]

zealot is just slip and slide till your hammer meets someone's face lol

[spice veldt]

psyker is pretty good defensively if you abuse the shit out of force sword's infinite dodges

[crude cape]

it helps a lot, is fun honestly bc you can do something no one else can but also especially with a purgatus build your weakness is ranged gunners

sometimes you get caught out

and you need to just be able to block and dodge out of there

i dont find the need for a 2nd dmg perk on an illy or deimos, slaughterer has you covered....you COULD

[spice veldt]

practice timing dodge slides and you can be extremely out of position and safe

[crude cape]

but i find its not worth the trade off for the utility of deflector

I take it a step further, and I always rock Kinetic Deflection mostly too

[robust jungle]

the good thing about your build is you have slots to upgrade the deimos and purge

[crude cape]

bc being able to block a whole horde while you're ressing, or step in front of an ally while THEY res and block a room of gunners with your peril is awesome

[weary palm]

kinetic deflection is beyond incredible imo for free pushes/sprinting

[crude cape]

see i wouldn't call it a noob trap. Deimos and illy do not need a 2nd dmg blessing to just crush everything. The utility it gives you and to pull out of a bad situation facing a bunch of gunners is worth it, IMO

i literally stepped in front of a zealot rezzing a teammate last night, who couldn't do it bc of all the gunners

and i blocked the gunners and let him rez

its def useful

this was on damnation

[weary palm]

gunner resist apparently works only for the specials in case you were taking them for regular shooters

[crude cape]

BUT, if you're a gigachad and you play perfectly and dmg > everything else and you don't care for utility?
Ya, then no need to rock deflector

but i find it useful and fun, and i don't notice a 2nd damage blessing on deimos or illy much anyway, since they crush so hard

[crude cape]

ya, i was told this after i rolled some of those. But ya still think its useable, but ive been working on new curios. Ideally would want sniper resist ive decided

[near wyvern]

It's a noob trap in the sense that some people start cosplaying a Jedi and blocking shots when they could be killing shit. (Just like some slab ogryns walk into a fight, put the shield down and stand there until it's over).

There are moments to do that, like covering a res, blocking fire from vet so he can get rid of supression and deal with the ranged, blocking a choke that you must go through but there are like 6 gunners and 2 shotgunners and 3 reapers blasting that door, but even then you do it just so that your allies can supress the enemies and then it's time to move on, not stand and stay there.

[wet belfry]

You dont wanna be the utility guy.

You wanna be the damage guy and get those sweet scoreboard points.

Every game be the carry.

[weary palm]

speaking of resists i heard bomber works only on their fucking MELEES

[robust jungle]

i went out of my way to mod the game and not include scoreboard so i dont tunnel vision too hard onstats

[robust jungle]

wtf?

[wet belfry]

Look at this glorious orange

And all the special kills

You want to be this psyker!

[crude cape]

oh ya, thats a trap. Ya its best used to cover a res, cover another gunner teammate, push up a choke point using slides + block and engage ranged enemies in melee.

I also frequently use it when a group of gunners, or elite gunner suddenly targets me when im out of position. Being able to put up block and dodge out and take no chip dmg im a huge fan of. I rock no wounds atm, so i do everything i can to avoid chip dmg, and when i swap out defelctor I find I take WAY more chip dmg.

Maybe its a crutch, but its become a reflex for me to block when im being lit up lol

[robust jungle]

I mean, I'm a crutch when I decide to bring knife/shotty as zealot to hi int, so it's only fair psykers get to use deflector

[crude cape]

?? you can be both? Having utility doesn't mean you cant dmg and carry. We have tons of utility, why not use it?

what benefit do you get out of not rocking deflector anyway

your illy kills trash in .5 swings instead of 1 swing?

lol

[wet belfry]

I run unstable power for the 2 bp on mutants with illisi.

[hollow current]

oh boy it's error 3001 o'clock again

[crude cape]

i dont find the 2nd dmg perk that beneficial

[wet belfry]

More damage is also more damage.

[crude cape]

what is BP

[weary palm]

more damage doesn't matter if you don't hit any breakpoints

[wet belfry]

breakpoint.

[weary palm]

except boss damage but lmao

[crude cape]

ah

ya but an illy is never gonna match a deimos poking on boss dmg i dont think anyway

[spice veldt]

unstable power also lets you one-shot groaners with the minimum cleave damage; aka one-shotting 28 full health groaners

[crude cape]

i outdamaged the entire team on boss damage on a high intensity tier 5 last night assassination mission, just poke dodging the final boss with deimos lol

ill try it out, just love deflector tho

[round jay]

What is the overkill damage? I never know what it is

[spice veldt]

only if you're comfortable with dodge-sliding

nothing wrong with taking deflector

[wet belfry]

Damage that goes over the breakpoint

[near wyvern]

Only if you could have 28 stacked in a real game

[wet belfry]

Extra damage basically

[spice veldt]

I'd take deflector if I wanted to win games

[crude cape]

i dodge a lot, and i slide a lot. Im not sure I "dodge slide"

[wet belfry]

So for a example if a BB was to kill a poxwalker a bb deals like 1000 damage, a poxwalker has 300 health

[spice veldt]

you're not going to have 28 stacked, but you're also going to hit 8+ groaners in a single swing more often than not

[wet belfry]

300 is damage, 700 is overkill.

[round jay]

Like dealing 125 damage to a 100hp target. Then 100 goes to the damage and 25 to the overkill?

[near wyvern]

Basically how much damage was wasted (the amount of damage that went over the max health of mobs when they were killed).

[spice veldt]

dodge-slide is when you initiate a slide from a dodge

[wet belfry]

yes

[round jay]

kk, thx for the answer!

[weary palm]

i love overkill damage for my stats

[near wyvern]

If you only BB through whole run you gonna have some crazy overkill stats.

[weary palm]

(hagbane gaming)

[crude cape]

thats it?

[spice veldt]

yup

[crude cape]

i dont do it alot, i find it just gets me smacked

half the time i slide, i get hit by trash

so i just keep dodging

[spice veldt]

the benefit of dodge-slides over sprint-slides is that you're going to be in a dodge state 99% of the time

the dodge-slide is against ranged enemies

or for the extra distance to dodge running melee attacks

[crude cape]

ah ya, i do it against ranged

[weary palm]

just sprinting diagonally dodges most shots

[crude cape]

but whenever i slide in melee, i ALWAYS get hit

[south zephyr]

deflector (even without the blocking feat) is nice for when you need to block a few shots, but as long as your FS has slaughterer, doesn't matter what the second blessing is imo

[spice veldt]

slower to reach enemies with perpednciular sprints

[crude cape]

my horde clear strat with deimos is just infinite dodge side to side, keeping the horde in front of me, and light attack spamming with a push here or there

[crude cape]

ya thats how i feel, the 2nd damage blessing is superfluous and deflector letting you block chip dmg is overall more useful/more utility

[weary palm]

i feel this is the case with anything that can roll slaughterer

busted ass trait

[south zephyr]

tfw you're rocking it, killing shit left and right, then out of nowhere a poxwalker slaps you in the ass and you lose half your health

just psyker things

[crude cape]

why does it feel like i can 1-shot mutants with the deimos poke EVERY TIME, even with 0 stacks, in the meat grinder

but in-match its not nearly as reliable

is there some dmg boost im getting in meat grinder?r

[hollow current]

easier to hit their head when they're not moving

[crude cape]

or does it always do enough dmg, im just missing the crit in-match?

i thought it didn't do enough dmg to 1 tap them tho

without stacks, and possibly unstable power

[hollow current]

it doesn't but if you got unstable power and one of the talents it can iirc

[crude cape]

i dont, and 0 stacks

and im rocking it for 4k to the head in the meat grinder

not sure why

[hollow current]

crits, slaughter or uncanny maybe

[crude cape]

ah maybe it was slaughterer

adding that much dmg

3099 without

but even 3 stacks of slaughter lets it proc, ok cool

i wish slaughterer buff lasted a LITTLE longer

its just short enough i could probably never use it to 1 shot a muty, it would fall off as I line up the headshot

[hollow current]

I wish blood thirsty was still five seconds of crits https://media.tenor.com/Ti0M0Ez8CEsAAAAC/jizz-in-my-pants-andy.gif

[crude cape]

ya...same

not really sure why they even nerfed it

i wasn't playing when they did. I stopped a couple weeks after launch, came back when the new weapons introduced

[hollow current]

I would have been absolutely nasty on the illi with the no sticking.

[crude cape]

ah ya true

[spice veldt]

bloodthirsty obscurus was my main weapon up until the patch

was very sad

but I got the illisi so I no longer care about the obscurus

[hollow current]

I got a few days with blood thirsty on the obsc before the patch and it was amazing.

[crude cape]

obscurus was cool but early on i found it a bit akward and ended up liking the dueling swords

i just wish the dueling swords had more reason to be used

their special ability is useless, and they're overshadowed by the force swords

and they're not on any other class...

why do they exist lol

[hollow current]

🤷‍♂️

[crude cape]

i mean im glad they do, we just need a melee psker "rogue" class or something that makes use of them like someone mentioned before

[fierce sinew]

before deimos they were the best dedicated mobility + maniac killing tool

[crude cape]

ya, they were my favorite on launch and leveling

[fierce sinew]

they just got giga powercrept by the new swords (along with basically every non antax melee)

[crude cape]

but once i broke into tier 5 and put better builds together, especially coming back post deimos/illy

felt like no reason to even equip a rapier

[hollow current]

I loved the Mac V until the Deimos just does everything it does but better. Asides from a bit of dodge distance. But infinite dodges easily makes up for it.

[crude cape]

ive literally never used an axe in this game, especially not on psyker. Whats the deal with the antax, whys it good?

[hollow current]

Not to mention Slaughterer is available on all the force swords but not the duelling swords.

[fierce sinew]

it's numerically overtuned in general, but it has a much better than average push attack that psyker can spam better than other classes because of our smaller stamina regen delay

has access to multiple power buff blessings etc

[karmic delta]

Mainly the Antax V with the Brutal Momentum + + Power blessings

Decimator or Headtaker

[fierce sinew]

limbsplitter+headtaker with cancels is probably still the best "all-rounder" weapon

[karmic delta]

You get the anti armor capabilities + crowd control when you start hitting weak spots

[fierce sinew]

there's just not much need for a do everything melee weapon

anymore

[karmic delta]

True.

[fierce sinew]

the change a little while back to stop blessings from being active if the weapon isn't in your hand also indirectly buffed slaughterer even further ahead of most power blessings

since you can still both proc it with DoTs and use it to buff them

and that's not as feasible with headtaker etc anymore

[weary palm]

coming to the conclusion i'm not a fan of asc blaze even on purgatus

and/or i've been getting extremely unlucky with its charge gain

[fierce sinew]

are you playing low intensity?

[weary palm]

nope

reg

[fierce sinew]

it definitely needs high enough density to really shine, but I get all 6 charges back almost instantly in the majority of horde situations

also see above about the interaction with slaughterer, do that too if you aren't already

[weary palm]

ye i noticed that playing

funny interaction

[fierce sinew]

depending on your sword perks your AB can kill the frailer elites (gunners etc), snipers and so on that way

with no additional damage

slaughterer busted

as usual

[weary palm]

confident it's getting a nerf

it's a crazy outlier

50% power at tier 1 lol

[fierce sinew]

it's been this way the whole time and we've had lots of blessing changes

they either don't know or don't care

or both

[elfin geode]

What perks should I be hunting for Void?

[crude cape]

only use it on big groups, make sure you flamer into them after.
or use it to put stacks on critical targets + knock down groups of ranged enemies. You usually will only earn back 0-2 stacks this way and have to restack, but its often worth it situationally

[raw otter]

nerfing things is not always necessary, especially when it is just a pve
what they could do is buffing enemies instead 🤔

[crude cape]

this also works with perks, having + 25% dmg on enemy type for the dots on equippted weapon when you ult and trigger AB.
question tho, does this dmg boost stay even once slaughter wears off, or if you swap weapons once the dot is applied?
Does the dot "keep" the slaughterer stats throughout its whole duration, or do the ticks only benefit while slaughterer is actively up?

[fierce sinew]

you need to have the weapon in hand

[crude cape]

when you press F right

[fierce sinew]

no

[crude cape]

but if you swap off after applying the dot to everything does it stay

[fierce sinew]

ever tick of soulblaze is looking at your active buffs at that time

[crude cape]

ok gotcha

thats what i wanted to know

[fierce sinew]

you can make it go up and down and up again switching weapons, procing blessings, etc

[crude cape]

so you gotta stay in melee and keep swinging, to have slaughterer really benefit, bc it will only effect 1-2 ticks otherwise

[fierce sinew]

I mean in practice everything you shouted is going to die in a few seconds, and then you go back to flaming

but yeah

[south zephyr]

wait, does Uncanny 4 mean that you can get 100% rending on FS?

[shy prairie]

[south zephyr]

slaughterer and Uncanny sounds busted

nothing stops the blender

[shy prairie]

the heresy blenderizer

[south zephyr]

guess I'm farming for uncanny next

now that I have BA/BF4 on shredder

[inland sand]

i have uncanny, its good on Deimos and mid on the others

they really need to just, redo the entire blessing, perk, curio, enemy armour type, weapon dmg vs...

just all of it really

it's such a state. The way weapons and enemies and crafting works in darktide is just pure sadness

[austere estuary]

Blend blend blend

[spice veldt]

just had my mission aborted right near the end

great

[olive ember]

oof

whats the cause of that anyways

[spice veldt]

god knows

we were right at the elevator leading into the boss fight for chasm terminus

[olive ember]

rip

[split oxide]

It's impossible to play Purg with Trauma around.

[olive ember]

ehhhh?

[split oxide]

Everytime I try to line up a shot.
Trauma scatters my burn targets.

[olive ember]

I mean

idk how precise your aim has to be with a flamerthrower ngl

just spray in an arc in front of you

[calm raven]

Does the surge blessing work on trauma's secondary attack?

[cold geode]

no

the only secondary it works on is void, and even then it sucks

[calm raven]

Sigh

Thanks for lettin me know

[late yew]

With which build and staves Wrack and Ruin works the best?

That's some nice emp gift

[flat shadow]

Uncanny strike activates on your special

it's really really good on the Obscurus for some huge numbers on the final blast

[cold geode]

the rending doesn't affect the amount of damage done by the special itself. but it will affect subsequent (non-special) attacks while the rending is active on the target.

it will stack up 4x stacks on the obscurus special and the deimos special

[spice veldt]

it won't affect the obscurus/deimos special's damage because they already deal >100% damage to all armour types

[flat shadow]

Understandable

do you guys also pour all of your feats into anti-elite

[spice veldt]

I run psykinetic's aura and kinetic barrage if that counts

I don't specifically build to be anti-elite besides picking the trauma staff

[rain birch]

What are the best blessings for the purgatus staff?

[cold geode]

warp nexus / warp flurry

[rain birch]

And I’m assuming anti elite for perks?

[cold geode]

flak/crit/unarmored depending

[rain birch]

Copy thx again

Got lucky lol good place holder for now ig

[flat shadow]

What is the main draw for the Obscurus

Just good single target damage?

[rain birch]

Is 10% ranged damage to specialists any good

[flat shadow]

Generally letting specialists get close is a terrible idea so

Yeah it is

[full bane]

It’s the in between of the illisi and Deimos

[rain birch]

Ok lol ty

[flat shadow]

standing next to a gunner reaper flamer suicider etc is a bad idea

[spice veldt]

none in particularly currently

[flat shadow]

I like the Obscurus special

Illisi one is very nice

but I like shanking someone then exploding their head

[rain birch]

I like illisi personally feels like power sword pre nerf

[spice veldt]

better to be right near gunners, reapers, and flamers to whack their asses

reapers having flak on their body for the obscurus/deimos special or getting their unyielding parts whacked by the illisi's special

[rain birch]

These have to be the 2 worst blessings I could of gotten for it

Riposte is meh ig

[spice veldt]

flamers having their dinky 3x melee damage taken asses

[flat shadow]

I prefer exploding them before they get close

Any of them

Idk

I use the thing where people randomly get brain burst when I hit them

[spice veldt]

I throw a staff bolt to stagger them so that they don't shoot and then just whack them

[flat shadow]

and cerebral laceration

[rain birch]

Is show stopper a thing on purgatus or only a preacher thing

[spice veldt]

preacher only

[rain birch]

Ah rip would be cool

[cold geode]

to bad it barely works on the zealot

[rain birch]

Oh really shoot

Did not know that

Just sounds cool

[cold geode]

yea, doesnt proc enough, doesnt do enough damage when it does

[rain birch]

Ah shoot

[flat shadow]

Which psyker has the best evil laugh when they hit f

I think it has to be the male seer

The one who talks to his beloved

[late yew]

With which build and staves Wrack and Ruin works the best?

[flat shadow]

I would say the fire staff but

really anything

[spice veldt]

the staffs without infinite cleave probably

so void and surge

[flat shadow]

well ascendant blaze would be awesome with it

[late yew]

I just tried it with surge

this build

it was pretty fun

[late yew]

no

[flat shadow]

wait wrack and ruin is the one that inflicts soul blaze right

I forgot

Rip

ascendant blaze with wrack and ruin in a crowd can be pretty excellent

Generally it's not just you firing into a crowd

[late yew]

this build with surge

going to try it next time with void

i think it should really work well with void

[late yew]

no

wrack and ruin with AB just does not work

basically it is a BB build

[split oxide]

1. WarpUnleased relies on targets being closed together for the SoulBlaze to ignite neighbours.
2. Arc blasts are actually favored - but if there's GAP because theyre all scattered, it's wasted Peril.

[flat shadow]

I use brain burst a lot I suppose

[late yew]

So you bust a lot...

[olive ember]

uh warp unleashed is a damage boost, are you talking about wildire?

[split oxide]

my bad - yes wildfire

[spice veldt]

if the trauma user isn't one-shotting trash, that's more of the trauma user's issue
you can also usually just wave your mouse around

even on CSGO sensitivity, it's good enough

[flat shadow]

Always busting on them

And man I totally mixed up all the feat names

[spice veldt]

or just distance yourself away since the enemies are presumably scattered

[olive ember]

I mean, wildfire isn't good with the purge staff imo

[late yew]

which is that

[olive ember]

its only spreads to enemies with <4 stacks

[late yew]

you realise different people have different sens

[olive ember]

and the purge easily burns the horde for more than 4 stacks

[spice veldt]

I'm using it as colloquial for "low sensitivity"

I'm not referring to a specific angle/cm

[olive ember]

More specifically its not good for applying to enemies that you can hit with the purge

its more for the enemies behind the enemies you can hit with purge

for extra stack gen etc.

[formal ridge]

mission board garbage rn

[spice veldt]

and with purg, you've presumably already applied 4 stacks to the enemies that you can reach

i literally can not play with the 3001 errors

[split oxide]

You maximize burn but packing them close.. and arc-blast them.
Like in the smelter last-stand or Dreyko last-stand:

have an arc.. then some trauma nutojob just blows a hole that was connecting the mob.
My burn just hits a fraction of what it should get

[spice veldt]

i mean at that point they're just having fun

it's just trash that's coming during the final waves except for smelter where 3 elites spawn

for dreyko it's all trash unless the ranged patrol spawns coincide with the finale

[split oxide]

What's the point of 'blocking' a chokepoint.. when a blast sends it behind you. eg:

• corridors.
• spawn doors - esp in hourglass

[spice veldt]

that's an issue with the trauma user

[split oxide]

It's an issue build into all trauma mechanics.
90% of all trauma use is:

• capitalizing on (and breaking) team orchestrated chokepoints
• "that glowing mass of light being torched over there"

Chasing around shotgunners with your targetter is harder when your eye just gravitates to a glowing ball in the corner of your vision.

[spice veldt]

I thought you were talking about spreading elites around at first

I mean I don't use my trauma staff for the horde at all

I just run away from hordes and let the Purg user deal with it

and just push through the map while they tick down the horde

and for defense sections, I have the illisi

[split oxide]

"Only use on elites"
When all you have is a hammer.. everything looks like a nail.

One minute your're trying to keep the enemy in front of you... then * bang * they're all around you.

I complain about BullRushes.. but at least they have a cooldown.
But unlike CamoExpert. I can see they're carrying one so I can leave the mission in the at the lobby stage or when they join... or switch to surge or different player.

[south zephyr]

so it doesn't apply to normal hits?

[cold geode]

it does, but your special with deimos/obs hits 4x during its attack sequence

[south zephyr]

ah, using illisi though

so if anything, big cleave

[cold geode]

yea

[south zephyr]

Hmm, left or right?

[split oxide]

easily the one on the left

[spice veldt]

illisi's special deals 75% to carapace so it'll be useful there

[formal ridge]

I STG it's not entirely random

bought all those at the same time

or the mode (most common base modifier) is around 340/339

makes sense if the spread is 300 to 380 I guess

just got a 301 so that means Im due a 379 right 😉

[shadow wigeon]

That is how luck works

That or someone out there just got a 379 on their first roll

And you made their day

[nimble burrow]

Simply this. Tell em to aim the blast in front of the hoard to stagger em back, it’s like a ranged push you can spam forever.

Just cuz it does damage doesnt mean you need to maximize the aoe on the center of the hoards!

[vestal rose]

I hated trauma till i picked up trauma again, and realised its mostly just that a lot of psykers are dumb as rocks

[late yew]

then might as well switch to another staff, no?

[shadow wigeon]

This is true for surge although it’s a bit more intuitive how to use it properly.

[supple skiff]

I slept on trauma, been using it with a demios and Its hard to switch back to anything else now that I have the hang of using it

aiming it is still arse though, especially on stairs and gantries and the like

[nimble burrow]

Yes, psykers who cant manage a hoard should just purge.

I like trauma over purge because it works on everything and has a good m1 for shooters that outrange the secondary.

[south zephyr]

uncanny 3 will have to due for now until the slot machine gives me 4, might even get slaughterer 4 in the process too

hopefully uncanny makes a noticeable difference when killing crushers and maulers

so far this set up has been doing pretty good as far as illisi/shredder gun psyker goes

did a Hi5 STG and felt like F was always up

with Flayer and regular BB'ing, hardly miss communion

[supple skiff]

psy aura and KB, a cultured individual I see

dropping BB after BB into a pack of charging ragers you just sat down with the alt, only to get it back right after is chef's kiss

had to drop aura for communion with my trauma build though, need the charges for warp reduction

[ornate hamlet]

That feat that reduces warp generation per charge you have?

[south zephyr]

all this peril edging has my fingers starting to ache

[spice veldt]

trauma's still useful for packs of melee elites and has the ability to make space against hordes if you ever need to
just because you restrict yourself from using a staff in one scenario does not make it useless

[obtuse moth]

its not rocket science. either aim it far enough away that the staff doesnt send adds through the players, and if theyre getting through your frontline aim it close enough that it sends them away.

[wanton sandal]

true af

the stagger it applies to any specials/elites/flak in the horde is pretty useful

and it deletes the shitties

any that happen to fly past your line, a bolt or a quick melee strike is enough to clean it up

[obtuse moth]

its legit the best cc staff. you can permanently make a safe space around you and your team or perma stagger lock huge groups of elites or specials with no target cap, and it works through walls and around corners

[jade geode]

Since everyone here is already talking about the Trauma, I figure it's a good time to ask the question I came here to ask anyway XD

How do you Trauma users feel about Rending Shockwave? Good? Bad?